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PotatoeGuru
12-28-2011, 04:50 AM
<p>Now that the expansion has been out awhile and flying has been made common place (dare I say, trivial) via SC mounts/veteran rewards/racial flight quests, please consider removing the daily timesinks in the griffawn quests. I am asking not so much for they flying reward, but more for the questlines that follow.</p><p>I'm only my tenth toon and I'd really like a break! <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Bawang
12-28-2011, 04:59 AM
<p>The five day waiting period was put in specifically so that your only other choice would be to buy a mount via the station cash store.  Given this, what do you think the odds are that they'll eliminate it?</p>

Absyntheea
12-28-2011, 09:17 AM
<p>Fae can fly without the waiting period too. At this point, the only flight with a waiting period is griffons and bat swarms.</p>

Kizee
12-28-2011, 10:01 AM
<p><cite>Bawang wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The five day waiting period was put in specifically so that your only other choice would be to buy a mount via the station cash store.  Given this, what do you think the odds are that they'll eliminate it?</p></blockquote><p>You are wrong....considering that there were no other flying mounts (station store or otherwise) at the time they released dov. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Nice try though.</p>

Properman
12-28-2011, 10:10 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bawang wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The five day waiting period was put in specifically so that your only other choice would be to buy a mount via the station cash store.  Given this, what do you think the odds are that they'll eliminate it?</p></blockquote><p>You are wrong....considering that there were no other flying mounts (station store or otherwise) at the time they released dov. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Nice try though.</p></blockquote><p>Oh come on, how naive are you?  You dont think they planed ahead?</p>

Mohee
12-28-2011, 10:11 AM
<p>I already got my flying mounts. But I would not object to removing the wait period between training quests for the Griffon.</p>

Raknid
12-28-2011, 10:29 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bawang wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The five day waiting period was put in specifically so that your only other choice would be to buy a mount via the station cash store.  Given this, what do you think the odds are that they'll eliminate it?</p></blockquote><p>You are wrong....considering that there were no other flying mounts (station store or otherwise) at the time they released dov. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Nice try though.</p></blockquote><p>You think they just wing it? (pun intended)</p><p>I agree, aiting period should be removed.</p><p>edit: nm. I see someone else had already addressed the planning. (remember folks....monetized design. Things are put in the game to sell more things later. Good or bad as you may see it, it is what it is.)</p>

Ahlana
12-28-2011, 10:38 AM
<p><cite>Properman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bawang wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The five day waiting period was put in specifically so that your only other choice would be to buy a mount via the station cash store.  Given this, what do you think the odds are that they'll eliminate it?</p></blockquote><p>You are wrong....considering that there were no other flying mounts (station store or otherwise) at the time they released dov. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Nice try though.</p></blockquote><p>Oh come on, how naive are you?  You dont think they planed ahead?</p></blockquote><p>Um... did you forget the Flying mount that you can get with only 500 Dungeon Tokens? Bout 3 or less hours of work.</p><p>Yeah... the waiting period was not put in to make money as there are free alternatives to buying one or waiting for one.</p><p>It is indeed time to get rid of it</p>

Raknid
12-28-2011, 10:42 AM
<p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Properman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bawang wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The five day waiting period was put in specifically so that your only other choice would be to buy a mount via the station cash store.  Given this, what do you think the odds are that they'll eliminate it?</p></blockquote><p>You are wrong....considering that there were no other flying mounts (station store or otherwise) at the time they released dov. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Nice try though.</p></blockquote><p>Oh come on, how naive are you?  You dont think they planed ahead?</p></blockquote><p>Um... did you forget the Flying mount that you can get with only 500 Dungeon Tokens? Bout 3 or less hours of work.</p><p>Yeah... the waiting period was not put in to make money as there are free alternatives to buying one or waiting for one.</p><p>It is indeed time to get rid of it</p></blockquote><p>Having people run player made dungeons only reinforces the desire of the dungeon designers to make more/better dungeons. What is it they sell for SC now?</p>

