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Amnerys
01-07-2011, 04:13 AM
<p>Hey everyone! I'm gearing up to start featuring (hopefully weekly) highlights of homes and designs again soon, similar to what Kiara used to do in the Norrathian Interior Design articles. But I have a few things I'm trying to figure out, and I'd like your input.</p><p>I'd like to give a house item reward to the owner of the featured home. Domino has created a few trophy/award items for us, and what good are they if we're not giving them out, right? I'd like to start using them and I figured rewarding awesome designers and decorators was a great way to get them out into the world.</p><p>Here's my dilemma... I know a lot of designers decorate homes for other players. And sometimes they do awesome guild halls. But I have no way of verifying anything except the homeowner of a single-player home.</p><p>So, what are your thoughts on who should receive the rewards, if we were to give them out?</p><p>I'm leaning toward just the homeowner, even if another person has decorated the house. Most likely they've paid for the decorating service and the items are theirs. I wish there was a way I could verify a decorator, but there just isn't, I'm afraid. I don't see any other way to be "fair," without giving an item to both the homeowner and a decorator if they claim that someone decorated for them...but what's to keep them from saying someone decorated for them and then each getting an item, even if it's not true? Or to say that five people decorated for them, and they need six rewards between them. The more I give out, the less rare and special the item is, too. It could get out of control quickly and end up being less fun and rewarding.</p><p>Then there's the issue of guild halls. I love what everyone does with guild halls, but again we've got multiple characters involved, and in the case of guild halls, there's no way at all to verify whose design the decor is.</p><p>Should I only award for single-player homeowners? Should I just leave out the rewards altogether? Or should I only feature single-player homes and not highlight the guild halls in these articles?</p><p>I want to do something fun and keep highlighting the awesome houses and creations you all do. I'm just not sure of the best way to do that. Help me think about this...</p>

Senya
01-07-2011, 04:34 AM
<p>I'm very excited to see this starting up - and with trophies even!  Those of us who decorate love to know people are actually visiting and seeing the homes we spend hours/days/weeks in.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />  Thank you, Amnerys!</p><p>A trophy of some sort for guilds would be nice.  Would an item that was guild hall placeable only like the trophy head statues (that you could give to the guild leader or even just drop in the guild hall) be an option?  I seem to recall people finding items in their homes saying it had been visited by ____ so I assume devs could also place items in a guild hall.</p><p>As far as homes go I'd say just award the trophy to the homeowner.  As you said there's no way (that I know of) to prove a certain person designed/decorated a home.</p>

Jesdyr
01-07-2011, 04:37 AM
<p>If there is a reward to be given out, I feel the decorator should get the reward.. however I understand that is a problem. My first question is how the selection process works for who you are highlighting. If they come from posts here I would think whoever posted it would likely be the decorator.</p><p>One thing you could do it place the item in the zone directly. I am guessing these will be no-trade so that means the item will be bound to the zone. This would work great for guildhalls <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Senya
01-07-2011, 04:50 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If there is a reward to be given out, I feel the decorator should get the reward..</p></blockquote><p>I agree with that for sure, but with no way of proving who the decorator is and with people sometimes being less than honest It'd be hard to sort that out it seems.  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Lillaanya
01-07-2011, 04:56 AM
<p>Perhaps the award upon inspection could read something like "this home was featured in -insert article name here-"  It would then make sense for it to be awarded to the homeowner and displayed in the home featured</p>

Cusashorn
01-07-2011, 05:04 AM
<p>Just give it to the home owner. I know it's an injustice to the decorator, but the way I see it, you can tell who decorated the house by inspecting the "Created By" stamps on all of the furniture, indicating which carpenter made it and *PROBABLY* designed it. If most of the furniture belongs to one person, you could probably figure out it was them who designed it. However, if it's all a mishmash from various carpenters, then the home owner should get the reward because they probably designed it by buying what they found off the broker.</p><p>It doesn't make much sense, but that's my point of view on the matter.</p>

Iskandar
01-07-2011, 05:10 AM
<p>Nice! I'm glad to hear you're starting this up again, Amnerys! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" /> Like you said, it's far to hard to determine who decorated what, so just focusing on the homeowner would be the best solution imho.</p><p><cite>Senya wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>A trophy of some sort for guilds would be nice.  Would an item that was guild hall placeable only like the trophy head statues (that you could give to the guild leader or even just drop in the guild hall) be an option?  I seem to recall people finding items in their homes saying it had been visited by ____ so I assume devs could also place items in a guild hall.</blockquote><p>Yeah, either present it to the guild leader (which may be tricky since some guilds have more than one person flagged as "Leader" -- but I assume the Devs have some way to tell who's the big boss) or just have a guild-only item placed in the guild hall itself. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p><p><cite>Lillaanya wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Perhaps the award upon inspection could read something like "this home was featured in -insert article name here-"  It would then make sense for it to be awarded to the homeowner and displayed in the home featured</blockquote><p>That sounds like a great approach for the homes! A bit of recognition for both owner and designer. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p>

