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Neversea
12-20-2011, 04:18 PM
<p>So who else is just a little POed we finally get building blocks for housing, but have to pay station cash for them?  What's this mean for us int he future?  Will we be looking at having to pay SC for more housing items instead of having recipes added to our books?  What do all you decorators think?</p><p><a href="http://www.everquest2.com/news/article?month=current&id=5083" target="_blank">New Station Cash Items</a></p><p>Edited to add link to the new SC items for people who might not have seen it yet.</p>

Afista
12-20-2011, 04:22 PM
<p>I've gotta agree.</p><p>On the plus side, they have put the time into making the models for the building block items now. But really, SC? I'm a bit shocked at anyone who buys them. The thing about building blocks, is that you need a lot of them to build something with. SC is just not a viable option for something like that (unless you have a lot of cash to blow that is lol ) Bu, it *is* a business. I don't blame them from trying to get some extra cash from the those that have it first before giving us crafted versions.</p>

Neversea
12-20-2011, 04:25 PM
<p>Thing is...  It's sold as a set, so even if you want to use a bunch of one, you've got to buy A LOT of those sets.  So it's almost useless, but this is stuff we have been asking for for years now and... it's SC only...</p>

Afista
12-20-2011, 04:28 PM
<p><cite>Neversea wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Thing is...  It's sold as a set, so even if you want to use a bunch of one, you've got to buy A LOT of those sets.  </p></blockquote><p>I was just looking at it and there are individual items too for 50SC each. Variety sets and tile sets were 250SC each</p>

Poison Elf
12-20-2011, 04:43 PM
<p>I was extremely disappointed to see this addition. Some of these items have been requested for years, and they're in the SC shop. </p><p>It would have been much more acceptable to add the basic items to crafters, either artisan or carpenters, then add special skins for SC. </p><p>This just sort of feels like a slap to me.</p>

Arbreth
12-20-2011, 04:48 PM
<p>I too would much rather that they not be SC, these items should be crafted, just like the kilts they promised would be crafted and more gis.  I for one am not going to spring for the floor tiles as those can be gotten other ways, and hoping these will resize properly.  Wish they put the other items in crates of <span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong><em>20. </em></strong></span></p><p>However... SQUEE!!!  They actually made some!</p><p> ((grumbles about font colors))</p>

Kaian
12-20-2011, 05:16 PM
<p>Deeply disappointed at the decision to make this a SC purchase rather than basic carpenter-crafted items, but like others I'm torn a little by the fact the items exist at all (I've been asking for them long enough, after all).</p><p>I doubt I'd be getting these as sets or en masse, - far too expensive for anyone with a serious decorating habit - but I'm likely to get the odd piece on occasion when I just can't manage to construct what I need from items already ingame (the round disc, tall thin cylinder and above all, the plain plank are things that I know I'll find useful as the lack of items of these types has frustrated me for ages).</p><p>[EDIT] Seemingly the plank is called a 'railing'.  Having just spent a week or so coming up with a number of failures as ideas to make bannisters and a sloping railing that look right, I can ... sort of ... appreciate columns and railings, quite a lot.  But I still wouldn't want to have had to pay 700 SC to build my little bit of staircase decoration.</p>

CorpseGoddess
12-20-2011, 05:54 PM
<p>I buy lots of stuff on the marketplace and normally don't complain about it being there, but this time I have to say this was a serious mis-step. </p><p>Building blocks should have gone to carpenters.  Period.</p><p>I definitely won't be buying these from the marketplace, in a small showing of defiance/displeasure.  I wonder how well or badly they'll sell?</p>

Crymsyn
12-20-2011, 05:56 PM
<p>I just want.. but I need... GAAAAH. I can't believe they have added these but as SC! Maybe they will add them with different textures to the game later on as recipies after recouping design costs from the SC store? Or is this a sign that furniture is such a cash cow they think they can milk us for this too? I'm guilty of buying a LOT of furniture (only on sale) but still. When I add up the cost of the sheer amount of items that would be needed for a breakout house built of these... makes me wince.</p>

Absyntheea
12-20-2011, 05:57 PM
<p>I'm fairly cranky about it too. I mean. YAY for making them. but boo for them being station cash *grumble*.</p><p>I really hope they decide to make crafter versions in the future!</p>

Sharann
12-20-2011, 06:02 PM
<p>This is taking a wrong turn... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/1069449046bcd664c21db15b1dfedaee.gif" border="0" /></p><p>I agree with all above posts and with the fact that core-building items should be available through carpenters, grotto, city festival, whatever, but definitely not SC. I am also an occasional SC buyer and while I do accept to buy some furniture through SC, I do not agree to buy something like building blocks with SC. What's next? New tiles? Dividers?</p>

Catria
12-20-2011, 06:02 PM
<p>I buy SC items all the time.  I admit I'm a prestige house junkie.  But these items really should have gone in as carpenter recipes.   Hello - tradeskill apprentice??</p><p>Considering that it takes multiples of any given item, the cost outweighs the OOOH! factor this time.</p><p>Having these on the market for SC is just wrong, IMHO.</p><p>OH! And don't forget... these being SC items means we CAN'T USE THEM IN GUILDHALLS!</p>

Geden
12-20-2011, 06:04 PM
<p><span style="color: #99cc00;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">I'm very disappointed with this new "addition" to SC. To me it feels like a complete exploit of loyal players wallets. I don't have $$ to pay for SC as I am a starving student. So I rely heavily on plat conversion to pay for my needs. Before it was manageable, you know - set a goal, sell lots of stuff, buy SC cards with plat. Now I'm not sure I can afford any of this on top of F2P monthly sub. Isn't there something we can do as a community to vote this off Marketplace?  </span></span></span></p>

Catria
12-20-2011, 06:06 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #99cc00;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">I'm very disappointed with this new "addition" to SC. To me it feels like a complete exploit of loyal players wallets. I don't have $$ to pay for SC as I am a starving student. So I rely heavily on plat conversion to pay for my needs. Before it was manageable, you know - set a goal, sell lots of stuff, buy SC cards with plat. Now I'm not sure I can afford any of this on top of F2P monthly sub. Isn't there something we can do as a community to vote this off Marketplace?  </span></span></span></p></blockquote><p>Yes - we can boycott the items.</p>

Deveryn
12-20-2011, 06:08 PM
<p>I'm actually excited. To me, it's just a teaser to the next carpenter update.</p>

Absyntheea
12-20-2011, 06:14 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm actually excited. To me, it's just a teaser to the next carpenter update.</p></blockquote><p>We can only hope...</p>

Zehl_Ice-Fire
12-20-2011, 06:17 PM
<p>The thing is, there will always be people who either have a lot of extra cash to blow in the market, or just don't care because their desperation for these items is more important than buying food or paying rent. Facebook games are so new and could be temporary and they have proven this point. People will drop $20 or $50 on a decoration item in a facebook game. Think those people read the EULA where it says they don't own it and it can be modified at any time? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I know this is the model for new games now but I wish EQ2 had been left out of microtransactions. I prefer to earn items, I don't want to have to think about if I want to splurge on a shiny pixel item, I'd rather not have to think it over if I like it and quest or craft it.</p><p><cite>[email protected] Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yes - we can boycott the items.</p></blockquote>

Absynthia
12-20-2011, 06:20 PM
<p>The blocks are very nicely textured, and I am sure many will want multiple copies. I hope we do see this in the carp books soon!</p>

Kahlef
12-20-2011, 07:06 PM
<p>I am trying really hard to be optmistic about this and see it as them testing waters about the popularity of these items before spending more time with a ton of retextures of it (because we'll want it!)</p><p>However I do agree with everyone that this should have been put as a carpenter recipe first, or at worst being sold in the grottos, city festivals or even a live event. Only much later after those it should be put on SC with some unique texture.</p><p>This way is just backwards and will get a lot of people angry.</p>

Ulskanine
12-20-2011, 07:13 PM
<p>I have to agree and i am a supporter of Station cash. These blocks and such would have been perfect for in game recipes for crafters .  But seeing as how they are on SC now they will likely never be switched away from it.  BUT ...  I would like to suggest a dropping of the prices on them 50sc a block or step is waaaay to much at most these things should be 10sc  each. </p><p>This is one time i am rather unhappy at what is added to the market place.   I understand SOE is a company and money is needed to be made, but perhaps selling actual recipes for these items on the market place would have yielded you a better reception on the introduction.</p>

Iskandar
12-20-2011, 07:32 PM
<p><strong>*IF*</strong> we see additional designs available ingame, either as a Carpenter recipie or even as a purchased item from the City Festivals and Grottos, then I'm perfectly fine with some designs being on the Marketplace. Heck, I'd even be fine with the RECIPIE being from the Marketplace so my Carpenter could spend a little SC and then proceed to make what he wants with it ingame.</p><p>Or give Carpenters the same recipies ingame as the Marketplace offerings, but make the SC ones <strong>not</strong> count against a home item count, while player-made blocks do -- that'd be a nice selling point for the Marketplace without resorting to nickel-and-diming players.</p><p>But if this is all intended to be a Marketplace-only offering, then I'll be quite annoyed. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" /></p>

Bremethor Uthorzant
12-20-2011, 08:16 PM
<p> I just wanted to add my thoughts to this forum as i have done so in the official post but i think they are really taking away carpenter recipes from carpenters by placing things in the marketplace. I feel like us carps are starting to lose out to SC in the way of craftable items. Its really a dissapointment and a slap in the face. I don't normally do other tradeskills in game because one of my main focuses in carpenter and by adding more and more wanted items into the market under the lovely housing tab they are essentially making carpenters more and more null and void if you get my meaning. I felt a bit stung by the fact that they didn't consult the player base/carpenter/decorator's out there in the game first about this release and got a bit more feedback. I mean i realize we have been waiting years for this stuff but to make it only station cash only is like a slap in the face. I hope that this situation rectify's itself and we start seeing a recipe book or something in game to give us the same oppertunity to make these items otherwise people who can't always afford station cash like myself will hardly ever see the benefit of these things.</p>

Disillusional
12-20-2011, 08:31 PM
<p>I think they should give us the building blocks that match our current sets as carpenters. If you want blocks to match existing SC sets they could do them as SC items....</p>

Cloudrat
12-20-2011, 08:56 PM
<p>10 tiles in pack?  roflmao I  buy lots of SC stuff but this is an indicator that the person in charge doesn't actually decorate and might need some time spent in game instead of whipping up stuff to sell us.</p>

lillyofthevally
12-20-2011, 08:59 PM
<p><cite>Iskandar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong>*IF*</strong> we see additional designs available ingame, either as a Carpenter recipie or even as a purchased item from the City Festivals and Grottos, then I'm perfectly fine with some designs being on the Marketplace. Heck, I'd even be fine with the RECIPIE being from the Marketplace so my Carpenter could spend a little SC and then proceed to make what he wants with it ingame.</p><p>Or give Carpenters the same recipies ingame as the Marketplace offerings, but make the SC ones <strong>not</strong> count against a home item count, while player-made blocks do -- that'd be a nice selling point for the Marketplace without resorting to nickel-and-diming players.</p><p>But if this is all intended to be a Marketplace-only offering, then I'll be quite annoyed. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I agree, putting the recipes on SC would be a great way for us to get them in game, I dont love the idea of recipes on SC.....but I am so irate with the building blocks on there right now I could stab someone! Also making SC items not take a slot and player made take a slot is a great idea!</p><p>How many times people have asked for these, endlessly really, and yay there they are.....but you need to use SC for them. I dont care if you give trip SC every day for the next year, this was a crap move, actually it was a steaming pile of unhideable flying mount crap imo. They should be embarassed and ashamed that this is how they decided to impliment something players have begged for, for ages. Color me disgusted SOE team.  </p>

Katttara
12-20-2011, 09:45 PM
<p>I put quite a lot of money into SC and don't mind most things...but for me, this decision is disgraceful.</p><p>It makes my desire for the game start to drift away slowly. And if it keeps going, it just might be gone.</p><p>I put so much work into grinding faction and all sorts of things to get my carpenter to make everything that</p><p>can be made, as have many here, and yet still have dropped enormous amounts of money into SC items as well.</p><p>And this is the thanks I get for my business?  ICK! Just disgraceful.  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

SecrAtive Girl
12-20-2011, 10:29 PM
<p style="text-align: justify;">not a fan of the building blocks being SC especially when you get so few of them. i can't really build anything with what you get, and i know i can't afford to buy the 100 i'd need. i'm actually feeling a bit disillusioned lately. this last expansion pack really got me. i've barely played this month. i think everquest2 might be finally heading in a direction that i can't follow.</p>

Ilyra
12-20-2011, 10:40 PM
<p>It's ridiculous. I agree with Cloudrat here, the person who thought this up clearly doesn't decorate. I will not be buying any of the items (especially since the stone building blocks look <em>ridiculously</em> similar to items we can already make). All I can hope is that these will NOT be popular and they'll learn their lesson. Hope being a very iffy thing here. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" /></p>

Lillaanya
12-20-2011, 10:43 PM
<p>While I am glad that you are listening to what we want, putting these items on SC was a really bad move. </p>

Neversea
12-20-2011, 10:47 PM
<p>More than anything in this game, I love to decorate.  Ever since I found out about decorating it has been one of the things that keeps me in game.  However, with the appearance of these items in SC...  For the first time since I started played EQ2 years ago...  I actually debated stopping decorating.  This to me felt like a real slap in the face.  Now if we do get items like these as craftable or in-game obtainable maybe that will change how I feel, but right now...  I don't even want to walk into a house period.</p>

Isleen
12-20-2011, 10:50 PM
<p> <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Why couldn't crafters have these instead as part of the expansion? Maybe researchable recipes if you want rarity. Or with the grottos.</p><p>This move sucked <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

mjmartin
12-20-2011, 11:01 PM
<p>Wow. I know several decorators since that is a roleplayed class on AB. And they take a heck of a lot of pride in their work. It is what they love to do.  They run after rare recipes, harvest for rares, farm tokens for specialty items.</p><p>And this is a great way to thank them. Personally, the cynic in me isn't surprised that Smokejumper allowed this to happen. The roleplayer in me is ashamed that Domino allowed this to happen to the RP/Decorator/Crafter communities. Domino, you were our voice. You represented the roleplayers, the crafters, and the average player.  You were promoted to continue to be that voice.</p><p>You -knew- that this was going to be taken as a huge slap to the decorating community. Why didn't you introduce these with the expansion? Every OTHER expansion has had new geometry in the realm of house items. Or with the Erollissi event you are planning. Your crafters will farm for whatever rarity these would have been. Introduce them in game, then put a crate up for a reasonable price. Like 10 cents a piece. If that. With the amount of tiles that are needed in the custom houses, you'd STILL make money because people WILL want a specific look.</p><p>Sometimes I'm amazed by the lunacy that affects whoever sets the prices of things in the cash-shop Smed promised would not ever occur in this game.</p>

Skyana
12-20-2011, 11:05 PM
<p>As an apprentice decorator I am very dissapointed in having the blocks as a SC item.    YOu would have to spend a ton of SC to really do anything viable with them.  And I don't plan on doing that. </p><p>Make them a carpenter made item, then the'll get used.</p>

Disillusional
12-20-2011, 11:05 PM
<p>with the amount of items that most of us need from grottos already i don't even think that putting them in grottos is a good idea. They are staple foundation items that we've long begged for and needed. I'd pay sc for the recipe but i won't pay sc for the items. what the **** am I supposed to do with 10 tiles? How many of us use 10 tiles or less while making houses? My guess is very few of us.  And weirdly enough, one of the most useful items for me doesn't come in multiples that I can tell.  The slender divider? Yes please. I'd like them in every set we already have. THey're perfect for that "over the door that's stuck between two tiles/dividers" scenario. While I love that they've finally given us the items that we wanted I'm starting to feel very disgruntled with the fact that more and more furniture keeps getting added to station cash and when exactly was the last time we got new carpenter recipes? i'd probably even do a long drawn out quest if the recipes for this were given to us at the end. I refuse to buy them 10 tiles at a time. even the set that has everything is rediculous. What do you expect us to do with one or two of everything? Put it in a showroom? That's about all it would be useful for.</p><p>Most of us that decorate know that you have to use similar styles of items throughout a house to create a cohesive flow from room to room. Doing that with these items means we have to buy several sets of them and I, for one, refuse to spend even one of my 12,000 station cash to do it when I've been making do just fine for years. We all have. We all want these items because they would make our lives SO much easier but do you really expect us to just drop hundreds of station cash for one or two of each item or 10 of a single item? It's not even the lack of station cash for me, but the entire principle altogether. I'd be fine with them giving us recipes for the sets that match carpenter made things like a sumac set or a redwood set & then if you wanted say sets of those to match the castellum or the cherry grove or whatever you have to buy them. That makes sense to me. The cherry grove set has always been a station cash item.</p><p>grr. more than anything, what should have been a happy moment for all of us decorators has really just ticked a lot of us off and further frustrated us.</p><p>So yeah... thanks but no thanks.</p>

Debbani
12-20-2011, 11:19 PM
<p>Carpenter update?  They won't be including building blocks as long as they're selling them on SC.  And since carpenter apprentices make flipping JEWELRY (which still ticks me off no end) I don't see a whole lot new to look forward to.  Unless there's a thread out there I'm missing.  If so, please do share.</p><p>Oh, I know, SOE!  How 'bout you go and share your apprentice carpenter jewlery recipes on SC and swap 'em in game for the bluilding sets?  We shoulda had the building sets to begin with and the apprentices would have been an awesome place to put 'em.</p><p>*grumbles* carpenters making jewelry *snorts*</p>

Bremethor Uthorzant
12-20-2011, 11:35 PM
<p>yeah i know carpenters making jewelry? come on SOE what are you thinking? lol this is so frustrating its making me laugh. Now this debacle with building blocks that some of us can't even afford. I didn't think i'd ever debate leaving the game but you keep screwing over the decorators and carpenters in the game and that's right where i am heading. Of course i have put my 2 cents in and i think the best idea i heard is change building blocks to match what the carpenters can make already this way we have something new and exciting to play around with but after purchasing a crate just to see what they were looking like i am definetly dissapointed they are only SC only items since they didn't seem to give that shiny new and amazing look of something made of marble but they already look like something we carpenters can make in game but NO NO you had to make them SC lol. This whole thing has stung a lot of us. Hope you change this soon so us decorators/carpenters can create more masterpieces for the world of norrath.</p>

