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MixxitNDance_Live
11-12-2011, 07:17 AM
<p>Is this true? Because i'm considering moving to Antonia Bayle as during European times there's only 2 rp guilds on at the moment and f2p would boost the playerbase on the server as it's population is currently lacking (in my timezone) </p><p>If this is the case then it doesn't make much sense for me to buy a copy token if new roleplayers won't know which server to go to and i'll stay where i am</p><p>Can someone clarify?</p>

Revman
11-12-2011, 07:59 AM
<p>Not true.</p>

MixxitNDance_Live
11-12-2011, 08:30 AM
<p>This was what was said in antonia_bayle.rplfg so i'm not sure - would be nice to hear something from a dev</p>

Mystfit
11-12-2011, 09:38 AM
<p>The latest podcast (It was a link on the launcher) has the devs speaking on it.</p>

TalisX1
11-12-2011, 09:58 AM
<p><cite>MixxitNDance_Live wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This was what was said in antonia_bayle.rplfg so i'm not sure - would be nice to hear something from a dev</p></blockquote><p>Was answered by smokejumper directly in another thread. He said the RP tag will remain.</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=363&topic_id=509050�">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...509050�</a></p><p>Silat</p>

MixxitNDance_Live
11-12-2011, 10:01 AM
<p>Thank you thank you thank you!</p>

MixxitNDance_Live
11-12-2011, 10:02 AM
<address>(antonia here i come)</address>

yohann koldheart
11-12-2011, 03:45 PM
<p>not that it matters, there is like 2 guilds that rp within the guild, other thent hose 2 or 3 guilds no one rp's</p>

Banedon_Toran
11-12-2011, 07:28 PM
<p><cite>yohann koldheart wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>not that it matters, there is like 2 guilds that rp within the guild, other thent hose 2 or 3 guilds no one rp's</p></blockquote><p><watches closing ceremony of the Festival of Discord in the Commonlands></p><p>Nobody RP's? I don't think you're hanging around the same AB server as I have in the last few days.</p>

DreaddJester
11-13-2011, 12:46 PM
<p><cite>yohann koldheart wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>not that it matters, there is like 2 guilds that rp within the guild, other thent hose 2 or 3 guilds no one rp's</p></blockquote><p>I see lots of people and guilds that RP on AB and I'd say there's plenty more than two guilds that RP.  As was said by the above poster, we just had the Festival of Discord, which is an RP event.  You also have the RP channels and a "how to RP on AB" book on the AH.  Just because you do not move in the RP circles on the server does not make what you see so.</p>

agentsix
11-13-2011, 01:32 PM
<p><cite>DreaddJester wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>yohann koldheart wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>not that it matters, there is like 2 guilds that rp within the guild, other thent hose 2 or 3 guilds no one rp's</p></blockquote><p>I see lots of people and guilds that RP on AB and I'd say there's plenty more than two guilds that RP.  As was said by the above poster, we just had the Festival of Discord, which is an RP event.  You also have the RP channels and a "how to RP on AB" book on the AH.  Just because you do not move in the RP circles on the server does not make what you see so.</p></blockquote><p>If you move in RP circles it stands to reason you see more RP.</p><p>However, if you do LFG, pickup groups, or the DF you'll see very little RP on AB.</p>

Rijacki
11-13-2011, 01:40 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>DreaddJester wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>yohann koldheart wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>not that it matters, there is like 2 guilds that rp within the guild, other thent hose 2 or 3 guilds no one rp's</p></blockquote><p>I see lots of people and guilds that RP on AB and I'd say there's plenty more than two guilds that RP.  As was said by the above poster, we just had the Festival of Discord, which is an RP event.  You also have the RP channels and a "how to RP on AB" book on the AH.  Just because you do not move in the RP circles on the server does not make what you see so.</p></blockquote><p>If you move in RP circles it stands to reason you see more RP.</p><p>However, if you do LFG, pickup groups, or the DF you'll see very little RP on AB.</p></blockquote><p>No one would dispute that, but that doesn't mean no one RPs. It doesn't even mean that some of those you're in pickup/DF groups with aren't RPers. No one would even dispute that there are more non-RPers and possibly even more anti-RPers on AB than active RPers. It's actually because there are a lot of anti-RPers on AB that most RPers don't RP outside of their own circles. Would you do something out in the open or everywhere you go if you constantly had to put up with bullying because of it?</p><p>I'm in an RP guild (as well as a raiding guild), my boyfriend is in a different RP guild (he plays goodie-two-shoes, I tend to prefer the darker side), we have friends who are in several other RP guilds. It's really not hard to find RPers on AB, but you do have to look for them, generally you cannot, sadly, just stumble upon them by walking around and otherwise doing random things.</p>

agentsix
11-13-2011, 01:47 PM
<p><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> It's really not hard to find RPers on AB, but you do have to look for them, generally you cannot, sadly, just stumble upon them by walking around and otherwise doing random things.</p></blockquote><p>Fair enough. I just want players to know that AB is not some RP wonderworld just because it has a RP tag on the server page. If you want total immersion you won't find it in the general gameworld. You really need a RP guild for that. And you can find a RP guild on most servers.</p>

