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PsyKr
04-20-2005, 08:57 AM
<DIV>Apologies did not see anything related to this article I stumbled across.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anythoughts??</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive.vm?id=457&section=News&month=current" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive.vm?id=457&section=News&month=current</A></DIV><p>Message Edited by PsyKrow on <span class=date_text>04-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:00 PM</span>

Dimgroth
04-20-2005, 09:34 AM
at first I thought it was a joke and then I saw it was official...alls I can say is, way to sink lower SOE. *golf clap* Im going to check out WoW for a bit, this months theres been a whole lot of stuff that annoys me from SOE, hopefully their first expansion will be enough to bring back hope ive lost along the way of eq2, but locking of burning issues, ignoring of players and lack of art in general is giving me a bad taste in my mouth, this is the preverbial straw that broke the camels back for me.  Loosing faith SOE, I hope your greed and hypocracy is worth it. <div></div>

Nitespi
04-20-2005, 09:34 AM
<P>Well, there's really nothing Sony can do wrong <U>ON A NEW SERVER</U>.  If I want to pay $100 for a rock it hurts no one else.  If this make people happy, & they wish to join such a server I'm all for it.  No adverse reprecussions for me,  Ill never have to deal with it.  However, two things scare me.</P> <P>-- One: the fact that such a long held "NO!", is now, with very little transistion becoming a "No Problem".  While I totally understand Sony's desire to make their product accessable to more people, & that the only way to do that is to make it more enjoyable to a wider audience, it still worries me that they seem to increasingly have a shortsighted, "whatever makes them happy NOW" attitude.  With less & less regard for the long term effects on the game.</P> <P>Whereas the "old" Sony seemed to say, the game is more important than the players; the "new" Sony seems to be saying the players are more important than the game.  As with most things in life, the truth lies somewhere in the middle, of these two extremes.</P> <P> </P> <P>--Two: John says, "If the percentage of players who want this service is high enough, we might consider converting some existing servers to "Exchange enabled." </P> <P>In my opinon this is completely unacceptable!!  What's the percentage?  If 75% of my server wishes this feature, why should I be forced to move?  Far better to merge two servers, if that many people leave, than to scatter a community to the winds, some going to one server, some to another.  PLEASE never do this!</P> <P> </P> <P>In closing, if we are going to do this, & I guess the decision is already made, I hope they never change their stance on allowing these people back on the non-exchange enabled servers.</P>

eqfo
04-20-2005, 09:44 AM
<P>Yeah the thing is posted up above. Funny how it got locked already.</P> <P>When my grandson was young and still playing consol games, I tried to convince him the cheat codes you could get online or in magazines, were, well, cheating. That you got far more fun and satisfaction from beating the game on the up and up. Took time and his growing older before it sunk in. Wonder if SOE will be selling cheat codes too? Might as well, give them something the ebayers can't get from the web, not only match the botters, beat em at their own game.</P> <P>What I fail to understand about all this is, just how this stops the nonesense on the servers that aren't exchanged? They think they have economy problems now, wait till you see the mess this makes, they couldn't pay me money to play on such a thing.</P> <P>This is sad, extremly sad, tides of things to come, not a good way for them to be thinking at all.  Can only hope someone else will take up the pure form of EQ and get it into another game.</P>

Dimgroth
04-20-2005, 10:24 AM
its kind of like Lex Luthor finally showed the darkness within, we all saw signs of it, knew it was probably coming, but then it hits you BAM! full force in your face show of evil.   I mourn the fall of SOE's principles and decency. <div></div>

Ethi
04-20-2005, 10:57 AM
<P>Personally I think that it's great.  The only reason farmers exist is because people want to buy the stuff they farm.  If you setup servers specifically to support this type of behavior then hopefully all the twinks and farmers will go to those servers.  People on non-exchange servers won't be interested in buying stuff so farmers will find no market for their stuff and move to servers where their customers are.  </P> <P>So people that want to buy stuff are happy, farmers are happy, and I'm happy!!</P> <P> </P>

Dazzler-
04-20-2005, 11:09 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ethion wrote:<BR> <P>Personally I think that it's great.  The only reason farmers exist is because people want to buy the stuff they farm.  If you setup servers specifically to support this type of behavior then hopefully all the twinks and farmers will go to those servers.  People on non-exchange servers won't be interested in buying stuff so farmers will find no market for their stuff and move to servers where their customers are.  </P> <P>So people that want to buy stuff are happy, farmers are happy, and I'm happy!!</P> <P> </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>What you fail to realize is that the biggest most profit gulping people who do this will not be moving to the exchange servers. Why in the world would they? Essentially the exchange servers will be mom and pop outfits just making a few dimes and supplementing SOE...where as the bigdogs will be on the normal servers, increasingly causing discontent. No matter what Smed says, they cant catch them all. If there is a profit to be made, the reward far outweighs the little risk.

Mat
04-20-2005, 11:32 AM
<P>I feel terribly sad about this. No matter if it is only available on one server, the fact is that they a huge company like SOE, fighthing for the right of legal players for 6 years, would collapse, surrender to those so-called "secondary business."</P> <P>Well I guess this is what we call "if you can't beat em, join em." Good for you SOE, you saved a lot of "work" investigating and taking actions, on the other hand you lost a bunch of  your loyal players. This is a betrayal to all of us. I will still play your games, but I will never include SOE as my respectible gameing company. Period. </P> <P>*$ > respect. This is what SOE has chosen.*</P> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Mooseno
04-20-2005, 04:42 PM
<DIV><FONT size=4>The following is my opinion on this topic.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>I realize that many of the players do not see the big picture and many of those that do think this will NOT affect them or their </FONT><FONT size=4>server.  WRONG!!!<BR> <BR>1. The sellers of coin and also of most items use Bot's (a third party program that allows a char to run while the player is on </FONT><FONT size=4>another account or even when player is offline) we all hate the BOT'ers, but this only encourages them to not only continue but </FONT><FONT size=4>also to increase in numbers on ALL servers.<BR> <BR>2. The sellers of coin and or items will still make more money by selling the same way they do now, (at web sites and E-bay),  </FONT><FONT size=4>which makes me think they will increase in numbers now, and even if some start char's on these new selling allowed servers they </FONT><FONT size=4>will also start char's on all servers to create even more of a personal profit.<BR> <BR>3. I might be wrong and apparently SOE seems to think I am, but I think/view EQ 2 as a way to kill some time while haveing some </FONT><FONT size=4>fun, aka a GAME not a business.  We the players were told many things at the begining and so far it looks like we were lied to </FONT><FONT size=4>about PvP and now buying and selling coin and items for real money.<BR> <BR>It's a good thing that SOE does not run a country because the Terrorists would have a field day there and so would the everyday </FONT><FONT size=4>criminals. Burglary would become legal as would Murder etc etc this might seem like an exageration but look at their standing on </FONT><FONT size=4>what they (SOE) used to call illegal activity.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>This plus the fact that SOE at first was promising us (the players) that PvP would never be implemented here in EQ 2, just goes to </FONT><FONT size=4>show that SOE cares very little for anything but the almighty money.  To heck with Morality, Honor, and Honesty.  Is what I hear </FONT><FONT size=4>SOE telling me now.<BR> <BR>So I will not be continue'ing to play EQ 2 as of yesterday when I first read the news on this topic I cancelled both of my accounts </FONT><FONT size=4>and I also uninstalled EQ 2 from my PC.  Now I do not quit any game easily I play EQ (the first one) for 5-6 years then I tried FFXI </FONT><FONT size=4>for a year, before I moved here to EQ 2 I would have started here much sooner but like many I had to get a better PC or do major </FONT><FONT size=4>upgrade to be able to run this game. <BR> <BR>This game I think is the very best one available but I can not continue playing it with these last to major let downs by SOE.  </FONT><FONT size=4>Because these last two events will cause long term side affects to the entire game and also to each and every server.<BR> <BR>IF and this is a very big IF, SOE gets it's act together in the future and can show all that they mean and stick to what they say, I </FONT><FONT size=4>MIGHT return, but at this point I do not see that happening any time soon.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Moosenose on <SPAN class=date_text>04-26-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:08 AM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Moosenose on <SPAN class=date_text>04-29-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:41 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Moosenose on <span class=date_text>05-29-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:12 PM</span>

Vlawde_Mcde
04-20-2005, 04:46 PM
<DIV>Vote with your strongest voice....your wallet. Cancel EQ2.   Maybe, just maybe, if enough people do this, Sony will reverse this terrible idea</DIV>

Ceryene
04-20-2005, 05:08 PM
<DIV>I went to reply and its already locked .. way to go Sony.. you gotta be nuts bowing down to these people who want to make money from virutal  items..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Its always been against your policy to do these kind of things .. now you want to support it .. well you got a big fat NO from me .. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The servers as it is are plauged with bots who completely farm everything be it from items to rare resouces ... giving the normal player hardly any chance of getting anything .. do the job your supposed to do and kick them and ban them.. we play for fun not to make money in real life .. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And it also seems that Ebon clusters have been nerfed as well .. but you always see the bots trying to sell them... even now we have been getting tells from them on Splitpaw server to buy their wares .. come on give us a break ...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>NO NO NO NO To this idiotic idea </DIV>

Nitespi
04-20-2005, 05:14 PM
<DIV><FONT size=3>__________________________________________________ _________________________________________________</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>I realize that many of the players do not see the big picture and of those that do think this will NOT affect them or their server.  WRONG!!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>__________________________________________________ _________________________________________________</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>I realize everyone's entitled to their opinon, but your WRONG!!!!  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>...or perhaps not.  Point is, it's just your opinon.  Please dont assume that because someone might not share your opinon, it must be wrong.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Personally, Id rather they hadnt done this as well, but Im not deaf to others opinons, assuming they just dont understand "the big picture".  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Vote with your strongest voice....your wallet. Cancel EQ2.   Maybe, just maybe, if enough people do this, Sony will reverse this terrible idea</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Uh...NO!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Still, very sage advice, if any feel that strongly about this.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Cherian
04-20-2005, 05:14 PM
<P><FONT face=Garamond size=5>The answer is no, an emphatic no.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=5>If my server goes to this, then they better transfer me to a server that does not, or I will go play WoW.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=5>I have always submitted that the honorable game play includes earning your stuff and never buying your way through anything. If someone had ebayed, it was always a no vote into getting into my guild, and it violates every principle I have known that is important to me with regards to mmorpg's.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=5></FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=Garamond color=#cc0033 size=7><STRONG>The answer is NOOOOO.</STRONG></FONT></P>

ArrA
04-20-2005, 05:29 PM
You truely are vultures SOE. Way to wreck a decent game.