CorpseGoddess
12-20-2011, 11:35 PM
<p>Well, I just posted a direct plea to SJ in the original announcement thread.  Whether or not it gets read, whether or not it gets a response, at least I've said my piece.</p>

Deveryn
12-21-2011, 12:03 AM
<p><cite>[email protected]_old wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Carpenter update?  They won't be including building blocks as long as they're selling them on SC.  And since carpenter apprentices make flipping JEWELRY (which still ticks me off no end) I don't see a whole lot new to look forward to.  Unless there's a thread out there I'm missing.  If so, please do share.</p><p>Oh, I know, SOE!  How 'bout you go and share your apprentice carpenter jewlery recipes on SC and swap 'em in game for the bluilding sets?  We shoulda had the building sets to begin with and the apprentices would have been an awesome place to put 'em.</p><p>*grumbles* carpenters making jewelry *snorts*</p></blockquote><p>Apprentices would NOT have been an awesome place to put building blocks. Do you even realize what you're saying?  Apprentices are for recipes that require reactants from heroic zones. I thought crafters/decorators were against that.</p><p>I'm basing my hypothesis on actual events. We had items like tiles show up in events like Moonlight Grottos. A bit later, we had an update with all those new tiles (and dividers, which we had been asking for). We've asked for basic building block items. They said they would get to that. I think it's safe to say the recipes are coming and they'll probably be automatically added to our books in their respective tiers.</p><p>People keep freaking out over what shows up on the Marketplace, but they still come through with good things for us to make. Relax already.</p>

Catria
12-21-2011, 12:04 AM
<p>Considering that this thread is now three pages long and I have yet to see one positive response to it, hopefully they will get the message and rethink the situation.</p><p>Rarely have I seen anything put in game that got a UNANIMOUS negative response.</p><p>*edit for usual typos... I CAN type dang it!*</p>

Senya
12-21-2011, 12:18 AM
<p>This is a good example of a bad decision.  I own lots of prestige deeds and station cash furniture.  I'm not anti-marketplace at all, but this was such an insult to decorator's.  I couldn't believe this is how they'd decide to add building blocks.</p>

Aerfen
12-21-2011, 01:19 AM
<p>I'll add my voice to the frustrated majority posting, but I can't say I'm surprised <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Consider this - for those of us who build houses from scratch using the tiles, dividers and bookcases in game, I'd guess that we easily use 100+ of those items to build the structure of our house - perhaps even closer to 200.  At 50sc each it would make SOE a small fortune.  With the addition of the marketplace, moving F2P and now this, it's clear where $oE's priorities lie.</p><p>I too have purchased prestige houses, and even a pegasus, but the only way $oE will get the message is if we as a community do not purchase these building blocks.  Take a stand decorating community and let's hope they get the message!</p>

Senya
12-21-2011, 01:25 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'll add my voice to the frustrated majority posting, but I can't say I'm surprised <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Consider this - for those of us who build houses from scratch using the tiles, dividers and bookcases in game, I'd guess that we easily use 100+ of those items to build the structure of our house - perhaps even closer to 200.  At 50sc each it would make SOE a small fortune.  With the addition of the marketplace, moving F2P and now this, it's clear where $oE's priorities lie.</p><p>I too have purchased prestige houses, and even a pegasus, but the only way $oE will get the message is if we as a community do not purchase these building blocks.  Take a stand decorating community and let's hope they get the message!</p></blockquote><p>I definitely won't be purchasing these.</p>

Bhael
12-21-2011, 01:32 AM
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman";">Just wanted to chime in with my RESOUNDING agreement on this. I'm glad to see others felt as insulted and disgusted with this as I do. I'll definitely be boycotting these. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman";">Gah! I can't believe it! We FINALLY get building blocks after all theses years and they do this!</span></p>

Deveryn
12-21-2011, 01:35 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Considering that this thread is now three pages long and <em>I have yet to see one positive response to it</em>, hopefully they will get the message and rethink the situation.</p><p>Rarely have I seen anything put in game that got a UNANIMOUS negative response.</p><p>*edit for usual typos... I CAN type dang it!*</p></blockquote><p>-cough- I feel the love :p</p>

Katz
12-21-2011, 01:44 AM
<p>Sorry for all the raging.  This got us upset.  You all have done a lot for carpenters and decorators.   We do appreciate it. </p><p>It was a shock to us for those to show up in station cash like that. </p><p>Hopefully we will see some recipes soon.</p>

Meeba
12-21-2011, 01:47 AM
<p>Gotta add my two cents worth too.  I heartily agree that these should be buyable SC recipes, and not individual items.  I don't see the sense in spending my hard earned money for something like this.  Now if it were the <em>recipes</em> for even 1000 SC, I'd gladly cough up the dough to be able to make as many of these as my mousey heart desired.   Please devs, either add them to the game or sell us the recipes for the items.  Don't try to nickel and dime us to death! </p>

Cloudrat
12-21-2011, 02:27 AM
<p>Seems a shame they don't want to test SC on test server  sigh.  Colors don't match among other things  the small tiles are supposed to be stairs.  Nice to know it's possible to make wall dividers without lips on them, maybe they can fix the ones we make and get at festival.</p><p><img src="http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii240/Aeryal/Eq2%20screenies/scbuilding.jpg" width="667" height="560" /></p>

Roslyn
12-21-2011, 03:15 AM
<p>Glad to find this thread! Going to add my agreement here that this was a bad choice. I don't want to pay for the recipes on Marketplace either - just put them in game for crying out loud. So maybe you have some fancy ones for SC, but as previously stated, give carps building blocks that match our pre-existing textures (redwood, briarwood, etc.) and then make them 2 per combine. I'm fine with SC and all, but it's totally unrealistic to think people will have enough blocks from those crates to really do anything at all.</p>

Catria
12-21-2011, 04:02 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Considering that this thread is now three pages long and <em>I have yet to see one positive response to it</em>, hopefully they will get the message and rethink the situation.</p><p>Rarely have I seen anything put in game that got a UNANIMOUS negative response.</p><p>*edit for usual typos... I CAN type dang it!*</p></blockquote><p>-cough- I feel the love :p</p></blockquote><p>Yeah sorry Deveryn... you posted as I was typing up mine apparently.... </p><p>Okay, so all but ONE post have been negative. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Celline-Layonaire
12-21-2011, 04:42 AM
<p>So, first set of building blocks came as SC items. It's annoying but the chance for these sets of blocks reverting to NON-SC items is complicated(reimbursement, more work needed...etc). So, when they introduce more building blocks again in the future, they should also include NON-SC blocks. (whether in GU or in bi-weekly mini updates)</p>

Sharann
12-21-2011, 04:45 AM
<p><cite>Cloudrat wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>  Nice to know it's possible to make wall dividers without lips on them, maybe they can fix the ones we make and get at festival.</p></blockquote><p>That's all it would take <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /> Take the lips out of the current wall dividers and leave them in our current recipes.</p><p>And I won't buy any of those elements from SC.</p>

LaeliaJS
12-21-2011, 04:55 AM
<p>I would consider paying SC or dungeon tokens for scribable recipes that could make unlimited handcrafted "special" building blocks or accents.  Having the recipes for the basic items be from something in game would be much preferable.</p><p>However, 50 sc each/250sc per set for items that won't even go in guildhalls is much, much much too steep.  I've bought loads of stuff off SC and frankly the SC store should be for extra stuff, not fundamental building blocks.  Being able to reasonably make a house out of these in the TT island would cost a good 10,000 SC.  And that's a conservative number.  It's just not reasonable or practical for real design.</p><p>P.S.  While I applaud the effort to make stairs, I'd rather have a set of 5-10 stairs all mushed into one item and evenly spaced than a single step.  Building our own staircases can already be done by a lot of items that don't cost SC.</p>

Banedon_Toran
12-21-2011, 05:08 AM
<p>I worked out that replacing the 254 columns in our guilds 'Temple of Halas' with 127 of the new thin columns (ignoring that our temple is white marble for the moment) would work out as 6350SC, that's before I look what I'd need to rebuild the roof etc.</p><p>So 10,000SC as an estimate for a full scale decorating project is likely a conservative estimate, personally I won't touch these SC items.</p><p>I'd rather Sony come up with something similar to the City Festivals/Tokens system as a way of people earning these items in-game.</p>

Disillusional
12-21-2011, 05:42 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The roleplayer in me is ashamed that Domino allowed this to happen to the RP/Decorator/Crafter communities. Domino, you were our voice. You represented the roleplayers, the crafters, and the average player.  You were promoted to continue to be that voice.</p><p>You -knew- that this was going to be taken as a huge slap to the decorating community. Why didn't you introduce these with the expansion? Every OTHER expansion has had new geometry in the realm of house items. Or with the Erollissi event you are planning. Your crafters will farm for whatever rarity these would have been. Introduce them in game, then put a crate up for a reasonable price. Like 10 cents a piece. If that. With the amount of tiles that are needed in the custom houses, you'd STILL make money because people WILL want a specific look.</p><p>Sometimes I'm amazed by the lunacy that affects whoever sets the prices of things in the cash-shop Smed promised would not ever occur in this game.</p></blockquote><p>I really hate to call Domino into question here. One single person can rarely be held responsible for this sort of thing. It's possible that Domino voiced some opinions on the fact that while the decorating community has been begging for these that making them SC items might make us angry. That doesn't mean she was listened to. We don't know what went into the discussion here. Let's try not to bite the hand that feeds us in all this. I have no doubt Domino does all that she can for us.</p>

CorpseGoddess
12-21-2011, 05:57 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The roleplayer in me is ashamed that Domino allowed this to happen to the RP/Decorator/Crafter communities. Domino, you were our voice. You represented the roleplayers, the crafters, and the average player.  You were promoted to continue to be that voice.</p><p>You -knew- that this was going to be taken as a huge slap to the decorating community. Why didn't you introduce these with the expansion? Every OTHER expansion has had new geometry in the realm of house items. Or with the Erollissi event you are planning. Your crafters will farm for whatever rarity these would have been. Introduce them in game, then put a crate up for a reasonable price. Like 10 cents a piece. If that. With the amount of tiles that are needed in the custom houses, you'd STILL make money because people WILL want a specific look.</p><p>Sometimes I'm amazed by the lunacy that affects whoever sets the prices of things in the cash-shop Smed promised would not ever occur in this game.</p></blockquote><p>I really hate to call Domino into question here. One single person can rarely be held responsible for this sort of thing. It's possible that Domino voiced some opinions on the fact that while the decorating community has been begging for these that making them SC items might make us angry. That doesn't mean she was listened to. We don't know what went into the discussion here. Even devs have people to answer to. Let's try not to bite the hand that feeds us in all this. I have no doubt Domino does all that she can for us.</p></blockquote><p>She got promoted and has a LOT more responsiblities on her plate; I think it's completely unfair to single her out here.  We have no idea what the breadth and scope of those responsiblities are, and it's not right to blame her for this.  We don't <em>have</em> a TS dev right now, and I wonder if that fact has any bearing on the current situation.</p>

Disillusional
12-21-2011, 06:19 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The roleplayer in me is ashamed that Domino allowed this to happen to the RP/Decorator/Crafter communities. Domino, you were our voice. You represented the roleplayers, the crafters, and the average player.  You were promoted to continue to be that voice.</p><p>You -knew- that this was going to be taken as a huge slap to the decorating community. Why didn't you introduce these with the expansion? Every OTHER expansion has had new geometry in the realm of house items. Or with the Erollissi event you are planning. Your crafters will farm for whatever rarity these would have been. Introduce them in game, then put a crate up for a reasonable price. Like 10 cents a piece. If that. With the amount of tiles that are needed in the custom houses, you'd STILL make money because people WILL want a specific look.</p><p>Sometimes I'm amazed by the lunacy that affects whoever sets the prices of things in the cash-shop Smed promised would not ever occur in this game.</p></blockquote><p>I really hate to call Domino into question here. One single person can rarely be held responsible for this sort of thing. It's possible that Domino voiced some opinions on the fact that while the decorating community has been begging for these that making them SC items might make us angry. That doesn't mean she was listened to. We don't know what went into the discussion here. Even devs have people to answer to. Let's try not to bite the hand that feeds us in all this. I have no doubt Domino does all that she can for us.</p></blockquote><p>She got promoted and has a LOT more responsiblities on her plate; I think it's completely unfair to single her out here.  We have no idea what the breadth and scope of those responsiblities are, and it's not right to blame her for this.  We don't <em>have</em> a TS dev right now, and I wonder if that fact has any bearing on the current situation.</p></blockquote><p>thanks. that's basically what i was trying to say.</p>

egyptiangothic
12-21-2011, 10:16 AM
<p><cite>Neversea wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So who else is just a little POed we finally get building blocks for housing, but have to pay station cash for them?  What's this mean for us int he future?  Will we be looking at having to pay SC for more housing items instead of having recipes added to our books?  What do all you decorators think?</p><p><a href="http://www.everquest2.com/news/article?month=current&id=5083" target="_blank">New Station Cash Items</a></p><p>Edited to add link to the new SC items for people who might not have seen it yet.</p></blockquote><p>im sry  but its stupid...i dont mind paying SC for a recipe that i can use over again but sod that paying for a crete of items that wouldnt even cover half a wall. TBH i think all the houseing items other than plushies should be put in Recipe form as well as as is incase you dont have a carpenter!perhaps the non building block items could be rare crafted. But the building blocks common mats, and perhaps different shades, textures, ect. and in triangles to where are our trianguler building block, or the window building block, or door frame building block?...</p><p>anywayi could go on but i wont for now</p><p>a rather miffed kianneoftroi.</p>

darwich
12-21-2011, 10:29 AM
Really bad move Sony.. and i would be what you call a fanboi, this is just one of the stupidest moves i have seen in a long time... This, and the food items for reactants for provies has got me quite steamed right now...

Bruji
12-21-2011, 10:59 AM
As most people here, I am really upset with this move, I buy a lot of things from the Marketplace but this is something I am NOT going to buy. It is ridiculous you would need to spend a fortune for each house you want to decorate, just not acceptable. I only play EQ2 to decorate and this is really a set back and as some say a slap in the face. Definitely a wrong move. Well Sony I am not buying.

Finora
12-21-2011, 11:40 AM
<p>Add me to the irritated as well.</p><p>Building blocks are awesome, we've wanted those for a long while.</p><p>Putting them on SC is a poor move. ESPECIALLY at the prices they expect people to pay. Did the people responsible for pricing even consider how would actually be used in a decorating project?</p><p>Fancy furniture pieces on SC we've been able to stomach since we already get decent items to make in game that are basically equivalent.</p><p>Making SC the only way to get the basic building blocks however, that's too much.</p><p>At the very least make them DM token or SC though I'd really much rather have seen them as a new recipe book for carpenters somewhere or on the TS apprentice or something like that. Anything but SC only really.</p>

quiarrah
12-21-2011, 12:24 PM
<p><cite>Cloudrat wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>10 tiles in pack?  roflmao I  buy lots of SC stuff but this is an indicator that the person in charge doesn't actually decorate and might need some time spent in game instead of whipping up stuff to sell us.</p></blockquote><p>I agree with Cloudrat! It almost seems like the people that design this stuff and put it in SC DON'T even decorate so they have NO idea what it all entails.</p><p>Carpentars NEED NEW stuff to make! (same with Tailors. .Gi's. . .Kilts . . .some of the temp stuff from Festivals would be nice! GENI outfits!!. .ok. . this isn't housing. . ..*slap*)</p><p>NEW RECIEPES for Carpentars please. . . .</p>

Brutalicus
12-21-2011, 12:27 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cloudrat wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>  Nice to know it's possible to make wall dividers without lips on them, maybe they can fix the ones we make and get at festival.</p></blockquote><p>That's all it would take <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /> Take the lips out of the current wall dividers and leave them in our current recipes.</p>P</blockquote><p>This Idea would be really bad because many of us have designs using the lips on the dividers.  Weather poking through for accent or enlarged and turned sidesways for pilasters ect.  When a housing object is introduced changing it can have disasterous effects for those using it.  Making new ones without the lips with a differnt name is a good idea tho.</p><p>Now back to this station cash business.  Who was put in charge of this at Soe? and have they lost thier mind.  All this is going to do is make an angery design community and bring contempt and scorn down on to the EQ2 DEV team.  These are building blocks not some shiny new flashy thing that is totally unessessary.  To the design community this is equivilent to putting all raid armor up on the markertplace for sc only.  It seems to me that the development team knows the end is coming for the game and is trying desperatly to rake in as much cash as they can before it does?   Shame SOE Shame.</p>

Sharann
12-21-2011, 01:00 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cloudrat wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>  Nice to know it's possible to make wall dividers without lips on them, maybe they can fix the ones we make and get at festival.</p></blockquote><p>That's all it would take <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /> Take the lips out of the current wall dividers and leave them in our current recipes.</p>P</blockquote><p>This Idea would be really bad because many of us have designs using the lips on the dividers.  Weather poking through for accent or enlarged and turned sidesways for pilasters ect.  When a housing object is introduced changing it can have disasterous effects for those using it.  Making new ones without the lips with a differnt name is a good idea tho.</p></blockquote><p>Yep! Agreed! I didn't mean "to change what is already existing" as that's the worst move ever, just take the same element and change it and add it to the corresponding recipe books.</p>

Arbreth
12-21-2011, 01:20 PM
<p>The only thing I have ever broken down to buy for SC, other than the Homes, which I still feel should be available in quested form, and character slots *ahem*, is clothes and precious little of those.  I will not touch these, they are too expensive and should have been provided to the crafters in some way or other as recipes.  Even if the acquiring is similar to how Sages get the knowlege to make books.</p><p>Free to pay... I already pay to enjoy this game, it is the only entertainment item in my budget, and I had even bought the extremely overpriced not-expansion.  These should have been one of those items in that feature pack and not an insult to those that have generated a means to keep playrs in the game so you can dangle SC furniture and homes in front of us.</p><p>SOE... I do not need you, therefore you should be trying harder to keep me, a paying customer, happy, or at least mollified more than you have been lately.  Correct your gaffe.</p>

