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Gzelle
01-08-2011, 10:34 PM
<p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #ff0000; font-size: large;">New to the layout editor?  You are in the right place!</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Time:  </span></span><span style="color: #00ff00; font-size: medium;"> BY APPOINTMENT - POST IN THIS THREAD IF YOU WOULD LIKE A CLASS!</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; color: #ffffff;">Where:  Test Copy server - Gracey's 1 Room Gorowyn house</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">What to bring:  yourself and maybe some paper and a pen for notes</span></p><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">What level do I need to be:  You can make a level 1 char on Test Copy if you don't already have a char copied over.</p><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Chat:  If you come to Gracey's 1 Room house in Gorowyn or let us know in the chat channel /join Antonia_Bayle.Homeshow we will get you a guild invite and we are using Norrathian Decorator Academy guild for chatting. Sending a tell to me around class time and that will get you an invite into the guild as well. (our guild is called Norrathian Decorators Academy).</p><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Fun stuff:  Tiling displays are set up in the guild hall to help you work through some of the most common problems - it's in Halas if you would like to visit.</p><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">What should I expect to learn?  Please expect to learn the real basic nuts and bolts to the layout editor I cover this in each class.  How to move things - size things - flip things around.  You will be participating!!  Also tiling and new from dif as time allows!  There will be advanced classes offered later by Jazabelle so watch for that post when she gets ready to do it!!</p><p> copied from Kahlef's post:</p><blockquote><p>@Everyone else who might be interested on it....</p><p>If you don't know how to access the Test Copy server, here are a couple links with instructions<a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/test_copy_%28eq2_server%29"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: #b5c7c2;">:</span></span></a></p><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/test_copy_%28eq2_server%29" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: #b5c7c2;">For Station Launcher (aka "The Blue Patcher")</span></span></a></p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=493599" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: #b5c7c2;">For the new (streaming one? Something else? I am not too sure honestly...) EQ2 launcher</span></span></a></p><p>No character slots are necessary. As Senya said right before this post, you have the same number of free slots as your number of character slots on live. I.e. Your total number of character slots on live is 7. Then you have 7 free slots on Test/Test Copy. Think of it like it was creating a character in another region server.</p><p>Also, if you don't have a character copied to Test Copy yet, you can make a new one. Just make sure to select <strong>Test Copy</strong> on the end of the character selection. Do <strong>not </strong>choose Test!</p><p>Classes are being held on Gorowyn, the newbie inn room, under Gracey. Cloudrat has been kind to let us user her guild, Heroes of Test so we can use guild chat for the classes. So you will be invited to join it as soon as you arrive over there. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>All classes are typed. So don't worry about microphone or anything like that. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Be sure to download the latest version of Jesdyr's Layout Editor and installing it before the class. You can find it <a href="http://www.eq2designers.com/?page_id=7" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: #b5c7c2;">here</span></span></a>.</p></blockquote>

Bitsy
01-08-2011, 10:52 PM
<p>I use the editor sparingly prefering to work with the layout files in notepad++ but I would be happy to pop onto testcopy to learn how others use  the editor and share some of the things I do with the layout files.</p>

Cloudrat
01-08-2011, 11:53 PM
<p>I hope to attend barring unforseen circumstances or a mishap with my swiss cheese memory<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Gzelle
01-10-2011, 10:55 AM
<p>I would love to have people come who DO use the layout editor also - we can "share" ideas that way!</p>

Gzelle
01-12-2011, 01:03 AM
<p>Still planning on doing this Wed night for any who want to join us!!</p>

Farahn
01-12-2011, 08:35 AM
<p>Are you doing both days, wednesday and thursday?  I'll try to be there tonight but tomorrow for sure.</p>

Gzelle
01-12-2011, 10:07 AM
<p>Yes, both nights !!  Wednesday and Thursday !!</p>

Jesdyr
01-12-2011, 12:44 PM
<p>I would like to listen in .. but that is earlier than my normal play time so I doubt I would make it.</p>

Gzelle
01-12-2011, 02:36 PM
<p>Jes - I didn't know your schedule when I set this up - but I'll try to accommodate your time zone in future?  I am hoping this will turn into a weekly swap meet and I sure could use an auctioneer!!  I think that there are many many of us that would like to learn the more advanced features from you /insert batting eyes here/ if you would be willing in the future?</p>

Jesdyr
01-12-2011, 04:59 PM
<p>it's ok .. I dont actually play much in the last few months. When I do hop on it is normally after 10pm EST.</p>

Cloudrat
01-13-2011, 12:42 AM
<p>Thanks soo much for my first class in using the  layout editor. It is so nice to have some of the cobwebs blow away in my brain and the mystery of the editor revealed! </p><p>Gracey you are a born instructor and have the patience of a saint<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and thanks to your teaching assistant the cute little rat boy.</p><p>Pizazz thanks for the lesson in floor inlay what a revelation that  was you are awesome<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I am looking foward to coming back tomorrow for more insights in the the techie side of decorating.</p><p>Kudos.</p><p>Cloudrat</p>

Khiara
01-13-2011, 09:17 AM
<p>**sigh** Naturally due to family issues I missed Wednesdays class...but have warned EVERYONE I'm NOT missing Thursdays class lol  Just wondering if you'll be using in game voice chat for instruction or ?</p>

Jojanne
01-13-2011, 09:44 AM
<p>Thank you sooo much for having this class.  I enjoyed seeing everyone, and learning.  I had tried a couple of maneuvers on my own, but look forward to learning more.  You are a very good instructor Gracey, and I hope I can make it there tonight.</p><p>Just wanted to say thanks.</p>

Farahn
01-13-2011, 09:48 AM
<p>ended up my download was over an hour long to test server.  I should be ready tonight.  Is the class tonight a continuation?  Or will it be the same class for those who missed last night.  (hoping to hear about inlays again)</p><p>Respectfully</p><p>Bibbony, Flibbity Jibbit extraordinaire</p>

Gzelle
01-13-2011, 10:31 AM
<p>The class will repeat last night - maybe moving just a little further ahead tonight, depending on circumstances.  No, we are not using voice chat - we are doing it the old fashioned way (typing).  Cloudrat graciously let us use her guild so we could all chat in guild chat.  I'm not sure if Pizazz will be there tonight for another demo, but we can hope! We all had a lot of fun and I look forward to seeing everyone tonight!</p>

Aiana
01-13-2011, 12:09 PM
<p>I'm going to try to make it tonight as well. I've never done anything with the test server before, but I'll try to muddle through it. I was sorry to hear that I missed out on the inlays and things. Expect one more for tonight <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p>

Afista
01-13-2011, 12:19 PM
<p>I only just saw this post and am sorry that I missed last night : / I'd LOVE to attend tonight!  I'm not sure how to get a character to test server though. I don't need an empty character slot do I? Will try to figure that out when the server comes back up :p</p>

Senya
01-13-2011, 12:29 PM
<p>No free slot necessary.  =)   If you've got 10 slots on live then you can have 10 more toons on the test servers. </p>

Kahlef
01-13-2011, 02:43 PM
<p>Thanks everybody for coming to the class yesterday. It was very fun! Here is looking for more fun tonight. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>@Cloudrat</p><p>I agree completely with you about Gracee. I really couldn't think of anyone better than her to do it. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Also, thanks but I am not as much an assistant as the token rat. You know a class isn't as fun without a token rat.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>@Farahn</p><p>My apologies about that. I should have sent the reminder way earlier so people who didn't know about it could have had the time to patch the test client. I will see about correcting that mistake tonight.</p><p>@Everyone else who might be interested on it....</p><p>If you don't know how to access the Test Copy server, here are a couple links with instructions<a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/test_copy_%28eq2_server%29">:</a></p><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/test_copy_%28eq2_server%29" target="_blank">For Station Launcher (aka "The Blue Patcher")</a></p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=493599" target="_blank">For the new (streaming one? Something else? I am not too sure honestly...) EQ2 launcher</a></p><p>No character slots are necessary. As Senya said right before this post, you have the same number of free slots as your number of character slots on live. I.e. Your total number of character slots on live is 7. Then you have 7 free slots on Test/Test Copy. Think of it like it was creating a character in another region server.</p><p>Also, if you don't have a character copied to Test Copy yet, you can make a new one. Just make sure to select <strong>Test Copy</strong> on the end of the character selection. Do <strong>not </strong>choose Test!</p><p>Classes are being held on Gorowyn, the newbie inn room, under Gracey. Cloudrat has been kind to let us user her guild, Heroes of Test so we can use guild chat for the classes. So you will be invited to join it as soon as you arrive over there. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>All classes are typed. So don't worry about microphone or anything like that. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Any other questions, just ask here or just holler in-game!</p><p><strong>EDIT: </strong>Forgot to mention this!</p><p>Be sure to download the latest version of Jesdyr's Layout Editor and installing it before the class. You can find it <a href="http://www.eq2designers.com/?page_id=7" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>

Gzelle
01-13-2011, 02:45 PM
<p>see above</p><p>This is why I just love that token rat!!</p>

Jesdyr
01-13-2011, 03:27 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is why I just love that token rat!!</p></blockquote><p>is this a bad time to mention that my Alt guild's name is "Death of Rats" ?</p>