The_Witchfind
04-20-2005, 05:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dazzler-01 wrote:<BR><BR>What you fail to realize is that the biggest most profit gulping people who do this will not be moving to the exchange servers. Why in the world would they? Essentially the exchange servers will be mom and pop outfits just making a few dimes and supplementing SOE...where as the bigdogs will be on the normal servers, increasingly causing discontent. No matter what Smed says, they cant catch them all. If there is a profit to be made, the reward far outweighs the little risk.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>You've hit the nail right on the head there.  I want to register my absolute disgust at the very concept.  It's disgraceful that SOE would even think about endorsing this kind of activity.  It's the absolute antithesis of what a roleplaying game should be - real world factors (other than the obvious player skill) influencing in-character development.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yesterday I felt pretty good about EverQuest II, and the idea that I was playing a deep and immersive roleplaying game.  Today I wish there was somewhere else to take my business.  Roll on D&D online!</DIV>

Hamad
04-20-2005, 06:07 PM
<DIV>This is so lame.  I cant believe Smed could actually shove this crap in our face and expect us to beleive this is gonna help reduce the issue of botters/farmers.   This is about making money for Sony period.   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This gives new meaning to "If we cant beat'em, join'em".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Disgusted!!!</DIV>

Tixie
04-20-2005, 06:22 PM
This is just an insult to the community of players that work hard to get their guilds and players advanced and someone comes along and buys their way in.  Never liked it and never will.  There goes the economy! /sigh

Avadale
04-20-2005, 06:30 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vlawde_Mcdeth wrote:<BR> <DIV>Vote with your strongest voice....your wallet. Cancel EQ2.   Maybe, just maybe, if enough people do this, Sony will reverse this terrible idea</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Done. Unfortunately the accounts are paid up until July. </P> <P>/Sighs. The worst part is theres a large base of players that either dont care or actively pursue this. </P> <P>Time to find a new mmorpg to call home. Heres to hoping Vanguard can bring back the magic of online roleplaying games!</P>

SheyvaRift
04-20-2005, 06:53 PM
<div></div><span><span><blockquote><hr>Ethion wrote:<p>Personally I think that it's great.  The only reason farmers exist is because people want to buy the stuff they farm.  If you setup servers specifically to support this type of behavior then hopefully all the twinks and farmers will go to those servers.  People on non-exchange servers won't be interested in buying stuff so farmers will find no market for their stuff and move to servers where their customers are.  </p> <p>So people that want to buy stuff are happy, farmers are happy, and I'm happy!!</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote></span>This all sounds wonderful at first glance, but I am guessing it's not going to go down like that. Why do people buy plat and items? Really? Because they want to impress people, but do not necessarily have the time (or desire) to earn it for themselves. So, you create a server where Exchange is enabled, and the assumption will be that pretty much everyone who is "uber" bought his way to get there, since every single person chooses to be on an Exchange server, right? So who would be impressed to see a level 50 decked out with everything, riding a flying carpet, with a master pet trailing behind them? No one, because everyone else on the server is doing the same thing.  There will be a huge stigma to being on an Exchange server, with the rep being basically "too lame to play the game without a credit card". And who wants to be considered lame, and pay to do it? To get the ego boost a person like this craves, they have to have the uber character on a "normal" server, where the expectation is that a level 50 earned his way to get there. So plat and items on a non-Exchange server will become EVEN MORE VALUABLE on the black market.  At some point, Sony will want to get their hands on that cash too, with the inevitable outcome being that all servers will eventually be forced to be Exchange servers. Quick edit, this just occured to me. The way they can hose the bot farmers is if they make plat and items non-transferable between players completely....without going through the exchange system. Make all items no-trade, and disable the direct transfer of plat between players, forcing them to do "bank transfers" or someting like that. *sigh* Shey </span><span></span><div></div><p>Message Edited by SheyvaRift on <span class=date_text>04-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:03 AM</span>

SheyvaRift
04-20-2005, 06:54 PM
<span><blockquote><hr>Dimgroth wrote:at first I thought it was a joke and then I saw it was official...alls I can say is, way to sink lower SOE. *golf clap* Im going to check out WoW for a bit, this months theres been a whole lot of stuff that annoys me from SOE, hopefully their first expansion will be enough to bring back hope ive lost along the way of eq2, but locking of burning issues, ignoring of players and lack of art in general is giving me a bad taste in my mouth, this is the preverbial straw that broke the camels back for me.  Loosing faith SOE, I hope your greed and hypocracy is worth it. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Well, one reason to not address the lack of art is to make you buy an expansion pack, right? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Shey</span><div></div>

lyndonuk
04-20-2005, 07:02 PM
<P>I like how Smedley states "It's obvious that a large percentage of our players either don't mind this activity or actively participate in it"... what a load of rubbish, if so where are all these people now, all I see is people unhappy at this anouncement.</P> <P>The economy in EQ2 is already in a state of crisis, giving people the ease to buy plat will do nothing than to push prices up further, and mean that normal players wont be able to afford things.</P> <P>This is the most stupid idea by SoE ever!</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

Ximoxion
04-20-2005, 07:20 PM
<P>Don't forget this is a business.  It has become 100% apparent that the cost of fighting this activity has eclipsed the cost of joining in on it and profiting from it.  Let's take a very simple look:</P> <P>As a single customer, your happiness is 100% at the losing end to any company turning a profit.  If they lose you and still turn a nice profit, they could care less.  Therefore, Sony feels that they can make a larger profit by attracting this activity and market versus halting it.  i.e. Sony feels the profit margin by doing things this way will exceed the profit margins by keeping players that do not want an exchange, and actively removing farmers and campers.  They feel that they have creatively come up with a soultion.</P> <P>Keep in mind that this is nothing but an experiement by Sony and this is a great opportunity to let them fail horribly.  The experiemnt control is you.  </P> <P>Look at the particulars:</P> <P>Sony is betting on 20% of an 800 million dollar per year business by making it accepted.  Well, most of the game economy exists because this exchange and farming crap does not exist.  When the exchange and stuff exists, all of a sudden having 100 plat whereas the rest of the sever only has 1 plat will not exist any more.  Half the alure of buing plat on Ebay was the fact that you gained leverage ina world where this was not common.  All of a sudden you enter the fact that everyone can buy 100 plat and the economy goes into a tailsopin.  Not to mention that fact that having 100 plat now makes you average and not exceptional.  Therefore, how can an excahge exist?  It can't unless you allow it on all servers.  But you can't</P> <P>The cat will be out of the bag though.  People on non-ehcnage servers will quit cause the exchange servers will excell at everything..  ..for a profit of course.  The spoilers will be out and there will be no reason to try.  </P> <P>Why go into an Epic battle if I can just buy the reward for profit.</P> <P>Sony claims they will not sell the items themselves.  Bull pucky.  Yeay, right.  You are option a 100% about face in your gaming poilcy that makes those with real life cash kings of the game.  In reality Sony could care less who is the king.  They just want the money.  They'll be selling you level 50 before you know it..</P> <P> </P> <P>I am interested to see how bad this will get.  This is about at bad of a decision as they can make.</P> <P>Oh yes..  ..one other things Sony...  ..you plan on having a propriatory aution site for this.  That will be legally challenged.  I mean, imaging if Coke opened up a store and claimed that only they could sell and re-sell their Product there.  This is going to become an interesting legal battle in the end as well.  Oh yes..  .how much interest does Sony have in an exchange if all of a sudden they no longer have a monopoly in selling the items there.   I bet it is called cheating at that point again...</P>

Dimgroth
04-20-2005, 07:28 PM
the fact that they cracked down on ebay, and other meathods of cheating so hard in the past and now they condone it..as long as theyre getting profit from it, thats the lowest of the low.

Xy
04-20-2005, 07:33 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nitespice wrote:<BR> <P>Well, there's really nothing Sony can do wrong <U>ON A NEW SERVER</U>.  If I want to pay $100 for a rock it hurts no one else.  If this make people happy, & they wish to join such a server I'm all for it.  No adverse reprecussions for me,  Ill never have to deal with it.  However, two things scare me.</P> <P>-- One: the fact that such a long held "NO!", is now, with very little transistion becoming a "No Problem".  While I totally understand Sony's desire to make their product accessable to more people, & that the only way to do that is to make it more enjoyable to a wider audience, it still worries me that they seem to increasingly have a shortsighted, "whatever makes them happy NOW" attitude.  With less & less regard for the long term effects on the game.</P> <P>Whereas the "old" Sony seemed to say, the game is more important than the players; the "new" Sony seems to be saying the players are more important than the game.  As with most things in life, the truth lies somewhere in the middle, of these two extremes.</P> <P> </P> <P>--Two: John says, "If the percentage of players who want this service is high enough, we might consider converting some existing servers to "Exchange enabled." </P> <P>In my opinon this is completely unacceptable!!  What's the percentage?  If 75% of my server wishes this feature, why should I be forced to move?  Far better to merge two servers, if that many people leave, than to scatter a community to the winds, some going to one server, some to another.  PLEASE never do this!</P> <P> </P> <P>In closing, if we are going to do this, & I guess the decision is already made, I hope they never change their stance on allowing these people back on the non-exchange enabled servers.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>It hurts the reputation of SOE.They are making themselves seem so desperate for customers and money,that I almost feel embarassed for them.</P> <P>The advertisements when you start the game,the whole /pizza hut thing,the pay for each new zone we come up with,and now this.</P> <P>I will bet dollars to dounuts that SOE will be putting equipment up for sale that was obtained by GMs and employees of SOE as a way of making profits.</P> <P>EVEN if they come out and say they aren't,there's no way in hell someone is going to believe ANYONE is that honest.</P> <P> </P> <P>Their best bet is to stick to their first standing and disallow any and all sale of virtual property.This makes them looks SOOO dishonest.</P> <P><BR> </P> <p>Message Edited by Xyln on <span class=date_text>04-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:35 AM</span>

Lodak
04-20-2005, 07:34 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> eqfool wrote:<BR> <P>Yeah the thing is posted up above. Funny how it got locked already.</P> <P>When my grandson was young and still playing consol games, I tried to convince him the cheat codes you could get online or in magazines, were, well, cheating. That you got far more fun and satisfaction from beating the game on the up and up. Took time and his growing older before it sunk in. Wonder if SOE will be selling cheat codes too? Might as well, give them something the ebayers can't get from the web, not only match the botters, beat em at their own game.</P> <P>What I fail to understand about all this is, just how this stops the nonesense on the servers that aren't exchanged? They think they have economy problems now, wait till you see the mess this makes, they couldn't pay me money to play on such a thing.</P> <P>This is sad, extremly sad, tides of things to come, not a good way for them to be thinking at all.  Can only hope someone else will take up the pure form of EQ and get it into another game.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I completely agree. I'm having trouble articulating my thoughts on the subject, I'm so shocked. It is just such a monumental sell-out on SoE's part. I could sort of understand if they implemented this in EQLive, as its economy and player base is already suffering from tremendous imbalances due directly to mudflation, but EQ2 is still in its infancy, for crying out loud. We still have a *long* way to go before a new player will feel at a disadvantage unless they buy some plat to help put them on a level playing field with other players of similar level.</P> <P>One thing to remember here is that SoE is not only condoning the sale of items and plat, they are also giving up on the effort to curb it from outside entities.</P>

Ximoxion
04-20-2005, 07:36 PM
<P>Also...</P> <P> </P> <P>In the past, those with the most free time were able to advance the fastest.  It was the worse part of making an online game like this as equal as possible.  The average person didn't have all day and all night to play.  Only the wealthy and young did.  This is hardly the average person.  So, those with un-Godly amounts of time were at an advantage.  </P> <P>Enter farming:  Those with time could convert time to real life cash by farming with their extra time and selling the items in real life to other players with less time.  This ruined game economies and made the still largest demographic in the game:  The average player and human being a little ticked off.  I mean, this guy who has more time the average is selling items and virtual cash to someone who also is a little different the the average human:  Someone with un-Godly amounts of cash to offset the lack of time.  GREAT!  Now the only people at a distinct disadvantage was the average player.  They haden't the time or the money.  So Sony fought for us.  You know..  ..the average guy. </P> <P>Well, the way I see it is simple.  Us average people just weren't paying the bills.  I mean, the number specified was $800 million per year, and 20% was EQ related.  For that cash that average player in EQ can, and has now been alienated by Sony itself.  It is a gamble,  Here is why:</P> <P>Average people don't have the time or the money to accell in this game.  by creating a Sony exchange Sony has openly admitted that the monthly fee collected from these people is not sufficient and Sony is willing to allow those with the available time or money to openly and routinely ruin the games advanvement for the average person.  This is okay and supported by Sony beacuase the cash flow from fewer people using an Excahnge to advance, versus more people using a monthly fee to advance has been seen by Sony to be more income then a large player base of happy Average customers.  If you can't easily see that then you obviously like the idea cause you think you can use it to your advantage.  If this is the case then:</P> <P>Do you have the most cash on the planet?  Do you think that you're going to be the only person with 100 plat on your excahnge server?  Do you think all items will be as cheap as they are on the server today in a years time?  Do you think that Sony is going to raise the price of every in game item to reflect the actual in game economies of the excahnge server in a way that will perpetuate the sale of items and cash so that players on thise server will more or less need to use the exchange to exist on these servers?  How does anyone on an excahnge server expect to feel that they earned anything when it simply comes down to who has more real life cash?</P> <P>How will having servers that so differ in economy and advanvement effect th EQ community as a whole?  Who will want to play when we know what is there cause the exchange servers found it and sold it 100 tie over by now?</P> <P>What happens when Sony finds they legally cannot hold a monoploy outside the EQ workd on auctions?  What happens when all auction sites are legally allowed to get into the game and non-ehcange servers by law become exchange servers against Sony's wishes?</P> <P>I believe that there was so much thought put into %20 of $800 million that losing 10% of $800 million in average players defecting to other games is preferrable to Sony.  </P> <P>Honestly, where do you all see this going?  </P>