Disillusional
12-21-2011, 04:39 PM
<p>i feel like the decorating community suddenly became unified & we were a pretty tightly knit lot to begin with lol</p>

thewarriorpoet
12-21-2011, 04:58 PM
<p>I am not surprised but I am really disappointed that I am not surprised.</p><p>I get the rationale behind non-jewelers making jewelry but honestly the non-jewelers need more of their type of things to make. It is more a problem with not having a decent crafting dev then anything else. The problem probably isn't that they wanted to gauge us but that it never occured to them that crafters should be given something that doesn't sell to an adventurer. On top of that, they having modelers and artists cranking out SC appearance items left and right. Those same people would need to be taped to make new looks for armors, weapons, and housing items. It also never occured to someone that new art is sometime something everyone should get (as part of the game). What I fear is that the sub price is going to cover the current content and we will see this pattern of being nickeled and dimes for anything new.</p>

CorpseGoddess
12-21-2011, 05:18 PM
<p><cite>thewarriorpoet wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am not surprised but I am really disappointed that I am not surprised.</p><p>I get the rationale behind non-jewelers making jewelry but honestly the non-jewelers need more of their type of things to make. It is more a problem with not having a decent crafting dev then anything else. The problem probably isn't that they wanted to gauge us but that it never occured to them that crafters should be given something that doesn't sell to an adventurer. On top of that, they having modelers and artists cranking out SC appearance items left and right. Those same people would need to be taped to make new looks for armors, weapons, and housing items. It also never occured to someone that new art is sometime something everyone should get (as part of the game). What I fear is that the sub price is going to cover the current content and we will see this pattern of being nickeled and dimes for anything new.</p></blockquote><p>Well, not if the decorating community doesn't buy it.  Maybe a few one-offs here and there might--but if we all band together and NOT BUY this stuff--it's just going to sit there.  So the oodles and oodles of building block crates they thought they would sell are just going to sit there and look at them accusingly in the eye.</p><p>At least, that's how I like to picture it.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p>

Bremethor Uthorzant
12-21-2011, 06:09 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>thewarriorpoet wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am not surprised but I am really disappointed that I am not surprised.</p><p>I get the rationale behind non-jewelers making jewelry but honestly the non-jewelers need more of their type of things to make. It is more a problem with not having a decent crafting dev then anything else. The problem probably isn't that they wanted to gauge us but that it never occured to them that crafters should be given something that doesn't sell to an adventurer. On top of that, they having modelers and artists cranking out SC appearance items left and right. Those same people would need to be taped to make new looks for armors, weapons, and housing items. It also never occured to someone that new art is sometime something everyone should get (as part of the game). What I fear is that the sub price is going to cover the current content and we will see this pattern of being nickeled and dimes for anything new.</p></blockquote><p>Well, not if the decorating community doesn't buy it.  Maybe a few one-offs here and there might--but if we all band together and NOT BUY this stuff--it's just going to sit there.  So the oodles and oodles of building block crates they thought they would sell are just going to sit there and look at them accusingly in the eye.</p><p>At least, that's how I like to picture it.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p> Yep i totally agree, let those red names see the folly of their crime against the decorating and carpenter community till they figure out in their heads it needs to be fixed. I mean i have not seen so many angry people on one issue in a very long time in this game when it comes to the design/decorating community. The point that seems to be coming across in most people's messages is give us a recipe book or something along those lines and yes i would love that immensely but the way things are going are we going to see that? Well, in that case i say **** the building blocks and let's see how long it takes for SOE to get the picture!</p>

Zhaan
12-21-2011, 06:37 PM
<p>I am also extremely disappointed that these blocks are ONLY available for SC.  I think blocks that match our current dividers/tiles should have been added as carpenter recipies and then special skins could have been sold in the SC.  I'm not anti-SC, but this is just a really bad move in my opinion.</p>

Flintgold
12-21-2011, 06:44 PM
<p></p><p >Add me in to the irritated list.  Was afraid of something like this when they announced free to play.  What is the point of a carpenter if they cannot make items that people want?  What is the point of subscription when everything you want is in the SC store?  This to decorators is like having to buy a key from the SC store to enter a new raid instance for raiders.  The SC store should be a short cut, not a necessity.  Add them into the SC for cheap but also make the recipe available to subscribing carpenters.  Those who do not want to find a carpenter to make a ton of items or to lazy to make them themselves can buy them from the shop.</p>

Bitsy
12-21-2011, 06:46 PM
<p>I like the idea of building blocks, I really do. <strong> I wish they were carpenter made</strong> and SC was reserved for special & unique items.  That said, I know that isn't the future.  Here are a couple suggestions to make them better:</p><p> 1. Scale to 6.0 - they are just too small.</p><p> 2. Each item needs a set option.</p><p> 3. They should be a little less expensive, something like 25 SC each or 200 SC for a set of 10 sounds reasonable to me.</p><p> 4. Have some sets player made, some SC sets.</p><p>edit:  pulled out the comments putting the cost into perspective since people seem too intent on pulling it out of the context of trying to make the situation better....</p>

Disillusional
12-21-2011, 07:17 PM
<p>i haven't forgotten the 500 sc a month. i still refuse to buy them based solely on the fact that you get so few for the money you spent. i bought 12,000 sc on triple sc day and i still refuse to buy these. i spend my station cash freely on whatever i want but at this point in the game i'm so disgruntled over these items and the fact that they're sc only & carpenters got nothing to match existing sets that i'm boycotting. i spend enough of my hard earned real life money on this game as it is. I'm not going to go spending thousands of my station cash for the 100ish tiles that i use in a housing project.</p>

Aerfen
12-21-2011, 07:24 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>i haven't forgotten the 500 sc a month. i still refuse to buy them based solely on the fact that you get so few for the money you spent. i bought 12,000 sc on triple sc day and i still refuse to buy these. i spend my station cash freely on whatever i want but at this point in the game i'm so disgruntled over these items and the fact that they're sc only & carpenters got nothing to match existing sets that i'm boycotting. i spend enough of my hard earned real life money on this game as it is. I'm not going to go spending thousands of my station cash for the 100ish tiles that i use in a housing project.</p></blockquote><p>I too bought Triple SC and am not going to purchase these - even at triple sc the price is too high for the quantity most of us would need to build a house.  I'm just not willing to spend so much money on top of choosing to keep my monthly sub...</p>

Catria
12-21-2011, 07:30 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>i haven't forgotten the 500 sc a month. i still refuse to buy them based solely on the fact that you get so few for the money you spent. i bought 12,000 sc on triple sc day and i still refuse to buy these. i spend my station cash freely on whatever i want but at this point in the game i'm so disgruntled over these items and the fact that they're sc only & carpenters got nothing to match existing sets that i'm boycotting. i spend enough of my hard earned real life money on this game as it is. I'm not going to go spending thousands of my station cash for the 100ish tiles that i use in a housing project.</p></blockquote><p>I too bought Triple SC and am not going to purchase these - even at triple sc the price is too high for the quantity most of us would need to build a house.  I'm just not willing to spend so much money on top of choosing to keep my monthly sub...</p></blockquote><p>I currently have over 30,000 SC sitting in my account.  I'm still not going to buy any of these.  It's the principle of the thing as far as I am concerned.  Uniquely new items to the game, something that has been asked for by decorators for a long, long time, should have gone in as carp recipes, whether added to the existing books or a new quested recipe book.  THEN they could have put special sets on for SC.</p><p>Nope... not buying.</p>

iduckie
12-21-2011, 07:33 PM
<p>I'm all for the Building Blocks but they are simply too "simple" to fork out Station Cash for, I would much rather buy the recipe for them via Station Cash and have them be No-trade/Heirloom and please don't attach a rare to them, I think paying for the recipe is enough work as is.</p><p>And excuse me, I am not dropping my 15$ every time I decorate a commissioned house nor am I going to ask my client to simply drop 15$ on a ingame house! That would be extremely rude in my book. </p><p>Most of us already pay 15-19$ a month and if your not paying 15-19$ a month your paying twice that for not having a subcription to be able to have what you would have with one.The double and triple Station Cash is wonderful for those on low income and light wallets but most of us won't go buy a Gamecard just for the bonus.</p><p>Making us pay for Building Blocks out of our wallets is like forcing us to buy the Raid content, clear the raid content and then buy your unlocked loot off of Station Cash. I donno about you but I'd quit instantly if that was the case!</p><p>Dear Santa,</p><p>If Carpenters aren't allowed to make Building Blocks then add a new tradeskill called Masonry who will have the ability to make Building Blocks, Small buildings and other structures.</p>

Bremethor Uthorzant
12-21-2011, 07:38 PM
<p> I won't be buying either but then again i am not one of the people that have a ton of money to throw around. With that being said i couldn't hope to afford enough of those building blocks to make my own house with. Whether you have a lot of money or you don't the fact remains though that this deal is screwing over the decorators and house shoppers like the many who have posted in this forum. Sure i could wait till the double or triple station cash days but the fact remains i am not buying these tiles. I just don't think having a ton of station cash would justify purchasing hundreds of these things since they should have been carpenter recipes to start with!</p>

Bhael
12-21-2011, 07:48 PM
<p></p><p >Here's another idea. As some have said once something is up for SC it never shows up in game for free. So how about this. Leave the sets there for SC but lower the price to more acceptable amount (maybe a couple of SC per block). Then, have all the blocks available to GOLD account players as basic carpenter recipes.</p> <p >Something like this: You could have a whole category of building block items, door and window frames, various 1, 5, 10 , and 20 step stair sets, trapezoid and triangle pieces, etc. in all the various textures of course. Each available for SC at a couple SC each or sets of say 20 for 30 or 50 for 50. Then the whole category is also a basic carpenter recipe set for gold account holders.</p> <p >That would be FAR more tolerable that the slap in the face you have right now.</p>

CorpseGoddess
12-21-2011, 08:05 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Here's another idea. As some have said once something is up for SC it never shows up in game for free. So how about this. Leave the sets there for SC but lower the price to more acceptable amount (maybe a couple of SC per block). Then, have all the blocks available to GOLD account players as basic carpenter recipes.</p> <p>Something like this: You could have a whole category of building block items, door and window frames, various 1, 5, 10 , and 20 step stair sets, trapezoid and triangle pieces, etc. in all the various textures of course. Each available for SC at a couple SC each or sets of say 20 for 30 or 50 for 50. Then the whole category is also a basic carpenter recipe set for gold account holders.</p> <p>That would be FAR more tolerable that the slap in the face you have right now.</p></blockquote><p>I still have to say no to this.  At least, not right away.  The building block idea needs to go to carpenters first, and I'm going to hold firm to this position.</p><p>The recipes should be available to carpenters in-game, as a questable item reward.  I know the chances of that happening are slim-to-none right now, with our lack of a TS dev, but still.  If not from a quest, then just give us the recipes.</p><p>But no--no building blocks on the Marketplace <em>until they're in-game first</em>.  That's my stance and I'm sticking to it.</p>

Alvita
12-21-2011, 08:13 PM
<p>I hear some blaming Domino, and others defending her. And she HAS done a lot for our community. Her tag now says WWSJD - what would smokejumper do.  And I really DO NOT like the vast majority of the changes that Smokejumper is behind, and you can't tell me that this wasn't planned. SOE is really showing the playerbase where the priority is - the cash shops.</p><p>I can and will blame Domino. I'm sorry to have to do so, but she is the roleplayer and tradeskill and decorators  VOICE to the Devs.  She was hailed as a hero because she was ONE OF US who went to work for SOE and THEN did the things that needed to be done.</p><p>This did not need to be done. It is not an improvement. It is a detriment.  I'm sorry, Domino. I'm holding out hope that you will fix this mess that shouldn't have happened.</p>

Neversea
12-21-2011, 08:20 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think some people here needs to remember a few things:</p><p> 1.  If you are a gold member with a recurring plan, you get 500 SC a month.</p><p> 2a.  If you took advantage of the triple SC day... the $15 you spent at walmart got you 6000 SC or $0.125 per building block @ 50 sc each.</p><p> 2b.  If you took advantage of the double SC day... the $15 you spent at walmart got you 4000 SC or $0.1875 per building block @ 50 sc each.</p><p> 3.  I would bet there will be more double or triple SC days in the future.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, people can take advantage of this allt hey want, but I will personally stand firm on my opinion.  I invested in the triple and double SC days, why not?  But I -refuse- to use it toward items that SHOULD be recipes.  These are similiar to items that decorators and carpenters have begged for.  Sure I could take a triple SC day and probably be able to then afford to build an entire house out of these blocks, but that does not make it right them placing these on SC before giving us recipes for like items.  Usually SC days are only during the holidays, so I expect we will actually see -less- of these days to come.</p><p>We're Carpenters and decorators!  Give us recipes not SC items!</p>

Bitsy
12-21-2011, 08:28 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I like the idea of building blocks, I really do. <span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong> I wish they were carpenter made</strong> </span>and SC was reserved for special & unique items.  That said, I know that isn't the future.  Here are a couple suggestions to make them better:</p></blockquote><p>If you're going to quote me, please note that first thing i stated was i wished they were carpenter made. I even bolded it - color added here for extra emphisis.  I also called for them to be less expensive and for player made building blocks sets as well.</p>

Bhael
12-21-2011, 08:36 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Here's another idea. As some have said once something is up for SC it never shows up in game for free. So how about this. Leave the sets there for SC but lower the price to more acceptable amount (maybe a couple of SC per block). Then, have all the blocks available to GOLD account players as basic carpenter recipes.</p> <p>Something like this: You could have a whole category of building block items, door and window frames, various 1, 5, 10 , and 20 step stair sets, trapezoid and triangle pieces, etc. in all the various textures of course. Each available for SC at a couple SC each or sets of say 20 for 30 or 50 for 50. Then the whole category is also a basic carpenter recipe set for gold account holders.</p> <p>That would be FAR more tolerable that the slap in the face you have right now.</p></blockquote><p>I still have to say no to this.  At least, not right away.  The building block idea needs to go to carpenters first, and I'm going to hold firm to this position.</p><p>The recipes should be available to carpenters in-game, as a questable item reward.  I know the chances of that happening are slim-to-none right now, with our lack of a TS dev, but still.  If not from a quest, then just give us the recipes.</p><p>But no--no building blocks on the Marketplace <em>until they're in-game first</em>.  That's my stance and I'm sticking to it.</p></blockquote><p>Oh I completely agree with you. I refuse to buy these EVER for SC. I also think they simply need to be in game as carpenter basic recipes. I don't even think they should be quested, or rewarded in anyway. They SHOULD be a part of our basic set of recipes we get (They are basic building blocks, they should be basic recipes). Maybe a master carpenter set as opposed to say part of the set we get at 1st lvl. But STILL a set of our GIVEN recipes.</p><p>BUT, that said, I only posted this as a possible compormise. I'd rather see this than to never see them in game other then through SC purchases.</p>

Disillusional
12-21-2011, 08:36 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I hear some blaming Domino, and others defending her. And she HAS done a lot for our community. Her tag now says WWSJD - what would smokejumper do.  And I really DO NOT like the vast majority of the changes that Smokejumper is behind, and you can't tell me that this wasn't planned. SOE is really showing the playerbase where the priority is - the cash shops.</p><p>I can and will blame Domino. I'm sorry to have to do so, but she is the roleplayer and tradeskill and decorators  VOICE to the Devs.  She was hailed as a hero because she was ONE OF US who went to work for SOE and THEN did the things that needed to be done.</p><p>This did not need to be done. It is not an improvement. It is a detriment.  I'm sorry, Domino. I'm holding out hope that you will fix this mess that shouldn't have happened.</p></blockquote><p>it's not productive to play the blame game here. Regardless of how I feel about Domino, I think that to start blaming devs and producers is not going to get us anywhere.</p>

egyptiangothic
12-21-2011, 09:07 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think some people here needs to remember a few things:</p><p> 1.  If you are a gold member with a recurring plan, you get 500 SC a month.</p><p> 2a.  If you took advantage of the triple SC day... the $15 you spent at walmart got you 6000 SC or $0.125 per building block @ 50 sc each.</p><p> 2b.  If you took advantage of the double SC day... the $15 you spent at walmart got you 4000 SC or $0.1875 per building block @ 50 sc each.</p><p> 3.  I would bet there will be more double or triple SC days in the future.</p></blockquote><p>Ummm!</p><p>1.I'm a gold account reacurring and i <span style="text-decoration: underline;">do not</span> get 500sc a month never since i came back have i ever recived 500sc per month other than when i have purchased it!2. Tripple SC when did this happen!</p><p>Even with all this extra SC does not make it right to put items like this up on the marketplace, we pay enough for subscriptions and everything else that cant be made such as expantions,houses,mounts, all these add up to hundreds of £'s spent by everyone who opt to purchase stuff... adding these items is plain and simple greedyness, sell the recipe fine ill pay 250sc for a recipe to make as many as i like, add in a few rectangles , triangles  doorways and window frames and you can actualy make a house, put some sort of skin you can scribe on the marketplace paid with SC so that u can have a drop down option to the same items for extra choice of colour, or texture... i purchase off market place like most of you  but i WILL NOT be buying these items as i simply cannot afford to waste preciouse SC to make a house thats going to cost me £8/£16 or more 500 SC =£4 not going to happen here sorry SOE you have made a bad call here!</p><p>This farse has made everyone shout out!</p><p>And has any one noticed a <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>RED</strong></span> responce to this thread yet! after 5 pages you would of thought some one would of replied!</p>

Bremethor Uthorzant
12-21-2011, 09:22 PM
<p>Well i am sure a red name has taken some notice in these if they haven't then they are just turning a blind eye. What's the old saying what i can't see isn't there? Anyways, i hope they are reading this posting because we have all had plenty of good ideas and i have visited every possible place in which to point out the amount of people dissapointed with this recent turn of events. I am hoping to continue to /feedback this thing every single day till i see some sort of response to the player base.</p>

snarlycarly
12-21-2011, 11:43 PM
<p>I don't think it's fair to blame Domino, she's done alot for the TS community.  She likely may have voiced her opinion but this is a business and now that they've given up the monthly subscription rates that brought in the money and paid their salaries and overhead costs,  they have to find another way to make money. </p><p>As someone that works in a 'dev' shop and has seen jobs outsourced year after year to India, you learn not to complain too loudly or resist the 'change' if you want to stay employed.   Just my two cents on the matter.</p>