Gzelle
01-13-2011, 03:38 PM
<p>You crack me up Jes!</p>

Eveningsong
01-13-2011, 09:30 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is why I just love that token rat!!</p></blockquote><p>is this a bad time to mention that my Alt guild's name is "Death of Rats" ?</p></blockquote><p>Ack!  LOL, hopefully I can remember this time!</p>

Farahn
01-13-2011, 10:04 PM
<p>Well, It's after 7 on Test Server and I have not seen Hide nor Hair of another decorator.  Beginning to think that I may have messed up somehow.    I'm logged in as Bowkiss in the event someone can send me a tell</p>

Rainmare
01-13-2011, 10:15 PM
<p>apparently Test server is different then Test Copy...and I have no access or even an option to get to Test Copy :/</p>

Eveningsong
01-13-2011, 10:46 PM
<p>If you go to character select and create a new character, you'll be given the option to choose from Test or Test Copy.  Just pick Test Copy and preferably a toon based in Gorowyn, since that's where the lesson is being held <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</p>

Bitsy
01-13-2011, 11:56 PM
<p>Thanks Gracey for hosting!  You are a great teacher!</p><p>A quick recap of the floor tile demo & how I (yes... pizazz=bitsy) inlay tiles...</p><ol><li>Throw tiles on the floor to figure out how you want to inlay them.</li><li>Align all to the same X & Y postitions</li><li>Roll 180</li><li>Adjust Z axis so there is 0.001 difference in the layers.</li><li>Tweak as needed.</li></ol>

Aiana
01-14-2011, 01:08 AM
<p>/sigh I missed it again. This time I was at Best Buy making my hubby buy me a new comp lol. Thanks for the refresher on what happened in the courses and such. Maybe there will be better luck next week /sigh</p>

Cloudrat
01-14-2011, 04:25 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>apparently Test server is different then Test Copy...and I have no access or even an option to get to Test Copy :/</p></blockquote><p>Whem you create a new character on the test server you are given an choice of test or test copy server to make the toon on just like on live when you make a new toon and can choose everfrost or oasis or crushbone or a bunch of others.  If you are coming for the class that is a good way to go  so you can join the guild being used for chatting and holding class.</p>

Gzelle
01-15-2011, 08:00 PM
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">Next week's topic:  <span style="color: #ffff00;">New from Different</span></span>     <span style="font-size: medium;">NEW TIME:  <span style="color: #ffff00;">9PM Central time (10 EST - 8 MTN - 7PST) Wednesday AND Thursday </span>  Test_Copy server.  Instructions for getting to Test_Copy are posted above.</span></p><p>Don't panic - this is an easy topic plus will catch anyone up that missed last week's !!   </p>

Andowen
01-16-2011, 08:17 AM
<p>This class sounds like a great idea and it's times like this I wish I wasn't Europeean <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" />9PM central is 3AM my time and there's no way I could make that on a weekday.</p><p>Maybe the friendly people attending or teaching the class would be willing to post more recaps like the one Bitsy did, for us who are unable to attend? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

Gzelle
01-16-2011, 01:26 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This class sounds like a great idea and it's times like this I wish I wasn't Europeean <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" />9PM central is 3AM my time and there's no way I could make that on a weekday.</p><p>Maybe the friendly people attending or teaching the class would be willing to post more recaps like the one Bitsy did, for us who are unable to attend? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I would be glad to give you a "catch-up" lesson and show you what was covered - anytime I'm in game holler at me (usually I'm in one of Gracey's forms in "homeshow")</p>

Starley
01-16-2011, 04:17 PM
<p>Gracey! I desperately want to learn how to use this program... and I fully intended to attend your classes, however this week life had other plans for me ( I was in a car accident and I've been sleeping a lot due to the pain medicines). Is there any way I could pay for priveate lessons sometime? I would be most grateful.</p>

Gzelle
01-16-2011, 09:43 PM
<p>NOT pay - but I will be glad to come to AB and help you learn <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Andowen
01-17-2011, 08:52 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This class sounds like a great idea and it's times like this I wish I wasn't Europeean <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" />9PM central is 3AM my time and there's no way I could make that on a weekday.</p><p>Maybe the friendly people attending or teaching the class would be willing to post more recaps like the one Bitsy did, for us who are unable to attend? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I would be glad to give you a "catch-up" lesson and show you what was covered - anytime I'm in game holler at me (usually I'm in one of Gracey's forms in "homeshow")</p></blockquote><p>Thank you Gracey, that's really sweet of you <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Starley
01-17-2011, 10:10 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This class sounds like a great idea and it's times like this I wish I wasn't Europeean <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" />9PM central is 3AM my time and there's no way I could make that on a weekday.</p><p>Maybe the friendly people attending or teaching the class would be willing to post more recaps like the one Bitsy did, for us who are unable to attend? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I would be glad to give you a "catch-up" lesson and show you what was covered - anytime I'm in game holler at me (usually I'm in one of Gracey's forms in "homeshow")</p></blockquote><p>Thank you Gracey, that's really sweet of you <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Gracey is very very sweet, and an AWESOME teacher.  She has the patience of a saint and explains things so well and without making you feel inferior at all. I learned a lot! She's awesome!!!</p>

Aiana
01-18-2011, 04:30 PM
<p>Gracey was the bestest teacher. She came over to my guild hall and did a preview of the next class for me. I have a new computer so I was constantly getting lost, but she was very patient and after about half and hour we finally figured it out. After that it was a breeze. Thanks Gracey! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p>

Gzelle
01-19-2011, 04:43 PM
<p><span style="color: #ffcc99;">Tonight - NEW FROM DIFFERENT - 10 EST - 9 CST - 8 MTN - 7 Pacific</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffcc99;">Test COPY server.  Just make a char on test and choose TEST COPY server - we will be in a 1 room Gorowyn under the name Gracey.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffcc99;">Just a friendly reminder <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></span></p>

Gzelle
01-20-2011, 03:55 PM
<p><div><p>Tonight's topic:  NEW FROM DIFFERENT</p><p>Time:  10 EST - 9 CST 8 MTN - 7 Pacific</p><p>Where:  Test Copy server - Gracey's 1 Room Gorowyn house</p><p>What to bring:  yourself and maybe some paper and a pen for notes</p><p>What level do I need to be:  You can make a level 1 char on Test Copy</p><p>Chat:  If you come to Gracey's house or let us know in either Antonia_Bayle.Homeshow or Test.Test we will get you a guild invite and we are using Cloudrat's (well and my) guild for chatting.</p><p>Fun stuff to come:  Displays being set up for next week!</p></div></p>

Hisvet
01-21-2011, 12:15 PM
<p>I took the three hours to get the test up and running and went to the tutorial.  There I saw the famous Cloudrat and other esteemed eager designers and enjoyed Gracey's class.  I really appreciate the time and effort the whole team there are putting into this (thank you Jaz for spending some spiral time with me).  I cannot wait for the next class.  Videos don't do it for me, text is okay, hands on is the best for my e-learning.</p><p>Again, thank you so much.</p>

Jazabelle
01-21-2011, 04:40 PM
<p>So that Gracey is not completely swamped in people trying to catch up to the classes and learn the layout editor, I am willing to help catch people up or explain concepts they may have forgotten between classes. Just poke me in Antonia_Bayle.Homeshow, or via /tells!</p>

Gzelle
01-24-2011, 09:23 AM
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="font-size: small;">This Week's Topic:  Tiling Tiles</span></span></p><p>Time:  WEDNESDAY - 10PM EST - 9PM CST - 8PM MTN - 7PM PST</p><p>           THURSDAY - 8PM EST - 7PM CST - 6PM MTN - 5PM PST</p><p>I keep changing time hoping to accommodated the most people around their normal raid and play times.  I'll try to stick to this schedule.</p><p><span style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; color: #ffffff;">Where:  Test Copy server - Gracey's 1 Room Gorowyn house</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">What to bring:  yourself and maybe some paper and a pen for notes</span></p><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">What level do I need to be:  You can make a level 1 char on Test Copy if you don't already have a char copied over.</p><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Chat:  If you come to Gracey's house or let us know in either Antonia_Bayle.Homeshow or Test.Test we will get you a guild invite and we are using Cloudrat's (well and my) guild for chatting.</p><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Fun stuff to come:  Displays set up!</p>

feldon30
01-24-2011, 10:34 AM
Dumb question, but in order to learn something, I need to know the *why*. Do these classes go into the nitty-gritty of *why* things must be done a certain way? I understand that exact angles of 0° and 90° are problematic, so we must use 0.001° and 89.999°. But why the 180° roll?