Ethi
04-20-2005, 07:36 PM
<P>I still think this will be a good thing for non-exchange servers.  I don't think people by stuff simply to impress other people.  Many people buy stuff because they don't have a lot of time and don't want to work there way upto the end game.  They want a short cut and are willing to pay to get there.</P> <P>I guess as long as there are separate servers I also don't see any problems with sony selling or even just giving away the ability to be level 50?  I mean if some player wants to be level 50 so be it.</P> <P>As to prestige most stuff you buy isn't going to really get you the prestige.  I can only think of one thing and thats maybe a horse that you could actually buy.  Most high level stuff is not very farmable relative to the effort and I believe it's also no drop so it can't be sold.  So spending money doesn't make you better than other people.  It just gets you in the top tier faster with less work.</P> <P>If I were in this frame of mind where I wanted to get into the high level game quicker and didn't have the time to do it by leveling and had the money I'd certainly go to a secure exchange server.   Like they say it will be safe, and it will probably be cheaper.  And it will let me get into the high level game quickly.</P> <P>I think this will remove some of this traffic from normal servers, not all of it for sure but I'm certain it won't increase it.  Again I think a lot of people aren't looking at this right.  I'm also not sure I saw anywhere where SOE said they were charging for this service.  So I'm not sure how it's a money grab.  And even if they are as long as it removes some of the farming from my server I'll be thrilled.</P> <P>I think it is a worthwhile experiment which I just don't see much downside to.</P> <P> </P>

Lodak
04-20-2005, 07:50 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vlawde_Mcdeth wrote:<BR> <DIV>Vote with your strongest voice....your wallet. Cancel EQ2.   Maybe, just maybe, if enough people do this, Sony will reverse this terrible idea</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I fully intend to do just that. Any game that [Removed for Content] itself in this manner is no game for me. Consider my account cancelled.</P> <P>I never thought I'd see the day when there was more integrity coming from the WoW team than that of EQ2.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

Faeth
04-20-2005, 08:02 PM
<P>Things that are very wrong with this:</P> <P>#1 - SoE now loses all incentive to punish gold farmers.  They might punish botters - maybe.. if the feel like it - but the sweat shop farmer will thrive.  All of the good areas will be farmed 24-7 and the economoy will of course fall apart.</P> <P>#2 - They will lose all ability to restrict the sale of in game coin/items/characters once they modify their EULA to allow it.  All servers will be effected by this.. after all, the game has been out long enough that plenty of people who would like to buy/sell in game goods will not want to leave their server because of time investment or community ties.  By facilitating auctions of in game  currency, SoE has essentially made it impossible for 3rd party sites to sell anywhere <EM>besides </EM>the non-exchange servers.  Why would ebayers sell somewhere when there is already a more secure and effecient seller ruling the market?</P> <P>#3 - Taking an existing server and making it exchange enabled will shatter that server community.  Guilds will be forced to move/split and start anew somewhere else, and the places they move to will just have to deal with their arrival.  Whatever the 'dump-off' server(s) is/are, they stand a chance of having their economy thrown way our of whack.. not to mention the effect on the community.</P> <P>#4 - Global server statistics on eq2players will become meaningless as legit players compete with botters/farmers/buyers for top positions.  This seems to already be the case, but I can't see the change doing anything but aggrivating this problem.</P> <P>#5 - A fair amount of people may quit in protest.  This is another thing that will further skrew with both the community and the economy.  How is a guild that has half its membership quit over this change supposed to deal with this?  Is it their fault for joining a guild without forseeing that SoE will pull a complete 180 with the stance they've held on buying/selling for more than half a decade?</P> <P> </P> <P>The only way - and I mean the only way that might be marginally acceptable - for SoE to participate in the sale of in game items is to make a whole new game.  Call it EverExchange 2.  Make it with the same engine as eq2, but allow no connection what-so-ever between the two.</P> <P>I will hold out and see if this proposal actually goes 'live' before rallying to the cry of 'boycott'.</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text>*edited for grammar and language <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Faethor on <span class=date_text>04-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:06 PM</span>

Vecdid
04-20-2005, 08:10 PM
<P>Honestly I don't know what to say, I think this is just nuts, someone pinch me. I never thought I would see this day... </P> <P>I am very disappointed in you SoE...</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by VecdidII on <span class=date_text>04-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:12 AM</span>

FenaImayan
04-20-2005, 08:22 PM
<P>I can't even pretend to understand or predict how this will affect the future for players that just want to play and earn their rewards over purchasing them to be honest with you. This was so shocking that I don't have my thoughts fully wrapped around it, but one red  flag that made my stomach drop when reading the letter this morning was this statement:</P> <P></P> <HR> Based on the results of this poll, we will light up a certain amount of new servers that are specifically "Exchange enabled." <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>If </FONT><FONT color=#ff0033><FONT color=#ff0033>the</FONT> percentage of players who want this service is high enough, we might consider converting some existing servers to "Exchange enabled."</FONT> </STRONG>Players who want to play on those servers will have the opportunity to transfer over to the "Exchange enabled" servers for free on a one-time-only basis (but you can't ever move that character off these servers). We will, of course, let people who don't want to stay on an "Exchange enabled" server off with a free transfer.<BR> <HR> <DIV>I have seen alot of people comment: "as long as it is kept on another server and I dont have to be around it I don't mind"......well what if your server gets converted. I have 3 characters on Mistmoore, a guild, heck I just finally earned enough money to upgrade to a better house in SQ. Now "depending on how many people want to participate" they can just say "oh btw Mistmoore welcome to platinum farming hell." My only choice is to then uproot my characters, my guild, find a new server etc. etc. What about all the great people on my server that could just end up dispersing to a bunch of different servers and I we lost the opportunity to see and hunt with them. It is such a bummer to even think about.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If SOE is set on doing this then I am BEGGING don't take existing servers and convert - if you want to do it only add new servers that will be flagged as Exchange.  I can honestly say that if I have to try and uproot everything my friends and I have worked so hard for just to find a new home......well that home wont be with EQ2.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe this is the smallest worry to have regarding this letter, but right now in my little corner of the EQ2 world the thoughy of losing my home on Mistmoore to authorized and encouraged plat farmers just makes me so sad :smileysad:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>*Keeping hope that the right thing can still somehow be accomplished*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by FenaImayan on <span class=date_text>04-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:25 AM</span>

mong
04-20-2005, 08:35 PM
<P>Just shocked,can't believe there going to allow this.You would think that they would have brought this to the front page of the EQ2 launcher and asked for player opinion befor making a statement like this,   </P> <P>(First: It's obvious that a large percentage of our players either don't mind this activity or actively participate in it. We've done a fair amount of homework on this subject, and we believe this is a $200 million dollar market worldwide, and there are a huge number of our players taking part in the buying and selling of virtual goods. We have conducted polls, and the vast majority of players either doesn’t care about it or would like to participate in it. We believe that by allowing this to happen on select servers, we can have a solution for both the many players who want to participate in this and for those who don’t.) </P> <P>I wasn't asked my opinion about this. My answer is NOOOOO but i didn't get the chance to voice it, not even an opinon poll while loging in. This means if you do not read and post in all the forums then you are just left in the dark. </P> <P> </P> <P> How verry sad SOE<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR>   I guess that alot of people will be looking to make big decisions about staying.Not sure what i'll do but giving serious consideration to finding another game.<BR></P>

Glaxton
04-20-2005, 08:54 PM
<P>I want to voice my opinion, but this caught me so off guard that I don't know what to say.  Guess I'll go with the simple version.</P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000 size=7><STRONG><EM>NO TO THIS BS IDEA!!!</EM></STRONG></FONT></P> <P>So, anyone know any other good MMORPG's other than WoW?  Starting my search now.</P> <P> /cancel subscription</P> <p>Message Edited by Glaxton on <span class=date_text>04-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:55 AM</span>

Ceryene
04-20-2005, 08:58 PM
<DIV>There are 2 ways of looking at this .. i for one posted my reply as NO WAY... but with the ever increasing knowlege of making programmes to run for you to farm or craft for you .. in some ways Sony is in a no win situtation .. for as many as they ban, they just buy more accounts and start all over again .. with a bot team of 1 tank 1 healer and 4 nuking wizzys it doesnt take long to level.. and thats what we see on splitpaw .. these bot groups farming names ... from what i have been told ... macro gathering farmers .. dunno how its done but apparently it is .. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now in some ways Sony is saying ok we cant stop it .. BUT we can try and control it .. by doing it on specialized servers and they control how its run and how the items and coin prices are ... this in a way can also stop them as Sony will have the upper hand .. BUT on the other hand will the botters and farmers move to these servers .... or will they stay put and still keep agrivating the genuine player who play for fun... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So its something to think about .. i know i was horrified when i first saw this post .. you can read my reply.. but after sitting down and talking to my son in law .. who also plays eq ... we both agreed it has its advantages and disadvantges .. i know its made me stop and think ...</DIV>

Dimgroth
04-20-2005, 09:00 PM
I have a really bad feeling about this, its like the Dark ages have come to Eq2, soon well be logging on those of us that remain in Norrath, to find friends up and missing, having had enough, everyone walking about with a bitter attitude and still the farmers and bots and evils of the world will continue to thrive, because Soe gave them the thumbs up, its hard to prosecute these people because SOE themselves are doing it. I dont like it at all, it says alot about SOE.

The_Witchfind
04-20-2005, 09:05 PM
<P>Not so long ago, they made a big deal out of <EM>"Over 700 exploiters?  No thanks!"</EM></P> <P>No thanks, we'll just legitimise their activity instead.  Problem solved!  See, they're not exploiting any more!</P> <P>So perhaps various governments could make their crime statistics look good by legalising murder, [Removed for Content] and burglary.</P>

Cloudi
04-20-2005, 09:05 PM
<span class="postbody">Directly pasted from my reply in our guild board... ---- Very mixed feelings about that... If it means 1 or 2 new servers become exchange enabled and all the greedy ebay farmers "widdle" off there, then I'm all for it. What I won't accept is being on that server i.e. having my server converted. Contrary to popular opinion it's not the first mass multiplayer world to officially sanction RL trading - Linden Labs (Second Life) beat them to that. And it's sucked ever since... sure, it's grown to about 100x the size but only due to a) the publicity and b) lots of greedy people flocked in and started trying to make money. It's so full of money grabbing, backstabbing and general greed that the original purpose and "magic" of the world is long lost, and unless you keep to a small circle of friends you trust it's not a very pleasant community now, IMO. The other thing that happened is all the people who are rich IRL own entire 'sims' (zones) of land, have lots of power and basically run the world. Those who can't pour extreme amounts of money in, however, can do very little. I'd hate to see that happen to EQ2 - attracting greed and making it so only the RL rich can get anywhere. I for one play games to escape reality. Sure we already have a few people unofficially farming to sell on ebay, but that's nothing compared to what we will get when this goes live...</span><div></div>

redoule
04-20-2005, 09:31 PM
so apparently they haven't seen any data relating to how these activities destroy online games like Lineage II? I bet they are looking for a cut of the pie. Greedy [Removed for Content].

