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Kiwigirl
11-10-2011, 03:21 PM
<p>As posted:-</p><h2>Producer’s Letter</h2><div><div><div><img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/logos/EQII/EQII_Logo.png" width="350" /><strong>Producer's Letter</strong> <p>Many of you reading this letter are long-time EverQuest and EverQuest II players. You've been part of the SOE family for a long time (earlier this week was EQII's 7-year anniversary!) and our aim is to take care of you and keep you entertained for years to come.</p><p>Part of caring for our customers is listening to you and hearing what you have to say. Additionally, we need to be aware of changes in the industry, changes in player expectations, and larger economic trends in general.</p><p>We've listened to your concerns about the complexity of the subscription structure, how the separate forums between EQII and EQ2X divide the community unnecessarily, that the Live Gamer servers are under-populated, and that many people want more flexibility with payment options so they can better manage their personal budgets.</p><p>We believe the key to meeting your expectations is to provide more flexibility and to deliver what you want when you want it, whether it's basic game content, full subscription access to the game, or something in-between. So in early December we're going to change things to be "Free to Play. Your Way." Let me explain what that means…</p><h3>Membership and Pricing Changes</h3><p><strong>There will no longer be an up-front fee for downloading and installing the game.</strong> You no longer have to buy the software in order to use it, and game content through the Sentinel's Fate expansion will be available to all players without charge. You simply download, and then launch and play the game for free.</p><p>Last year, we created a successful, but separate, "free to play" service for EQII called "EverQuest II: Extended" (EQ2X). However, now that all servers are becoming free-to-play, we are combining both services together and EverQuest II (including the EQ2X servers) will operate as a single game with a single membership structure.</p><p>The new membership structure for EverQuest II is simpler and easier to understand than the one we used previously, and we've adjusted the model so that Gold members in EverQuest II will get everything that current EQII subscribers do currently.</p><p>Here are the differences between the new EverQuest II membership model and the prior EQ2X membership model:</p><ul><li>Gold membership in EverQuest II will provide access to all races and classes (except the Freeblood race and the Beastlord class) and is identical in all ways to the current subscription status on EQII Live servers.</li><li>The free membership level will be called "Free" instead of "Bronze."</li><li>Silver membership now costs 500 Station Cash instead of 1,000 Station Cash. (If you purchased a Silver membership in EverQuest II: Extended within the 60 days before the launch of this change, 500 Station Cash will be refunded to your Station Wallet.)</li><li>Players can no longer purchase a Platinum membership. Existing Platinum memberships will continue until they expire.</li><li>A matrix showing the details of the three new EverQuest II membership levels – Free, Silver, and Gold – is available here: (insert link)</li></ul><p>So basically, you can play at the Free level (with restrictions), upgrade to Silver to remove a bunch of those restrictions… or sign up for Gold membership and remove *all* of those restrictions, depending on which expansions you have on your account.</p><p>Additionally, Gold memberships are no longer required to recur each month. <strong>We will have non-recurring memberships that you can purchase with Station Cash or real-world currency.</strong> Recurring and non-recurring Gold memberships will be available for 1, 3, 6, and 12-month durations. Recurring memberships are still available for those of us who don't like having to remember to pay each month, and recurring memberships also get the perk of a Station Cash bonus grant each month.</p><p>The aim is to give you as much flexibility as possible, without drowning you in a sea of confusing options. Free, Silver, or Gold at whatever duration and recurring state that you desire. It's up to you to play EQII <em>your</em> way.</p><h3>How Does this Affect Me?</h3><p>For EverQuest II players, at the end of the day all we're basically doing is making your subscription optional. For EQ2X players, we're simplifying the membership model and adding benefits to the Gold membership. That's about it.</p><p><strong>If you're an existing EQII subscriber</strong> and you keep your subscription active then the change will be in name only. We will simply call you a "Gold" member instead of a subscriber.</p><blockquote>The conversion will be seamless; at launch, your current subscription status will roll over directly to an equivalent recurring Gold membership. The cost is the same, and all your benefits are exactly the same, including veteran status. There is no difference in service and you don't need to do anything unless you desire to change your membership status.</blockquote><p><strong>If you're an existing EQ2X player</strong>, then you will not be affected, except that Gold members will actually get a bonus.</p><blockquote>If you are a <strong>Bronze member</strong>, you will simply be called a <strong>Free member</strong> instead.</blockquote><blockquote><strong>Silver members</strong> will carry on as if nothing had changed.</blockquote><blockquote><strong>Gold memberships</strong> have been improved! They now have access to all races and classes (except the Freeblood race and the Beastlord class). (If you purchased a Race Pack in the 60 days before the launch of this transition, we will refund the Station Cash for that purchase.)</blockquote><blockquote>Platinum membership is going away. If you are an existing <strong>Platinum member</strong>, your Platinum membership will continue until normal expiration with all of the original benefits. That membership is currently set to recur, so if you don't change it, you will stay a Platinum member and continue to get those benefits. However, if you drop Platinum membership, you'll be unable to re-subscribe to it. You'd have to rejoin at a Gold membership level for continued full access to the Game.</blockquote><h3>How Does this Change Benefit Me?</h3><p>Some of the changes affect you directly, whereas some of the others are more of a "soft return" that makes your gaming experience better by making the game better as a whole.</p><p>Here's a few of the obvious benefits:</p><ul><li>More population! Our recent launch of free-to-play for DC Universe Online has been extremely successful with tons of new players logging on within the first week (1000 percent increase in concurrents!). With more players, everyone benefits!</li><li>Payment flexibility! You don't want to pay anything at all? We can do that. You want to pay month-by-month? No problem. You want an annual recurring membership because you're going to be playing this game until 2050 and don't want to think about it? We can do that too!</li><li>Better service! By merging EverQuest II: Extended and the original EverQuest II into a single game our messaging will become much easier and we will be able to focus our attention on one game instead of two. </li></ul><h3>What Does this Mean for the Future?</h3><p>Our content delivery plans are unchanged. We're still going to be delivering everything we've promised previously, and a lot more.</p><p>As a reminder, here are a few things we've committed to you previously (and maybe a bit of detail you haven't heard before):</p><ul><li>We're going to create more content for "Destiny of Velious" through 2013. Skyshrine, the Withered Lands, Siren's Grotto, Cobalt Scar, the Western Wastes and more are all being worked on currently and will be released periodically during that time. Velious is a huge continent and we're giving it the justice it deserves. Please note that there is no additional price tag for this content if you own the "Destiny of Velious" expansion; all this content will be open to you when it is released.</li><li>Next summer, we'll be revamping Qeynos as we're doing with Freeport right now. Just as Freeport is being Reborn, we'll be returning the "Greater Good" to Qeynos, making it a much more interesting and vibrant city, pivotal to Norrath once again.</li><li>We intend to revisit old backwaters in Norrath, bringing them back to life with new content and new ways to game in those areas.</li><li>In many cases where we've released features or fixes in the past couple of years, we had contingency "Phase 2" plans for many of those features. We're going to circle back around and implement many of those Phase 2 plans (including much of the feedback we received on those features), improving them and making them even higher quality than they already are.</li><li>Plus a lot, lot more. We'll release more details on those things as we get closer in 2012.</li></ul><p>The EQII dev team is still fired up about this game. We all love what we're doing and we want to make this the best MMORPG in the industry, partly out of desire to deliver great entertainment, and partly out of pure pride of craft.</p><p>We're also looking into mechanisms that allow you, the players, to help guide us on what gets developed in the future. Look for more on that soon. In the meantime, a great way to provide feedback is through the forums, as well as through Facebook and Twitter. We'll also be covering topics you surface in our livecasts so be sure to tune in.</p><h3>What about "Power Items" in the Marketplace?</h3><p>EQ2X currently has a list of items that are not available on the regular server marketplaces. These include:</p><ul><li>Power potion</li><li>Health potion</li><li>Self-rez scroll</li><li>Wand of Obliteration</li><li>Rune of Devastation</li><li>Mastercrafted Equipment (all)</li><li>Tradeskill Components</li></ul><p><strong>These items will no longer be offered on the marketplace when this revamp occurs.</strong></p><p>We may reintroduce some of these items again later-on, but we intend to do some in-game polling of players about how we might bring them back before we do it. You will get a chance to chime in and we'll incorporate the results accordingly.</p><h3>What about Live Gamer?</h3><p>The Live Gamer ("Exchange") servers were set up to allow players to sell items, coin and even characters to each other for real-world profit. Those servers were walled off from other servers and over time, their popularity has waned to the point where their populations are currently very small.</p><p>We're going to liberate those players and characters by turning off the Live Gamer service, and merging the existing Exchange populations into other servers already in existence.</p><p>In mid-December, we'll merge Vox with Nagafen (where they can continue to play in their chosen PvP style), and then merging The Bazaar with Freeport. There are more steps than that involved, of course:</p><ul><li>We'll shut off the ability to post new sales in mid-November.</li><li>The auction service itself will be discontinued in early December.</li><li>The server merges will happen about a week after the auction service is shut off, with Vox first, and then The Bazaar a couple days later. This will occur in mid-December.</li></ul><p>If you don't have the time or inclination to log onto an Exchange server to take your sales down, we'll auto-return the items to you at the time that we shut down the auction service in early December.</p><h3>What? You're Still Reading? Okay… A Summary!</h3><p>All of this (and more) is planned to happen on the same day in early December (we'll announce the exact date as we get closer):</p><ul><li>"Age of Discovery" expansion launch (pre-order available now!).</li><li>GU 62 -"Freeport Reborn" launch, free to all players!</li><li>Free-to-play conversion.</li><li>A brand new website with an all new players section!</li><li>And more. Yes, there's still more that needs to firm up before being announced!</li></ul><p>When all is said and done, there will only be two types of servers, PvE and PvP. You'll have complete flexibility on payment options. There will no longer be a mandatory up-front cost of any sort.</p><p>Everyone will be a winner.</p><p>Today, we'll be doing a Community Webcast covering all of this. Please be sure to send in any questions you might have via the Facebook page or Twitter so we can respond with answers during the Webcast!</p><p>You're going to love Age of Discovery, and Freeport is fantastic. Now that everything else is so incredibly flexible as well, there's a ton to love about EQII. We're looking forward to a great future with you!</p></div></div></div>

Brigh
11-10-2011, 03:24 PM
<a href="http://everquest2.com/news/read/current/5026" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://everquest2.com/news/read/current/5026</a> pre-order today.

Shaolin Sam
11-10-2011, 03:28 PM
<p>This is absolutely terrible news! <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Brigh
11-10-2011, 03:31 PM
<p>A matrix showing the details of the three new EverQuest II membership levels – Free, Silver, and Gold – is available here: <span style="color: #ff0000;">(insert link)</span></p><p>someone forgot to insert a link</p><p><p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is absolutely terrible news!</p></blockquote></p><p>How is offering content up to SF for free terrible news?</p><p>Eve Online gives FREE expansions every year and only charges what...$15...or was it $30 to buy the game, then ~$15/month sub or if you can make enough in-game ISK cash, "Free to Play" that way (someone else buys your sub).</p>

Mepps
11-10-2011, 03:33 PM
<p><cite>Brigh wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>A matrix showing the details of the three new EverQuest II membership levels – Free, Silver, and Gold – is available here: <span style="color: #ff0000;">(insert link)</span></p><p>someone forgot to insert a link</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://everquest2.com/free_to_play/game_overview">http://everquest2.com/free_to_play/game_overview</a></p><p>Here you go. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

thesiren
11-10-2011, 03:33 PM
<p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is absolutely terrible news! <img src="../images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>No it's not, it's great news!  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Look, no one is taking away anyone's right to sub.   They're just adding choices that bring in additional types of players (like those who play multiple MMOs or those who, with families and jobs, can't always justify a full sub every month-- but can justify occasional cash shop purchases) to help fill up our servers.</p><p>Smedley already mentioned on his Twitter page about a TV and internet ad campaign.  Let's hope that includes us-- right in time for AoD and Frostfell, we can really crank with this!</p><p>I can hardly imagine Nagafen and Unrest teeming with life again, like Nagafen was when it launched in early '06, and like R.I.P. Lavastorm on launch day.  I'm thrilled.  So many in my family and old guilds have long left....it will be great to be able to bring them back with such a terrific offer, and the new expansion/holidays too!</p>

Shaolin Sam
11-10-2011, 03:35 PM
<h3>Digital Collector's Edition</h3> <p>The <strong>Digitial Collector's Edition is a Station Exclusive and is specially priced at $59.99 for pre-order only.</strong> This version includes the base game, all seven expansions, a Cloak of the Truespirit, Dungeon Maker Unique Monster Spawner #1, Dungeon Maker Unique Monster Spawner #2, Armored Flying Pegasus Mount, Unique Beastlord Warder Pet, Lavastorm Prestige Home, Custom Dungeon Maker Map Layout, and a Robe of the True Spirit. New accounts will also receive a free 30-day subscription.</p> <p>Please note that after the pre-order period ends, the price of the <strong>Digital Collector's Edition will increase to $89.99.</strong></p> <img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/spacers/flourish1_light.png" /> <h3>Standard Digital Edition</h3> <p>The Standard Digitial Edition includes the base game, all seven expansions, a Cloak of the Truespirit, and a Dungeon Maker Unique Monster Spawner #1. New accounts will also receive a free 30-day subscription. <strong>The cost for the Standard Digital Edition is $39.99.</strong></p><p>Is the above accurate? You guys are seriously charging $39.99, $59.99 or $89.99 for the various releases of AoD considering how little is actually "in" that "expansion"? Not a troll attempt. I'm just honestly confused at the pricing schema. I honestly assumed, with what is actually in AoD, that it would cost closer to what the other DLC packs like Splitpaw and the Mara thing cost which was more like $9.99.</p><p>Again... not trolling... just seriously confused and looking for answers to if the above pricing is "for real" or just "pricing atm and is being considered to be changed".</p>

Shaolin Sam
11-10-2011, 03:37 PM
<p><cite>thesiren wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is absolutely terrible news! <img src="../images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>No it's not, it's great news!  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Look, no one is taking away anyone's right to sub.   They're just adding choices that bring in additional types of players (like those who play multiple MMOs or those who, with families and jobs, can't always justify a full sub every month-- but can justify occasional cash shop purchases) to help fill up our servers.</p><p>Smedley already mentioned on his Twitter page about a TV and internet ad campaign.  Let's hope that includes us-- right in time for AoD and Frostfell, we can really crank with this!</p><p>I can hardly imagine Nagafen and Unrest teeming with life again, like Nagafen was when it launched in early '06, and like R.I.P. Lavastorm on launch day.  I'm thrilled.  So many in my family and old guilds have long left....it will be great to be able to bring them back with such a terrific offer, and the new expansion/holidays too!</p></blockquote><p>You don't know what F2P does to a game. There's not a single F2P game on the market that's successful atm. People play them for kicks then just delete them. Heck. I started downloading DCUO just to try it out when it went F2P but after reading the restrictions just plain stopped and deleted it. F2P games are basically a gaming company's way of saying "We're losing money fast and are trying REALLY hard to stay afloat so we're going to change the pricing and hope to god we make money up on the back end." <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Nolrog
11-10-2011, 03:37 PM
<p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Again... not trolling... just seriously confused and looking for answers to if the above pricing is "for real" or just "pricing atm and is being considered to be changed".</blockquote><p>I'd say you got the wrong thread.</p>

Nolrog
11-10-2011, 03:41 PM
<p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>You don't know what F2P does to a game. There's not a single F2P game on the market that's successful atm.</blockquote><p>If that's the case then why is every company moving to the F2P.  Freeport also seemed to always have a lot of people running around.  That would seem to be contrary to your argument about the lack of successs of F2P.</p>

Ahlana
11-10-2011, 03:42 PM
<cite>thesiren wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is absolutely terrible news! <img src="../images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p> </p><p>No it's not, it's great news!  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Look, no one is taking away anyone's right to sub.   They're just adding choices that bring in additional types of players (like those who play multiple MMOs or those who, with families and jobs, can't always justify a full sub every month-- but can justify occasional cash shop purchases) to help fill up our servers.</p><p>Smedley already mentioned on his Twitter page about a TV and internet ad campaign.  Let's hope that includes us-- right in time for AoD and Frostfell, we can really crank with this!</p><p>I can hardly imagine Nagafen and Unrest teeming with life again, like Nagafen was when it launched in early '06, and like R.I.P. Lavastorm on launch day.  I'm thrilled.  So many in my family and old guilds have long left....it will be great to be able to bring them back with such a terrific offer, and the new expansion/holidays too!</p></blockquote> They are doing away with the extra marketplace items so I see no problem /shrug Vox.. welcome to Naggy (I assume that is who you will get merged with)

Shaolin Sam
11-10-2011, 03:43 PM
<p>No need to believe what I'm typing. Watch what happens to this game come December when this goes live to see for yourselves and then remember what I said.</p><p>As for every game going F2P, that's not actually entirely accurate. It's generally only the really bad games that go F2P with the "a la carte" system and most people don't play those games seriously because they don't want to be nickle and dimed all the time.</p><p>Leave the game the way it is. Gawd.</p>

RadarX
11-10-2011, 03:46 PM
<p>Let's keep feedback constructive please folks.  We very much want your opinions and concerns, but within our forum guidelines.  Thanks!</p>

RadarX
11-10-2011, 03:47 PM
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NardacMM
11-10-2011, 03:47 PM
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000; font-size: medium;">GREAT NEWS!!</span></strong></p><p>Finding a group has been SO DIFFICULT lately even on AB.  Bring in the new players.. I don't care if they paid for some of their gear on the F2P servers since we're coming into a new expansion anyway.</p>

Rocc
11-10-2011, 03:48 PM
<p>I refuse to pay that much for so little.</p>

Tinkr
11-10-2011, 03:48 PM
<p>I read the article about EQIIX being merged with EQII Live, and I can see both pros and cons with that. Lots more spam in chat, lol.</p><p>Anyway, my question is about All Access Subscribers, it says that all current EQ2 Live subscribers will be renamed "Gold Subscribers", and everything else will remain the same for them. Will All Access Subscribers have a "Gold" membership with the added benefits of all access such as more character slots?</p><p>Just curious...</p>

CoLD MeTaL
11-10-2011, 03:48 PM
<p>No one can seriously be surprised by this move.  This is what Smokeblower was hired for after all.</p><p>Now can we xfer to freeport for $25/char?</p><p>8 year vet reward should have been 1 free char move token per character.</p>

Kenazeer
11-10-2011, 03:49 PM
<p>My constructive feedback is that I saw this coming from a mile away and one of my three subs was not renewed long ago, one was canceled just a bit ago and ran out yesterday, and this one is canceled and runs out the 17th (I think, but since it wasn't really important at that point I didn't care to pay that much attention).</p><p>So long EQ2, it was nice to know you while you were still a pretty lady.</p>

Melanchol
11-10-2011, 03:49 PM
8 year vet reward should have been some... nevermind i best not

Kenazeer
11-10-2011, 03:50 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>8 year vet reward should have been some... nevermind i best not</blockquote><p>Those things the English wear on their feet. Double entendre for the win....or is that a triple...lol.</p>

Nolrog
11-10-2011, 03:51 PM
<p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>As for every game going F2P, that's not actually entirely accurate.</blockquote><p>The Old Republic (and possibly Copernicus) are thought to be the last of the subscription based games.  Companies all over are embracing F2P for a reason.  If it was as bad as you say, then that model would have died already.  Since it has not, and it's just increasing, then that would be some evidence (anecdotal, I'll admit) against that.</p><p>Plus, I'm sure they have plenty of data to predict how well this would be received financially (from their own games (DCUO, FR and also EQ2X) as well as the industry as a whole on what the projected revenue per subscriber would be.  It's not the doom and gloom end of the world scenarion you seem to think it is.</p>

Lantis
11-10-2011, 03:52 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong><span style="font-size: medium; color: #ff0000;">GREAT NEWS!!</span></strong></p><p>Finding a group has been SO DIFFICULT lately even on AB.  Bring in the new players.. I don't care if they paid for some of their gear on the F2P servers since we're coming into a new expansion anyway.</p></blockquote><p>Except it won't help you get a PUG in DoV, since free players won't have access to it.</p><p>It will probably help finding a PUG in the lower levels however, since those levels are pretty empty as everyone playing this game is finding himself rushing to 90 because the real fun is with the current expansion, not the older content.</p>

