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Bhael
03-19-2011, 06:10 PM
<p></p><p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Ok, so I've been reading all the posts about how the item limit of the Everfrost Summer home is too low and I wanted to add my two cents worth. I know there are other threads on this subject but I wanted to start a new one because I wanted to make sure the Dev's saw this. I have what I think to be very important information on the subject.</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I also feel the item limit is to low but let me demonstrate WHY I think this. See I've been decorating my Summer Home and as was expected used up my item limit very fast. What occurred to me as I was reading the SOE responses was that I don't really think they get the true scope of just how BIG this house really is... so I decided to show you.</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">What I have done is compared a 2 room apartment with an item limit of 200 to the 4 room summer home with an item limit of 400. I think that's a fair and simple comparison, 2 room 200 limit vs. 4 room 400 limit. In this comparison you would expect the summer home to be about double the size of the 2 room.</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Let me step back for a moment and explain WHY I am doing it in this manner. See the whole issue is space. Just how much space do we have for our stuff. When putting stuff in a place you can only get so much in before it gets to crowded, duh. But when you have a large space and only a few things it looks totally empty and, well... bad. So its important to have a number of items commensurate to the available space to work out and look good. Otherwise you end up looking like you are living in a giant empty warehouse. This is what we have right now. Have you actually gone and looked at some of these places? I have. In fact I looked at ALL the AB Qeynos Summer homes and all the Oasis Freeport Summer homes. Short of a few exceptions I have three words... Big. Empty. Warehouse.</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Ok, so on with my comparison...</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I have divided the homes into their basic boxes then broken that down into area and volume. I include volume because as has been stated before people like to use what space is there and that includes going UP. So for those of you who believe we should only compare area I have that and those who feel ALL of the space should be compared, like I do, I have that.</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><span> </span>I'm just going to give you the raw data and let it speak for itself:</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">2 Room Apartment:</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">2 Rooms - 200 item limit</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Room 1</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><span>            </span>=14x14.15x4.9<span>  </span>=Sq Area of 198.1<span>            </span>Vol of 970.69</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Room 2</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><span>            </span>=17x16.1x5.7<span>    </span>=Sq Area of 273.7<span>            </span>Vol of 1560.09</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Total Square Area = 471.8</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Total Volume = 2530.78</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Now here is our summer home. We should see about double the area and volume...</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Everfrost Summer Home:</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">4 Rooms - 400 item limit</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Doorways x4</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><span>            </span>=12x14x20<span>       </span>=Sq Area of 168<span>        </span><span>            </span>Vol of 3360</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><span>            </span><span>            </span>x4<span>            </span>=Sq Area of 672<span>        </span><span>            </span>Vol of 13440</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Main Room</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><span>            </span>=38x38x48<span>       </span>=Sq Area of 1444<span>            </span>Vol of 69312</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Center Room</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><span>            </span>=31x33x31.4<span>    </span>=Sq Area of 1023<span>            </span>Vol of 32122.2</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Side Rooms x2</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><span>            </span>=33x31x22.4<span>    </span>=Sq Area of 1023<span>            </span>Vol of 22915.2</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><span>            </span><span>            </span>x2<span>            </span>=Sq Area of 2046<span>            </span>Vol of 45830.4</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Total Square Area = 5185</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Total Volume = 160704.6</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">For those of you who couldn't tell that's...</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Size Comparison:</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Everfrost Summer Home Area<span>  </span>11x Larger</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Everfrost Summer Home Volume<span>  </span>63.5x larger</span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p> <p ><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I rest my case.</span></p>

Bhael
03-21-2011, 05:22 PM
<p>Just giving this a bump to make sure people get a chance to read it.</p>

GussJr
03-21-2011, 05:35 PM
<p>I think it was Domino who responded in another post maybe a week ago, but I can't find it right now...but she said the reason they had smaller item limits for the prestige homes was because multiple home-ownership is around the corner. Each home having its own item limit.</p><p>For now, if you absolutely need more room, there are crafted, and purchased, item expanders...should put you at about 700</p><p>Even though it would be awesome to have an increased item limit on the summer home, there is still plenty that you can do to it in regards to decorating/layout editors...I had to cut the hight in half on my home, but still ended up with less than 400 items and room to spare...</p><p>Maybe a small boost would be nice, like 100 items or so, but I wouldn't hold my breath...</p>