Mohee
12-28-2011, 11:08 AM
<p>You also need AoD to get Dungeon Marks to buy the mount from doing Player Made Dungeons. You can play through Player Made Dungeons without AoD, but you recieve no rewards for doing them.</p><p>There's still a lot of people out there who have DoV, but don't own AoD. To a lot of people, the AoD feature pack is still not worth it.</p>

ObsidianNightmare
12-28-2011, 11:11 AM
<p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Properman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bawang wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The five day waiting period was put in specifically so that your only other choice would be to buy a mount via the station cash store.  Given this, what do you think the odds are that they'll eliminate it?</p></blockquote><p>You are wrong....considering that there were no other flying mounts (station store or otherwise) at the time they released dov. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Nice try though.</p></blockquote><p>Oh come on, how naive are you?  You dont think they planed ahead?</p></blockquote><p>Um... did you forget the Flying mount that you can get with only 500 Dungeon Tokens? Bout 3 or less hours of work.</p><p>Yeah... the waiting period was not put in to make money as there are free alternatives to buying one or waiting for one.</p><p>It is indeed time to get rid of it</p></blockquote><p>It's funny how the passage of time distorts reality and truth.  There was no free alternative when the 5 day quest series was put in. In fact there wasn't a Marketplace alternative until June. <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=501461">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=501461</a></p><p>To this day there is still no logical or reasonable explanation behind the 5 day lockout. Theories abound. My theory is that it was put in to frustrate people enough to eventually buy the mounts when they were released.  And people did and still do to avoid the quest.</p>

Gaealiege
12-28-2011, 11:19 AM
<p>Again, as others have pointed out.  SOE didn't slap out a waiting period and then randomly 24 hours prior to release decide "Oh hey, Greg.  Guess what would be neato?  A mount that subverts that waiting period for flying."</p><p>No.  The arbitrarily wait was set in specifically so you would spend money to skip it.  It's a common business model.  Give people a taste of flying first, but make them earn it.  Once those that hate time/effort/anything other than RIGHT NOW like it, sell it to them.  Win.</p>

Kizee
12-28-2011, 11:20 AM
<p><cite>ObsidianNightmare wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Properman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bawang wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The five day waiting period was put in specifically so that your only other choice would be to buy a mount via the station cash store.  Given this, what do you think the odds are that they'll eliminate it?</p></blockquote><p>You are wrong....considering that there were no other flying mounts (station store or otherwise) at the time they released dov. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Nice try though.</p></blockquote><p>Oh come on, how naive are you?  You dont think they planed ahead?</p></blockquote><p>Um... did you forget the Flying mount that you can get with only 500 Dungeon Tokens? Bout 3 or less hours of work.</p><p>Yeah... the waiting period was not put in to make money as there are free alternatives to buying one or waiting for one.</p><p>It is indeed time to get rid of it</p></blockquote><p>It's funny how the passage of time distorts reality and truth.  There was no free alternative when the 5 day quest series was put in. In fact there wasn't a Marketplace alternative until June. <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=501461">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=501461</a></p><p>To this day there is still no logical or reasonable explanation behind the 5 day lockout. Theories abound. My theory is that it was put in to frustrate people enough to eventually buy the mounts when they were released.  And people did and still do to avoid the quest.</p></blockquote><p>IMO, It was just another way to throttle people progression in DoV since there wasn't much content.</p>

Ahlana
12-28-2011, 12:09 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite></cite>IMO, It was just another way to throttle people progression in DoV since there wasn't much content.</p></blockquote><p>+1</p>

Onorem
12-28-2011, 12:35 PM
<p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite></cite>IMO, It was just another way to throttle people progression in DoV since there wasn't much content.</p></blockquote><p>+1</p></blockquote><p>Yep. You don't have to create 5 days worth of content to make content that lasts 5 days.</p>

Krystalea
12-28-2011, 12:51 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Again, as others have pointed out.  SOE didn't slap out a waiting period and then randomly 24 hours prior to release decide "Oh hey, Greg.  Guess what would be neato?  A mount that subverts that waiting period for flying."</p><p>No.  The arbitrarily wait was set in specifically so you would spend money to skip it.  It's a common business model.  Give people a taste of flying first, but make them earn it.  Once those that hate time/effort/anything other than RIGHT NOW like it, sell it to them.  Win.</p></blockquote><p>I don't think the wait was set in so that you would spend money to skip it.  For those that remember, think back to DoF, and the carpet quest.  Same thing.  You had to wait 4 days (4 quests) to get the flying carpet. And the flying carpet was worse, it was a group quest, you could not solo it.  </p><p>It is the mount of the expansion, so they make you wait for it. It has been done before, it will more than likely be done again.</p>