Glaxton
04-20-2005, 09:37 PM
<DIV>The only way this could possibly work is if ALL the bot/farmers move the these new exchange servers and completely abandon the normal servers.  This will never work and here is why I <STRONG><U>think</U></STRONG> that.</DIV> <DIV>1. Too much competition - Why go to an exchange server and compete with 20 to 30 others when you can compete with maybe a hand full on a normal server.</DIV> <DIV>2. Lack or Profit - Companies like IGE will have their customer base cut dramatically.  They will end up going from bots on all servers, in both market places down to maybe five servers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm sure there are more reasons I can think of but I'm too frustrated right now.  I think those two right there will get others thinking as to why this won't work and why creating these exchange servers will not change a single thing.</DIV>

Avadale
04-20-2005, 10:15 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> The_Witchfinder wrote:<BR> <P>Not so long ago, they made a big deal out of <EM>"Over 700 exploiters?  No thanks!"</EM></P> <P>No thanks, we'll just legitimise their activity instead.  Problem solved!  See, they're not exploiting any more!</P> <P>So perhaps various governments could make their crime statistics look good by legalising murder, [Removed for Content] and burglary.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>[Removed for Content] - good one.</P> <P>Man - what a kick in the groin for those that abide by the EULA and try to play the game as intended. Its bad enough this goes on behind SOE's back. Now they have SOE's blessing. Im so [Removed for Content] beyond words.</P> <P> </P>

mossi
04-20-2005, 10:46 PM
<DIV>A Horrible Idea - Sony must be really hard up for money...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>OOOHHH, look at my brand new Level 50 Warrior with the best</DIV> <DIV>armor and weapons with Master level abilities, on sale now for</DIV> <DIV>the LOW, LOW PRICE of $100 US + 20% commision to SONY.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Don't I feel special now...</DIV>

Ethi
04-20-2005, 11:36 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ceryene wrote:<BR> <DIV>There are 2 ways of looking at this .. i for one posted my reply as NO WAY... but with the ever increasing knowlege of making programmes to run for you to farm or craft for you .. in some ways Sony is in a no win situtation .. for as many as they ban, they just buy more accounts and start all over again .. with a bot team of 1 tank 1 healer and 4 nuking wizzys it doesnt take long to level.. and thats what we see on splitpaw .. these bot groups farming names ... from what i have been told ... macro gathering farmers .. dunno how its done but apparently it is .. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now in some ways Sony is saying ok we cant stop it .. BUT we can try and control it .. by doing it on specialized servers and they control how its run and how the items and coin prices are ... this in a way can also stop them as Sony will have the upper hand .. BUT on the other hand will the botters and farmers move to these servers .... or will they stay put and still keep agrivating the genuine player who play for fun... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So its something to think about .. i know i was horrified when i first saw this post .. you can read my reply.. but after sitting down and talking to my son in law .. who also plays eq ... we both agreed it has its advantages and disadvantges .. i know its made me stop and think ...</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Remember that what makes money harvesting bots IS players who buy there stuff.  Forget about the Botters you can't really stop them.  However the players that like to buy this stuff drive that economy.  If you can provide them a place where they can buy stuff without risk, without fear that their account or items will be taken, and where the prices are no doubt cheaper then they will move to these servers.</P> <P>Its really that simple.  This isn't about forcing the botters to move. This is about encouraging the players that create the botters by buying from them to move!  I think at this stage it is only a new server.  If it takes off and lots of people leave existing servers then they may need to convert servers and move people around to balance populations.  As long as they are providing people with an option to freely move I really don't see what the big fuss is all about.</P> <P> </P>

Juravael
04-21-2005, 12:19 AM
<P>This "Exchange idea" just sickens me to no end!!!</P> <P>I am very put off by this and even a bit angry :smileymad:</P>

Hroga
04-21-2005, 12:22 AM
<P>What, pray tell, prevents me from creating an alt on an Exchange server, buying the goods there, and then paying Sony to move my character from the Exchange server to a regular server?  Add item to shared bank slot...done.  Main character has the pilfered goods.</P> <P>This idea is so bad on so many levels.  When is society going to clean itself up?  When will the first money-grubbing corporation do something responsible?  This is merely pandering to the "Me first and right now" culture we have created for ourselves.  And now our games, where we go to escape that world, are no longer insulated.  I've busted my tail to get my character to 41/43 and now what?  So I can watch a bunch others run past me with their credit card?  What I really don't get is why nerf after nerf on characters and abilities have taken place in the spirit of "fairness" and "levelling the playing field" and then this crap happens.  Not only is this completely inconsistent and hypocritical, but I believe it to be unethical.</P> <P>Shame on you, SOE.  I'm going to sleep on it and see what I think in the morning but I'm pretty sure my decision will be to walk away.  Just pathetic.</P> <P> </P> <P>Here's another thought:  Why would I risk joining a group of other people claiming to be my level now?  If they bought their way to a level, then they'll just be hammerheads that don't know how to run their character.  The result is, if I die enough times because of this, I won't group with people I don't know anymore.  Period.  That seems to put a hickey on the whole idea of MMORPG if you ask me.  Basic trust in the community is eroded/eliminated.  Stupid, stupid, stupid.</P><p>Message Edited by Hrogath on <span class=date_text>04-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:28 PM</span>

Cerivus2
04-21-2005, 12:48 AM
<P>I would like to buy lvl's 37-48 for let's say $7 bucks a lvl.</P> <P> </P> <P>oh yes also I would like to buy 100 plat and some other sweet random gear form my new character. Oh yes and by the way can I buy some new game content as well that will be full of bugs and glitches?</P> <P> </P> <P>Sweet.</P> <P>Why even play?</P>

Shizzirri
04-21-2005, 01:18 AM
I've also heard rumors from some sources that Sony online entertainment and Yantis Enterprises (plat sellers) are considering a partnership anyone hear anything about this?  I'm wondering if that has anything to do with this announcement.

Tekila1982
04-21-2005, 01:32 AM
<P>Just my <STRONG>NO</STRONG> to this idea!</P> <P>Very stupid move SOE!</P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>Getting rare items is one of the main parts in this game, where's the fun when people can just come and buy their stuff with RL money?? When this really goes live on my server there's no way for me to play EQ2 any more.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff>I really don't know what's wrong with you SOE guys, better add some interesting ingame futures instead of thinking about this *$%#&! exchange system. Such a waste of time</FONT></P><p>Message Edited by Tekila1982 on <span class=date_text>04-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:47 PM</span>

URM8K
04-21-2005, 01:36 AM
<DIV>bad idea. just keep it like it is until bf 2 comes out, then i can sell my lvl 50. necro and cancel. way to suk it deep soe.</DIV><p>Message Edited by URM8K3R on <span class=date_text>04-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:37 PM</span>

Tuetatesu
04-21-2005, 02:23 AM
<DIV><FONT color=#66ffff>I'm conserned with h</FONT><FONT color=#66ffff>ow this may impact the in-game economy.  Will more people choose to sell loose or hand crafted items for real money then sell them in game for EQ coin?  And how will that effect other people wanting particular items but don't want to be forced to buy them with real money if they want them... rather choose to use EQ coin they earned in game.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ffff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ffff>Some items will be driven e<FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#66ffff size=3>xclusively </FONT>out to the real $$$ market leaving the in game market bare I fear!  And I think that is a bad thing.  I don't want to be forced to look to real $$ for items I need in a game.</FONT></DIV>

URM8K
04-21-2005, 02:39 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tuetatesu wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT color=#66ffff>I'm conserned with h</FONT><FONT color=#66ffff>ow this may impact the in-game economy.  Will more people choose to sell loose or hand crafted items for real money then sell them in game for EQ coin?  And how will that effect other people wanting particular items but don't want to be forced to buy them with real money if they want them... rather choose to use EQ coin they earned in game.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ffff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ffff>Some items will be driven e<FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#66ffff size=3>xclusively </FONT>out to the real $$$ market leaving the in game market bare I fear!  And I think that is a bad thing.  I don't want to be forced to look to real $$ for items I need in a game.</FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>thats a good point. i'll bet you wont be seeing many rares or master spells on broker anymore.

Cloudi
04-21-2005, 03:20 AM
<span><blockquote><hr>Shizzirri wrote:I've also heard rumors from some sources that Sony online entertainment and Yantis Enterprises (plat sellers) are considering a partnership anyone hear anything about this?  I'm wondering if that has anything to do with this announcement. <div></div><hr></blockquote>OMG... talk about sleeping with the enemy.  No offense, but I sincerely hope you're wrong...</span><div></div>

Squi
04-21-2005, 03:41 AM
I am shocked to the core with this announcment, i never thought i would see this day but its happend. Roll on vanguard. <span>:smileysad:</span> <div></div>

eqfo
04-21-2005, 04:18 AM
<DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ffff>I'm conserned with h</FONT><FONT color=#66ffff>ow this may impact the in-game economy.  Will more people choose to sell loose or hand crafted items for real money then sell them in game for EQ coin?  And how will that effect other people wanting particular items but don't want to be forced to buy them with real money if they want them... rather choose to use EQ coin they earned in game.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ffff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ffff>Some items will be driven e<FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#66ffff size=3>xclusively </FONT>out to the real $$$ market leaving the in game market bare I fear!  And I think that is a bad thing.  I don't want to be forced to look to real $$ for items I need in a game</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ffff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ffff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>Now you're thinkin, as I've said else where, a couple times...unless they handle this like test, where you log onto a completely different and closed set of servers, the economy balances will effect everybody. In other words when the economy on the exchange servers goes to hell, and it will, the code changes to fix it, will also take effect on the rest of us (if I'm even still here, which I seriously doubt). The whiners and criers on exchange servers will be posting the changes they think needs done to "balance" their game, when in fact the balance went out the window with the baby and and the bath water. Now they have a right to seek game changes, I mean after all, they'll be paying more money to play, won't they?</FONT></DIV></DIV>

kingdave20
04-21-2005, 05:14 AM
I have been in EQ2 about 3 weeks and this just blows me away. They gave into greed and the allure of an untapped market, for shame. This will change nothing in regards to botters, most servers still complain of botters with pictures and proof and guess what? Yeah they still are botting right now, they might have banned 700 but they missed some big names. This does nothing more than drag the good name of Everquest through the mudd and leave it there. Congratulations Smed just when I thought you guys couldn't screw up anymore you proved me wrong and converted EQ2 into your own ATM machine. The new combat system that rewards you for tanking naked and now the exchange, my god what next? /Sign me NO <div></div>

Cyber_Cowb
04-21-2005, 05:20 AM
<div></div>Let me state that I'm not going to partake in this, I seriously hope that Blackburrow doesn't fall to the Exchange system. However I don't really have a problem w/ this if others want to.  The way I look at it the old saying holds true "Time is Money"  some people have more of one, some people have more of the other.  Why should person A who is a collage kid (not sterotyping just have been in collage and know there are a lot of down time there.) who can play for 10-12 hours a day be able to get the "Uber" items by spending time questing and such, where as person B who is a CEO of a company, but only plays 20-30 min a day not be able to pay for items.  If he feels that he wants to enjoy the game as a lvl 50 monk and it's worth $500 to get that monk w/ all the loot he wants why not let him?  Both money and time are assets people usually have more of one or the other. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Cyber_Cowboy on <span class=date_text>04-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:17 PM</span>

SheetMonk
04-21-2005, 06:09 AM
<P>/Signed No</P> <P>Bad idea Sony.  Please rethink.  You are sucking the adventure out of this game.</P>