CorpseGoddess
12-22-2011, 12:29 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I hear some blaming Domino, and others defending her. And she HAS done a lot for our community. Her tag now says WWSJD - what would smokejumper do.  And I really DO NOT like the vast majority of the changes that Smokejumper is behind, and you can't tell me that this wasn't planned. SOE is really showing the playerbase where the priority is - the cash shops.</p><p>I can and will blame Domino. I'm sorry to have to do so, but she is the roleplayer and tradeskill and decorators  VOICE to the Devs.  She was hailed as a hero because she was ONE OF US who went to work for SOE and THEN did the things that needed to be done.</p><p>This did not need to be done. It is not an improvement. It is a detriment.  I'm sorry, Domino. I'm holding out hope that you will fix this mess that shouldn't have happened.</p></blockquote><p>it's not productive to play the blame game here. Regardless of how I feel about Domino, I think that to start blaming devs and producers is not going to get us anywhere.</p></blockquote><p>Agree completely, and I said as much in the thread in the Community Forum.  This will only make us look petty and dilute our argument and concerns.</p>

Catria
12-22-2011, 02:30 AM
<p>I'm not blaming Domino.  However.  I actually did tweet her begging her to look into this and fix it and never got a response.  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Sharann
12-22-2011, 04:27 AM
<p>I've read a few posts suggesting as a compromise to lower the cost of these blocks etc. I think we must stay firm here in stating that we do not want to buy building components (per item or per package) with SC. It does not take 10 cherry grove beds to build a house, 1 is sufficient, however how many blocks does it take to build a house? That's where it went totally wrong.</p><p>If you have to start counting your items in order not to go over budget then there is an issue. I feel trapped by this system and I just hope no one is buying them and that SOE quickly comes up with a solution. We've been wanting these for so many years, but not under these conditions.</p><p>I wish this were sorted out before Xmas so we could finally enjoy using these blocks and build some nice stuff during the holidays, but I guess we'll have to wait...<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" /></p>

Deveryn
12-22-2011, 04:56 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm not blaming Domino.  However.  I actually did tweet her begging her to look into this and fix it and never got a response.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Domino's a lot busier than she used to be. I wouldn't expect a response right away, if at all.</p><p>Everyone just needs to relax. We'll have our player made building blocks soon enough. If you think about it, it wouldn't make sense to release the free items and then put the SC items up after. You're less likely to make any sales that way.</p>

Deveryn
12-22-2011, 04:58 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I hear some blaming Domino, and others defending her. And she HAS done a lot for our community. Her tag now says WWSJD - what would smokejumper do.  And I really DO NOT like the vast majority of the changes that Smokejumper is behind, and you can't tell me that this wasn't planned. SOE is really showing the playerbase where the priority is - the cash shops.</p><p>I can and will blame Domino. I'm sorry to have to do so, but she is the roleplayer and tradeskill and decorators  VOICE to the Devs.  She was hailed as a hero because she was ONE OF US who went to work for SOE and THEN did the things that needed to be done.</p><p>This did not need to be done. It is not an improvement. It is a detriment.  I'm sorry, Domino. I'm holding out hope that you will fix this mess that shouldn't have happened.</p></blockquote><p>it's not productive to play the blame game here. Regardless of how I feel about Domino, I think that to start blaming devs and producers is not going to get us anywhere.</p></blockquote><p>Agree completely, and I said as much in the thread in the Community Forum.  This will only make us look petty and dilute our argument and concerns.</p></blockquote><p>This place reads like general forum these days. Sad stuff.</p>

Farahn
12-22-2011, 08:06 AM
<p>This is a horrific display of "Queen Bee Syndrome" and it makes my belly hurt.  You ladies and few gents need to take a hard look at your life and figure out what's important.</p><p>Dont buy the blocks.   Simple as that.  The fact that our little community thinks that stuff should happen just because we ask is utterly rediculous.  Either the 7 pages here are written by 12 year olds or EQ is too much a part of your real world.  Either way, it's embarassing and somewhat shameful........</p><p>I used to think we had the greatest community in the game - free of the garbage that the PvPers or Raiders share -  But I'm beginning to realize that this little paradise is truly no different.  I'm very, very sad about this.</p><p>Can we please put a cap on it and move on?  </p>

Baggottcrew
12-22-2011, 08:09 AM
<p>I need to add my voice to this thread also, I was <strong><em>so</em></strong> excited to see the building blocks and then fell off my chair at the potential cost implications!</p><p>I am so dissapointed that these are not available without having to spend more hard earned cash .... like many I would give hours to a quest series, days/weeks building up faction or earning tokens to buy these recipes to put in my recipe book and keep forever!</p><p>No matter how fantastic these models are .. I can not and will not buy them from Marketplace ever!!</p>

Bremethor Uthorzant
12-22-2011, 08:21 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is a horrific display of "Queen Bee Syndrome" and it makes my belly hurt.  You ladies and few gents need to take a hard look at your life and figure out what's important.</p><p>Dont buy the blocks.   Simple as that.  The fact that our little community thinks that stuff should happen just because we ask is utterly rediculous.  Either the 7 pages here are written by 12 year olds or EQ is too much a part of your real world.  Either way, it's embarassing and somewhat shameful........</p><p>I used to think we had the greatest community in the game - free of the garbage that the PvPers or Raiders share -  But I'm beginning to realize that this little paradise is truly no different.  I'm very, very sad about this.</p><p>Can we please put a cap on it and move on?  </p></blockquote><p> We are a bunch of players here who feel passionate about something and we are here because we want our voices to be heard. Granted this is only a game BUT somebody has our gaming dollars in their hands and as such we think this is an issue worth speaking up about. So we won't buy them yes, that is correct we won't. We want SOE to acknowledge that there are gamers here who do pay for this game with their hard earned money. We think it fair to bring these items to the carpenters in game as such we can further build upon the community as a whole with the backing of the devs. Hey, i spend my money just like everyone else with station cash. Its not like none of us use the service to buy things and what not. But when something like this comes along than someone has to put a foot down on the matter. Its obviously not you but that's fine, your entitled to your opinion. We are entitled to ours as well. Obviously this is completely counterpoint to what you feel is a bunch of people whining. At the end of the day the answer is simple, IF you don't like what we are speaking our minds about....Don't read it. Can't make it any more simplified than that to be honest.</p>

Ascenionn
12-22-2011, 08:31 AM
<p></p><p >These building blocks are simply not fluff items and to put out there for Station Cash is sinfully wrong. Since these items are essential to be used as the corner stones of many large decorating projects the sheer volume required makes buying them impractical.<span>  </span>It is ill-conceived decisions like this that continually come back and bite this game. What are they thinking? Is the end game to get rid of subscriptions and go totally Station Cash?</p>

Sharann
12-22-2011, 08:58 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is a horrific display of "Queen Bee Syndrome" and it makes my belly hurt.  You ladies and few gents need to take a hard look at your life and figure out what's important.</p><p>Dont buy the blocks.   Simple as that.  The fact that our little community thinks that stuff should happen just because we ask is utterly rediculous.  Either the 7 pages here are written by 12 year olds or EQ is too much a part of your real world.  Either way, it's embarassing and somewhat shameful........</p><p>I used to think we had the greatest community in the game - free of the garbage that the PvPers or Raiders share -  But I'm beginning to realize that this little paradise is truly no different.  I'm very, very sad about this.</p><p>Can we please put a cap on it and move on?  </p></blockquote><p>Very nice and constructive comment indeed...</p>

Slip
12-22-2011, 09:10 AM
<p>Adding my 2cp</p><p>I will not be buying these blocks....</p><p>The recipes should belong to carpenters.</p>

Koldriana
12-22-2011, 10:12 AM
<p>I feel that it is vital that the crafting community remain strong in our stand against placing these 'basic' items on the Marketplace instead of providing recipies to carpenters. We have been asked to deal with the fact that some of the nicest looking furniture items in the game were made purchasable instead of having new recipies - or even upgrades to our old player made furniture to make it look more 'polished'.</p><p>Now we are being asked to accept that the most BASIC items that decorators will use (not even furniture) should be bought instead of player made. This is not acceptable. Sell whatever completed furniture sets you wish for SC to make the non-crafters happy but the BASIC building blocks of decorators should not be subject to this scheme. We have begged for these things for years and to finally start putting them into the game as purchasable items is a slap in the face to many of us that have been here since the early days. Tiles in all shapes, blocks, banisters, dividers and column recipies should be available to carpenters in EVERY skin that we currently have. When this is done we may deign to BUY some special ones for SC but not until.</p><p>I am adding my voice to this thread in solidarity with my community.</p>

Khiara
12-22-2011, 11:35 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is a horrific display of "Queen Bee Syndrome" and it makes my belly hurt.  You ladies and few gents need to take a hard look at your life and figure out what's important.</p><p>Dont buy the blocks.   Simple as that.  The fact that our little community thinks that stuff should happen just because we ask is utterly rediculous.  Either the 7 pages here are written by 12 year olds or EQ is too much a part of your real world.  Either way, it's embarassing and somewhat shameful........</p><p>I used to think we had the greatest community in the game - free of the garbage that the PvPers or Raiders share -  But I'm beginning to realize that this little paradise is truly no different.  I'm very, very sad about this.</p><p>Can we please put a cap on it and move on?  </p></blockquote><p> We are a bunch of players here who feel passionate about something and we are here because we want our voices to be heard. Granted this is only a game BUT somebody has our gaming dollars in their hands and as such we think this is an issue worth speaking up about. So we won't buy them yes, that is correct we won't. We want SOE to acknowledge that there are gamers here who do pay for this game with their hard earned money. We think it fair to bring these items to the carpenters in game as such we can further build upon the community as a whole with the backing of the devs. Hey, i spend my money just like everyone else with station cash. Its not like none of us use the service to buy things and what not. But when something like this comes along than someone has to put a foot down on the matter. Its obviously not you but that's fine, your entitled to your opinion. We are entitled to ours as well. Obviously this is completely counterpoint to what you feel is a bunch of people whining.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em><strong> <span style="color: #ff0000;">At the end of the day the answer is simple, IF you don't like what we are speaking our minds about....Don't read it. Can't make it any more simplified than that to be honest.</span></strong></em></span></p></blockquote><p>Exactly...nuff said</p>

Sandyfoot
12-22-2011, 11:45 AM
<p>I did purchase three blocks just to see how they size up. 1 "tall" divider, 1 "wide" divider and a "round" tile (metalic).</p> <p>They don't scale very well at all and are too small. To really do something with them would require many (as others had said) and the current offering is not exciting enough to cause me to want to spend any more SC on them.</p> <p>I agree with those who feel we (carpenters) should be able to make "basic" building blocks to go along with the tiles and dividers we can already make.</p> <p>"Fancy"blocks could match existing SC furniture. They could match interiors of prestige homes that have unusual color/pattern schemes.</p> <p>There is a huge potential there for SC blocks and the selection could grow with colors and shapes that are beyond the "basics"... (basic meaning in game tiers of tiles and dividers)</p> <p>I would be interested in "fancy" building blocks to go along with some of the SC furniture or prestige homes. But, they would have to scale like all the other tiles, dividers and columns do.</p> <p>As it stands right now, I will not spend any more SC on the marketplace building blocks.</p>

Cyliena
12-22-2011, 12:00 PM
<p><cite>Sandyfoot wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I agree with those who feel we (carpenters) should be able to make "basic" building blocks to go along with the tiles and dividers we can already make. <p>"Fancy"blocks could match existing SC furniture. They could match interiors of prestige homes that have unusual color/pattern schemes.</p> <p>There is a huge potential there for SC blocks and the selection could grow with colors and shapes that are beyond the "basics"... (basic meaning in game tiers of tiles and dividers)</p> <p>I would be interested in "fancy" building blocks to go along with some of the SC furniture or prestige homes. But, they would have to scale like all the other tiles, dividers and columns do.</p></blockquote><p>This completely sums up my thoughts on the matter. Carpenters should be able to make ones that match what they can already make and the Marketplace can have fancier ones (hopefully at more reasonable prices) that go beyond that, match current SC house item sets and so forth.</p>

egyptiangothic
12-22-2011, 12:03 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is a horrific display of "Queen Bee Syndrome" and it makes my belly hurt.  You ladies and few gents need to take a hard look at your life and figure out what's important.</p><p>Dont buy the blocks.   Simple as that.  The fact that our little community thinks that stuff should happen just because we ask is utterly rediculous.  Either the 7 pages here are written by 12 year olds or EQ is too much a part of your real world.  Either way, it's embarassing and somewhat shameful........</p><p>I used to think we had the greatest community in the game - free of the garbage that the PvPers or Raiders share -  But I'm beginning to realize that this little paradise is truly no different.  I'm very, very sad about this.</p><p>Can we please put a cap on it and move on?  </p></blockquote><p>1. i belive we do look at our lives and we know whats important  (in real life) so this comment was unnessasery! and im sure that real life comes first with all.</p><p>2. We are all united in our voices here and wont be buying any of these items. So this is and irrelivent comment also!</p><p>Why is it rediculous that when a community act as one it souldnt be listened too.</p><p>i can assure you that 12 year olds  havent written these comments so this is a silly comment also.</p><p>Every one deals with real life in there own way and this game is an outlet to meny, with ways to cope with things we cant cope with in real life ( for me its a excape from having to think about my mother who is dieing, rather than drinking or going off the rails, its an escape), or a place to show off artistic tallent otherwised left untouched.</p><p>if your embarressed  simple thing is dont read it!</p><p>3. we DO have a great community here this is the most friendly place and people who spend there free time helping others.</p><p>some of us do raid and pvp (its not one of my cups of tea!)but why shouldnt we be able to voice our oppinions when something is not right for our game style play!</p><p>if your sad about this  then  this is your oppinion and you are entitled to have this feeling just as we are about the awful problem that we voice.</p><p>your points are not as valid as they may seem! we are all standing as one, to bring our lives in to this was an uncalled for comment! we are talking about our love of our game and the way we express our inner most visions that other wise we could not be able to do.</p>

Aiana
12-22-2011, 12:07 PM
<p><cite>Cyliena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sandyfoot wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I agree with those who feel we (carpenters) should be able to make "basic" building blocks to go along with the tiles and dividers we can already make. <p>"Fancy"blocks could match existing SC furniture. They could match interiors of prestige homes that have unusual color/pattern schemes.</p><p>There is a huge potential there for SC blocks and the selection could grow with colors and shapes that are beyond the "basics"... (basic meaning in game tiers of tiles and dividers)</p><p>I would be interested in "fancy" building blocks to go along with some of the SC furniture or prestige homes. But, they would have to scale like all the other tiles, dividers and columns do.</p></blockquote><p>This completely sums up my thoughts on the matter. Carpenters should be able to make ones that match what they can already make and the Marketplace can have fancier ones (hopefully at more reasonable prices) that go beyond that, match current SC house item sets and so forth.</p></blockquote><p>+1</p>

Eanae
12-22-2011, 01:05 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is a horrific display of "Queen Bee Syndrome" and it makes my belly hurt.  You ladies and few gents need to take a hard look at your life and figure out what's important.</p><p>Dont buy the blocks.   Simple as that.  The fact that our little community thinks that stuff should happen just because we ask is utterly rediculous.  Either the 7 pages here are written by 12 year olds or EQ is too much a part of your real world.  Either way, it's embarassing and somewhat shameful........</p><p>I used to think we had the greatest community in the game - free of the garbage that the PvPers or Raiders share -  But I'm beginning to realize that this little paradise is truly no different.  I'm very, very sad about this.</p><p>Can we please put a cap on it and move on?  </p></blockquote><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: #ffffff; font-size: small;">For gosh sakes. Your belly is hurting you over what people are expressing in their forum about their concerns. Then you may need to take a look at your life and figure out what is important if their responses are bothering you that badly. This is their spot to express what they like and do not like.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Stating that the pages here are written by 12 year olds in EQ is totally wrong. BTW rediculous is spelled ridiculous. See how helpful we can be. </span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: #ffffff; font-size: small;">Please do not criticize anyone here for expressing their ideas or concerns in the area that is allocated for them to do this. The title of this subject is Cash for Building Blocks? That seems to be what they are talking about and expressing their ideas and concerns over. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I do not care and nor should you if this was 100 pages long. It is their spot and their right to say what they want about the topic and how it affects their game play. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They also have every right to expect a response.</span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: #ffffff; font-size: small;">So if you do not like what the people are expressing and want to try and belittle them, then I suggest you follow your own suggestion, Move On. They appear to be doing what the forum is intended for. It is you who are out of line and off topic. My advice to you is, if you think they are just spewing garbage, then dont take your time to read it. </span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: #ffffff; font-size: small;">As someone stated, not one Dev has responded to this thread and they should. This is a game to us, but a business to them. The customers issues should be addressed in some fashion. Regardless if it is what we want to hear or not is irrelevant. Someone should address this issue in this forum. </span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: #ffffff; font-size: small;">These building blocks should have been in recipe form, not in the MarketPlace.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>In all honesty, this is the only logical choice. I am adding my voice to the others who think this is a wrong move on SOE's part and in addition I throw a Tums to Bibbony out of kindness for his/her tummy. If you need something stronger, please see your doctor. What people say here should not be upsetting you that badly.</span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: #000000; font-size: small;"> </span></p>

quiarrah
12-22-2011, 01:35 PM
<p>I also do not agree with SOE putting the Building Blocks up for SC. It disgusts me. That being said however, look at how long it took them to give Carpentars the ability to make Room dividers and signs. We all had to wait for City Festivals for those. Granted, we cant make the same ones . . but at least we can make them. </p><p>My prayer is that SOE is just putting these up on SC to see how they go over so they can determine if they are going to give us the ability to make others. Perhaps not the same ones. . . .I mean. . . there are things that we buy in real life that cannot be made (by ourselves). But at least give us the ability to make the building blocks to match the tiles and room dividers we can already make. I for one LOVE the white stone room dividers and tiles my carpentar can make. </p><p>I may buy one set. . . .just to see how they work. . .maybe build a little alcove or something off a room in my Lavastorm home. But to have to buy a ton of them to actually build something substancial? NO WAY in hades. I have bills to pay in RL. . . my money goes elsewhere.</p>

