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Thastorton
11-17-2011, 01:02 PM
<p>Hello all,</p><p>I've been playing about 1 week and have a Level 21 Templar. I like the game, so I decided to subscribe.</p><p>I notice that a new expansion is coming out.</p><p>Will I have to buy that expansion (Age of Discovery) and Velious?</p><p>My question is - what do I have to purchase in order to have access to the whole game after Age of Discovery is launched? In other words, what investment will a new player - like me - have to pay in order to have access to the entire content?</p><p>Thanks guys.</p>

Onurissa
11-17-2011, 01:03 PM
<p>Destiny of Velious is last expansion that will unlock you for all CONTENT. AoD is a features expack and is choice only, it will not actually give you any content, just another class, DYOD, tradeskill apprentice, mercs etc...</p><p>Edit: if you buy DOV it will give you all expacks before it, so only need to buy the one to have full content.</p>

Mixxit
11-17-2011, 01:05 PM
<p>In all honesty mate dont bother buying anything till till you hit 85 then get DoV <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Nynaeve
11-17-2011, 01:07 PM
<p>thread should be moved to the other forum section for beginner question.</p><p>Anyway, your best bet is to subscribe to GOLD for a month or longer which unlocks anything except DoV (which you wont need until you're 90 anyway).</p><p>If you're short on cash, buy Silver and unlock your race/class (in case it is locked).</p><p>The only expansion that may make sense to buy is AoD of course - to get access to Mercs and some nice goodies if you get the Collectors Edition.</p>

Cyliena
11-17-2011, 01:08 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>In all honesty mate dont bother buying anything till till you hit 85 then get DoV <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>This. Destiny of Velious doesn't have any content for people below level 85 (in either adventuring or crafting). Age of Destiny is only available for <a href="http://everquest2.com/get_the_game/buy_now" target="_blank">pre-order</a> at this time and is a feature pack basically.</p>

Rijacki
11-17-2011, 01:08 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>In all honesty mate dont bother buying anything till till you hit 85 then get DoV <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>80+ in either adventuring or tradeskilling.</p>

Thastorton
11-17-2011, 01:13 PM
<p>Aye, thanks for the replies.</p><p>The reason I ask is that since I'm only Level 21...well, I think the game is beautiful and fun. I'd like to continue playing. I *did* upgrade to the Gold subscription plan.</p><p>However, I'm trying to figure what the long-term cost will be. In other words, I probably won't bother levelling the character if it turns out that I'll have to pay $40 for Velious and another $40 for Age of Discovery. That would be a total of about $100 USD just to get current (Aod + Velious + Sub).</p><p>And I just don't think I'll be able to talk the wife into $100 lol.</p><p>I'm not trying to be a jerk -- I think I'd really like this game. I'm just trying to figue what the costs are going to be.</p><p>Thanks all for taking the time.</p>

Cyliena
11-17-2011, 01:16 PM
<p>There's a LOT of content out there without including Destiny of Velious. You could keep yourself busy for a long time without it. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Nikta
11-17-2011, 01:18 PM
<p><cite>Thastorton wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Aye, thanks for the replies.</p><p>The reason I ask is that since I'm only Level 21...well, I think the game is beautiful and fun. I'd like to continue playing. I *did* upgrade to the Gold subscription plan.</p><p>However, I'm trying to figure what the long-term cost will be. In other words, I probably won't bother levelling the character if it turns out that I'll have to pay $40 for Velious and another $40 for Age of Discovery. That would be a total of about $100 USD just to get current (Aod + Velious + Sub).</p><p>And I just don't think I'll be able to talk the wife into $100 lol.</p><p>I'm not trying to be a jerk -- I think I'd really like this game. I'm just trying to figue what the costs are going to be.</p><p>Thanks all for taking the time.</p></blockquote><p>Well, you don't have to purchase AOD unless you're interested in those features and you certainly don't have to purchase it now. What I would do since you're new to the game is wait for a double or triple SC weekend, bank some SC and buy it with that. That would make it, if my calculations are correct, about half the price. Same with Velious. You can play the game right now up to 80 or so, without buying any of the expansions since it goes up to Sentinel's Fate.</p>