Jesdyr
01-24-2011, 11:48 AM
<p><cite>feldon30 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I understand that exact angles of 0° and 90° are problematic, so we must use 0.001° and 89.999°. But why the 180° roll?</blockquote><p>The mount point of tiles is on the bottom. By rolling 180 it means the top of the item will stay the same even if the scale is changed (which changes the thickness of the tile). This is handy when you are lining up tiles of different scale. It also makes things a little easier for doing patterns.</p>

Gzelle
01-24-2011, 05:56 PM
<p><cite>feldon30 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Dumb question, but in order to learn something, I need to know the *why*. Do these classes go into the nitty-gritty of *why* things must be done a certain way? </blockquote><p>Yes, since we have conquered the basics, and the new from different - these classes will now start getting to all the in-depth reasons of how and why.  Plus some nifty little tricks we (myself, Rakuno (Kahlef), Jazabelle, Pizazz and others) have learned along the way.  I am in the process now of setting up some displays to show the how's and why's!</p>

Jazabelle
01-24-2011, 06:29 PM
<p><cite>feldon30 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I understand that exact angles of 0° and 90° are problematic, so we must use 0.001° and 89.999°. But why the 180° roll?</blockquote><p>Actually, the only whole angle that falls on cardinal points that is fine is 0°. You can set things to 0° all day long, and there will be no flickers, no spazzes, no nothing. A 0° item is a happy item.</p>

feldon30
01-24-2011, 06:39 PM
<p>Very cool. Thanks. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>As I learn more, I'll blog about it on EQ2Wire.</p>

Hisvet
01-24-2011, 06:45 PM
<p>Looking forward to Thursday's class.  Thank you!</p>

Bitsy
01-24-2011, 07:44 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>feldon30 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I understand that exact angles of 0° and 90° are problematic, so we must use 0.001° and 89.999°. But why the 180° roll?</blockquote><p>The mount point of tiles is on the bottom. By rolling 180 it means the top of the item will stay the same even if the scale is changed (which changes the thickness of the tile). This is handy when you are lining up tiles of different scale. It also makes things a little easier for doing patterns.</p></blockquote><p>I'm assuming you are refering to my recap of how I inlay tiles?  No, the 180 roll (or 179.999) isn't necessary, but as Jesdyr said, it is very handy when stacking then leveling tiles of different scale.</p><p>When you are setting the tiles into each other, you can offset the Z axis by 0.001 after the 180 roll to make them appear flat.  If you don't roll them, then there is trial and error on the Z axis to get them to appear flat.</p><p>The following example inlay involved 7 tiles. Rolling them 180 made setting the Z height easy to make them appear flat.</p><p><img src="http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/dsturner1970/Pizazz/inlay_example.jpg" border="0" /></p>

Farahn
01-25-2011, 11:47 AM
<p>Ack~  Did I miss this workshop?  ((Holds breath with fingers crossed))</p>

Jazabelle
01-25-2011, 12:51 PM
<p><cite>Farahn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ack~  Did I miss this workshop?  ((Holds breath with fingers crossed))</p></blockquote><p>Nope! Tiling tiles is coming this week.</p>

Gzelle
01-25-2011, 05:19 PM
<p>I have been posting back on the first page of when the current week's class will be.  This week Wednesday and Thursday!!</p>

eq2housing
01-27-2011, 05:44 PM
<p>I think the class last night was a success! Thank you again for taking the time to put it together and teach it - and Jazabelle too!</p>

Gzelle
01-27-2011, 07:18 PM
<p>I hope to have many more tonight as well - don't forget about it and I'll announce it in homeshow and test before we start tonight!!</p>

Jazabelle
01-27-2011, 08:14 PM
<p><cite>eq2housing wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>...and Jazabelle too!</p></blockquote><p>All I did was show up for moral support! ...and then suddenly Gracey's saying, "Oh, and Jazabelle will be doing X!" And I went, "WHAT?!?!" ....hope I didn't confuse anyone too much! When I agreed to teach the tile tool, I had thought we were going to have a few more lessons in between first. I was <em>not</em> a prepared teacher!</p>

Farahn
01-28-2011, 05:06 PM
<p>did anaone take notes in the tiling class?  I fell asleep and my husband just let me sleep for the rest of the night.  bah!</p>

Jazabelle
01-28-2011, 06:10 PM
<p><cite>Farahn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>did anaone take notes in the tiling class?  I fell asleep and my husband just let me sleep for the rest of the night.  bah!</p></blockquote><p>Several people had their log files on. I cannot remember who, since I didn't have my files on, and was teaching for half the time.</p><p>If you cannot find someone to tell you what happened, or to give you a transcription, I can teach it to you at some point. Just poke me.</p>

Gzelle
01-30-2011, 11:53 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: large;">This Week's Topic:  Frequently Asked Questions (Bring all your best questions from what we have learned so far and we'll go back over anything missing!)</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Time:  WEDNESDAY - 10PM EST - 9PM CST - 8PM MTN - 7PM PST</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="font-size: medium;">           THURSDAY - 8PM EST - 7PM CST - 6PM MTN - 5PM PST</span></span></p><p>I keep changing time hoping to accommodated the most people around their normal raid and play times.  I'll try to stick to this schedule.</p><p><span style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; color: #ffffff;">Where:  Test Copy server - Gracey's 1 Room Gorowyn house</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">What to bring:  yourself and maybe some paper and a pen for notes</span></p><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">What level do I need to be:  You can make a level 1 char on Test Copy if you don't already have a char copied over.</p><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Chat:  If you come to Gracey's house or let us know in either Antonia_Bayle.Homeshow or Test.Test we will get you a guild invite and we are using Cloudrat's (well and my) guild for chatting.</p><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Fun stuff to come:  Displays set up!</p></blockquote>

Jesdyr
02-01-2011, 07:12 PM
<p>Ok .. I just finished up a new little feature for the editor to overcome the problem of manually replacing the UIDs when using the tile tool among other things.</p><p>This will be under "Tools" called "Replace tmp UIDs"</p><p><img src="http://www.eq2designers.com/images/ReplaceUIDs1.jpg" width="487" height="187" /></p><p>This will replace any UID that is set to "999999" (I changed everything to output this) with a UID that is the the selected layout. It will only use UIDs for items that are in the moving crate of the house and will not duplicate a UID that is already in the loaded layout (unless it in the crate).</p><p>I should have this up later tonight.</p>

Gzelle
02-01-2011, 07:43 PM
<p>/hugs Jesdyr!!</p>

Jazabelle
02-01-2011, 07:45 PM
<p>Oh YAY thank you so much, Jesdyr!</p>

Kallus
02-01-2011, 08:29 PM
<p>Thanks Jesdyr!</p>

Jesdyr
02-02-2011, 11:07 AM
<p>I forgot to put the files on a drive and wasnt able to upload it lastnight. It is up now.</p>

Gzelle
02-02-2011, 12:07 PM
<p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p>

Gzelle
02-03-2011, 10:22 AM
<p>Wow - that hurt - last night ended in the test server going down for an update just a half hour into class!  All who came I hope will be able to attend the EARLIER class tonight!  </p>

Jesdyr
02-06-2011, 10:47 AM
<p>I put a link to this thread in the consolidated layout info thread.I dont know how much longer you plan on doing this, but I figured I would add the link anyway.</p>

Gzelle
02-06-2011, 10:51 AM
<p>/hug.  I will continue to do this as long as people show up to class!  There is always something to learn !</p>

Gzelle
02-07-2011, 06:37 PM
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: large;">This Week's Topic: Cancelled this week for Erollisi Day </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Time:  WEDNESDAY - 10PM EST - 9PM CST - 8PM MTN - 7PM PST</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="font-size: medium;">           THURSDAY - 8PM EST - 7PM CST - 6PM MTN - 5PM PST</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; color: #ffffff;">Where:  Test Copy server - Gracey's 1 Room Gorowyn house</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">What to bring:  yourself and maybe some paper and a pen for notes</span></p><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">What level do I need to be:  You can make a level 1 char on Test Copy if you don't already have a char copied over.</p><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Chat:  If you come to Gracey's house or let us know in either Antonia_Bayle.Homeshow or Test.Test we will get you a guild invite and we are using Cloudrat's (well and my) guild for chatting.</p>

Cloudrat
02-11-2011, 05:53 PM
<p>We need to get this thread stickied so you can just keep editing first post with new class information and THANKS  DOMINO  for fixing the guild name on test copy to be Norrathian Decorators Academy!!   The NDA now has it's name and guildhall and Leader Gracey!!</p>

Gzelle
02-11-2011, 08:01 PM
<p>YAY Cloud!!! Thanks you and thanks Domino!!</p>

Gzelle
02-12-2011, 12:29 PM
<p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: large;">This Week's Topic:  Angles - angles and more angles!!  Plus make up for anyone wanting to just get started!!!</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Time:  WEDNESDAY - 10PM EST - 9PM CST - 8PM MTN - 7PM PST</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="font-size: medium;">           THURSDAY - 8PM EST - 7PM CST - 6PM MTN - 5PM PST</span></span></p></p>

Gzelle
02-16-2011, 09:55 PM
<p>Reminder - since we dont have chat - this is tonight!!</p>

Gzelle
02-17-2011, 12:15 AM
<p><span style="color: #ff9900;">Due to lack of interest on Wednesday nights - I'm only going to be having the class once a week on Thursdays now.</span></p>

Melianteas
02-17-2011, 02:54 PM
<p>I'm going to create a char in test server to attend the classes if still the course is going on.</p>

Gzelle
02-17-2011, 03:37 PM
<p>It is!!!  and it's tonight!!</p><p>Make sure to create a char on the Test_COPY server.</p>

