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Eveningsong
01-19-2012, 11:02 PM
<p>Has anyone else noticed any issues with getting tokens when someone runs your dungeon?  I have two accounts, and every few days I run my dungeon on the 2nd account (which does not even have AoD) just so I can keep my dungeon with 1 Like, lol.  However, I've noticed that it seems that I only receive tokens the first time a toon runs the dungeon, not if they ever run it again.  Is this the way it is supposed to be?  I've had at a least a few other people run the dungeon (I was actually up to 2 likes at one point, woot!), but I have to wonder if they ever ran it more than once and I just didn't get tokens for it...  Not that 6 or 8 (with the bonus) tokens adds up to that much over time, but its a nice indicator that someone actually completed the dungeon, regardless of their voting. </p>

Feneant
01-20-2012, 07:17 AM
<p>That could be the case but it initially wasnt I believe as I had someone running mine a lot giving marks but it may be that different people ran it.  Honestly at this point I can't even say because people now only run the same dungeons from the hall of fame so I've only earnt 1 token in about 6 weeks and unpublished my dungeon last night.</p><p>It might not be such a downer but when I see that the top 2 dungeons are a 1 room dungeon with 20 mobs in the first room with the rest closed off and a dungeon with groups of 5 of the same mobs over and over and not a single decoration.</p><p>So much for trying <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Kenisha
01-21-2012, 11:13 AM
<p>I've noticed this exact thing. My husband has run my dungeon on his account a couple times but I only received tokens for the very first time he ran it. Very disappointing.</p>

apwyork
01-22-2012, 06:49 AM
<p>I know initially you got the bonus marks for every run by any character not on your account.  If that's no longer the case it would not surprise me if it's glitched up.   Just like exp is glitched in made dungeons. </p><p>Not sure why they are wasting time testing out adding player character ability into dungeon maker when they can't even get it working correctly as it was intended just using avatars.  All the problems combined with the limitations they imposed on the creativity processes have made this into little more than a pit stop to get enough marks for whatever items you want and no incentive whatsoever to put any time and detail into making an interesting dungeon.</p>

Breshegh
01-29-2012, 09:16 PM
<p>I took my dungeon off the Hall of Fame last night, made a bunch of changes and relisted it.</p><p>It has had 2 ratings since then, both of which ran the full dungeon and rated it (31 tokens base, plus the current bonus tokens).  I have ZERO tokens to claim, however, when I should have 7 or so from that?</p>

Cyliena
01-29-2012, 11:18 PM
<p>I think it's only unique likes as well.. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I was able to re-like one of my hubby's dungeons this evening but he received no tokens for it.</p>

msgnomer
01-30-2012, 09:46 AM
<p>I actually resigned in to respond to this.</p><p>I definitely think authors should get dungeon marks each time someone runs their dungeon.  If someone has a dungeon that's good enough to get repeat visitors, then they should get repeat marks.  A theater gets paid when a patron comes back to see a good movie, why not dungeon makers.</p><p>OK, so the token grind dungeons will get bonus marks, but so will the people who put time and effort into a dungeon to make it good enough to be entertaining multiple times.  I'm in fact diappointed that the authors of the dungeons I've visited multiple times don't get multiple bonuses.  These were often lesser known dungeons, as I tend to visit interesting sounding dungeons that don't look to have had many visitors.  Occasionally I have to bail, but often I find undicovered gems that are worth a repeat and I wish the author got rewarded for that.</p><p>I can see not handing up multiple likes, but don't see why authors shouldn't get rewarded for each run through their dungeon, no matter who it is.  That's my vote.</p>

