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Proud_Silence
01-19-2012, 03:22 PM
<p>Seing how beastlords in far inferior gear are outparsing our best ranger and assassin in raids while being able to switch to support stance when needed, what is the point of Predators ? They offer extremely limited utility in exchange for top dps, but seems they lost that "advantage" ?</p><p>Kinda surprised there's no thread about BST dps, particularly as they become exponentially more powerful the better the gear. Back when Dirge Myth got nerfed i had the impression SoE is trying to keep classes balanced in terms of their dps : support ratio, and seing BST perform the way they are just leaves me puzzled.</p><p>HM geared BST keeping up or outparsing T1 dps classes in spiritual stance, and in feral winning with 100k+ difference. Leaves me with ambivalent feelings...</p>

Nrgy
01-19-2012, 03:29 PM
<p>Beastlords will be nerfed as soon as the ROI on AOD is realised.</p>

Scrag
01-19-2012, 03:30 PM
<p>It's not so bad. I mean, I've played a raid ranger for years (no HM gear), and our two-week old raid Beastlord (with his epic) is parsing 380k with a dirge while I am parsing 180k with a dirge. Seems fair to me.</p><p>Remember, the Beastlord Epic is a lvl 90 item with updated itemization. Presumably, in a year or two (ha!), when the updated class epics are put into the game that will add balance to the classes by raising their core abilities to meet and/or exceed those of Beastlords. I'd rather not see a swing of the nerf bat just because my favored class isn't the one who is benefitting at the moment. It took a lot of years for rangers to get their dps back, and even now we are not exactly wanted in groups; let alone raids.</p>

Elskidor
01-19-2012, 04:00 PM
<p>What's the point in T1 DPS classes I think you mean. Beastlord is it's own tier altogether. They are OP at all level tiers. They own T4 BGs easily. I've seen A Beastlord in Othmir gear/Thurg armor without any adorns pushing 75k at a PQ(outside of raid), and just adepts. </p>

Neskonlith
01-19-2012, 05:58 PM
<p>Whatever happened to the <em>"Greater Good of the game</em>" concept that was championed for gutting other classes?</p><p>After all, it wasn't very long ago that SOE went and "Bob Barker'd" dirges with a "fix" and parses dropped ~33% after being spayed/neutered - SOE obviously felt that was a key nerf that needed to be made mid-expansion.</p><p>Can SOE explain why highly versatile Beastlords are allowed to outshine dedicated, specialist T1 classes?</p><p>Are predators being revamped?  Are Beastlords broken like dirges were?  When can we expect to see an adjustment?</p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/0a4d7238daa496a758252d0a2b1a1384.gif" border="0" /></p>

Proud_Silence
01-19-2012, 06:15 PM
<p><cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Whatever happened to the <em>"Greater Good of the game</em>" concept that was championed for gutting other classes?</p><p>After all, it wasn't very long ago that SOE went and "Bob Barker'd" dirges with a "fix" and parses dropped ~33% after being spayed/neutered - SOE obviously felt that was a key nerf that needed to be made mid-expansion.</p><p>Can SOE explain why highly versatile Beastlords are allowed to outshine dedicated, specialist T1 classes?</p><p>Are predators being revamped?  Are Beastlords broken like dirges were?  When can we expect to see an adjustment?</p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/0a4d7238daa496a758252d0a2b1a1384.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Exactly</p><p>Would have liked to write something like this as OP if i was as eloquent in english :p</p><p>Anyhow, this hits the nail on the head spot on.</p>

Laeal
01-20-2012, 01:01 AM
<p><cite>Proud_Silence wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Whatever happened to the <em>"Greater Good of the game</em>" concept that was championed for gutting other classes?</p><p>After all, it wasn't very long ago that SOE went and "Bob Barker'd" dirges with a "fix" and parses dropped ~33% after being spayed/neutered - SOE obviously felt that was a key nerf that needed to be made mid-expansion.</p><p>Can SOE explain why highly versatile Beastlords are allowed to outshine dedicated, specialist T1 classes?</p><p>Are predators being revamped?  Are Beastlords broken like dirges were?  When can we expect to see an adjustment?</p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/0a4d7238daa496a758252d0a2b1a1384.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Exactly</p><p>Would have liked to write something like this as OP if i was as eloquent in english :p</p><p>Anyhow, this hits the nail on the head spot on.</p></blockquote><p>See Nrgy's response above for the answer to when BLs will be brought in-line.</p>