Melianteas
02-17-2011, 09:49 PM
<p> Sorry I misssed it but because I'm in GMT (UK time) once I downloaded and patched the test server already was very late.</p><p>Well.. next week then. And thank you very much</p>

Jazabelle
02-17-2011, 10:00 PM
<p><cite>Melianteas wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> Sorry I misssed it but because I'm in GMT (UK time) once I downloaded and patched the test server already was very late.</p><p>Well.. next week then. And thank you very much</p></blockquote><p>You haven't missed this week! It's right now!</p>

Melianteas
02-18-2011, 02:32 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Melianteas wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> Sorry I misssed it but because I'm in GMT (UK time) once I downloaded and patched the test server already was very late.</p><p>Well.. next week then. And thank you very much</p></blockquote><p>You haven't missed this week! It's right now!</p></blockquote><p>Uh? *scratches head* I'm confused!....</p><p>You're right! I was convinced (dunno why....)  the course was at 3pm GMT and now I just realized must be 1am here. Yesterday I wrote the message and gone to bed. Sorry.</p><p>Uff kinda late but I guess at that time kids won't bother me... *sighs*</p><p>How long is the course 1 hour or 2 hours ..? Argg sorry to be so pest, but I'm so looking forward to learn. I am trying to convince a friend to come to the class also.</p>

Gzelle
02-18-2011, 03:46 PM
<p>The class usually runs about an hour - but if you would like I can arrange for a private lesson.  Look for one of my char's (listed below) to arrange that!!</p>

daisiechain
02-22-2011, 03:15 PM
<p>I apologize if this is mentioned elsewhere in this thread but I'm reading this at work (shhhh...) and I might have missed it.</p><p>Is Ventrilo or Voice Chat used for these classes? I've never used Voice Chat before. Is anyone welcome to attend?</p><p>I love decorating my house and I'm a master carpenter but I can't figure out the layout editor for the life of me. </p><p>Also, one question I have that might not be suitable to answer here...where do the special houses come from? I've never seen anywhere where we're allowed to make our own house. I also see furniture in the pictures that I've never seen in game. I'm a newb in many ways but looking at some of this stuff I'm think I'm a bigger newb than I ever realized.</p>

Jazabelle
02-22-2011, 03:24 PM
<p><cite>daisiechain wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I apologize if this is mentioned elsewhere in this thread but I'm reading this at work (shhhh...) and I might have missed it.</p><p>Is Ventrilo or Voice Chat used for these classes? I've never used Voice Chat before. Is anyone welcome to attend?</p><p>I love decorating my house and I'm a master carpenter but I can't figure out the layout editor for the life of me. </p><p>Also, one question I have that might not be suitable to answer here...where do the special houses come from? I've never seen anywhere where we're allowed to make our own house. I also see furniture in the pictures that I've never seen in game. I'm a newb in many ways but looking at some of this stuff I'm think I'm a bigger newb than I ever realized.</p></blockquote><p>No, voice chat is not used. We use text only, so that people can turn on their logs and can re-read the lessons if they need to.</p><p>The "special houses" as you call them are what most people call "break out" houses. They are houses where people have broken out of the confines of the default houses into the zone surrounding the house, and built their own structures. This is accomplished with the teleportation pads.</p><p>Some of the furniture you've never seen in-game is probably because it was built out of different pieces of furniture (as in, using cushions and bookcases to build a couch). Other pieces are just likely pieces you haven't seen before. There are a <em>lot</em> of furniture options in this game!</p>

Tammie
02-22-2011, 03:50 PM
<p>I would love to join in on a course. Are you going to be doing one on Feb. 23, 2011?</p><p>Tammie/Butcherblock</p>

Hisvet
02-22-2011, 04:03 PM
<p>I'll come as well if you are doing a class this Thursday the 23rd.  Confirmation?</p>

daisiechain
02-22-2011, 04:09 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>daisiechain wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I apologize if this is mentioned elsewhere in this thread but I'm reading this at work (shhhh...) and I might have missed it.</p><p>Is Ventrilo or Voice Chat used for these classes? I've never used Voice Chat before. Is anyone welcome to attend?</p><p>I love decorating my house and I'm a master carpenter but I can't figure out the layout editor for the life of me. </p><p>Also, one question I have that might not be suitable to answer here...where do the special houses come from? I've never seen anywhere where we're allowed to make our own house. I also see furniture in the pictures that I've never seen in game. I'm a newb in many ways but looking at some of this stuff I'm think I'm a bigger newb than I ever realized.</p></blockquote><p>No, voice chat is not used. We use text only, so that people can turn on their logs and can re-read the lessons if they need to.</p><p>The "special houses" as you call them are what most people call "break out" houses. They are houses where people have broken out of the confines of the default houses into the zone surrounding the house, and built their own structures. This is accomplished with the teleportation pads.</p><p>Some of the furniture you've never seen in-game is probably because it was built out of different pieces of furniture (as in, using cushions and bookcases to build a couch). Other pieces are just likely pieces you haven't seen before. There are a <em>lot</em> of furniture options in this game!</p></blockquote><p>Thank you Jazabelle! I'm going to attempt to be there this Thursday. </p>

Gzelle
02-22-2011, 04:17 PM
<p>Yes - we'll be there the 24th.  THURSDAY only now due to lack of interest on Wednesday (and a new expansion to play with).</p>

Gzelle
02-22-2011, 04:22 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: large;">This Week's Topic:  New to the layout editor?  We can help!!</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Time:  </span></span><span style="color: #00ff00; font-size: medium;"> THURSDAY - 8PM EST - 7PM CST - 6PM MTN - 5PM PST</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; color: #ffffff;">Where:  Test Copy server - Gracey's 1 Room Gorowyn house</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">What to bring:  yourself and maybe some paper and a pen for notes</span></p><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">What level do I need to be:  You can make a level 1 char on Test Copy if you don't already have a char copied over.</p><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Chat:  If you come to Gracey's house or let us know in either Antonia_Bayle.Homeshow or Test.Test we will get you a guild invite and we are using Cloudrat's (well and my) guild for chatting.</p><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Fun stuff to come:  Displays set up!</p><p><span style="color: #ff9900;">Due to lack of interest on Wednesday nights - I'm only going to be having the class once a week on Thursdays now.</span></p></blockquote>

Melianteas
02-24-2011, 10:05 PM
<p>My apologizes, I'm not sure I can make it. I'm still patching, it won't be long but probably not enough quickly to attend the course. Shame, because I was so loocking forward to it. *sighs*</p><p>I read something about the logs. It's is possible to have a copy of the class log?</p><p>Anyway, thank you very much for all the help and effort all of you do teaching others.</p><p>Hope to meet you soon!</p>

Nix
03-01-2011, 10:14 PM
<p><span ><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: large;">This Week's Topic:  New to the layout editor?  We can help!!</span></span></span></span></span></p><p>omg this is for me! I will be there, count me in, I'm downloading and patching test server tonight to be sure to log in smoothly thursday =D</p>

Gzelle
03-02-2011, 12:55 AM
<p>We look forward to seeing you there Nix!!</p>

Suzie
03-03-2011, 12:48 PM
<p>I see this post is still kind of going? Yes? Today is Thursday 3/3/11 and I am going to show up anyway =)</p>

Gzelle
03-03-2011, 02:19 PM
<p>YAY - looking forward to seeing you there!</p>

Bun
03-03-2011, 07:59 PM
<p>I installed Test, made a character named Anora, and am at Gracey's door.  I'm not sure if I'm supposed to DL the editor before the session or not, and I don't know how to log game chat.</p><p>As long as I don't forget, I will be there tonight at 8 pm EST.</p>

Eveningsong
03-03-2011, 08:22 PM
<p>Yes, you should go ahead and download the editor so that you're ready to go at class time <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. </p><p>To log your chat for future reference, just type /log in game.  You'll see a text message indicating that logging has started.  Do /log again to turn it off at the end.  You can use any word processor or text editor (notepad even) to look at the log file, which should be located in a folder called logs (or something similar) in your EQ2 folder.</p>

Bun
03-03-2011, 08:25 PM
<p>Cool, thanks!</p>

ianilu
03-03-2011, 10:05 PM
<p>Well looks like im going to miss class <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /> seems i havent downloaded test copy in a while still got 20 mins or so to finish</p>

Farahn
03-04-2011, 12:15 AM
<p>gah, me too...forgot to update test copy.  I'm almost finished tho so maybe I'll make it.</p>

jmcgorlick
03-06-2011, 10:19 PM
<p>Hi there.. I just want to make sure there is a class this Thurs (March 10)  Is there a new "topic" every thursday?  I guess my biggest concern is that I am a complete newb and coming into a class that is already progressing and holding people back or being lost.  I know I have to make a char on test copy... anything else I need to know?  I am going to start patching right now <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Gzelle
03-07-2011, 10:41 AM
<p>The beginner class is EVERY Thursday.  If there are no beginners, then we go into a little more detail on other topics, but for the most part - this class is for the completely new person to the layout editor. I sure look forward to seeing you this Thursday and welcome!!</p>