Raknid
01-30-2012, 11:06 AM
<p><cite>msgnomer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I actually resigned in to respond to this.</p><p>I definitely think authors should get dungeon marks each time someone runs their dungeon.  If someone has a dungeon that's good enough to get repeat visitors, then they should get repeat marks.  A theater gets paid when a patron comes back to see a good movie, why not dungeon makers.</p><p>OK, so the token grind dungeons will get bonus marks, but so will the people who put time and effort into a dungeon to make it good enough to be entertaining multiple times.  I'm in fact diappointed that the authors of the dungeons I've visited multiple times don't get multiple bonuses.  These were often lesser known dungeons, as I tend to visit interesting sounding dungeons that don't look to have had many visitors.  Occasionally I have to bail, but often I find undicovered gems that are worth a repeat and I wish the author got rewarded for that.</p><p>I can see not handing up multiple likes, but don't see why authors shouldn't get rewarded for each run through their dungeon, no matter who it is.  That's my vote.</p></blockquote><p>Because if you had two accounts, or a buddy, you could run each others dungeons over and over and over and rack up tokens at an increased rate. Needs to be first time visits only so this doesn't turn into a token farm any more than it already is.</p>

msgnomer
01-30-2012, 01:38 PM
<p><cite>Raknid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>msgnomer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I actually resigned in to respond to this.</p><p>I definitely think authors should get dungeon marks each time someone runs their dungeon.  If someone has a dungeon that's good enough to get repeat visitors, then they should get repeat marks.  A theater gets paid when a patron comes back to see a good movie, why not dungeon makers.</p><p>OK, so the token grind dungeons will get bonus marks, but so will the people who put time and effort into a dungeon to make it good enough to be entertaining multiple times.  I'm in fact diappointed that the authors of the dungeons I've visited multiple times don't get multiple bonuses.  These were often lesser known dungeons, as I tend to visit interesting sounding dungeons that don't look to have had many visitors.  Occasionally I have to bail, but often I find undicovered gems that are worth a repeat and I wish the author got rewarded for that.</p><p>I can see not handing up multiple likes, but don't see why authors shouldn't get rewarded for each run through their dungeon, no matter who it is.  That's my vote.</p></blockquote><p>Because if you had two accounts, or a buddy, you could run each others dungeons over and over and over and rack up tokens at an increased rate. Needs to be first time visits only so this doesn't turn into a token farm any more than it already is.</p></blockquote><p>I just don't see this, for this reason:  If someone wants to farm tokens, there are far better ways to acquire tokens than to have someone run your dungeon repeatedly for the sole purpose of giving bonus marks to the builder.  If anyone wants tokens, it's more efficient just to run any dungeon and get the tokens directly.</p><p>It's not going to make much difference one way or another to the token grinders, but it does cut a modest bonus that a designer might get for a well designed dungeon worth a repeat visit.</p><p>Heck, if bonus's can't be changed to apply to every run through a dungeon, I'd be ok with having the sytem ask at the end if some small percentage of the tokens go to the dungeon designer.  I'd say yes if I enjoyed the dungeon.  (Yeah, I donate to Wiki too).  I'm grateful there are people designing the fun experience dungeons, and I'd like to see them continue to be rewarded.</p>

Raknid
01-30-2012, 01:50 PM
<p><cite>msgnomer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Raknid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>msgnomer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I actually resigned in to respond to this.</p><p>I definitely think authors should get dungeon marks each time someone runs their dungeon.  If someone has a dungeon that's good enough to get repeat visitors, then they should get repeat marks.  A theater gets paid when a patron comes back to see a good movie, why not dungeon makers.</p><p>OK, so the token grind dungeons will get bonus marks, but so will the people who put time and effort into a dungeon to make it good enough to be entertaining multiple times.  I'm in fact diappointed that the authors of the dungeons I've visited multiple times don't get multiple bonuses.  These were often lesser known dungeons, as I tend to visit interesting sounding dungeons that don't look to have had many visitors.  Occasionally I have to bail, but often I find undicovered gems that are worth a repeat and I wish the author got rewarded for that.</p><p>I can see not handing up multiple likes, but don't see why authors shouldn't get rewarded for each run through their dungeon, no matter who it is.  That's my vote.</p></blockquote><p>Because if you had two accounts, or a buddy, you could run each others dungeons over and over and over and rack up tokens at an increased rate. Needs to be first time visits only so this doesn't turn into a token farm any more than it already is.</p></blockquote><p>I just don't see this, for this reason:  If someone wants to farm tokens, there are far better ways to acquire tokens than to have someone run your dungeon repeatedly for the sole purpose of giving bonus marks to the builder.  If anyone wants tokens, it's more efficient just to run any dungeon and get the tokens directly.</p><p>It's not going to make much difference one way or another to the token grinders, but it does cut a modest bonus that a designer might get for a well designed dungeon worth a repeat visit.</p><p>Heck, if bonus's can't be changed to apply to every run through a dungeon, I'd be ok with having the sytem ask at the end if some small percentage of the tokens go to the dungeon designer.  I'd say yes if I enjoyed the dungeon.  (Yeah, I donate to Wiki too).  I'm grateful there are people designing the fun experience dungeons, and I'd like to see them continue to be rewarded.</p></blockquote><p>You didn't get what I was saying. If you got tokens for each run:</p><p>Player A builds dungeon</p><p>Player B builds dungeon</p><p>Player A runs player B's dungeon, gets tokens for themselves and some are awarded to player B</p><p>Player B runs player A's dungeon, gets tokens for themselves and some are awarded to player A</p><p>End result is that both get more tokens then they should by doing a t i t for tat.</p>