Valonia
01-20-2012, 05:59 AM
<p><cite>Nrgy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Beastlords will be nerfed as soon as the ROI on AOD is realised.</p></blockquote><p>If the sales on AoD really have been as lackluster as people make it out to be, then they'll very likely keep one of it's selling points at 'very interesting' levels for a looooooooooooooong time. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Griffildur
01-20-2012, 06:04 AM
<p>The Beastlords were the only selling point of AoD. Of course they had to be OP. Don't worry they will be nerfed in a couple of years.</p>

Odys
01-20-2012, 07:13 AM
<p>Not sure that a nerf will come soon, as long as BL is not free the class will be OP. As soon as SOE decide that 99% of the AOD are done  beastlords will be nerfed.</p><p>My 68 beastlord is outrageous, he is not even fun to play. Triviality is not fun.</p>

Raknid
01-20-2012, 10:38 AM
<p><cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> Can SOE explain why highly versatile Beastlords are allowed to outshine dedicated, specialist T1 classes?</p></blockquote><p>Because they have no, or very little, actual regard for the game and are simply concerned with making a quick buck. Everyone "knew" BLs were going to be stupid overpowered out of the gate simply because SOE wanted to sell "expansions." People were banking on that, it came to pass, and it is continuing to be allowed to fester because SOE doesn't want to tick off the people who bought the expansion simply for the class that they professed for years would never enter the game. It was a gimmick from day one and continues to be a gimmick.</p><p>However, they have really shot themselves in the foot here I think because of the imbalance. Leaving them where they are is going to exasperate non-BL customers...and they will leave. Or, they will literally have to perform an LU-13 style nerf of BLs like they did to Guardians if the class is going to be where it should be. That will totally tick off the people who have BLs and could lead to a decline in population similar to after LU13. They have put themselves in a spot where they are danged if the do and danged if they don't, but I really think they don't care about sub cancellations as they are banking on the "ohhh shiny" people to continue to buy reskinned armor sets and mounts, and are going to re-introduce "power" items on the SC side to make up for the loss.</p><p>People who want to play a balanced GAME with good content are going to be out of luck as they continue to pursue the cow clickers who do not have the self control or introspective ability to see how they are being herded.</p>

Gaealiege
01-20-2012, 01:02 PM
<p>The last line of Rak's post sums it up.</p>

tigressb
01-20-2012, 01:59 PM
<p>Just to point something out - the top beastlord parses being shown on flames are pushing the 500k mark.  Insane I know!  Top brigand parse shown on flames is 544k...I saw some 350k+ parses in the assassin thread but there's not parses shown from some players.  The swash parse thread hasn't been updated since November lol.  Rangers show some 400k+ parses. </p><p>I think the problem arises because so many predators have been coasting with their dps and now players who are more skilled and yes, playing a powerful class are showing them up.  I've seen some amazing beastlord parses, and for every great one I've seen I've seen 10 that are horrible and parse below dirges.  Once these horrible players get frustrated with not being able to complete their epic and quit perhaps the devs will see some proper data about BL numbers and do some adjusting at that point.</p>

hoosierdaddy
01-20-2012, 02:30 PM
<p><cite>Raknid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>People who want to play a balanced GAME with good content are going to be out of luck <strong>as they continue to pursue the cow clickers who do not have the self control or introspective ability to see how they are being herded</strong>.</p></blockquote><p>^^^ This. SOE are shameless in this regard, however, and will never feel compassionate about swindling the next rube.</p>

Neskonlith
01-20-2012, 02:51 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've seen some amazing beastlord parses, and for every great one I've seen I've seen 10 that are horrible and parse below dirges.</p></blockquote><p>Many times before the excuse of "<em>only a small handful of exceptional players parse that high and the rest are horrible</em>" has been used, over and over, in an attempt to convince SOE not to nerf whichever class was set up to get fixed... Dirges just happen to be the most recent, and I think they tried to use that very same logic at in at least half a dozen posts in their various anti-nerf threads.</p><p>If this excuse has never been acceptable to SOE the many times it was used, why should it suddenly work for Beastlords?</p>