Cocytus
12-28-2011, 02:22 PM
<p>Ok, to you guys being dumb about the waiting period for money...</p><p>YOU HAVE TO DO THE QUEST TO BE ABLE TO FLY. BUYING AN SC MOUNT DOES NOT JUST LET YOU FLY. So that's obviously not why they did it, stop being deliberately obtuse. They did it, as someone else mentioned, to stretch something out to multiple days rather than make it actually last multiple days.</p>

Raknid
12-28-2011, 02:27 PM
<p><cite>Cocytus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ok, to you guys being dumb about the waiting period for money...</p><p>YOU HAVE TO DO THE QUEST TO BE ABLE TO FLY. BUYING AN SC MOUNT DOES NOT JUST LET YOU FLY. So that's obviously not why they did it, stop being deliberately obtuse. They did it, as someone else mentioned, to stretch something out to multiple days rather than make it actually last multiple days.</p></blockquote><p>Ya know, before you go all ballistic you might want to make sure you have your facts straight...just saying.</p>

Banditman
12-28-2011, 02:52 PM
<p>They can't remove the waiting period, they'd then have to apologize to all the people they banned for circumventing that waiting period.</p>

IvyBlackrose
12-28-2011, 02:58 PM
in other words (please dumb down our game even more)

Keikoku
12-28-2011, 03:38 PM
<p><cite>Raknid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cocytus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ok, to you guys being dumb about the waiting period for money...</p><p>YOU HAVE TO DO THE QUEST TO BE ABLE TO FLY. BUYING AN SC MOUNT DOES NOT JUST LET YOU FLY. So that's obviously not why they did it, stop being deliberately obtuse. They did it, as someone else mentioned, to stretch something out to multiple days rather than make it actually last multiple days.</p></blockquote><p>Ya know, before you go all ballistic you might want to make sure you have your facts straight...just saying.</p></blockquote><p>IIRC, it has been stated that you have to do the quest before you can gain flight.  It wasn't a ploy to sell SC mounts.  They did it as a time sink for everyone of the appropriate level.</p>

Raffir
12-28-2011, 03:42 PM
<p>You've just spent x number of days leveling to this point.  Whats another 5 days?</p><p>Raf</p>

Raknid
12-28-2011, 04:01 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Raknid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cocytus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ok, to you guys being dumb about the waiting period for money...</p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><strong>YOU HAVE TO DO THE QUEST TO BE ABLE TO FLY. BUYING AN SC MOUNT DOES NOT JUST LET YOU FLY.</strong> </span>So that's obviously not why they did it, stop being deliberately obtuse. They did it, as someone else mentioned, to stretch something out to multiple days rather than make it actually last multiple days.</p></blockquote><p>Ya know, before you go all ballistic you might want to make sure you have your facts straight...just saying.</p></blockquote><p>IIRC, it has been stated that you have to do the quest before you can gain flight.  It wasn't a ploy to sell SC mounts.  They did it as a time sink for everyone of the appropriate level.</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2x/posts/list.m?topic_id=8124&post_id=70145#70145">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2x..._id=70145#70145</a></p>

Absyntheea
12-28-2011, 04:02 PM
<p><cite>Cocytus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ok, to you guys being dumb about the waiting period for money...</p><p>YOU HAVE TO DO THE QUEST TO BE ABLE TO FLY. BUYING AN SC MOUNT DOES NOT JUST LET YOU FLY. So that's obviously not why they did it, stop being deliberately obtuse. They did it, as someone else mentioned, to stretch something out to multiple days rather than make it actually last multiple days.</p></blockquote><p>Uuhhh... no.. you don't have to do the flying quest to use those mounts.. just get one and hop on.. no waiting.</p>