Nrgy
03-21-2011, 06:47 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just giving this a bump to make sure people get a chance to read it.</p></blockquote><p>I'll add to your bump, and add this;</p><p>Comparing the Floor (X by Y) in two different houses by placing a floor tile down expanded to its LARGEST size.</p><p>Gorowyn house has a housing items limit of 700, considered to be a large house floor plan wise. it take 6 floor tiles in a rectangular fashion to skin the floor of one room and 8 to cover the basement floors.  Not counting the patio or break out areas there are six (6) room, the basement counting as 2 even tough it is really a single room when counting the rooms of the house.  So, 6 floor tiles use to cover 4 rooms and 8 tiles to cover 2 rooms for a total of 40 floor tiles to reskin all flooring areas.</p><p>The Summer house has a housing item limit of 400 and has four (4) rooms, although it is listed as three (3) rooms in the description.  The side rooms each take 9 floor tiles (expanded to thier LARGEST size, to cover and reskin the floor.  the main room take 25 floor tiles to reskin the floor.  So, 52 floor tiles to reskin all flooring areas.</p><p>Gorowyn (700 limit) 40 floor tiles <> EF Summer (400 limit) 52 floor tiles</p><p>This doesn't even begin to take about the height of the house.  I have a Gorowyn house which I cut a 2nd floor into.  The lower (first) floor has high ceilings (2 story) and the 2nd floor has normal (1 story) ceilings.  These rooms are not cramped in anyway.</p><p>The EF Summer house has room for 4 or 5 stories easily and still not cramping the visiting Barbarian.  If you have a Fae then you could get in about 9 or 10 stories although everyone would HATE you if you put your sales crates on the top floor.  I know you can increase your house item count by 300 with both the crafted and SC expanders, but I fear that even with a 700 item limit the EF Summer house will still be lacking in usable item count.</p><p>Please incerease the EF Summer house to 700 item limit.</p>

Bhael
03-21-2011, 07:50 PM
<p></p><p >I find this pretty funny. I don't know if you noticed this but you know those little doorways? The one you arrive in and the ones going into each room? Well just those four doorways combined is about one and a half times the area of a 2 room apartment! JUST the doorways! LOL. You probably don't even really notice THAT space. But its a large area and needs to or at least CAN be decorated.</p> <p > </p> <p >The four rooms could EACH hold TWO full two room apartments side by side. Not to mention how many vertically. Lets see... the main room could hold almost nine high, the side rooms four high, and the center room just under 6 high. So for those of you counting you could get about 46 COMPLETE two room apartments or 92 rooms in the volume of this place. Eight just on the ground level, area-wise that is equal to a 16 room house!</p> <p > </p> <p >As much as you'd like to say this a 3 or 4 room house... its not. IT. IS. HUGE. And when putting stuff in it you need to be able to put in enough stuff to make it look like a normal house. At the current item count you can't. There's just to much space to fill.</p> <p >Think about this, you know that big school gymnasium we all had at our school? What would it be like to try and decorate that with the stuff you have in your house right now. Would you even be able to begin to make it look like anything other than a large empty warehouse? I doubt it. You would probably need to break it up into smaller rooms with say dividers? But that means more items needed to get the area ready before we even get to put our STUFF in it. Now multiply that by four rooms and you begin to see our dilemma. You give us shelves to put stuff on but an item count that won't let us. Tiles to make it look nicer and dividers... all this stuff to make it READY to put OUR stuff in. But no item count to actually use it. Its like when I use to work for the airlines. I got all these great flying benefits to go places but I didn't make enough money to be able to do anything once I got there. lol</p> <p > </p> <p >Here's a win/win proposal. Drop the price of the expanders to around 200, 300 or even 500 if you're really greedy, and let us use multiple SC expanders on each house. That way you get to make more money selling more of them and we get a higher item count. If you want to put a limit on it you could limit it to one expander per vault slot. So a two room apartment gets max to SC expanders and a five room gets five SC expanders. Buy a slot expander and get an additional item expander.</p> <p > </p> <p >As I mentioned I'm currently doing my Summer house and I've got all the expanders, 700 item limit. I'm not done and I'm already about to run out of room. And my toon is only in his 30's level-wise. Think of how many trophy's he's going to have by the time he gets to 90! Yeah I won't want to display all of them but I would like to display a lot of them. And since I'm trying make it look nice I'm giving the special items a nice display stand so that increases the number of items I'm placing each time I get something new to display. I'm using an Ogre and ogre-sizing everything to make it seem smaller, lol, and its STILL huge.</p> <p > </p> <p >Domino, please, get one of these and TRY to decorate it. You will quickly see how big it actually is. It may have four rooms but its NOT a four room house. It needs a higher item limit.</p>