msgnomer
01-30-2012, 02:16 PM
<p>Yeah, I do get what your saying, Raknid.  However, I'm syaing that if they want to endure that sort of boredom for the excess handful of tokens, so what.  You get many more tokens for just running dungeons. </p><p>And to protect against those that want to grind ad naseum, you are punishing the designers who lovingly crafted a dungeon worth visiting multiple times.  They get very little thanks for this, and none at all when someone likes a dungeon enough to repeat visit.</p><p>Like I said, I'd even be ok with being given the option of giving up some my tokens as a runner to the person who designed the experience.  I'd want to do something to encourage them to design again.  This way, no extra tokens are being generated. </p>

Eveningsong
01-30-2012, 04:47 PM
<p>Wasn't that the whole point of the dungeon authors receiving tokens in the first place, though?  To encourage people to actually put a little thought and work into designing something interesting/challenginge, and then be rewarded if the dungeon turned out well enough that people would want to run it more than once.</p><p>If this isn't just a bug, and author tokens are only intended for a first time run, then why even bother with author token rewards?   All it does is confuse people -- authors, who wonder why they have votes but don't have any tokens, and players who are running dungeons and think that they are actually contributing to a dungeon designer by running a dungeon more than once. </p><p>Sure, an author will pick up a few extra tokens everytime their dungeon is run, but 5-8 tokens (or whatever the dungeon earns) is a pittance compared to the 50-80 they'd earn if they ran a dungeon themselves.  And having personally spent an awful lot of tokens to try to get specific spawners for a new dungeon, I would appreciate the small bonus <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</p>

IvyBlackrose
01-30-2012, 05:29 PM
you only get tokens when someone runs the dungeon for the first time ever

GrunEQ
01-30-2012, 07:51 PM
<p><cite>IvyBlackrose wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>you only get tokens when someone runs the dungeon for the first time ever</blockquote><p><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif; font-size: small;">That's such a rip off for designers, and not quite what we were lead to expect when told we would get tokens when others played our dungeon.</span></p>

Andemon
01-31-2012, 08:07 AM
<p><cite>IvyBlackrose wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>you only get tokens when someone runs the dungeon for the first time ever</blockquote><p>I'm not getting any tokens at all, not since I republished my dungeons...I thought it's because nobody's running them, but I completed one with a boxing account and still no tokens.</p><p>Maybe they have some kind of check in place that disqualifies alt accounts...but it seems more likely that something's not working right.</p>

Raknid
01-31-2012, 11:16 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>IvyBlackrose wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>you only get tokens when someone runs the dungeon for the first time ever</blockquote><p>I'm not getting any tokens at all, not since I republished my dungeons...I thought it's because nobody's running them, but I completed one with a boxing account and still no tokens.</p><p>Maybe they have some kind of check in place that disqualifies alt accounts...but it seems more likely that something's not working right.</p></blockquote><p>You mean it's possibly bugged and that is frustrating designers? Inconceivable. hehe.</p><p>Sorry, sorry couldnt resist.</p><p>If it isn't even working as it is intended to work (first time each new player runs gives tokens to creator) that is a whole nother ball of waz they need to get straightened out before they make any changes to the way tokens are rewarded.</p>