Rijacki
11-17-2011, 01:31 PM
<p><cite>Thastorton wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Aye, thanks for the replies.</p><p>The reason I ask is that since I'm only Level 21...well, I think the game is beautiful and fun. I'd like to continue playing. I *did* upgrade to the Gold subscription plan.</p><p>However, I'm trying to figure what the long-term cost will be. In other words, I probably won't bother levelling the character if it turns out that I'll have to pay $40 for Velious and another $40 for Age of Discovery. That would be a total of about $100 USD just to get current (Aod + Velious + Sub).</p><p>And I just don't think I'll be able to talk the wife into $100 lol.</p><p>I'm not trying to be a jerk -- I think I'd really like this game. I'm just trying to figue what the costs are going to be.</p><p>Thanks all for taking the time.</p></blockquote><p>At level 21ish, there might be more in AoD to appeal to you than there would be in DoV. Wait until you have your adventuring (or tradeskilling) to a higher level before you get DoV. If the features of AoD appeal to you, if you get it on pre-order you get some extra goodies. You do not need to buy both at the same time. You don't need to have DoV in order to use the features of AoD.</p><p>But, like someone else said, watch for SC double events (MIGHT be one around christmas) and pick up the SC then. You can buy the expansions with SC (though AoD might not be available for SC until a few months after it launches).</p>

Finora
11-17-2011, 01:36 PM
<p><cite>Thastorton wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Aye, thanks for the replies.</p><p>The reason I ask is that since I'm only Level 21...well, I think the game is beautiful and fun. I'd like to continue playing. I *did* upgrade to the Gold subscription plan.</p><p>However, I'm trying to figure what the long-term cost will be. In other words, I probably won't bother levelling the character if it turns out that I'll have to pay $40 for Velious and another $40 for Age of Discovery. That would be a total of about $100 USD just to get current (Aod + Velious + Sub).</p><p>And I just don't think I'll be able to talk the wife into $100 lol.</p><p>I'm not trying to be a jerk -- I think I'd really like this game. I'm just trying to figue what the costs are going to be.</p><p>Thanks all for taking the time.</p></blockquote><p>Well AoD is $40 currently and as far as we know only available through SOE. This is the first expansion that we've had in recent years that didn't include all previous content. We don't know currently if that's going to be the new 'thing' or if the next overland expansion will include previous stuff as they have before.</p><p>That being said, if you buy DOV through the market, you will pay the premium price. You can buy that expansion through other outlets (like Steam and such) for $30 or less not on sale. If you were to catch it on sale you could end up paying substantially less than that. For example prior to DOV release I purchased the last expansion (Sentinal's Fate) for a secondary account for$10 or so from steam. That was only a about 5 months after it's release, I happened to catch it on sale and got a great deal. The Christmas before I bought 2 copies of the previous all in one expansion (The Shadow Odyssey) for a couple of friends for $5 each. That was while each of these things were the current expansion.</p><p>It's a long road from 21-80 and you don't have to buy everything at once. If you'd like, buy AOD now since it has features usable at your level and see if DOV goes on sale.</p><p>All in all EQ2 is a really cheap hobby compared to others I've see people pumping money into =).</p>

Evanair
11-17-2011, 01:47 PM
<p>Honestly, I'd say just stick with what you have right now.  Gold subs have access all the way to 90, and content in DoV doesn't start till around 80-85.Set your AA exp to 50/50 and work your way up doing what you can.  Eventually DoV will drop in price (or do What I did and wait till gamestop has extra tradein value on games and take some in.  I got DoV for 5 bucks selling 2 old ps2 games)</p>

Thastorton
11-17-2011, 03:25 PM
<p>Thanks guys.</p><p>Would I be able to do something like this:</p><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/EverQuest-II-Destiny-Velious-Download/dp/B004J4VXPE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1321554119&sr=8-1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/EverQuest-II-...4119&sr=8-1</a></p><p>That would include a free 30 days of game time.So, the Xpack would really only be $15...with that bit of a discount, I don't mind buying AoD.</p><p>Please note - my character is on the EQ2X Freeport server.</p><p>Also, one last question - one of things that I like about EQ so far is how easy it is to find groups. I've played almost all the major MMOs, but I've never goten into a group as easily as I do here.  Are there generally this many grouping opportunities (and willing groupee's) up to the level cap?</p><p>Thanks again!</p>