Bhael
03-24-2011, 06:35 PM
<p>So everybody has read this and sees the BIG difference in area/size that strongly advocates a larger item count in the Summer Home and doesn't have anything to say about it? Seriously? Come one people do you want a higher item count or not? If so then speak up. This is about the strongest argument supporting it we are going to get.Domino, have YOU read this? Do you have anything to say? This is a clear example of just how big this place is. How much larger it is than any other place room for room. Though this is a 4 room place its area is the size of a 16 room house based on the room size of the 2 room apartments. That's got to mean SOMETHING.</p>

Eveningsong
03-24-2011, 06:58 PM
<p>There have already been several threads and I think most of us who have comments to make have already made them there <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  Several years of similar arguments about T3 guild halls and item counts hasn't made any changes.. /shrug</p><p>Domino has said (in Test channel if I recall, not the forums) that the SC expanders will be changing once the multi-housing goes in and the prices dropping accordingly, so we'll have to wait and see how that turns out. </p>

Bhael
03-24-2011, 09:13 PM
<p>Yeah I know there have been many threads but that doesn't make this one any less important. In fact it could be all that more important letting them know we are still unhappy and have legtimate arguments with substantial evidence supporting our claims.</p><p>I am also looking forward to the upcoming changes to the SC expanders. I'm hoping they will allow multiple expanders as I gave example too in my post.</p><p>Either way it can't hurt to keep bringing it up.</p>

Maisland
04-08-2011, 04:54 PM
<p>I have been working on the Everfrost Summer Home for my newest alt (Keathairne is the only one of my characters who did not already own a house).  Location:  South Freeport, Oasis.</p><p>I have added 3 floors (plus an "attic" which is accessed by a teleport pad) to the entry and one floor to one of the other three rooms.  I had originally made stairs out of tables, but that ate up the item count very quickly.  I replaced the stairs with ramps:</p><p><img src="http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/215912_1487955258880_1833918997_872720_4190960_n.j pg" width="720" height="405" /></p><p>With little more than the basic rooms, even after replacing the stairs with ramps, I have still used up nearly half my initial 400 item count, so I added all the expanders that I could.</p><p>I had no difficulty decorating the 400 count New Halas Villas and 1 Walk of the Dead in Neriak, with room to spare for more stuff, but this place is so much larger, it is taking more items just to get it ready to START decorating... I can easily see myself running out of room, and my decorating ideas tend to be rather Spartan.</p>

Bhael
04-08-2011, 06:01 PM
<p>I finished the Summer Home I was working on when I wrote this and as expected I ran out of room. I was able to get it done to a presentable stage and I think it came out wonderful. But it has many places that just seem incomplete to me. Basically its missing a lot of  "clutter". I had to remove many things I had in it to make room for other more needed things. Plus I didn't even use the upper area of one of the rooms. Its very frustrating because you need clutter in a house to make it look lived in and in an exceptionally large house like this you need even more.</p><p>If you want to you can check it out here...<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=498417" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=498417</a>I think setting the item limit based on the number of rooms a place has would work ok if all the rooms used in every house were the same size. Unfortunately they aren't and that makes it a bad and unfair way of doing it. It should be based on the amount of space a house has, either area or volume, preferably volume.</p><p>And what really frustrates me is that I come from a 3d modeling background and I know just how easy it would be for them to go back and get the area or volume of the existing places. The modelers could probably get it in a matter of minutes. And for new houses it would be a no brainer. They'd just have it from the beginning. And to change the item limits would also be a no brainer. They most likely just have the values in a table that the game accesses so they would just have to go back and change a number. You could probably go in and within an hour get the correct area/volume values for all the houses and then from that get your new values and enter them in the table.</p><p>I just think its stupid that if you made a house the size of the front room of the 2 room apartment and divided it into 4 small rooms it would get an item limit of 400. Thats just dumb, but thats what we've got here. Here we have a house the size of the largest of the other houses yet it only gets an item limit of 400 because its space happens to be divided into only 4 rooms instead of more.</p>