Gilasil
01-20-2012, 03:20 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just to point something out - the top beastlord parses being shown on flames are pushing the 500k mark.  Insane I know!  Top brigand parse shown on flames is 544k...I saw some 350k+ parses in the assassin thread but there's not parses shown from some players.  The swash parse thread hasn't been updated since November lol.  Rangers show some 400k+ parses. </p><p>I think the problem arises because so many predators have been coasting with their dps and now players who are more skilled and yes, playing a powerful class are showing them up.  I've seen some amazing beastlord parses, and for every great one I've seen I've seen 10 that are horrible and parse below dirges.  Once these horrible players get frustrated with not being able to complete their epic and quit perhaps the devs will see some proper data about BL numbers and do some adjusting at that point.</p><p>This was the only reply I saw which really provided numbers for multiple cases.</p></blockquote><p>This is the only reply which provides NUMBERS for multiple cases.  Saying that "oh that BL is doing too much damage" is not really useful. </p><p>Do not forget that the beastlord was INTENDED to do T1 DPS.   Even this doesn't appear to sample enough cases unless you think it's ok for brigands to outparse assassins.  Basically there's a lot of scatter, probably because of a small sample size. </p><p>I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually tone down beastlords a little which is fine by me.  But as long as they're intended to be T1 DPS don't expect it to be very much.  Beastlords will ALWAYS be heavy hitters.</p><p>My impression from past experience is SoE usually holds off on class adjustments until the next expansion so next fall or so.  This will also let them monitor the game for awhile and see how things are playing out.  But don't expect to outparse a comparably equipped and played beastlord with your mystic anytime soon.</p>

Chronus1
01-20-2012, 03:35 PM
<p>Difference is other classes do 400k+ on the massive aoe fights such as the trash waves before Taaltak.</p><p>Beastlords do 400k on Ragebourne gregor haldane... most mobs you're hitting at once is 2, possibly 3 if you outgear the fight enough to pull it in a certain way.</p><p>A beastlord with SF shoulders and some easy mode pieces going up against fully hard mode geared dpsers and winning the majority of the parses, once geared switching to utility stance because they're taking too much aggro in dps stance... needs a nerf.</p>

Kizee
01-20-2012, 03:48 PM
<p><cite>Gilasil wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just to point something out - the top beastlord parses being shown on flames are pushing the 500k mark.  Insane I know!  Top brigand parse shown on flames is 544k...I saw some 350k+ parses in the assassin thread but there's not parses shown from some players.  The swash parse thread hasn't been updated since November lol.  Rangers show some 400k+ parses. </p><p>I think the problem arises because so many predators have been coasting with their dps and now players who are more skilled and yes, playing a powerful class are showing them up.  I've seen some amazing beastlord parses, and for every great one I've seen I've seen 10 that are horrible and parse below dirges.  Once these horrible players get frustrated with not being able to complete their epic and quit perhaps the devs will see some proper data about BL numbers and do some adjusting at that point.</p><p>This was the only reply I saw which really provided numbers for multiple cases.</p></blockquote><p>This is the only reply which provides NUMBERS for multiple cases.  Saying that "oh that BL is doing too much damage" is not really useful. </p><p>Do not forget that the beastlord was INTENDED to do T1 DPS.   Even this doesn't appear to sample enough cases unless you think it's ok for brigands to outparse assassins.  Basically there's a lot of scatter, probably because of a small sample size. </p><p>I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually tone down beastlords a little which is fine by me.  But as long as they're intended to be T1 DPS don't expect it to be very much.  Beastlords will ALWAYS be heavy hitters.</p><p>My impression from past experience is SoE usually holds off on class adjustments until the next expansion so next fall or so.  This will also let them monitor the game for awhile and see how things are playing out.  But don't expect to outparse a comparably equipped and played beastlord with your mystic anytime soon.</p></blockquote><p>They are T1 dps when they are in spiritual stance....when they arein feral they are in a class of their own. (outparsing other t1 dps classes by 100k or more)</p>