Mascouti
11-10-2011, 03:53 PM
<p>Have had an active account since 99, time to move on as well. Seriously though, 40 bucks for ??? makes no sense.</p>

d1anaw
11-10-2011, 03:53 PM
<p><cite>thesiren wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is absolutely terrible news! <img src="../images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>No it's not, it's great news!  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Look, no one is taking away anyone's right to sub.   They're just adding choices that bring in additional types of players (like those who play multiple MMOs or those who, with families and jobs, can't always justify a full sub every month-- but can justify occasional cash shop purchases) to help fill up our servers.</p><p>Smedley already mentioned on his Twitter page about a TV and internet ad campaign.  Let's hope that includes us-- right in time for AoD and Frostfell, we can really crank with this!</p><p>I can hardly imagine Nagafen and Unrest teeming with life again, like Nagafen was when it launched in early '06, and like R.I.P. Lavastorm on launch day.  I'm thrilled.  So many in my family and old guilds have long left....it will be great to be able to bring them back with such a terrific offer, and the new expansion/holidays too!</p></blockquote><p>I don't think it's going to impact me in one way or another. And what is wrong with giving a choice to those who want it? If it doesn't directly impact you personally, why care if someone else wants a choice. I don't think it's terrible news at all. I don't get why so many here are so resistant to change. Is it the endearing need to control what others do and have access to, what is it? If you choose not to change anything, you don't have to. If you want to, you can. Why is that terrible?</p>

Kenazeer
11-10-2011, 03:54 PM
<p><strong>From here:</strong></p><p><a href="http://everquest2.com/news/read/current/5026">http://everquest2.com/news/read/current/5026</a></p><p><strong>AA Limit Increase</strong></p><ul><li>The AA limit will be increased above the current limit of 300.</li></ul><p>HEHE HAHA HOHO HEHE HAHA</p><p>AFter all this time and they <strong>STILL</strong> can't tell us the details? What the heck? How many? In what trees? These details might be kind of important if you asking us to shell out $40.</p>

Melanchol
11-10-2011, 03:55 PM
<p><cite>Nolrog wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>As for every game going F2P, that's not actually entirely accurate.</blockquote><p>The Old Republic (and possibly Copernicus) are thought to be the last of the subscription based games.  Companies all over are embracing F2P for a reason.  If it was as bad as you say, then that model would have died already.  Since it has not, and it's just increasing, then that would be some evidence (anecdotal, I'll admit) against that.</p><p>Plus, I'm sure they have plenty of data to predict how well this would be received financially (from their own games (DCUO, FR and also EQ2X) as well as the industry as a whole on what the projected revenue per subscriber would be.  It's not the doom and gloom end of the world scenarion you seem to think it is.</p></blockquote><p>You know what this is?</p><p>This isn't "make the game better"</p><p>this is "blood from a turnip" and SoE is going to bleed every last one of you dry to your personal threshhold before you move on to greener pastures as well.</p>

Rainmare
11-10-2011, 03:55 PM
<p>While I am not pleased...at the very least they are taking away the 'special' bought goodies from Freeport. no insta kill wands, no health/power potions, no buying all the mastercrafted stuff for SC, ect. sounds like they are just adding silver and free plans to live, and stripping freeport marketplace of anything we don't already have on live. we'll see how it goes.</p>

Lantis
11-10-2011, 03:55 PM
<p><cite>Nolrog wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>As for every game going F2P, that's not actually entirely accurate.</blockquote><p>The Old Republic (and possibly Copernicus) are thought to be the last of the subscription based games.  Companies all over are embracing F2P for a reason.  If it was as bad as you say, then that model would have died already.  Since it has not, and it's just increasing, then that would be some evidence (anecdotal, I'll admit) against that.</p><p>Plus, I'm sure they have plenty of data to predict how well this would be received financially (from their own games (DCUO, FR and also EQ2X) as well as the industry as a whole on what the projected revenue per subscriber would be.  It's not the doom and gloom end of the world scenarion you seem to think it is.</p></blockquote><p>Personally, I wonder if the current F2P-or-nothing thing isn't just a trend that will eventually die.  Because once too many F2P are out, competition becomes more difficult since you will have a certain userbase who won't feel attached to a specific game, and will change from one F2P to another F2P game every month or so.  And being less attached means they will be less enclined to spend money on add-ons.  Bottom line, the income will start to dry out for F2P games, and they will need to find a new way to keep people attached to THEIR game, and paying.</p><p>Personally, I think there's room in this market for both hardcore, subscription-based games, and for F2P games.  Two different crowd, and both will keep existing in parallel for the forseable future IMHO.</p>

Kenazeer
11-10-2011, 03:55 PM
<p><cite>Nolrog wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>As for every game going F2P, that's not actually entirely accurate.</blockquote><p>The Old Republic (and possibly Copernicus) are thought to be the last of the subscription based games.  Companies all over are embracing F2P for a reason.  If it was as bad as you say, then that model would have died already.  Since it has not, and it's just increasing, then that would be some evidence (anecdotal, I'll admit) against that.</p><p>Plus, I'm sure they have plenty of data to predict how well this would be received financially (from their own games (DCUO, FR and also EQ2X) as well as the industry as a whole on what the projected revenue per subscriber would be.  It's not the doom and gloom end of the world scenarion you seem to think it is.</p></blockquote><p>The beast that is the WoW developers beg to disagree that F2P is the future. They might have their fingers of the pulse of the game world a tad moreso than some companies who have repeatedly, time and again, failed to develop and deliver new MMOs.</p>

Shaolin Sam
11-10-2011, 03:55 PM
<p><cite>Mascouti wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Have had an active account since 99, time to move on as well. Seriously though, 40 bucks for ??? makes no sense.</p></blockquote><p>Same. I cancelled most of my accounts a few months ago over SJ's decisions. I'll be cancelling the last one probably when SWTOR goes live.</p><p>It was a fun run, EQ2. Just sorry that certain peopl ruined this game for others <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Shaolin Sam
11-10-2011, 03:57 PM
<p><cite>Kenazeer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Nolrog wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>As for every game going F2P, that's not actually entirely accurate.</blockquote><p>The Old Republic (and possibly Copernicus) are thought to be the last of the subscription based games.  Companies all over are embracing F2P for a reason.  If it was as bad as you say, then that model would have died already.  Since it has not, and it's just increasing, then that would be some evidence (anecdotal, I'll admit) against that.</p><p>Plus, I'm sure they have plenty of data to predict how well this would be received financially (from their own games (DCUO, FR and also EQ2X) as well as the industry as a whole on what the projected revenue per subscriber would be.  It's not the doom and gloom end of the world scenarion you seem to think it is.</p></blockquote><p>The beast that is the WoW developers beg to disagree that F2P is the future. They might have their fingers of the pulse of the game world a tad moreso than some companies who have repeatedly, time and again, failed to develop and deliver new MMOs.</p></blockquote><p>Ya... 20 million active WoW subs can't really be wrong imo <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

d1anaw
11-10-2011, 03:57 PM
<p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No need to believe what I'm typing. Watch what happens to this game come December when this goes live to see for yourselves and then remember what I said.</p><p>As for every game going F2P, that's not actually entirely accurate. It's generally only the really bad games that go F2P with the "a la carte" system and most people don't play those games seriously because they don't want to be nickle and dimed all the time.</p><p>Leave the game the way it is. Gawd.</p></blockquote><p>You still have that option. What you apparently want is the right to control how others play. The typical my way is the only way. YOU can still keep things the way they are. That's called choice.</p>

Lantis
11-10-2011, 03:58 PM
<p><cite>Kenazeer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong>From here:</strong></p><p><a href="http://everquest2.com/news/read/current/5026">http://everquest2.com/news/read/current/5026</a></p><p><strong>AA Limit Increase</strong></p><ul><li>The AA limit will be increased above the current limit of 300.</li></ul><p>HEHE HAHA HOHO HEHE HAHA</p><p>AFter all this time and they <strong>STILL</strong> can't tell us the details? What the heck? How many? In what trees? These details might be kind of important if you asking us to shell out $40.</p></blockquote><p>Last expansion, we didn't no the detail until only a day or two before launch.  I hated it, and I thought it was poor marketing then.  MArketing involves generating hype for your product.  Last year, their excuse was they didn'T want their marketing efforts to be drowned in Blizzard's own marketing blitz for their new expansion.  I don't think that excuse applies now (neither was it valid back then IMHO).</p><p>I knew more about Skyrim four months ago that I know about EQ2's new expansion right now.  And I knew more about Rift durings its beta as well.</p>

Melanchol
11-10-2011, 03:58 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>While I am not pleased...at the very least they are taking away the 'special' bought goodies from Freeport. no insta kill wands, no health/power potions, no buying all the mastercrafted stuff for SC, ect. sounds like they are just adding silver and free plans to live, and stripping freeport marketplace of anything we don't already have on live. we'll see how it goes.</p></blockquote><p>you need to reread it.</p><p>They are TEMPORARILLY removing them.</p><p>they VERY CLEARLY state they intend to add them right back in as soon as they can "hold player-wide  poll" to work around it.</p>

BriarHaven
11-10-2011, 03:59 PM
<p>I would love to see multi - month discounts like we see now for subscriptions.Further, for Gold subscriptions 150 -  200 SC cash would be a suggestion, extra enhancement for going this route.</p>

Nolrog
11-10-2011, 04:01 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You know what this is?</p><p>This isn't "make the game better"</p></blockquote><p>If it repopulates the lower end of the game, so there's someone to group with as I pass thru there, then, IMO, it makes the game better. </p><p>I don't think the annoucement makes it worse. </p>

Finora
11-10-2011, 04:01 PM
<p>As long as I don't end up paying more than I already have been to play, I'm okay with this. Perhaps some of my longtime guildmates & friends will come back at least to visit now and then.</p><p>My big question is how are the various pricing tier restrictions going to be applied to existing accounts? Are people who opt to go free after the change going to get locked out of their fae/kerran & other locked race/classes characters?</p><p>OR are they going to do it ala LOTRO and have people who have been paying the regular sub on the non-X servers have the classes/slots etc unlocked?</p>

d1anaw
11-10-2011, 04:01 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Nolrog wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>As for every game going F2P, that's not actually entirely accurate.</blockquote><p>The Old Republic (and possibly Copernicus) are thought to be the last of the subscription based games.  Companies all over are embracing F2P for a reason.  If it was as bad as you say, then that model would have died already.  Since it has not, and it's just increasing, then that would be some evidence (anecdotal, I'll admit) against that.</p><p>Plus, I'm sure they have plenty of data to predict how well this would be received financially (from their own games (DCUO, FR and also EQ2X) as well as the industry as a whole on what the projected revenue per subscriber would be.  It's not the doom and gloom end of the world scenarion you seem to think it is.</p></blockquote><p>Personally, I wonder if the current F2P-or-nothing thing isn't just a trend that will eventually die.  Because once too many F2P are out, competition becomes more difficult since you will have a certain userbase who won't feel attached to a specific game, and will change from one F2P to another F2P game every month or so.  And being less attached means they will be less enclined to spend money on add-ons.  Bottom line, the income will start to dry out for F2P games, and they will need to find a new way to keep people attached to THEIR game, and paying.</p><p>Personally, I think there's room in this market for both hardcore, subscription-based games, and for F2P games.  Two different crowd, and both will keep existing in parallel for the forseable future IMHO.</p></blockquote><p>There is always room for choice, except in the minds of some. Typical chicken little mentality, likely from the same people who keep complaining and threatening to quit every time an announcement is made and somehow can never find the strength to just quit already.</p>

thesiren
11-10-2011, 04:02 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong><span style="font-size: medium; color: #ff0000;">GREAT NEWS!!</span></strong></p><p>Finding a group has been SO DIFFICULT lately even on AB.  Bring in the new players.. I don't care if they paid for some of their gear on the F2P servers since we're coming into a new expansion anyway.</p></blockquote><p>Except it won't help you get a PUG in DoV, since free players won't have access to it.</p><p>It will probably help finding a PUG in the lower levels however, since those levels are pretty empty as everyone playing this game is finding himself rushing to 90 because the real fun is with the current expansion, not the older content.</p></blockquote><p>Okay, new players certainly don't start at 90, but leveling (especially as a silver with 50/50 AA slider locked in place) is pretty quick, and believe me, the silver plan practically strangle-holds people who stick around til 90 into subbing, period.  Which is perfectly fine, because by then, the new players have fallen in love with the game, and SOE is getting paid as they should.  Heck, even just going silver to buy off the broker and use world chat costs $10 up front, and by the way the broker on Freeport and the world chats have been overrun since launch, people seem to see that EQ2 is well worth paying for even early on.</p><p>And even by the time of the Druid Ring Event (which Freeport finished up about the same time AB did), Great Divide had 5-6 instances going off-peak when I was playing through it.  So even by then, on a brand-new server, there were plenty of 90s already running around, who had all obviously purchased DoV as well.</p><p>Massively.com just had an article up yesterday concerning F2P spending in the USA, and how it has risen in 2011 to a 47% market share.  It is set to overtake P2P sub spending in the US by the end of this year.  Gamers spent $ 1.2 billion in F2P online games this year.  F2P isn't going anywhere, and regarding EQ2 specifically, Freeport (even by Smokejumper's admission) has the highest population of any EQ2 server on either service, and it obviously is a great success or this wouldn't be happening.</p><p>All the other devs that have made the time-consuming move to F2P did it to increase their income, and most are recording double and triple profits.  SOE has plenty of experience with F2P already under their belts.  They know what they're doing:  Let's let them do it.</p><p>And, last but certainly not least, Extended gold subbers are FINALLY getting the vet rewards that they have deserved since Freeport launched, they no longer have to pay for races, and they are FINALLY getting multi-month sub discounts just like live.  And Extended players will finally be part of the fold in taking part in dev discussions, testing and the like.</p><p>Even the live whiners that complained about certain pots/wands in the SC shop are getting their way.  They're being taken out. </p><p>And even Turbine said (I think at PAX East this past year) for other devs not to worry about those who threaten to quit, because the number that actually do actually quit is quite tiny (was it 2%?).</p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;">I'm so thrilled.  And with the previous mention of PvP getting re-worked (we don't know exactly how yet), I have nothing but hope for EQ2, fine lady that she STILL IS THANK YOU VERY MUCH.  Lol.  (Why do peeps suddenly call EQ2 "going downhill" when obviously they've still got subs going at this moment, and the game hasn't changed any....and it's the same exact game they've paid for all this time?  Lol.)</span></p>

Jrel
11-10-2011, 04:06 PM
<p>F2P is a great move!</p><p>Suggestions:</p><p>Free Membership needs to have 4 character slots. One of that things that ticked me off about DCUO F2P was the 2-slot limitation. I wanted to try out different types of characters and fighting style and power combinations, but I have to delete one of the slots to try another.  It's really really really annoying, and is a hugely negative part of my consideration to even upgrade to a higher membership to play DCUO (the mouselook restriction is the other half of that huge negative, but that's another thread).</p><p>Silver membership needs to have more races available.</p><p>Coin limitations for Free and Silver need to be bumped.  Have you checked out prices for some of the low-level gear lately on servers? Especially on the servers where inflation and price controllers dwell (On Butcherblock, some of the T9 rares have gone up to 9-16p each. Some adept spells level 70-79 are now costing 4-10p).  Also, there should be nothing wrong with Free and Silver players being able to buy mastercrafted gear from the broker. It will let them feel more powerful and provide survivability.</p><p>Free players should be able to talk in their appropriate level chat.  They can't learn anything if they aren't able to ask. (For example, shouting in a zone for help in DCUO is ridiculous, but it's what you have to do if you're a newbie).</p><p>Free players, let them have shared bank slots, even 1, sheesh.  It should be Free, 2, Silver 4.</p><p>Also, I'm not sure if our login servers can handle the huge rush that DCUO had, but you better be ready just in case.</p>

EQ2Playa432
11-10-2011, 04:06 PM
<p>What is going to happen to those of us that have both Live and Extended characters? Are we going to be losing access to those extra characters unless we pay for slots? Pretty lame if so... Existing characters should be grandfathered in and allowed.</p>

SmokeJumper
11-10-2011, 04:06 PM
<p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You don't know what F2P does to a game. There's not a single F2P game on the market that's successful atm. People play them for kicks then just delete them. Heck. I started downloading DCUO just to try it out when it went F2P but after reading the restrictions just plain stopped and deleted it. F2P games are basically a gaming company's way of saying "We're losing money fast and are trying REALLY hard to stay afloat so we're going to change the pricing and hope to god we make money up on the back end." <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Hi there. I have to disagree with a couple things you said:</p><p>1) Free-to-play games are hugely successful. LOTRO is doing well, and EQ2X has thrived. And we're the latecomers to the game. There's tons of F2P offerings around the world and here at home that are doing extremely well.</p><p>2) The perception you have about the quality of F2P games is unfortunate, but it's true that perception is common...currently. Free-to-play is a business model that has nothing to do with the quality of offering. If you think about it objectively, the current "Pay and Hope" model (pay up front and hope the game is good) doesn't guarantee quality. Fully 80% of all game offerings (like most of life) are not quality. F2P is just a different business model, and it's success and popularity is growing each day.</p><p>But that being said, there's only one real change in all of this stuff that we just published.</p><p>That single change is: Subscriptions are now optional. That's it. Everything else is just explanation of detail.</p>

Nolrog
11-10-2011, 04:08 PM
<p><cite>thesiren wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Massively.com just had an article up yesterday concerning F2P spending in the USA, and how it has risen in 2011 to a 47% market share.  It is set to overtake P2P sub spending in the US by the end of this year.  Gamers spent $ 1.2 billion in F2P online games this year.  F2P isn't going anywhere, Freeport (even by Smokejumper's admission) has the highest population of any EQ2 server on either service, and it obviously is a great success.</blockquote><p>Looking for that article now.  But I did come across <a href="http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/11/10/everquest-ii-goes-fully-free-to-play-our-chat-with-dave-georges/">this</a> article about EQ2's F2P.</p>

Onorem
11-10-2011, 04:08 PM
<p>They are finally doing what they should have to start with as far as FTP goes. That said, I just cancelled because I don't trust for a minute that they'll actually keep game-impacting items off the cash shop (since they already sell benefits on live servers, what difference will adding the previous Xtortion only items make...)</p>

Marnus
11-10-2011, 04:09 PM
<p>I currently play on the freeport server(eq2x) and the AB server on live. I have copied several of my characters to eq2x , one of them just this past weekend. Had i known this announcement was going to happen, i wouldnt have spent the sc on the copy token-but more importantly, what will this mean for me when the 2 versions merge? will i have duplicate characters on the same server? Will the ones i have on eq2x be allowed the choice of which server to move to? I think this is a good idea to merge the two game types-one of the reason i copied characters to eq2x was to be able to play with a larger group of people, and not have to solo constantly-but i also dont want to log in on the day this happens and have my live characters be replaced by the extended characters, or vice/versa. Also, once they do merge, will the characters from eq2x get the veteran rewards tied into my eq2live account?</p>

SmokeJumper
11-10-2011, 04:10 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>While I am not pleased...at the very least they are taking away the 'special' bought goodies from Freeport. no insta kill wands, no health/power potions, no buying all the mastercrafted stuff for SC, ect. sounds like they are just adding silver and free plans to live, and stripping freeport marketplace of anything we don't already have on live. we'll see how it goes.</p></blockquote><p>you need to reread it.</p><p>They are TEMPORARILLY removing them.</p><p>they VERY CLEARLY state they intend to add them right back in as soon as they can "hold player-wide  poll" to work around it.</p></blockquote><p>This is correct, except that "intend" is too strong. We're definitely going to do the in-game polls, but then we'll base additions or changes on those poll results. We're not going to guess on power items any longer, and we need a more representative way to get opinions from players, so we're doing the in-game polls to get a true feel for what's desired.</p>