Asif
12-28-2011, 04:15 PM
<p>Lets just leave that alone so what if it takes 5 days , i have done it 7 times myself and doing 8th like next week.</p><p>Its part of the quest line i say just leave it in.</p>

yohann koldheart
12-28-2011, 04:17 PM
<p><cite>Cocytus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>YOU HAVE TO DO THE QUEST TO BE ABLE TO FLY.</p></blockquote><p>this is not true unless a few of my toons are bugged,  i have 2  85+ toons that are currently using the flying 8 year vet mount and have not even started the adventure or crafting griff quest.</p>

Onorem
12-28-2011, 04:26 PM
<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>They can't remove the waiting period, they'd then have to apologize to all the people they banned for circumventing that waiting period.</p></blockquote><p>I have no (OK...some, but very little) problem with the timed gating on release. Loosening previous requirements when a new expansion is released is common. The people that exploited on DoV release got what they deserved. They knew how it was supposed to work, and took advantage of the slow response time for fixing it.</p><p>No apology needed for them.</p><p>I'm fine either way....though I'd lean towards removing the lockout if purchased mounts can fly without delay.</p>

Hateeternal
12-28-2011, 04:59 PM
<p>Hello <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I totally agree wit the OP.</p><p>SOE`s official statement back when DoV launched was that they put in the timesink to make us feel like we truly <em>earned</em> the abilty to fly and they didn`t want everyone just go grab a mount and fly around on launchday like it was nothing. They were something like "It`s such a big deal that you can fly now, we want you to wait 5 days to appreciate it even more..." That`s what they repeatedly said back then, not in those exact words though.</p><p>What most of the posters here do not remember is that when they started putting flying mounts on the marketplace,  you still wouldn`t be able to fly with them until you finished the regular griffon quest</p><p>But I have no idea if they changed that nowadays. This would be just another good point to shrink the waiting time now.</p><p>best regards <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Cloudrat
12-28-2011, 05:11 PM
<p>The quest is for a free mount..........</p>

Arcturys
12-28-2011, 05:16 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Fae can fly without the waiting period too. At this point, the only flight with a waiting period is griffons and bat swarms.</p></blockquote><p>Um, that's because you already had to do the 5 day waiting period to get your first flying mount. The Fae quest doesn't open up until you've done either the crafting or adventure griffon. So no, Fae are not exempt to the 5-day rule. Saying that will give people the wrong impression that Fae/Arasai have some super unfair benefit.</p>

S_M_I_T_E
12-28-2011, 05:24 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Raknid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cocytus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ok, to you guys being dumb about the waiting period for money...</p><p>YOU HAVE TO DO THE QUEST TO BE ABLE TO FLY. BUYING AN SC MOUNT DOES NOT JUST LET YOU FLY. So that's obviously not why they did it, stop being deliberately obtuse. They did it, as someone else mentioned, to stretch something out to multiple days rather than make it actually last multiple days.</p></blockquote><p>Ya know, before you go all ballistic you might want to make sure you have your facts straight...just saying.</p></blockquote><p>IIRC, it has been stated that you have to do the quest before you can gain flight.  It wasn't a ploy to sell SC mounts.  They did it as a time sink for everyone of the appropriate level.</p></blockquote><p>I have a 90 fury that didn't do the griffon quest.  I bought the SC red nightmare with wings.  That character can fly just fine. </p>

Raffir
12-28-2011, 05:48 PM
<p>I do the gryphon quest for xp...but use one of the pegasi for flying.  Can't stand the screeching gryphs.  But 98% of the time, I use a horse.  You miss so much of the game when you fly. </p><p>Raf</p>

Jrel
12-28-2011, 06:16 PM
<p>I agree with the OP. Please remove the 5 day waiting period.</p>

