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Proud_Silence
10-11-2011, 01:32 AM
<p><span ><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Disabled ‘flying mount to house item’ conversion while flying.</span></span></span></p><p>In todays patch notes. About time, thank you.</p>

EndevorX
10-11-2011, 09:33 AM
<p><span style="color: #ff6600;">So much for "removing permanent overland immunity"... O_o</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Extremely shortsighted, careless alterations.</span></p>

Kimber
10-11-2011, 09:53 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">So much for "removing permanent overland immunity"... O_o</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Extremely shortsighted, careless alterations.</span></p></blockquote><p>Like putting leapers gliders and flyers in the game was not short sighted and careless to start with.</p><p>Its a good call in my book since it was an exploit though.</p><p>Although combat in the air would be better or just overall removal of leapers, gliders, and flyers.</p>

Sprin
10-11-2011, 02:11 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">So much for "removing permanent overland immunity"... O_o</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Extremely shortsighted, careless alterations.</span></p></blockquote><p>Bro, I expect nothing less from you to be sad about them fixing an exploit...   you are truely the king of exploits... I'm sorry you have one less now</p>

Magnis
10-11-2011, 02:19 PM
<p>so sorry guys got little sleep.., not a troll.</p><p>Im not grasping what this patch did. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" /></p>

Sprin
10-11-2011, 02:46 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>so sorry guys got little sleep.., not a troll.</p><p>Im not grasping what this patch did. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Well I havn't looked at the actual patch, but if it is what the OP quoted, its the fixing of the exploit to dismount in air while on griffon.</p><p>You were able to examine your flying mount in air and convert it to a House item (like HQ items) and it would immediately turn your mount into a house item, which was placed in your bags, thereby dismounting you and dropping you down out of the sky, which was disabled in previous patches via all other known means at the time....   IE: they fixed an exploit</p>

Vlahkmaak
10-11-2011, 03:51 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>so sorry guys got little sleep.., not a troll.</p><p>Im not grasping what this patch did. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>What it did was make perma immunity in an open world pvp area safer than before.  People used to be able to dismount in air and attack each other but some classes were at a major disadvantage during controlled falling due to auto attack mechanics and some classes being able to cast on the move and others not being able to cast on the move outside of a straight drop. </p><p>Many people were using the period between "not an exploit" and "all of a sudden its an exploit" to hover AFK in an open world PVP enviornment to get free tokens for total lack of participation and effort.  This was already permissable because you would find corpses at the bottom of the ocean from people drowning themselves to avoid pvp combat too. </p><p>Flying mounts need one of the following:</p><p>1.) A duration/flight STA mechanic so that the longer one is in the air the faster the flight stamina is used up and the mount thus needs to land momentarily to regain flight stamina.  This mechanic could be further supported with a mount gear tab and crafters could make saddles, appearance armor, reigns, etc which increase mount flight sta and speed - giving crafters more options or just sell this stuff on SC and make more money off your player base which most of us would hold against you but your company bean counters would slap you on the back and say, "Good job Tom with the extra revenue source."</p><p>2.) A non curable curse applied to all players during WF preventing flying and limiting all movement speeds to max 75%.</p><p>3.) Remove flying mounts on Nagafen - not a practicable solution as we need mounts for a few quest updates and Drunder access.</p><p>AND</p><p>In flight combat mechanic: All flying mounts get 1  25m attack ability that has a 25% chance to dismount attacked player.</p>

Crismorn
10-11-2011, 04:14 PM
<p>gg.</p>

EndevorX
10-11-2011, 06:53 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">So much for "removing permanent overland immunity"... O_o</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Extremely shortsighted, careless alterations.</span></p></blockquote><p>Bro, I expect nothing less from you to be sad about them fixing an exploit...   you are truely the king of exploits... I'm sorry you have one less now</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Lol @ you still being so mindlessly partisan when I haven't even been playing EQ2 for a couple months +.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Sorry you're still unable to overcome shallow grudges to focus on ensuring a sensible environment for competition.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">And gliders/leapers can be enabled on only Tuesdays-Wednesdays to avoid dat dere OP 200% runspeed.</span></p>