SIERRYA
04-08-2011, 06:41 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am also looking forward to the upcoming changes to the SC expanders. I'm hoping they will allow multiple expanders as I gave example too in my post.</p></blockquote><p>OOO what changes, must have missed the post about them =)</p><p>Also I agree SoE needs to consider exactly how much space is in a home to decorate not just number of rooms. I am still waiting to claim my everfrost home but I know I will be aggravated with a low item count. I also think clutter makes a home look better =)</p>

Aiana
04-08-2011, 07:04 PM
<p>Yes, please make the item count bigger. I've said it in another post and on the post I made about the home I decorated. Each time I decorate a home I get crap about why the item count is so low. I keep telling them to say something on the forums, but it seems to be easier to gripe at me about it lol</p><p>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE increase the item limit. People that dont read the forums just think that they are getting a really crappy house. Alot of people I have talked to would have passed up the collector's edition if not for this house. Up the item count or announce to everyone on an update or some such that this house isn't meant to be a "house".</p><p>I humbly beg at the feet of the devs and housing gods to to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE INCREASE THE ITEM COUNT! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p>

SecrAtive Girl
04-08-2011, 07:44 PM
<p>i also wish they would up the limit to 600, but i don't think this is going to happen. when this was brought up in a thread right after DoV was released, this is what domino had to say.... that seemed like nice way of letting us know it's never going to happen. idk what the reason would be. maybe it has something to do with the code on this specific house *shrug*. after i read this i consoled myself to the fact that they will not be raising the item limit, so i am going to wait to do mine until they introduce multiple housing, so can carry out all my ideas.</p><p><span ><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Skiff is 600, 7yr vet reward is 800, Freeblood Lair is 700 but the new Everfrost "Premium" house is only 400.</p><p>Was that an oversight?  The place is huge (vertically) and 400 is kind of low.</p><p>Can this be reconsidered?  Can all of the premium houses be 800 to match the 7yr vet?</p></blockquote><p>The prestige homes are going to be a whole range of shapes and sizes.  The item limits we've set on them roughly correspond to the number of rooms they have, as their comparative sizes are so different that it doesn't make sense to have them all the same item limit.  The Everfrost Summer Home, being only 3 room, does not have the same item limit as the enormous Veteran reward manor, or other larger houses; other prestige homes may have higher limits (or even lower, if they're tiny).</p><p>As we continue to add more prestige housing, I think you'll get used to seeing a wide variety of sizes and limits.</p><p><cite>SecrAtive Girl wrote:</cite></p><p><span><blockquote>yes that item limit needs to go up. that place is so tall it will be necessary to build in multiple floors. 400 items slots just won't do it.</blockquote></span></p><p>I realize it may be heresy to say so in this forum, but it's not actually <strong><em>necessary</em></strong> to install multiple floors in a home with high ceilings ... <img src="../images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />  400 items (plus carpenter expander, and maybe a SC expander too if you really want) is quite possible to decorate a three room home with! <img src="../images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p></span></p>

Bhael
04-08-2011, 08:44 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span><p>The prestige homes are going to be a whole range of shapes and sizes.  The item limits we've set on them roughly correspond to the number of rooms they have, as their comparative sizes are so different that it doesn't make sense to have them all the same item limit.  The Everfrost Summer Home, being only 3 room, does not have the same item limit as the enormous Veteran reward manor, or other larger houses; other prestige homes may have higher limits (or even lower, if they're tiny).</p><p>As we continue to add more prestige housing, I think you'll get used to seeing a wide variety of sizes and limits.</p><p>I realize it may be heresy to say so in this forum, but it's not actually <strong><em>necessary</em></strong> to install multiple floors in a home with high ceilings ... <img src="../images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />  400 items (plus carpenter expander, and maybe a SC expander too if you really want) is quite possible to decorate a three room home with! <img src="../images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p></span></p></blockquote><p>The whole point of this post was to refute this quote. It is why I went through all the trouble of measuring the houses and comparing them, and it is why I said that just because the space is divided into 4 rooms doesn't mean its that same size as other 4 room houses. I will continue to say this until someone at SOE hears me - This house though it has 4 rooms is HUGE. It is NOT the size of other 4 room houses. It is larger than nearly every other house in the game and it needs to have a much higher item limit.I believe I have given plenty of very good examples and reasons to support this claim. But I have yet to hear any SOE response to them.</p>