Banditman
11-17-2011, 03:30 PM
<p>Free game time is only available to someone who has not already subscribed.  Yes, it's a travesty, but that's how it works.</p>

Thastorton
11-17-2011, 03:31 PM
<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Free game time is only available to someone who has not already subscribed.  Yes, it's a travesty, but that's how it works.</p></blockquote><p>Ah..."ouch" I subscribed yesterday. I guess I should have planned ahead a bit better!</p>

Nrgy
11-17-2011, 03:32 PM
<p>Call me a Sceptic ... but ... is this actually for real? </p>

MurFalad
11-17-2011, 03:42 PM
<p><cite>Thastorton wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Free game time is only available to someone who has not already subscribed.  Yes, it's a travesty, but that's how it works.</p></blockquote><p>Ah..."ouch" I subscribed yesterday. I guess I should have planned ahead a bit better!</p></blockquote><p>This has always been a problem, although a minor one.</p><p>It would be cool if they made it a perk of 30 free days for any account that brought their first expansion, that way it would catch people such as yourself who subscribe, but still work as it currently does today for everyone else.  And from a free to play point of view make a good inducement to buy the next expansion.</p><p>We'll see if any changes get made I guess.</p>

Thastorton
11-17-2011, 03:54 PM
<p><cite>MurFalad wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Thastorton wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Free game time is only available to someone who has not already subscribed.  Yes, it's a travesty, but that's how it works.</p></blockquote><p>Ah..."ouch" I subscribed yesterday. I guess I should have planned ahead a bit better!</p></blockquote><p>This has always been a problem, although a minor one.</p><p>It would be cool if they made it a perk of 30 free days for any account that brought their first expansion, that way it would catch people such as yourself who subscribe, but still work as it currently does today for everyone else.  And from a free to play point of view make a good inducement to buy the next expansion.</p><p>We'll see if any changes get made I guess.</p></blockquote><p>Right...I guess it's a matter of their business model.</p><p>To be honest, I'd thought EQ2 was pretty much dead. Yet, it has been recieving a lot of press this week. So, I thought I would give it a whirl. It turned out that I liked the game enough to subscribe to it. I mean, I think I REALY like the game lol. Except for Erollis...I was MUCH happier when my little Templar left Erollis for greener pastures.</p><p>However, I doubt I will continue to pay a sub fee if I also have to pay ~$80 or so in expansion costs. I think ~$100 is a pretty serious committment. Which woudl be a shame -- because, I think I would really enjoy playing the game.</p><p>Granted, I'm not sure if this is merely an EQ2 problem. With LOTRO I had to pay for Moria and Mirkwood plus VIP sub (3 months = $30) and now Isengard...so that's about ~$100 for a new player. WOW is pretty pricey, too. I've not played WoW in years, though. On the other hand, EVE is only $15/month while Rift is $15/month plus...a pretty cheap client. I'm just not certain...if that $100 initial investment is worth it...and it's sort of hard to start putting a lot of work into a character and then just dropping it.</p><p>It's really the one thing about MMOs that sort of drives me bonkers. I hate having such a large financial investment -- then I feel as if I "have to" play the game to get my monies worth.</p><p>EDIT (TO SUM UP): I guess what I'm trying to say is as follows: if they're trying to attract new players to an older game, like EQ2, then I am the sort of player to attract in my opinion. I'm older and likely to not have a problem paying a sub fee. But, what new player is really going to <em>start playing if they have to drop <strong>~$100?</strong></em> That seems way too high. I'd pay $40-$60 to start (the going rate of a "new" game.)</p>

yohann koldheart
11-17-2011, 04:11 PM
<p><cite>Thastorton wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>MurFalad wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Thastorton wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Free game time is only available to someone who has not already subscribed.  Yes, it's a travesty, but that's how it works.</p></blockquote><p>Ah..."ouch" I subscribed yesterday. I guess I should have planned ahead a bit better!</p></blockquote><p>This has always been a problem, although a minor one.</p><p>It would be cool if they made it a perk of 30 free days for any account that brought their first expansion, that way it would catch people such as yourself who subscribe, but still work as it currently does today for everyone else.  And from a free to play point of view make a good inducement to buy the next expansion.</p><p>We'll see if any changes get made I guess.</p></blockquote><p>However, I doubt I will continue to pay a sub fee if I also have to pay ~$80 or so in expansion costs. I think ~$100 is a pretty serious committment. Which woudl be a shame -- because, I think I would really enjoy playing the game.</p></blockquote><p>dont buy anyhting now, if your just starting you wont need or use it for a wile. over the holidays they have double , and sometimes tripple station cash. go to wal mart buy the station cash cards and redeem then durring these events.</p><p>you can use that station cash to buy the expansions off th market for half of what you would pay for them elsewhare.</p>