Suzie
03-08-2011, 12:26 AM
<p>Ok so you would think i am a total noob or something. I have done the testcopy add and it said it would test copy my character at 2am ... that was last week. now where do I go to find it? How do I access test copy? Im sorry if I am making this harder than it needs to be, but I have just never done this test server stuff before =/ But I sure want to =)</p>

Gzelle
03-08-2011, 12:30 AM
<p><cite>Kahlef wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Everyone else who might be interested on it....</p><p>If you don't know how to access the Test Copy server, here are a couple links with instructions<a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/test_copy_%28eq2_server%29">:</a></p><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/test_copy_%28eq2_server%29" target="_blank">For Station Launcher (aka "The Blue Patcher")</a></p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=493599" target="_blank">For the new (streaming one? Something else? I am not too sure honestly...) EQ2 launcher</a></p><p>No character slots are necessary. As Senya said right before this post, you have the same number of free slots as your number of character slots on live. I.e. Your total number of character slots on live is 7. Then you have 7 free slots on Test/Test Copy. Think of it like it was creating a character in another region server.</p><p>Also, if you don't have a character copied to Test Copy yet, you can make a new one. Just make sure to select <strong>Test Copy</strong> on the end of the character selection. Do <strong>not </strong>choose Test!</p><p>Classes are being held on Gorowyn, the newbie inn room, under Gracey. Cloudrat has been kind to let us user her guild, Heroes of Test so we can use guild chat for the classes. So you will be invited to join it as soon as you arrive over there. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>All classes are typed. So don't worry about microphone or anything like that. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Any other questions, just ask here or just holler in-game!</p><p><strong>EDIT: </strong>Forgot to mention this!</p><p>Be sure to download the latest version of Jesdyr's Layout Editor and installing it before the class. You can find it <a href="http://www.eq2designers.com/?page_id=7" target="_blank">here</a>.</p></blockquote><p>This should help a little!!</p>

Gzelle
03-10-2011, 03:35 PM
<p>I'm still planning on having class tonight - just a reminder that it is taking place.</p>

Nix
03-10-2011, 09:45 PM
<p>I'll be there =D, last week was great!</p>

jmcgorlick
03-10-2011, 09:59 PM
<p>I am not a happy camper right now.  I had EVERY intention of being there tonight.  I patched early in the week and LOGGED IN to make sure I would be able to without problems tonight.  I was so excited.... and I go and launch my test server and I have 55 minutes of download!!!  what did they patch in the last few days that would take 54 minutes?  /sigh</p>

Gzelle
03-11-2011, 12:09 AM
<p>Tamiene I'm so glad you made it!!</p>

Suzie
03-13-2011, 06:20 PM
<p>Eventually I will make it =( I really REALLY want to come an learn all the cool stuff you have to show about this layout editor that I can't figure out. Everytime I try getting over to Test I crash. I havent gotten much help from SOE on why so im gonna try a test copy again on a different toon from a different server and see if thats going to make a difference. (don't know why it would) but I have been trying since my original post =(</p><p>I hope to make it soon =/</p>

Domino
03-13-2011, 07:57 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: large;">This Week's Topic:  New to the layout editor?  We can help!!</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Time:  </span></span><span style="color: #00ff00; font-size: medium;"> THURSDAY - 8PM EST - 7PM CST - 6PM MTN - 5PM PST</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; color: #ffffff;">Where:  Test Copy server - Gracey's 1 Room Gorowyn house</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">What to bring:  yourself and maybe some paper and a pen for notes</span></p><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">What level do I need to be:  You can make a level 1 char on Test Copy if you don't already have a char copied over.</p><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Chat:  If you come to Gracey's house or let us know in either Antonia_Bayle.Homeshow or Test.Test we will get you a guild invite and we are using Norrathian Decorator Academy guild for chatting. Sending a tell to me around class time will get you an invite into the guild as well. </p><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Fun stuff to come:  Tiling displays are set up in the guild hall to help you work through some of the most common problems - it's in Halas if you would like to visit.</p></blockquote><p>This is a great series of tips and tricks for decorating fans wanting to play with house layouts. Good work! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Bun
03-17-2011, 12:32 PM
<p>I missed the course last week <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Will there be one tonight, what with it being St. Patrick's Day and all?</p>

Gzelle
03-17-2011, 02:33 PM
<p>Yes there will be a class tonight!!  Looking forward to meeting you!</p>

Gzelle
03-17-2011, 11:57 PM
<p>Next week - March 24th - I will be out of town and Tock has graciously agreed to teach the class.  Bring your best questions!!!  He's an awesome answerer!!</p>

Bun
03-18-2011, 12:58 PM
<p>Well I missed it again.  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  There was a little excitement around here when the kid across the street accidentally set his shed on fire and about a dozen fire trucks, police, ambulances, etc. showed up.  By the time the commotion settled down it was too late to log in.</p><p>Hopefully next week. I need more instruction.</p>

GussJr
03-18-2011, 01:00 PM
<p>How do I get a toon on test copy??? I'm still such a layout noob</p>

Bun
03-18-2011, 03:19 PM
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://everquest2.com/news/read/012009/2036" target="_blank">http://everquest2.com/news/read/012009/2036</a></p><p>I used those instructions, though I think I found them in a post on the forums.</p><p>Edit - Found the post:</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=441186" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=441186</a></p>

GussJr
03-18-2011, 03:25 PM
<p>Thanks!</p>

Barq Bandit
03-23-2011, 11:26 AM
<p>Although neither Gracey or Jazabelle will be able to make it this Thursday, I'm going to be there as a temporary substitute!  Gracey and Jazabelle say that I have to teach a class to prove that I've actually learned anything from the course.  They're so MEAN to me!  Shouldering me with this immense responsibility...  How could they?!  I'll show them I'm up to the challenge!</p><p>I'm using Windows XP, and am unfamiliar with Windows 7 EQ2 file structure and won't be of much help with those sorts of issues (not being able to open layout files in the editor, etc.).  So getting help from the Layout Editor stickied thread would be best for that.  I hope to answer any and all other questions, however.  So please attend at the usual time!</p><p>See you there!  (^_^)</p>

Aner
03-23-2011, 12:35 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Although neither Gracey or Jazabelle will be able to make it this Thursday, I'm going to be there as a temporary substitute!  Gracey and Jazabelle say that I have to teach a class to prove that I've actually learned anything from the course.  They're so MEAN to me!  Shouldering me with this immense responsibility...  How could they?!  I'll show them I'm up to the challenge!</p><p>I'm using Windows XP, and am unfamiliar with Windows 7 EQ2 file structure and won't be of much help with those sorts of issues (not being able to open layout files in the editor, etc.).  So getting help from the Layout Editor stickied thread would be best for that.  I hope to answer any and all other questions, however.  So please attend at the usual time!</p><p>See you there!  (^_^)</p></blockquote><p>will it still be in the same location and do you go by test.tock? i try to remember to announce the class in crafting since many of them seem intimidated/confused by the editor</p>

Kahlef
03-23-2011, 04:11 PM
<p>Should still be in the same place and I believe Tock mentioned he would be teaching with Test_Copy.Tockvisits.</p><p>I will see if I can be there as well, if anything just to be the token rat. I use Windows 7 and although the way I installed things are not exactly standard I should be able to help with instalation issues with it.</p>

Barq Bandit
03-23-2011, 10:14 PM
<p>Yes, sorry!  Everything will be as usual.  I've been given invite permissions to the guild and will be on <strong>Tockvisits </strong>there on <strong>Test Copy</strong> server.  I'm already in the classroom there, so Gracey's house in Gorowyn will be fine.</p><p>See you then!</p>

Gzelle
04-07-2011, 09:37 AM
<p>Reminder of class tonight!!! </p>

Barq Bandit
04-07-2011, 05:07 PM
<p>Ooooh, patching test client now!</p>

Gzelle
04-14-2011, 06:41 PM
<p>Borrowed a PC to let ya'll know my computer is down hard and will take until my hubby gets in from out of town to fix it.  So.... guess I wont be able to attend class tonight <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Jazabelle
04-14-2011, 07:52 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Borrowed a PC to let ya'll know my computer is down hard and will take until my hubby gets in from out of town to fix it.  So.... guess I wont be able to attend class tonight <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Multiple housing is going in on Test and Test Copy this afternoon anyway. I've heard that the servers go down at 6 PM PST for patching, and won't be up for 1-2 hours. So class would have had to have been cut short anyway.</p><p>Enjoy the books you get to read while you can't play EQ2!</p>

Gzelle
04-27-2011, 02:36 PM
<p>Still waiting for a video card to come in that will work.  The on-board one wont even come close to running the game.  Hope to be back in May for classes!</p>

Jesdyr
04-27-2011, 02:54 PM
<p> <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

LaurnaRose Fauldorn
04-28-2011, 01:47 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Still waiting for a video card to come in that will work.  The on-board one wont even come close to running the game.  Hope to be back in May for classes!</p></blockquote><p>DOH!  And I just found this post and thought, "OOO what a neat idea!  I just downloaded test servers yesterday.  /hmm ... might go check this out!"  /sigh.  Well, I'll keep checking back.  Hate to hear you're out of the game for a bit.  SUCKCITY!  Maybe the FX fairy will leave something under your pillow tonight !!! <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Neversea
04-29-2011, 02:24 PM
<p>I FINALLY have some free time and I hope you can get back in game soon Gracey! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I'm glad someone was able to do classes, I unfortunately have been sick off and on and dealing with college (Ugh finals) the last few months.  I've got a couple new assistants for decorating new homes finally and I want to send them off to your classes! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Hope you can get a new video card soon!</p>

Jesdyr
04-29-2011, 02:45 PM
<p><cite>Neversea wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've got a couple new assistants for decorating new homes</p></blockquote><p>.... I so want an assistant !</p>

Gzelle
04-29-2011, 02:51 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Neversea wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've got a couple new assistants for decorating new homes</p></blockquote><p>.... I so want an assistant !</p></blockquote><p>me too and I'll be back soon!!</p>

Neversea
04-29-2011, 05:55 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Neversea wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've got a couple new assistants for decorating new homes</p></blockquote><p>.... I so want an assistant !</p></blockquote><p>Nothing beats having two beautiful women as assistants.</p>

Jesdyr
05-19-2011, 04:22 PM
still no Gracey ?