Nrgy
01-20-2012, 04:04 PM
<p><cite>Chronus1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Difference is other classes do 400k+ on the massive aoe fights such as the trash waves before Taaltak.</p><p>Beastlords do 400k on Ragebourne gregor haldane... most mobs you're hitting at once is 2, possibly 3 if you outgear the fight enough to pull it in a certain way.</p><p>A beastlord with SF shoulders and some easy mode pieces going up against fully hard mode geared dpsers and winning the majority of the parses, once geared switching to utility stance because they're taking too much aggro in dps stance... needs a nerf.</p></blockquote><p>I am certain posts can be rephrased in a way that still gets a point across without blantantly violating the forum guidelines and potentially shtting down a good thread for information purposes.  Which CA abilities are producing higher than expected results?</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=499935">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=499935</a></p><p><strong>3)</strong> <strong>Do not troll or make personal attacks</strong> - Trolling and attacking others is not allowed on SOE Forums or other SOE-maintained communication channels.</p><ul type="disc"><li>Trolling is posting provocatively with reasonable expectation of provoking an emotional response (intentional or not). Trolling can include. <ul><li>Non-constructive feedback or comments. </li><li><span style="color: #ff0000;">Nerf Calls - Openly calling for "Nerfs" (blanket reductions to abilities) is not allowed. If you feel something is overpowered or needs to be toned back, post your constructive comments and explanations. </span></li><li>Accusing Others of Trolling - Calling someone a troll or accusing them of trolling is a form of trolling in and of itself. If you feel someone is behaving in a manner not consistent with these rules, please use the "Report this post to a Moderator" function on the forums. Do not respond to or quote the person exhibiting these behaviors as this is often the very response the person misbehaving was looking for.</li></ul></li></ul>

Raknid
01-20-2012, 04:08 PM
<p><cite>Nrgy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Chronus1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Difference is other classes do 400k+ on the massive aoe fights such as the trash waves before Taaltak.</p><p>Beastlords do 400k on Ragebourne gregor haldane... most mobs you're hitting at once is 2, possibly 3 if you outgear the fight enough to pull it in a certain way.</p><p>A beastlord with SF shoulders and some easy mode pieces going up against fully hard mode geared dpsers and winning the majority of the parses, once geared switching to utility stance because they're taking too much aggro in dps stance... needs a nerf.</p></blockquote><p>I am certain posts can be rephrased in a way that still gets a point across without blantantly violating the forum guidelines and potentially shtting down a good thread for information purposes.  Which CA abilities are producing higher than expected results?</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=499935">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=499935</a></p><p><strong>3)</strong> <strong>Do not troll or make personal attacks</strong> - Trolling and attacking others is not allowed on SOE Forums or other SOE-maintained communication channels.</p><ul type="disc"><li>Trolling is posting provocatively with reasonable expectation of provoking an emotional response (intentional or not). Trolling can include. <ul><li>Non-constructive feedback or comments. </li><li><span style="color: #ff0000;">Nerf Calls - Openly calling for "Nerfs" (blanket reductions to abilities) is not allowed. If you feel something is overpowered or needs to be toned back, post your constructive comments and explanations. </span></li><li>Accusing Others of Trolling - Calling someone a troll or accusing them of trolling is a form of trolling in and of itself. If you feel someone is behaving in a manner not consistent with these rules, please use the "Report this post to a Moderator" function on the forums. Do not respond to or quote the person exhibiting these behaviors as this is often the very response the person misbehaving was looking for.</li></ul></li></ul></blockquote><p>Good lord. Are you designated Forum Police today? Trying to get to be a volunteer mod or soemthing? Give it a break. Your insecurity is showing with the blatant grasp at power.</p>

Nrgy
01-20-2012, 04:30 PM
<p><cite>Raknid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Good lord. Are you designated Forum Police today? Trying to get to be a volunteer mod or soemthing? Give it a break. Your insecurity is showing with the blatant grasp at power.</blockquote><p>We are all under the same guidelines and all expected to follow the honor system in regards to those which we agreed too.  But, I assure you, nobody in this thread wants to be a volunteer guide, nor do I think you would actually want any of them to be one either.</p><p><strong>3)</strong> <strong>Do not troll or make personal attacks</strong> - Trolling and attacking others is not allowed on SOE Forums or other SOE-maintained communication channels.</p><ul type="disc"><li>Personal attacks - Do not insult, degrade or criticize any person or group of people. Personal attacks are hurtful, often lead to response in kind and destroy useful discussion. <ul><li>Examples of personal attacks include calling someone stupid, saying "You suck," "I wish you would die," or "You should be fired." </li><li>Attacking groups of people, companies, and other countries is similarly prohibited. </li><li>Attacks specifically regarding race, religion or sexual orientation are grounds for immediate suspension or banning.</li></ul></li></ul>