Twinklin
01-07-2011, 06:05 AM
<p>I think it should go to the home owner as well though I only decorate my own characters' homes so I guess I'm not the best person to give an opinion. </p>

Writer Cal
01-07-2011, 07:34 AM
<p>I also think it -should- go to the decorator.  But since that's tougher to prove, perhaps a compromise?  It goes to the homeowner, but if the homeowner is gracious enough to give credit to the decorator, they can choose to tell Amnerys that the item should go to X decorator.  Only one decorator to avoid blatant exploits, though.</p><p>For guild halls, I see no issue with the item going to the GH itself.</p><p>Also, I'm happy to see this returning.  I missed it!</p>

Andowen
01-07-2011, 08:09 AM
<p>I love to see this start up again and it's great that you will give out trophies! How will the selection process work?</p><p>It seems like it's mostly decorators who post their own work on the homeshow, but the few houses where the homeowners themselves have posted their homes, designed by someone else, they have stated who the decorator was. I don't think I have seen a single post where the decorator was not mentioned. I like to believe that -most- people are honest enough to give credit to the right person..</p><p><cite>Lillaanya wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Perhaps the award upon inspection could read something like "this home was featured in -insert article name here-"  It would then make sense for it to be awarded to the homeowner and displayed in the home featured</blockquote><p>To tag the trophy as Lillaanya suggested is a good idea. Maybe the decorators name could be included in the trophy information? That way I personally would not mind if it was placed in the featured house or guildhall.This would also solve the problem where multiple decorators have worked on the same project since only one trophy is given out.</p><p>The houseowner get to enjoy and show off that their house was featured and awarded and the decorator(s) gets the recognition they deserve.</p>

Whilhelmina
01-07-2011, 08:19 AM
<p>I think it should go to the house owner but could be given to the decorator if the house owner gives its name.</p><p>As for guild hall, a guild item only would be perfect.</p>

Gneaux
01-07-2011, 10:11 AM
<p>Is there a way to track within the scripting of who had "trustee" access to a house or guild hall. Usually trustees are the only ones who can move things around a house or guild hall freely without prohibitions.</p><p>If there was a way to "track" who had access to a house for any length of time (in the case of who hired a designer) then maybe that might show up in a log somewhere. In other cases, home owners are there own designers and the only people who would have had trustee access to move and arrange things might be the homeowner's alts.</p><p>If there is a way to track who had that type of access, perhaps the designer might be awarded for their time and effort as well.</p>

Kitsi
01-07-2011, 10:16 AM
<p>Decorators put in a lot of hard work and do need to be recognized for that.  Perhaps the trophy could say something like</p><p>"Best design for the month of ..... to (decorator)" ?</p>

Gzelle
01-07-2011, 10:43 AM
<p>I agree the homeowner should get the award to show off, but I like the idea of the decorator's name being included in the award.  This is so great - I'm glad you will be again highlighting our work!!  So many people in the game don't even realize the great community we have all worked so hard to establish.</p><p>Guild halls will be more difficult and I agree the guild should get the award, especially since so many guilds have more than one decorator for it.  </p>

Afista
01-07-2011, 10:56 AM
<p><cite>Amnerys wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Should I only award for single-player homeowners? Should I just leave out the rewards altogether? Or should I only feature single-player homes and not highlight the guild halls in these articles?</p></blockquote><p>I definately agree with what Lillaanya said here</p><blockquote>Perhaps the award upon inspection could read something like "this home was featured in -insert article name here-"  It would then make sense for it to be awarded to the homeowner and displayed in the home featured</blockquote><p>If the reward were a placable item like this, then I don't see why the article shouldn't include both single-player homes and guild halls. It would be nice to recognize individual designers, but I understand the difficulty with verification. Seeing as a lot of designers post their work here, I'm sure we'll know who designed the featured home anyways <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

SecrAtive Girl
01-07-2011, 11:46 AM
<p>i'm loving this!</p><p>i think you should definitely give the award to the homeowner because it IS their coin and items and part of being a designer is knowing you have to let go of your creations because you don't own them. as for the designers... <strong>there's nothing to keep you from visiting the designers' homes who post here on the forums, so you can give them their own reward!</strong> maybe you could even start with the designers you see here who put a lot of time in decorating for others.</p><p>as for <strong>guild halls</strong>... maybe instead of giving them the award, you could deposit some coin on their rent? like a one month rent free for having such an awesome guild hall kind of thing.</p>