Gzelle
05-19-2011, 08:49 PM
<p>Trying like crazy to update test now...</p>

lilithmoonstar
06-07-2011, 01:20 PM
<p>I was wondering if it was possible to give us europeans a chance as well as 8pm EST will be 2am for me> I would dearly love to attend this class</p>

Gzelle
06-07-2011, 08:28 PM
<p><cite>lilithmoonstar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I was wondering if it was possible to give us europeans a chance as well as 8pm EST will be 2am for me> I would dearly love to attend this class</p></blockquote><p>YES!!  I would be most happy to do a class in the afternoon for me (that would be evening for you?) any week DAY.  I am on CST and I'm free from 1pm until around 4pm my time - so if you can translate that to your time and let me know what day you can get the most people to attend (if any others are interested) - I'll be glad to make arrangements. </p><p>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _________________________</p><p>Everyone else:</p><p>I'm so sorry I have had some real life issues going on lately and haven't had the classes for 2 months +.  I'll be starting them up again this week - regular time - regular station!!</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">**PLEASE HAVE THE TEST SERVER PATCHED BEFORE CLASS TIME AND THE LAYOUT EDITOR DOWNLOADED - there is TONS of information in this post about how to go about that and where the classes are held**</span></p>

GussJr
06-09-2011, 08:23 AM
<p>In regards to the layout editor...I use to use station launcher and had no problems...but now I use the launchpad and when I save my layouts in-game, they never show up in the saved_house_layouts folder...Am I missing something? Doing something wrong?</p>

Jesdyr
06-09-2011, 11:38 AM
<p><cite>GussJr wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>In regards to the layout editor...I use to use station launcher and had no problems...but now I use the launchpad and when I save my layouts in-game, they never show up in the saved_house_layouts folder...Am I missing something? Doing something wrong?</p></blockquote><p>You likely have two installs of the game. Check the station launcher shortcut. It is likely pointing to a different directory.</p>

Gzelle
06-09-2011, 12:17 PM
<p>There are 2 "typical" places that the game installs these files depending on your operating system and how you have the game set up.  I'll give you the 2 most common places to look for the files...</p><p>C:/Program Data/Sony Online Entertainment/Installed Games/Everquest 2/saved_house_layouts</p><p>and</p><p>C:/Program Files (x86)/Sony/Everquest II/saved_house_layouts</p><p>Make sure you are running the layout editor as administrator (right click it on your desktop) and that you have your Control Panel / Folder Options - View Tab set to show hidden files.</p>

GussJr
06-09-2011, 01:47 PM
<p>Okay, so that's really weird. I actually found it under C:/users/public/Sony Online Entertainment...etc. </p>

Gzelle
06-09-2011, 02:33 PM
<p>At least you found it!!!  YAY</p>

Gzelle
06-10-2011, 01:05 AM
<p>What a great class tonight (well and all the other nights).  Thanks everyone who came I enjoyed the evening so much!</p>

Mazra
06-16-2011, 09:22 AM
<p>Is there a class tonight?  While I am more interested in Jazabelle's proposed advanced class, I figured I could probably pop in for a class or two and maybe pick up something I didn't know before.</p>

Gzelle
06-16-2011, 09:34 AM
<p>Yes!!!  Class tonight!  Same time on test copy server!</p>

Myxx
06-19-2011, 01:39 AM
<p>Hi , I was wondering if anyone has some insight on a problem I'm having with a layout file from 2009.</p><p>My char was originally on Splitpaw (EU server) where I decorated a home at 4Bayle SQ.  I have since moved my char to the Butcherblock server. I tried to load the layout I saved from Splitpaw but it doesn't seem to work.</p><p>I made a test layout file and compared them both in notepad. They appear to be very different even tho the house is in the same location on on both servers. I'm guessing because of housing updates since I last saved the file but I'm not sure. Any suggestions on how to make my old layout work?</p><p>I've never used the layout editor but someone said maybe it's possible to open the file in the editor and save it in the proper format to be used on Butcherblock.</p><p>just for visual reference , here are a few lines of my saved layout from Splitpaw:</p><p>3,Version Number1769688133,qey_ph_5r01 2561183564,10.39,11.25,-7.50,-180.00,0.00,0.00,0.50, false,"azure tapestry of the forsaken"1625803639,29.04,10.18,9.80,-90.11,-0.06,0.80,0.62, false,"Tapestry of Flame"</p><p>I hope I'm not sol with this , I really loved my house lol</p>

Mazra
06-19-2011, 10:59 AM
<p>The biggest difference I see between your file and one of mine, is that your coords only have 2 decimal places while mine take it to 8 each time.  So, I think to get your file to work you would have to paste 000001 to the end of each of your coordinates... or, I'm assuming this, open it in the editor and save it.  When I input coordinates in the editor, I rarely go beyond three decimal places and the editor tacks on the last five.</p><p>I hope this helps.</p>

Kahlef
06-19-2011, 08:30 PM
<p>I am going through this by memory so take it with a big grain of salt.... Hopefully someone more knowledgeble with the technical issues will pop over here and explain it better.</p><p>The problem isn't the server transfer is the version numbers on the file. See, your file is version 3 which as Mazra pointed out has only 2 decimal places. Right now we are using version 5 of the layout files that uses 8 decimals. The EQ2 developers made it so any layout with a version number below 5 would not be compatible with the game anymore.</p><p>The reason for this is that with only 2 decimals things would bug out. When you saved the layout it would round up the coordinates of the items, occasionaly making items end up in invalid places and disappearing.... even items that you placed manually. Version 4, with 8 decimals, does not have that issue.</p><p>IF you are not afraid of risks, I <em>think </em>you might be able to fool the system to load that layout file by changing the line:</p><p><span>3,Version Number</span></p><p>to :</p><p>5, Version Number</p><p>Make a backup of the original layout file first! Then if it loads and there isn't any issue save a new layout in-game. But like I said, with two decimals there are chances things will bug out....</p><p>Also, keep in mind this not something supported by the EQ2 developers so you are on your own if something goes wrong.</p><p>My advice would be to start again from scratch. If it makes you feel better try to see it as an opportunity to incorporate all the new house items released since then into your new decoration!</p>

Mazra
06-21-2011, 01:01 PM
<p>At the very least, you could open the layout file in the editor, select everything, and increase everything by .00000022 North and save it.</p>

Jesdyr
06-21-2011, 01:07 PM
<p><cite>Kahlef wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The problem isn't the server transfer is the version numbers on the file. See, your file is version 3 which as Mazra pointed out has only 2 decimal places. Right now we are using version 5 of the layout files that uses 8 decimals. The EQ2 developers made it so any layout with a version number below 5 would not be compatible with the game anymore.</p></blockquote><p>Just an FYI .. the Layouteditor will change a version 4 to a 5 (it will warn you first). I did not however do this for version 3. You can however Open a new layout for that zone delete everything and them use the "merge in" feature to import the version 3 file. You can then save and it will be a version 5. Version 3 was buggy. Version 4 was less so bug still buggy.</p>

Jesdyr
06-21-2011, 01:09 PM
<p>Gracey .. To show how much I appreciate you running these classes I just spent some time attempting to eliminate one of your biggest headaches ..</p><p><img src="http://www.eq2designers.com/images/DirFinder1.jpg" /><img src="http://www.eq2designers.com/images/DirFinder2.jpg" width="355" height="199" /></p><p>This will search for any directory named "saved_house_layouts" on the selected drive.</p>

Barq Bandit
06-21-2011, 01:19 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Gracey .. To show how much I appreciate you running these classes I just spent some time attempting to eliminate one of your biggest headaches ..</p><p><img src="http://www.eq2designers.com/images/DirFinder1.jpg" /><img src="http://www.eq2designers.com/images/DirFinder2.jpg" width="355" height="199" /></p><p>This will search for any directory named "saved_house_layouts" on the selected drive.</p></blockquote><p>This...  is awesome.  Jesdyr, you da man.</p>