Misseh
04-21-2005, 06:56 AM
<DIV> <P>Ok, while I find the idea of it appalling, I have been going over some of the pros and cons of it, and here is what I have come up with.</P> <P><U>Pros</U></P> <DIV>Players will be more likely to buy from SoE than IGE and related companies</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Players will not be banned for buying from an approved source, cutting down on complaints to SoE, thus creating more time to deal with real customer service issues.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Players might make a bit of real money for all thier efforts, which can be recycled back into the game for more items and so on, eventually crating a larger cash pool for SoE which, one hopes, can lead to more GMs, MODs, Devs and the like.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IGE and similar companies will have severe profit cuts in EQ2, and if this works, all SoE games. Might make them go work more on WoW or something and get out of our hair.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><U>Cons</U></DIV> <DIV><U></U> </DIV> <DIV>Servers that do not participate in Station Exchange will still have botter problems, as not all players that would want to buy are willing to give up older characters on non SE servers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Will they create new ones, or will they use servers that are already in game? This one is a big one, because of how many people could be displaced completely in the whole mess.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Animosity between servers. Up to now, we've all been unconcerned about servers, other than the occasional "Why do you like yours" thread, which rarely degenerates to name calling. Once this is in effect, people against the whole thing might not be so nice to people on those servers, and vice verse.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Many players will not know how to play thier characters, because they never learned each ability and what it does, they never did the quests, and they never spent the time getting to know thier toon. I can honestly say that I would be reluctant to play with a purchased character for fear of dying because the peron behind the toon didn't know their stuff.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, that's the major stuff I came up with. Now I don't want to sound rude, because there is enough of that in this thread already, but I think it'd be wiser for all of us to step out of the black and white for a moment and really LOOK at what these changes could mean.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you can think of more pros and cons, please post them. At the same time, try to keep them feasible, because I've seen some pretty outlandish stuff all over every board about this, such as people claiming its the end to all botting and that the whole game will crash and everyone will quit if it happens.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Seriously folks, let's really think about this, rather than make wild accusations.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/sign me Undecided</DIV></DIV>

The_Witchfind
04-21-2005, 11:37 AM
Well, one positive thing may come out of this: if they implement it, I'll sell my characters to some sad scumbag and leave the game.  At least then I'll have some compensation for all my wasted time. <div></div>

Nhon
04-21-2005, 01:16 PM
<DIV>OK, a couple of points that I am sure will get me 1-starred.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Where did J. Smedley say SOE was going to take a commission from the Exchange server sales?</DIV> <DIV>-Someone have any <U>VERIFIABLE FACTS</U> regarding SOE profits here?</DIV> <DIV>-Where are all the bots? Seriously, I have a 45 toon, and don't think I have ever run across these horrible villlains. I am not saying they aren't there... Just haven't seen them, or heard anyone in-game complain. My Guildmates haven't mentioned it... ever.</DIV> <DIV>-Like every other major change in a MMOG (Luclin, anyone?) bazillions of people rant and cry and swear up and down they are going to leave the game. And, sheeplike, don't. Baaah, Baaah....</DIV> <DIV>-I am mostly peeved at the folks whining about something they really don't know anything about. Facts, not conjecture and wild speculation, folks... if you have real figures, please post them. In a fit of self-serving ire, I posted <A href="http://www.ethersblog.blogspot.com/" target=_blank>http://www.ethersblog.blogspot.com</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I could be totally off-base. It's happened once. I played WoW for a while, until my brain began firing all synapses in the right order. I then realized that EQ2 is much more fun for me. But it took a bit to find out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Then again, I am not competing with a total stranger over who has a MOB-dropped Belt of Instant Geekdom. If I see an obvious exploiter, cheater, or cretin that is somehow ruining the game for me, I will gleefully report it. But someone else having uber equipment that they bought with RL cash makes no difference to how I play.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My experiences, and my accomplishments are what is important to me... not some total stranger's. Maybe I am in the minority there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As far as a ruined economy... well, people have been saying it was shot since day 3. Lore, No Trade, etc, makes a big difference, and with the off-line selling, the economy was reeling anyhow. I don't see there being much real change on existing servers. I admit, I have no hard and fast facts there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>OK, so people may feel betrayed by SOE. I am sorry. Can't say a lot about that, other than I think that the super-suits at Sony have thought this one through. They ARE in it for the money. YOUR money. You being fired up and quitting = <$ 4 SOE. I am relatively certain this crossed their minds. It doesn't make fiscal sense for them to alienate their subscriber base. Then again, most of the folks on the boards here are simply bleating about quitting. Baaah, Baaah...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This post isn't intended to insult, but I think a little objectivity is called for. Unless I missed something, we haven't a lot of facts or figures, and we have a surplus of conjecture rumor, and wacked-out theory. Someone please educate me?</DIV>

Batelu
04-21-2005, 01:17 PM
<DIV> <DIV>I just want voice my displeasure with this Exchange program. It will ruin the great game that EQ2 is, and kill its future. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I really enjoy playing EQ2 and don't want to see it die in such an amoral manner. We don't need inept players with top notch equipment and spells because their daddy has RL cash to [Removed for Content] away on them. We don't need high level characters that bought their way there. Right now, when you see a level 50 character with good equipment, you know they earned everything they have. If Exchange does live, that will evaporate. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please, SOE, let EQ2 die this way. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If and when Exchange goes live, is the day my account is terminated. </DIV></DIV>

Nhon
04-21-2005, 01:34 PM
<DIV> <DIV>--------------------------</DIV> <DIV>I really enjoy playing EQ2 and don't want to see it die in such an amoral manner. We don't need inept players with top notch equipment and spells because their daddy has RL cash to [Removed for Content] away on them. We don't need high level characters that bought their way there. Right now, when you see a level 50 character with good equipment, you know they earned everything they have. If Exchange does live, that will evaporate. </DIV> <DIV>--------------------------</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Really? How do you know they earned it?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If a player sucks... well, he sucks. Don't group.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Amoral? Um... not to pick nits, but Everquest is a business, not a religion. Well, sometimes it isn't a religion <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV></DIV>

SinIsLaw
04-21-2005, 02:18 PM
<DIV><FONT size=2> <P>Well my dear friends at SoE when will be macroing and account sharing be allowed!!! </P> <P>I mean, take player X who enjoys to lvl his adventurer, but has no time to lvl his toon as a tradeskiller, why shouldn't that person be allowed to us macroing to lvl his tradeskiller, or hire someone 2 do so when he is offline !!! It's his toon, he pays rl money for that - let him advance the way he wants!!!!</P> <P></P> <P>And can I spent some RL$ so that someone <BR>... does my writs to boost my guild to lvl30 (or can I buy a lvl 30 guild)<BR>... gets me best KvD on the server<BR>... most completed quest on the server <BR>... highest magic & melee hit <BR>... I can only speak for my self here, but I do not have a good feeling about this. I see it as the beginning of the end. </P> <P>(yeah bad attempt of sarcasm)</P> <P>IMHO, with this change:</P> <P>-> Farm Botters will stay on both the servers, exchange or non-exchange.<BR>-> even more /report will be made, as people suspect anyone who camps a named 2-3 as botter.<BR>-> loads of uber gear n00bs will be around, not knowing how 2 play the game, spoiling it for other making grouping yet another nightmare!!!<BR>-> peeps who know how to play (without the patience of finding the gear, so buying the top end gear) will whine that the game is to easy and boring for their uber toon, and they'll cry for more & more content.<BR>-> people who enjoy Tradeskilling will be shafted once again (forced to move to a non-exchange server), as no one will need em anymore, the companies can mass produce cheaper...</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff33>... I really hope that the majority will be against this on my server!! I love this game, despite a lot of open issues and problems here and there. - I learn everyday something new, improve my game play a bit, get further on quests - still scream WOOOT on the guild chat if I find a rare, be happy with others if they get a master chest etc ...</FONT></P></FONT></DIV>

ExpertNewbie
04-21-2005, 04:36 PM
I think that most of you are blowing this WAY out of proportion. SOE will be creating exchange-only servers and POSSIBLY converting existing servers depending on demand. Now, let's assume that they don't convert any servers and only decide to create new exchange-only servers. Ok, how does this affect you? You're still playing on your server, which happens to be non-exchange, and the botters and farmers will still exist, possibly diminish as they transfer over to the exchange servers. How is it any different than it is now? That random player you group with today might have gotten his item off of eBay or IGE, you can't be 100% sure that he didn't. And if you are on a non-exchange server, he can't buy items off of there to put on his character. The way I see it, it's smart business. Not only is SOE alleviating a lot of stress on their customer service, but they're also earning money from something that already goes on regardless of whatever policy they instigate. By legimitizing it and creating SEPARATE servers apart from the regular servers, they not only appease those who want to buy their way through the game but also take these people off the non-exchange servers and gives us some relief. And I could care less about botters and farmers if they're not on my server because it doesn't interfere with my gameplay at all. Before you decide to cancel your account in a fit of fury, consider all the facts. Most people only see the words 'selling...item/character/plat...allowed' and decide that SOE is the devil. When really all they are is a business. <div></div>

Vlawde_Mcde
04-21-2005, 05:16 PM
<P> I don't think anyone will argue that the mindsets, and the way one approaches the game, are different between those of us that think this idea blows goats. and those that like it  </P> <P>  We all know this will come to ALL servers..and other games...if this works out on the selected servers.  That means the attitude most prevalent among those for this idea (LEET kids, and those who don't want to earn their stuff, or even bothering to play the lower levels) will not only be coming to your server, but will likely influence others on the fence. It's human nature to take the path of least resistance, and if everyone else around you has the best gear, and money to burn, while you are struggling, the temptation will be there.  And there goes the game, why even bother to play it and earn anything, or take pride in your accomplishments when you can just buy a leveled toon and all the top gear?</P> <P>  That is what Sony is counting on, and that is why it must stop now.  If it is important to you as it is to me, cancel your account and see what happens</P> <P> </P> <P>   </P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Vlawde_Mcdeth on <span class=date_text>04-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:34 AM</span>

Aquane
04-21-2005, 05:28 PM
The real problem here isn't wether they have a special server for this or not. Even Sony has said they can't stop it. So it will continue on as always (on all servers), even if Sony is taking a cut from the exchange servers. The problem is they have opened 'Pandoras Box'. Game developers have been pushing this for a while and it was a big hot topic at the last developers convention. They are looking to supliment income with MICROPAYMENTS. It's comming on the consoles and its here in the PC. If Sony shows this is the direction they want to take and we let them... we only have ourselves to blame when we paying for every play. Once they bring it in... It's here for good and will only get bigger. It's like a sales tax. The Government never brings them in and then takes them away after a little while or better yet lowers the rate. Lol. Either you let it happen or you play another game. <div></div>

Kabil
04-21-2005, 05:50 PM
<span><blockquote><hr>ExpertNewbie wrote:I think that most of you are blowing this WAY out of proportion. SOE will be creating exchange-only servers and POSSIBLY converting existing servers depending on demand. Now, let's assume that they don't convert any servers and only decide to create new exchange-only servers. Ok, how does this affect you? You're still playing on your server, which happens to be non-exchange, and the botters and farmers will still exist, possibly diminish as they transfer over to the exchange servers. How is it any different than it is now? That random player you group with today might have gotten his item off of eBay or IGE, you can't be 100% sure that he didn't. And if you are on a non-exchange server, he can't buy items off of there to put on his character. The way I see it, it's smart business. Not only is SOE alleviating a lot of stress on their customer service, but they're also earning money from something that already goes on regardless of whatever policy they instigate. By legimitizing it and creating SEPARATE servers apart from the regular servers, they not only appease those who want to buy their way through the game but also take these people off the non-exchange servers and gives us some relief. And I could care less about botters and farmers if they're not on my server because it doesn't interfere with my gameplay at all. Before you decide to cancel your account in a fit of fury, consider all the facts. Most people only see the words 'selling...item/character/plat...allowed' and decide that SOE is the devil. When really all they are is a business. <div></div><hr></blockquote> I agree with you 100% Expert .. But to those of you who are planning on canceling your accounts .. at least take advantage of the benefit and get soem of your money back and sell your account to one of those newbies thats going to buy it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> .. not hard to have a level 50 by now heh</span><div></div>

