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Cyral
07-18-2011, 03:31 PM
<p>I've been playing EQ2 Extended, the free to play version. I got friends who are playing it with me and the game is great thus far but one thing is missing - PVP. My friends and I thought, hey why not try the live server? After research on game cost, etc we found that there are roughly 3 PVP servers, Nagafen being the most populated. I come from an extensive PVP background, from day one Shadowbane all the way to Vanguard, WoW, even Ragnarok Online's War of the Emperium. I loved Vanguards PVP but Sony neglected PVP so badly that I left when there was 30 people on the live server at peak times. This, of course, was years ago. I never got into EQ2 and after playing the extended and reading the PVP ruleset - I want to PVP in this game. </p><p>Here are my concerns, which is why I'm posting.</p><p>1 - Is Nagafen dead and the PVP in the game dead?</p><p>2 - Is it too late to play competatively, due to AA's (which I still don't fully understand) and so many expansion packs.</p><p>3 - Have BG's ruined world PVP? This partially refers to one. Is the open world pvp completely dead as open world is what I am searching for.</p><p>I've been through many games where BG's have completely demolished all aspects of great PVP. From Warhammer to Rift and even WoW. I want good solid open world pvp and I want to bring my 5-6 friends a long with me for the ride as they are like minded. I come to these forums and read recent posts of doom and gloom and this forum reminds me so much of Vanguard's PVP forums. Sartok's Forums was all - SOE screwed us!! we're abandoned!! So many bugs!! etc etc. Has SOE really screwed this game's PVP up? Should I save my cash and wait for something else? The game seems great, but PVE content is for girls. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /> Thanks for the read and I hope you all can answer my questions. </p>

GussJr
07-18-2011, 03:37 PM
<p>The opinions about the current state of pvp are so varried, I suggest looking through the PvP forum...or just try it yourself and see what you think. A game card costs 15 bucks at Game Stop...</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=481270">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=481270</a></p>

Marcula
07-18-2011, 05:33 PM
<p><cite>Cyral wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>1 - Is Nagafen dead and the PVP in the game dead?</p><p>2 - Is it too late to play competatively, due to AA's (which I still don't fully understand) and so many expansion packs.</p><p>3 - Have BG's ruined world PVP? This partially refers to one. Is the open world pvp completely dead as open world is what I am searching for.</p></blockquote><p>1 - Naggy is alive it just is more alive at different levels and different time zones. Seems to me most of the Freeportians like to play at level 39 and most of the Qeynosians at level 90. This game has the best PVP of any game I have ever played and is very enjoyable if you stay away from the usual idiots you find in these games. Certain areas funnel more PVP then others so you just have to find the lively spots and get to learn where they are.</p><p>Some areas are completely barren of any PVP but that can be a way to get to learn the content of the game when not PVPing. Warfares draw lots of opportunity to battle others, most of whom will be geared to the teeth. The people you find in the wild tend to be solo PVPers or questers so its a good mix.</p><p>2 - You can start the game and be competative relatively early. Just need to put in the time to get the rares to equip your toon with mastercrafted gear. If you start tradeskilling at the same time there are questlines that will reward you with 8 rares level appropriate as you go forward allowing you to get your armor and weapon made. I would suggest joining an established guild who will more then likely help you get started. To really answer your question there are always an abundance of not so good players so you be able to compete with them early as you learn to play and learn the game and get skilled to take on the better players. AA's definately help but you will still find lots of really bad players on fully geared toons.</p><p>3 - I don't bother with BG's to be honest and have only done a few. Its a good way I suppose to get PVP gear while you are not so adept at PVPing or a place to hone your skills. I am one of those who roam the open air, enjoying the content and attacking anyone I see and I am not the only one.</p><p>At current state if you wish to have lots of fun PVPing I would suggest you roll a toon on the Freeport (Evil) side and you should get enough PVP to keep you and your friends happy.</p>