Gzelle
06-21-2011, 04:48 PM
<p>I think I loves you Jes!!!</p><p>At least I can share cookies and tea~!</p>

Jesdyr
06-21-2011, 05:00 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think I loves you Jes!!!</p><p>At least I can share cookies and tea~!</p></blockquote><p>And I already changed it .. I added a "Check files" button that will open a Select file dialog so that you can see what is in the directory before you click ok (clicking ok will clear the scanned data so if it was the wrong one you need to rescan the drive)....</p><p>It is quick and dirty .. but I actually bothered to use threads <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Gzelle
06-21-2011, 05:01 PM
<p><span style="font-size: large;"><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />  </span></p>

Gzelle
06-22-2011, 07:34 PM
<p>YES - there is a class on the 23rd!!  **REMINDER**</p>

Filly67
06-22-2011, 08:35 PM
<p>It's great to see that there is a class tomorrow.  Some nice posters have been encouraging me to give it a try.  I have read the notes on getting to the test server and have a question.  I read that if I log into one of my toons on live and type /testcopy add will create a copy on the test server.  Is that true?  It seems to easy and I am afraid to risk one of my toons by doing something stupid.</p>

Mazra
06-22-2011, 09:32 PM
<p>Yep.  Just log in.  Type /testcopy.  Give it 30 mins to an hour.  Log in to Test and BAM (Emeril BAM!), there you are.  Easy.</p>

Filly67
06-22-2011, 10:15 PM
<p>Thak you but I can't find where to log in to test.  Man, I just feel stupid about this stuff.</p>

Mazra
06-23-2011, 12:24 AM
<p>It took me a bit too.  Depending on what you're using, find where you pick your region.  For me, when I start up the Streaming Client it's the options button in the top left.  Click that, scroll down to the bottom of the list of regions and there's the Test Server.</p>

Filly67
06-23-2011, 06:18 PM
<p>Ok, thanks to all of the kind and patient people who have helped me I think that I am going to be able to make it to Gracey's tonight.  Is it still 8pm EST or have there been changes mades since those times were posted?</p><p>I am trying to go to the house now so I can get everything load in order to avoid delays later.</p><p>Here's a silly question.  If I use items or spend plat on my test character do the changes come over to my actual character on Unrest.  Or is it more of what happens on test stays on test?</p>

Jesdyr
06-23-2011, 06:22 PM
<p><cite>Filly67 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Here's a silly question.  If I use items or spend plat on my test character do the changes come over to my actual character on Unrest.  Or is it more of what happens on test stays on test?</p></blockquote><p>What happens on test .. stays on test.</p><p>They are copies... and you can have more than one copy of the same character..</p>

Filly67
06-23-2011, 06:24 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Filly67 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Here's a silly question.  If I use items or spend plat on my test character do the changes come over to my actual character on Unrest.  Or is it more of what happens on test stays on test?</p></blockquote><p>What happens on test .. stays on test.</p><p>They are copies... and you can have more than one copy of the same character..</p></blockquote><p>Thanks for the fast reply Jes.</p>

Filly67
06-23-2011, 11:35 PM
<p>Gracey, thank you again for tonight's class.  You are a saint to be so patient.  I got so much out of your tutorial.  I promise that I will get there even earlier next time and have my layout editor ready to roll. </p>

Gzelle
06-24-2011, 09:10 AM
<p>I won't be hosting next week's class - but Jazabelle has graciously agreed to be there on the 30th.  Thanks Jaz!!  (I'll be back on the 7th)</p>

Yoinke
06-30-2011, 09:19 PM
<p>I logged into test and no one was in Gracey's house for the class tonight <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Maybe I was in the wrong spot, but I was really looking forward to not being a newb anymore when it comes to the editor lol</p>

Jesdyr
06-30-2011, 10:22 PM
<p>Guess no Jazabelle on <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Gzelle
06-30-2011, 10:24 PM
<p>I'll have a class next week - see ya'll on the 7th!!</p>

Jazabelle
06-30-2011, 10:42 PM
<p>I am <em>so</em> sorry, everyone! Something came up, and I haven't had access to the internet until just now.</p><p>I cannot tell you how bad I feel. Sorry sorry! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p>

Gzelle
07-07-2011, 01:19 PM
<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="text-decoration: line-through;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">**</span><span style="color: #ff0000;">REMINDER**  </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Class will be tonight - but I may be a little late (have to take the Mom to the hospital today and not sure when I will be done).  If I'm not in game at 7 - I'll be there as soon as I can!!</span></span></p><p><span style="text-decoration: line-through;"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">EDIT:  Mom has now been admitted to the hospital and I won't be able to make it tonight until I'm sure whats going on.  I'll pop into test copy server when I get home but plan on a make up class FRIDAY night!!!  Same time - Same station!!</span></p>

Filly67
07-07-2011, 07:02 PM
<p>Hope your mom is doing alright.  See you tomorrow.</p>

Gzelle
07-07-2011, 08:50 PM
<p>YAY /pant pant - home just in time - but i'll do both nights since this was completly out of our control!!</p>

Flycka
07-09-2011, 01:45 AM
<p>Still happening?  I just found out about this topic (the Norrathian Home Show) and never heard of the layout editor utility.  Sadly, I currently work at nights (9:30 PM - 6 AM EST), but if there are some step by steps or screenshots?  And perhaps I could take a night off, if I know this is still going on.</p><p>Thanks for all the hard work, whether it's still going or not</p>

Filly67
07-09-2011, 08:58 AM
<p>Another great class last night.  I am so happy to be getting the basics and beyond.  I would recommend this class to all.  Even more exciting it seems that the new roll out of building your own dungeon with the next GU will eventually lead to an ingame housing editor that sounds pretty sweet.  I can't imagine the awesome homes that will come from that with the high level decorators in this game.</p>

Gzelle
07-09-2011, 08:59 AM
<p>/nods - still happening every Thursday.  Hope to see you there soon!</p>

Gzelle
07-14-2011, 09:10 AM
<p>There is a class tonight - have test server patched and layout editor downloaded please!  See you there!</p>

Cristamir
07-19-2011, 03:45 PM
<p>I would love to attend these classes, but Thursdays are booked for guild events.  Great idea!</p>

Gzelle
07-20-2011, 07:10 PM
<p><span style="color: #ff0000; font-size: medium;">No classes this week. </span> I make every effort to be there every Thursday, but this week something has come up and real life takes precidence again.  I'll be back with the layout editor loaded and ready to go next week!  See you on the 28th!!</p>

Gzelle
07-28-2011, 04:24 PM
<p><span style="color: #00ff00; font-size: medium;">We WILL have class this week - see you there!!</span></p>

Gzelle
08-04-2011, 08:33 PM
<p><span style="color: #00ff00; font-size: medium;">We WILL be having class this week!!  Looking forward to meeting each of you!</span></p><p>Waited 20 min - no one showed so... class cancelled this week</p>

Gzelle
08-12-2011, 09:20 AM
<p><cite>Kahlef wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>@Everyone else who might be interested on it....</p><p>If you don't know how to access the Test Copy server, here are a couple links with instructions<a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/test_copy_%28eq2_server%29">:</a></p><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/test_copy_%28eq2_server%29" target="_blank">For Station Launcher (aka "The Blue Patcher")</a></p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=493599" target="_blank">For the new (streaming one? Something else? I am not too sure honestly...) EQ2 launcher</a></p><p>No character slots are necessary. As Senya said right before this post, you have the same number of free slots as your number of character slots on live. I.e. Your total number of character slots on live is 7. Then you have 7 free slots on Test/Test Copy. Think of it like it was creating a character in another region server.</p><p>Also, if you don't have a character copied to Test Copy yet, you can make a new one. Just make sure to select <strong>Test Copy</strong> on the end of the character selection. Do <strong>not </strong>choose Test!</p><p>Classes are being held on Gorowyn, the newbie inn room, under Gracey. Cloudrat has been kind to let us user her guild, Heroes of Test so we can use guild chat for the classes. So you will be invited to join it as soon as you arrive over there. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>All classes are typed. So don't worry about microphone or anything like that. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Be sure to download the latest version of Jesdyr's Layout Editor and installing it before the class. You can find it <a href="http://www.eq2designers.com/?page_id=7" target="_blank">here</a>.</p></blockquote><p>Here is the information you need to get to test copy server /points above</p>

Flamewi
08-18-2011, 12:36 PM
<p>This tutorial class thingy still going on?</p>

Gzelle
08-18-2011, 02:55 PM
<p><span style="color: #00ff00; font-size: small;">There WILL be class tonight barring anything unforseen!  </span></p>

Keelinn
08-25-2011, 05:24 PM
<p>Is this course still running?  Using good old notepad which is easy enough but interested in learning the layout editor <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

Gzelle
08-25-2011, 08:10 PM
<p>There WILL be a class tonight on Test Copy!!  Look forward to seeing you there!</p>

Keelinn
08-26-2011, 06:23 AM
<p>Pah, it occured to me this morning that 8pm est is 1am gmt so I doubt I'll make it.  Pity <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /> I'll just have to muddle through myself <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p>