Keikoku
12-28-2011, 09:16 PM
<p><cite>Hateeternal wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hello <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>I totally agree wit the OP.</p><p>SOE`s official statement back when DoV launched was that they put in the timesink to make us feel like we truly <em>earned</em> the abilty to fly and they didn`t want everyone just go grab a mount and fly around on launchday like it was nothing. They were something like "It`s such a big deal that you can fly now, we want you to wait 5 days to appreciate it even more..." That`s what they repeatedly said back then, not in those exact words though.</p><p>What most of the posters here do not remember is that when they started putting flying mounts on the marketplace,  you still wouldn`t be able to fly with them until you finished the regular griffon quest</p><p>But I have no idea if they changed that nowadays. This would be just another good point to shrink the waiting time now.</p><p>best regards <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>This.  If it's changed since then, well then alright.  But it used to be you had to do the quest before you could use ANY flying mount.  If they have indeed changed it so that you can use a flying mount without the 5 day period, then they should get rid of the waiting period.  Just silly at this point.</p>

Absyntheea
12-29-2011, 12:30 AM
<p><cite>Arcturys wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Fae can fly without the waiting period too. At this point, the only flight with a waiting period is griffons and bat swarms.</p></blockquote><p>Um, that's because you already had to do the 5 day waiting period to get your first flying mount. The Fae quest doesn't open up until you've done either the crafting or adventure griffon. So no, Fae are not exempt to the 5-day rule. Saying that will give people the wrong impression that Fae/Arasai have some super unfair benefit.</p></blockquote><p>Oh crap! Maybe I was wrong on that one. I did do the griffon one first! DOH!</p>

S_M_I_T_E
12-29-2011, 12:59 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I agree with the OP. Please remove the 5 day waiting period.</p></blockquote><p>I forgot to agree.  Please remove the 5 day waiting peroid.  I bought the Red Nightmare with wings because I liked the look not because you made me wait 5 days.</p>

PotatoeGuru
12-29-2011, 02:59 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Arcturys wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Fae can fly without the waiting period too. At this point, the only flight with a waiting period is griffons and bat swarms.</p></blockquote><p>Um, that's because you already had to do the 5 day waiting period to get your first flying mount. The Fae quest doesn't open up until you've done either the crafting or adventure griffon. So no, Fae are not exempt to the 5-day rule. Saying that will give people the wrong impression that Fae/Arasai have some super unfair benefit.</p></blockquote><p>Oh crap! Maybe I was wrong on that one. I did do the griffon one first! DOH!</p></blockquote><p>Odd. The quest feather popped for my Beastie when she hit 85 and by the original post you can see that I am still stuggling with the five day thing (two down!), so it is possible to get the quest without finishing the griffawn.</p><p>Now I have not actually done any of the quests yet, so it is possible the subsequent steps may be 'time sunkded' <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>To be honest, I really don't 'care' about the flying thing -- I would just like the next quest string to made available independently of the five-day period as long as you have the sufficent level. That's all <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

scruffylookin
12-29-2011, 03:17 AM
<p><cite>Bawang wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The five day waiting period was put in specifically so that your only other choice would be to buy a mount via the station cash store.  Given this, what do you think the odds are that they'll eliminate it?</p></blockquote><p>Except that the Freeblood flying mount (the first put on SC) is purchased via station cash <strong>and </strong>requires a five day wait period. If their plan all along was for people to purchase an SC flying mount to skip the time sink, why did the first SC flying mount they put in have a 5 day time sink?</p>

Odys
12-29-2011, 05:24 AM
<p>Well actually the 5 days quest was fun, it's short and you can lve 5 days without  a flying mount <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>The dev may have been conspiring about SC flying mount but they may as well have decided to entertain us with this nice quest. For once we were out of the instant gratification that so many people dislike.</p><p>I Would not mind if this quest was like the draconic language one, it could flag an account. This would prevent people with 10 alts to be frustrated.</p>

theriatis
12-29-2011, 07:54 AM
<p>Hi,*crawls from under his stone into the light*</p><p>as far as i can remember, it's 5 Quests... the first quest is done and then you have to do 4 more.And it's not 1 day, its 18 hours... so, you can get the Mount after 4x18=72hours (thats 3 days, if my math is correct).</p><p>Ok, you would have to set an Alarm Timer to it, but thats how the most early adopters did it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>*hides back under his stone again*</p><p>Regards, theriatis.(Only 4 more points to maximize "nitpicking")</p>