DreaddJester
11-13-2011, 02:06 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>However, if you do LFG, pickup groups, or the DF you'll see very little RP on AB.</p></blockquote><p>People don't generally just burst into roleplaying any more than theme music just bursts out from nowhere in real life.  Most roleplayers don't roleplay 100% of the time, exspecially if they're in a pickup group with strangers they don't know.  Much of the roleplaying happens within group chat, guild chat, private channels, or tells.  Just because you don't read it in your text doesn't mean it's not going on around you.  You could even have two or three people in your  pickup group doing roleplaying in a private channel as you all play.  They may not tell you about it but they're doing it.  We do this, yes, because of all the anti-rp folk who, for whatever reason, decided to join a server that specializes in something they don't like.</p><p>As for finding a RP guild on a non-RP server, sure you can do that.  Can even make one up yourself.  However, with AB being labled as an RP server one who wants to roleplay can join that server with some assurance that they will find a RP guild with some ease instead of having to search though a bunch that aren't.</p><p>Over the years I've honestly not understood what was all the hoopla from non-roleplayers over RP servers.  In nearly every MMORPG there are very few RP servers and lots of "normal" servers.  Why on Earth I would go, oh I don't know, to a rock concert for instance, and scream about how horrible rock & roll is to those who enjoy it and are there to enjoy it is a mystery to me.  But for some reason people seem to take joy in removing joy from others. </p>

Rijacki
11-13-2011, 02:13 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> It's really not hard to find RPers on AB, but you do have to look for them, generally you cannot, sadly, just stumble upon them by walking around and otherwise doing random things.</p></blockquote><p>Fair enough. I just want players to know that AB is not some RP wonderworld just because it has a RP tag on the server page. If you want total immersion you won't find it in the general gameworld. You really need a RP guild for that. And you can find a RP guild on most servers.</p></blockquote><p>I agree fully. There might be a few more on AB and they might be a bit easier to find on AB because the tag makes some feel more confident they won't be ridiculed at every turn and the RP guilds are a lot more apt to 'advertise' that they RP, too, for the same reason.</p><p>No one has ever made the claim that RP only exists on AB. No one has ever made the claim that RP oozes out of every corner of AB. But the claim that only a couple guilds RP is so blatantly false it's ludicrous. Heck, I'd hazzard a guess there are more than just a couple guilds on EACH server that RP.</p>

Avirodar
11-13-2011, 03:03 PM
<p>1) No.2) It would only make a difference to insecure people. It is a superficial tag on a standard PVE server.</p>

Golbezz
11-13-2011, 05:46 PM
<p><cite>DreaddJester wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Over the years I've honestly not understood what was all the hoopla from non-roleplayers over RP servers.  In nearly every MMORPG there are very few RP servers and lots of "normal" servers.  Why on Earth I would go, oh I don't know, to a rock concert for instance, and scream about how horrible rock & roll is to those who enjoy it and are there to enjoy it is a mystery to me.  But for some reason people seem to take joy in removing joy from others.  </p></blockquote><p>In the case of EQ2 when many of the standard rule servers were unplayable AB got new hardware. Some raid guilds and many players made a choice to give up on their home server and go to the server that at the time just recently was upgraded. Also in EQ2's case many players know some SOE employees play there and associate that with server issues being fixed faster.</p><p>It's fair to say that there are some players who feel the RP server got special treatment so those players probably associate RP with special treatment and have a very negative view of those players as a result.</p><p>In terms of keeping the populations happy SOE should have either upgraded AB and a standard server at the same time, or upgrade a standard server first to attract the players looking for top hardware to that server and then upgrade AB shortly after, but SOE forced players to choose between dealing with really bad server lag or moving to the RP server with nice new hardware.</p><p>Guess what many players and top raid guilds chose to do?</p>