Jesdyr
08-26-2011, 12:57 PM
<p>I am working on a bunch of new tutorial videos. The first one is for beginners and will cover the very basics. So if you cant make the class, there will be help soon. I actually have 2 version already recorded but I dont like them and will be redoing it again... Talking points for the 1st video are -</p><ul><li>Running the editor for the 1st time</li><li>Saving/Loading layouts in-game</li><li>Overview of the Editor Interface and basic terms</li><li>Overview of EQ2's coordinate system.</li><li>How to Roll/Pitch an item</li><li>How to tile an area</li><li>How to Use Diff</li></ul><p>Other video ideas -</p><ul><li>Tile an Area (manually and with the tool)</li><li>Working with UIDs, Groups and Notes (review Diff)</li><li>Using the circle/spiral tool</li><li>creating a basic house type structure (on an island). </li></ul><p>Is there anything else people would like to see? I might just record myself decorating an island or something explaining what I am doing and stuff like that.... just not sure how well that would work.</p>

Gzelle
08-26-2011, 01:27 PM
<p>AWESOME Jes!!  I can't wait to see them!</p>

Gzelle
09-01-2011, 12:49 PM
<p><span style="color: #00ff00;">We WILL have class this week!!!</span>  It will be great to see everyone!</p>

Gzelle
09-08-2011, 09:26 AM
<p><span style="color: #00ff00; font-size: small;">We WILL have class this week</span>.  Due to lack of response for these classes - I'm going to drop them to every other week after this week. </p>

Gzelle
09-13-2011, 05:36 PM
<p><span style="color: #ff0000; font-size: medium;">No class this week</span> - sorry - unfortunatly real life has gotten in my way and I wont be availble on Thursday.  I'll be glad to do a makeup on Friday if anyone posts here they are interested!</p>

Nrgy
09-13-2011, 06:46 PM
<p><cite>[email protected]_old wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am working on a bunch of new tutorial videos. The first one is for beginners and will cover the very basics. So if you cant make the class, there will be help soon. I actually have 2 version already recorded but I dont like them and will be redoing it again... Talking points for the 1st video are -</p><ul><li>Running the editor for the 1st time</li><li>Saving/Loading layouts in-game</li><li>Overview of the Editor Interface and basic terms</li><li>Overview of EQ2's coordinate system.</li><li>How to Roll/Pitch an item</li><li>How to tile an area</li><li>How to Use Diff</li></ul><p>Other video ideas -</p><ul><li><span style="color: #ff0000;">Tile an Area (manually and with the tool)</span></li><li>Working with UIDs, Groups and Notes (review Diff)</li><li>Using the circle/spiral tool</li><li>creating a basic house type structure (on an island).  <span style="color: #ff0000;"><-- can you build a four wall structure with the circle tool?  I'll have to give that a try, but mathmatically I think that would work.</span></li></ul><p>Is there anything else people would like to see? I might just record myself decorating an island or something explaining what I am doing and stuff like that.... just not sure how well that would work.</p></blockquote><p>JesDyr .. you're basically a math guru ... so I know this is easy work for you, but what I would like to see is a forumlated Wall builder.  Where you could toss 4/9/16 tiles/dividers at it and they would be stacked end to end in a square... but most importantly they would be resizable.</p>

Jesdyr
09-21-2011, 01:17 PM
<p><cite>Nrgy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>JesDyr .. you're basically a math guru ... so I know this is easy work for you, but what I would like to see is a forumlated Wall builder.  Where you could toss 4/9/16 tiles/dividers at it and they would be stacked end to end in a square... but most importantly they would be resizable.</p></blockquote><p>Not really .. I have forgotten so much of this stuff and have had to relearn a lot.</p><p>Circle tool making square - it can .. you use an angle of 360 and 4 items. The radius would be equal to the scale of a tile (or 1/2 the width of the item multiplied by the scale)</p><p>There are some tools I have been thinking about ways to build. The problem always comes down to not knowing the dimensions of an item (aside from tiles).</p>

Gzelle
09-29-2011, 03:55 PM
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Next class is October 6th!  See ya'll there.</span></p>

Gzelle
10-07-2011, 06:23 PM
<p><span style="color: #00ff00; font-size: small;">Next Class will be Oct 20th same time, same station.  (Yes, I know it interferes wtih moonlight enchantments)</span></p>

LittleMagica
10-20-2011, 09:29 PM
<p>Hello <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Im absolutely new in this HomeDesign thing...have load the Designer and see the Videos...</p><p>I love that what you can make with tiles...but unfortunatley i cant see what numbers and so you use ...so it isnt soo easy to make it self...</p><p>Is it possible to make a Tutorial to read and try for self?</p><p>Im german and it is easier for me when i can read some things...ecspacially the numbers i must use..</p><p>cant see this in the video...</p><p>Sorry my english isnt so good</p>

Gzelle
10-21-2011, 09:04 AM
<p>There are others who have made guides to using the layout editor... which can be found here <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=480991">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=480991</a></p>

Gzelle
10-21-2011, 09:12 AM
<p>So... my last scheduled class has come and gone.  I will no longer automatically be on test copy server on Thursday nights. </p><p>If you wish to have a class - please post here and I will make arrangements with you to teach.  Or, you can also PM me or holler at me in game and I'll make arrangements with you. </p><p>There are so many people that have learned, and are now passing on the information, that I find the need for these classes minimal.  I have enjoyed having each and EVERY one of you in my classes and hope you got something from them that made it worth the effort of coming to test copy server for them.  I will leave the guild hall open to any who still need to refer back to the tiling displays. </p><p>There isn't a class that was held that I didn't thoroughly enjoy.  This is why I love our community here - we are so willing to share ideas.  Thanks to all that came!!!  And.... PLEASE POST IF YOU WISH INSTRUCTION!!!</p>

Rakna
11-02-2011, 03:20 AM
<p>I thank you for your service.  Your instruction opened my eyes to the workings of the layout editor.  You've provided such a service to many in the community, for a long time.  You didn't have to.  But you did.</p><p>Thanks Gracey!</p><p><3</p>

grlnxtdr30
11-10-2011, 04:57 PM
<p>I Would appreciate a Class in using the layout program! I am available most evening after 9pm EST</p>

Gzelle
11-10-2011, 05:21 PM
<p>What server are you on? </p>

Khiara
11-11-2011, 09:49 AM
<p>Ok ok...I'm gonna do it...I'm gonna conquer my "fear" of the layout editor beast lol  Bless you Gracee for offering to handhold those of us too techtarded to figure the blasted thing out on our own lol  Many MANY thanks to Jesdyr for all the hard work put INTO said blasted thing <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />    I'm on Kithiblock er...Butcherblock...and can be available on test copy anytime that's convienient for you.</p><p>Thanks again to ALL the LE guru's !!</p>

grlnxtdr30
11-16-2011, 12:05 AM
<p>I just downloaded the newest version of the layout editor, and still can't fiigure out what I am supposed to do. I play on Guk server, but have alts on Test and test copy.  My decorator on Guk is Hissstory Bravescales, and he REALLy needs help with our Guildhall.</p>

Gzelle
11-16-2011, 10:49 AM
<p>Since I can't seem to find ya'll in game... please add Crushbone.Gracee to your friends list and send a tell to me in game so I can come and help!</p>

Daxe
12-19-2011, 04:58 PM
<p>Hello,</p><p>I would love a lesson in how to use this software. How can I set this up ? I'm Crushbone server.</p><p>thanks <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Aphraael
12-20-2011, 06:53 AM
<p>I need your help ever so much.. plz plz set me up when you can and I will be there.. I can't get this tiling a sky down <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I am on naggy so we can't cross server chat, so I will make time when you have time..</p>

Gzelle
12-20-2011, 10:22 AM
<p>I will do what I can when I get some play time, with the holidays and the health of my mother - my play time is very limited.  If ya'll don't mind waiting until I can find a day clear for this... I'll be happy to teach!</p>

foodcity
01-20-2012, 12:13 PM
<p>any chance you can find people to teach how to use the layout editor on other servers? im on unrest server, and have no idea how to even START with the layout editor.... first off, where do i download it??</p>

Gzelle
01-20-2012, 01:58 PM
<p>There are a ton of helpful people on all servers that can teach this now.  If you can join the homeshow channel:</p><p>/join antonia_bayle.homeshow</p><p>or if you are on Antonia Bayle server...  /join homeshow</p><p>Ask in this channel, and the people there are most helpful.  I'm really sorry I just dont have the playtime right now for teaching or even loggin in    <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Gzelle
01-29-2012, 03:00 PM
<p>With a heavy heart, I bid you all farewell.  I will peek in from time to time to see how you are doing.  Please find someone on your server to help you with the layout editor - there are so many that know how to use it now.  Much love to all /hugs!</p>

Aphrodiete
02-26-2012, 12:31 AM
<p><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif; color: #9220de; font-size: medium;">Gracee, I know you are no longer teaching this course. However, I just want to check if anyone else is on Oasis server (Not test) would you maybe be willing to help me out? I have no clue how to use the editor...and its making me get grey hairs already! I'm too young for this!!! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" /> If you want to send me a tell (my name is Tweeedledum) that would be great! Or if you could send me a message in game (via mail) that would be great too! Thanks! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></span></p>