Raknid
01-20-2012, 04:33 PM
<p><cite>Nrgy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Raknid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Good lord. Are you designated Forum Police today? Trying to get to be a volunteer mod or soemthing? Give it a break. Your insecurity is showing with the blatant grasp at power.</blockquote><p>We are all under the same guidelines and all expected to follow the honor system in regards to those which we agreed too.  But, I assure you, nobody in this thread wants to be a volunteer guide, nor do I think you would actually want any of them to be one either.</p><p><strong>3)</strong> <strong>Do not troll or make personal attacks</strong> - Trolling and attacking others is not allowed on SOE Forums or other SOE-maintained communication channels.</p><ul type="disc"><li>Personal attacks - Do not insult, degrade or criticize any person or group of people. Personal attacks are hurtful, often lead to response in kind and destroy useful discussion. <ul><li>Examples of personal attacks include calling someone stupid, saying "You suck," "I wish you would die," or "You should be fired." </li><li>Attacking groups of people, companies, and other countries is similarly prohibited. </li><li>Attacks specifically regarding race, religion or sexual orientation are grounds for immediate suspension or banning.</li></ul></li></ul></blockquote><p>rolls eyes, there you go again Mr. Voluteer Moderator Wannabe...and I say that with sincere niceness. Why don;t you just embrace that title since that seems to be what you are going after. It isnt a personal attack at all, simply an observation.</p><p>Putting your nose where it doesn't belong once? Can write that off.</p><p>Twice. that is pushing it.</p><p>Going of four or five times now...that makes me call it like I see it.</p><p>You need to be reeled in.</p>

Nrgy
01-20-2012, 04:45 PM
<p>The guidelines are not that difficult to understand are they?  I have not seen one specific outline of what makes the beastlords overpowered in this thread and calling for a blanket nerf is not only bad for the game in general terms it is, you guessed it, against the forum guidelines. </p><p>Here is what this thread is saying ... Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Beastlords they are overpowered!</p><p>Here is what you are saying  ... Yes, I agree, Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf OP Beastlords, and anyone that doesn't agree with me is a volunteer troll wana-be forum mod.</p><p>I am not the one that was cross-posting from locked threads today.  Worst of which is that thread was not even worth cross-posting about.  OOoo no! another "SC will kill this game" thread.  Awesome, only this time they brought in the big-gun dropping the God card.  I ignored it at first becasue it was so tired and LOL'ed when it was locked for religion that is did not contain, but then Cross-posting it within 2 minutes of the originals lock?  Really?</p><p>Yes, SOE is spending too much time on SC fluff and not fixing enough mechanics or itemization.  Yes, Beastlords are overpowered (becasue they make AOD sales).  We all know it, but that locked thread or this Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf  thread is not getting the point across. </p><p>~Sorry</p>

ranga
01-20-2012, 07:44 PM
<p><cite>Nrgy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Chronus1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Difference is other classes do 400k+ on the massive aoe fights such as the trash waves before Taaltak.</p><p>Beastlords do 400k on Ragebourne gregor haldane... most mobs you're hitting at once is 2, possibly 3 if you outgear the fight enough to pull it in a certain way.</p><p>A beastlord with SF shoulders and some easy mode pieces going up against fully hard mode geared dpsers and winning the majority of the parses, once geared switching to utility stance because they're taking too much aggro in dps stance... needs a nerf.</p></blockquote><p>I am certain posts can be rephrased in a way that still gets a point across without blantantly violating the forum guidelines and potentially shtting down a good thread for information purposes.  Which CA abilities are producing higher than expected results?</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=499935">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=499935</a></p><p><strong>3)</strong> <strong>Do not troll or make personal attacks</strong> - Trolling and attacking others is not allowed on SOE Forums or other SOE-maintained communication channels.</p><ul type="disc"><li>Trolling is posting provocatively with reasonable expectation of provoking an emotional response (intentional or not). Trolling can include. <ul><li>Non-constructive feedback or comments. </li><li><span style="color: #ff0000;">Nerf Calls - Openly calling for "Nerfs" (blanket reductions to abilities) is not allowed. If you feel something is overpowered or needs to be toned back, post your constructive comments and explanations. </span></li><li><strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Accusing Others of Trolling - Calling someone a troll or accusing them of trolling is a form of trolling in and of itself. If you feel someone is behaving in a manner not consistent with these rules, please use the "Report this post to a Moderator" function on the forums. Do not respond to or quote the person exhibiting these behaviors as this is often the very response the person misbehaving was looking for.</span></em></strong></li></ul></li></ul></blockquote><p>I read this and I had to laugh. Please see the last bullet that I highlighted.</p><p>For the record, I don't think BL need to be nerfed, let ppl have some fun with them. It may even be that OP BL are exactly what SOE intended when they created HM Drunder-they may be the key to the door of PoW.</p><p>But Internet policemen and and Internet spelling police really irritate me.</p>