Rijacki
11-13-2011, 07:30 PM
<p><cite>Golbezz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>DreaddJester wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Over the years I've honestly not understood what was all the hoopla from non-roleplayers over RP servers.  In nearly every MMORPG there are very few RP servers and lots of "normal" servers.  Why on Earth I would go, oh I don't know, to a rock concert for instance, and scream about how horrible rock & roll is to those who enjoy it and are there to enjoy it is a mystery to me.  But for some reason people seem to take joy in removing joy from others.  </p></blockquote><p>In the case of EQ2 when many of the standard rule servers were unplayable AB got new hardware. Some raid guilds and many players made a choice to give up on their home server and go to the server that at the time just recently was upgraded. Also in EQ2's case many players know some SOE employees play there and associate that with server issues being fixed faster.</p><p>It's fair to say that there are some players who feel the RP server got special treatment so those players probably associate RP with special treatment and have a very negative view of those players as a result.</p><p>In terms of keeping the populations happy SOE should have either upgraded AB and a standard server at the same time, or upgrade a standard server first to attract the players looking for top hardware to that server and then upgrade AB shortly after, but SOE forced players to choose between dealing with really bad server lag or moving to the RP server with nice new hardware.</p><p>Guess what many players and top raid guilds chose to do?</p></blockquote><p>AB had the largest population at that time. At that time, should SOE have upgraded Vox with new hardware, the least populated server? Would that have made sense?</p><p>Why did so many flock to AB from day one? It's always had the "Roleplay preferred" tag since the day of launch. Most of those flocking to AB in the first months and for all the years -before- it got new hardware were not RPers.</p><p>It's not fair at all to say that the RP server got special treatment. It would be fair to say the most populated server at that tme got special treatment.</p><p>AND SOE -did- upgrade a standard server at the same time as AB. I believe Crushbone got its upgrade at the same time or within a week or two of AB's. Crushbone was/is also one of the more populated servers.</p>

Golbezz
11-13-2011, 09:19 PM
<p><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>AB had the largest population at that time. At that time, should SOE have upgraded Vox with new hardware, the least populated server? Would that have made sense?</p><p>Why did so many flock to AB from day one? It's always had the "Roleplay preferred" tag since the day of launch. Most of those flocking to AB in the first months and for all the years -before- it got new hardware were not RPers.</p><p>It's not fair at all to say that the RP server got special treatment. It would be fair to say the most populated server at that tme got special treatment.</p><p>AND SOE -did- upgrade a standard server at the same time as AB. I believe Crushbone got its upgrade at the same time or within a week or two of AB's. Crushbone was/is also one of the more populated servers.</p></blockquote><p>Well during the time the free transfers were enabled (right after server merges) AB had the best hardware of the live servers. If CB got it's upgrade after AB the issue is that it happened outside the free transfer time. Had the free transfer lasted longer, and lets say CB was upgraded first it would have attracted the majority of players looking for the best hardware.</p><p>Fair or not this issue is what players think about the server and the time of upgrade. If players see a certain server get the upgrade first they may not associate the relative population in relation to their own server. They see the RP server getting an upgrade while their normal server is too laggy to play. So it's not really that unreasonable to think that some of these players might have gone over to AB holding alot of negative views towards RP'ers since their server got the upgrade first. Again, it's not what is fair or not but simply a view that some players may believe that the RP server gets special treatment, possibly because it's no secret that at least some SOE employees play there.</p><p>I would be curious to see an actual timeline of server upgrades although I suspect this would reveal AB had been upgraded long before the 2nd server got new hardware which would of course reinforce views held by those thinking the RP server got special treatment.</p><p>Over the years existing players directed new players to AB for population while others probably selected the server that was listed as the most heavily loaded which all contibuted to population imbalance between servers. From what I have seen in EQ, EQ2, Vanguard RP servers tend to have a more "casual" reputation as well which can tend to attract casual non-RP'ers. This casual reputation may also be part of the negative view many hardcore players have towards RP'ers, seeing them as casual clueless noobs who don't understand their class and game mechanics. Combine these views with the special treatment views and it can explain the hostility between the different playstyles.</p><p>So, how could this actually be resolved? Neither the hardcore players nor RP'ers would be easily convinced to change their views of the other group and both groups are on the same server for very different reasons of RP for 1 group, population or hardware for the other.</p>