Katz
04-08-2011, 09:10 PM
<p>The skiff is basically one "room" and not near as large as the summer home.  I can understand that different houses could have different limits....but larger homes should have larger limits.</p>

Maisland
04-09-2011, 06:09 PM
<p><cite>Katz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The skiff is basically one "room" and not near as large as the summer home.  I can understand that different houses could have different limits....but larger homes should have larger limits.</p></blockquote><p>Given that the <strong>skiff</strong> only has one "room," the argument that the Everfrost Summer Home has such a low item count because it only has 4 rooms is fallacious.  The Everfrost Summer Home should have at least as large an item limit as the skiff.</p><p>The 400 count limit wouldn't be so bad if the rooms were not so very large.  I don't have a problem with the 400 count limit on my characters' smaller homes.<span ><span></span></span></p><p><span ><span>"400 items (plus carpenter expander, and maybe a SC expander too if you really want) is quite possible to decorate a three room home with!"  This statement is only true if the house in question is actually small.  The Everfrost Summer Home is <strong>not</strong> by <strong>any</strong> means <strong>small</strong>.</span></span>  <span ><span>Even if you don't build up, the rooms are huge.  To make this place look good (as this house demonstrates: <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=498417" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=498417</a> ), the expanders are <strong>required</strong>, not optional.</span></span></p>

Bhael
04-09-2011, 07:02 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Given that the <strong>skiff</strong> only has one "room," the argument that the Everfrost Summer Home has such a low item count because it only has 4 rooms is fallacious.  The Everfrost Summer Home should have at least as large an item limit as the skiff.</p></blockquote><p>Oh wow, you know I didn't even realize that. You're right the skiff IS indeed a one room place so according to all the SoE comments it should have a 1 slot vault and a 100 item limit! Yet it has a 5 slot vault and a 600 item limit! Whats up with that??!?!? How can SOE possibly justifiy it having a higher item limit and more vault slots?</p><p>Come on Domino, you have to see the problem here.</p>

Sandyfoot
04-11-2011, 11:22 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Katz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The skiff is basically one "room" and not near as large as the summer home.  I can understand that different houses could have different limits....but larger homes should have larger limits.</p></blockquote><p>Given that the <strong>skiff</strong> only has one "room," the argument that the Everfrost Summer Home has such a low item count because it only has 4 rooms is fallacious.  The Everfrost Summer Home should have at least as large an item limit as the skiff.</p><p>The 400 count limit wouldn't be so bad if the rooms were not so very large.  I don't have a problem with the 400 count limit on my characters' smaller homes.<span></span></p><p><span><span>"400 items (plus carpenter expander, and maybe a SC expander too if you really want) is quite possible to decorate a three room home with!"  This statement is only true if the house in question is actually small.  The Everfrost Summer Home is <strong>not</strong> by <strong>any</strong> means <strong>small</strong>.</span></span>  <span><span>Even if you don't build up, the rooms are huge.  To make this place look good (as this house demonstrates: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=498417" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=498417</a> ), the expanders are <strong>required</strong>, not optional.</span></span></p></blockquote><p>I've come to the conclusion that the "Summer House" was thrown into the CE because it was there and they did not even bother to look at what it was. I came to this conclusion because they DID NOT KNOW a person was dumped into the middle of the floor when entering. They probably still don't know the moving crate is dumped in the air and requires a control + mousewheel to lower it.</p><p>When it was included in the CE, I don't think anyone tested it to see what it actually was and just threw it in since the expansion felt so rushed and disorganised. If they did test it, the person testing it said, "Oh, yep. It is a residence. Looks good to me" and did not bother reviewing the details. I don't see how anyone can come to the conclusion the house is "small" or failed to notice entering as if being dropped through the hole in the roof.</p><p>Even the description for the item count expander is not what the developer  Domino said it was. There is a real disconnect going on somewhere.</p>