Shrag
10-12-2011, 04:04 PM
<p>Being able to dismount flying mounts discouraged people from afking 100 feet in the air.</p><p>Just because something was broken doesnt mean it was a bad thing, dumb change and now we can all complain again when there is an army of people not engaged in WF.</p>

Sprin
10-12-2011, 07:04 PM
<p><cite>Shrag wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Being able to dismount flying mounts discouraged people from afking 100 feet in the air.</p><p>Just because something was broken doesnt mean it was a bad thing, dumb change and now we can all complain again when there is an army of people not engaged in WF.</p></blockquote><p>No, it encouraged people to exploit to kill the people flying AFK in the air... nobody cares if they die if they are AFK, they would rather just not, but its no skin off their back....</p><p>The only people that exploited that tactic were people that are junker exploiters anyway, they will find new and improved ways to cheat at the game, dont worry.</p>

Balrok
10-12-2011, 11:00 PM
<p><em>"Hi !I am GM Calysto, responding to your petition regarding the player you are reporting. It is not considered an exploit when players dismount in the air and are able to attack others. Technically they are no longer mounted so they are not being restricted by the mechanic that makes it so you cannot engage in combat while in the air. <strong>If you do not wish to play in PvP, perhaps a PvE server would be better suited for you</strong>. If there is anything else that we can help you with, or if you have any further questions, please feel free to reply back to this petition. Good luck to you and safe journeys.GM CalystoEverQuest IISony Online Entertainment"</em></p><p>I like this GM. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />   ... but for the record, I'm find with the fix.  They can keep flying mounts in the game all they want, the AFKers would just AFK somewhere else.  No biggie.  BUT, the jumpy mounts have gotta go.  Those things are the worst.</p>

Darkmantis
10-12-2011, 11:18 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><em>"Hi !I am GM Calysto, responding to your petition regarding the player you are reporting. It is not considered an exploit when players dismount in the air and are able to attack others. Technically they are no longer mounted so they are not being restricted by the mechanic that makes it so you cannot engage in combat while in the air. <strong>If you do not wish to play in PvP, perhaps a PvE server would be better suited for you</strong>. If there is anything else that we can help you with, or if you have any further questions, please feel free to reply back to this petition. Good luck to you and safe journeys.GM CalystoEverQuest IISony Online Entertainment"</em></p><p>I like this GM. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />   ... but for the record, I'm find with the fix.  They can keep flying mounts in the game all they want, the AFKers would just AFK somewhere else.  No biggie.  BUT, the jumpy mounts have gotta go.  Those things are the worst.</p></blockquote><p>Wait a second, what fix...lol</p>

Twinbladed
10-13-2011, 01:12 AM
<p>[email protected] why can't all Gm's be like that.</p>

Darq
10-14-2011, 10:11 AM
<p>1 of 2 ways to exploit is was fixed - 1 remains</p>

Ahlana
10-14-2011, 11:19 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><em>"Hi !I am GM Calysto, responding to your petition regarding the player you are reporting. It is not considered an exploit when players dismount in the air and are able to attack others. Technically they are no longer mounted so they are not being restricted by the mechanic that makes it so you cannot engage in combat while in the air. <strong>If you do not wish to play in PvP, perhaps a PvE server would be better suited for you</strong>. If there is anything else that we can help you with, or if you have any further questions, please feel free to reply back to this petition. Good luck to you and safe journeys.GM CalystoEverQuest IISony Online Entertainment"</em></p><p>I like this GM. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />   ... but for the record, I'm find with the fix.  They can keep flying mounts in the game all they want, the AFKers would just AFK somewhere else.  No biggie.  BUT, the jumpy mounts have gotta go.  Those things are the worst.</p></blockquote><p>Apparently the GMs are not even on the same page as eachother. This one says it is not an exploit and yet my buddy was suspended awhile back for... exploiting it.</p><p>Anyways supposedly there is yet another way to dismount. I have not been creative enough to figure it out myself so who knows. But like another poster said, they will just AFK somewhere else.</p>