DreaddJester
11-13-2011, 10:45 PM
<p><cite>Golbezz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite></p><p>From what I have seen in EQ, EQ2, Vanguard RP servers tend to have a more "casual" reputation as well which can tend to attract casual non-RP'ers. This casual reputation may also be part of the negative view many hardcore players have towards RP'ers, seeing them as casual clueless noobs who don't understand their class and game mechanics.</p></blockquote><p>This "casual" reputation is not exclusive to just online games.  Even pen and paper games have a line in the sand between the ROLEplayers and the ROLLplayers. </p><p>ROLEplayers are anything but casual, they just stress over different details.  They worry about the background, the story elements, their characters history, the worlds history, and most of all the acting out of their characters part and if it's right or not.  I as a ROLEplayer might have a very good idea that there are bandits around the next corner ready to jump me but my character doesn't so he's going to walk merrily into them unprepared and he'll deal with them as best he can after the fact.  It makes for good story and is more realistic.  An Ogre bard character??  Bring it on because he has to have one very interesting story to tell!!</p><p>ROLLplayers on the other hand are also not causal but worry more about the numbers.  Min/Max my class.  Throw out anything that's not needed and max out the things that are.  Make your character a killing machine that can dish out the most damage the fastest and/or take and mitigate the most damage in a fight.  As a ROLLplayer I know there's bandits around the next corner and I'm going in charging with swords drawn and spells popping.  We know they're there, why not be ready for them?  An Ogre bard character??  Why on earth would anyone play that race/class combo?  The class doesn't bennifit from any of the Ogre's stats or abilities.</p><p>It's just two very different ways of playing the same game.  One focuses on the story of the game, the other on the numbers of the game.  Neither view is wrong really.  Just a matter of personal perference and views.  I have noticed that people who create roleplaying games though tend to be ROLEplayers, which is probably why you see more EQ2 staff playing on the RP server.</p>

Golbezz
11-13-2011, 11:52 PM
<p><cite>DreaddJester wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This "casual" reputation is not exclusive to just online games.  Even pen and paper games have a line in the sand between the ROLEplayers and the ROLLplayers. </p><p>ROLEplayers are anything but casual, they just stress over different details.  They worry about the background, the story elements, their characters history, the worlds history, and most of all the acting out of their characters part and if it's right or not.  I as a ROLEplayer might have a very good idea that there are bandits around the next corner ready to jump me but my character doesn't so he's going to walk merrily into them unprepared and he'll deal with them as best he can after the fact.  It makes for good story and is more realistic.  An Ogre bard character??  Bring it on because he has to have one very interesting story to tell!!</p><p>ROLLplayers on the other hand are also not causal but worry more about the numbers.  Min/Max my class.  Throw out anything that's not needed and max out the things that are.  Make your character a killing machine that can dish out the most damage the fastest and/or take and mitigate the most damage in a fight.  As a ROLLplayer I know there's bandits around the next corner and I'm going in charging with swords drawn and spells popping.  We know they're there, why not be ready for them?  An Ogre bard character??  Why on earth would anyone play that race/class combo?  The class doesn't bennifit from any of the Ogre's stats or abilities.</p><p>It's just two very different ways of playing the same game.  One focuses on the story of the game, the other on the numbers of the game.  Neither view is wrong really.  Just a matter of personal perference and views.  I have noticed that people who create roleplaying games though tend to be ROLEplayers, which is probably why you see more EQ2 staff playing on the RP server.</p></blockquote><p>That may very well be true about RP players just stressing over different details of the game. The casual link to RP'ers comes from less interest in the numbers/mechanics side of the game I suspect (even if they happen to be hardcore about the RP side). With less interest in the non-RP parts of the game the playstyle in group/raid content would tend to be in line with the performance of casual non-RP players and I suspect both groups would have more in common in terms of game content.</p>

Talathion
11-13-2011, 11:58 PM
<p>Shouldn't this be in non-gameplay discussion?</p>

Frenzywolf
11-14-2011, 12:00 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Shouldn't this be in non-gameplay discussion?</p></blockquote><p>Where in heavens name do you get the idea this is not concidered discussion of gameplay? RP vs non-RP is still gameplay! AB is a RP server! Geesh!</p>

