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Odys
12-28-2011, 12:04 PM
<p>Surprising, not only that but his reactives even is tagged adept are as powerfull than the expert of my inquisitor. I enjoy stomper but providing groupwide tenacity is quite too much.</p>

Luterin
12-28-2011, 02:07 PM
<p>Anyone who spend a little time getting gear or is willing to put up some plat will have their tenacity group wide aswell, so I don't see the problem.</p>

Cocytus
12-28-2011, 02:19 PM
<p>No it's not. Most inquisitors at 90 have their enervated.</p><p>And it heals for more so that they can compete with other players - and fyi, mercs I've seen have all experts, not ADEPTS.</p><p>Why do they have such huge numbers to compete with other players? Because players have crit, crit bonus, ability mod, and AAs.</p><p>So you're still going to heal better. The ONLY thing a merc might have on a player is that they auto attack harder than your average non-super-geared player.</p>

Raknid
12-28-2011, 02:21 PM
<p><cite>Cocytus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>And it heals for more so that they can compete with other players - and fyi, mercs I've seen have all experts, not ADEPTS.</p></blockquote><p>Healers specifically were given adept only.</p>

Banditman
12-28-2011, 02:54 PM
<p>If the merc Inquisitor is out healing a player, you've got a BAD player.  I mean, epic bad.  EPIC.  BAD.</p>

Onorem
12-28-2011, 03:22 PM
<p>The annoying is still out in full force, but Gorock is at least trying to nerf NPCs instead of players. It's a step in the right direction.</p>

Odys
12-28-2011, 04:51 PM
<p>As alway the fanboys here refuse to get the obvious facts, with stomper nobody needs a healer anymore till 80-85. Yes i will rather get a groupwide tenacity than a real inquisitor.</p><p>I m not speaking about the level 90 game, stomper won't keep alive  a non healer even in ascent.</p><p>The problem is not a dumb mercenary competing with a human healer at 90, this won't happen. The problem is about getting a game in which healer will gradually dissapear.</p><p>Why would you play a slow priest when any class can get free heals and cures?</p>

Raknid
12-28-2011, 04:55 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As alway the fanboys here refuse to get the obvious facts, with stomper nobody needs a healer anymore till 80-85. Yes i will rather get a groupwide tenacity than a real inquisitor.</p><p>I m not speaking about the level 90 game, stomper won't keep alive  a non healer even in ascent.</p><p>The problem is not a dumb mercenary competing with a human healer at 90, this won't happen. The problem is about getting a game in which healer will gradually dissapear.</p><p>Why would you play a slow priest when any class can get free heals and cures?</p></blockquote><p>If you are a good healer I don't think you are going to have problems getting a group with people who like to group.</p>

Banditman
12-28-2011, 05:02 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As alway the fanboys here refuse to get the obvious facts, with stomper nobody needs a healer anymore till 80-85.</p></blockquote><p>No one needed a healer for leveling already!  This is not a new development.  I managed to level three mages, three fighters and one bard to level cap without a healer.  I could certainly level the other Scouts as well if I really wanted to.</p><p>The only "obvious fact" I can ascertain here is that you have a burr up your trousers about a terrible bot healer getting a buff that every other Inquisitor in the game already has.  If you *really* want to get up in arms about something, how about taking on the problem of those healers who do NOT have their single target buff converted to a group buff.  There's an actual problem for you.</p>

Odys
12-28-2011, 06:24 PM
<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As alway the fanboys here refuse to get the obvious facts, with stomper nobody needs a healer anymore till 80-85.</p></blockquote><p>No one needed a healer for leveling already!  This is not a new development.  I managed to level three mages, three fighters and one bard to level cap without a healer.  I could certainly level the other Scouts as well if I really wanted to.</p><p>The only "obvious fact" I can ascertain here is that you have a burr up your trousers about a terrible bot healer getting a buff that every other Inquisitor in the game already has.  If you *really* want to get up in arms about something, how about taking on the problem of those healers who do NOT have their single target buff converted to a group buff.  There's an actual problem for you.</p></blockquote><p>Are you joking ? No inquisitor get groupwide tenacity before he gets his mythical. And don't tell me about people without their converted weapon i can validate the quest till Vd3 with a naked level 85 and for Vd3 I simply need a partner. And many classes can certainly solo Vd3. I do not count anymore how many ennervated quest i helped to validate.</p><p>I m talking about the trip to 90, not about the 90 or 80 game.</p><p>I soloed all heroic content while yellow and white with my paladin, so yes healers were already redundant but you needed skill and specific classes. Obviously i was not talking about leveling doing solo content since that has always been possible and easy.</p><p>What you don't get is that nobody needs a healer (even a good one) before 90.</p><p>So basically we have a game in which healers are useless till 89, then they become important. This does not affect me much i have 2 level 90 healers that are properly geared. But the future is clear, less and less healers will be created.</p><p>Why would i bother playing a healer when a 33 BL does almost 800 dps zone wide ?</p>

Banditman
12-28-2011, 07:04 PM
<p>The point you are not getting is that no one needs a healer pre-90 ALREADY.  There is almost ZERO grouping pre-90.  NONE.  You're trying to make a mountain out of a grain of sand.  AGAIN.</p>