Sprin
10-14-2011, 02:02 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>[email protected] why can't all Gm's be like that.</p></blockquote><p>They are all like that, clueless...</p><p>That's one of the major issues with this game, they let GM's do whatever they want... as we have seen many times in the past...</p><p>**cough** blocking PVP at contested pulls **COUGH COUGH**</p><p>/puts-on-flame-retardant-vest-for-incoming-fanboi-hatespams</p>

Shrag
10-17-2011, 02:38 AM
<p>How is it not an exploit to fly into the air and gain perma immunity by being so high in the sky?</p><p>Thats great if you want to afk during a WF, there are plenty of places to hide in KP where the chance of getting owned are tiny, being able to afk 500m in the air completely immune to pvp is not, and should never be ok. There is no difference between flying to high to be attacked  then when you could just evac and stay perma immune at the rez spot.</p>

Sprin
10-17-2011, 01:58 PM
<p><cite>Shrag wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How is it not an exploit to fly into the air and gain perma immunity by being so high in the sky?</p><p>Thats great if you want to afk during a WF, there are plenty of places to hide in KP where the chance of getting owned are tiny, being able to afk 500m in the air completely immune to pvp is not, and should never be ok. There is no difference between flying to high to be attacked  then when you could just evac and stay perma immune at the rez spot.</p></blockquote><p>LOL @ the clueless people on these forums, like I have said in 100's of other posts, just because you don't agree with something, doesn't make it an exploit.</p><p>You don't AGREE that someone should be able to fly into the air and not be killed, yet that is EXACTLY how it was intended... Because they took out all ways to make it so you COULD attack from the air. </p><p>Again, fail at comprehending basic things in life, like something you dont like / don't agree with vs something that is utilizing a flaw or bug in mechanics or error in programming that wasn't intended to gain an advantage over someone else...</p><p>Flying in the air with immunity is no more an exploit then evac'ing and staying in immunity, or sitting on docks with immunity, when those were around... you don't AGREE with it, doesn't make it an exploit...</p><p>Now if someone were to figure out a way to evac and do something or push some button or something, which GAVE them immunity after evac, on the ground, in open world, THAT would be an exploit....</p><p>same as the fix here, someone figured out a way to bypass the mechanics that were implemented, that they don't agree with, to EXPLOIT the restrictions on dismounting in the air... = Exploit.</p><p>Floating in the air in immunity = not an exploit... </p><p>mentally challenged that they allow it? yup... but not an exploit </p>

Crismorn
10-17-2011, 04:40 PM
<p>s'ok I can still get people in the air</p>

Sprin
10-18-2011, 01:08 AM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>s'ok I can still get people in the air</p></blockquote><p>How?, please tell..</p>

Proud_Silence
10-18-2011, 11:05 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>s'ok I can still get people in the air</p></blockquote><p>How?, please tell..</p></blockquote><p>His ego is so big, it reaches all the way to the sky where people are afk'ing. i think most people reading more then 2 posts of crismorn realize he's a self absorbed gloating son of a zombie.</p>

Crismorn
10-18-2011, 03:14 PM
<p>Why are you mad at me?   You can still avoid pvp by flying to the ceiling and tabbing out or afking.</p><p>Just dont do it when I'm in KP or you run the risk of losing fame/dying on a pvp server which would shatter whats left of your fragile ego.</p>

Corydonn
10-18-2011, 03:18 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why are you mad at me?   You can still avoid pvp by flying to the ceiling and tabbing out or afking.</p><p>Just dont do it when I'm in KP or you run the risk of losing fame/dying on a pvp server which would shatter whats left of your fragile ego.</p></blockquote><p>Can I join?</p>

Crismorn
10-18-2011, 04:06 PM
<p>Do you even play any alts?</p>

Sprin
10-18-2011, 06:52 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why are you mad at me?   You can still avoid pvp by flying to the ceiling and tabbing out or afking.</p><p>Just dont do it when I'm in KP or you run the risk of losing fame/dying on a pvp server which would shatter whats left of your fragile ego.</p></blockquote><p>How do you do it? how do you kill someone way up high when you are on a flying mount? Please tell</p>