Talathion
11-14-2011, 01:49 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Shouldn't this be in non-gameplay discussion?</p></blockquote><p>Where in heavens name do you get the idea this is not concidered discussion of gameplay? RP vs non-RP is still gameplay! AB is a RP server! Geesh!</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffffff;">Game play = Game play.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;">here, let me get you a description.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;"></span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;"><span style="color: #333333; font-family: verdana; text-align: left; font-size: small; cursor: default;">game is an</span><span style="color: #333333; font-family: verdana; font-size: small;"> </span><span style="color: #333333; font-family: verdana; text-align: left; font-size: small; cursor: default;">amusement</span><span style="color: #333333; font-family: verdana; text-align: left; font-size: small;"> </span><span style="color: #333333; font-family: verdana; text-align: left; font-size: small;">or</span><span style="color: #333333; font-family: verdana; text-align: left; font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-family: verdana; text-align: left; font-size: small; color: #0055bb; cursor: pointer;">pastime</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;">play is an <span style="color: #333333; font-family: verdana; text-align: left; font-size: small; cursor: default;">exercise</span><span style="color: #333333; font-family: verdana; font-size: small;"> </span><span style="color: #333333; font-family: verdana; text-align: left; font-size: small; cursor: default;">or</span><span style="color: #333333; font-family: verdana; text-align: left; font-size: small;"> </span><span style="color: #333333; font-family: verdana; text-align: left; font-size: small; cursor: default;">activity</span><span style="color: #333333; font-family: verdana; text-align: left; font-size: small;"> </span><span style="color: #333333; font-family: verdana; text-align: left; font-size: small; cursor: default;">for</span><span style="color: #333333; font-family: verdana; text-align: left; font-size: small;"> </span><span style="color: #333333; font-family: verdana; text-align: left; font-size: small; cursor: default;">amusement</span><span style="color: #333333; font-family: verdana; text-align: left; font-size: small;"> </span><span style="color: #333333; font-family: verdana; text-align: left; font-size: small;">or</span><span style="color: #333333; font-family: verdana; text-align: left; font-size: small;"> </span><span style="color: #333333; font-family: verdana; text-align: left; font-size: small; cursor: default;">recreation.</span></span></p><p><span style="display: inline; font-style: italic; font-family: Georgia, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: #333333; text-align: left; font-size: small;"><span style="cursor: default;"><span style="color: #ffffff;">This is why it should be in non-gameplay, because a server tag does not equal game or play, or gameplay rather.</span></span></span></p>

Frenzywolf
11-14-2011, 02:30 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Shouldn't this be in non-gameplay discussion?</p></blockquote><p>Where in heavens name do you get the idea this is not concidered discussion of gameplay? RP vs non-RP is still gameplay! AB is a RP server! Geesh!</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffffff;">Game play = Game play.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;">here, let me get you a description.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;"></span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;"><span style="text-align: left; font-size: small; cursor: default; font-family: verdana; color: #333333;">game is an</span><span style="font-size: small; font-family: verdana; color: #333333;"> </span><span style="text-align: left; font-size: small; cursor: default; font-family: verdana; color: #333333;">amusement</span><span style="text-align: left; font-size: small; font-family: verdana; color: #333333;"> </span><span style="text-align: left; font-size: small; font-family: verdana; color: #333333;">or</span><span style="text-align: left; font-size: small; font-family: verdana; color: #333333;"> </span><span style="text-align: left; font-size: small; cursor: pointer; font-family: verdana; color: #0055bb;">pastime</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;">play is an <span style="text-align: left; font-size: small; cursor: default; font-family: verdana; color: #333333;">exercise</span><span style="font-size: small; font-family: verdana; color: #333333;"> </span><span style="text-align: left; font-size: small; cursor: default; font-family: verdana; color: #333333;">or</span><span style="text-align: left; font-size: small; font-family: verdana; color: #333333;"> </span><span style="text-align: left; font-size: small; cursor: default; font-family: verdana; color: #333333;">activity</span><span style="text-align: left; font-size: small; font-family: verdana; color: #333333;"> </span><span style="text-align: left; font-size: small; cursor: default; font-family: verdana; color: #333333;">for</span><span style="text-align: left; font-size: small; font-family: verdana; color: #333333;"> </span><span style="text-align: left; font-size: small; cursor: default; font-family: verdana; color: #333333;">amusement</span><span style="text-align: left; font-size: small; font-family: verdana; color: #333333;"> </span><span style="text-align: left; font-size: small; font-family: verdana; color: #333333;">or</span><span style="text-align: left; font-size: small; font-family: verdana; color: #333333;"> </span><span style="text-align: left; font-size: small; cursor: default; font-family: verdana; color: #333333;">recreation.</span></span></p><p><span style="display: inline; font-style: italic; text-align: left; font-size: small; font-family: Georgia,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; color: #333333;"><span style="cursor: default;"><span style="color: #ffffff;">This is why it should be in non-gameplay, because a server tag does not equal game or play, or gameplay rather.</span></span></span></p></blockquote><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" />..... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /> whatever........</p>

MixxitNDance_Live
11-14-2011, 02:31 AM
<p>i don't want to argue over whether or not this is gameplay personally i believe it is and the topic has been covered so we can just let the thread die now</p>