Nolrog
11-10-2011, 04:10 PM
<p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ya... 20 million active WoW subs can't really be wrong imo <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Well, it is wrong.  Inflated to the tune of nearly 10 million (not that 10 million isn't great) but your claim is an exaggeration.</p><p><a href="http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/11/08/activision-blizzard-loses-1-1-million-wow-players-triples-profi/">http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/1...-triples-profi/</a></p>

thesiren
11-10-2011, 04:14 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>F2P is a great move!</p><p>Suggestions:</p><p>Free Membership needs to have 4 character slots. One of that things that ticked me off about DCUO F2P was the 2-slot limitation. I wanted to try out different types of characters and fighting style and power combinations, but I have to delete one of the slots to try another.  It's really really really annoying, and is a hugely negative part of my consideration to even upgrade to a higher membership to play DCUO (the mouselook restriction is the other half of that huge negative, but that's another thread).</p><p>Silver membership needs to have more races available.</p><p>Coin limitations for Free and Silver need to be bumped.  Have you checked out prices for some of the low-level gear lately on servers? Especially on the servers where inflation and price controllers dwell (On Butcherblock, some of the T9 rares have gone up to 9-16p each. Some adept spells level 70-79 are now costing 4-10p).  Also, there should be nothing wrong with Free and Silver players being able to buy mastercrafted gear from the broker. It will let them feel more powerful and provide survivability.</p><p>Free players should be able to talk in their appropriate level chat.  They can't learn anything if they aren't able to ask. (For example, shouting in a zone for help in DCUO is ridiculous, but it's what you have to do if you're a newbie).</p><p>Free players, let them have shared bank slots, even 1, sheesh.  It should be Free, 2, Silver 4.</p><p>Also, I'm not sure if our login servers can handle the huge rush that DCUO had, but you better be ready just in case.</p></blockquote><p>And welcome to EQ2 my dear!</p><p>And I will tell you what we always tell people who want more benefits than "free" and silver provide:  Go Gold!  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Ta da!  All your problems solved.</p><p>And by the way, because apparently you missed it on the Extended forums for lo these past 15 months, lol, but bronze a.k.a. "free" now, is there to keep gold farmers from completely overrunning the server.  Pay the ten bucks for silver, buy extra bag slots/unlockers/etc. and pay for gold for a month once in a while if you want to hold enough plat to buy and scribe masters/fabled etc. at end game. </p><p>I'm not being snarky in the slightest.  I just want SOE to get paid for what they do, because they do deserve that, and you can always buy top-tier fuel and store it in your bank to store your extra plat, etc. at an even exchange rate when you sell it back, and have a guildy buy things for you if you can't do it and are heck-bent on staying silver.</p><p>But lift the plat cap or silver/bronze (okay, free now) restrictions?  No way.</p>

Skywrott
11-10-2011, 04:15 PM
<p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite></cite></p><p>That single change is: Subscriptions are now optional. That's it. Everything else is just explanation of detail.</p></blockquote><p>Ok but will my subscription still be billed normally or will I have to login and purchase it with station cash? </p><p>Also if for some reason I don't pay right away and my account gets reset to "free" or whatever.....does that mean all my legendary/fabled equipment, my bank slots, etc goes poof?  Or just not usable until I resubscribe?</p><p>I've never been involved with a f2p game so just a little confused on the logistics of it all.....</p>

Hamervelder
11-10-2011, 04:15 PM
<p>Wow... some of us called this months ago.  SOE's plan was to make all EQ2 servers F2P, we said.  Lo and behold, here it is.  I'll withhold posting my opinion, since doing so would get me banned here.</p>

Kenazeer
11-10-2011, 04:17 PM
<p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You don't know what F2P does to a game. There's not a single F2P game on the market that's successful atm. People play them for kicks then just delete them. Heck. I started downloading DCUO just to try it out when it went F2P but after reading the restrictions just plain stopped and deleted it. F2P games are basically a gaming company's way of saying "We're losing money fast and are trying REALLY hard to stay afloat so we're going to change the pricing and hope to god we make money up on the back end." <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Hi there. I have to disagree with a couple things you said:</p><p>1) Free-to-play games are hugely successful. LOTRO is doing well, and EQ2X has thrived. And we're the latecomers to the game. There's tons of F2P offerings around the world and here at home that are doing extremely well.</p><p>2) The perception you have about the quality of F2P games is unfortunate, but it's true that perception is common...currently. Free-to-play is a business model that has nothing to do with the quality of offering. If you think about it objectively, the current "Pay and Hope" model (pay up front and hope the game is good) doesn't guarantee quality. Fully 80% of all game offerings (like most of life) are not quality. F2P is just a different business model, and it's success and popularity is growing each day.</p><p>But that being said, there's only one real change in all of this stuff that we just published.</p><p>That single change is: Subscriptions are now optional. That's it. Everything else is just explanation of detail.</p></blockquote><p>This guy knows a thing or two about games....in my estimation.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Morhaime">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Morhaime</a></p><p>And his thoughts are:</p><p>"I think it’s very expensive to make these <a class="kLink" href="#"><span style="position: static; color: #0054a6 !important; font-size: 11px; font-weight: 400;"><span style="position: relative; font-family: Verdana; color: #0054a6 !important; font-size: 11px; font-weight: 400;">games</span></span></a>, especially if you’re expecting people to pay a monthly fee just to <a class="kLink" href="#"><span style="position: static; color: #0054a6 !important; font-size: 11px; font-weight: 400;"><span style="border-bottom: #0054a6 1px solid; position: relative; background-color: transparent; font-family: Verdana; color: #0054a6 !important; font-size: 11px; font-weight: 400;">play </span><span style="border-bottom: #0054a6 1px solid; position: relative; background-color: transparent; font-family: Verdana; color: #0054a6 !important; font-size: 11px; font-weight: 400;">the </span><span style="border-bottom: #0054a6 1px solid; position: relative; background-color: transparent; font-family: Verdana; color: #0054a6 !important; font-size: 11px; font-weight: 400;">game</span></span></a>. And so there are very few companies that can compete at that high level with those types of budgets. Definitely if you’re not charging anybody, they’re going to be a lot more forgiving about the experience they have.”and</p><p>"...paying 15 dollars offers a superior experience that cannot be matched anywhere else."</p><p>and</p><p>“I think that there’s an underlying, a fundamental assumption right now, that the less you charge, the more money you make. Which isn’t true. And it doesn’t necessarily make for a better game.”</p><p>I would be interested in hearing how you think that big budget games can be developed as Free to Play or whether F2P games of any decent quality will always skate on the backs of those who financed them through subs.</p><p>F2P will really only succeed if companies are allowed to turn there backs on those who at first paid the bills in my estimation.</p>

SmokeJumper
11-10-2011, 04:18 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I currently play on the freeport server(eq2x) and the AB server on live. I have copied several of my characters to eq2x , one of them just this past weekend. Had i known this announcement was going to happen, i wouldnt have spent the sc on the copy token-but more importantly, what will this mean for me when the 2 versions merge? will i have duplicate characters on the same server? Will the ones i have on eq2x be allowed the choice of which server to move to? I think this is a good idea to merge the two game types-one of the reason i copied characters to eq2x was to be able to play with a larger group of people, and not have to solo constantly-but i also dont want to log in on the day this happens and have my live characters be replaced by the extended characters, or vice/versa. Also, once they do merge, will the characters from eq2x get the veteran rewards tied into my eq2live account?</p></blockquote><p>Answers:</p><ul><li>As of today, the copy token has been removed from the marketplace. The good news is that the copy you just made will continue to exist on Freeport, so you have that character on AB *and* Freeport now.</li><li>Freeport will still exist after the free-to-play conversion. There's no merge for anyone unless you're currently playing on Vox or The Bazaar (Live Gamer servers).</li><li>Yes, Freeport characters now get veteran rewards, just like everyone else.</li></ul>

SmokeJumper
11-10-2011, 04:20 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite></cite></p><p>That single change is: Subscriptions are now optional. That's it. Everything else is just explanation of detail.</p></blockquote><p>Ok but will my subscription still be billed normally or will I have to login and purchase it with station cash? </p><p>Also if for some reason I don't pay right away and my account gets reset to "free" or whatever.....does that mean all my legendary/fabled equipment, my bank slots, etc goes poof?  Or just not usable until I resubscribe?</p><p>I've never been involved with a f2p game so just a little confused on the logistics of it all.....</p></blockquote><p>You don't need to do a thing!</p><p>If you want your membership to stay on a monthly recurring basis, then no effort on your part is required at all.</p><p>The only people that need to do anything are the ones that want to move to Silver or Free, or change to a *non*-recurring payment schedule.</p><p>Most of us won't need to do anything at all.</p><p>Oh...and as for your "do my items go poof" question: Not at all. If you ever drop from Gold, then the items/races/characters that are restricted at Silver or Free still exist, you just can't use them again until you resubscribe to Gold or use any of the unlock features sold in the marketplace to open up those options again.</p>

Calthine
11-10-2011, 04:21 PM
<p>ZAM's Editor in Chief attended a roundtable on this and brings this info:  <a href="http://eq2.zam.com/story.html?story=28211" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.zam.com/story.html?story=28211</a></p>

Vlahkmaak
11-10-2011, 04:22 PM
<p>Ok, this is all nice and dandie,... now where are the BETA invites... 4 day weekend here folks - I want me some warders<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />.</p>

kaedianeq2
11-10-2011, 04:23 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite></cite></p><p>That single change is: Subscriptions are now optional. That's it. Everything else is just explanation of detail.</p></blockquote><p>Ok but will my subscription still be billed normally or will I have to login and purchase it with station cash? </p><p>Also if for some reason I don't pay right away and my account gets reset to "free" or whatever.....does that mean all my legendary/fabled equipment, my bank slots, etc goes poof?  Or just not usable until I resubscribe?</p><p>I've never been involved with a f2p game so just a little confused on the logistics of it all.....</p></blockquote><p>Subscriptions can be set to recurring (as yours is now) or non-recurring.  Non-recurring subs can be purchased with SC, recurring can not.  recurring subs will come with 500sc each month and both types will be avail in 1, 3, 6 and 12 month options.</p><p>Items can be unlocked via sc unlockers, bank/character slots can as well.  Bank slots and backpacks ... you can move items from the locked slots, but can not move anything into them without renewing the sub.</p>

Calthine
11-10-2011, 04:23 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>you need to reread it.</p><p>They are TEMPORARILLY removing them.</p><p>they VERY CLEARLY state they intend to add them right back in as soon as they can "hold player-wide  poll" to work around it.</p></blockquote><p>No, they say:</p><blockquote>We may reintroduce some of these items again later-on, but we intend to do some in-game polling of players about how we might bring them back before we do it. You will get a chance to chime in and we'll incorporate the results accordingly.</blockquote><p><a href="http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=28242&storypage=2" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.zam.com/story.html?story...amp;storypage=2</a></p>

Cyliena
11-10-2011, 04:24 PM
<p>The FAQ said All Access = Gold, didn't see anything about more char slots though.</p>

naladini
11-10-2011, 04:24 PM
<p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is correct, except that "intend" is too strong. We're definitely going to do the in-game polls, but then we'll base additions or changes on those poll results. We're not going to guess on power items any longer, and we need a more representative way to get opinions from players, so we're doing the in-game polls to get a true feel for what's desired.</p></blockquote><p>You may need to add some weighting to those polls so folks aren't creating a block of Free accounts to join in the voting (I'd imagine the gold farmers are quite against you guys selling items directly).</p><p>Love the announcement, I was really enjoying my time on Freeport, but sad about missing my Vet Awards. Awesome to see things coming back together under one title again. </p>

Labruja
11-10-2011, 04:25 PM
<p>I see no talk of All Access.  Is that to remain the same, or will it also fall by the wayside?</p>

Marnus
11-10-2011, 04:25 PM
<p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I currently play on the freeport server(eq2x) and the AB server on live. I have copied several of my characters to eq2x , one of them just this past weekend. Had i known this announcement was going to happen, i wouldnt have spent the sc on the copy token-but more importantly, what will this mean for me when the 2 versions merge? will i have duplicate characters on the same server? Will the ones i have on eq2x be allowed the choice of which server to move to? I think this is a good idea to merge the two game types-one of the reason i copied characters to eq2x was to be able to play with a larger group of people, and not have to solo constantly-but i also dont want to log in on the day this happens and have my live characters be replaced by the extended characters, or vice/versa. Also, once they do merge, will the characters from eq2x get the veteran rewards tied into my eq2live account?</p></blockquote><p>Answers:</p><ul><li>As of today, the copy token has been removed from the marketplace. The good news is that the copy you just made will continue to exist on Freeport, so you have that character on AB *and* Freeport now.</li><li>Freeport will still exist after the free-to-play conversion. There's no merge for anyone unless you're currently playing on Vox or The Bazaar (Live Gamer servers).</li><li>Yes, Freeport characters now get veteran rewards, just like everyone else.</li></ul></blockquote><p>Thank you for the fast reply, and i am so happy to hear about the eq2x characters finally getting vet rewards<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />-my only other question is, what about character slots? i have, i think, 5 characters on eq2x currently-will i need to make sure i have 5 free character slots on live?</p>

Zehl_Ice-Fire
11-10-2011, 04:25 PM
<p>My wallet is happy as hell. I've made a huge investment with 3 accounts. I don't play much anymore and turn them off & on, and I was going to let them go off anyway for a while (one's paid for a year till Dec or Jan which has kept me around, still doing very little). Not that I have hate, I just need a break, I need to have freedom to do other things and not feel like I'm paying a sub, so I should be getting my money's worth.</p><p>I'm glad because I feel a bit jipped paying a monthly subsription plus $40-$80(CE) for yearly expansions times 3 accounts for a 7 year old game, plus nickel & diming in the game via SC. No subscription game should make subbed players pay MORE for anything. The game should have gone free as soon as SC came in.</p><p>I'm a f2p snob, sure, but my server feels like WoW anyway lately when I bother to glance at channel chat (I usually just log in & sit afk & VC with friends), players are getting younger, well I should really say less mature. I don't care anymore about F2P people anymore, the game needs some new life. I'm good at the /ignore feature.</p>

Virrago
11-10-2011, 04:26 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ok but will my subscription still be billed normally or will I have to login and purchase it with station cash? </p><p>Also if for some reason I don't pay right away and my account gets reset to "free" or whatever.....does that mean all my legendary/fabled equipment, my bank slots, etc goes poof?  Or just not usable until I resubscribe?</p><p>I've never been involved with a f2p game so just a little confused on the logistics of it all.....</p></blockquote><p>From the FAQ: <a href="http://www.everquest2.com/news/read/current/5027" target="_blank">Click here</a> for the full explanation</p><p><strong>8. I used to play as an EverQuest II subscriber before it became Free-to-Play. What does this change mean for me?</strong></p> <p>If you are currently paying for an active monthly subscription in either EverQuest II or EverQuest II: Extended, you will automatically be rolled into a Gold membership, with full perks and privileges. This conversion will be seamless and no change will need to be made by the player. Membership will continue to recur as originally specified by the subscription.</p><p><strong>28. If I decide to downgrade from the Gold to Silver or Free membership, what will happen to the Gold perks I had with that membership?</strong></p><p>You don't lose anything permanently, but Gold membership content will become inaccessible to you until you repurchase a Gold membership. Letting a membership lapse is similar to allowing a subscription on the regular EverQuest II subscription service to lapse, where you become unable to access the features of that service until you renew your subscription.</p>

Calthine
11-10-2011, 04:26 PM
<p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/Free_to_Play_FAQ_%28EQ2%29#I_have_active,_paid_acc ounts_in_EverQuest_II_%28EQII%29_and_EverQuest_II_ Extended_%28EQIIX%29,_how_will_they_be_combined?" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/Free_to_Pla...ey_be_combined?</a></p><p>Read just below that link, they outline a lot of "Special cases".  Pretty sure that's covered there.</p>

ObsidianNightmare
11-10-2011, 04:26 PM
<p>This is something that should have happened from the onset.</p><p>From my previous debate/rants/discussion and pseudo poll in the EQ2X feedback thread I recall hearing time and again that that people would just rather have had EQ2X AND Live Subsription type models available on ALL servers rather than segregating the population and causing exactly what has happened now with the current state of the population.</p><p>(told you so)</p><p>SJ stated that the reason for the segregation was that he "heard you (the community) loud and clear" when it comes to separating out F2P type players from Subcription base players. Yet prior to that statement there was very little parlay from the community or in question to the community from SOE asking exactly what the temperature was from US the SUBSCRIBERS about how to approach the F2P market to increase subs.</p><p>The only threads remotely related to the topic at that time were surrounding issues related to pounding the arleady subscribing players with Microtransations and wether or not the items on the marketplace would affect gameplay. (still an ongoing discussion).</p><p>The prediction was at the end of teh day when EQ2X went live that eventually the sub model would come to all live servers.  The problem here is that it SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE FIRST PLACE rather cause more dissention in those that loved the game to begin with. People who cried chicken little and still continue to do so are completely ignorant to the fact that having multiple subscription models on the SAME server only pushes the games attractiveness to larger groups of people who might otherwise pass.</p><p>So once again.. told you so...  Also i'm calling BS once again on the way major changes to the game such as this are discussed with it's current player base.</p>

Nolrog
11-10-2011, 04:26 PM
<p><cite>naladini wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is correct, except that "intend" is too strong. We're definitely going to do the in-game polls, but then we'll base additions or changes on those poll results. We're not going to guess on power items any longer, and we need a more representative way to get opinions from players, so we're doing the in-game polls to get a true feel for what's desired.</p></blockquote><p>You may need to add some weighting to those polls so folks aren't creating a block of Free accounts to join in the voting (I'd imagine the gold farmers are quite against you guys selling items directly).</p></blockquote><p>On the TLP servers in EQ, they had the requirement that you were within 21 levels of max level in order to participate in the vote, for that reason (well to prevent people from coming over from the other servers and griefing them.)</p>

Neiloch
11-10-2011, 04:27 PM
<p>Any chance we can pay a smaller fee for the AA increase or just get it free outright? otherwise you are going to have a lot of disgruntled raiders and min/maxers having to pay full xpac price for one feature. i mean if EQ2 is going to start leaning harder on the microtransaction/station store anyway.</p>

Vellandra
11-10-2011, 04:27 PM
<p>In the 'Producers Letter', it states:</p><p>Recurring memberships are still available for those of us who don't like having to remember to pay each month, and <strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">recurring memberships also get the perk of a Station Cash bonus grant each month.</span></em></strong></p><p>However, this is not referenced on any of the other pages, such as the comparison between subscription types.  Could we get some more information please?  Is this intended or not?</p><p>I'm pretty neutral about the game going F2P, but I'm most definitely not neutral about the price of the not-expansion.  It's a huge amount of money for something that brings very little to the table.  There's practically nothing of interest to me, or many others, in the features included.  Very disappointed that it's not a more reasonable price for the content it delivers.</p>

Beerfan
11-10-2011, 04:28 PM
<p>+1 on F2P - it can help with population on servers. Ofcourse only if you finaly do something with server code, to handle zones with more than 50 ppl without lags.</p><p>And -10000 on 40 bucks expansion that has nothing in it. Sorry, it's your another epic fail - to announce pricing without telling us what we should pay for. The biggest joke is that foggy sentence about 'we gonna increase AA amount for some'.</p><p>Now instead of telling us whats in it or apologize us, you have only hate on boards and all you do is locking threads :/</p><p>Really, lots of ppl are with you for couple years, we gave you hundreds bucks already. And you threating us like...</p><p>Smokejumper, when you guys realize that you are 3 years behind competition - nothing you do is gonna be an innovation. You have hard times to keep up with implementing stuff EQ1 had for years, not to mention things that come with other games. Than, why you are that secretive about these expansions??? Why don't you work on hyping your community about stuff you work hard and we love??? It would sell a lot more that way!</p><p>PS. Once again I'll say, the best expansion was Sentinels Faith with Kiara working her lovely behind off to make your customers happy.</p>

FinalHolmes
11-10-2011, 04:28 PM
<p>Any chance SmokeJumper I can get a refund for my years subscription that I paid for a couple of days ago?This is such a <strong>kick to the </strong><span style="font-size: 1.1em;"><strong>stomach</strong> for the loyal fans that have been here from the start.</span></p>

Shrag
11-10-2011, 04:29 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Any chance we can pay a smaller fee for the AA increase or just get it free outright? otherwise you are going to have a lot of disgruntled raiders and min/maxers having to pay full xpac price for one feature. i mean if EQ2 is going to start leaning harder on the microtransaction/station store anyway.</p></blockquote><p>Please!</p>

Nolrog
11-10-2011, 04:29 PM
<p>Oops.  Double post.  Sorry about that.</p>

RadarX
11-10-2011, 04:29 PM
This post has moved: <a href="/eq2/posts/preList.m?topic_id=483458&post_id=5655299" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">/eq2/posts/preList.m?topic_id=48345...post_id=5655299</a> Removed for insults