Ilovecows
07-18-2011, 05:38 PM
<p><cite>Cyral wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've been playing EQ2 Extended, the free to play version. I got friends who are playing it with me and the game is great thus far but one thing is missing - PVP. My friends and I thought, hey why not try the live server? After research on game cost, etc we found that there are roughly 3 PVP servers, Nagafen being the most populated. I come from an extensive PVP background, from day one Shadowbane all the way to Vanguard, WoW, even Ragnarok Online's War of the Emperium. I loved Vanguards PVP but Sony neglected PVP so badly that I left when there was 30 people on the live server at peak times. This, of course, was years ago. I never got into EQ2 and after playing the extended and reading the PVP ruleset - I want to PVP in this game. </p><p>Here are my concerns, which is why I'm posting.</p><p>1 - Is Nagafen dead and the PVP in the game dead?</p><p>2 - Is it too late to play competatively, due to AA's (which I still don't fully understand) and so many expansion packs.</p><p>3 - Have BG's ruined world PVP? This partially refers to one. Is the open world pvp completely dead as open world is what I am searching for.</p><p>I've been through many games where BG's have completely demolished all aspects of great PVP. From Warhammer to Rift and even WoW. I want good solid open world pvp and I want to bring my 5-6 friends a long with me for the ride as they are like minded. I come to these forums and read recent posts of doom and gloom and this forum reminds me so much of Vanguard's PVP forums. Sartok's Forums was all - SOE screwed us!! we're abandoned!! So many bugs!! etc etc. Has SOE really screwed this game's PVP up? Should I save my cash and wait for something else? The game seems great, but PVE content is for girls. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /> Thanks for the read and I hope you all can answer my questions. </p></blockquote><p>Nagafen is not as dead as some might lead you to believe.  There is still quite a bit of open pvp if you look for it.  Yes, like other games BGs have had an effect on open world pvp like most other games, but it hasn't completely ruined it.</p><p>It is definaitly not too late to compete in pvp due to aas and expansions and such.  You can get crafted pvp gear now, which actually does pretty well in pvp.  Also, aa isn't too hard to get, and as long as you have atleast 200aa you should be doing pretty fine.</p><p>I really suggest coming over to nagafen and trying pvp out.  It can be a little hard to get started, and a lot of the community really sucks, but you can always find nice people that are willing to help you out.  If you want to ask someone about something if you guys do decide to come over and try, send me a tell.  My alts in Qeynos are ilikecows/pinkberry/steppen and my alts in freeport are ilovecows/steppenjr/aydn.  Feel free to ask for help if you need any.</p>

GussJr
07-18-2011, 05:42 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cyral wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've been playing EQ2 Extended, the free to play version. I got friends who are playing it with me and the game is great thus far but one thing is missing - PVP. My friends and I thought, hey why not try the live server? After research on game cost, etc we found that there are roughly 3 PVP servers, Nagafen being the most populated. I come from an extensive PVP background, from day one Shadowbane all the way to Vanguard, WoW, even Ragnarok Online's War of the Emperium. I loved Vanguards PVP but Sony neglected PVP so badly that I left when there was 30 people on the live server at peak times. This, of course, was years ago. I never got into EQ2 and after playing the extended and reading the PVP ruleset - I want to PVP in this game. </p><p>Here are my concerns, which is why I'm posting.</p><p>1 - Is Nagafen dead and the PVP in the game dead?</p><p>2 - Is it too late to play competatively, due to AA's (which I still don't fully understand) and so many expansion packs.</p><p>3 - Have BG's ruined world PVP? This partially refers to one. Is the open world pvp completely dead as open world is what I am searching for.</p><p>I've been through many games where BG's have completely demolished all aspects of great PVP. From Warhammer to Rift and even WoW. I want good solid open world pvp and I want to bring my 5-6 friends a long with me for the ride as they are like minded. I come to these forums and read recent posts of doom and gloom and this forum reminds me so much of Vanguard's PVP forums. Sartok's Forums was all - SOE screwed us!! we're abandoned!! So many bugs!! etc etc. Has SOE really screwed this game's PVP up? Should I save my cash and wait for something else? The game seems great, but PVE content is for girls. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /> Thanks for the read and I hope you all can answer my questions. </p></blockquote><p>Nagafen is not as dead as some might lead you to believe.  There is still quite a bit of open pvp if you look for it.  Yes, like other games BGs have had an effect on open world pvp like most other games, but it hasn't completely ruined it.</p><p>It is definaitly not too late to compete in pvp due to aas and expansions and such.  You can get crafted pvp gear now, which actually does pretty well in pvp.  Also, aa isn't too hard to get, and as long as you have atleast 200aa you should be doing pretty fine.</p><p>I really suggest coming over to nagafen and trying pvp out.  It can be a little hard to get started, and a lot of the community really sucks, but you can always find nice people that are willing to help you out.  If you want to ask someone about something if you guys do decide to come over and try, send me a tell.  My alts in Qeynos are ilikecows/pinkberry/steppen and my alts in freeport are ilovecows/steppenjr/aydn.  Feel free to ask for help if you need any.</p></blockquote><p>Well, starting from scratch, he'll be many many levels away from being able to equip crafted pvp gear...and can only use 160 AA's until he reaches lvl 70...</p><p>If you roll on the Q side, however, and need someone to make your plate/chain armor...pst "Collametta", a GL of Death Eaters.</p><p>Once/if you reach T9, I can make the crafted pvp armor as well.</p>