Nrgy
11-17-2011, 04:16 PM
<p><cite>Thastorton wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>EDIT (TO SUM UP): I guess what I'm trying to say is as follows: if they're trying to attract new players to an older game, like EQ2, then I am the sort of player to attract in my opinion. I'm older and likely to not have a problem paying a sub fee. But, what new player is really going to <em>start playing if they have to drop <strong>~$100?</strong></em> That seems way too high. I'd pay $40-$60 to start (the going rate of a "new" game.)</p></blockquote><p>I feel this is a Bait'N Switch, but I'll give it a crack.</p><p>To start playing EQ2 under the F2P model the total expense to begin "enjoying" the franchise is exactly, in USD, ZERO ($0.00).  There are guidelines and restrictions, but they are far, far less restrictive than any other MMO franchise on the market, as I understand them today.</p><p>With the F2P Bronze or the F2P "Free" (available 12/2011 est.) membership level you are allowed to select 1 of 4 races and 1 of 8 classes and alloted 2 free character slots to use.  The F2P "Free" level allows you to level from 1 to 90 using all game land mass up to and including the SF expansion.  The includes all previous land mass expansions such as EOF, KOS, ROK, TSO, SF, Splitpaw and whatever that Vampire Adventure pack was, iirc.  That is a Metric Ton of land mass content available for FREE.</p><p>There is no reason to "buy"DOV until you are 85+ Adv / TS and AoD is optional, although it does contain "Features" which can be consumed by lower level players.</p><p>F2P without "add-ons" actually is FREE, however, many people will see and find benefit in less restrictive membership levels which would NOT be free.</p><p>I hope that helps .. and if this post is actually genuine, then welcome, if not then stick it!</p>

Thastorton
11-17-2011, 04:26 PM
<p><cite>Nrgy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Thastorton wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>EDIT (TO SUM UP): I guess what I'm trying to say is as follows: if they're trying to attract new players to an older game, like EQ2, then I am the sort of player to attract in my opinion. I'm older and likely to not have a problem paying a sub fee. But, what new player is really going to <em>start playing if they have to drop <strong>~$100?</strong></em> That seems way too high. I'd pay $40-$60 to start (the going rate of a "new" game.)</p></blockquote><p>I feel this is a Bait'N Switch, but I'll give it a crack.</p><p>To start playing EQ2 under the F2P model the total expense to begin "enjoying" the franchise is exactly, in USD, ZERO ($0.00).  There are guidelines and restrictions, but they are far, far less restrictive than any other MMO franchise on the market, as I understand them today.</p><p>With the F2P Bronze or the F2P "Free" (available 12/2011 est.) membership level you are allowed to select 1 of 4 races and 1 of 8 classes and alloted 2 free character slots to use.  The F2P "Free" level allows you to level from 1 to 90 using all game land mass up to and including the SF expansion.  The includes all previous land mass expansions such as EOF, KOS, ROK, TSO, SF, Splitpaw and whatever that Vampire Adventure pack was, iirc.  That is a Metric Ton of land mass content available for FREE.</p><p>There is no reason to "buy"DOV until you are 85+ Adv / TS and AoD is optional, although it does contain "Features" which can be consumed by lower level players.</p><p>F2P without "add-ons" actually is FREE, however, many people will see and find benefit in less restrictive membership levels which would NOT be free.</p><p>I hope that helps .. and if this post is actually genuine, then welcome, if not then stick it!</p></blockquote><p>It's genuine, I assure you.</p><p>Yeah, I did upgrade to the Gold subscription plan. And yes, the included game content is tremendous. The graphics are quite decent and the world is more detailed than other MMOs out there (as far as I can tell, at this point.)</p><p>You guys are probably right. By the time that I get a character to level 80+, then one of the two expansions will likely be lower in price. Or there will be one of those "double" SC point weekends.</p><p>I think my point is that, regardless, the better business model might be to offer a $40-$60 AoD expansion pack which includes all of the previous expansions. I think this is the better option because there WILL be a lot of people trying EQ2, like me, who might be put off at having to pay for BOTH expansions. If the goal is to eventually increase sub revenues, then I think more people might give more money in the long run if the initial investment were lower.</p><p>As it is now, I'm a bit suspicious...I'm really going to think about it. Whereas if they offered a $40-$60 AoD which included the earlier expansiosn I would probably just whip out the credit card. I hope this makes sense.</p><p>EDIT: Let me be honest. I'm going to end up spending the cash on it...of course. I'm an MMO guy, I love the fantasy genre, and EQ2 is my "new shiny." I'll ask my wife for it as a holiday gift. I guess what I'm saying is that maybe more people would be attracted to the game if they offered an "all-inclusive" option.</p>