Gadfly299
11-10-2011, 04:30 PM
<p>Ok, now that I have read the Faq and other info. I am not worried.  Just keep my current $14.99 payment going and all stays the same, plus the new exp pack.  No problem.</p>

Happyjr
11-10-2011, 04:30 PM
<p>Like the post says. Please dont do this. This will destroy guilds / servers and so forth. Ill say it now, If this goes thru and you actually do this, I will cancel my accounts ( All 4 )and go else where.</p>

Onorem
11-10-2011, 04:30 PM
<p><cite>Zehl_Ice-Fire wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>My wallet is happy as hell. I've made a huge investment with 3 accounts. I don't play much anymore and turn them off & on, and I was going to let them go off anyway for a while (one's paid for a year till Dec or Jan which has kept me around, still doing very little). Not that I have hate, I just need a break, I need to have freedom to do other things and not feel like I'm paying a sub, so I should be getting my money's worth.</p><p>I'm glad because I feel a bit jipped paying a monthly subsription plus $40-$80(CE) for yearly expansions times 3 accounts for a 7 year old game, plus nickel & diming in the game via SC. No subscription game should make subbed players pay MORE for anything. The game should have gone free as soon as SC came in.</p><p>I'm a f2p snob, sure, but my server feels like WoW anyway lately when I bother to glance at channel chat (I usually just log in & sit afk & VC with friends), players are getting younger, well I should really say less mature. I don't care anymore about F2P people anymore, the game needs some new life. I'm good at the /ignore feature.</p></blockquote><p>If you felt like taking time off, that was already an option.</p><p>Nothing on the cash shop was required other than character slots.</p>

Banditman
11-10-2011, 04:31 PM
<p>What level of subscription does Station Access bestow?</p>

arvydys
11-10-2011, 04:32 PM
<p><cite>Onorem wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>They are finally doing what they should have to start with as far as FTP goes. That said, I just cancelled because I don't trust for a minute that they'll actually keep game-impacting items off the cash shop (since they already sell benefits on live servers, what difference will adding the previous Xtortion only items make...)</p></blockquote><p>There arent any game impacting items on eq2x now, just people that overreact to things that arent required and 99% of the population doesnt use.</p><p>Some people are so misinformed/biased its absolutely ridiculous.</p><p>And this is actually a case of SoE listening to their players.  The things people thought were a 'ripoff' about the prgoram (namely the gold and platinum plans)?  Gone.  Segregation of players so no new blood joins the existing servers?  gone.</p><p>I do think AoD should be 40 with DoV included or 20 without though.  For new players AoD would be a solid deal since its its DoV content plus AoD features, but for existing players?  not so much.</p><p>If they dont want to lower the cost they could give SC, since those will be able to be used to buy subs.</p><p>Also, if they are truly allowing SC to buy subs, your subs just got a lot cheaper if you are smart about it....</p>

EQ2Playa432
11-10-2011, 04:33 PM
<p>Thank you for the link, but it is not covered. That section only talks about Billing.</p>

Gorpier
11-10-2011, 04:33 PM
<p>quote from OP:  Gold membership in EverQuest II will provide access to all races and classes (except the Freeblood race and the Beastlord class) and is identical in all ways to the current subscription status on EQII Live servers.</p><p>I read on the other pages on the everques2.com page that all people who purchased Freeblood in the last 60 days will be refunded... Does that mean that those of us who purchased it before the 60 day period lose our Freebloods and the money we paid for them?  Are they being removed from the game or are we expected to shell out more dollars to repurchase them?</p>

Svulst
11-10-2011, 04:33 PM
<p>Will free and silver subscription character be enforced a title so that people are aware of their character limitations?</p><p>I wouldn't want to spend time grouping with these guys and I hope I get to option to decline.</p>

Shaolin Sam
11-10-2011, 04:33 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Any chance SmokeJumper I can get a refund for my years subscription that I paid for a couple of days ago?This is such a <strong>kick to the </strong><span style="font-size: 1.1em;"><strong>stomach</strong> for the loyal fans that have been here from the start.</span></p></blockquote><p>Actually that's a good "valid" question. I wouldn't mind getting a refund for my account when I quit also.</p>

Golbezz
11-10-2011, 04:34 PM
<p><cite>Onorem wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>They are finally doing what they should have to start with as far as FTP goes. That said, I just cancelled because I don't trust for a minute that they'll actually keep game-impacting items off the cash shop (since they already sell benefits on live servers, what difference will adding the previous Xtortion only items make...)</p></blockquote><p>I don't trust that the items will stay out of the game long term either. That being said the only reason I didn't also cancel is because listed "pay-to-win" items will be removed.</p><p>My issue with F2P is when cash shop items become required to win (or to keep up with everyone who is buying them). If SOE does end up keeping the marketplace items more to the "fluff" side and not to the "game breaking" side then it doesn't really go against my views on "pay-to-win" (even though I dislike the SC marketplace in general). If powerful items end up on the marketplace that end up being essentially required to solo/group/raid then yes, I will probably cancel.</p><p>If SOE is actually honest about it and keeps the "pay-to-win" items out of the marketplace so that F2P does not become "pay-to-win" then I don't really have any problem with it.</p>

Xeronoth
11-10-2011, 04:35 PM
Question for the webcast: How can the players trust that the promises made will see fruition when SoE has a history of changing it's mind so rapidly? Via Medical, of the Butcherblock Server

Nolrog
11-10-2011, 04:36 PM
<p>OK, the first one was my fault, this one was a forum hiccup.  Sorry again.</p>

Lemilla
11-10-2011, 04:36 PM
<p>Thanks SmokeJumper for lying to the playerbase again.</p><p>Ever since you came here, you have been promising things. You have appaered to listed to the playerbase. You made promises. And you have come back on most of those promises. You have gone through with your own plans, instead of what the playerbase as asked for. You have lied to us.</p><p>When the plans for EQ2X where announced, it was made very clear by the playerbase that they did not want the live servers to became FTP. Many reasons where given. You appeared to have listened, and made EQ2X a seperate service. And now you go back on that and try to say it's a good thing we all wanted?</p><p>Occasionaly, a requests pops up on the forums for wanting something on the marketplace. All those requests get shot down by the playerbase, as it should be things that we should either not get at all, or that should be aviable through in-game means. Those threads should be a clear sign that most of the playerbase does not want the marketplace. Back in the day, it was promised we'd never get a marketplace. You went back on that promise and gave it to us anyway.</p><p>We'd never get a 25th class to unbalance things even more than they are now. You went back on that promise, and are giving it to us anyway. A new mechanics, "less buttons to press" to follow suit with WoW and its clones. A new class to unbalance the game.</p><p>I could go on, but then this post won't be constuctive.</p><p>Of course, these lies and broken promises are on top of the misserable state the game is in right now. All the broken raid scripts to slow down progression. The broken mob pathing as a result from increasing melee range to simplify the game. The horrible itemisation since Silius was given a job. The many features that have been pushed live while they weren't ready, resulting in a series of patches and abandonment.</p><p>Please stop trying to get as much money as possible out of the playerbase for the least amount of effort as you can. Try listening to the playerbase, thinking reasonably about what you hear, and acting on that. Try giving your developers enough time to do their jobs. Try to make sure that things that are released are ready and properly tested before being pushed live. Do things things right, or let someone else do it for you.</p><p>Care for the game, instead of lying to the players.</p>

Cyliena
11-10-2011, 04:37 PM
<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>What level of subscription does Station Access bestow?</p></blockquote><p>Gold</p>

EQ2Playa432
11-10-2011, 04:39 PM
<p><span style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; color: #cae0e6;">What is going to happen to those of us that have both Live and Extended characters? Are we going to be losing access to those extra characters unless we pay for slots? Pretty lame if so... Existing characters should be grandfathered in and allowed.</span></p>

yagsfan
11-10-2011, 04:39 PM
<p>If I'm understanding the matrix correctly, with the gold membership I'll be allowed 7 characters.  What will happen with the other five toons that I currently play?  (Yes, I currently have a total of twelve toons...I purchased the extra character slots through the marketplace or won them through LON loot cards.)  And will we still be able to purchase more slots if we so desire?  What can I say...I have multiple personality disorder?  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p>

Onorem
11-10-2011, 04:39 PM
<p><cite>[email protected]_old wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Onorem wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>They are finally doing what they should have to start with as far as FTP goes. That said, I just cancelled because I don't trust for a minute that they'll actually keep game-impacting items off the cash shop (since they already sell benefits on live servers, what difference will adding the previous Xtortion only items make...)</p></blockquote><p>There arent any game impacting items on eq2x now, just people that overreact to things that arent required and 99% of the population doesnt use.</p><p>Some people are so misinformed/biased its absolutely ridiculous.</p><p>And this is actually a case of SoE listening to their players.  The things people thought were a 'ripoff' about the prgoram (namely the gold and platinum plans)?  Gone.  Segregation of players so no new blood joins the existing servers?  gone.</p><p>I do think AoD should be 40 with DoV included or 20 without though.  For new players AoD would be a solid deal since its its DoV content plus AoD features, but for existing players?  not so much.</p><p>If they dont want to lower the cost they could give SC, since those will be able to be used to buy subs.</p><p>Also, if they are truly allowing SC to buy subs, your subs just got a lot cheaper if you are smart about it....</p></blockquote><p>There are game impacting items on eq2x now. That people don't use them doesn't mean they aren't there.</p>

Bremer
11-10-2011, 04:40 PM
<p>Two things. The new matrix says "Ingame pop up ad: for gold none" (http://everquest2.com/free_to_play/game_overview)</p><p>Does that mean that you can now turn of the station cash pop up ad on log in (aka welcome screen). In the past you implemented some hacks to force the pop up to open, will these changes be undone?</p><p>And 2nd. It reads "When all is said and done, there will only be two types of servers, PvE and PvP". Does that mean there will be no longer the 3rd type of servers called "2nd class, non-english servers", that have no access to cross server Battlegrounds?</p>

dankaro
11-10-2011, 04:40 PM
<p>No livegamer anymore and no exchange server in it's place. I won't be back either guess i'll be off to Diablo 3.</p>

Katey
11-10-2011, 04:41 PM
<p>Not crazy at ALL about free accounts being able to join a guild.  This should only be allowed for PAID accounts.</p>

Laenai
11-10-2011, 04:41 PM
<p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You don't know what F2P does to a game. There's not a single F2P game on the market that's successful atm. People play them for kicks then just delete them. Heck. I started downloading DCUO just to try it out when it went F2P but after reading the restrictions just plain stopped and deleted it. F2P games are basically a gaming company's way of saying "We're losing money fast and are trying REALLY hard to stay afloat so we're going to change the pricing and hope to god we make money up on the back end." <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Hi there. I have to disagree with a couple things you said:</p><p>1) Free-to-play games are hugely successful. LOTRO is doing well, and EQ2X has thrived. And we're the latecomers to the game. There's tons of F2P offerings around the world and here at home that are doing extremely well.</p><p>2) The perception you have about the quality of F2P games is unfortunate, but it's true that perception is common...currently. Free-to-play is a business model that has nothing to do with the quality of offering. If you think about it objectively, the current "Pay and Hope" model (pay up front and hope the game is good) doesn't guarantee quality. Fully 80% of all game offerings (like most of life) are not quality. F2P is just a different business model, and it's success and popularity is growing each day.</p><p>But that being said, there's only one real change in all of this stuff that we just published.</p><p>That single change is: Subscriptions are now optional. That's it. Everything else is just explanation of detail.</p></blockquote><p>Pay and hope is what you want us to do regarding pre-ordering the new expansion with no news, obviously no content, and no real idea of what "features" we're spending money on. I'm under the impression that I'll be paying $40 for an AA increase...........and that's it.</p><p>The real question is: How long until we're offered honest-to-goodness gear on the marketplace? With the revamp of gear here lately, you can't tell me that's not what you guys are making room for. Yeah, I see y'all are taking the "game affecting" stuff off the marketplace TEMPORARILY, but we all know where this is going.</p><p>The non-existent slippery slope just seems to get more and more crisco-coated as time goes on.</p>

ranga
11-10-2011, 04:41 PM
<p><cite>Vellandra wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>In the 'Producers Letter', it states:</p><p>Recurring memberships are still available for those of us who don't like having to remember to pay each month, and <strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">recurring memberships also get the perk of a Station Cash bonus grant each month.</span></em></strong></p><p>However, this is not referenced on any of the other pages, such as the comparison between subscription types.  Could we get some more information please?  Is this intended or not?</p><p>I'm pretty neutral about the game going F2P, but I'm most definitely not neutral about the price of the not-expansion.  It's a huge amount of money for something that brings very little to the table.  There's practically nothing of interest to me, or many others, in the features included.  Very disappointed that it's not a more reasonable price for the content it delivers.</p></blockquote><p>This.</p><p>I also am quite neutral wrt F2P. TBH I care even less about free SC.</p><p>Since joining the game, I have always paid up for the latest expac and monthly subs without a break. I do get value from the game for sure. I am confident that I am not alone.</p><p>What I do care about however, is being made to pay twice in a year for what I came to expect as an annual up front cost. It seems to me that the ones actually paying for the freeloaders to join are full subscribers such as me. So in effect, for this year at least, there is no F2P - all the free accounts will be provided by what will become the Gold subscriber's.</p><p>I'm not even going to go into the realms of the mega thread where we were reassured that all EQ2 would NOT go F2P unless the players wanted it to. What I will say is that to include the 2 key new elements i.e aa inc and Beastlords within AoD at 40 bucks (which no doubt will become 60 quid) INSTEAD of including it in the next GU for ACCOUNTS IN GOOD STANDING THAT HAVE ALREADY BOUGHT DoV is pretty mean. You are asking even forcing existing, loyal subscribers essentially to fund the change to F2P.</p><p>That is absolutely bad news!</p>

Vlahkmaak
11-10-2011, 04:45 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Not crazy at ALL about free accounts being able to join a guild.  This should only be allowed for PAID accounts.</p></blockquote><p>Don't allow them in?</p><p><cite>ranga wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>...  I also am quite neutral wrt F2P. TBH I care even less about free SC.  ...</p></blockquote><p>With free SC per recurring sub this is gonna save me money as my wife buys all that appearance fluff crap.  So guess I am pro F2P.</p>

Fazznuszen
11-10-2011, 04:45 PM
<p>Truely sad, SOE is one of the last to the f2p party.  I remember when they use to be a leader in the industry. Oh well, I think it is time to move on.  And with a big announcement like this and I cant access my subscriptions in all-access all the sudden......</p>

Golbezz
11-10-2011, 04:45 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Will free and silver subscription character be enforced a title so that people are aware of their character limitations? </p><p>I wouldn't want to spend time grouping with these guys and I hope I get to option to decline.</p></blockquote><p>Colored character tags might be a way, or maybe like a little gold coin icon near the tag. If restrictions are too much for the free players just add sub requirement into the standard /lfm spam:</p><p>[zone name here] group LF [classes], [crit mit], [crit chance], gold sub, PST.</p><p>I think the GMs will have far more work with free accounts involving chat channels, plat sellers and all. I guess we will find out soon.</p>

Quicksilver74
11-10-2011, 04:45 PM
<p>Making EQ2 Free 2 Play is just an all around excellent decision.  There is no valid reason for ANYONE to be upset about EQ2 going Free 2 Play in full, and thus, merging the player base into a single service, full capable of mingling and improving server populations across the board.  </p><p>  </p>

arvydys
11-10-2011, 04:46 PM
<p><cite>Kenazeer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong><em></em></strong></p><p>This guy knows a thing or two about games....in my estimation.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Morhaime">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Morhaime</a></p><p>And his thoughts are:</p><p>"I think it’s very expensive to make these <a class="kLink" href="#"><span style="position: static; color: #0054a6 !important; font-size: 11px; font-weight: 400;"><span style="position: relative; font-family: Verdana; color: #0054a6 !important; font-size: 11px; font-weight: 400;">games</span></span></a>, especially if you’re expecting people to pay a monthly fee just to <a class="kLink" href="#"><span style="position: static; color: #0054a6 !important; font-size: 11px; font-weight: 400;"><span style="border-bottom: #0054a6 1px solid; position: relative; background-color: transparent; font-family: Verdana; color: #0054a6 !important; font-size: 11px; font-weight: 400;">play </span><span style="border-bottom: #0054a6 1px solid; position: relative; background-color: transparent; font-family: Verdana; color: #0054a6 !important; font-size: 11px; font-weight: 400;">the </span><span style="border-bottom: #0054a6 1px solid; position: relative; background-color: transparent; font-family: Verdana; color: #0054a6 !important; font-size: 11px; font-weight: 400;">game</span></span></a>. And so there are very few companies that can compete at that high level with those types of budgets. Definitely if you’re not charging anybody, they’re going to be a lot more forgiving about the experience they have.”and</p><p>"...paying 15 dollars offers a superior experience that cannot be matched anywhere else."</p><p>and</p><p>“I think that there’s an underlying, a fundamental assumption right now, that the less you charge, the more money you make. Which isn’t true. And it doesn’t necessarily make for a better game.”</p><p>I would be interested in hearing how you think that big budget games can be developed as Free to Play or whether F2P games of any decent quality will always skate on the backs of those who financed them through subs.</p><p>F2P will really only succeed if companies are allowed to turn there backs on those who at first paid the bills in my estimation.</p></blockquote><p>1.  This is coming from a guy whose game intoduced the $25 mount concept.  Even SoE has their moutns cheaper now</p><p>2.  Hes also implemented a way to make a B2P game into an enormous cash cow for the company (D3 AH), which is taking a page form SoE's playbook actually but the sheer volume of D3 transactions will dwarf anything that happened with SoEs experiment</p><p>3.  WoW has an extremely slow development cycle</p><p>4.  Player housing and better ivnentory mangement (shared bank slots, bigger starter bag) arent implemented because they arent cost effective...EQ2 has the most robust housing on the market and probably the most inventory storage</p><p>5. So his 'paying 15 dollars' (and cash shop) is supposed to get this superior experience you cant get anywhere else...Im just not seeing it.</p><p>I think the way SoE and Turbine are doing it is what well see in the future (f2p option or p2p option with fluff cash shop).  The thing thats scary about that is that development slowed to a crawl for LOTRO when it went F2P.  Slowed down pretty much for SoE too, but once this is finalized and the Qeynos revamp done they better bust their arses.</p>

SmokeJumper
11-10-2011, 04:47 PM
<p><cite>naladini wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is correct, except that "intend" is too strong. We're definitely going to do the in-game polls, but then we'll base additions or changes on those poll results. We're not going to guess on power items any longer, and we need a more representative way to get opinions from players, so we're doing the in-game polls to get a true feel for what's desired.</p></blockquote><p>You may need to add some weighting to those polls so folks aren't creating a block of Free accounts to join in the voting (I'd imagine the gold farmers are quite against you guys selling items directly).</p><p>Love the announcement, I was really enjoying my time on Freeport, but sad about missing my Vet Awards. Awesome to see things coming back together under one title again. </p></blockquote><p>Good call, naladini. We'll probably use the same "anti-fraud" stuff that we use for Gifting. That should take care of any potential poll weighting.</p>

thephantomposter
11-10-2011, 04:47 PM
<p>This sounds awsome!!! Love it and thank you! This fits for me and my kids play styles.</p><p>And "We're going to liberate those players and characters by turning off the Live Gamer service, and merging the existing Exchange populations into other servers already in existence.</p><p>In mid-December, we'll merge Vox with Nagafen (where they can continue to play in their chosen PvP style),"</p><p>Double awsome, I can now bring my toons back to life!</p><p>Now all they have to do is fix pvp <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p>

Golbezz
11-10-2011, 04:48 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Not crazy at ALL about free accounts being able to join a guild.  This should only be allowed for PAID accounts.</p></blockquote><p>This would actually be a good idea to restrict joining or starting a guild while free. At the very least it might get more players to subscribe.</p>