CorpseGoddess
12-22-2011, 02:28 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm not blaming Domino.  However.  I actually did tweet her begging her to look into this and fix it and never got a response.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Domino's a lot busier than she used to be. I wouldn't expect a response right away, if at all.</p><p>Everyone just needs to relax. We'll have our player made building blocks soon enough. If you think about it, it wouldn't make sense to release the free items and then put the SC items up after. You're less likely to make any sales that way.</p></blockquote><p>I have to disagree with this.  If they gave us simple ones, to match the dividers and tiles we already have, let us build projects with those, and then BAM!  Released some GORGEOUS, SUPER-UBER builiding blocks, I think they would have made a BOATLOAD of money off of us.</p><p>As it now stands, they're not going to make a dime off the decorating community.</p>

CorpseGoddess
12-22-2011, 02:45 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is a horrific display of "Queen Bee Syndrome" and it makes my belly hurt.  You ladies and few gents need to take a hard look at your life and figure out what's important.</p><p>Dont buy the blocks.   Simple as that.  The fact that our little community thinks that stuff should happen just because we ask is utterly rediculous.  Either the 7 pages here are written by 12 year olds or EQ is too much a part of your real world.  Either way, it's embarassing and somewhat shameful........</p><p>I used to think we had the greatest community in the game - free of the garbage that the PvPers or Raiders share -  But I'm beginning to realize that this little paradise is truly no different.  I'm very, very sad about this.</p><p>Can we please put a cap on it and move on?  </p></blockquote><p>Wow.  You should count yourself lucky you don't consider yourself part of the general population, or any of the other communities in this game, then.  Did you read any of their reactions to...oh, I don't know...ANYTHING ELSE INTRODUCED TO THIS GAME EVER?</p><p>You want tantrums and whining written by 12-year-olds?  Go look at <em>any other thread</em> in the entire EQ2 forum.  This is one of the most articulate and civilised groups of people coming together to voice a shared concern I've ever seen.</p><p>I'm not sure what Utopia you thought the Decorating Community lived in, but there's no such animal.  Just because we have a (very valid) complaint does not instantly turn us into carpers and whiners.  In fact, in this case it has done just the opposite--it's united us even further.</p>

Slip
12-22-2011, 04:28 PM
<p>I'm seriously trying to figure out the escalation of this new marketing strategy of theirs.</p><p>SOE - please take note of this thread, we are aware and we are watching.</p><p>With respect to my fellow players -I look at it this way -every time something that should be in this game and earnable by players, is posted up for SC purchase, those who buy it are actually paying SOE ...NOT to play this game.</p><p>Think about it...</p>

Deveryn
12-22-2011, 04:40 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm not blaming Domino.  However.  I actually did tweet her begging her to look into this and fix it and never got a response.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Domino's a lot busier than she used to be. I wouldn't expect a response right away, if at all.</p><p>Everyone just needs to relax. We'll have our player made building blocks soon enough. If you think about it, it wouldn't make sense to release the free items and then put the SC items up after. You're less likely to make any sales that way.</p></blockquote><p>I have to disagree with this.  If they gave us simple ones, to match the dividers and tiles we already have, let us build projects with those, and then BAM!  Released some GORGEOUS, SUPER-UBER builiding blocks, I think they would have made a BOATLOAD of money off of us.</p><p>As it now stands, they're not going to make a dime off the decorating community.</p></blockquote><p>They really don't <strong>have</strong> to give you anything. It's their game, you signed their EULA which could even say this somewhere. They opt for listening to you, but that doesn't mean they have to go for the obviously poor sales method of releasing the free stuff first. The only thing they HAVE to do is make money first, so they can keep providing content and provide for their families.</p><p>Not making a dime off a handful of people with entitlement issues probably won't hurt them much.</p>

CorpseGoddess
12-22-2011, 05:18 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm not blaming Domino.  However.  I actually did tweet her begging her to look into this and fix it and never got a response.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Domino's a lot busier than she used to be. I wouldn't expect a response right away, if at all.</p><p>Everyone just needs to relax. We'll have our player made building blocks soon enough. If you think about it, it wouldn't make sense to release the free items and then put the SC items up after. You're less likely to make any sales that way.</p></blockquote><p>I have to disagree with this.  If they gave us simple ones, to match the dividers and tiles we already have, let us build projects with those, and then BAM!  Released some GORGEOUS, SUPER-UBER builiding blocks, I think they would have made a BOATLOAD of money off of us.</p><p>As it now stands, they're not going to make a dime off the decorating community.</p></blockquote><p>They really don't <strong>have</strong> to give you anything. It's their game, you signed their EULA which could even say this somewhere. They opt for listening to you, but that doesn't mean they have to go for the obviously poor sales method of releasing the free stuff first. The only thing they HAVE to do is make money first, so they can keep providing content and provide for their families.</p><p>Not making a dime off a handful of people with entitlement issues probably won't hurt them much.</p></blockquote><p>I'm usually pretty easy-going, but I do take umbrage with people accusing me of having entitlement issues.  I am one of the people that rails against that sort of thing.</p><p>I'm not asking for something to be given to me, for free, without earning it.  THAT would be somebody with entitlement issues.  I'm asking for something to be implemented into the game, that I can work for and earn, or pay for, or otherwise ACQUIRE.  I'm not looking for a handout, or unreasonably demanding something, or asking for the moon.</p><p>Please make sure you have your definitions and arguments straight before you start lobbing them about with abandon.</p>

thewarriorpoet
12-22-2011, 05:43 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm not blaming Domino.  However.  I actually did tweet her begging her to look into this and fix it and never got a response.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Domino's a lot busier than she used to be. I wouldn't expect a response right away, if at all.</p><p>Everyone just needs to relax. We'll have our player made building blocks soon enough. If you think about it, it wouldn't make sense to release the free items and then put the SC items up after. You're less likely to make any sales that way.</p></blockquote><p>I have to disagree with this.  If they gave us simple ones, to match the dividers and tiles we already have, let us build projects with those, and then BAM!  Released some GORGEOUS, SUPER-UBER builiding blocks, I think they would have made a BOATLOAD of money off of us.</p><p>As it now stands, they're not going to make a dime off the decorating community.</p></blockquote><p>Exactly, the drug dealer model. Once I got used to the simply skinned ones I'd be hooked and might actually drop the money for the pretty ones.</p>

thewarriorpoet
12-22-2011, 05:47 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm seriously trying to figure out the escalation of this new marketing strategy of theirs.</p><p>SOE - please take note of this thread, we are aware and we are watching.</p><p>With respect to my fellow players -I look at it this way -every time something that should be in this game and earnable by players, is posted up for SC purchase, those who buy it are actually paying SOE ...NOT to play this game.</p><p>Think about it...</p></blockquote><p>So very true, and its been happening for a LONG time. So long infact most don't realize we are paying for access to the station store. SOE has every right to do this, but this thread has been very good at pointing out that there are better ways for them to make more money WHILE giving us what we want.</p>

Aerfen
12-22-2011, 05:49 PM
<p>Let's not let ourselves get into a flame war with these folks...they are just looking to ruffle feathers and get attention.</p><p>It's clear that the majority of decorators/carpenters agree that basic building blocks should have gone to carpenters, and that SOE made a terrible error in judgement.</p>

Atmu
12-22-2011, 06:25 PM
<p>hellos,</p><p>I am not posting a lot but the building blocks also made me sigh. You need on most projects so many of them I will rather not buy them but try to build without them. I agree that maybe the person in charge  throwing them out on SC is not aware that  a pack of those  or ten tiles is just nothing on a usual project.  Tiles and building blocks and also stairs have been in demand for such a long time and I am so sorry to see them now on SC.</p><p>There are other things surely people would buy like a shool of fish or kitchen and bathroom stuff that could go there  (though I still would like to see them as quests or recipies). But the protest would not be as loud for those I assume.</p><p>greetings Mu!</p>

Tsumaranai
12-22-2011, 07:38 PM
<p>add me to the chorus, who consider this a very disappointing development, indeed. it seems perfectly reasonable to me to have very special or unique items, such as the fancy cheese cart or the casino games et. al., available for SC. but SC for building blocks? this is JUST. SO. WRONG. in every way. including also the miniscule size of the sets. obviously whoever came up with this epically stupid idea has never decorated ingame. it's a travesty and an insult to every dedicated decorator and carpenter in the game.</p><p>and many thanks to my favorite dread pirate, for having the intestinal fortitude to post about this in such a calm straightforward manner. had it been me it would have been all ranting and swearing and explatives not suitable for a 'family' audience.</p><p>and btw, as probably the oldest consistently working jeweler on AB the idea of carpenters making jewelry ain't really making me a happy little teir'dal neither. *shakes tiny blue fist*</p>

Deveryn
12-22-2011, 08:29 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm not blaming Domino.  However.  I actually did tweet her begging her to look into this and fix it and never got a response.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Domino's a lot busier than she used to be. I wouldn't expect a response right away, if at all.</p><p>Everyone just needs to relax. We'll have our player made building blocks soon enough. If you think about it, it wouldn't make sense to release the free items and then put the SC items up after. You're less likely to make any sales that way.</p></blockquote><p>I have to disagree with this.  If they gave us simple ones, to match the dividers and tiles we already have, let us build projects with those, and then BAM!  Released some GORGEOUS, SUPER-UBER builiding blocks, I think they would have made a BOATLOAD of money off of us.</p><p>As it now stands, they're not going to make a dime off the decorating community.</p></blockquote><p>They really don't <strong>have</strong> to give you anything. It's their game, you signed their EULA which could even say this somewhere. They opt for listening to you, but that doesn't mean they have to go for the obviously poor sales method of releasing the free stuff first. The only thing they HAVE to do is make money first, so they can keep providing content and provide for their families.</p><p>Not making a dime off a handful of people with entitlement issues probably won't hurt them much.</p></blockquote><p>I'm usually pretty easy-going, but I do take umbrage with people accusing me of having entitlement issues.  I am one of the people that rails against that sort of thing.</p><p>I'm not asking for something to be given to me, for free, without earning it.  THAT would be somebody with entitlement issues.  I'm asking for something to be implemented into the game, that I can work for and earn, or pay for, or otherwise ACQUIRE.  I'm not looking for a handout, or unreasonably demanding something, or asking for the moon.</p><p>Please make sure you have your definitions and arguments straight before you start lobbing them about with abandon.</p></blockquote><p>Did I accuse you directly? No. I made a general statement on the vibe in this thread. You can't deny that there are those around here with some sense of entitlement. Certainly, any post that includes the phrase "I pay <em>x</em>..." reeks of that. There's a lot of whining, pettiness and knee-jerk reactions to a pretty harmless listing of goods.</p><p>You and others asked for something to be implemented into the game. It's happening. For those that miss the podcasts and news feeds, this is a sign that it will be implemented. I know that they're looking to make money in other ways, but I don't believe they're just going to release a mere two sets of building blocks. So, they decided to try something new with how they release the content. There's no need for this kind of unrest.</p>

Rijacki
12-22-2011, 08:49 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>We'll have our player made building blocks soon enough. If you think about it, it wouldn't make sense to release the free items and then put the SC items up after. You're less likely to make any sales that way.</p></blockquote><p>Name just ONE item that was first put on the Marketplace (or even LoN) and then, even in a different colour, was put into a recipe for any crafting class.</p><p>Name just ONE item that was first put on the Marketplace (or even LoN) and then, even in a different colour, was put into the game as a quest reward or something that could be purchased from an NPC.</p><p>There are, however, examples of items which were put on the Marketplace and then discovered to be 100% identical in appearance to an item that had already been in game for many months and it was the item already in game that had its appearance changed. (one of them was a robe from the faction merchants in Nek Forest by the Falls, I don't recall which one it was).</p><p>There are even examples of items which were first in-game and then, in another colour, added to the Marketplace which never got another colour version added to the game.</p><p>I'd actually not be surprised at all if the cobblestone tile was taken out of in-game availability since it's now in that pack, unless it's not the same (hard to tell from the screen shot and I didn't look at the preview window in game last night).</p><p>IF the cash shop was an -alternate- way to obtain things that had some availability in game, it wouldn't be so bad. BUT if the cash shop remains the ONLY way to obtain the items which start there and many which are added there after first being in game, it's not an -alternate- for building blocks.</p><p>As a side note, I'm sure what items get added are with the thought of 'how can we have a Silver pay for the game' rather than with the thought of Golds 'paying double'. The pricing appears to be with the mindset of the SC value at teh cheapest possible price, i.e. the existance of triple bonus sets these as a value of 17 cents each, not 50 cents each.</p>

CorpseGoddess
12-22-2011, 08:51 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm not blaming Domino.  However.  I actually did tweet her begging her to look into this and fix it and never got a response.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Domino's a lot busier than she used to be. I wouldn't expect a response right away, if at all.</p><p>Everyone just needs to relax. We'll have our player made building blocks soon enough. If you think about it, it wouldn't make sense to release the free items and then put the SC items up after. You're less likely to make any sales that way.</p></blockquote><p>I have to disagree with this.  If they gave us simple ones, to match the dividers and tiles we already have, let us build projects with those, and then BAM!  Released some GORGEOUS, SUPER-UBER builiding blocks, I think they would have made a BOATLOAD of money off of us.</p><p>As it now stands, they're not going to make a dime off the decorating community.</p></blockquote><p>They really don't <strong>have</strong> to give you anything. It's their game, you signed their EULA which could even say this somewhere. They opt for listening to you, but that doesn't mean they have to go for the obviously poor sales method of releasing the free stuff first. The only thing they HAVE to do is make money first, so they can keep providing content and provide for their families.</p><p>Not making a dime off a handful of people with entitlement issues probably won't hurt them much.</p></blockquote><p>I'm usually pretty easy-going, but I do take umbrage with people accusing me of having entitlement issues.  I am one of the people that rails against that sort of thing.</p><p>I'm not asking for something to be given to me, for free, without earning it.  THAT would be somebody with entitlement issues.  I'm asking for something to be implemented into the game, that I can work for and earn, or pay for, or otherwise ACQUIRE.  I'm not looking for a handout, or unreasonably demanding something, or asking for the moon.</p><p>Please make sure you have your definitions and arguments straight before you start lobbing them about with abandon.</p></blockquote><p>Did I accuse you directly? No. I made a general statement on the vibe in this thread. You can't deny that there are those around here with some sense of entitlement. Certainly, any post that includes the phrase "I pay <em>x</em>..." reeks of that. There's a lot of whining, pettiness and knee-jerk reactions to a pretty harmless listing of goods.</p><p>You and others asked for something to be implemented into the game. It's happening. For those that miss the podcasts and news feeds, this is a sign that it will be implemented. I know that they're looking to make money in other ways, but I don't believe they're just going to release a mere two sets of building blocks. So, they decided to try something new with how they release the content. There's no need for this kind of unrest.</p></blockquote><p>Sorry.  There were an awful lot of "you's" in your post and you were quoting me, so I naturally assumed that your post was aimed at me.  Silly thing that I am.</p><p>And I respectfully disagree with you.  There absolutely IS a need for this sort of unrest.  You're right, they wouldn't merely release two sets of building blocks.  They would release many, many more---on the Market.  And I believe if we don't put up a fuss, we'll never see any in-game for carpenters that aren't SC-bought.</p>

Bhael
12-22-2011, 09:15 PM
<blockquote><p>... There absolutely IS a need for this sort of unrest...</p></blockquote><p>I completely agree with this. Change like this NEVER comes from silent apathy. It comes from unrest. Very, VERY loud unrest. A united front showing those at fault that we will not accept this quietly. That we are indeed quite angry with them for this. This is nothing new. Its how ANYTHING gets done in this world. In politics, in the workplace and in retail. Everywhere. The squeeky wheel gets the grease.</p><p>I don't know about anybody else but I plan to be very squeeky about this. lol.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p><span style="font-size: xx-large; color: #ff0000;">SQUEEK!!!!</span>  <span style="font-size: xx-large; color: #ff0000;">SQUEEK!!!! </span><span style="font-size: xx-large; color: #ff0000;">SQUEEEEEEEEEEEK!!!!</span></p>

Domino
12-22-2011, 09:40 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm actually excited. To me, it's just a teaser to the next carpenter update.</p></blockquote><p>We can only hope...</p></blockquote><p>Well, it's good to see a lot of people are interested in the items anyway! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Please keep in mind that marketplace updates happen on a weekly schedule; carpenter (and other in-game updates) happen on an entirely different schedule.  We do intend for carpenters to get some building block recipes also; I'm sure more details will be forthcoming when it's a little closer to the time.</p>

Bremethor Uthorzant
12-22-2011, 09:53 PM
<p><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm actually excited. To me, it's just a teaser to the next carpenter update.</p></blockquote><p>We can only hope...</p></blockquote><p>Well, it's good to see a lot of people are interested in the items anyway! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Please keep in mind that marketplace updates happen on a weekly schedule; carpenter (and other in-game updates) happen on an entirely different schedule.  We do intend for carpenters to get some building block recipes also; I'm sure more details will be forthcoming when it's a little closer to the time.</p></blockquote><p> well i look forward to the chance to get my own building block recipes as a carpenter and i look forward to the next update where carpenters can finally run wild with new recipes again! Till then i don't think i can sit here and justify buying a bunch of the tiles available with how much money i currently make per month. Looking forward to the building block recipes! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Maisland
12-22-2011, 09:54 PM
<p><cite>Arbreth wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The only thing I have ever broken down to buy for SC, other than the Homes, which I still feel should be available in quested form, and character slots *ahem*, is clothes and precious little of those.  I will not touch these, they are too expensive and should have been provided to the crafters in some way or other as recipes.  Even if the acquiring is similar to how Sages get the knowlege to make books.</p><p>Free to pay... I already pay to enjoy this game, it is the only entertainment item in my budget, and I had even bought the extremely overpriced not-expansion.  These should have been one of those items in that feature pack and not an insult to those that have generated a means to keep playrs in the game so you can dangle SC furniture and homes in front of us.</p><p>SOE... I do not need you, therefore you should be trying harder to keep me, a paying customer, happy, or at least mollified more than you have been lately.  Correct your gaffe.</p></blockquote><p>My SC spending is much the same... I will buy prestige homes, expanders, character slots (hello, my name is Zarandar and I am an altoholic) and just recently, the CE of the feature pack on the triple SC day.</p><p>I have never bought furniture, however.  I prefer to obtain all my building and decorating materials in game... and would certainly never buy <em><strong>these</strong></em> for SC... and I just bought the TT Isle too.</p>