Harzel
02-01-2012, 03:08 AM
<p>My experience is that with a brand new dungeon, as was said, the author gets tokens only the first time someone runs the dungeon.  However, unpublishing/republishing seems to be a lose/lose proposition - the "likes" get reset, but the list of who has run the dungeon does not.  If it were not this way, it would be an easy end-run around the author only getting tokens the first time.  In an effort to avoid minor exploits at all costs, they have created a system that, IMO, sucks.</p><p>H.</p>

Whilhelmina
02-01-2012, 03:03 PM
<p>Yes, I don't know what the actual restriction is, but I don't think it's fair to have a restriction for decorators. I'm not really interested in running dungeons but interested in creating some and I thought we were supposed to be able to actually gain tokens to buy decorations through players running our dungeons <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

GrunEQ
02-01-2012, 09:40 PM
<p><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif; font-size: small;">Well on my server the high count, easy runs are the ones mostly making Hall of Fame.  </span></p><p><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; font-size: small;">Since my decorated dungeon did well, but did not win, I tweeked the dungeon with a few more and better placed mobs and more text-flavor.  However, I lost all my likes, and my dungeon went from top 5 to somewhere in the 30s.  If I lose all my likes, at least let people re-running the tweeked dungeon a chance to vote again.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; font-size: small;">I also resent having my hard work decorating a dungeon for an enjoyable experience having to compete with easy DMs dungeons.   They don't belong in the same catagory.   I don't mean to come off sour grapes, as I believe there is room for both types, they just need their own Halls of Fame.</span></p>

msgnomer
02-07-2012, 01:05 PM
<p>I just thought of another possible idea to throw out (does anyone read this stuff?)</p><p>What if a dungeon maker got dungeon marks for each time a player runs their dungeon with a different avatar? Maybe even give the runner a bonus for doing this too.   This would prevent infinite token run bonuses, but would provide a way to reward a dungeon maker of a dungeon worth repeating with extra marks.  It would also provide an extra incentive for collecting multiple avatars to play. </p>

Eveningsong
02-28-2012, 09:47 PM
<p>I don't think anyone does read it.  At any rate, other DM issues have been addressed since this post, but not this one.  Oh well, it was a nice concept, but kinda useless in practice if the author only receives tokens the first time a toon goes through.</p>

datashade
02-29-2012, 04:27 AM
<p><cite>GrunEQ wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif; font-size: small;">Well on my server the high count, easy runs are the ones mostly making Hall of Fame.  </span></p><p><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; font-size: small;">Since my decorated dungeon did well, but did not win, I tweeked the dungeon with a few more and better placed mobs and more text-flavor.  However, I lost all my likes, and my dungeon went from top 5 to somewhere in the 30s.  If I lose all my likes, at least let people re-running the tweeked dungeon a chance to vote again.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; font-size: small;">I also resent having my hard work decorating a dungeon for an enjoyable experience having to compete with easy DMs dungeons.   They don't belong in the same catagory.   I don't mean to come off sour grapes, as I believe there is room for both types, they just need their own Halls of Fame.</span></p></blockquote><p>Sure!  When you're setting up a guild - or at least setting up the recruitment page - you get to pick from categories describing what your guild is like.  Shouldn't be impossible to add the same thing for dungeons: story, challenge, solo, etc.</p>

Troy
03-01-2012, 03:05 PM
<p><cite>apwyork wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I know initially you got the bonus marks for every run by any character not on your account.  If that's no longer the case it would not surprise me if it's glitched up.   Just like exp is glitched in made dungeons. </p><p>Not sure why they are wasting time testing out adding player character ability into dungeon maker when they can't even get it working correctly as it was intended just using avatars.  All the problems combined with the limitations they imposed on the creativity processes have made this into little more than a pit stop to get enough marks for whatever items you want and no incentive whatsoever to put any time and detail into making an interesting dungeon.</p></blockquote><p>Dungeon Maker is just a marketing tool along with the incredible overpowered beastlord to lure players to the game - plain and simple. Adding your characters is just another marketing tool - too bad its way to late and actual player-base lost interest.</p>

Kyouri
04-17-2012, 03:46 PM
<p>Think it might be a little bugged tbh, a guildy of mine on AB ran my dungeon after I published it, and I got nada in the way of tokens. lol.</p>