ExpertNewbie
04-21-2005, 05:51 PM
<div></div><div></div>What makes you so sure that they're going to eventually implement it on all servers? The way I see it, SOE has a percentage of players who would pay money for equipment/money/levels, and a percentage of players who wouldn't. By converting all the servers to exchange, it alienates those of us who don't want to play with the ones who pay money for their status. SOE is smart and despite the negative stigma surrounding them, there is no denying that their games garner players, and lots of them. I firmly believe that they will not convert all the servers to exchange-only because that only serves to shut out a hefty percentage of their player base. Rather, a nice medium will be established which will placate both types of players. Also, some players have had concerns that this will encourage farming on the regular non-exchange servers. My reply to that is, how? As economics teaches us, there can be no increase in supply if there isn't a subsequent increase in demand. If players don't want more items, why would the farmers produce more? Rather, the incentive lies in the exchange-only servers. Despite the fact that there are more sellers and the market is more competitive, you'll also get much more exposure for your goods, which offsets the negatives of jumping into a competitive market. Better to have competition and lots of buyers than to have a few buyers but no competition. <div></div><p>Overall, I think this is another case of the /pizza command and the tradeskill patch a while back. People threw a riot when SOE implemented the /pizza command, saying that they'll quit because of the 'in-game advertising' (which is to say, was non-existent), and the tradeskill patch was quite unpopular too. Not to mention the Adventure Pack which people accused SOE of charging for 'free content' they should have received normally despite all the OTHER content in the game that was provided freely in prior patches. Sure, there will be some people who quit due to this exchange server issue, but I don't believe it will destroy the game. </p> <p>One more note, SOE seems to be setting a lot of 'firsts' lately. They were the first to implement a legitimate web page-based character stats tracking (legitimate meaning not using packet capture methods or log scanners), the first to offer an in-game way of ordering food, the first to create a MMORPG that you couldn't play at max quality on even the most powerful of hardware, and the first to legitimize in-game selling and buying using real-world currency. It seems like they're trying to establish themselves as a unique company that offers much more than what a typical MMORPG company offers. <span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by ExpertNewbie on <span class=date_text>04-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:13 AM</span>

Kiadr
04-21-2005, 06:16 PM
<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aquaneod wrote:<BR>If Sony shows this is the direction they want to take and we let them... we only have ourselves to blame when we paying for every play. <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <P><FONT face=Century color=#ccffcc size=3>A valid point here, but you make a faulty assumption that the players have some kind of say-so in whether this new system goes in or not. The Exchange is going to happen because SoE has deemed it a good business move. Businesses do not often make such major moves without some research. If this move showed little or no profit potential, SoE wouldn’t be touching it, because they KNOW it is a very controversial issue. There is big money in this and SoE does know that a select few people will cancel their account over it, but that is small potatoes compared to what they stand to make. People forget that SoE is in the business of making money. SoE is not a philanthropic organization that exists to make everyone happy even if it costs them money to do so. </FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Century color=#ccffcc size=3></FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=Century color=#ccffcc size=3>The vast majority of people, in my opinion, aren’t going to have a problem with this. Some will use it but many just won’t care at all because it won’t directly affect them. One thing that is important to understand is that the EQ2 forum posters represent an extremely small percentage of players. Just because some people here hate this idea and are threatening to cancel their accounts means very little. Not to mention, I have always found it amazing that the people who threaten to cancel their accounts so rarely do, or so it seems. Throughout several MMOs I have seen the “I WILL CANCEL!” threat, and those same people often seem to be around the next time a new system is introduced that they don’t agree with and then they threaten to cancel their account again, and again, and again. </FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Century color=#ccffcc size=3></FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=Century color=#ccffcc size=3>SoE does want player feedback, as they have asked for it, however, make no mistake, this is a business move for them. They KNOW that some players who feel that buying/selling items/plat is “cheating” will go into cardiac arrest over this. You can’t stop this new system unless you could get a significant portion of the playerbase to cancel their accounts (really cancel them, not just stop playing for a week). The problem is, that isn’t going to happen. The fraction of a percent of players represented on these forums only have a fraction of a percent of people who would seriously cancel their account over this. Most of them are probably not enjoying the game anyways and already plan to cancel. SoE knows this, just FYI. </FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Century color=#ccffcc size=3></FONT> </P> <P><FONT color=#ccffcc size=3><FONT face=Century>Instead of threatening SoE with canceling your account and accomplishing nothing other than making yourself look like a jack [Removed for Content], perhaps those of you upset over this should try to offer some constructive criticism on the matter. You may as well accept that you are going to have to compromise, because the system looks like it is going in (at the VERY least on <EM>some</EM> servers). What say-so you do have is HOW it is implemented, so why not focus on working with that, instead of trying to stop it altogether, which you simply can not do?</FONT> </FONT></P></DIV>

Aquane
04-21-2005, 06:24 PM
That is an interesting thought on the not all servers becoming exchange servers and I will hope you right but 2 things come to mind: 1. SOE will evenually want to regain profits lost on the non exchange servers. Its well known companies feel these are stolen profits. 2. SOE cant come down on people selling for rl$ on your non exchange server if the condone it on others. I am afrid the only way I feel SOE will mark me down as a NO is by my cancellation. Otherwise I am telling them it is ok for them to change the game halfway through. It simply is not. <div></div>

Vlawde_Mcde
04-21-2005, 06:28 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ExpertNewbie wrote:<BR> What makes you so sure that they're going to eventually implement it on all servers?<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Uh..Sony SAID they would if this worked out.....and to their other games as well. Don't think for a moment you will be safe from this on a non exchange server. It WILL become one if this works out </DIV>

Ertoo
04-21-2005, 06:36 PM
Simply put....this is just demonstrating how greedy SOE is.  They can't put a halt to the Ebayers and places like Playerauctions, so they figure they'll just allow it only on THEIR terms and make the money themselves.  Personally, I really had no problem with ebayers and playerauctions.  Their numbers were relatively small and if people were stupid enough to pay real money for in-game items, then that's their problem (although I do think it definitely affected the game in a negative way, however, wasn't a huge enough problem to ruin the game).  This new announcement is just going to completely ruin the game....IF they allow it on current servers.  By all means, create new servers and keep that crap there...I don't care, as I won't be moving.  But, please please PLEASE.....don't bring it to our current servers.  I know there's 'behind the scenes' buying and selling going on now, and things are just fine....so far.   Applying your new service to our current servers is just going to completely ruin the game for a LOT of people. Just goes to show....HE WHO HAS THE MOST MONEY, WINS!!! <div></div>

Aquane
04-21-2005, 06:40 PM
In response to :<font color="#ccffcc" size="3"><font face="Century">Instead of threatening SoE with canceling your account and accomplishing nothing other than making yourself look like a jack [Removed for Content], perhaps those of you upset over this should try to offer some constructive criticism on the matter. You may as well accept that you are going to have to compromise, because the system looks like it is going in (at the VERY least on <em>some</em> servers). What say-so you do have is HOW it is implemented, so why not focus on working with that, instead of trying to stop it altogether, which you simply can not do? Ok then I propose a few constructive changes: Why not sell the gold or characters directlly throug SOE. That way it won't affect my drops, spawns and others BUT change the color of the name of those who purchase through the exchange to show they have bought there way to that stat. That way the dad can play with their son and those that don't want to spend the time on the game can still lvl up. Of couse they will not be able to give plat away to non exchange players. That way we can see who the no talents are. </font></font><div></div>

ExpertNewbie
04-21-2005, 06:41 PM
Would you mind pointing out where exactly you found that Sony said they were going to eventually implement it on all servers? Because I sure as hell can't find it. As for 'making up' for lost revenue, I believe there are more players that would quit playing if all the servers were changed to exchange servers than those that will stay and actually purchase items. SOE probably knows this and won't convert all the servers because the loss is greater than the gain. Also, many people seem to think that EQ2 is dying from a lack of subscribers, which I find kind of funny considering they are ranked 3rd for most subscribers in the US, with Everquest 1 being in 2nd and World of Warcraft in 1st. I know of many other games that are getting along fine with 1/5 of the subsribers that EQ2 has. <div></div>

Aquane
04-21-2005, 06:44 PM
Smed wrote: <div>Hello everyone,</div> <div> </div> <div>I'm going to be focusing my posting about this subject in this forum. I'm reading them in other forums, but I'll be doing most of my posting and responding here.</div> <div> </div> <div>Comments:</div> <div> </div> <div>1) This will not make farming worse on the non-exchange servers -  One large thing we've been doing is developing the technology behind catching farmers. We recently banned a bunch of people for breaking the EULA. We have more ability to do this now. Sure, it's not perfect, but I have to say this is going to be something we are vigilant about... in fact, I think it's fair to say brutally vigilant about. When it comes right down to it, we obviously don't have enough GM's to be everywhere.. but we also have many other ways to catch people doing this stuff, and that's where we have been focusing some of our time prior to the launch of this service. <div>2) New Servers vs. converting existing servers - we're going to light up new servers first and see how the demand is. We hear you loud and clear about breaking up communities. Will opening exchange servers do that to some extent? Maybe a little... but I doubt a lot. It's going to be interesting to see how the polls come down on this one. When we've done them in the past.. there are a LOT more people in the "I don't really care but I wouldn't do it" category than on either the yes or no side.. and the people on the No side tend to really be in the "NO" side.. not the "no" side. Please give us a chance on this and see how things actually go.. the truth is we don't have any real idea how the polls are going to come out now that we're not asking "should we do this" but rather "how should we do this". It's too easy for people to give a quick answer when asking whether or not this should be done.. there are many real life examples of this. Now that it is here... please think about it and perhaps get to know the other side of the argument first. I can tell you I've had a lot of conversations with people that actually do purchase in-game things. Lots of times the answer is "I don't have time" or "I want to play with my kid and I'm level 46" or something along those lines. Those may not be arguments you agree with, but at least think about why other people do this. Don't assume that the person doing this is some "auction farmer".. the majority of the time it's just a normal person like you playing their character through fairly and squarely and wants to make some money when they see a good opportunity.</div> <div> </div> <div>3) The Future- this is a huge point I tried to make in the community letter - in the future there are going to be a lot of different ways to monetize online games. Maybe subscriptions aren't the only way. Also remember game design is an evolutionary thing - there could easily be a game where a "scarcity" model (i.e. stuff is rare because it doesn't spawn that often or it's hard to get) doesn't exist. What about a game where the core gameplay is about action.. but superficial stuff like appearence which doesn't neccessarily change gameplay directly can be bought and sold on market. Imagine if in that game real people could design cool clothes (Second Life does this now btw) and sell them to other people. I realize that game isn't EQ2, and I'm not trying to suggest that it is.. it's just that things evolve, and eventually you have to try new things. What we're doing here is trying to be respectful to the people that don't want to participate, but still offer people this option if they so desire it.</div> <div> </div> <div>All I would ask is your consideration of these points. Of course there are plenty of passionate arguments on both sides of this issue.. and I respect that. <div>John Smedley</div> <div>President, Sony Online Entertainment</div> <div> </div> </div> </div> <div></div>

ExpertNewbie
04-21-2005, 07:07 PM
I read that 3 times and I couldn't find one line that said "We will be changing all the servers to exchange servers in the future." The closest thing was Smedley stating that MMORPGs are evolving and that there is more than one way of gaining profits than just by subscriptions alone. Overall, this is the usual routine of "new patch/addition/whatever sucks I'm cancelling my account" and will die down once people get used to it. It always happens without fail. SOE could come out with a patch tomorrow that completely overhauls the gameplay and makes it 2X more fun that it is now and guaranteed you'll have tons of people on the forums threatening to cancel their account. <div></div>