CorpseGoddess
12-22-2011, 10:07 PM
<p><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm actually excited. To me, it's just a teaser to the next carpenter update.</p></blockquote><p>We can only hope...</p></blockquote><p>Well, it's good to see a lot of people are interested in the items anyway! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Please keep in mind that marketplace updates happen on a weekly schedule; carpenter (and other in-game updates) happen on an entirely different schedule.  We do intend for carpenters to get some building block recipes also; I'm sure more details will be forthcoming when it's a little closer to the time.</p></blockquote><p>Oh hey, Domino...</p><p>...items...items....oh, RIGHT!  THOSE items.  Yeah, I think we might have mentioned them once or twice here in the Homeshow Forum.  You know, no big whoop.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Nice to hear we'll be getting some recipes, although I still have to say this is putting the cart before the horse.  Next time, may I suggest giving the new shinies to your tradeskillers to play with first, then once we <3 them, slap a little pizzaz on those puppies and put up some new and differenter ones in the marketplace?  THAT will guarantee they sell like hotcakes.  And I'm not just talking about building blocks here, either.  I'm talking about everything--swords, dresses, shirts, hats, pants, plants, plushies--you name it.  Let us make it first, then make it shinier, and we'll buy it.  I know *I* will.</p>

Catria
12-22-2011, 10:45 PM
<p><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm actually excited. To me, it's just a teaser to the next carpenter update.</p></blockquote><p>We can only hope...</p></blockquote><p>Well, it's good to see a lot of people are interested in the items anyway! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Please keep in mind that marketplace updates happen on a weekly schedule; carpenter (and other in-game updates) happen on an entirely different schedule.  We do intend for carpenters to get some building block recipes also; I'm sure more details will be forthcoming when it's a little closer to the time.</p></blockquote><p>Thank you so much, Domino, for once again keeping us (decorators) in the loop.  It's good to know someone is still listening.</p><p>I will, however, say that I still think the SC building blocks should not have come out until after the carpenter versions, and should have been something really special rather than the mundane skins offered. </p>

Disillusional
12-22-2011, 11:23 PM
<p><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm actually excited. To me, it's just a teaser to the next carpenter update.</p></blockquote><p>We can only hope...</p></blockquote><p>Well, it's good to see a lot of people are interested in the items anyway! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Please keep in mind that marketplace updates happen on a weekly schedule; carpenter (and other in-game updates) happen on an entirely different schedule.  We do intend for carpenters to get some building block recipes also; I'm sure more details will be forthcoming when it's a little closer to the time.</p></blockquote><p>Thank you for getting back to us Domino. Maybe things will calm down a bit now.</p>

Rijacki
12-22-2011, 11:24 PM
<p><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm actually excited. To me, it's just a teaser to the next carpenter update.</p></blockquote><p>We can only hope...</p></blockquote><p>Well, it's good to see a lot of people are interested in the items anyway! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Please keep in mind that marketplace updates happen on a weekly schedule; carpenter (and other in-game updates) happen on an entirely different schedule.  We do intend for carpenters to get some building block recipes also; I'm sure more details will be forthcoming when it's a little closer to the time.</p></blockquote><p>Call me a cynic, but that was said before about crafted appearance gear.</p><p>It's been well more than a year (more than 2 years?) since that same thing was said to outfitters and woodworkers. There has been more than ample enough time for even just one or two of the colour variations of the Citzen sets, the Mara sets, the Northweave sets, a kilt set, a cloak or two, some special hats, sparkly plate and chain sets, or even the heritage armors in a different colour scheme, bows, shields, maybe a ring or armband or two for jewelers to have been added as recipes and not solely for the cash shop. Since the cash shop debut, yes, outfitters and woodworkers did get -small- number of level restricted appearance items with the launch of DoV and some requiring rares with the launch of SF.</p><p>Yeah, carpenters probably will get recipes for something sometime.</p>

Bremethor Uthorzant
12-22-2011, 11:33 PM
<p> Well here's to hoping we get to see new building blocks in game sometime in the not so distant future <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Anthise
12-22-2011, 11:53 PM
<p>I have to add my voice to this discussion. It is ludicrous that my apprentice makes jewelry and RP wise is makes no sense, nor do I belong to any large guild where I can raid or even pray to kill the heroics I would need to make the items, nor do I really care to. I would love my little otter toresearch something I had some HOPE of someday making....And it is not like I do not buy SC items because I do....but it makes me sad to think myself and the hundreds of extremeley talented decorators here feel as slighted as I do.</p><p>Hell I would be thrilled to be able to make Cherry grove furniture even! Or maybe those nice Crooks cooks items I also will never be able to own, or the LON stuff that is out there we cannot make and have to spend money on. </p><p>I would camp in Moonlight zones, or work through a long quest line, or hunt for rarer rares, or god forgive me even take Qho harvesting for a chance to make just some unique tiles... maybe wallpaper, and white and black tiles, or building blocks?</p><p>Right now I would die for some white marble tiles that were whiter than the ones am working so hard for and if it had veins with shades of gold like most marble I would be thrilled...Or some shiny black tiles. Or patterned wallpaper to rehang in my Uncanny house. Sadly the blocks I saw, and yes I bought one lousy tile of each are way too much like the tiles we already have. The burnished is like sumac/rosewood and is not shiny at all, and the stone is like several we already have.</p><p>I won't be buying these... they are a money sink. I think that the devs have forgotten that their community is are creative as they are we just lack the tools to draw out our dreams to realize them. But we do still dream amd create and hopefully someone will listen...</p><p>Galya</p>

Drakah
12-23-2011, 12:10 AM
<p>Building blocks should be something just on a NPC vendor for cheap, because you know you will have people needing a ton of blocks to make a castle or something.</p><p>To put it on SC is just rude, especially of how it comes 1 of each piece.</p><p>Great thing to use for housing, terrible thing to market it like that.</p><p>This just struck a nerve...</p>

Afista
12-23-2011, 12:22 AM
<p><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well, it's good to see a lot of people are interested in the items anyway! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Please keep in mind that marketplace updates happen on a weekly schedule; carpenter (and other in-game updates) happen on an entirely different schedule.  We do intend for carpenters to get some building block recipes also; I'm sure more details will be forthcoming when it's a little closer to the time.</p></blockquote><p>Thank you for the response Domino. Glad to hear carpenters will be getting recipes of this type in the future.</p><p>I hope it was noted though after 9 pages of irate customers that the implementation was gone about wrong though. Looking at the choices on SC, they are not fancy items like SC ones normally are. They are pretty 'basic' and thus looked more like a carpenter recipes. I'm sure $oE made something from introducing them this way first though, but this scenario will stick distastefully with a lot of customers for a while I'm sure. Surely there can still be a way to make money without 9 pages of irate people first.</p>

Absyntheea
12-23-2011, 12:55 AM
<p>Yay! THANK you Domino!! /hands you cookies and eggnog!</p>

Finora
12-23-2011, 01:02 AM
<p>Thank you Domino for the response.</p>

Senya
12-23-2011, 02:09 AM
<p>This was a really greedy move by SOE.  I realize that the company needs to generate revenue,  but putting these items (as recipes) in game at the same time as a new deed on the marketplace would have probably made more money overall and earned some praise from the decorating community to boot.</p>

Sharann
12-23-2011, 05:47 AM
<p>Domino,</p><p>Thank you for the response, it's nice to know that you heard us. Could you perhaps tell us when approximately <strong>closer to the time</strong><sup>tm</sup> is?</p><p>Is it in 3 months, in 6 months, in a year?</p><p>I'm sure decorators are about the biggest SC buyers but don't assume you can put everything on SC because we won't be happy all the time.</p><p>Me want new items to craft now! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /> Don't make us wait too long pretty please.</p>

Bruji
12-23-2011, 11:37 AM
Thank you Domino for your response. It is so good to know you hear us <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Im sure we will all enjoy our building blocks and we will all keep on buying the nice pieces in the Marketplace.

Anthise
12-23-2011, 12:22 PM
<p>Thanks for the response Domino! It is really nice you posted, and we have you in "our" block quarry!</p><p>*fidgets uncomfortably* Can I retract my previous statement about Qho? I was...upset when I said it... REALLY!</p><p>*buys some golden and mahogany marble items, with her Frostfell card cash,  in hopes she someday has matching floor and wall tiles*</p><p>Galya</p>

Catria
12-23-2011, 01:36 PM
<p>Slightly off topic, but not TOO much...</p><p>I would like it if we had some sort of ETA as to when SC items will be made placeable in guildhalls.  I know there has been a lot of discussion about this and the last I heard a plan was in the works to make the items reclaimable to prevent issues.</p><p>I would certainly be buying much more from SC furniture wise if I could put them in my guildhall.</p><p>Just sayin'...</p>

Khiara
12-23-2011, 03:17 PM
<p><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm actually excited. To me, it's just a teaser to the next carpenter update.</p></blockquote><p>We can only hope...</p></blockquote><p>Well, it's good to see a lot of people are interested in the items anyway! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Please keep in mind that marketplace updates happen on a weekly schedule; carpenter (and other in-game updates) happen on an entirely different schedule.  We do intend for carpenters to get some building block recipes also; I'm sure more details will be forthcoming when it's a little closer to the time.</p></blockquote><p>Call me a cynic, but that was said before about crafted appearance gear.</p><p>It's been well more than a year (more than 2 years?) since that same thing was said to outfitters and woodworkers. There has been more than ample enough time for even just one or two of the colour variations of the Citzen sets, the Mara sets, the Northweave sets, a kilt set, a cloak or two, some special hats, sparkly plate and chain sets, or even the heritage armors in a different colour scheme, bows, shields, maybe a ring or armband or two for jewelers to have been added as recipes and not solely for the cash shop. Since the cash shop debut, yes, outfitters and woodworkers did get -small- number of level restricted appearance items with the launch of DoV and some requiring rares with the launch of SF.</p><p>Yeah, carpenters probably will get recipes for something sometime.</p></blockquote><p>I believe that would fall under the tm of "Soon" <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Indabuff
12-23-2011, 03:56 PM
<p>Please do not forget our fellow crafters as well.....tailors, armorsmiths, weaponsmiths, jewelers ect.... They shouldalso be getting recipes for nice appearance stuff.</p><p>Its great that we will be seeing recipes for building items but would feel bad if others were left out.</p>

Deveryn
12-23-2011, 04:17 PM
<p>APOLOGIES ACCEPTED!!! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p>

Elskidor
12-23-2011, 09:47 PM
<p>Not surprised that they hit the market place first, and I'm more surprised that others are surprised by it. It's wrong, but they know it's been wanted so might aswell profit from it. Kilts were in demand forever now, and finally they were brought into the game....through our real money. Shoulda been introduced near game launch, but since it wasn't it could have been brought in via quests when New Halas was launched. Why give simple items for free when you can cash in on player wants.</p>

CorpseGoddess
12-23-2011, 10:37 PM
<p>Although, as I said, I do appreciate Domino posting, I still will not be purchasing any of the building blocks.  And I do feel that, despite her wonderful history and hard work for the tradeskill and decorating community, Domino does have more duties and responsibilities on her plate now; I can't help but think that her post was meant to mollify us.  And judging by the abject gratitude in some of the subsequent posts, it seems to be working.</p><p>Now, I'm a cynic's cynic--I don't even believe half of what *I* think.  But I really do feel as though I've been patted on the head and told to go play nicely, and that the toys that I want will be here "soon", there's a good child.</p><p>I guess I won't believe it until I see it.  The real proof for me will be--which comes first:  more building blocks on the Marketplace, or recipes for carpenters?</p>

Tsumaranai
12-23-2011, 11:06 PM
<p>thank you domino! for keeping us in the loop. <3</p><p>that said, i bought a couple of pieces just to experiment and i am less than pleased with them. the textures (on the burnished metal) are lovely, lovely enough that i might consider paying for a few pieces if they are of this fine, opulent quality. HOWEVER, i still believe that building blocks in general should not be a SC item, and the sets are far too small to facilitate building anything substantial. and, like others here, i am also extremely disappointed with the sizes of these items, which are quite petite and do not scale up to the sorts of sizes i would find appropraite for building or useful for decorating. =/</p>

Disillusional
12-24-2011, 12:03 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Although, as I said, I do appreciate Domino posting, I still will not be purchasing any of the building blocks.  And I do feel that, despite her wonderful history and hard work for the tradeskill and decorating community, Domino does have more duties and responsibilities on her plate now; I can't help but think that her post was meant to mollify us.  And judging by the abject gratitude in some of the subsequent posts, it seems to be working.</p><p>Now, I'm a cynic's cynic--I don't even believe half of what *I* think.  But I really do feel as though I've been patted on the head and told to go play nicely, and that the toys that I want will be here "soon", there's a good child.</p><p>I guess I won't believe it until I see it.  The real proof for me will be--which comes first:  more building blocks on the Marketplace, or recipes for carpenters?</p></blockquote><p>i still don't plan to buy them on the marketplace either. they're not cost efficient for the amount of them we'd need. i can't afford to pay for my account and go running off to buy station cash every month also. 500 isn't going to get very far per month with what they cost.</p>

SweetSynergy
12-24-2011, 12:30 AM
<p><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm actually excited. To me, it's just a teaser to the next carpenter update.</p></blockquote><p>We can only hope...</p></blockquote><p>Well, it's good to see a lot of people are interested in the items anyway! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Please keep in mind that marketplace updates happen on a weekly schedule; carpenter (and other in-game updates) happen on an entirely different schedule.  We do intend for carpenters to get some building block recipes also; I'm sure more details will be forthcoming when it's a little closer to the time.</p></blockquote><p>Call me a cynic, but that was said before about crafted appearance gear.</p><p>It's been well more than a year (more than 2 years?) since that same thing was said to outfitters and woodworkers. There has been more than ample enough time for even just one or two of the colour variations of the Citzen sets, the Mara sets, the Northweave sets, a kilt set, a cloak or two, some special hats, sparkly plate and chain sets, or even the heritage armors in a different colour scheme, bows, shields, maybe a ring or armband or two for jewelers to have been added as recipes and not solely for the cash shop. Since the cash shop debut, yes, outfitters and woodworkers did get -small- number of level restricted appearance items with the launch of DoV and some requiring rares with the launch of SF.</p><p>Yeah, carpenters probably will get recipes for something sometime.</p></blockquote><p>lol domino pops in and everyones all smiles and hopeful... well im with rijacki on this..cynical and i'll even go further and say b.s  until that stuff is in game that we dont have to use sc to obtain them with.</p><p>Im not disappointed.. im very p..... off.  </p><p>I too am a decorator.. i dont post in any of the forums much but i do read them all the time</p><p>More power to those that dont mind spending real money on this stuff. but when its not obtainable any other way but this way then some of my gaming enjoyment dies.   I like to work for what i get out of this game and I really hate crafting but I pull my carpenter out everytime there are quests to get new recipes,, faction to grind for new recipes.. etc, etc.   Thats why I made her.. so I can make everything to help me decorate.</p><p>Sorry but I am not gonna smile just cause domino pops in to  say nothing worth hearing.   Did any of you notice what she said???</p><p>Market updates are weekly...... meaning they spend a hell of a lot of time on market place items.   Ummmm that is the only consistent thing happening in this game right now besides bugs <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Sharann
12-24-2011, 07:19 AM
<p><span style="color: #ccffff;">Hum, either I wasn't fully awake or my post got deleted <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #ccffff;">Let me put it this way:</span></p><p><span style="color: #ccffff;">I am more than willing to pay SC for blocks - and these blocks need to be amazingly beautiful (similar to what the cherry grove furniture is towards a basic Freeport table for instance), so it can be different types of marble, or white wooden planks, or fancy metal for instance...</span></p><p><span style="color: #ccffff;">but only under the following conditions:</span></p><p><span style="color: #ccffff;">1) We do have other blocks available via carpenter, city festival, grotto, quests (non-heroic) or any similar mean. These blocks can be less "glamour" i.e. stone, wood or anything alike but we still should have a nice variety available.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ccffff;">2) A decrease in price, i.e. 50 SC per block is too expensive given their usage. So either have a higher amount in the proposed set and/or a decrease in unit price. </span></p><p><span style="color: #ccffff;">And why not also have sets with similar blocks, i.e. one set would only contain the dividers, another would only contain rounded tiles, as we might not need all the types proposed in the current sets.</span></p>

egyptiangothic
12-24-2011, 01:35 PM
<p><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm actually excited. To me, it's just a teaser to the next carpenter update.</p></blockquote><p>We can only hope...</p></blockquote><p>Well, it's good to see a lot of people are interested in the items anyway! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Please keep in mind that marketplace updates happen on a weekly schedule; carpenter (and other in-game updates) happen on an entirely different schedule.  We do intend for carpenters to get some building block recipes also; I'm sure more details will be forthcoming when it's a little closer to the time.</p></blockquote><p><em>IM</em> sorry but it took 7 pages of disgruntled players before any red repy came along, then all of a sudden it was thank you's and ect's (with cookies on it) this is not acepterbal ( and b4 any one start picking holes in my spelling i dont care about  a few spelling mistakes if you can read the words!)these items should never of seen the light of day on Marketplace, whats next  all the new tiles ,shapes and colours only on markeplace! things we have been asking for for ages!  you cant tell me not one RED read any of the 7 perviouse pages before Domino decided to pipe up ( i mean no disrespect but talk about kiss A**)... and as for interested yes we are interested because we have been asking for them for a long time why the heck do you think we have all united and are going to boycott the products!...closer to the time was about a week ago when it went live on MP... bahhh!</p>