Anestacia
01-07-2011, 11:48 AM
<p>I am happy to see this return and with trophies it will be better than ever.  I agree with the masses here that for simplicity sake just award it to the actual home that was featured since that is what the reward is for anyway...the home.  Same for Guildhalls.  Just placing it into the hall would be nice and then the leader/trustees can move it where they would like.</p><p>Thank you for bringing this back and looking forward to it.</p>

Aiana
01-07-2011, 12:10 PM
<p>Yay! I'm so excited to see this again. I loved seeing people get credit for awesome houses and I'm glad that it's back.</p><p>I agree with the masses that for simplicitys sake the homeowner should recieve the trophy, but that you should be able to "personalize it" with a decorators name if the homeowner chooses. Kind of like when you click on a pet in your inventory and you can name it or when you personalize books.</p><p>Guildhalls should definately recieve a trophy. Its alot of hard work and the entire guild should be able to see and enjoy the rewards. Even if it was a no trade item that was specifically attached to the guildhall its self.</p><p>Thanks again for trying to bring this back and drawing more attention to the hard working decorators of this community!<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p><p>*I forgot to add that it would be nice to go back through some of the "on fire" posts and give them credit as well. We've had some amazing homes that have already been decorated and deserve credit!</p>

Reality
01-07-2011, 12:32 PM
<p>Maybe there could be a way of having the Homeowner or GH Leader be able to send a 1-time gift to the decorator?  This would be a duplicate of the item/trophy that was awarded?</p><p>I tend to think that the majority of those who have had thier homes and GH's decorated for them would want to recognize thier decorators efforts by gift such an item to them.</p><p>So glad these are coming back - looking at other folks work never gets old!</p><p>~ L ~</p>

Barq Bandit
01-07-2011, 12:42 PM
<p>I'd go off posted threads, and award the decorator.  I can't really see people posting threads claiming to have decorated a place they didn't decorate just for a small chance at getting a special item.  Easy enough to contact the home owner and verify who is largely responsible for the arrangements shown in the post, I'd think.  If an owner didn't respond in a timely manner, you could save that one for later for when they do get back to you.</p><p>Great collaborations are few and far between.  It's tough to get everyone on the same page and get all the rooms flowing nicely from one to the next.  I would say single-decorator homes are much more common, and any exceptional work you check into will more than likely have a single person behind it, and for many of those, the owner and decorator will be the same person anyhow.  For the fabulous collaborations you'll find now and then, I would select a special reward that includes the names of everyone reported to be involved (more than likely to be a small number) and give that reward to the home owner to display in the home.</p><p>With guild halls, I'd place the item directly in the hall, inscribed with the name of the guild.  If it must be associated with a character in particular, I'd just contact the leader(s) of the guild to find out which would be best.</p><p>I think I'm safe in saying that just about everyone that puts a ton of time into this aspect of the game is bound to be helpful and forthcoming.</p>

Rijacki
01-07-2011, 01:00 PM
<p>If the reward could be "dropped" in a chest with only the owner able to -open- the chest but following normal group/raid loot options, anyone in the group could be awarded it, then the decision could be the owner of the domicile or leader of the guild.</p><p>I, too, think it is fantabuloustic that you're going to be starting it back up and with trophies!</p><p>I think a scroll/magic-mouth with the information that THIS PLACE was featured would be great, too, but how can you lock that to the current location and decor?</p>