Vlawde_Mcde
04-21-2005, 07:25 PM
<P>Right here...and read between the lines too. "some servers" will be "All servers' if it benefits Sony financially:</P> <P> </P> <P>Hello Everyone,</P> <P>We have a big announcement coming out in the press in the next day, and I wanted to make sure you heard it from me directly rather than reading an article about it.</P> <P>Starting in late June, SOE will begin offering a new service called Station Exchange. This secure service will allow EverQuest II players on specific servers to buy and sell the right to use items, coin and characters to one another. To be clear, all we are doing is facilitating these transactions. We are NOT in the business of selling virtual goods ourselves.</P> <P>I'm sure this is going to come as a shock to many of you, since for the past six years, we have held the line in not allowing these sorts of things to occur. I'd like to explain the primary drivers for this change from our perspective:</P> <P>First: It's obvious that a large percentage of our players either don't mind this activity or actively participate in it. We've done a fair amount of homework on this subject, and we believe this is a $200 million dollar market worldwide, and there are a huge number of our players taking part in the buying and selling of virtual goods. We have conducted polls, and the vast majority of players either don’t care about it or would like to participate in it. We believe that by allowing this to happen on select servers, we can have a solution for both the many players who want to participate in this and for those who don’t.</P> <P>Second: Dealing with fraudulent transactions of one type or another takes up roughly 40% of our customer service people's time. We have players calling us up or requesting in-game service for activities related to these sorts of transactions constantly, even though they are specifically disallowed by our EULA. You may ask why the percentage is that high when it's not allowed in the first place? The answer is simple. Many times, people in these situations aren't up front with us about what actually happened. "My sword disappeared from my inventory" comes to mind, when what actually happened is the player has sold the item to someone else. Our CS people have to take the time to investigate this claim because if something legitimately happened, we of course want to take care of the player's needs. We believe that by taking this course, we will free up a great number of resources to deal with other things for our players.</P> <P>Third: We see this as a potentially interesting model for future games. If we came up with a game specifically designed around these sorts of transactions, it might be pretty cool. Online gaming is always evolving, and we’re going to see how a sanctioned exchange service shakes out in EQII. From our perspective, it's always wise to keep pushing the envelope.</P> <P> With the big reasons we're doing this laid out, I'd like to now tell you about the process:</P> <P>On Wednesday, you'll see some press about Station Exchange. After about a week, we will conduct an in-game poll that's going to ask whether you:</P> <P>1) Want to play on an "Exchange enabled" server</P> <P>2) Do not want to play on an "Exchange enabled" server</P> <P>3) Don't really care</P> <P> Based on the results of this poll, we will light up a certain amount of new servers that are specifically "Exchange enabled." <STRONG>If the percentage of players who want this service is high enough, we might consider converting some existing servers to "Exchange enabled."</STRONG> Players who want to play on those servers will have the opportunity to transfer over to the "Exchange enabled" servers for free on a one-time-only basis (but you can't ever move that character off these servers). We will, of course, let people who don't want to stay on an "Exchange enabled" server off with a free transfer.</P> <P>I want to be clear here: We will be lighting up a few new servers that are specifically “Exchange enabled,” and the number of existing servers we convert to “Exchange enabled” will be based on how many people actually want to be on "Exchange enabled" servers.</P> <P>In addition to the issues listed above, you may ask, "What about farming?" The simple answer to this is that we're going to continue to heavily enforce the rules of EQ II, and those rules don't permit players to monopolize spawns or in any way harm the play experience of another player. We will continue to enforce these rules, but we also think that by allowing for a legitimate and secure way to do this there will be fewer problems on the non-Exchange servers.</P> <P>I realize this is a lot to think about, and I expect a pretty good debate to start on this subject. We welcome all your feedback, as it will help determine the future of this service. All I ask is that you consider the fact that we're really addressing this problem in the best possible way for all sides of this issue.</P> <P> John Smedley</P> <P>President, Sony Online Entertainment</P> <P> </P> <p>Message Edited by Vlawde_Mcdeth on <span class=date_text>04-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:26 AM</span>

Aquane
04-21-2005, 07:46 PM
It doesn't say it will happen to ALL servers. It says it will happen to some if the Polls show an interest. It's not that people are just looking for something to complain about like in the new patches. Its that SOE doesn't care what we have to say about OUR game. As it said in his statement, they are not asking if we want it as it is already decided. I realize SOE is a buisness but shame on those dumb fools for buying items... They have done soooo much damage to the game. I don't want to pay $100 a month to keep up with everyone else. PLEASE SOE, DON"T MIX US UP UNLESS YOU SINGLE THEM OUT. I think I was onto something with the different color name thing. Its that helpless feeling we get when a company we deal with does what they want no matter what we want. <div></div>

Hroga
04-21-2005, 09:32 PM
<DIV>OK, I get a little wiser as I continue to get older (much older it feels like) and it was a good thing I slept on it. Here's my take now. (Executive summary for those of you that won't read all this: I'm staying, but pre-setting conditions upon which I will leave) <BR><BR>The game is still fun and the guild and new relationships are what I most enjoy these days. Initially, at least, the so-called Exchange Servers will be limited to new servers if I read the letter correctly. While I feel like what SOE is doing here is 100% hyocritical, bordering (or full into) unethical, and demonstrates an outright lust for money over understanding what's important to players, but some of you may be right, we on the non-Exchange servers are mostly unaffected. <BR><BR>I will point out now, however, that my first assumption about anything SOE says is absolute rubbish. I was probably stupid for taking them at their word in the first place, but I am absolutely convinced that they are lying on this one. Their words say that a "significant percentage" expressed "some level of interest" in having these kinds of servers. The poll was supposedly conducted amongst players of EQLive before EQ2 was launched. To me this means a few things: <BR><BR>1. They didn't get a majority percentage so they called "significant percentage" enough to justify what they were always planning to do anyway. <BR><BR>2. They fully intended to do this all along anyway since it was polled for long before EQ2 was released. <BR><BR>3. They manufactured their "significant percentage" by presenting a biased poll. I haven't seen the poll but when they say "some level of interest" that tells me that there was likely a range that went from "not interested" to "maybe interested" to "somewhat interested" to "fully interested" or some iteration therein. If you add all the other "interesteds" and exclude the "not interesteds" you probably get a "significant percentage." <BR><BR>4. Building a process to host this sort of thing is not simple. If they plan on releasing it soon, they've been working on it all along. No way they crank this out over a month's time. <BR><BR>5. They have lost touch with or simply have no regard for what the actual game players think.  <BR><BR>With this broadening insight, I now choose to proceed with my eyes as wide open as I can get them (assuming that I am not yet dastardly enough in my thinking to predict the next ridiculous move by SOE). My conditions for continuing are as follows: <BR><BR>1. Highkeep server does not become an Exchange server. They did say that they would convert old servers if the demand was "high enough." They failed to define "high enough" nor illumine us on how they intend to determine that. This essentially sets them up to convert servers on an arbitrary whim. If it happens to Highkeep, I'm gone. After penning a letter to Smedley, of course. The reason is because a) I don't want to be on one of those servers, b) this will split our guild. Despite the fact that SOE will "benevolently" allow us a one-time free move to a different server, it screws the guild, the guild accomplishments, etc. <BR><BR>2. I do not personally witness a bunch of bots & farmers at work. I simply don't have the energy or patience to report these and I certainly don't have the faith in SOE that they'll give a flip anyway. If I see them in increased numbers (because I've already seen them), I'm just going to hang it up. No sense putting up with it. <BR><BR>3. Our guild needs to update its charter. We must assertively state that: We will not accept botters or farmers. If someone transfers a character from one owner to another they're out of the guild. We will not tolerate outside of the game purchases of items, money, characters, etc. Any that do are instantly booted, no second chances.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4. If I start grouping with people that have bought their characters and don't know how to play them and I start dying as a result. This will undermine my confidence in my fellow players and will discourage me from grouping with non-guild members. Much as I love my guild, I believe we need to group with others outside the guild to get our guild name out and demonstrate our competence. When this goes away, a major component of what a MMORPG is goes away. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>5.  If I can't complete a heritage quest or harvest a node because the botters have them camped.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>6.  If bug fixes come EVEN SLOWER because the programmers now have to either come up with two fixes each time (one for Exchange servers and one for non) OR if all the fixes suddenly start flowing to the people that have the money (e.g. the Exchange servers).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>7.  If I can't buy a rare item from a broker (because they are all listed elsewhere).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The reasons listed in Smedley's email for doing this smack of a team that was assembled to justify in consumable terms why the sudden reversal in policy was "necessary."  That Smedley put his name to it mystifies me.  What a pile of contrived hooey.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Seriously, how does this approach address the customer service call issues they have now while THERE ARE NO EXCHANGE SERVERS?  How do the Exchange servers alleviate the current problems?  What motivation do the botters have to move their operations to the Exchange servers where everyone will be able to do it?  And how will SOE be able to enforce a no-botting, etc. policy now that they are essentially making it OK elsewhere?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(grammar edit)</DIV><p>Message Edited by Hrogath on <span class=date_text>04-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:37 AM</span>

Ethi
04-21-2005, 11:31 PM
<P>Not sure why I post but...</P> <DIV>>Seriously, how does this approach address the customer service call issues they have now while THERE ARE NO EXCHANGE SERVERS?  How do the >Exchange servers alleviate the current problems?  What motivation do the botters have to move their operations to the Exchange servers where everyone will >be able to do it?  And how will SOE be able to enforce a no-botting, etc. policy now that they are essentially making it OK elsewhere?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All of this is rather reasonably answered in the message announcing this service.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Many people actively participate in these buying and selling activities.  (fact that is well documented).  Since it isn't regulated in any way there are people cheated and who end up being screwed.  I know this to be a fact from people I know in EQ who have purchased goods and accounts.  These people then call SOE and try to get them to clean up the mess.  This drives up customer services costs!  So doing a regulated service with in game secure transactions will eliminate a support headache.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Exchange servers will at worse neither make the problems worse then they are today on non exchange servers.  However, it is reasonable to believe that some people who like to buy plat, accounts, and items will move to servers that provide a secure approved method to do so.   This will reduce the number of people looking to buy these things on NON-Exchange servers.  So it is reasonable to expect that as the demand on non-exchange servers decreases so will people farming to provide inventories to supply that demand.  (Basic economics which should be obvious).  So this will very likely reduce farming on non exchange servers, which again reduces customer service calls having to research and cancel farmer accounts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What motivation do botters have to move to exchange servers?  A reduction in demand will result in surplus inventories, a reduction is sales price which in term will make farming less worthwhile.  Thus they will move because they can't make enough money to make it worthwhile.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Again they specifically say that they have made no changes to their policy on Boting.  Botting is not permited on any servers exchange or non exchange.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So I believe a big motivation here is to reduce costs in customer support dealing with fraud or fraud related calls, and botting issues.  I don't see where they have said they will charge for this service at all.  And even if they do charge some fee per transaction it would still be reasonable.  However I believe the big $$ return will be on reduced customer support.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Remember also they said they will be running an in game poll to see how many people are interested in this.  If you don't like it vote your mind.  Just keep an open mind that some people DO want this type of service.</DIV>

Hroga
04-22-2005, 01:38 AM
<P>Well, I for one am glad you posted.  I'm willing to listen to reason and discuss without flaming.</P> <P>But here's what I think you might be missing in your analysis.  I'f I'm uber game boy, why would I want to go to a server where everyone is uber game boy?  In fact, it's likely to cost me more hard dollars to be uber on an Exchange Server for the simple reason that any and everyone can do it.  If the motivation is to be better and cooler than everyone else, how is that accomplished over there?  Seems to me that the 50/50's being sold on the non-Exchange servers will increase in value or, at worst, stay the same.  So how does that port the problem away?</P> <P>My basic logic tells me that if customer service is a problem now without the Exchange servers, it's not going to suddenly get better with their introduction.  In fact, it stands to get worse as people encounter problems on the Exchange servers in addition to all the people getting ripped off on the non-exchange servers.  I think the fact that people get ripped off is the best deterrent for this kind of thing.</P> <P>I understand your economics premises but I'm not seeing you include the psychological implications as well.</P> <P>Regarding the poll, I think I have already established my suspicion that their polls cannot be trusted.  Sure, I'll vote my 'no' but to what end?</P>