SmokeJumper
11-10-2011, 04:50 PM
<p><cite>Vellandra wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>In the 'Producers Letter', it states:</p><p>Recurring memberships are still available for those of us who don't like having to remember to pay each month, and <strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">recurring memberships also get the perk of a Station Cash bonus grant each month.</span></em></strong></p><p>However, this is not referenced on any of the other pages, such as the comparison between subscription types.  Could we get some more information please?  Is this intended or not?</p></blockquote><p>Yes. Recurring memberships get the bonus perk of a free 500SC grant each month.</p>

arvydys
11-10-2011, 04:50 PM
<p><cite>ranga wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong><em></em></strong></p><p>I'm not even going to go into the realms of the mega thread where we were reassured that all EQ2 would NOT go F2P unless the players wanted it to. </p></blockquote><p>I think that a large portion of players do want this.  its certainly not unanimous either way, but I deifnitely think there is enough people that wanted this for the influx of people to the game.</p><p>Also, if you played on freeport you would realize the game is still the same one ither side of the fence, there really isnt a difference.</p>

SmokeJumper
11-10-2011, 04:51 PM
<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>What level of subscription does Station Access bestow?</p></blockquote><p>Gold.</p>

SmokeJumper
11-10-2011, 04:52 PM
<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>What level of subscription does Station Access bestow?</p></blockquote><p>Gold.</p>

Golbezz
11-10-2011, 04:52 PM
<p><cite>yagsfan wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If I'm understanding the matrix correctly, with the gold membership I'll be allowed 7 characters.  What will happen with the other five toons that I currently play?  (Yes, I currently have a total of twelve toons...I purchased the extra character slots through the marketplace or won them through LON loot cards.)  And will we still be able to purchase more slots if we so desire?  What can I say...I have multiple personality disorder?  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I would hope we are able to keep char slots that were already purchased. I have 10 active with a spare for beastlord on the standard live sub (I think the original limit was 7 for that as well).</p>

Shaolin Sam
11-10-2011, 04:53 PM
<p><cite>Karimonster wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>The real question is: How long until we're offered honest-to-goodness gear on the marketplace? With the revamp of gear here lately, you can't tell me that's not what you guys are making room for. Yeah, I see y'all are taking the "game affecting" stuff off the marketplace TEMPORARILY, but we all know where this is going.<p>The non-existent slippery slope just seems to get more and more crisco-coated as time goes on.</p></blockquote><p>The conversion to a fully F2P system mean that what you're talking about probably isn't far down the road. I give you guys that stay here and play about 8-12 months before things like "buy an epic" or "buy rare ores" or "buy a potion to kill a raid mob easier" or... etc etc etc start appearing on the marketplace.</p>

Bremer
11-10-2011, 04:53 PM
<p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Vellandra wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>In the 'Producers Letter', it states:</p><p>Recurring memberships are still available for those of us who don't like having to remember to pay each month, and <strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">recurring memberships also get the perk of a Station Cash bonus grant each month.</span></em></strong></p><p>However, this is not referenced on any of the other pages, such as the comparison between subscription types.  Could we get some more information please?  Is this intended or not?</p></blockquote><p>Yes. Recurring memberships get the bonus perk of a free 500SC grant each month.</p></blockquote><p>Will you be able to buy expansions with station cash?</p>

Melanchol
11-10-2011, 04:53 PM
<p><cite>[email protected]_old wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ranga wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong><em></em></strong></p><p>I'm not even going to go into the realms of the mega thread where we were reassured that all EQ2 would NOT go F2P unless the players wanted it to. </p></blockquote><p>I think that a large portion of players do want this.  its certainly not unanimous either way, but I deifnitely think there is enough people that wanted this for the influx of people to the game.</p><p>Also, if you played on freeport you would realize the game is still the same one ither side of the fence, there really isnt a difference.</p></blockquote><p>you're right.</p><p>The entire implementation strategy from the moment $C was introduced was to use a step by step approach to condition the community to accept it.</p><p>As has been discussed in the past, it's the boiling Frog approach, and the community did not notice the water getting hotter, despite many discussing exactly what $oE was doing.</p><p>Now we are all being boiled alive, and due to the slow, methodical implementation, a great portion of the community does not care, or foolishly believes it to be a good thing.</p>

Beerfan
11-10-2011, 04:54 PM
<p><cite>Golbezz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Not crazy at ALL about free accounts being able to join a guild.  This should only be allowed for PAID accounts.</p></blockquote><p>This would actually be a good idea to restrict joining or starting a guild while free. At the very least it might get more players to subscribe.</p></blockquote><p>That would be antisocial thing, and we want play with our mates.</p><p>IMO if you are on free account:</p><p>1. You can join guilds.</p><p>2. You cannot create them.</p><p>3. You cannot use guild bank.</p><p>4. You can use guild hall and all amenities.</p>

Mithi
11-10-2011, 04:54 PM
<p>Me too wondering bout the extra 12 charslots i bought.</p><p>We keeping them?I sure would hope so, would for me otherwise turn the switch to not play anymore.</p><p>Any news we can get on that plse, since more of us asking same</p>

Nolrog
11-10-2011, 04:55 PM
<p><cite>Mithi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Me too wondering bout the extra 12 charslots i bought.</p><p>We keeping them?I sure would hope so, would for me otherwise turn the switch to not play anymore.</p><p> Any news we can get on that plse, since more of us asking same</p></blockquote><p>The way I read the annoucement, anything you purchased, you keep.  I would totally understand (and support) people's outrage if it were any other way.</p>

Golbezz
11-10-2011, 04:56 PM
<p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The conversion to a fully F2P system mean that what you're talking about probably isn't far down the road. I give you guys that stay here and play about 8-12 months before things like "buy an epic" or "buy rare ores" or "buy a potion to kill a raid mob easier" or... etc etc etc start appearing on the marketplace.</p></blockquote><p>That's the type of F2P game I'm against, which I refer to as "pay-to-win" and that's the type of game I won't support with my money.</p>

arvydys
11-10-2011, 04:56 PM
<p><cite>Onorem wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected]_old wrote:</cite></p><p>There are game impacting items on eq2x now. That people don't use them doesn't mean they aren't there.</p></blockquote><p>If hardcore raiders are stupid enough (crappy enough) to buy health potions that have a long cooldown, so be it.  It doesnt effect me, it doesnt effect 99% of the people.  Plus, given that they have listened to general feedback with all this, my guess is if they are added back in they will not be able to be used in raid zones anyway.</p>

Yimway
11-10-2011, 04:56 PM
<p>Well, all I can really say is, 'I told you so' and 'its about time'.  This is absolutely the right business model for F2P and the one I so adamently told you SOE should be doing from day 1.</p><p>I do however have one very important question.  Seeing as I can by sub time with SC, can I gift it as well?</p><p>Thanks,</p>

Alletris
11-10-2011, 04:57 PM
<p>We have 8 station access accounts, have had them since the start of the game.  We play EQ1 and the other games also.  Most of our accounts are full of 12 characters on each account.  What happens to us?  Do we get to keep our station access for the other games and keep all of our characters on our accounts in EQ2?   Or do we find that we no longer have all of our characters? </p><p>We've paid a premium for years to have these accounts, surely we will not lose our characters.  You don't mention station access anywhere in the producers letter.  What is the plan for us?  Please let us know what will happen.</p><p>This is very upsetting.  Waiting for your reply.</p>

Mithi
11-10-2011, 04:58 PM
<p>To be very honest, if they took them away, i would hesitate to stop playing.</p><p>And i think many with me.</p><p>The price about xpack s*cks so much allrdy, the little things whats in it for the same amount..........</p><p>If they would take away the extra chars, there wouldnt be much left anymore tbh</p>

Brigh
11-10-2011, 04:58 PM
<p><cite>dawy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Account cancelled not for me me thinks</p><p>Had a blast EQ2 but this is the final straw</p><p>Roll on star wars TOR</p><p>A compitent MMO</p></blockquote><p>I will never understand thinking like this.</p><p>You need to read what the letter says, not what you think it says.</p><p>They already have been giving us different payment options that include a "weekend warrior" subscription model (3 days a week or month which ever it is), etc.</p><p>Now they are giving you more options AND giving all content up to SF for free. Once again I ask: How in the hell is that bad?!</p>

Mithi
11-10-2011, 05:00 PM
<p>Would must be wouldnt, but gues you figure that out.</p><p>For my thought about this f2p crap, it stinks,lol, was what i was affraid for, and now happening, but hey who am i</p>

Marnus
11-10-2011, 05:00 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well, all I can really say is, 'I told you so' and 'its about time'.  This is absolutely the right business model for F2P and the one I so adamently told you SOE should be doing from day 1.</p><p>I do however have one very important question.  Seeing as I can by sub time with SC, can I gift it as well?</p><p>Thanks,</p></blockquote><p>Good question-i have several friends around the country who have had to cut costs, and leave the game due to unemployment or other financial issues-Would be an awesome christmas/frostfell gift to put in their christmas cards<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Hirofortis
11-10-2011, 05:01 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well, all I can really say is, 'I told you so' and 'its about time'.  This is absolutely the right business model for F2P and the one I so adamently told you SOE should be doing from day 1.</p><p>I do however have one very important question.  Seeing as I can by sub time with SC, can I gift it as well?</p><p>Thanks,</p></blockquote><p>I agree, this is a needed change. Al lI Wanna know is, can I preorder the xpac on the marketplace. please please.</p>

Mithi
11-10-2011, 05:01 PM
<p><cite>Brigh wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>dawy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Account cancelled not for me me thinks</p><p>Had a blast EQ2 but this is the final straw</p><p>Roll on star wars TOR</p><p>A compitent MMO</p></blockquote><p>I will never understand thinking like this.</p><p>You need to read what the letter says, not what you think it says.</p><p>They already have been giving us different payment options that include a "weekend warrior" subscription model (3 days a week or month which ever it is), etc.</p><p>Now they are giving you more options AND giving all content up to SF for free. Once again I ask: How in the hell is that bad?!</p></blockquote><p>Content for free isnt rlly true since we payed for it allrdy, up till dov</p>

Nolrog
11-10-2011, 05:01 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Good question-i have several friends around the country who have had to cut costs, and leave the game due to unemployment or other financial issues-Would be an awesome christmas/frostfell gift to put in their christmas cards<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I think that's a great idea.  If you really wanted to do that, you could just buy the physical SC cards and stick them in the envelope (assuming you're sending an acutal christmas card/gift and they sell the SC cards near you.)</p>

EQPrime
11-10-2011, 05:02 PM
<p><cite>[email protected]_old wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Making EQ2 Free 2 Play is just an all around excellent decision.  There is no valid reason for ANYONE to be upset about EQ2 going Free 2 Play in full, and thus, merging the player base into a single service, full capable of mingling and improving server populations across the board.  </p><p>   </p></blockquote><p>Oh it sounds wonderful until our honorable producer throws all kinds of game changing stuff on the marketplace.  If you believe he'll keep that stuff off the marketplace I think you're being pretty niave.  If we could trust him then yes I would think it's probably a good decision.</p><p>I fully believe that gold members are going to get nickle and dimed to death in the long run.  I'm sure he'll back it up with some "poll results" showing that players want the stuff.</p><p>Also, $40 for the upcoming joke of an expansion is rediculous.</p>

Shaolin Sam
11-10-2011, 05:03 PM
<p>I wonder if SJ knew the massive explosion this would cause on the forums when he hit the "enter" button on his announcement post lol. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

SmokeJumper
11-10-2011, 05:04 PM
<p><cite>yagsfan wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If I'm understanding the matrix correctly, with the gold membership I'll be allowed 7 characters.  What will happen with the other five toons that I currently play?  (Yes, I currently have a total of twelve toons...I purchased the extra character slots through the marketplace or won them through LON loot cards.)  And will we still be able to purchase more slots if we so desire?  What can I say...I have multiple personality disorder?  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>If you purchased character slots, you'll still have them. No worries.</p><p>The only tricky bit is if you purchased character slots on *both* EQII Live and EQ2X servers (only a handful of people did this). In that case, you will still get all the slots you had purchased. Here's an example for clarity:</p><ul><li>You purchased four slots on AB. (7 + 4 = 11 total slots)</li><li>You then purchased five slots on Freeport. (7 + 5 = 12 total slots)</li><li>Then after the free-to-play conversion, you would have (7 + 4 + 5 = 16) slots available at your disposal when you log in.</li></ul>

Mithi
11-10-2011, 05:04 PM
<p>Tbh, he said he wanted to make things easier for people.</p><p>This way you made it harder, not easier</p>

Pewtriid
11-10-2011, 05:04 PM
<p>Gonna try this again, as my post was deleted because it contained "insults"....when there were no insults. </p><p><span ><p>I was waiting impatiently for something awesome...like "This cashpack..I mean xpak...is only gonna run $9.95 if you pre-order, $19.95 if you wait."  But no.  I read SJ's post and felt tears come to my eyes.  The game I love to play has sold out.  Pay to win has won in this place. I won't be buying the barely more than a hotfix at 40 bucks per account.  I will not be renewing my accounts.  I probably won't even be playing much while my accounts tick down to their last moments.   Guess it's time to sell off my gear so I can give it to the guild and be done with it.   AsI have stated before here, I WILL NOT SUPPORT THE F2P MODEL.  I WILL *NOT* PLAY A F2P GAME, EVEN FREE.</p><p><deleted one sentence> As my last post here, Goodbye Norrath.  (And, no, it isn't /ragequit.  It's /sadquit)  We had a blast, but there isn't a point in going on now.</p><p>The sentence I deleted above simply stated that I felt this move is a mistake.  It is far less insulting than many posts on this thread, yet it was deleted....I guess having a negative opinion about this whole mess is not allowed.</p></span></p>

Yimway
11-10-2011, 05:05 PM
<p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I wonder if SJ knew the massive explosion this would cause on the forums when he hit the "enter" button on his announcement post lol. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>LOL, of course he did, the mods were lined up and ready, but its mostly a bunch of over-reaction that once it all runs in will really not impact your day to day gameplay at all other than more people will eventually make it to 90 on your server to group with.</p>

Virrago
11-10-2011, 05:05 PM
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SmokeJumper
11-10-2011, 05:05 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well, all I can really say is, 'I told you so' and 'its about time'.  This is absolutely the right business model for F2P and the one I so adamently told you SOE should be doing from day 1.</p><p>I do however have one very important question.  Seeing as I can by sub time with SC, can I gift it as well?</p><p>Thanks,</p></blockquote><p>Not yet, but only because Gifting doesn't (currently) allow items that apply to an entire account to be gifted. (You can only gift items that affect a specific character currently.)</p><p>This is definitely something we'd like to open up, but it will require code changes first.</p>

Nolrog
11-10-2011, 05:05 PM
<p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I wonder if SJ knew the massive explosion this would cause on the forums when he hit the "enter" button on his announcement post lol. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Of course he did.  He can't say Happy Friday without people proclaiming it either a) the greatest thing ever or b) the end of the world.  Such is the EQ2 (and EQ for that matter) forum.</p>

MagicFeather
11-10-2011, 05:05 PM
<p>Allot of people don't understand that Everquest II probably don't survive without this changes. You can play the way you did for months if not years, with more people. And if SOE makes more money with this new plan, the have more backup and can use that for bugfixes and more content.Yes there are things that you probably don't like, but people that are hating about this are just typing before thinking if it is possible to run this game without this changes.Everquest II is a really big game with allot of content, and the need money to get this game running in a healthy way.And if you don't like the Free-to-Play players, just ignore them, or just help them and the get probably even better then you are.I can get really angry when i read those hate comments, SOE didn't do this if the earned enough money out of it, but the need more, that sounds weird right? And if you simply say, ''SOE wants more money and hates us'', you're right and wrong. Yes the want more money, why? Because the want it, but also need it. Do the hate you? No, if the did, the just shutdown this game, and there will be much more hate.The Turbine online games where dying too, and look at those games now, the are really, really healthy and the hardcore players of that game are not hating, even if there are free to play players, the are happy that the still CAN play there favorite game.How you can hate something that makes it possible for you to play this game, think again, and don't let the rage control your mind. Thank you.</p><p>And yes, my english is bad <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

bagup
11-10-2011, 05:06 PM
<p>awful news, get rdy for the wow community</p><p>i steer clear of eq2x for this very reason, thx you have probably ended my 2 accounts on eq2 now, and i love this game  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>PUGS in crap gear is gonna be dreadful ,</p><p> im saddened by this model you have adopted and although i realise you have to do this to preserve the life of the game , its not for me and wish ya the best of luck in the future</p>

Golbezz
11-10-2011, 05:07 PM
<p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you purchased character slots, you'll still have them. No worries.</p><p>The only tricky bit is if you purchased character slots on *both* EQII Live and EQ2X servers (only a handful of people did this). In that case, you will still get all the slots you had purchased. Here's an example for clarity:</p><ul><li>You purchased four slots on AB. (7 + 4 = 11 total slots)</li><li>You then purchased five slots on Freeport. (7 + 5 = 12 total slots)</li><li>Then after the free-to-play conversion, you would have (7 + 4 + 5 = 16) slots available at your disposal when you log in.</li></ul></blockquote><p>Does the free LoN character slot count as purchased? That was the loot card I chose after the hacking incident and I'm sure many others did as well.</p>

Labruja
11-10-2011, 05:07 PM
<p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>yagsfan wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If I'm understanding the matrix correctly, with the gold membership I'll be allowed 7 characters.  What will happen with the other five toons that I currently play?  (Yes, I currently have a total of twelve toons...I purchased the extra character slots through the marketplace or won them through LON loot cards.)  And will we still be able to purchase more slots if we so desire?  What can I say...I have multiple personality disorder?  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>If you purchased character slots, you'll still have them. No worries.</p><p>The only tricky bit is if you purchased character slots on *both* EQII Live and EQ2X servers (only a handful of people did this). In that case, you will still get all the slots you had purchased. Here's an example for clarity:</p><ul><li>You purchased four slots on AB. (7 + 4 = 11 total slots)</li><li>You then purchased five slots on Freeport. (7 + 5 = 12 total slots)</li><li>Then after the free-to-play conversion, you would have (7 + 4 + 5 = 16) slots available at your disposal when you log in.</li></ul></blockquote><p>What about those of us who have the extra slots due to All Access?  Will we lose those slots now?</p>

Mithi
11-10-2011, 05:08 PM
<p>Talking bout slots, any way to see how many slots are still open for you to create new toons?</p><p>Think i bought 12 of them and got 2 for b-daypressent, so makes 14 and the 7 makes 21.</p><p>Problem is, im not pretty sure if i bought 12  or more lol</p>

ranga
11-10-2011, 05:08 PM
<p>Well looks like the complaint will be ignored so I'll ask a direct question...</p><p>Will you make AoD free for purchasers of DoV with accounts in good standing.</p><p>I strongly object to being asked to pay twice in a year plus a subscription.</p>

Golbezz
11-10-2011, 05:09 PM
<p><cite>bagup wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>awful news, get rdy for the wow community</p><p>i steer clear of eq2x for this very reason, thx you have probably ended my 2 accounts on eq2 now, and i love this game  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p><p>PUGS in crap gear is gonna be dreadful ,</p><p> im saddened by this model you have adopted and although i realise you have to do this to preserve the life of the game , its not for me and wish ya the best of luck in the future </p></blockquote><p>See my post on page 7 about adding gold sub to the usual group /LFM spam.</p>

CeJae
11-10-2011, 05:10 PM
<p><cite>ranga wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well looks like the complaint will be ignored so I'll ask a direct question...</p><p>Will you make AoD free for purchasers of DoV with accounts in good standing.</p><p>I strongly object to being asked to pay twice in a year plus a subscription.</p></blockquote><p>No, they won't.</p>

arvydys
11-10-2011, 05:10 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected]_old wrote:</cite></p><p>Now we are all being boiled alive, and due to the slow, methodical implementation, a great portion of the community does not care, or foolishly believes it to be a good thing.</p></blockquote><p>And only people with poor analytical skills think its a bad thing.</p><p>F2P conversion definitely benefitted LOTRO in terms of player base.  Turbine slipped in their support of the game, but that has nothing to dow ith the actual conversion.</p><p>Were in a market now where WoW is losing subs, Rift cant maintain subs, and the main competition coming out is a sci fi game that not everyone will be interested.  There are a LOT of people looking for a new game to try, and EQ2 does have a fairly solid reputation.  Theres players to be had.</p><p>Or I suppose SoE can keep developing for the level 90s exclusively and watch that population erode over time until there isnt enough money coming in for future development.</p>

screenid
11-10-2011, 05:11 PM
<p>YO!!</p><p>I have 4 toons I copied from the Bazaar... they still exist on Both servers.  (My account)</p><p>Will it be possible to Merge my copied toons?  My Warden on Bazaar has all the cool things I collected over the years (<strong>that I could not copy over.... plus the 7 and upcoming 8 year vet reward) </strong>..My  copied Warden on EQ2X --who I have played for over a year is my main. They are the same toon just at different levels of development.  Can you merge them together   so I get everything my Bazaar toon owns but apply that to my  active version of him on Freeport?</p><p>-This goes for my NECRO, Mystic and Illusionist as well</p>

arvydys
11-10-2011, 05:12 PM
<p><cite>Golbezz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><blockquote><p>awful news, get rdy for the wow community</p><p>i steer clear of eq2x for this very reason, thx you have probably ended my 2 accounts on eq2 now, and i love this game  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p><p>PUGS in crap gear is gonna be dreadful ,</p><p> im saddened by this model you have adopted and although i realise you have to do this to preserve the life of the game , its not for me and wish ya the best of luck in the future </p></blockquote></blockquote><p>How many low/mid level PuGs did you find running around with Master spells and fabled gear?  PuG quality will be the same.  Anyone in the content that gear matters will be a sub anyway.</p>