Nrgy
11-17-2011, 05:38 PM
<p><cite>Thastorton wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>EDIT: Let me be honest. I'm going to end up spending the cash on it...of course. I'm an MMO guy, I love the fantasy genre, and EQ2 is my "new shiny." I'll ask my wife for it as a holiday gift. I guess what I'm saying is that maybe more people would be attracted to the game if they offered an "all-inclusive" option.</p></blockquote><p>First let me say, again, welcome.</p><p>Secondly, The "all-inclusiveness" I'll just say at this point is relative.  IF you actually are NEW to EQ2 and you enjoy the adventure aspect of the game world it is immense.  In terms of scale, based on 100, included DOV part 2 (due in March '12) I'll attempt to demonstrate the content, albeit poorly I'm sure.</p><ul><li>Base Game includes all previous expansions thru SF <ul><li>Score = ~70 %</li><li>cost = zero F2P bronze membership</li></ul></li><li>Destiny of Velious (part 1) <ul><li>score = ~10%</li><li>cost = ~$40</li></ul></li><li>Age of Discovery (feature pack) <ul><li>score = ~10%</li><li>cost = ~40</li></ul></li><li>Destiny of Velious (part 2) <ul><li>score = ~10%</li><li>cost = zore (included in DoV part 1)</li></ul></li><li>x_Expansion_x (~Winter 2012) <ul><li>no score</li></ul></li><li>Destiny of Velious (part 3) (~winter 2013) <ul><li>no score</li></ul></li></ul><p>So, you can clearly see that the bulk of the MMO content is in fact free.  The only caveat would be that the bulk of the population is in DoV with the exception of possibly Freeport and Antoina Bayle.  If you equated that into hours of game time to level up using the available content it could be in the hundreds if not over 1,000 hours of game play.  Most players never come close to completing All content.  Some have and it has taken years to do so.</p><p>It would be interesting if someone was willing to bet you the cost of the DOV Expansion verses if you could complete even half of the available quests in the "base" game before DOV part 2 was released.  I highly doubt anyone could.</p>