ExpertNewbie
04-22-2005, 02:15 AM
Hrogath, keep in mind that not everyone buys their levels so they can be 'uber' and show off. Some do it so they can keep up with their friends without having to spend countless hours grinding up to their level and others do it because they want to experience the entire game world without having to grind to 50 just so they can walk around without having everything kill them on sight. There's probably more reasons out there why people would buy their way into the game, but not all of them are because they want to be 'uber'. The price for high-level characters will stay the same. Reason is because the demand will be the same as before, perhaps lower. If prices do increase, it will be because the market has become smaller with less demand, so therefore the price that the suppliers charge is higher. SOE has to play this one right. Of course there's already a lot of negative feedback on it, which is typical for any drastic changes that a MMORPG company makes. The people who are against it are much more vocal than those who don't care and those who promote it. I, for one, don't care because I'm pretty sure this change won't affect me in any way, nor my guild. But if our server turns into an exchange server, I will consider quitting. Too many people are jumping the gun as usual. I wonder how many people cancelled their accounts due to /pizza and the tradeskill changes a while back...only to resubscribe later on when they have calmed themselves down. <div></div>

Malachi Kri
04-22-2005, 02:30 AM
<div></div>I think there are several valid opinions for and against this concept. The only thing that is driving me crazy are the geniuses who state "If this comes to my server I am gone". Hate to break it to ya, it's already there. Just not run by SOE. There's not a single server out there right now that I can't browse goods for sale on with Enott's, IGE, eBay, or any of the other many third-party companies out there that run this sort of business. The debate is NOT should people be allowed to buy or sell items/equipment/coin for real life currency, it's who do you want in control of those markets? SOE who probably has at least a little better sense of watching out for the overall games health or some third-party company who could care less what happens to the game, rather are they making as much money as possible. Naysayers and SOE haters aside, SOE is NOT going to destroy the game in any real sense. If this decision starts to show a MASS drop in subscriptions I am sure they will nix it. First and foremost the game makes the money for them. Without the game in existence they can't profit from in-game sales. I would LOVE to see the concept of selling game items for cash gone. But let's be realistic. I would like to see gas prices cheaper, broadband prices going down not up, cable companies doing their jobs, the deficit drop, and many many other things. In realism, their not changing soon. So until then the idea is to best handle the situations. Given the choice between SOE running the sales and IGE running the sale I simply choose SOE. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Malachi Krieg on <span class=date_text>04-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:32 PM</span>

Hroga
04-22-2005, 02:51 AM
<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ExpertNewbie wrote:<BR>Hrogath, keep in mind that not everyone buys their levels so they can be 'uber' and show off. Some do it so they can keep up with their friends without having to spend countless hours grinding up to their level and others do it because they want to experience the entire game world without having to grind to 50 just so they can walk around without having everything kill them on sight. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Fair enough.  So my own analysis is a bit short sighted.  I thought this was why mentoring was introduced but I acknowledge that this may not be good enough for everyone.  I also still see this as a reason that the marketers of these toons will remain on the non-Exchange servers because people will have friends everywhere.  So my point is that I still don't see why the same customer complaints re: fraud that they're getting today will diminish with the introduction of Exchange servers.  I think you essentially make this point in your paragraph following the one I quoted above.</DIV>

Hroga
04-22-2005, 02:57 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Malachi Krieg wrote:<BR> I think there are several valid opinions for and against this concept. The only thing that is driving me crazy are the geniuses who state "If this comes to my server I am gone". Hate to break it to ya, it's already there. Just not run by SOE. There's not a single server out there right now that I can't browse goods for sale on with Enott's, IGE, eBay, or any of the other many third-party companies out there that run this sort of business.<BR><BR>The debate is NOT should people be allowed to buy or sell items/equipment/coin for real life currency, it's who do you want in control of those markets? SOE who probably has at least a little better sense of watching out for the overall games health or some third-party company who could care less what happens to the game, rather are they making as much money as possible. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>First off, hopefully I'm not coming off as a hater, because I love the game...just hate this idea.  I know the secondary markets are already there, but my premise is that if some of them are still unreliable, it casts a shadow over the whole enterprise and will likely deter some people from engaging in these activities.  No, I don't still believe in the tooth fairy, but I'd like to believe this practice is kept to a minimum by some of this doubt.  What I really don't want to see is anyone adding legitimacy to these practices.  SOE entering the business would do just that I expect.  Granted, that's only on the Exchange servers, I know, but my conclusion is that it will only embolden others.  And more of this can/will affect gameplay.</P> <P>I'm not flying off the handle.  I'm hanging in there, but now I do see certain conditions that would cause me to bail out too where I didn't before.<BR></P>

Ghom
04-22-2005, 05:39 AM
<P>I have been EQ faithfull for nearly 6 years now , if this goes live I guess I can do other things with my time . The whole idea really dosent sit with me at all . </P> <P>They claim they spend all this budget cracking down on people who sell/ebay stuff, now it will be ingame issues related to farming and monopolizing that they can dodge by using the lame cs ticket method . </P> <P>And any one who wants to enjoy and play the game will take a back seat to those who want to buy thier way thru it . </P> <P>Sony can wonder why they have 5 less accts 3 eq1 and 2 eq 2 not giving them an income anymore. </P> <P>This is my Fantasy , you cant buy or sell it ...........</P> <P>Ghome </P>

Ethi
04-22-2005, 09:34 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hrogath wrote:<BR> <P>But here's what I think you might be missing in your analysis.  I'f I'm uber game boy, why would I want to go to a server where everyone is uber game boy?  In fact, it's likely to cost me more hard dollars to be uber on an Exchange Server for the simple reason that any and everyone can do it.  If the motivation is to be better and cooler than everyone else, how is that accomplished over there?  Seems to me that the 50/50's being sold on the non-Exchange servers will increase in value or, at worst, stay the same.  So how does that port the problem away?</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Your thoughts here are valid but I think I disagree with your conclusions.  I don't think most people buy things to be uber persay.  In fact I felt it was quite curious why people would pay for accounts, plat and items back several years ago when EQ was fairly new.   I mean here you have this wonderful game with adventure at all levels and progression.  Fact is I think most RPGs are about the progression not the end game.  I used to write a months RPG newsletter so I'm pretty hard core about role playing games...</P> <P>Anyway being curious I started seeking out people who bought accounts and stuff and asking them why?  I even reformed a few <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  But the thing is they aren't generally kids looking to be more uber.  What they are is people who don't have a lot of time and feel they are missing out on drops, not progressing fast enough, or just wanting to skip the grind to get to the end.  One person I spoke to said he worked full time was pretty senior in his company making good money and wanted to play eq but didn't have the time to work his way to lvl 50.  Another person said they started one character and invested a lot of time and wanted to get to high lvl without going through the leveling process again.  Several people wanted money so they could get a better start.  One person couldn't bare to camp for an item that he had to have so bought it.</P> <P>Contrary to popular opinion most of the people I spoke to were pretty reasonable and had good reasons for doing what they did.  Generally it was a trade off of time vs money.  Not one person I spoke to had any interest in being more uber than anyone else.  They were more concerned about their ability to get somewhere in the game.  Be that a good start, getting a necessary item, or skiping the level grind.</P> <P>So I don't think people who want to buy stuff are going to be concerned about moving to an exchange server where other people can buy stuff.  They will however very likely be concerned about the same things everyone is farmers and bots <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Even through this is how they get what then need they still want to play the game for fun just like we all do.</P> <P>It would be interesting if there was someone who actually bought a character, item or plat would follow up and explain why?  Come on now is the time to come out <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>hah I almost forgot my point.  That being that the people who move to exchange servers will be people who want to buy a character or something without having to worry about being cheated or loosing out.  I don't think they are going to be thinking oh my I can't be the most uber player because everyone here is buying their way to uberness.  I suspect the servers will be fairly normal with probably more than the average set of farming and botting problems.<BR> </P> <p>Message Edited by Ethion on <span class=date_text>04-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:37 PM</span>

Ulledk
04-22-2005, 11:55 AM
<P>I think its getting a bit out of hand, I thought Everquest was a roleplaying game, and starting officially supporting selling outside the game for real money, is just a bit to much IMO, In my book roleplaying games is all about getting your things by playing your character, not to take a short cut and go buy things, Im sorry to say it, but if this so called "service" will be introduced on the server im on, i will cancel my accounts, and move on to another mmorpg, it takes the spirit completely out of the game, and as one said, it once was about the game, its like SoE thinks its a kindergarten, and the kid that whines the most gets hes way.</P> <P>please SoE, lets return to the old roleplaying buisness, yes you might step on a few peoples toes, but at least the whole roleplaying concept is intact.</P> <P> </P> <P>A worried EQ1+2 player.</P>

Vlawde_Mcde
04-23-2005, 08:00 PM
<DIV><EM>'Anyway being curious I started seeking out people who bought accounts and stuff and asking them why?  I even reformed a few <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" width=16 border=0>.  But the thing is they aren't generally kids looking to be more uber.  What they are is people who don't have a lot of time and feel they are missing out on drops, not progressing fast enough, or just wanting to skip the grind to get to the end.'</EM></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  What is the point of getting a game where the bulk of the content is already played?  And at the end (high levels) once you do that content, there is nothing to do.  Would you buy a Mario game to simply fight the last boss and see teh credits?</DIV>

Xy
04-24-2005, 11:04 PM
<P>I'd really love to see the "Survey" they're going to take.LOL</P> <P>I can see the fine print now.</P> <P> </P> <P><FONT size=1>Survey conducted exclusively with people that love the idea of SOE Station Exchange.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=1>All other parties were not asked.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=1></FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=4>SOE:We got a 100% approval rating,we will be going through with the Exchange servers.</FONT></P>

Furt
04-25-2005, 06:01 PM
<div></div> As a matter of interest, I was <a href="http://eq2vault.ign.com" target="_blank">here</a> earlier today, and the poll THEY have had a total of 272 out 519 voters saying a distinct NO to exchange servers (at that time). If that's typical, and going by the posts I've seen on this thread, No is very typical in response to exchange servers, it does suggest that SOE's poll was either biased or pure BS. Apologies if the link has been mentioned anywhere else in this thread, I didn't have time to read every post here!<p>Message Edited by Furtim on <span class=date_text>04-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:06 AM</span>

Midgebil
05-11-2005, 03:22 PM
As a tier 5 alchemist, pre-tradeskill fuel costs / merchant sell back reductions, I had more money than I could ever need. Even with a few masters (not many for sale on my server for my class) and all adept 3's, I still never felt "uber". Fabled items were relatively rare, and I still only wear 2, not due to any money problem, but due to rarity of seeing them on either of the brokers. I still am not "uber" and another necromancer with subpar equipment and spells could still make me look like a newbie, since I can not master the same kiting / soloing skills etc. If everybody around me is buying plat on EQ2, and assuming they are spending thousands of dollars (yeah like every person who plays EQ2 is going to, or is willing to spend that much on this game for plat) to get this plat, they still may not be as good as the subpar equipped guy next to him who can play his character better. I still have more plat than I could need at level 47 with all adept 3's, and frankly I do not see any "god-like" advantage I have over another player of the same class and level. Give a level 50 character 200 plat, and give another one a raiding guild and see who becomes more uber in a months time. The only disadvantage I see to this plan that SOE has, is that it will split communities and such in the game, as those who do not want to be part of this, move servers. I hope I did not repeat anyone else's thoughts, as it is hard to read a thread filled with 80% flaming. <div></div>