Gaealiege
12-29-2011, 11:32 AM
<p>As Rak provided the proof for, you can buy a mount and fly that day.  No questing needed.  So yeah, it definitely wasn't a "reel them in" tactic to make money.</p>

Guy De Alsace
12-29-2011, 08:06 PM
<p>Where the hell is this quest? I've looked all over (just recently bought DoV/AoD with triple SC)</p>

Senya
12-29-2011, 08:58 PM
<p>If you are an <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>adventurer</strong></span> the quest starts with Billie in Goahmari Village. </p><p>If you are a <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">crafter</span></strong> the quest begins with Aggi in Thurgadin.  At some point Aggi will send you to Goahmari Village.  There you'll meet Capru.  In order to continue the quest you'll need to right click a spider and click "pet" before Capru will offer you the next step.  I mention that only because it seems that alot of people miss that when going thru the crafter quests. </p>

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12-30-2011, 03:02 PM
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Lempo
12-30-2011, 07:50 PM
<p><cite>Onorem wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>They can't remove the waiting period, they'd then have to apologize to all the people they banned for circumventing that waiting period.</p></blockquote><p>I have no (OK...some, but very little) problem with the timed gating on release. Loosening previous requirements when a new expansion is released is common. The people that exploited on DoV release got what they deserved. They knew how it was supposed to work, and took advantage of the slow response time for fixing it.</p><p>No apology needed for them.</p><p>I'm fine either way....though I'd lean towards removing the lockout if purchased mounts can fly without delay.</p></blockquote><p>People are exploiting the mercs and were making claims on the forums in another thread the posts got modded by volunteer mods but the devs remain silent on it. There is no difference between what the people that took advantage of a mechanic that allowed them to accelerate the flying mount quest than the people that are exploiting a certain mechanic with the mercs. The only difference is that there is a willy-nilly method of choosing who and what to go after. FWIW Flying mounts didn't come into play until after this punishment was handed out to the people that used a mechanic in accepting quests to their advantage. Just have to get the crew that decides what takes effort and what does not take effort to form a consensus on whether or not they agree something is an exploit or not, how much it matters and if they want to persecute the offenders. Their lack of response there only indicates that the abuse of this certain merc mechanic is viewed as fair, balanced and totally acceptable, if not they would remove them from the game until they fix them just like they did with the Shady Swash (MIA for MONTHS, Lord Bob etc.)</p><p>The 5 day wait will remain on there for a while longer without a doubt because the removal of it could cause the loss of a few SC sales.</p>

Guy De Alsace
12-30-2011, 10:28 PM
<p><cite>Senya wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you are an <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>adventurer</strong></span> the quest starts with Billie in Goahmari Village. </p><p>If you are a <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">crafter</span></strong> the quest begins with Aggi in Thurgadin.  At some point Aggi will send you to Goahmari Village.  There you'll meet Capru.  In order to continue the quest you'll need to right click a spider and click "pet" before Capru will offer you the next step.  I mention that only because it seems that alot of people miss that when going thru the crafter quests. </p></blockquote><p>I talked to Billie - he gave me one quest but it wasnt anything to do with flying. Doesn't have a feather at the moment. Maybe there's some prereq I haven't done ?</p>