Ilovecows
07-18-2011, 05:58 PM
<p><cite>GussJr wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cyral wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've been playing EQ2 Extended, the free to play version. I got friends who are playing it with me and the game is great thus far but one thing is missing - PVP. My friends and I thought, hey why not try the live server? After research on game cost, etc we found that there are roughly 3 PVP servers, Nagafen being the most populated. I come from an extensive PVP background, from day one Shadowbane all the way to Vanguard, WoW, even Ragnarok Online's War of the Emperium. I loved Vanguards PVP but Sony neglected PVP so badly that I left when there was 30 people on the live server at peak times. This, of course, was years ago. I never got into EQ2 and after playing the extended and reading the PVP ruleset - I want to PVP in this game. </p><p>Here are my concerns, which is why I'm posting.</p><p>1 - Is Nagafen dead and the PVP in the game dead?</p><p>2 - Is it too late to play competatively, due to AA's (which I still don't fully understand) and so many expansion packs.</p><p>3 - Have BG's ruined world PVP? This partially refers to one. Is the open world pvp completely dead as open world is what I am searching for.</p><p>I've been through many games where BG's have completely demolished all aspects of great PVP. From Warhammer to Rift and even WoW. I want good solid open world pvp and I want to bring my 5-6 friends a long with me for the ride as they are like minded. I come to these forums and read recent posts of doom and gloom and this forum reminds me so much of Vanguard's PVP forums. Sartok's Forums was all - SOE screwed us!! we're abandoned!! So many bugs!! etc etc. Has SOE really screwed this game's PVP up? Should I save my cash and wait for something else? The game seems great, but PVE content is for girls. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /> Thanks for the read and I hope you all can answer my questions. </p></blockquote><p>Nagafen is not as dead as some might lead you to believe.  There is still quite a bit of open pvp if you look for it.  Yes, like other games BGs have had an effect on open world pvp like most other games, but it hasn't completely ruined it.</p><p>It is definaitly not too late to compete in pvp due to aas and expansions and such.  You can get crafted pvp gear now, which actually does pretty well in pvp.  Also, aa isn't too hard to get, and as long as you have atleast 200aa you should be doing pretty fine.</p><p>I really suggest coming over to nagafen and trying pvp out.  It can be a little hard to get started, and a lot of the community really sucks, but you can always find nice people that are willing to help you out.  If you want to ask someone about something if you guys do decide to come over and try, send me a tell.  My alts in Qeynos are ilikecows/pinkberry/steppen and my alts in freeport are ilovecows/steppenjr/aydn.  Feel free to ask for help if you need any.</p></blockquote><p>Well, starting from scratch, he'll be many many levels away from being able to equip crafted pvp gear...and can only use 160 AA's until he reaches lvl 70...</p><p>If you roll on the Q side, however, and need someone to make your plate/chain armor...pst "Collametta", a GL of Death Eaters.</p><p>Once/if you reach T9, I can make the crafted pvp armor as well.</p></blockquote><p>I suppose you are right.  it would probably be a better idea for him to start off in t4.  That way he can get geared out and aa a bit faster.  Leveling can be a pain if you don't want to pay 100p+ an hour for a pl.  Getting all of the mc gear atleast will be good enough for him to not get 1 shotted, and it doesn't cost too much.</p><p>Also, t4 freeports way outnumber t4 Qs.  During the warfield there is usually 10 Qs that are somewhat geared and 70+ freeps that are some what geared.  So to get gear it would be easier to start out in freeport, and then go to Qeynos for the fun of pvping against the odds <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Like i said, if you need some help i can give you some.  I have a tailor so i can make any cloth/leather gear you need.  Hope to see you over here soon!</p>

Balrok
07-18-2011, 10:15 PM
<p>tbh.. EQ2 has many highs and many lows.  There is still some real fun to the game concerning PvP.  But then you find some complete fail points as well.  I like how EQ2 looks and feels when I play it, so I'll stick it out.  I don't PvE at all anymore cause I just have zero desire.  I've PvE'ed enough in this game and just feel like it's a mode point atm.  But you always need to remember EQ2 is a PvE game first... always first.  Now that shouldn't mean PvP is a distance, remote second... but it is.</p><p>I just got done listening to a chunk of the EQ2 panel at fanfair.  My god, character housing voting!  Crafting AAs!  I would ask who in the heck requests this boring, dull junk..... but then you hear the crowd just erupt with joy and cheers when they announced these two things.  I was shocked and just blown away by how little I have to share with the majority of people that play this game.  Serious, you should give a listen.... it's mind blowing.  PvPers are a fraction of this game.  Our voices are typically more flames and rages.. but after years of being forgotten... what do you expect.</p><p>Anyway... fun game, has many great points, but bad points too.  Like anything.  Give it a shot and don't complain when you get steamrolled from time to time.</p><p>Enjoy</p>