Deveryn
11-17-2011, 05:46 PM
<p><cite>Thastorton wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Nrgy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Thastorton wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>EDIT (TO SUM UP): I guess what I'm trying to say is as follows: if they're trying to attract new players to an older game, like EQ2, then I am the sort of player to attract in my opinion. I'm older and likely to not have a problem paying a sub fee. But, what new player is really going to <em>start playing if they have to drop <strong>~$100?</strong></em> That seems way too high. I'd pay $40-$60 to start (the going rate of a "new" game.)</p></blockquote><p>I feel this is a Bait'N Switch, but I'll give it a crack.</p><p>To start playing EQ2 under the F2P model the total expense to begin "enjoying" the franchise is exactly, in USD, ZERO ($0.00).  There are guidelines and restrictions, but they are far, far less restrictive than any other MMO franchise on the market, as I understand them today.</p><p>With the F2P Bronze or the F2P "Free" (available 12/2011 est.) membership level you are allowed to select 1 of 4 races and 1 of 8 classes and alloted 2 free character slots to use.  The F2P "Free" level allows you to level from 1 to 90 using all game land mass up to and including the SF expansion.  The includes all previous land mass expansions such as EOF, KOS, ROK, TSO, SF, Splitpaw and whatever that Vampire Adventure pack was, iirc.  That is a Metric Ton of land mass content available for FREE.</p><p>There is no reason to "buy"DOV until you are 85+ Adv / TS and AoD is optional, although it does contain "Features" which can be consumed by lower level players.</p><p>F2P without "add-ons" actually is FREE, however, many people will see and find benefit in less restrictive membership levels which would NOT be free.</p><p>I hope that helps .. and if this post is actually genuine, then welcome, if not then stick it!</p></blockquote><p>It's genuine, I assure you.</p><p>Yeah, I did upgrade to the Gold subscription plan. And yes, the included game content is tremendous. The graphics are quite decent and the world is more detailed than other MMOs out there (as far as I can tell, at this point.)</p><p>You guys are probably right. By the time that I get a character to level 80+, then one of the two expansions will likely be lower in price. Or there will be one of those "double" SC point weekends.</p><p>I think my point is that, regardless, the better business model might be to offer a $40-$60 AoD expansion pack which includes all of the previous expansions. I think this is the better option because there WILL be a lot of people trying EQ2, like me, who might be put off at having to pay for BOTH expansions. If the goal is to eventually increase sub revenues, then I think more people might give more money in the long run if the initial investment were lower.</p><p>As it is now, I'm a bit suspicious...I'm really going to think about it. Whereas if they offered a $40-$60 AoD which included the earlier expansiosn I would probably just whip out the credit card. I hope this makes sense.</p><p>EDIT: Let me be honest. I'm going to end up spending the cash on it...of course. I'm an MMO guy, I love the fantasy genre, and EQ2 is my "new shiny." I'll ask my wife for it as a holiday gift. I guess what I'm saying is that maybe more people would be attracted to the game if they offered an "all-inclusive" option.</p></blockquote><p>The thing about AoD is it's essentially a feature pack, whereas previous expansions included a massive amount of content and quests. Few on the forums seem to grasp this, though. Maybe they just need to change the wording to feature pack, rather than expansion. That seems to be a major stumbling block in the thought process. This new pack plus the announcement of the F2P transition seems to be a bit much for people to digest.</p><p>Regarding your suggestion for an all-inclusive pack, that already exists. It's Destiny of Velious.</p>

Nrgy
11-17-2011, 06:02 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>The thing about AoD is it's essentially a feature pack, whereas previous expansions included a massive amount of content and quests. Few on the forums seem to grasp this, though. Maybe they just need to change the wording to feature pack, rather than expansion. That seems to be a major stumbling block in the thought process. This new pack plus the announcement of the F2P transition seems to be a bit much for people to digest.<p>Regarding your suggestion for an all-inclusive pack, that already exists. It's Destiny of Velious. <span style="color: #ff0000;">excluding AoD</span></p></blockquote><p>Keep in mind .. that if the OP is actually a genuine NEW F2P players and not a corporate troll then they have tons and tons of content to consume before they ever get to the point where veteran players are at in consumed content.</p><p>To a "new" player the AoD "features" would be a great benefit.  Mercs, DYOD, TS Apps, Beastlords, etc.  A new player doesn't need new land mass, becasue they have yet to consume the available land mass, let along do it on their 10th alt.  They have a lot to look forward to in the lans of Norath.  DOV is a long way off for them.  AoD would give them instant use.</p><p>My point was ... Inclusiveness is pointless if you don't have any hope of actually consuming the content.  Use what they give you for free now and buy what you want later.  Pick up AoD if you want to "spend" money it will be better to use those features now than wait a year to zone into DOV. </p><p>Now, of course, none of that matters and is completely backwards, if you race to level cap and skip 90% of the land mass.</p>