Senya
12-30-2011, 11:47 PM
<p><cite>Guy De Alsace wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Senya wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you are an <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>adventurer</strong></span> the quest starts with Billie in Goahmari Village. </p><p>If you are a <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">crafter</span></strong> the quest begins with Aggi in Thurgadin.  At some point Aggi will send you to Goahmari Village.  There you'll meet Capru.  In order to continue the quest you'll need to right click a spider and click "pet" before Capru will offer you the next step.  I mention that only because it seems that alot of people miss that when going thru the crafter quests. </p></blockquote><p>I talked to Billie - he gave me one quest but it wasnt anything to do with flying. Doesn't have a feather at the moment. Maybe there's some prereq I haven't done ?</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/Flying_Mount_%28EQ2_Quest_Series%29" target="_blank">This</a> is the entire series of quests (copy/pasted directly from <a href="eq2.zam.com" target="_blank">Zam</a>).  Other than the appropriate level there's no pre-requisites.</p><p><strong><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/eq2_mob:Billie">Billie</a></strong> at <strong>327, -15, 537 </strong></p><ol><li> <a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/eq2_quest:Border_Defense">Border Defense</a> (90)</li><li> <a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/eq2_quest:Battle_Instruction">Battle Instruction</a> (90)</li><li> <a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/eq2_quest:Fightin%27_Ice_with_Ice">Fightin' Ice with Ice</a> (90)</li></ol><p><strong><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/eq2_mob:Gyatso">Gyatso</a></strong> at <strong>364, -15, 453 </strong></p> <ol><li> <a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/eq2_quest:Calming_the_Storm">Calming the Storm</a> (90) - <em>must first complete Billie's quest <a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/eq2_quest:Fightin%27_Ice_with_Ice">Fightin' Ice with Ice</a></em></li><li> <a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/eq2_quest:Reverence_for_Life">Reverence for Life</a> (90)</li></ol><p><strong><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/eq2_mob:Norbu">Norbu</a></strong> at <strong>551, -37, 357 </strong></p><ol><li> <a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/eq2_quest:The_Wounded_Pride">The Wounded Pride</a> (90) - <em>must first complete Gyatso's quest <a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/eq2_quest:Reverence_for_Life">Reverence for Life</a></em></li><li> <a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/eq2_quest:Wing_Wranglin%27">Wing Wranglin'</a> (90)</li></ol>

Valonia
12-31-2011, 09:13 AM
<p>The whole quest line is nothing more than a stupid timesink and I have to concentrate hard not to scream in agony whenever one of my characters reaches level 90 by now .. but then it's even worse for my crafters, with the Thurgadim/Shawl questline having a 2weeks+ speedbump. A speedbump that's even amplified if you decided to not level harvesting .</p><p>But then crafters seem to get the shaft quite often, like with the Bathezid Watch faction. Adventurers get to blow through a set of simple quests while Crafters have to cope with doing dailies until they have enough faction. Or the fact that all important DoV factions allow you to transfer ally status to alts, except for the Thurgadim Crafters one.</p>

Keikoku
01-17-2012, 04:51 PM
<p>I'm at work, and haven't tested this, but if you can now buy an SC mount and get to fly without doing the quest, what about the CE mount that came with DoV?  Can you use that up front as well?  Cause as has been stated, it used to be that you had to do the quest to fly at all.  This included the mount that you paid the extra money for.  I think that if they changed it so that SC mounts fly without the quest, this should have been changed as well.</p>

Destria
01-17-2012, 05:13 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm at work, and haven't tested this, but if you can now buy an SC mount and get to fly without doing the quest, what about the CE mount that came with DoV?  Can you use that up front as well?  Cause as has been stated, it used to be that you had to do the quest to fly at all.  This included the mount that you paid the extra money for.  I think that if they changed it so that SC mounts fly without the quest, this should have been changed as well.</p></blockquote><p>my 28 troub/90 WW hasn't even gone beyond aggi stonefist for the crafting griffon, but has the violet nightmare pegasus that she's been flying around on since she hit 85.  There is no requirement to do any quest to fly, just gotta be lvl 85 and have a mount that flies....simplest/easiest way to do that is SC.  My 90 brig, she hit 85 and I used the dark pegasus until I got around to doing the griffon, then put the pegasus back in the bank for the next alt to hit 85.</p>

Nrgy
01-17-2012, 06:38 PM
<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>They can't remove the waiting period, they'd then have to apologize to all the people they banned for circumventing that waiting period.</p></blockquote><p>^^ This .. and reimburse them for the 5 days of suspension time .. and reactivate their subs since most of them quit the game over that nonsense that should have been fixed in Beta when it was reported.</p><p>Nerf...Nerf...Nerf...Nerf... the story is getting old.  OMG! have to wait for four 18 hour quests to become available.</p>