Brigh
11-10-2011, 05:12 PM
<p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>While I am not pleased...at the very least they are taking away the 'special' bought goodies from Freeport. no insta kill wands, no health/power potions, no buying all the mastercrafted stuff for SC, ect. sounds like they are just adding silver and free plans to live, and stripping freeport marketplace of anything we don't already have on live. we'll see how it goes.</p></blockquote><p>you need to reread it.</p><p>They are TEMPORARILLY removing them.</p><p>they VERY CLEARLY state they intend to add them right back in as soon as they can "hold player-wide  poll" to work around it.</p></blockquote><p>This is correct, except that "intend" is too strong. We're definitely going to do the in-game polls, but then we'll base additions or changes on those poll results. We're not going to guess on power items any longer, and we need a more representative way to get opinions from players, so we're doing the in-game polls to get a true feel for what's desired.</p></blockquote><p>These polls need to be REQUIRED of players before they can get rid of the screen if it is a pop up screen in-game.</p><p>So many so-called poll results I have seen after the fact I wonder where the hell was my input? No where because I was not directly asked!</p>

Ansek
11-10-2011, 05:14 PM
<p>My main on Splitpaw is a ratonga necromancer. I also have a ratonga necromancer on Freeport - where I paid to unlock both the class and race.</p><p>Were I to go to Silver membership, would I need to pay to unlock ratongas and necromancers again in order to play my 'Paw ratty corpse-fiddler?</p>

Yimway
11-10-2011, 05:14 PM
<p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I do however have one very important question.  Seeing as I can by sub time with SC, can I gift it as well?</p></blockquote><p>Not yet, but only because Gifting doesn't (currently) allow items that apply to an entire account to be gifted. (You can only gift items that affect a specific character currently.)</p><p>This is definitely something we'd like to open up, but it will require code changes first.</p></blockquote><p>Thanks Smokie,  I really look forward to easy transactions of plat to game time in my near future!</p>

vochore
11-10-2011, 05:14 PM
<p><span >Gold memberships have been improved! They now have access to all races and classes (except the Freeblood race and the Beastlord class). (If you purchased a Race Pack in the 60 days before the launch of this transition, we will refund the Station Cash for that purchase.)</span></p><p>am i reading this rt or does this say that even after we buy the newest exp we will not be able to make a beastlord on launch day and start leveling up our new class or does this have nothing to do with the exp.</p><p>some clarification would help please or should i go and cancel my preoder collectors edition now.</p>

TalisX1
11-10-2011, 05:14 PM
<p><cite>screenid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>YO!!</p><p>I have 4 toons I copied from the Bazaar... they still exist on Both servers.  (My account)</p><p>Will it be possible to Merge my copied toons?  My Warden on Bazaar has all the cool things I collected over the years (<strong>that I could not copy over.... plus the 7 and upcoming 8 year vet reward) </strong>..My  copied Warden on EQ2X --who I have played for over a year is my main. They are the same toon just at different levels of development.  Can you merge them together   so I get everything my Bazaar toon owns but apply that to my  active version of him on Freeport?</p><p>-This goes for my NECRO, Mystic and Illusionist as well</p></blockquote><p>SJ has said you will keep both versions of your characters. They will remain seperate. But bazaar is being merged into Freeport according to SJ so you could trade all the items that are not no trade to your current main.</p><p>Silat</p>

Detor
11-10-2011, 05:17 PM
<p><cite>dankaro wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No livegamer anymore and no exchange server in it's place. I won't be back either guess i'll be off to Diablo 3.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, the merger of F2P with regular servers is fine, server mergers is fine, but losing Livegamer.  Losing one of MMO's ONLY legitimate and safe ways to buy or sell hurts.</p><p>You leave people no choice but to go to 3rd party sites like Playerauctions to buy and sell and even there they're pretty much limited to buying or selling pp only since you can't put heirloom items up there like you can on Livegamer. </p><p><strong>Can't you have Livegamer cover Freeport and make Livegamer access for buying/selling a Gold level perk please?</strong></p>

darwich
11-10-2011, 05:18 PM
my good thoughts are there will be more people playing.. bad thoughts... there will be more KIDS playing..

Golbezz
11-10-2011, 05:20 PM
<p><cite>[email protected]_old wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How many low/mid level PuGs did you find running around with Master spells and fabled gear?  PuG quality will be the same.  Anyone in the content that gear matters will be a sub anyway.</p></blockquote><p>I would say in the past as players locked for T4 BG's there were actually lots in high quality gear with masters but with BG's not being so popular now there probably aren't many. I haven't run a low level alt in pugs since very early DoV so I'm not really sure what the low end groups look like now.</p><p>Low level content doesn't really require great gear anyway, at the top end is where low quality gear would become a serious problem.</p>

theriatis
11-10-2011, 05:20 PM
<p>My only concern with Free2Play was the Power Items...</p><p>They're gone, hopefully for good, so... Thumbs up.</p><p>Regards, theriatis.</p>

Onorem
11-10-2011, 05:20 PM
<p><span ><p><span>"EQ2 is not a "free to play" game, so microtransactions are unlikely to ever have the "front seat" role that they have in F2P games" - SmokeJumper - 4/20/2010</span></p><p>A quote from your first post on these forums...</p><p>Are you finally willing to admit that you were brought here for a specific reason?</p></span></p><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Times change folks...</p></blockquote><p>Yes they do...and depending on how the changes go forward, I'm a fan of this in general.  I like FTP to a point. I hate the cash shop. Nothing that's been said in the last year makes me feel like trusting that the cash shop isn't going to go 'robust' on live servers soon.  I'd just like for SJ to finally admit (or deny one last time) that this was the long-term plan since he got here.</p><p>If many want a big store once you get around to surveying the population...something that you should've done a long time ago...please at least consider keeping one server cash shop free.</p><p>(I don't really think this post belongs here but the forum gods have deemed it related to only this thread.</p>

arvydys
11-10-2011, 05:22 PM
<p><cite>Ansek wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>My main on Splitpaw is a ratonga necromancer. I also have a ratonga necromancer on Freeport - where I paid to unlock both the class and race.</p><p>Were I to go to Silver membership, would I need to pay to unlock ratongas and necromancers again in order to play my 'Paw ratty corpse-fiddler?</p></blockquote><p>I would say with 99% certainty you wouldnt.  EQ2X and EQ2 are beign merged, everything you bought for X should carry over.</p>

Brigh
11-10-2011, 05:22 PM
<p><cite>Pewtriid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Gonna try this again, as my post was deleted because it contained "insults"....when there were no insults.</p><p><span><p>I was waiting impatiently for something awesome...like "This cashpack..I mean xpak...is only gonna run $9.95 if you pre-order, $19.95 if you wait."  But no.  I read SJ's post and felt tears come to my eyes.  The game I love to play has sold out.  Pay to win has won in this place. I won't be buying the barely more than a hotfix at 40 bucks per account.  I will not be renewing my accounts.  I probably won't even be playing much while my accounts tick down to their last moments.   Guess it's time to sell off my gear so I can give it to the guild and be done with it.   AsI have stated before here, I WILL NOT SUPPORT THE F2P MODEL.  I WILL *NOT* PLAY A F2P GAME, EVEN FREE.</p><p>As my last post here, Goodbye Norrath.  (And, no, it isn't /ragequit.  It's /sadquit)  We had a blast, but there isn't a point in going on now.</p><p>The sentence I deleted above simply stated that I felt this move is a mistake.  It is far less insulting than many posts on this thread, yet it was deleted....I guess having a negative opinion about this whole mess is not allowed.</p></span></p></blockquote><p><p><cite>Brigh wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>dawy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Account cancelled not for me me thinks</p><p>Had a blast EQ2 but this is the final straw</p><p>Roll on star wars TOR</p><p>A compitent MMO</p></blockquote><p>I will never understand thinking like this.</p><p>You need to read what the letter says, not what you think it says.</p><p>They already have been giving us different payment options that include a "weekend warrior" subscription model (3 days a week or month which ever it is), etc.</p><p>Now they are giving you more options AND giving all content up to SF for free. Once again I ask: How in the hell is that bad?!</p></blockquote></p><p>Another knee jerk reaction...</p><p>If you are already paying a sub on current live servers, you will just be considered "Gold".</p><p>People that CAN NOT AFFORD to pay monthly or only want to log in 3 days a month (the current weekend warrior type subscription model that has been offered for a long time) get to pay as they like for the content they only want to pay for.</p><p>/sigh</p>

Nrgy
11-10-2011, 05:23 PM
<p>As a Gold Member .. (do I need to pay Mike Myers a Royalty for that?) .. the first time I'm asked to cough up for a SC purchase for a Bag Slot or additional cap space on my coin in the bank I'm taking the first bus the freak outta here!! </p><p>F2P is a joke! ... There is nothing Free about it.  Great, marketing wise you can tell your potential customers they can try it for free and stay as long as they like for free .. its Free .. get them hooked young, officer Friendly, string them out.  *Ding level 10, ummm that will be 100SC if you want to hold more that 10g", "Ding level 11, ummm excuse me your out of space in your inventory, you can buy this cool bag of pppp for 200 SC".  How very Democratic ... give them enough to the point that they have to give it all back in spades... all the while saying its Free! when you know full well that F2P means more cash sales ... OMG I'm so blinded ... please, please , SOE tell me more .. do oyu have any swamp land I can buy?  I could use some swamp land, SJ said it was cool and I used my free swamp land already.</p><p>Can you please add a title or color to the Free and Silver memebers So I can recognize when their inventory is overflowing or they are ignoring my trades.  Oh!  Whats that?  .. you won something but can't actully loot it becasue you're not ?allowed? to use or hold Lego/Fabled items, huh?</p><p>I'm all for F2P, just please make Free/Silver level cap @ current content - ten, and keep "Them" as far away from me with their Wands of Obliterations .. or their Health pots... no thx .. nice PVP impact.  Are Wands of Obliteration allowed in raids?  Do Free members have the Bag space to even loot a full collection before turning it in.  Holy cow .. quest items filling up your inventory, loser .. L2BuySCItemsNoob!!</p>

arvydys
11-10-2011, 05:24 PM
<p><cite>Onorem wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span>"EQ2 is not a "free to play" game, so microtransactions are unlikely to ever have the "front seat" role that they have in F2P games" - SmokeJumper - 4/20/2010</span></p></blockquote><p>And Microtransactions still dont take the front seat, and more than likely never will.  They sure havent on EQ2X.  The front seat has always been about gold/platinum, not MTs.</p>

Ahlana
11-10-2011, 05:24 PM
<cite>vochore wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span >Gold memberships have been improved! They now have access to all races and classes (except the Freeblood race and the Beastlord class). (If you purchased a Race Pack in the 60 days before the launch of this transition, we will refund the Station Cash for that purchase.)</span></p><p> </p><p>am i reading this rt or does this say that even after we buy the newest exp we will not be able to make a beastlord on launch day and start leveling up our new class or does this have nothing to do with the exp.</p><p>some clarification would help please or should i go and cancel my preoder collectors edition now.</p></blockquote> beastlord is part of the new xpac.. as such you must buy the new xpac to get BL ... even if you are a gold member

Felshades
11-10-2011, 05:24 PM
<p>You still get beastlord if you buy the expansion.</p><p>EQ2 F2P subs have never gotten DoV, and still will not get DoV or AoD without seperate purchase, and unless one purchases AoD you won't get beast lords anyways so it makes sense.</p>

Zepor
11-10-2011, 05:27 PM
<p>I think there is a lot of mis-directed rage in this thread.</p><p>I can understand people not wanting EQ2 to go F2P, but I actually don't have any issues with it mself.  Doesn't hurt us and might bring more players on board.</p><p>I beleive what everyone is up in arms about is that this "expansion" is going to cost $40-$60.  I'm going to just cancel my two accounts rather than pay $80-$120 for a game update.</p>

Stormflint
11-10-2011, 05:27 PM
<p><span style="color: #888888;">What about All-Access? Yes, we are still "Gold", but since we "recurr", do we get free SC?</span></p>

arvydys
11-10-2011, 05:28 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I wonder if SJ knew the massive explosion this would cause on the forums when he hit the "enter" button on his announcement post lol. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>LOL, of course he did, the mods were lined up and ready, but its mostly a bunch of over-reaction that once it all runs in will really not impact your day to day gameplay at all other than more people will eventually make it to 90 on your server to group with.</p></blockquote><p>Ans this guy, who is one of the harshest posters on the forums towards the game, nails it.</p>

Detor
11-10-2011, 05:30 PM
<p><cite>Detor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>dankaro wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No livegamer anymore and no exchange server in it's place. I won't be back either guess i'll be off to Diablo 3.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, the merger of F2P with regular servers is fine, server mergers is fine, but losing Livegamer.  Losing one of MMO's ONLY legitimate and safe ways to buy or sell hurts.</p><p>You leave people no choice but to go to 3rd party sites like Playerauctions to buy and sell and even there they're pretty much limited to buying or selling pp only since you can't put heirloom items up there like you can on Livegamer. </p><p><strong>Can't you have Livegamer cover Freeport and make Livegamer access for buying/selling a Gold level perk please?</strong></p></blockquote><p>Plus some other questions comes to mind - what if you've bought Velious, but don't maintain your gold subscription?  Are you still able to access the expansion you bought or are you reduced down to SF and under?  What if you resubscribe later? Do you get access to Velious back right away?  If you log in and are not Gold does it throw all your legendary and fabled items into overflow?  Do you buy bag slots or do you have to be gold for more than 2 bags?   Is it true or not that free can't hold more than 10 gold?  Do you have to be gold to have more than that or is that something you again pay for one time?</p>

Castigeer
11-10-2011, 05:30 PM
<p>So how does transforming the old 'LIVE' servers into EQ2X-like servers increase populations?</p><p>Those that wanted to try EQ2 or play on the F2P server (EQ2X) have had that option for awhile.  The population on Freeport has been very good but has never exploded to the point where they needed to create another EQ2X server.  So now you're adding a ton more EQ2X servers and you think populations will go up?</p><p>I fully AGREE with the changes that are being made to the subscriptions.  But in order to increase the player populations I still believe they need to do a LOT MORE SERVER MERGES.</p>

ranga
11-10-2011, 05:30 PM
<p><cite>Zepor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think there is a lot of mis-directed rage in this thread.</p><p>I can understand people not wanting EQ2 to go F2P, but I actually don't have any issues with it mself.  Doesn't hurt us and might bring more players on board.</p><p>I beleive what everyone is up in arms about is that this "expansion" is going to cost $40-$60.  I'm going to just cancel my two accounts rather than pay $80-$120 for a game update.</p></blockquote><p>Precisely. Too much emphasis on F2P or MT here. No one forces you to buy any sc but they are forcing us to buy 2 expacs in a year.</p>

Neskonlith
11-10-2011, 05:30 PM
<p>$40 for AoD sounds too high for what's being offered.</p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" /></p>

kaboro
11-10-2011, 05:31 PM
<p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is absolutely terrible news! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>This was my first thought when i recovered from the shock of reading it.</p><p>After swg now this, its like someone hit me with a hammer over the head. EQ2 was my last refuge from the f2p metastasis killing the mmo world.</p><p>But...i took a deep breath and preordered AoD, my last act of confidence in EQ2 and SoE.</p><p>The one thing that worries me the most is the crowds of free players jumping happily around...oh the horror.</p><p>I hope i wont have to look for another hobby, mmos suited me just fine <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p><p>I will wait and see exactly how this affects me and my playstyle before any further comments.</p><p><span style="color: #ffff00;">*edited to remove forum violation*</span></p>

Alletris
11-10-2011, 05:32 PM
<p>You say our all access accounts are just gold.  But what happens to our characters over that 7 limit, do we lose them?  That can't be, we've paid 29.95 for those accounts for years until just recently when you lowered it.  We need more information about our all access account characters</p>

Gungo
11-10-2011, 05:32 PM
<p>I am sure this is mentioned somewhere what happens with people with 2 of the same exact copied toons?</p>

Errrorr
11-10-2011, 05:33 PM
<p>I like this change, if it increases population, anybody currently on Live servers can benefit from it really.</p><p>I'd like to make one suggestion though.</p><p>Coming from an EU server, Splitpaw suffers from lower population than a lot of servers, and at the moment how it is, groups are difficult to come by. As a solution, I bet there are a fair few EU players on the Freeport Server, who have the same situation, allow them to move to Splitpaw, and allow both communities of EU players to have a well populated server.</p>

Nrgy
11-10-2011, 05:34 PM
<p><cite>Virrago wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>This post has moved:<a rel="nofollow" href="/eq2/posts/preList.m?topic_id=445148&post_id=5655394" target="_blank">/eq2/posts/preList.m?topic_id=44514...post_id=5655394</a>Please post in the Non-Gameplay forum if you wish to discuss other games</blockquote><p>Its not that I mind being modded .. nor am I questioning mods action or pointing out specific grevienece ... but where is the consistancy .. the integrity .. the principles?  Why bounce one and ignore the dozens of others ... Is it becasue the others are less offensive?  Is it becasue they are ignored .. or posted by F&F? </p><p>I mean just becasue this post (below) is favorable it takes about development and business models of MULTIPLE other direct competitors .. yet it still remains on the forum ... I am confused..</p><p><cite>[email protected]_old wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>1.  This is coming from a guy whose game intoduced the $25 mount concept.  Even SoE has their moutns cheaper now <p>2.  Hes also implemented a way to make a B2P game into an enormous cash cow for the company (<span style="color: #ff0000;">D3</span> AH), which is taking a page form SoE's playbook actually but the sheer volume of <span style="color: #ff0000;">D3</span> transactions will dwarf anything that happened with SoEs experiment</p><p>3.  <span style="color: #ff0000;">WoW </span>has an extremely slow development cycle</p><p>4.  Player housing and better ivnentory mangement (shared bank slots, bigger starter bag) arent implemented because they arent cost effective...EQ2 has the most robust housing on the market and probably the most inventory storage</p><p>5. So his 'paying 15 dollars' (and cash shop) is supposed to get this superior experience you cant get anywhere else...Im just not seeing it.</p><p>I think the way SoE and <span style="color: #ff0000;">Turbine</span> are doing it is what well see in the future (f2p option or p2p option with fluff cash shop).  The thing thats scary about that is that development slowed to a crawl for <span style="color: #ff0000;">LOTRO </span>when it went F2P.  Slowed down pretty much for SoE too, but once this is finalized and the Qeynos revamp done they better bust their arses.</p></blockquote>

arvydys
11-10-2011, 05:34 PM
<p><cite>Castigeer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So how does transforming the old 'LIVE' servers into EQ2X-like servers increase populations?</p><p>Those that wanted to try EQ2 or play on the F2P server (EQ2X) have had that option for awhile.  The population on Freeport has been very good but has never exploded to the point where they needed to create another EQ2X server.  So now you're adding a ton more EQ2X servers and you think populations will go up?</p><p>I fully AGREE with the changes that are being made to the subscriptions.  But in order to increase the player populations I still believe they need to do a LOT MORE SERVER MERGES.</p></blockquote><p>There are a lot of potential customers out there right now.  All those people that quit WoW and Rift might not want to go to a sci fi game, and since EQ2 is a bit different from WoW and Rift they may come here.  SoE needs to do some advertising, not their strongest point.</p><p>Server merges wouldnt be bad.  Worst case scenario they can open up a new one which would be its own little burst of activity.  Fresh servers always have a certain allure to them.</p>