Deveryn
11-17-2011, 06:06 PM
<p>Thanks for illustrating my point.</p>

Thastorton
11-17-2011, 06:18 PM
<p><cite>Nrgy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>The thing about AoD is it's essentially a feature pack, whereas previous expansions included a massive amount of content and quests. Few on the forums seem to grasp this, though. Maybe they just need to change the wording to feature pack, rather than expansion. That seems to be a major stumbling block in the thought process. This new pack plus the announcement of the F2P transition seems to be a bit much for people to digest.<p>Regarding your suggestion for an all-inclusive pack, that already exists. It's Destiny of Velious. <span style="color: #ff0000;">excluding AoD</span></p></blockquote><p>Keep in mind .. that if the OP is actually a genuine NEW F2P players and not a corporate troll then they have tons and tons of content to consume before they ever get to the point where veteran players are at in consumed content.</p><p>To a "new" player the AoD "features" would be a great benefit.  Mercs, DYOD, TS Apps, Beastlords, etc.  A new player doesn't need new land mass, becasue they have yet to consume the available land mass, let along do it on their 10th alt.  They have a lot to look forward to in the lans of Norath.  DOV is a long way off for them.  AoD would give them instant use.</p><p>My point was ... Inclusiveness is pointless if you don't have any hope of actually consuming the content.  Use what they give you for free now and buy what you want later.  Pick up AoD if you want to "spend" money it will be better to use those features now than wait a year to zone into DOV. </p><p>Now, of course, none of that matters and is completely backwards, if you race to level cap and skip 90% of the land mass.</p></blockquote><p>I hear what you're saying. Let me assure you that I am, in fact, a "real," and genuine NEW EQ2 Player. I started roughly one week ago. I have now subscribed to the "Gold" plan on Freeport (so, I am not a F2P anymore...I pay.)</p><p>Again, I see your point - YES, it is a lot of content. That's the main reason that I'm attracted to EQ2 at the moment - there seems to be a lot to do. </p><p>My only point is that the pricing structure is oddly intimidating to the new player. I mean, ~$100 for a seven year old game is surprisingly high. I mean, one can jump into SWTOR - a brand new game - for $60 + $15 ($85) or Rift - less than one year old - for about $40-50.Even WOW Battlechest is $20 on Amazon, plus $25 (Amazon) for Cataclysm - that's only about $65 for a new player with a sub.</p><p>In essence, I wish that the pricing would be a bit more realistic -- i.e., $40-60. That's my only point. The COMPLETE game should be available to a new player for $40-60. That's what the majority of other games do. Asking $100 for a 7 year old game is frankly VERY high - and an outlier for the industry.</p><p>And no - I'm not a corporate shill. I'm just a person who'd like to play the game for a bit less than the price they're offering.</p><p>EDITed to clarify.</p>

Deveryn
11-17-2011, 06:27 PM
<p><cite>Thastorton wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>In essence, I wish that the pricing would be a bit more realistic -- i.e., $40-60. That's my only point. The COMPLETE game should be available to a new player for $40-60. That's what the majority of other games do. Asking $100 for a 7 year old game is frankly VERY high - and an outlier for the industry.</p></blockquote><p>This is why I'm placing emphasis on AoD and how it really isn't needed for a beginner. You get the complete essential portion of the game for only 40$. You can experience the whole game, level 1 to 90, all continents and never have to spend anything on AoD. Future content and your access to it has NOTHING to do with having AoD. All content generated from AoD by way of the TS apprentices and DYOD will be free to access.</p>

Thastorton
11-17-2011, 06:40 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Thastorton wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>In essence, I wish that the pricing would be a bit more realistic -- i.e., $40-60. That's my only point. The COMPLETE game should be available to a new player for $40-60. That's what the majority of other games do. Asking $100 for a 7 year old game is frankly VERY high - and an outlier for the industry.</p></blockquote><p>This is why I'm placing emphasis on AoD and how it really isn't needed for a beginner. You get the complete essential portion of the game for only 40$. You can experience the whole game, level 1 to 90, all continents and never have to spend anything on AoD. Future content and your access to it has NOTHING to do with having AoD. All content generated from AoD by way of the TS apprentices and DYOD will be free to access.</p></blockquote><p>Ah, I think I get what you're saying.</p><p>That the "content" update is DoV and the previous expansions.</p><p>AoD ships features which are fun - and add perhaps hours of enjoyment to game play - but not in anyway necessary. Is that correct? </p><p>I'll try to draw a visual picture. Imagine a graph. One axis has content and the other axis plots depth. DoV increases the "content" of the game, while AoD increases the "depth."</p><p>Is that right?</p>