Proud_Silence
10-18-2011, 08:54 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why are you mad at me?   You can still avoid pvp by flying to the ceiling and tabbing out or afking.</p><p>Just dont do it when I'm in KP or you run the risk of losing fame/dying on a pvp server which would shatter whats left of your fragile ego.</p></blockquote><p>What are you talking about ? we can meet any time i will annihilate you without any problems whatsoever. See i don't have problems with showing all my toons when you click on my name. unlike you, some insignificant pompous wanna-be.</p><p>you talk a lot of hot air, but who are you ? some raider who thinks he's special ? had too much of the old days where gear dominated pvp ?</p><p>Your constant self-absorbed posts are getting tired. you are nothing special, it's that simple.</p>

Crismorn
10-19-2011, 01:02 AM
<p>My toons name is Davionxx, hes in exile and sure I'll fight you anytime</p><p>By fight I mean destroy every toon on your account.</p>

Crismorn
10-19-2011, 01:04 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why are you mad at me?   You can still avoid pvp by flying to the ceiling and tabbing out or afking.</p><p>Just dont do it when I'm in KP or you run the risk of losing fame/dying on a pvp server which would shatter whats left of your fragile ego.</p></blockquote><p>How do you do it? how do you kill someone way up high when you are on a flying mount? Please tell</p></blockquote><p>up up down down left right left right select start</p>

Sprin
10-19-2011, 03:35 AM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why are you mad at me?   You can still avoid pvp by flying to the ceiling and tabbing out or afking.</p><p>Just dont do it when I'm in KP or you run the risk of losing fame/dying on a pvp server which would shatter whats left of your fragile ego.</p></blockquote><p>How do you do it? how do you kill someone way up high when you are on a flying mount? Please tell</p></blockquote><p>up up down down left right left right select start</p></blockquote><p>fail, forgot B A</p>

Crismorn
10-19-2011, 04:17 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why are you mad at me?   You can still avoid pvp by flying to the ceiling and tabbing out or afking.</p><p>Just dont do it when I'm in KP or you run the risk of losing fame/dying on a pvp server which would shatter whats left of your fragile ego.</p></blockquote><p>How do you do it? how do you kill someone way up high when you are on a flying mount? Please tell</p></blockquote><p>up up down down left right left right select start</p></blockquote><p>fail, forgot B A</p></blockquote><p>when i made that reply the contra music played through my head</p>

Sprin
10-19-2011, 10:24 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why are you mad at me?   You can still avoid pvp by flying to the ceiling and tabbing out or afking.</p><p>Just dont do it when I'm in KP or you run the risk of losing fame/dying on a pvp server which would shatter whats left of your fragile ego.</p></blockquote><p>How do you do it? how do you kill someone way up high when you are on a flying mount? Please tell</p></blockquote><p>up up down down left right left right select start</p></blockquote><p>fail, forgot B A</p></blockquote><p>when i made that reply the contra music played through my head</p></blockquote><p>Thats it!  The fix to PVP on EQ was in front of our eyes the whole time...</p><p>Just pull Naggy server out and blow on it, shake it around a bunch and curse...   that will fix it!</p>

Kimber
10-19-2011, 11:05 PM
<p>Hmm hit by an exploiter today was headed from RW to Frozen Finguers  pretty high up not max though.  Saw a Sin switch from leaper to griff thought no biggy there just kept going.  Got out just above the water a bit and go hit by said Sin.  This should have been fixed already. </p><p>Before the ""you got what you deserve stuff trying to avoid PvP"".  Uhh no I was not trying to avoid PvP I was using my griff to get from one spot to the other.  I did not want to take the auto fly griff.  Either way though dismounting in the air is not working as intended so lets get it fixed the rest of the way.</p>

Crismorn
10-19-2011, 11:38 PM
<p>Wow I was joking when I said I knew a way lol.</p><p>Also, dont use flying mounts they are slow, leapers are the fastest way to travel for over 95% of this games terrain.</p>

Kimber
10-20-2011, 12:41 AM
<p>Not over the water from Ring of War to the Otter island in Great Divide so leaper would not have done me any good there.</p>