Yimway
11-10-2011, 05:34 PM
<p><cite>Castigeer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I fully AGREE with the changes that are being made to the subscriptions.  But in order to increase the player populations I still believe they need to do a LOT MORE SERVER MERGES.</p></blockquote><p>I think this is a topic we'll be looking at 3 months out or so.  I think they'll open up transfers off freeport, and as heavily loaded as it is, we'll see people popping over (or just re-rolling) on our servers.</p><p>They wouldn't want to lose that revenue of those willing to pay for moves first, then evaluate numbers and decide if a merger is needed or just some free transfer tokens offered on specific servers.</p>

Golbezz
11-10-2011, 05:36 PM
<p><cite>[email protected]_old wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Server merges wouldnt be bad.  Worst case scenario they can open up a new one which would be its own little burst of activity.  Fresh servers always have a certain allure to them.</p></blockquote><p>Especially if they are a progression server.</p>

yohann koldheart
11-10-2011, 05:37 PM
<p><cite>TalisX1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>screenid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>YO!!</p><p>I have 4 toons I copied from the Bazaar... they still exist on Both servers.  (My account)</p><p>Will it be possible to Merge my copied toons?  My Warden on Bazaar has all the cool things I collected over the years (<strong>that I could not copy over.... plus the 7 and upcoming 8 year vet reward) </strong>..My  copied Warden on EQ2X --who I have played for over a year is my main. They are the same toon just at different levels of development.  Can you merge them together   so I get everything my Bazaar toon owns but apply that to my  active version of him on Freeport?</p><p>-This goes for my NECRO, Mystic and Illusionist as well</p></blockquote><p>SJ has said you will keep both versions of your characters. They will remain seperate. But bazaar is being merged into Freeport according to SJ so you could trade all the items that are not no trade to your current main.</p><p>Silat</p></blockquote><p>whare did sj say bazaar was being merged to freeport?</p>

Yimway
11-10-2011, 05:38 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am sure this is mentioned somewhere what happens with people with 2 of the same exact copied toons?</p></blockquote><p>I assume copied toons will have to be flagged as non-moveable, or freeport will simply never allow moves off of it?</p>

Elspith
11-10-2011, 05:38 PM
<p>I currently have 6 characters on Freeport and 6 characters on AB.  I have the access sub.  I have never 'purchased' any slots.  When this merge happens, do I lose half of my characters so that I am within the allowed slots?</p><p>I really hope not <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p>

arvydys
11-10-2011, 05:41 PM
<p><cite>Golbezz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected]_old wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Server merges wouldnt be bad.  Worst case scenario they can open up a new one which would be its own little burst of activity.  Fresh servers always have a certain allure to them.</p></blockquote><p>Especially if they are a progression server.</p></blockquote><p>It would be interesting.  the difference here is that in EQ1 most people agree that original, kunark, and velious are the best 3 expansions.  Here I think youll find the most popular time frame to be KoS, EoF and RoK</p>

Nolrog
11-10-2011, 05:42 PM
<p><cite>darwich wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>my good thoughts are there will be more people playing.. bad thoughts... there will be more KIDS playing..</blockquote><p>You can purchase extra /ignore slots for station cash.</p><p>/em ducks</p>

Castigeer
11-10-2011, 05:44 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Castigeer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I fully AGREE with the changes that are being made to the subscriptions.  But in order to increase the player populations I still believe they need to do a LOT MORE SERVER MERGES.</p></blockquote><p>I think this is a topic we'll be looking at 3 months out or so.  I think they'll open up transfers off freeport, and as heavily loaded as it is, we'll see people popping over (or just re-rolling) on our servers.</p><p>They wouldn't want to lose that revenue of those willing to pay for moves first, then evaluate numbers and decide if a merger is needed or just some free transfer tokens offered on specific servers.</p></blockquote><p>I used to play on Permafrost, then moved to Freeport/EQ2X over a year ago.  It's a robust and FULL population but it is in no way over-loaded.  It has just enough to make the LFG and Dungeon Finder tool viable.  There's no way any player on Freeport would want to transfer to a ghost-town server.  And let's be totally honest here... any server not named 'Freeport' is a ghost-town server.</p>

TalisX1
11-10-2011, 05:45 PM
<p><cite>Elspith wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I currently have 6 characters on Freeport and 6 characters on AB.  I have the access sub.  I have never 'purchased' any slots.  When this merge happens, do I lose half of my characters so that I am within the allowed slots?</p><p>I really hope not <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Answered in another thread. You will have access to 7 slots only if you have not purchased extra slots. So yes you will not have access to all of your characters after the merge.</p><p>Silat</p>

Asif
11-10-2011, 05:45 PM
<p><cite>[email protected]_old wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Making EQ2 Free 2 Play is just an all around excellent decision.  There is no valid reason for ANYONE to be upset about EQ2 going Free 2 Play in full, and thus, merging the player base into a single service, full capable of mingling and improving server populations across the board.  </p><p>  </p></blockquote><p>Crabbok has it right here how can it be bad having a bigger player base on severs.</p>

EQ2Playa432
11-10-2011, 05:46 PM
<p><cite>Castigeer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Castigeer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I fully AGREE with the changes that are being made to the subscriptions.  But in order to increase the player populations I still believe they need to do a LOT MORE SERVER MERGES.</p></blockquote><p>I think this is a topic we'll be looking at 3 months out or so.  I think they'll open up transfers off freeport, and as heavily loaded as it is, we'll see people popping over (or just re-rolling) on our servers.</p><p>They wouldn't want to lose that revenue of those willing to pay for moves first, then evaluate numbers and decide if a merger is needed or just some free transfer tokens offered on specific servers.</p></blockquote><p>I used to play on Permafrost, then moved to Freeport/EQ2X over a year ago.  It's a robust and FULL population but it is in no way over-loaded.  It has just enough to make the LFG and Dungeon Finder tool viable.  There's no way any player on Freeport would want to transfer to a ghost-town server.  And let's be totally honest here... any server not named 'Freeport' is a ghost-town server.</p></blockquote><p>It will be interesting to see how the former Live players - that have been on EQ2X - move around after all EQ2 goes F2P.</p>

yohann koldheart
11-10-2011, 05:46 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong><span style="font-size: medium; color: #ff0000;">GREAT NEWS!!</span></strong></p><p>Finding a group has been SO DIFFICULT lately even on AB.  Bring in the new players.. I don't care if they paid for some of their gear on the F2P servers since we're coming into a new expansion anyway.</p></blockquote><p>they arent bringing in any new players to AB , they are making it F2P. they arent merging anything to AB or anything lol</p>

TalisX1
11-10-2011, 05:47 PM
<p><cite>yohann koldheart wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TalisX1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>screenid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>YO!!</p><p>I have 4 toons I copied from the Bazaar... they still exist on Both servers.  (My account)</p><p>Will it be possible to Merge my copied toons?  My Warden on Bazaar has all the cool things I collected over the years (<strong>that I could not copy over.... plus the 7 and upcoming 8 year vet reward) </strong>..My  copied Warden on EQ2X --who I have played for over a year is my main. They are the same toon just at different levels of development.  Can you merge them together   so I get everything my Bazaar toon owns but apply that to my  active version of him on Freeport?</p><p>-This goes for my NECRO, Mystic and Illusionist as well</p></blockquote><p>SJ has said you will keep both versions of your characters. They will remain seperate. But bazaar is being merged into Freeport according to SJ so you could trade all the items that are not no trade to your current main.</p><p>Silat</p></blockquote><p>whare did sj say bazaar was being merged to freeport?</p></blockquote><p> <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=509054">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=509054</a> </p><p>In the section about live gamer.</p><p>Silat</p>

Shaolin Sam
11-10-2011, 05:47 PM
<p><cite>EQ2Playa432 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Castigeer wrote:</cite>It will be interesting to see how the former Live players - that have been on EQ2X - move around after all EQ2 goes F2P.</p></blockquote><p>I'll be interesting to see how many of the current "P2P players" hang around after this goes into effect. Heh.</p>

Brigh
11-10-2011, 05:49 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am sure this is mentioned somewhere what happens with people with 2 of the same exact copied toons?</p></blockquote><p>SJ already replied in this thread.</p>

Marnus
11-10-2011, 05:49 PM
<p>While i agree that the price seems a bit high, i can't honestly say i wont pay it lol, if only for the beastlord class. I guess its all about "how much is it worth it to you"? For me, i'm a casual player, so i could care less about max aa's, and i have no desire to build my own dungeon, and reforging i could care less about. But thats just me-if they were selling the bst class on the marketplace for 50 bucks, i would buy that instead of the expansion. But like i said, if the bst class doesnt interest you, i personally dont see the value in paying that price for an expansion with no new content, other than the extra aa, and byod, etc.</p>

arvydys
11-10-2011, 05:49 PM
<p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>EQ2Playa432 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Castigeer wrote:</cite>It will be interesting to see how the former Live players - that have been on EQ2X - move around after all EQ2 goes F2P.</p></blockquote><p>I'll be interesting to see how many of the current "P2P players" hang around after this goes into effect. Heh.</p></blockquote><p>95% of them?  Sure some of the idiots will leave because of this, but they wont be missed.</p><p>Now, the expansion pricing is a different matter entirely...</p>

Detor
11-10-2011, 05:50 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am sure this is mentioned somewhere what happens with people with 2 of the same exact copied toons?</p></blockquote><p>I assume copied toons will have to be flagged as non-moveable, or freeport will simply never allow moves off of it?</p></blockquote><p>They have to let moves happen off it, or you'll NEVER hear the complaining stop from those that get forcibly merged from The Bazaar.  To not allow transfers off Freeport would be akin to saying 'Hey, if you agree to let me kick you in the crotch (get rid of Livegamer), I promise to punch you when you fall to the ground! (not let people transfer where they want to be)'</p>

lazlo1
11-10-2011, 05:52 PM
<p>I dont understand why we need to buy AoD if EQ2 is going F2P.  Isnt F2P no up front ?</p>

TalisX1
11-10-2011, 05:53 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I dont understand why we need to buy AoD if EQ2 is going F2P.  Isnt F2P no up front ?</p></blockquote><p>Yes. No up front cost.</p><p>But not the full game either. To SF only.</p><p>Silat</p>

Golbezz
11-10-2011, 05:53 PM
<p><cite>Detor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>They have to let moves happen off it, or you'll NEVER hear the complaining stop from those that get forcibly merged from The Bazaar.  To not allow transfers off Freeport would be akin to saying 'Hey, if you agree to let me kick you in the crotch (get rid of Livegamer), I promise to punch you when you fall to the ground! (not let people transfer where they want to be)'</p></blockquote><p>There will be far more complaining from the servers NOT wanting to deal with exchange purchased plat/characters/items moving to their servers.</p>

TalisX1
11-10-2011, 05:55 PM
<p><cite>Golbezz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Detor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>They have to let moves happen off it, or you'll NEVER hear the complaining stop from those that get forcibly merged from The Bazaar.  To not allow transfers off Freeport would be akin to saying 'Hey, if you agree to let me kick you in the crotch (get rid of Livegamer), I promise to punch you when you fall to the ground! (not let people transfer where they want to be)'</p></blockquote><p>There will be far more complaining from the servers NOT wanting to deal with exchange purchased plat/characters/items moving to their servers.</p></blockquote><p>I'm sure the logic there is that the 30 accounts from vox going to naggy will not affect much and the bazaar ones going to freeport...well on freeport you could by extra stuff too.</p><p>Silat</p>

Calthine
11-10-2011, 05:55 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I dont understand why we need to buy AoD if EQ2 is going F2P.  Isnt F2P no up front ?</p></blockquote><p>Bronze membership (free) gets the base game through Sentinel's Fate.  <a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/Membership_Matrix_%28EQ2%29" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/Membership_...atrix_%28EQ2%29</a></p>

Gorpier
11-10-2011, 05:56 PM
<p>I asked earlier but it got covered by other posts.  In one of the posts on the main page it says freebloods & beastlords will not be included in the gold price then goes on to say if the character packs were bought within 60 days of the changes taking affect, monies will be refunded.  Does that mean those of us who currently have Freeblood characters and paid for the character pack will lose those entirely?  Are they still going to be made available for repurchase or are they going away?  I just want to know if the money I spent to buy them is going to be ignored so that I have to buy them again?</p>

ranga
11-10-2011, 05:57 PM
<p><cite>CeJae wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ranga wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well looks like the complaint will be ignored so I'll ask a direct question...</p><p>Will you make AoD free for purchasers of DoV with accounts in good standing.</p><p>I strongly object to being asked to pay twice in a year plus a subscription.</p></blockquote><p>No, they won't.</p></blockquote><p>Thanks for the input but as you are not a red name, I'd be grateful if Smoke would answer it.</p>

EQ2Playa432
11-10-2011, 05:58 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I dont understand why we need to buy AoD if EQ2 is going F2P.  Isnt F2P no up front ?</p></blockquote><p>AoD is all features. It's what the F2P microtransaction is all about, unfortunately they don't want to make it a la carte and instead area charging the high $40 for the whole expansion.</p>

Calthine
11-10-2011, 05:58 PM
<p><cite>Gorpier wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I asked earlier but it got covered by other posts.  In one of the posts on the main page it says freebloods & beastlords will not be included in the gold price then goes on to say if the character packs were bought within 60 days of the changes taking affect, monies will be refunded.  Does that mean those of us who currently have Freeblood characters and paid for the character pack will lose those entirely?  Are they still going to be made available for repurchase or are they going away?  I just want to know if the money I spent to buy them is going to be ignored so that I have to buy them again?</p></blockquote><p>The way it reads, anything you have right now you will have after the change.  Character slots, races, power items from the cash shop.  The subscription/membership may change, but they're not taking anything away you've already paid for.</p>

BChizzle
11-10-2011, 05:58 PM
<p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>yagsfan wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If I'm understanding the matrix correctly, with the gold membership I'll be allowed 7 characters.  What will happen with the other five toons that I currently play?  (Yes, I currently have a total of twelve toons...I purchased the extra character slots through the marketplace or won them through LON loot cards.)  And will we still be able to purchase more slots if we so desire?  What can I say...I have multiple personality disorder?  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>If you purchased character slots, you'll still have them. No worries.</p><p>The only tricky bit is if you purchased character slots on *both* EQII Live and EQ2X servers (only a handful of people did this). In that case, you will still get all the slots you had purchased. Here's an example for clarity:</p><ul><li>You purchased four slots on AB. (7 + 4 = 11 total slots)</li><li>You then purchased five slots on Freeport. (7 + 5 = 12 total slots)</li><li>Then after the free-to-play conversion, you would have (7 + 4 + 5 = 16) slots available at your disposal when you log in.</li></ul></blockquote><p>That is not acceptable, if you merge the games I better have access to all my characters without having to pay more money, I already paid $30x4 a copy for eq2x plus I paid for some additional character slots I don't expect to lose access to those guys.</p>

Shaolin Sam
11-10-2011, 05:59 PM
<p><cite>EQ2Playa432 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>AoD is all features. It's what the F2P microtransaction is all about, unfortunately they don't want to make it a la carte and instead area charging the high $40 for the whole expansion.</blockquote></blockquote><p>Exactly correct. Hammer meet nail.</p>

Nolrog
11-10-2011, 06:01 PM
<p><cite>Zepor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I beleive what everyone is up in arms about is that this "expansion" is going to cost $40-$60.  I'm going to just cancel my two accounts rather than pay $80-$120 for a game update.</blockquote><p>Personally, I'm just not going to purchase it. </p>

bagup
11-10-2011, 06:03 PM
<p><cite>Golbezz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected]_old wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How many low/mid level PuGs did you find running around with Master spells and fabled gear?  PuG quality will be the same.  Anyone in the content that gear matters will be a sub anyway.</p></blockquote><p>I would say in the past as players locked for T4 BG's there were actually lots in high quality gear with masters but with BG's not being so popular now there probably aren't many. I haven't run a low level alt in pugs since very early DoV so I'm not really sure what the low end groups look like now.</p><p>Low level content doesn't really require great gear anyway, at the top end is where low quality gear would become a serious problem.</p></blockquote><p>yes still a concern , i play on ab and there are LOTS of progression guilds that lock at lvls 50/60/70/80   and what lvl can these free players attain? 90 ?   if its 90 then thats even more cause for concern</p><p>but as stated elsewhere , i would like the "free players" to have a different colour name or somethign which we can identify them and at least if we so choose, not group with them</p>

Gorpier
11-10-2011, 06:03 PM
<p><cite>Nolrog wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Zepor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I beleive what everyone is up in arms about is that this "expansion" is going to cost $40-$60.  I'm going to just cancel my two accounts rather than pay $80-$120 for a game update.</blockquote><p>Personally, I'm just not going to purchase it.</p></blockquote><p>Same.  This 'expansion' has about the amount of content that the old 10 dollar adventure packs had, but the fee is 40+.  Not that interested in Beastlords, apprentices and a handfull of aa to pay expansion prices for an adventure pack myself.</p>

bagup
11-10-2011, 06:05 PM
<p><cite>Gorpier wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I asked earlier but it got covered by other posts.  In one of the posts on the main page it says freebloods & beastlords will not be included in the gold price then goes on to say if the character packs were bought within 60 days of the changes taking affect, monies will be refunded.  Does that mean those of us who currently have Freeblood characters and paid for the character pack will lose those entirely?  Are they still going to be made available for repurchase or are they going away?  I just want to know if the money I spent to buy them is going to be ignored so that I have to buy them again?</p></blockquote>

EQPrime
11-10-2011, 06:07 PM
<p><cite>Gorpier wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Same.  This 'expansion' has about the amount of content that the old 10 dollar adventure packs had, but the fee is 40+.  Not that interested in Beastlords, apprentices and a handfull of aa to pay expansion prices for an adventure pack myself.</p></blockquote><p>This is way worse than those old adventure packs.  Mara was actually decent!  Splitpaw was OK.  The d'morte thing was horrible but still provided more content than the upcoming "expansion".</p>

ranga
11-10-2011, 06:08 PM
<p>This announcement and the resulting threads are prime reasons why the KISS principle exists.</p><p>It is such a mish-mash of complaints and concerns around a dozen issues, each of them deserving a thread of their own.</p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" /></p>

Marnus
11-10-2011, 06:09 PM
<p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>yagsfan wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If I'm understanding the matrix correctly, with the gold membership I'll be allowed 7 characters.  What will happen with the other five toons that I currently play?  (Yes, I currently have a total of twelve toons...I purchased the extra character slots through the marketplace or won them through LON loot cards.)  And will we still be able to purchase more slots if we so desire?  What can I say...I have multiple personality disorder?  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>If you purchased character slots, you'll still have them. No worries.</p><p>The only tricky bit is if you purchased character slots on *both* EQII Live and EQ2X servers (only a handful of people did this). In that case, you will still get all the slots you had purchased. Here's an example for clarity:</p><ul><li>You purchased four slots on AB. (7 + 4 = 11 total slots)</li><li>You then purchased five slots on Freeport. (7 + 5 = 12 total slots)</li><li>Then after the free-to-play conversion, you would have (7 + 4 + 5 = 16) slots available at your disposal when you log in.</li></ul></blockquote><p>That is not acceptable, if you merge the games I better have access to all my characters without having to pay more money, I already paid $30x4 a copy for eq2x plus I paid for some additional character slots I don't expect to lose access to those guys.</p></blockquote><p>I agree-it was stated earlier when i asked about having duplicate characters on eq2x, that they would be available to me on the freeport server as well as on the ab server, and have veteran rewards associated with my account-so the catch is, that they will be available, but only if i shell out the money for more character slots to make the fp toons accessible? So not only did i waste money duplicating them to a server thats going to be "rejoined" into the live version of eq, but now i have to come up with 10 bucks per character to be able to play them? I feel that at the LEAST people who have paid for character copies in the past 6 months should be given a refund as well.</p>

Brigh
11-10-2011, 06:09 PM
<p><cite>bagup wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Golbezz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected]_old wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How many low/mid level PuGs did you find running around with Master spells and fabled gear?  PuG quality will be the same.  Anyone in the content that gear matters will be a sub anyway.</p></blockquote><p>I would say in the past as players locked for T4 BG's there were actually lots in high quality gear with masters but with BG's not being so popular now there probably aren't many. I haven't run a low level alt in pugs since very early DoV so I'm not really sure what the low end groups look like now.</p><p>Low level content doesn't really require great gear anyway, at the top end is where low quality gear would become a serious problem.</p></blockquote><p>yes still a concern , i play on ab and there are LOTS of progression guilds that lock at lvls 50/60/70/80   and what lvl can these free players attain? 90 ?   if its 90 then thats even more cause for concern</p><p>but as stated elsewhere , <span style="color: #ff6600;">i would like the "free players" to have a different colour name or somethign which we can identify them and at least if we so choose, not group with them</span></p></blockquote><p>Economic profiling eh?</p>

Tylia
11-10-2011, 06:10 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Any chance we can pay a smaller fee for the AA increase or just get it free outright? otherwise you are going to have a lot of disgruntled raiders and min/maxers having to pay full xpac price for one feature. i mean if EQ2 is going to start leaning harder on the microtransaction/station store anyway.</p></blockquote><p>Mr. Smokejumper, can you please take this idea under consideration?  There are those (such as myself) who have no interest at all in the rest of the features of the expansion, but the AA increase will most certainly be a "preferred requirement" to a raid force.  These are tough economic times, and while my budget allows the cost of 2 monthly subscriptions (mine and hubby's), I can hardly justify spending $80 (again this year) for an expansion that is mostly useless to us.  To me, it just doesn't make sense that this "expansion" is being sold for the same price as past ones that contained so much more (ie: content).</p><p>Just a (hopeful) thought.</p>

arvydys
11-10-2011, 06:10 PM
<p><cite>bagup wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Golbezz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected]_old wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How many low/mid level PuGs did you find running around with Master spells and fabled gear?  PuG quality will be the same.  Anyone in the content that gear matters will be a sub anyway.</p></blockquote><p>I would say in the past as players locked for T4 BG's there were actually lots in high quality gear with masters but with BG's not being so popular now there probably aren't many. I haven't run a low level alt in pugs since very early DoV so I'm not really sure what the low end groups look like now.</p><p>Low level content doesn't really require great gear anyway, at the top end is where low quality gear would become a serious problem.</p></blockquote><p>yes still a concern , i play on ab and there are LOTS of progression guilds that lock at lvls 50/60/70/80   and what lvl can these free players attain? 90 ?   if its 90 then thats even more cause for concern</p><p>but as stated elsewhere , i would like the "free players" to have a different colour name or somethign which we can identify them and at least if we so choose, not group with them</p></blockquote><p>They have access to MC and Expert, which is more than enough gear for any content up to level 80, as long as they keep up with their AAs.  The free players can hit 90 but dont have access to DoV so you wont have to worry about them in groups where gear matters.  Plus, they will likely have decent gear and spells if they get that high through the unlockers.</p><p>The system is designed to get people hooked on the game and then go gold, I doubt there are that many bronze/silver 90s around.</p>

Melanchol
11-10-2011, 06:10 PM
if you like raiding, i weep for your future.