Nrgy
11-17-2011, 06:40 PM
<p><cite>Thastorton wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I hear what you're saying. Let me assure you that I am, in fact, a "real," and genuine NEW EQ2 Player. I started roughly one week ago. I have now subscribed to the "Gold" plan on Freeport (so, I am not a F2P anymore...I pay.)</p><p>Again, I see your point - YES, it is a lot of content. That's the main reason that I'm attracted to EQ2 at the moment - there seems to be a lot to do. </p><p>My only point is that the pricing structure is oddly intimidating to the new player. I mean, ~$100 for a seven year old game is surprisingly high. I mean, one can jump into SWTOR - a brand new game - for $60 + $15 ($85) or Rift - less than one year old - for about $40-50.Even WOW Battlechest is $20 on Amazon, plus $25 (Amazon) for Cataclysm - that's only about $65 for a new player with a sub.</p><p>In essence, I wish that the pricing would be a bit more realistic -- i.e., $40-60. That's my only point. The game should be available to a new player for $40-60. Asking $100 for a 7 year old game is frankly VERY high - and an outlier for the industry.</p><p>And no - I'm not a corporate shill. I'm just a person who'd like to play the game for a bit less than the price they're offering.</p></blockquote><p>Ok .. Less than what ?? IT'S FREE.  At the mosts it is $15 / month to be a Gold Member.  You do not need DOV, and frankly you can't even use it or benefit from it until your level 85+ and even then, technically, it's optional.  Same goes for AoD, its optional, although you could start using that at any level.</p><p>Further more, you can buy DOV at a continually reducing price point ... down to $25.99 bucks (amazon).  It would be semi-safe to say it might be lower in March 2012 when it becomes twice as large as it is now. </p><p>AoD is the latestand greatest and is release at $40 bucks.  It would also be safe to think it will cost lass later on, but thats not as attrative as DOV because there are "features" you can use in lower levels.</p><p>... There is no "point" in buying products which you A) don't need and B) can't use.  Unless, of course, want to.  So, you have a <span style="color: #ff9900;">Gold Member</span> (I will never get tired of typing that) for $15 / month.  You could buy AoD if you like those optional "features".  You can buy DOV if you either feel is makes you "Complete" or you don't want to "Bother" later on.   Think that you will "enjoy the ride" and not "race to the cap" I'd lean towards keeping the <span style="color: #ff9900;">Gold Member</span>  and adding AoD and you're in for $55 with a $15 monthly fee.</p>

Nrgy
11-17-2011, 06:43 PM
<p><cite>Thastorton wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Ah, I think I get what you're saying.<p>That the "content" update is DoV and the previous expansions.</p><p>AoD ships features which are fun - and add perhaps hours of enjoyment to game play - but not in anyway necessary. Is that correct? </p><p>I'll try to draw a visual picture. Imagine a graph. One axis has content and the other axis plots depth. DoV increases the "content" of the game, while AoD increases the "depth."</p><p>Is that right?</p></blockquote><p>Content wise it is:  Base Game .................................................. .........................................DOV#1.... ...DOV#2</p><p>Feature wise it is: Base Game ........................................AOD...</p>

Thastorton
11-17-2011, 06:46 PM
<p><cite>Nrgy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Thastorton wrote:</cite></p><p>... There is no "point" in buying products which you A) don't need and B) can't use.  Unless, of course, want to.  So, you have a <span style="color: #ff9900;">Gold Member</span> (I will never get tired of typing that) for $15 / month.  You could buy AoD if you like those optional "features".  You can buy DOV if you either feel is makes you "Complete" or you don't want to "Bother" later on.   Think that you will "enjoy the ride" and not "race to the cap" I'd lean towards keeping the <span style="color: #ff9900;">Gold Member</span>  and adding AoD and you're in for $55 with a $15 monthly fee.</p></blockquote><p>You're right, you're right. I am a *sloooooooowwww* leveller. Much of that is because I can never decide to focus on any particular class.</p><p>Anyway. I think my problem has to do with the way expansions are marketed differently in different games. In WoW, for example, you NEED the expansion to continue to grow your character. In EVE, you NEED the expansion; however, the expansion is included in your cost. In LotRO you sort of need the expansion -- i.e., if you don't buy it then you're going to be very bored.</p><p>It seems that in EQ2, the "DoV" expansion you will (most likely) need to buy at some point; whereas, the AoD expansion is more of an optional feature pack which "enhances" or "deepens" your gaming experience.</p>

gourdon
11-17-2011, 06:52 PM
<p>One thing to add here.  Those who are subscribed via credit card will soon be getting 500SC a month with their subscription.  This can help to purchase expansions if you don't blow it all on other stuff.</p>