Twinbladed
11-03-2011, 05:27 PM
<p>as long as people use leapers an flying mounts they will always be exploited</p>

Ilovecows
11-03-2011, 07:26 PM
<p>There is a simple solution that will be a positive for everyone.  Just remove flying mounts!  Then everything will be fine and we will all get along again!!</p>

Kimber
11-03-2011, 10:17 PM
<p>Oh I agree take them out please.</p><p>That or make it that if you are in the air you cannot ditch the mount at all.  I was out in KP headed from one place to anouther flying along not at max alt but above the leaper range and next thing I knew I was headed for the dirt.  I died and the other player got no update cause they had put on something with float so I was out of range for the update but still rather annoying that it even happend.  After we were told that this was ""fixed""</p>

Stylish
11-04-2011, 08:57 AM
<p>Examine mount on ground. Fly up, turn mount into house item, float down, PEW PEW, fall safely using one of 23498729057 free fall items. Land on ground, turn house item into mount.</p><p>I don't do this but this is the way they are doing it.</p>

Crismorn
11-04-2011, 04:05 PM
<p>That doesnt work, nice try though</p>

Kimber
11-05-2011, 11:12 PM
<p>Well however they are doing it does not matter its an exploit that needs fixed. </p><p>That or as some of us have said take leapers, gliders and flyers off Naggy ( this is what I personaly really want but know it prolly will not happen )</p>

Ahlana
11-06-2011, 07:16 AM
<cite>Stylish wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Examine mount on ground. Fly up, turn mount into house item, float down, PEW PEW, fall safely using one of 23498729057 free fall items. Land on ground, turn house item into mount.</p><p> </p><p>I don't do this but this is the way they are doing it.</p></blockquote> Turns out you are wrong Crismorn.. this is exactly how they are doing it. Already tested it and if you examine your mount while on the ground and then fly.. you can indeed turn it into a house item while in the air.

Ilovecows
11-07-2011, 01:34 AM
<p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><cite>Stylish wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Examine mount on ground. Fly up, turn mount into house item, float down, PEW PEW, fall safely using one of 23498729057 free fall items. Land on ground, turn house item into mount.</p><p>I don't do this but this is the way they are doing it.</p></blockquote>Turns out you are wrong Crismorn.. this is exactly how they are doing it. Already tested it and if you examine your mount while on the ground and then fly.. you can indeed turn it into a house item while in the air.</blockquote><p>And a simple way to fix this would be to remove these flying mounts causing everyone so much aggravation and hard work, while no one really seems to like them...</p>

max.power
11-07-2011, 06:58 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>And a simple way to fix this would be to remove these flying mounts causing everyone so much aggravation and hard work, while no one really seems to like them...</p></blockquote><p>Will not happen, flying mounts are a core game mechanic needed in DoV zones - no matter if you guys like it or not. The only thing possible is disabled flying/leaping/gliding mounts during warfields, but that's it.</p>

Crismorn
11-07-2011, 07:27 AM
<p>I truly felt flying mounts were the biggest issue to eq2 pvp.</p><p>Now I see the real issue, pvp went from something that could happen at any time to something that anyone can avoid with ease, pvp used to be an indicator of playing ability and now it is frowned upon by the same people who play on a pvpserver.</p><p>Eq2 pvp will never be good again because the players who dont want to pvp at any moment won the war, now you have to go looking for people who want to pvp instead of pvping just by playing the game.</p><p>Doesnt really matter what you do with flying mounts, players will still be able to avoid pvp or only do so when they choose to instead of how it should be.</p>

Ahlana
11-07-2011, 09:30 AM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Doesnt really matter what you do with flying mounts, players will still be able to avoid pvp or only do so when they choose to instead of how it should be.</p></blockquote><p>Yup</p>

Traxor
11-09-2011, 07:15 PM
<p><span ><em><strong>If you do not wish to play in PvP, perhaps a PvE server would be better suited for you</strong>.</em></span></p><p>if you want to complain that you cant be pvp immune perminatnly when out. Dont play on a pvp server</p><p>GOOD GM REPSONSE. THIS SHOULD BE HOW IT IS</p>