Shawnyve
01-21-2012, 03:14 PM
<p><cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've seen some amazing beastlord parses, and for every great one I've seen I've seen 10 that are horrible and parse below dirges.</p></blockquote><p>Many times before the excuse of "<em>only a small handful of exceptional players parse that high and the rest are horrible</em>" has been used, over and over, in an attempt to convince SOE not to nerf whichever class was set up to get fixed... Dirges just happen to be the most recent, and I think they tried to use that very same logic at in at least half a dozen posts in their various anti-nerf threads.</p><p>If this excuse has never been acceptable to SOE the many times it was used, why should it suddenly work for Beastlords?</p></blockquote><p>Beastlords need love.</p><p>I mean, I was out levelling with my BL the other day and I died to some mobs. What's up with that?!?</p><p>We could also use a decent AOE group heal and cure to make us more wanted in groups, since we've still got that "solo class" stigma from EQ. Not saying as good as a Priest or Druid, just almost. DPS is ok, but we fight for armor with other scouts. A good fix would be to let us wear vanguard and plate. Put in some crafting recipes for high +agi and everyone wins.</p><p>You pay $40 to be able to play a class, you kind of expect it to rock, ya feel me?</p><p>Maybe that could be the new pattern for class adjustments. Put one class into each "feature pack". Those happy with the class as it is don't need to buy anything, while those who want the "class revamp" could pick up the "expansion".</p>

Grumble69
01-22-2012, 02:46 PM
<p>What's the point in predators?!  Well, try walking a mile in a rogue's shoes. </p>

kelvmor
01-22-2012, 03:03 PM
<p>I still think Assassinate should work like Devastation Fist.</p>

Elskidor
01-23-2012, 10:51 PM
<p><cite>Shawnyve wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've seen some amazing beastlord parses, and for every great one I've seen I've seen 10 that are horrible and parse below dirges.</p></blockquote><p>Many times before the excuse of "<em>only a small handful of exceptional players parse that high and the rest are horrible</em>" has been used, over and over, in an attempt to convince SOE not to nerf whichever class was set up to get fixed... Dirges just happen to be the most recent, and I think they tried to use that very same logic at in at least half a dozen posts in their various anti-nerf threads.</p><p>If this excuse has never been acceptable to SOE the many times it was used, why should it suddenly work for Beastlords?</p></blockquote><p>Beastlords need love.</p><p>I mean, I was out levelling with my BL the other day and I died to some mobs. What's up with that?!?</p><p>We could also use a decent AOE group heal and cure to make us more wanted in groups, since we've still got that "solo class" stigma from EQ. Not saying as good as a Priest or Druid, just almost. DPS is ok, but we fight for armor with other scouts. A good fix would be to let us wear vanguard and plate. Put in some crafting recipes for high +agi and everyone wins.</p><p>You pay $40 to be able to play a class, you kind of expect it to rock, ya feel me?</p><p>Maybe that could be the new pattern for class adjustments. Put one class into each "feature pack". Those happy with the class as it is don't need to buy anything, while those who want the "class revamp" could pick up the "expansion".</p></blockquote><p>Just let the other scouts loot it. Go ahead and gear up in some heroic and TSA gear and you'll still be in the top parse. Heck, my BL is never gonna wear a chestpiece and will still rock everyone's socks! How OP is your Beastlord today?</p>

Brigh
01-23-2012, 11:37 PM
<p><cite>Proud_Silence wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffffff; font-size: 22px; font-weight: bold; line-height: 27px; text-align: -webkit-left; background-color: #2c2922;">what's the point in Predators ?</span></p></blockquote><p>To have a good time hunting aliens?</p>