Bremethor Uthorzant
12-24-2011, 03:14 PM
<p> You know i think i might have to join the folks that say they will believe it when they see it on this topic because this release was a poor decision on the part of SOE. Sure i am still happy a red namer responded but i think that this needs to be tempered with reality since i have seen positive response from a red before that led nowhere in the end because they simply used the response as a way to quell the masses from a protest. Anyways, I continue to boycott these station cash items and i will hold my position firmly until i see the items in game and part of the carpenter recipes.</p>

Bhael
12-25-2011, 12:08 AM
<p></p><p>I'm going to have to agree with the others. Nice to see Domino respond but that doesn't mean our problems are solved. I'll believe it when I see it. Still not going to buy these things for SC. Ever.I hope Domino's response doesn't shake peoples resolve on this. We need to stay united in our boycott on this if we even want to see them as a carpenter recipe. I intend to continue to be a squeeky wheel. Now if Domino had come in and given us specific info (i.e. the recipes will be in the next Update) then we could celebrate but until that time we need to stick to our guns on this.</p><p><span style="font-size: xx-large; color: #ff0000;">SQUEEEEEK!!</span></p>

Absyntheea
12-25-2011, 12:12 PM
<p>Oh, I won't be buying them either...I am glad though, that we were acknowledged at least. Let's just hope that there is follow through!</p>

Catria
12-25-2011, 12:17 PM
<p>I still won't be buying any, either.  Nice to have some response.  However, sadly, I will believe it when I see it.  Not that Domino hasn't come through for us before, but lately it seems a lot of what we are told is coming "soon" ends up being "in a few months or years".</p>

Indabuff
12-26-2011, 12:42 PM
<p>I do agree that the reasons stated for them coming out as SC items first is pretty weak. I wish you would realize that people here are not stupid and that its clear you wanted to test to see how well they would sell first. I suppose you had to know (and if you didnt well smh) that this would be a huge issue with the decorators but you still just wanted to find out how they would sell.</p><p>As for Domino, for her this is a job. She has to follow the companies choices and I dont fault her for that. Yes she has championed issues for the homeshow crowd but she is going to put her job first as she should. As for Dominos response here, well I have always felt that you get far more respect from others if your just honest. You should have simply stated the truth. SOE wanted to test these items for sale first, and we misgaged how upset this would make the decorator base, or maybe you knew but felt you could wash it over with promises of things to come.</p><p>I am watching this all with great interest as I love this game but will move on if there is more bad feelings associated to it than good ones. If you going to make a decision then do so, and be honest about it, doing otherwise insults the players. Any relationship even this one between the players and the company are based on trust. Half truths and side talk do not build trust. Honesty however does. People will accept changes or not, you can do nothing about that. How you comunicate with said player base though is under your control. You can do that honestly or not. One way builds trust the other, well just real look at the forums, most of the issues here are matters of trust. People get more upset when they feel lied to than they do about the changes being made.</p><p>Just something to think about</p>

Banedon_Toran
12-26-2011, 01:35 PM
I wonder what the chance is of seeing Red Marble blocks at Gorowyn City Festival next week...

SecrAtive Girl
12-27-2011, 01:48 AM
<p>i wonder if the devs are going to respond the out-pouring over the building blocks.</p>

Bremethor Uthorzant
12-27-2011, 02:35 AM
<p><cite>Indabuff wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am watching this all with great interest as I love this game but will move on if there is more bad feelings associated to it than good ones. If you going to make a decision then do so, and be honest about it, doing otherwise insults the players. Any relationship even this one between the players and the company are based on trust. Half truths and side talk do not build trust. Honesty however does. People will accept changes or not, you can do nothing about that. How you comunicate with said player base though is under your control. You can do that honestly or not. One way builds trust the other, well just real look at the forums, most of the issues here are matters of trust. People get more upset when they feel lied to than they do about the changes being made.</p><p>Just something to think about</p></blockquote><p> I love this statement alot really. Because that sums up things exactly. We don't need half truths and side talk and negative things to chew on. The best way for you to make your money is to be honest with the people you supposedly work for. You want to keep us you should be honest and open. Don't be afraid of that because some people may get hurt feelings. I think it was great to see a response but i want to see more involvement in the discussion here so we can rebuild our faith or at least reaffirm it. I love this game and i don't see myself leaving anytime soon but if that day comes just know SOE you dug your own holes with that one. </p>

Absyntheea
12-27-2011, 10:54 AM
<p>Umm.... Domino did.</p>

Absyntheea
12-27-2011, 10:55 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>i wonder if the devs are going to respond the out-pouring over the building blocks.</p></blockquote><p>I meant that response for this..<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

SecrAtive Girl
12-27-2011, 11:43 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>i wonder if the devs are going to respond the out-pouring over the building blocks.</p></blockquote><p>I meant that response for this..<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>i must have missed it! *runs off to hunt for the response*</p>

SecrAtive Girl
12-27-2011, 12:23 PM
<p><cite>Afista wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well, it's good to see a lot of people are interested in the items anyway! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Please keep in mind that marketplace updates happen on a weekly schedule; carpenter (and other in-game updates) happen on an entirely different schedule.  We do intend for carpenters to get some building block recipes also; I'm sure more details will be forthcoming when it's a little closer to the time.</p></blockquote><p>Thank you for the response Domino. Glad to hear carpenters will be getting recipes of this type in the future.</p><p>I hope it was noted though after 9 pages of irate customers that the implementation was gone about wrong though. Looking at the choices on SC, they are not fancy items like SC ones normally are. They are pretty 'basic' and thus looked more like a carpenter recipes. I'm sure $oE made something from introducing them this way first though, but this scenario will stick distastefully with a lot of customers for a while I'm sure. Surely there can still be a way to make money without 9 pages of irate people first.</p></blockquote><p style="text-align: justify;">i agree with this 100%. carpenter recipes should have been introduced first.</p><p style="text-align: justify;">my problem with this is, since so many of the basic blocks that match what we can already craft, are SC only, it doesn't leave much for building block recipes which means those of us who cannot afford $50 for the 100 building blocks one would need, will have pretty limited choices.</p><p style="text-align: justify;">i feel very let down, but on the other hand, this will make it easier for me let my subscription expire when it's up in april. i've been thinking for awhile now that this game is sucking up too much of my money and time. i'm not reading books, writing, or getting any exercise while i'm playing, AND between expansions, prestige homes, and misc SC items, i'm paying a few hundred dollars each year that could more wisely spent.</p>

Bruji
12-29-2011, 04:44 PM
So ....are we getting the recipies anytime soon? I wonder. I would really like to know.

Filly67
01-01-2012, 01:06 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I buy lots of stuff on the marketplace and normally don't complain about it being there, but this time I have to say this was a serious mis-step. </p><p>Building blocks should have gone to carpenters.  Period.</p><p>I definitely won't be buying these from the marketplace, in a small showing of defiance/displeasure.  I wonder how well or badly they'll sell?</p></blockquote><p>Agree and am in the same boat with this entire statement.</p>

Neversea
01-10-2012, 07:08 PM
<p>I have heard a rumor that there are more blocks appearing on the marketplace today.  Does anyone have a screenshot of these?  Are they the same prices as the others?  I heard there are red ones.  Do they match the gorowyn city festival stuff?</p><p>While, I am glad to see these items finally appearing in game and I want to thank Domino for responding to our thread earlier to let us know we would be seeing blocks as recipes, I also must question the idea behind these.  I know that SoE needs and wants to make money, but why did we not see some building blocks as new items for the city festival?  My thought was that perhaps they needed more time to drop those textures onto the items and what not, but if there are more appearing on station cash today...  Then why were they not also on the city festival?  Is there a time table for when we might actually see these recipes or even teaser shots of them?</p><p>I will be completely honest.  I will NOT buy these off the Marketplace.  I will not build with station bought blocks.  I refuse to buy them and spend all my money on blocks.  That's my stand and I will stick to it.</p><p>Since we have been told that we are suppose to see these as recipes... I do not feel is it too much to ask when we will see them or if they are just in the making?  Will we see future ones appear on city festivals?  Are there plans to keep adding items to the festivals and grottos?</p><p>I may not speak for the whole of the decorating community, but there are many of us who are very upset at these items appearing on station cash.  This is something that if it continues, I, myself, will probably consider other options for my money and fun.  Decorating is about the only reason I play atm and I love decorating, but I would be very unable to do this if house items are going to start be needing to have real cash be paid for them.</p>

Kaian
01-10-2012, 07:42 PM
<p>@Never - It's true.  <em>Of course</em> it's true.  Sets are 250SC each (same as the others) and are the Halas icy tile texture and the Gorowyn red marble texture.</p><p>And are a real misfiring on behalf of SOE, in my opinion.</p><p>Like many others, I won't be buying these.  The question floating around in my mind is:  given the reception for SC tile packs thus far, just who do they expect to be buying these?  I don't see there being much of a market for items of this type outside the hardcore decorating community, and that community have made it fairly clear that having these items available only via SC is not something that they find workable.</p><p>Nobody who decorates seriously is going to be requiring most of these items in small quantities.  That presupposes that, if someone wishes to use these, they will be paying a small fortune for the privilege.  I know of very few people, even if they didn't have a principle behind their actions (or inactions) who would be willing or able to spend a lot of money on items like this on a regular basis, if at all.  If these aren't going to sell in quantity over an extended period ...  then economically I don't much see the point on a commercial basis of placing them on the Marketplace.</p><p>As others, many others have said - make these textures on the blocks available via the faires.  Make carpenter textured blocks available via recipes.  Or sell recipes for unlimited blocks available via SC - I know I'd bite for those, whereas I won't for this version.  I also wouldn't object to tile packs etc appearing on the marketplace for textures that aren't and wouldn't be available any other way ingame - all those beautiful textures and patterns in dungeons, instances, prestige houses, for instance (I'd prefer those as recipes, obviously, but I'm a realist).</p><p>I'm a realist.  But I'm not made of money, I'm not especially gullible, and I'm not overwhelmingly happy with these.</p><p>Ta for listening.</p>

LaeliaJS
01-10-2012, 09:45 PM
<p>To add to this...</p><p>Devs, I understand that SOE needs to find new ways to make money now that EQ2 has gone F2P and SWTOR is out.  I don't think most decorators care if nice items are available on SC *and* available in game.  The city fests take an awful long time to come around again, and I don't mind if someone gets impatient and would rather pay a little SC to get something *now* than have to wait for it to come around again.</p><p>However, it's really just not right that you just released 36 brand new items to SC while the carpenter tradeskill apprentices can't make anything but earrings.</p>

Absyntheea
01-10-2012, 09:53 PM
<p>It's not a rumor.. I was the one that started the other thread about em. I mean.. had they shown up and been available for city tokens during the fest. THEN shown up in marketplace for SC. Ok maybe...THAT might be acceptable.  As long as we had an in game obtainable option for getting them that didn't involve SC.  I have no problem (personally) if they want to sell things like that  for those people willing to spend real money on them, AS LONG AS we can get them in an in-game earned fashion as well. I just think it was in particularly poor taste to release  new SC sets of them after the poor reception  the other sets got... without there being an in-game option to get them too.</p><p>I won't be buying them. They're neat.. but just.. no.</p><p>Sorry if that was repetitive. I'm tired and cranky at the moment.</p>

Katz
01-10-2012, 09:59 PM
<p>This is beginning to turn me completely off station cash.   I thought some of the people pitching a fit over SC existing were over reacting.   Now I'm not so sure.  </p>

Mystfit
01-10-2012, 10:11 PM
<p>I was wondering if the two they released (Halas and Gorowyn) were because they ARE going to put them on the festivals, but as those were the most recent, we'd have to wait the longest and this was an option for those who can't wait...</p>

Absyntheea
01-10-2012, 10:16 PM
<p>Y'know... if we would just start seeing them show up at festivals.. even that slightly dirty trick would be ok with me. I can totally wait..</p>

Senya
01-10-2012, 10:26 PM
<p>Wow, unbelievable.  I just now seen the red marble ones and the ice ones.  What a low, low blow. </p>

Afista
01-10-2012, 10:36 PM
<p>I'm more upset about these building blocks being nothing fancy... I'm fine with SC items for some things, but really?!? Things of this plain nature should be carpenter made / festival purchases. It's all getting a bit ridiculous.</p>

Senya
01-10-2012, 10:55 PM
<p><cite>Afista wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm more upset about these building blocks being nothing fancy... I'm fine with SC items for some things, but really?!? Things of this plain nature should be carpenter made / festival purchases. It's all getting a bit ridiculous.</p></blockquote><p>I think my days of EQ2 decorating are coming to an end.  I'll finish up my TT island that I was using Cherry Grove furniture in, and I've got a few houses I already purchased to play with, but there won't be any more housing purchases from me period.  I've got several purchased deeds for places I've never had time to decorate, but I'd fall in love with them after a tour and just buy them up anyway.  Those days are over.</p><p>I'll just spend my time crafting and solo adventuring until they start trying to sell me fuel that can only be bought on the marketplace.  </p>

TwistedFaith
01-10-2012, 11:14 PM
<p>LOL you people are so gullible, did you really think Domino has any sway over how marketplace is run, really? SOE are milking players for every dollar they can get. New content and features that don't have some sort of marketplace milking aspect are no more.</p><p>Next in line I fully expect to see: Marketplace Mercs, a TON of dungeon creator stuff and also the regular appearence items that will never be made available from questing/adventuring (Ohh look at those new pretty wings on marketplace).</p><p>EQ2 as a decent game will be dead within 12 months at this rate. Don't get me wrong the game will still be here but it will be fully catered to ultra casual fully station cash mode with very limited adventure content.</p>

Katttara
01-10-2012, 11:19 PM
<p>I can't help but to wonder if this decision came from high up because of financial pulls, the economy, and desperation for money.</p><p>But its the worst move they could ever do. Its trading loyalty for dollars. And it will fly only so long. They may draw in new players and ones that spend quick bucks, but they will quickly lose the longstanding/loyal customers. That was just downright cruel.</p><p>People here take a stand against something in the first time I have read in the last year, and they voice it, mostly very calmly and respectfully. And then they release a few comments and pats on the head via an employee. Then they turn around, do more of the same. Well to me, that felt like they gave me the finger...and the rest of the people here.</p><p>They take the TWO festival themes that are long gone for a few months, the items people have asked for, and then they pull them out and nickle and dime us to death when people like myself have spent hundreds, if not into the 4 digit mark for sub and SC items (the past year alone.) Well, no more. I am going to spend out the last of my SC that I have, and then I will buy no more SC at all, because of them essentially giving me this hand signal.</p><p>They just cut off nose to spite face. I would have gladly gone on buying new prestige homes (even though I think the traveling to them and organization needs major work), and bought appearance armor, and lots of new mounts as I have many times in the past, and other things. But this was pushing it way, way too far.</p><p>I also am going to start researching and reading on new games and hopefully find a new MMO home. They might not have some of the things I want, but I would rather trade off on some things than stay and put up with this and let them walk all over me. I know I would shudder if I added up my sc purchases the last year. But I stuck with it because its a good game. This is just too much for me, and too much to ask of my loyalty, when they are showing me, and most of us, no loyalty whatsoever through their actions.</p><p>What a dang shame. And I feel bad for this community. One of the nicest and most loyal I have seen throughout the entire forums. I feel sad that you all just seemed to get the same hand gesture as well.</p><p>It's a sad day.  =(</p><p>[[ Edit:  An afterthough:  When I think of the countless hours and hours I spent (we all spent) grinding away at getting tokens, the running around, the hours of time spent gathering and trying to store or spread out among homes all the festival items. SO many hours it makes my head spin. And now they go and slap a price tag on them (essentially almost the same items) and say my hard work was for nothing! That makes their hand gesture even bigger. To me, its a disgrace.  ]]</p>

Catria
01-10-2012, 11:46 PM
<p>I would like to say "unbelieveable" but I've become quite disillusioned by all of this.  I've been a fan and one of those that tries to be the voice of reason in the past, but it's quite obvious in this case that the only one who cares about what we think is Domino, and she doesn't seem to have the time or power to fix it.</p><p>I'm so saddened by this - I really have been trying hard not to listen to the doomsayers, but it's looking more and more like the beginning of the end.... and I feel a bit sickened.</p><p>*Edited to add*  I've been a big SC buyer of prestige homes and furniture, too, but I'm done.  I was boycotting the building blocks pending the arrival of recipes or blocks obtainable by other means.  Now I'm boycotting the entire SC marketplace.  I don't care how pretty the armor or house is, SoE has lost me as an SC customer with this one unless and until they fix this situation.</p><p>Did anyone besides me notice that the Halas and Gorowyn blocks were NOT mentioned in the news post about the latest SC items?  I can't decide if they forgot to mention it, were trying to slip it in under the radar because of the uproar over the first ones, or if (I'm ever hopeful) it was a mistake and these were meant to go on the City Festival vendors.</p>

Rijacki
01-11-2012, 12:04 AM
<p>The decorating aspect of gameplay already had 2 high SC revenue streams from the prestige housing deeds (what's the percentage that aren't sold via SC or LoN?) and furniture sets unlike anything in game. If they were concerned about tapping the wallets of Silver and Free decorators, those two -should- have been enough.</p>

Afista
01-11-2012, 12:07 AM
<p><cite>Katttara wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I also am going to start researching and reading on new games and hopefully find a new MMO home.</p></blockquote><p>If you find one with a nice housing feature, please let me know. I don't research games much, I've only really played EQ and EQ2. Dabbled a bit in Wow and didn't care for it much. I <em><strong>loved </strong></em>Vanguard, but that went south with no content for endgame. I've heard people like the Sims?</p><p>Is SC as big a part in EQ1 right now too? Maybe Eq1 has it's act together better... if anyone knows, please share <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Catria
01-11-2012, 12:12 AM
<p>I just sent a fairly long message to Domino expressing my feelings about this situation.  Not sure if I really expect a response at this point, but at least it made me feel a bit better... sigh....</p>