Talathion
07-19-2011, 03:29 AM
<p>PVP Only stats ruined PVP.</p>

Kimber
07-19-2011, 04:03 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>PVP Only stats ruined PVP.</p></blockquote><p>Says the guy that said I Dont PvP cause PvP sucks.</p><p>I agree with many of the above that you should just come over and try it.  The biggest thing is to ensure that you get a solid cash flow right off so you can pay for your equiment and spells.  Either that or stay low adv ( under 10 ) and craft to lv 30-40 and then go harvest to get your rares.  Make all your own stuff and go from there. </p><p>As for the WF's well Freeps out number Qey in T4 and Qey out number Freeps in T9 so it depends on where you want to end up at.  Once you are up into the high 40's though things slow down allot for PvP untill you get to 82.  At lv 82 you are at the mercy of the lv 90's till you hit 90 and get your own gear.</p>

Vaylan77
07-19-2011, 12:55 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This game has the best PVP of any game I have ever played and is very enjoyable if you stay away from the usual idiots you find in these games.</p></blockquote><p>uhm are we playing the same game??? best pvp of any game??? the pvp in this game is declining with every update and patch and nowadays we have a pvp system were the attacked player decides if he wants to do pvp or not. if not he runs away and stays out of combat.best pvp system i saw was in warhammer online - the online problem there was that the max level was too low, you reached end game too fast but had to grind up a very high amount of secondary xp which was pointless in the end cause you played against max chars and lost all the time.seeing an x4 siege and a castle where npcs and an enemy x4 defended and you got shot with ballistas from above was just great and real multiscale pvp.</p>

Marcula
07-19-2011, 05:49 PM
<p>It does have the best pvp of any game I played including Warhammer IMO......when people actually go out and pvp. I am not talking about the runners, or the divers, or the evacers - I am talking about when two or more meet in the wild both fighting to the death. The game mechanics for pvp fighting are fluid and visually excellent. I didn't see the same smoothness on Warhammer. Yes the Keep fights were fun and the PQ's are really well done but the PVP was way more button mash for most classes and visually meh.</p><p>What is not always great is how some of the changes effect the balance in the game (procs,toughness ect ect) and still needs tweaking obviously, but that doesn't mean the actual mechanics of PVP in EQ2 are not good.</p><p>Remember way back to the massive fights in Antonica where all of Freeport invaded and people came streaming out of Qeynos to repell them? There would literally be hundreds of chests littering the landscape and everyone actually fought to the death. (On Venecor back then) The server just needs to have a shift in attitude and things can get exciting.</p>

Ilovecows
07-19-2011, 06:08 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>PVP Only stats ruined PVP.</p></blockquote><p>I disagree.  I just get my crafted pvp gear, and then i go out and fight people.  honestly, it is 10x better than it was when DoV came out.</p>

max.power
07-20-2011, 05:45 AM
<p><cite>Cyral wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've been through many games where BG's have completely demolished all aspects of great PVP. From Warhammer to Rift and even WoW. I want good solid open world pvp and I want to bring my 5-6 friends a long with me for the ride as they are like minded. I come to these forums and read recent posts of doom and gloom and this forum reminds me so much of Vanguard's PVP forums. Sartok's Forums was all - SOE screwed us!! we're abandoned!! So many bugs!! etc etc. Has SOE really screwed this game's PVP up? Should I save my cash and wait for something else? The game seems great, but PVE content is for girls. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /> Thanks for the read and I hope you all can answer my questions. </p></blockquote><p>If you are looking for a game with 24/7 100% nonstop PvP then you will not get happy with EQ2.</p><p>Many things happened in this game over the last couple of years that didn't help open world PvP. In a game that old it's natural to lose players over time and the world got bigger and bigger and more and more instances were implemented. Those three things alone make it hard to find open world PvP the "natural" way.</p><p>On top of that we have:</p><p>- BGs</p><p>- Instant travel via spires and druid rings</p><p>- Guild banners that port you right in front of instances, whole groups/raids can avoid PvP completely</p><p>- Insane mount speeds and flying/leaping mounts in general that either provide PvP immunity whenever you want or help escaping a lot</p><p>- Less content in the open world that people want to or have to do</p><p>IMO you will only find fun on a PvP server when you can understand that EQ2 is at first a PvE game and PvP a addition to that. If you don't have fun in doing instances, crafting, gathering, questing and so on you will find yourself bored after some time, hanging around warfields and /afk the rest of the day.</p><p>But I think that you have to try it yourself to make up your own mind. All that b*tching and whining on this forum aside, it's a great game and PvP can be big fun!</p>