Gorpier
11-10-2011, 06:10 PM
<p><cite>ranga wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This announcement and the resulting threads are prime reasons why the KISS principle exists.</p><p>It is such a mish-mash of complaints and concerns around a dozen issues, each of them deserving a thread of their own.</p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Aye, I agree, each of these should have their own thread since none of them are really the same question and so many are getting lost.  That said, anything that has a remote tie to the 'big news' is being locked and redirected to this one.  *shrug*</p>

Brigh
11-10-2011, 06:12 PM
For the listed amount of features for this GU62, it is sounding like the mistake CCP made with their "Incarna" "expansion" several months ago. At least we don't have to pay for them in Eve.

Yimway
11-10-2011, 06:14 PM
<p><cite>Castigeer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I used to play on Permafrost, then moved to Freeport/EQ2X over a year ago.  It's a robust and FULL population but it is in no way over-loaded.  It has just enough to make the LFG and Dungeon Finder tool viable.  There's no way any player on Freeport would want to transfer to a ghost-town server.  And let's be totally honest here... any server not named 'Freeport' is a ghost-town server.</p></blockquote><p>While I don't doubt you, there are also alot of performance concerns raised by players on Freeport, I surmise they are likely not playing at the same tier as you are though.  BTW, almost every other server lacks enough for DF to work.</p>

arvydys
11-10-2011, 06:14 PM
<p>My solution to characters on live + characters on freeport > 7:  </p><p>allow all characters created prior to today to be used.  If they are deleted they lose that slot until they get back down to 7 (ie want a beast lord?  purchase a slot or delete to under 7 toons)</p>

Coopendor
11-10-2011, 06:14 PM
<p>I for one am a VERY HAPPY NORRATHIAN  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />.   I play on The Bazaar (only because I did not realize what an exchange server was at the time I started playing nearly 7 years ago).  I have recently lost a lot of freinds to more populated servers because I did not want to either pay the costly transfer fee or because I did not want to start a brand new toon all the way from the beginning ( I love the toons I have leveled and do not wish to start another).</p><p>Now I need to get in touch those old freinds and decide wether to switch servers or stay with The Bazaar now that there will be a population again <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

Wookin
11-10-2011, 06:14 PM
Easier to delete and ban in a single thread? The price on that "expansion" is ridiculous. I'm saving my remaining sc to buy wands of kill raid mobs when they come back.

ranga
11-10-2011, 06:15 PM
<p><cite>Gorpier wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ranga wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This announcement and the resulting threads are prime reasons why the KISS principle exists.</p><p>It is such a mish-mash of complaints and concerns around a dozen issues, each of them deserving a thread of their own.</p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Aye, I agree, each of these should have their own thread since none of them are really the same question and so many are getting lost.  That said, anything that has a remote tie to the 'big news' is being locked and redirected to this one.  *shrug*</p></blockquote><p>Working as intended <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>This way it can all be ignored</p>

bagup
11-10-2011, 06:15 PM
<p><cite>Brigh wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>bagup wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Golbezz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected]_old wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How many low/mid level PuGs did you find running around with Master spells and fabled gear?  PuG quality will be the same.  Anyone in the content that gear matters will be a sub anyway.</p></blockquote><p>I would say in the past as players locked for T4 BG's there were actually lots in high quality gear with masters but with BG's not being so popular now there probably aren't many. I haven't run a low level alt in pugs since very early DoV so I'm not really sure what the low end groups look like now.</p><p>Low level content doesn't really require great gear anyway, at the top end is where low quality gear would become a serious problem.</p></blockquote><p>yes still a concern , i play on ab and there are LOTS of progression guilds that lock at lvls 50/60/70/80   and what lvl can these free players attain? 90 ?   if its 90 then thats even more cause for concern</p><p>but as stated elsewhere , <span style="color: #ff6600;">i would like the "free players" to have a different colour name or somethign which we can identify them and at least if we so choose, not group with them</span></p></blockquote><p>Economic profiling eh?</p></blockquote><p>im not clevererer enough to know what that means, but to me it means im payign $15 a month  i wanna be able to grp with people who can do dps the same as me or heal the same as me or tank and not get me killed</p>

arvydys
11-10-2011, 06:16 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Castigeer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I used to play on Permafrost, then moved to Freeport/EQ2X over a year ago.  It's a robust and FULL population but it is in no way over-loaded.  It has just enough to make the LFG and Dungeon Finder tool viable.  There's no way any player on Freeport would want to transfer to a ghost-town server.  And let's be totally honest here... any server not named 'Freeport' is a ghost-town server.</p></blockquote><p>While I don't doubt you, there are also alot of performance concerns raised by players on Freeport, I surmise they are likely not playing at the same tier as you are though.  BTW, almost every other server lacks enough for DF to work.</p></blockquote><p>AB has enough for DF to work, but after the initial snafu with DF people just dont use it.  Much easier to recruit in channels.</p>

Marnus
11-10-2011, 06:17 PM
<p><cite>[email protected]_old wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>My solution to characters on live + characters on freeport > 7:  </p><p>allow all characters created prior to today to be used.  If they are deleted they lose that slot until they get back down to 7 (ie want a beast lord?  purchase a slot or delete to under 7 toons)</p></blockquote><p>I agree-don't punish people who paid for char copies by making their characters unplayable if they go over the limit</p>

arvydys
11-10-2011, 06:18 PM
<p><cite>bagup wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>im not clevererer enough to know what that means, but to me it means im payign $15 a month  i wanna be able to grp with people who can do dps the same as me or heal the same as me or tank and not get me killed</p></blockquote><p>Free players cant access DoV.  Everything else they have enough gear to be able to do.  Membership level doesnt display skill or dedication, so its worthless in determining what you want it to determine.</p>

Iamken
11-10-2011, 06:21 PM
<p>I'm a long-time recurring sub member and I'm fine with this. I was hoping they would have done this a while ago instead of making eq2x. Keep up the good work! =)</p>

Shaolin Sam
11-10-2011, 06:22 PM
<p>I'm a long-time recurring sub member and I'm NOT fine with this. I was hoping they would never do this as Smedley said we'd never have RMT and Smokejumper said we'd never go F2P. Keep up the good work! =)</p>

Hirofortis
11-10-2011, 06:23 PM
<p>I like the idea here.  The F2P move has been needed for awhile.  I am glad the levels were revamped as the EQ2X ones were horrible.  Now all I want to know is if the expansion can be preordereed on the marketplace.</p>

technologically
11-10-2011, 06:25 PM
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">LOL</span></p><p>So even though they didn't mention the closing of the recruit a friend program in the big announcement, the mod's are telling me this is where to talk about it.   Why don't they just open a single Complaints thread, so they only have to ignore one thread.</p>

Calthine
11-10-2011, 06:27 PM
<p><cite>technologically wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium;">LOL</span></p><p>So even though they didn't mention the closing of the recruit a friend program in the big announcement, the mod's are telling me this is where to talk about it.   Why don't they just open a single Complaints thread, so they only have to ignore one thread.</p></blockquote><p>I don't think losing RAF is such a big deal any more, when there's essentially a permanent free trial.</p>

Dreyco
11-10-2011, 06:27 PM
<p>Hmm...</p><p>Let's see...</p><p>-Something they should have done from the onset.</p><p>-More benefit for having a subscription (free fluff that i had to pay extra for before).</p><p>-More people logging into the game.</p><p>-My friends who are over on EQ2X can transfer over to AB to play with me without having to subscribe?</p><p>-Game-changing items removed from marketplace?</p><p>Hmmmmmmmmmmm....</p><p>............. WOO HOO!</p><p>About dang time!!! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Can't wait for December to roll around!  I'm just impressed that you guys thought about things and improved the existing model before putting it on Live.  Good show!</p>

Crolack
11-10-2011, 06:28 PM
<p>I have a good question.</p><p>I've played EQ2 since launch, but due to employment issues I cancelled last year and went to EQ2X (transferring one character in the process). Last Christmas I got some cash and upgraded my EQ2X to Platinum (it got credited to Aug 2012 due to some billing issues and the downtime earlier this year).</p><p>1) My EQ2 Account is full of characters on AB.</p><p>2) My EQ2X account is full of characters (and extra slots, purchased and/or from LoN loot).</p><p>I was re-employed earlier this year, so I added Station Access to my account to play on live again. But now I'm unemployed again so I cancelled (expires 11/11/11).</p><p>What's going to happen to all my characters?</p>

Nynaeve
11-10-2011, 06:28 PM
<p><span style="font-size: medium; color: #ff0000;">GREAT NEWS! I LOVE IT!</span></p><p>thanks SOE Team and Smokejumer!</p><p>gonna preorder AoD asap!<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p>

Yimway
11-10-2011, 06:30 PM
<p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm a long-time recurring sub member and I'm NOT fine with this. I was hoping they would never do this as Smedley said we'd never have RMT and Smokejumper said we'd never go F2P. Keep up the good work! =)</p></blockquote><p>Seriously, take your head out of the sand.</p><p>You've had RMT for YEARS.</p>

Nuadah
11-10-2011, 06:31 PM
<p><cite>[email protected]_old wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Making EQ2 Free 2 Play is just an all around excellent decision.  There is no valid reason for ANYONE to be upset about EQ2 going Free 2 Play in full, and thus, merging the player base into a single service, full capable of mingling and improving server populations across the board.  </p><p>  </p></blockquote><p>You haven't seen some of the trolls we have on Oasis have you?</p>

Hirofortis
11-10-2011, 06:32 PM
<p><cite>technologically wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium;">LOL</span></p><p>So even though they didn't mention the closing of the recruit a friend program in the big announcement, the mod's are telling me this is where to talk about it.   Why don't they just open a single Complaints thread, so they only have to ignore one thread.</p></blockquote><p>There is no reason for the Raf program and they did mention it.  Unless you are just lookiong for a way to sponge some more xp..</p>

EQ2Playa432
11-10-2011, 06:37 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have a good question.</p><p>I've played EQ2 since launch, but due to employment issues I cancelled last year and went to EQ2X (transferring one character in the process). Last Christmas I got some cash and upgraded my EQ2X to Platinum (it got credited to Aug 2012 due to some billing issues and the downtime earlier this year).</p><p>1) My EQ2 Account is full of characters on AB.</p><p>2) My EQ2X account is full of characters (and extra slots, purchased and/or from LoN loot).</p><p>I was re-employed earlier this year, so I added Station Access to my account to play on live again. But now I'm unemployed again so I cancelled (expires 11/11/11).</p><p>What's going to happen to all my characters?</p></blockquote><p>You'll have access to the most recently logged in 4 characters. The rest will have to be unlocked with char slots.</p>

Shaolin Sam
11-10-2011, 06:38 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite><span ><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/user/profile.m?user_id=178970"><span style="color: #3333ff;">Atan</span></a></span>  wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>You've had RMT for YEARS.</blockquote></blockquote><p>LTRead <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> I've been PLAYING for years. I know we've had RMT for years. Funny thing was we didn't used to and it came out awhile after Smedley made a comment on these very boards saying "We'll never go the RMT route".</p><p>Heck... someone had that in their signature pic for a long time until they got banned for it.</p>

RadarX
11-10-2011, 06:38 PM
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Nrgy
11-10-2011, 06:39 PM
<p><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>technologically wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium;">LOL</span></p><p>So even though they didn't mention the closing of the recruit a friend program in the big announcement, the mod's are telling me this is where to talk about it.   Why don't they just open a single Complaints thread, so they only have to ignore one thread.</p></blockquote><p>I don't think losing RAF is such a big deal any more, when there's essentially a permanent free trial.</p></blockquote><p> OF COURSE ... DUH!  but have no fear ... F2P SC Pots on free accounts is just about the same thing, it'll only take a few extra hours.  After all?  How many XP Pots can you buy with Double SC these days when you don't need to drop a 30-day game card on an RAF toon.</p><p><cite>Hirofortis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>There is no reason for the Raf program and they did mention it.  Unless you are just lookiong for a way to sponge some <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">more</span> <span style="color: #ff0000;">free</span> xp.. <span style="color: #ff0000;"><-- wouldn't want free XP in a F2P game now would we?!?</span></p></blockquote>

Golbezz
11-10-2011, 06:40 PM
<p><cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>-Game-changing items removed from marketplace?</p></blockquote><p>This is what is going to be the difficult issue for SOE as many on the live servers were against F2P because of "pay-to-win" items. If these items don't show up again in marketplace I don't think too many live players will leave. If these items do show up however I think many who aren't planning to cancel already will finally decide to cancel.</p><p>If SOE actually plans to add marketplace items like new races I think players would be more accepting of that type of marketplace item vs the "pay-to-win" power items.</p>

bagup
11-10-2011, 06:41 PM
<p><cite>[email protected]_old wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>bagup wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>im not clevererer enough to know what that means, but to me it means im payign $15 a month  i wanna be able to grp with people who can do dps the same as me or heal the same as me or tank and not get me killed</p></blockquote><p>Free players cant access DoV.  Everything else they have enough gear to be able to do.  Membership level doesnt display skill or dedication, so its worthless in determining what you want it to determine.</p></blockquote><p>i dont only do dov stuff, and with the taking off of stats on gear , you dont know if sf gear is gonna be good or not</p>

axl_2baz
11-10-2011, 06:44 PM
<p>There is one thing hugely bothering me ...</p><p>I'm currently a paying customer, since launch, with 9 characters of various levels, none of them being of the 4 basic races offered with the fre or silver membership.</p><p>When F2P will come I will be switched to gold, I got that. But when my subscription will ned, if I choose to downgrade to free or silver, what will happen to my kerra, my ratonga, etc ... ?</p><p>Will I still have acces to them ? Or will I have to pay to unlock characters I have been playing for years now ??</p>

Pixiewrath
11-10-2011, 06:45 PM
<p>The good thing: I can finally play during daytime since I live in sweden after Bazaar goes Freeport.The bad thing: People lose the LG ability which would honestly work hand in hand with free players.I honestly don't understand the point of allowing lots of people play for free, but not allow them to sell what they acquire. If anything, more free players would encourage sales on LG.But but, I was never able to use the LG feature due to non international mechanics so to me this is a huge improvement as long as merge will work as intended and nothing is lost on my characters or my guild.I do see an enormous amount of rage quitting in the forseeable future though, lol.</p>

Neiloch
11-10-2011, 06:46 PM
<p><cite>EQ2Playa432 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I dont understand why we need to buy AoD if EQ2 is going F2P.  Isnt F2P no up front ?</p></blockquote><p>AoD is all features. It's what the F2P microtransaction is all about, unfortunately they don't want to make it a la carte and instead area charging the high $40 for the whole expansion.</p></blockquote><p>Exactly this. I think I even used the same phrasing, a la carte. Would love to just be able to buy the AA cap increase for $10 or some such.</p>

SlyAtregon
11-10-2011, 06:48 PM
<p>I always knew this day would come when Smokejumper would fulfill his mandate of turning EQ2 in a F2P cash shop.  I was hoping it would be later rather than sooner.  </p><p>40 bucks for what MIGHT pass for $15 "expansion"?  F2P for everyone? Broken raid content with constant influx of magic rainbow mount and house items every week?</p><p>I don't see the game I fell in love with all those years ago anymore.</p><p>-2 accounts. Thanks for the memories, EQ2.</p>

SmokeJumper
11-10-2011, 06:51 PM
<p><cite>Shaolin Sam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Karimonster wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>The real question is: How long until we're offered honest-to-goodness gear on the marketplace? With the revamp of gear here lately, you can't tell me that's not what you guys are making room for. Yeah, I see y'all are taking the "game affecting" stuff off the marketplace TEMPORARILY, but we all know where this is going.<p>The non-existent slippery slope just seems to get more and more crisco-coated as time goes on.</p></blockquote><p>The conversion to a fully F2P system mean that what you're talking about probably isn't far down the road. I give you guys that stay here and play about 8-12 months before things like "buy an epic" or "buy rare ores" or "buy a potion to kill a raid mob easier" or... etc etc etc start appearing on the marketplace.</p></blockquote><p>If that occurs (and it's a HUGE *if* because no one on the team feels comfortable about selling outright power because of its effects on the game balance), then it would only happen after we run player polls that clearly indicate a majority of our player base wants that sort of thing.</p><p>We had tradeskill components, mastercrafted equipment, and much more on the EQ2X marketplace and it did nothing to unbalance the game. So few people buy those things (<10% of players) that them being on the marketplace had no effect on the player economy, nor did any of that stuff change the game balance much.</p><p>However, there was discussion about power potions, health potions and self-rez scrolls changing Raid dynamics too much, so we're yanking it all for now, and we'll discuss whether it's needed/wanted again in the future.</p>

SmokeJumper
11-10-2011, 06:51 PM
<p><cite>Bremer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Vellandra wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>In the 'Producers Letter', it states:</p><p>Recurring memberships are still available for those of us who don't like having to remember to pay each month, and <strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">recurring memberships also get the perk of a Station Cash bonus grant each month.</span></em></strong></p><p>However, this is not referenced on any of the other pages, such as the comparison between subscription types.  Could we get some more information please?  Is this intended or not?</p></blockquote><p>Yes. Recurring memberships get the bonus perk of a free 500SC grant each month.</p></blockquote><p>Will you be able to buy expansions with station cash?</p></blockquote><p>Yes. In fact, you can do so now.</p>

SmokeJumper
11-10-2011, 06:52 PM
<p><cite>Mithi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Me too wondering bout the extra 12 charslots i bought.</p><p>We keeping them?I sure would hope so, would for me otherwise turn the switch to not play anymore.</p><p>Any news we can get on that plse, since more of us asking same</p></blockquote><p>You keep all character slots you purchased. We take nothing away.</p>