Griffildur
01-18-2012, 05:59 AM
<p><cite>Nrgy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>They can't remove the waiting period, they'd then have to apologize to all the people they banned for circumventing that waiting period.</p></blockquote><p>^^ This .. and reimburse them for the 5 days of suspension time .. and reactivate their subs since most of them quit the game over that nonsense that should have been fixed in Beta when it was reported.</p><p>Nerf...Nerf...Nerf...Nerf... the story is getting old.  OMG! have to wait for four 18 hour quests to become available.</p></blockquote><p>I don't think they should remove the 5 days period, I did it on 5 chars so far , it's not really an issue and it's very easy.</p><p>I do not agree with you. The people you talk about here , found the bug which allowed them to go past that, and then abused it when the game was released to live. They knew it was bugged and they abused their position as beta testers. Yes I know they reported it, maybe some of them, but the point is they abused knowledge they gained in beta to get their mounts first.</p><p>For that reason alone, their ban was well deserved.</p>

Nadia_EQ2
01-18-2012, 07:48 AM
<p><cite>Arcturys wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Fae can fly without the waiting period too. At this point, the only flight with a waiting period is griffons and bat swarms.</p></blockquote><p>Um, that's because you already had to do the 5 day waiting period to get your first flying mount. The Fae quest doesn't open up until you've done either the crafting or adventure griffon. So no, Fae are not exempt to the 5-day rule. Saying that will give people the wrong impression that Fae/Arasai have some super unfair benefit.</p></blockquote><p>FALSE</p><p>my Fae did the flying quest and never did the griffon quest</p><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/Fae_and_Arasai_Flight_%28EQ2_Quest_Series%29" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/Fae_and_Ara...Quest_Series%29</a></p>

foodcity
01-20-2012, 12:03 PM
<p>i agree that it SHOULD be removed! the time i started the gryphon quest, once i got to the daily quests, are even more a pain than daily crafting quests..... that was the time i started to want to attack my gryphon pet for making me wait. the wait time just creates SOO much frustration, in both crafter and adventurer.</p>

Nrgy
01-20-2012, 12:21 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Nrgy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>They can't remove the waiting period, they'd then have to apologize to all the people they banned for circumventing that waiting period.</p></blockquote><p>^^ This .. and reimburse them for the 5 days of suspension time .. and reactivate their subs since most of them quit the game over that nonsense that should have been fixed in Beta when it was reported.</p><p>Nerf...Nerf...Nerf...Nerf... the story is getting old.  OMG! have to wait for four 18 hour quests to become available.</p></blockquote><p>I don't think they should remove the 5 days period, I did it on 5 chars so far , it's not really an issue and it's very easy.</p><p>I do not agree with you. The people you talk about here , found the bug which allowed them to go past that, and then abused it when the game was released to live. They knew it was bugged and they abused their position as beta testers. Yes I know they reported it, maybe some of them, but the point is they abused knowledge they gained in beta to get their mounts first.</p><p>For that reason alone, their ban was well deserved.</p></blockquote><p>I do not see how "Sharing" a quest using the built in gaming mechanics is in anyway "exploiting".  Many players share quests to group memeber on a daily basis.  There was/is now place in the gryphon quest where it tells a player that they cannot complete the questline in less than 72 hours (min) or that is was designed to take a player 5 days.</p><p>It was reported in beta and ignored and more accurately not acknowledged as a bug.  So, right from the start it was a mess in both design and communication.  If SOE designed the quest to take 5 days then I'm quite sure they would have forced it in some fashion other than an honor system, if they cared enough.  The excuse of "We didn't think players would do THAT" should reflect poorly on the developers not the players that told them about it in the beta.</p><p>Beta does certainly give advantage, but the day the NDA is lifted all the fansites post pages and pages of information that gives people those advantages, usually prior to launch, which shares that "head start" info with everyone equally.  I am sure that the gryphon fiasco had something to do with the closed beta of AOD along with the over all negitivity of the community over the features w/o any content.</p>

CoLD MeTaL
01-20-2012, 12:23 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Now that the expansion has been out awhile and flying has been made common place (dare I say, trivial) via SC mounts/veteran rewards/racial flight quests, please consider removing the daily timesinks in the griffawn quests. I am asking not so much for they flying reward, but more for the questlines that follow.</p><p>I'm only my tenth toon and I'd really like a break! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I've done it on all 27 of my 90s and I still support removing it.</p>