Deago
12-28-2011, 07:38 PM
<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The point you are not getting is that no one needs a healer pre-90 ALREADY.  There is almost ZERO grouping pre-90.  NONE.  You're trying to make a mountain out of a grain of sand.  AGAIN.</p></blockquote><p>Indeed.  Grouping pre-90 is just silly anyway because at 90 you can just about solo (without merc) anything lower for your aa...gear from lower zones is just terrible at 90....and the exp solo mode on your way to 90 is much better then even grouping so why even care from 1-89 about group content.</p><p>You could pull the rp or the its a mmorpg card but your still in a very small % then thus your chances to find a group are still small <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>If I had it my way teh tank merc would be superman from 1-89 and (yes it can be done via algorithm) at 90+ dungeons it would be average due to mechanics and you would still want a real tank then etc..</p><p>my 2 cents.</p>

MadTexan
12-28-2011, 09:46 PM
<p><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Are you joking ? No inquisitor get groupwide tenacity before he gets his mythical.</p></blockquote></p><p>Since when is groupwide tenacity dependant on having the fabled, mythical or enervated epic?</p><p>If you wanted, your inquisitor can have groupwide tenacity the instant you hit level 80 = much sooner than you can get your epic starter to drop.</p><p><span style="font-size: 11px;"><strong><em></em></strong></span></p>

Mohee
12-28-2011, 09:57 PM
<p>I was just in a group with my 63 Fury. Queued up for the Dungeon Finder and got placed in a group with only 2 people, and they're both lvl 60 necromancers.</p><p>Eventually, after waiting about 10 minutes for reinforcements, we got 1 more person. A lvl 63 shadowknight with an Inquisitor Merc.</p><p>Now, my Fury is my twink character, wearing all Legendary/Fabled gear and completely adorned with lots of AA's for her level. At 63 I have about 11khp and 10k mana self buffed. This 63 inquis merc had 21k hp! And just as much mana! </p><p>Doesn't this seem a little overpowered?</p>

Odys
12-28-2011, 10:28 PM
<p><cite>Mohee wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I was just in a group with my 63 Fury. Queued up for the Dungeon Finder and got placed in a group with only 2 people, and they're both lvl 60 necromancers.</p><p>Eventually, after waiting about 10 minutes for reinforcements, we got 1 more person. A lvl 63 shadowknight with an Inquisitor Merc.</p><p>Now, my Fury is my twink character, wearing all Legendary/Fabled gear and completely adorned with lots of AA's for her level. At 63 I have about 11khp and 10k mana self buffed. This 63 inquis merc had 21k hp! And just as much mana! </p><p>Doesn't this seem a little overpowered?</p></blockquote><p>Amusing <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I forgot to mention that my dear partnet Stomper has almost 6K hp at 33. It is way more than what my 35 test-inqui has.</p><p>I checked about the groupwide tenacity, it's neither on the mythical in the aas. <strong> Indeed the level 33 Stomper already got some T8 raid gear </strong>since tenacity groupwide come from such items.</p>

Brigh
12-29-2011, 02:35 AM
Mercs are level 90s mentoring down.

Felshades
12-29-2011, 05:35 AM
<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The point you are not getting is that no one needs a healer pre-90 ALREADY.  There is almost ZERO grouping pre-90.  NONE.  You're trying to make a mountain out of a grain of sand.  AGAIN.</p></blockquote><p>Exactly.</p><p>The only thing the merc is useful for is cures. And I can do that with pots.</p>

DiaBC
12-29-2011, 05:36 AM
<p><cite>Brigh wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Mercs are level 90s mentoring down.</blockquote><p>This...^ and to the superman...you can have it now... you can rename your merc you know... <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

DiaBC
12-29-2011, 05:38 AM
<p><cite>Felshades wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The point you are not getting is that no one needs a healer pre-90 ALREADY.  There is almost ZERO grouping pre-90.  NONE.  You're trying to make a mountain out of a grain of sand.  AGAIN.</p></blockquote><p>Exactly.</p><p>The only thing the merc is useful for is cures. And I can do that with pots.</p></blockquote><p>Not true...mercs are good for killing keymobs,can't cure Mandate debuff with pots... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Odys
12-29-2011, 02:10 PM
<p><cite>Brigh wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Mercs are level 90s mentoring down.</blockquote><p>Indeed level 33 stomper  uses tenacity 9.</p><p>So stomper is mentoring down my beastie and has raid gear. I m sure he bougth most of is gear because he was even too lazy to get his mythical, or if he got it he never heard about the clicky cure ...lazy ratonga <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>At 90 he performs very badly, but he could probably get a spot (as buf & cure bot) in a raid farming the easy mod.</p><p>Anyway i see stomper as a strong incentive to play dps classes, especially melee. Why would you play a healer if you need to wait level 90 to be of any use ?</p><hr />

Raknid
12-29-2011, 02:19 PM
<p><cite>Brigh wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Mercs are level 90s mentoring down.</blockquote><p>Can't be emphasized enough.</p><p>Last week I wanted to see how they worked, so I snuck into FP and hired the Brig merc for my tank. He had 23k hitpoints at level 60 and hit like a mack track.</p>