Katttara
01-11-2012, 12:30 AM
<p>I would like to add, after reading many comments and the one above, that I do not blame Domino, and I do not even think badly of her. I really think she has little to do with the ultimate outcome. She can add her professional and personal opinions to the feedback when decisions are made. She can advise. The higher-ups might even listen to a degree. But, in the end, the company is not a democracy. Decisions will be made whether she likes it or not. And after seeing the way things are run in business years ago, the higher end does not feel the pulse nor the pressure from the community the way she would. She might feel bad or not like it, but might not have any choice. Those who do make the decisions, will note her opinions, but ultimately make choices based on the numbers and the stats of the gaming world. If any employee stirs too many waters, they can, in the end, find themselves without a job. I believe that she cares about the community, but anyone would have to pick feeding their family and paying rent/mortgage over the wishes of a gamer's gaming experience.</p><p>Too many years ago to count, my father spoke up for the workers rights in a company, and what was right(and to get perspective, rights are far more important than the details in the game..we all realize that) . He was not liked by those running things to say the least. They had him followed at one point and found any reason (as he is human) or slip up, as excuse to fire him, and they did. He was always a hardworking, honest good guy. But people make mistakes and they found a mistake or reason to let him go when he became a squeeky wheel.</p><p>I am not saying the scenerio is the same or that tough in this company, but business is business. The rules totally change within it.</p><p>If I were to blame anyone, its those who have the final say about this choice...and it might make numbers look good short term, but in the end...choices like these lose loyalty and the numbers will end up reflecting that with time. Its a shame for everyone, including her and others who don't have as many choices and deep down might even agree with voices here. But blame does not matter here, for in the end, we will all lose.</p><p>Its all just a shame.</p><p>[[  Edit: Afista, if I find anything worthwhile, I will happily PM you and let you know. =)  I am pretty picky as I have tried LOTR, Runes of Magic, and come from the console days of Norrath and yes even the ole D&D dice and such (shhh...don't pass that on or let that date me. LOL)  But as I said, I would trade on a few things I look for or like, for a company, if any are left out there, that listens to loyalty and has more regard.  ]]</p>

TwistedFaith
01-11-2012, 12:46 AM
<p>Quite honestly I dont have any sympathy for all the people who seem totally bemused at how SOE have treated them. The non crafting players have been saying this for the past year, the last six months in particular has seen an insane escalation in marketplace nickel and diming, with very little actual new content.</p><p>I would guess that the people who do like to craft are the people who are willing to spend a LOT of money on the marketplace anyway. Though honestly it's scary to read the post by one guy who said his spending was over $1k for the year. If you have people like that willing to pour money into fluff content then is it any wonder that SOE are pushing out the marketplace items like they do.</p><p>For me personally I would buy the odd mount etc over the course of the year and maybe a outfit or two but thats it. Today saw the release of the wings, and for me that is pretty much it. I still have SC in my account but I don't care, i'm not buying anything anymore, simply because SOE are not producing content. I have a few months left on my sub and then i'm done, the game is going in the wrong direction and I don't see any way they are changing it.</p><p>Smokejumper will obviously post something along the lines of 'I wish I could tell you what we had coming up, it's so amazing etc' but I think it's obvious now that he's full of it after six months of basically making stuff up.</p>

Bremethor Uthorzant
01-11-2012, 12:54 AM
<p> Well this is starting to make me sick! Frankly i think its pathetic that we just said hey we aren't paying for this crap! Now we have to sit here and buy MORE!? I mean what the hell SOE? We aren't amused over this poor choice. You told us we would be seeing new blocks in the future for carpenter recipes. Where are those? I mean you gave us building blocks and then you make us PAY for this stuff. I think this is a sad day for decorators and i'm honestly none to happy about this. I think its sad that i am now thinking of leaving this game because you fine people at SOE don't see it fit to give us building blocks in game. Sorry for all of you who think we are whining because your most likely the ones who "saw it coming" or your the ones buying the crap. But this is starting to grate on my nerves.</p>

Aerfen
01-11-2012, 12:56 AM
<p>I haven't logged in to the game tonight, but thought I'd see what was happening on the forums and WOW... O.O</p><p>Dearest Devs,</p><p>The decorating/tradeskill community took a stand when building blocks were first released to let you know that it was a slap in the face and many, if not most, of us would not be purchasing these from SC.  We told you that the sheer quantity we would need to complete a project would make us go broke (in a bad economy to boot).  We offered many suggestions, even that we would be willing to comprimise by purchasing a recipe for SC so we could craft these items, or that the style that matches carpenter made tiles/dividers could go to carpenters, the style that matches the city festivals could be put on the vendor at faires, and special (and by special I mean gorgeous) designs could be sold for SC.  Why on earth would you think that we'd be okay with Halas and Gorowyn style building blocks be on the Marketplace???</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">When some of your most talented decorators - the same decorators who through brilliant creativity and design have given EQ2 housing the reputation of one of, if not THE BEST mmo housing features - wash their hands of decorating and/or EQ2 you seriously need to reevaluate what you've done.  This is not good business.</span></p>

Bremethor Uthorzant
01-11-2012, 01:28 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Dearest Devs,</p><p>The decorating/tradeskill community took a stand when building blocks were first released to let you know that it was a slap in the face and many, if not most, of us would not be purchasing these from SC.  We told you that the sheer quantity we would need to complete a project would make us go broke (in a bad economy to boot).  We offered many suggestions, even that we would be willing to comprimise by purchasing a recipe for SC so we could craft these items, or that the style that matches carpenter made tiles/dividers could go to carpenters, the style that matches the city festivals could be put on the vendor at faires, and special (and by special I mean gorgeous) designs could be sold for SC.  Why on earth would you think that we'd be okay with Halas and Gorowyn style building blocks be on the Marketplace???</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">When some of your most talented decorators - the same decorators who through brilliant creativity and design have given EQ2 housing the reputation of one of, if not THE BEST mmo housing features - wash their hands of decorating and/or EQ2 you seriously need to reevaluate what you've done.  This is not good business.</span></p></blockquote><p> Just wanted to say this is completely what i feel in my heart and said with a bit more level headedness than my earlier message. I am just beyond upset at this time. But this pretty much sums up what all of us are feeling.</p>

Indabuff
01-11-2012, 01:53 AM
<p>I totally agree with the sentiments posted here. This was a slap in the face to be sure. I love this game andfind myself thinking that maybe I better start looking for other games to take its place. Not what I want to do butif the game ends up with crafters meaning nothing, and everything packaged for sale then it may be time to move on.</p><p>One thing we all have to look at and thats if they brought more out to sell then people must have bought the first ones. I doubt they would have brought these out if sales on the last ones failed.</p><p>I have nothing against station cash as well. I buy lots of fluff and of course houses but when you start making playing the game pointless then people will leave after a short time, and I think you will find the days of even having veteran rewards will be pointless, no one will stay that long. I too have some station cash left but I dont thnk I will be getting any more at this point. I want to craft and have that mean something, and the way this is going well whats the point.</p><p>Sad day indeed.....</p>

SecrAtive Girl
01-11-2012, 01:54 AM
<p>i actually quit playing EQ2 a couple days after they were put in game. the building blocks on the marketplace pushed me right over the edge. i can't seem to stop checking the fourms though. i gotta kick that habit!</p><p>EDIT: *grumbles about typos*</p>

Bhael
01-11-2012, 03:36 AM
<p style="text-align: left;">Dang SOE, what is wrong with you!?!? Do you want to chase off all your decorators? I'm trying to figure out your reasoning but I just don't get it. (yeah yeah yeah, money I know)Now, I may be wrong here but, aren't decorators and their ilk some of your biggest SC spenders? I mean, prestige houses, fancy furniture, plushies, and pets. To me these all scream decorators. Do you really want to pi$$ them off so much they STOP spending SC? Well you have... twice now!First you release the blocks to the marketplace instead of as recipes for the carpenters where they belong which causes the bulk of your decorators to boycott them. Then what do you do? You release MORE?!?!?!? Are you mental!?!People are no longer talking about boycotting, they are talking about quitting!!!!! You need to do something about this.. and not just some pat on the head and a "don't worry we'll get to it".Are you truly so shortsighted as to think the short term quick buck is better than the long term loyal player spending money on a regular basis ever month?Fellow decorators please, continue the boycott. And spread the word for others not to buy them!!! If all SOE sees is the bottom dollar then lets hit them there. As for me I'm going to continue to be a sqeeky wheel.</p><p style="text-align: left;"> </p><p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: xx-large; color: #ff0000;">SQEEEEEEEKK!!!!!</span></p>

Bhael
01-11-2012, 03:43 AM
<p></p><p>And don't give us that "these are released on a totally different schedule" BS! You can release anything you want whenever you want! You are just choosing not to in the hopes that we will get tired of this and start buying. Well guess what? <span style="font-size: x-large; color: #ff0000;">NOT... GOING... TO... HAPPEN!!!!!</span></p>

Sharann
01-11-2012, 07:58 AM
<p>It would be nice if we could see some red answers here after the many many posts on the subject (and the many suggestions made by the community). Barely responding and then sneakily putting more blocks on SC is just a total lack of respect imo. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p>

Whilhelmina
01-11-2012, 08:19 AM
<p>You selling building blocks with the same textures as old SC items (like castellum tiles to match the castellum set) would be understandable even if I don't approve of SC.</p><p>You selling building blocks going with the city festival is just plain wrong. I sure hope we'll see those showing up as regular city festival stuff next month. Those thing should be in game, not on station cash. It's a major slap in the face for your dedicated decorating community.</p>

Banedon_Toran
01-11-2012, 08:32 AM
As of right now I'm boycotting all items on SC beyond those available under "Services" I still love the game itself and I'm really proud of our guild, but I'm not rewarding Sony any further beyond getting my characters transferred from Freeport to Antonia Bayle (and I've already stocked up on SC). Please note this is a personal decision that I am putting on record, it's not a rant as I feel most of us are far beyond the point of ranting about things and are now at the point where our feelings could be described as mild but unsurprised disappointment. Personally I would have been fine with many many varieties of building blocks being added to SC at a realistic price, however in return I would have expected all carpenter made tiles to be paired with carpenter made building blocks of the same design, and all city festival tiles to be paired with city festival building blocks. However locking building blocks designed to match the city festival tiles to SC was the wrong thing to do.

Elomort
01-11-2012, 09:35 AM
<p><cite>Banedon_Toran wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>As of right now I'm boycotting all items on SC beyond those available under "Services"</blockquote><p>Same. Full financial boycott.</p><p>These marble/ice tiles added in secrecy today should be city festival. Aditionally with the addition of belts to the provvy research assistant the talk about different schedules and "you will get them one day" also rings false.</p><p>Sorry SOE, no more money from me until it's put right. Crafting has already gone terribly downhill, to see the decorating community hit with this, despite the previous protest, is too much to support.</p>

Moria15
01-11-2012, 10:58 AM
<p>I hate being a cynic, but I am <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><p>minime :- Hey Boss, I'm doing the page for the SC launch today.</p><p>Boss :- Oh yeah, the wings.. great.. that'll have them falling over themselves. More fluff for cash. Good start to 2012 for revenue.</p><p>minime :- Yeah, great work Boss. ermmm but I was thinking about the new building blocks in the festival colours.</p><p>Boss :- Thinking? we pay you too much. What about them?</p><p>minime :- well the outcry on the forums from the first blocks and these are in city festival colors.</p><p>Boss :- So?</p><p>minime:- Well I just thought..</p><p>Boss :- Thinking again huh.. look let me explain the way of the world. The object is to make money.. maybe a hundred people complained and said they wouldn't buy them.. well.. they wern't buying them before because they wern't available so no loss there... Some people are buying them and that is revenue that wasn't available before.</p><p>minime :- Guess so, but people may threaten to leave.</p><p>Boss :- So.. any product like this has "churn". Look it up.. people leave every day, people join every day. We've always had churn.. so a few leave, it won't show in the numbers so what's your point.</p><p>minime :- are we going to respond in the forums to try and keep them a bit quieter.</p><p>Boss :- didn't we do that.. got a post in there from their old friend that had a load of them falling over themselves throwing cookies and hugs around.. I think that was enough for now.</p><p>minime :- but the comments are not slowing down.</p><p>Boss :- Hey, if it goes on who knows, we may even follow through on the in game stuff.. frankly who the hell cares.. cash is the main issue here.  However, if it makes you feel any better, leave them off the announcement and then they may think we feel guilty about it or something. Remember some players will buy them, and that's the only thing that matters.</p><p>minime :- OK, you're the Boss.</p><p>Boss :- yep I am!</p></span></p>

Bruji
01-11-2012, 11:38 AM
As most of the decorators here, I refuse to buy the building blocks for SC. I feel terribly let down by the SOE Team. Im not spending the money I usually do on the Marketplace out of sheer disgust. Will you people think about this and fix it soon, please? Why are you making the community that spends the most on the Marketplace so aggravated? Its really not good business!!!! I have over 7,000 SC sitting in my account going nowhere until this is solved, which means you have already lost one month of my SC spending. Please pay attention to our requests. Thank you, I´m sure you will.

Kaian
01-11-2012, 12:35 PM
<p>The sad thing is, it doesn't matter how much SC we have in our accounts that we're refusing to spend.  They couldn't care less about that (why should they?  They already have the money for that).  Like you, I have a substantial amount sitting in my SC account and I know of certain guildies of mine that have a lot, lot, more.  It's not going to mean much to them that we're not spending our balances ... yet.  Give it a month, or two, when the impact of any reduction of SC purchases starts to make itself known.</p><p>Or watch a lot of other stuff that appeals to a larger section of the player base (*cough* wings *cough*) appear to fill up the revenue gap ...</p>

Moria15
01-11-2012, 12:58 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The sad thing is, it doesn't matter how much SC we have in our accounts that we're refusing to spend.  They couldn't care less about that (why should they?  They already have the money for that).  Like you, I have a substantial amount sitting in my SC account and I know of certain guildies of mine that have a lot, lot, more.  It's not going to mean much to them that we're not spending our balances ... yet.  Give it a month, or two, when the impact of any reduction of SC purchases starts to make itself known.</p><p>Or watch a lot of other stuff that appeals to a larger section of the player base (*cough* wings *cough*) appear to fill up the revenue gap ...</p></blockquote><p>This ^^</p><p>The truth is spending what you have has no impact.</p><p>Not getting MORE is the protest.  Unfortunately I filled up on the 3 for 1 and have nearly 30k SC which is already a profit to the bottom line as it has been paid for and is considered spent.</p><p> In fact not spending it is a bonus for Sony as they have the money for nothing (so to speak).</p><p>I have no issues spending what is already in the account (obviously not on blocks <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  ), but I have issues replacing it in the future right now.</p>

Catria
01-11-2012, 03:06 PM
<p>I just got a response to my PM to Domino.  Sounds like the festival themed blocks on marketplace were, in fact, a mistake and an official post is forthcoming.</p>

Domino
01-11-2012, 03:12 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>And don't give us that "these are released on a totally different schedule" BS! You can release anything you want whenever you want!</p></blockquote><p>Oh how I wish this were true! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>But please see <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=513357#5701096" target="_blank">my post here for more details</a>.</p>

Catria
01-11-2012, 03:20 PM
<p>Copying Domino's post from the other forum here so all can see (still can't easily see links in messages!)  Thanks, Domino, for responding both here and to my private message.</p><div><p><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hmm. was poking around the *NEW* section of the marketplace. .and  seems they have put in an icy set and a red marble set of building blocks and tiles.  They mysteriously do not appear in the announcement of marketplace items though. I don't know what you think.. but it seems like very poor form after the outrage over the last sets. Perhaps they should have put some recipes in game before releasing any more SC sets? Y'know.. to appease the angry crafters?</p></blockquote><p>Well, this was as big a surprise to me as it was to you; these building blocks had been made previously, but it was a mistake they were listed on the marketplace this week.  Sorry for the lack of announcement in this week's marketplace article, we do try to call everything out that's released and this wasn't intended. </p><p>These two sets do indeed match some of the City Festival colours. We won't remove them from the marketplace since they've been listed for sale already, but you'll see these sets start showing up also during the in-game city festivals as they come around, they'll be available in-game like other city festival rewards.</p><p>I <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=105&topic_id=512224#5691103" target="_blank">posted before Christmas</a> to confirm that carpenters will indeed be getting building block sets; this is still the case, and the art has already been created (I've seen it!) for sets to match most of the the existing tile recipes that carpenters currently get from the "essentials" recipe books.  When you list them out though, that's a lot of items: 9 new shapes for each of these sets:</p><ol><li>adamantine</li><li>ash</li><li>briarwood</li><li>elm</li><li>fulginate</li><li>maple</li><li>mossy briarwood</li><li>redwood</li><li>sandalwood</li><li>sumac</li><li>teak</li></ol><p>11 sets x 9 items = 99 house items to create, and 99 recipes to make them.  As much as I know the carpenters are looking forward to these, it does take a little time to create and test this many items and recipes so it's not something we can push out tomorrow, nice as it would be.  Rest assured that they are on the way, and once they are available we'll let you know.</p><p>Apologies for the mix up with these new sets, and I hope this post clears things up a bit!</p></blockquote></div>

Neversea
01-11-2012, 05:02 PM
<p><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>And don't give us that "these are released on a totally different schedule" BS! You can release anything you want whenever you want!</p></blockquote><p>Oh how I wish this were true! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>But please see <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=513357#5701096" target="_blank">my post here for more details</a>.</p></blockquote><p>Thanks Domino for the reply, looking forward to seeing these new recipes and the future blocks to appear on city festivals.  I am still unhappy about blocks being on the marketplace, so I still will not buy these, but I am pleased to know we will see some in-game obtainable other than Station Cash.  That may keep me with EQ2 for a bit longer!</p>

Mystfit
01-11-2012, 05:03 PM
<p>I actually woulndt mind if with each festival they also added them to SC> SO when I get to 4 month 4 and an idea hits me hard and the broker is tooooo expensive, I can grab one or two if i need it.</p>

Catria
01-11-2012, 05:53 PM
<p><cite>Mystfit wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I actually woulndt mind if with each festival they also added them to SC> SO when I get to 4 month 4 and an idea hits me hard and the broker is tooooo expensive, I can grab one or two if i need it.</p></blockquote><p>Now THIS I would be okay with.</p>

Bruji
01-11-2012, 06:05 PM
Thank you Domino for your explanation. BTW what i meant is that although I have SC im not getting any more in the near future because of this. As soon as the blocks are available I will resume my buying SC and spending it happily.