Amnerys
01-07-2011, 02:28 PM
<p>Quick answers to a couple of questions...</p><p>The way we plan to work this going forward is to have players submit their own creations (homes, awesome things like pirate ships, broken-out structures, etc.) via email, with submitted screenshots that they take. We don't have Gnobrin on the team anymore (lucky little gnome got himself onto the real EQII art team, hehe) and to be perfectly honest, the reason we've not been able to keep up with the feature the last few months is because of the amount of time it takes for us to be the ones seeking out homes to feature, logging in and visiting the home, taking the screens, etc. On our other games with homes, we've always had players submit their own screens and info, and we choose from the submissions they send in.</p><p>As for selection process, well it's not a contest. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> It's really just going to be, "Who has submitted, and which of the ones sitting in our inbox knocks our socks off the most, or is the prettiest, or coolest, etc. That's the one we'll feature this time around." It's going to be very subjective, and therefore, not a contest.</p><p>The reward should be thought of more as a "Thank you for sending in your home/creation and allowing us to feature it," and not, "Yours is the greatest thing ever! You get a prize!!" It should definitely be thought of as a REward for sharing something, and not an Award for winning something.</p><p>In one of our other game communities, those players have had this model of weekly feature for many years, and the highlighted homeowner gets a title. Unfortunately, sometimes you'll find snarky responses from someone (and half the time it's someone who has already been featured) downplaying the winner's home. "I can do better." Or, "My submission was better, why wasn't it chosen?" Or "Why are you giving this person the reward? It takes away any prestige that the rest of us have earned because theirs clearly isn't as good as ours." And so on.</p><p>This is something that we <em>don't</em> want to be competitive, just fun (and enticing for those who aren't decorators/designers yet!!) and if we can start off on that foot over here in EQII land, we'll be all the better for it. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Now as for guild halls, I'll have to check and see if there's something that can be awarded to the guild hall itself. I hadn't thought about how raid trophies work and such...perhaps they could use that kind of coding and make me something I can give out that's similar.</p><p>As for personalized items...right now there's no way that I know of to personalize something like that unless it were a book. At least not anything unique that I have. What it take for that to happen is a new item made every time we awarded one, and that's dev time, plus they wouldn't be added to the game until the next game update. I'll talk with Domino and see if she has any cool ideas that will be simple for her. If it's something I can hand out magirifically through my handy-dandy remote tool, all the better.</p><p>I'd like to start this sooner than later, so we may even get started featuring before the rewards are ready and I'll catch up with the IOUs as the items are available.</p><p>Keep the feedback coming!</p>

Barx
01-07-2011, 03:00 PM
<p>In regards to guild halls, you could always make it a no-trade item and then have your (Amnerys's) character place it. The way house item ownship works in EQ2 and in guild halls would mean that any trustee of the hall (ie the guild leaders) would be able to move it around but since the owner would be a character Amnerys (or the community team) controls they wouldn't be able to actually pick it up and haul it off to another guild hall. That should be a relatively easy-to-implement way of locking a trophy to a guild. If the guild decides to move halls the item will just go in the moving crate and can be placed again by any trustee, so the guild can never really lose the trophy, it would follow them around. It could also be made NO-DESTROY to prevent a trustee of destorying it, I assume (I don't think I've actually seen a NO-DESTROY house item so I can't speak 100% to that bit working).</p><p>Getting back to the player houses, I'd go with a maximum of two heirloom items -- one to go to the home owner (it is their home after all) and an optional one to go to a single decorator specified by the homeowner (assuming the decorator agrees to accept it). That kind of thing I'd imagine you should be able to give out through your sneaky sneaky community tools (to place the item in the player's inventory). The guild hall trophy thing I don't know about, since that would involve placing an item into a hall which may have to be done in-character to properly lock ownship of the item (unless you guys have some tool to place an item and give it a null owner and prevent claiming ownership).</p>

Rijacki
01-07-2011, 03:31 PM
<p><cite>Amnerys wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>The way we plan to work this going forward is to have players submit their own creations (homes, awesome things like pirate ships, broken-out structures, etc.) via email, with submitted screenshots that they take.</blockquote><p>Since it's going to be by submission, have one of the requested entry fields be "if this is featured, who should receive the acknowledgement".  If that's not specified, then send it to the owner. It makes it the choice of the submitter and takes it out of your responsibility if there are "disputes" <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

quiarrah
01-07-2011, 04:03 PM
<p>One point to this fantastic idea is that if you already submitted your house/guild hall once. . . .and you got the award. . .you cannot submit it again. That way everyone at least has a chance instead of getting the award . . and not having one person get it every single time because they did such and outstanding job and knocked everyones socks off.</p><p>Case in point: Our OWLBEARS Inn vs Suessu's B&B (mine). Mine is more homey and down to earth rustic. . . .where Owlbear did an awesome job and ccertainly deserves an award. . . .it looks like a 10 star resturant/Hotel. Butyou know. . .I put my heart and soul into my B&B too and would fell a little dist if I kept getting passed over all the time by those who had thousands of plat to spend.</p><p>Anyway. . .just my 2 copper as a decorateor on a shoestring. Perhaps you could havel levels. . . one of those who decorate on a budget and one for those who can go all out. . . .</p>

tkia
01-07-2011, 04:10 PM
<p><cite>Amnerys wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As for personalized items...right now there's no way that I know of to personalize something like that unless it were a book. At least not anything unique that I have. What it take for that to happen is a new item made every time we awarded one, and that's dev time, plus they wouldn't be added to the game until the next game update. I'll talk with Domino and see if she has any cool ideas that will be simple for her. If it's something I can hand out magirifically through my handy-dandy remote tool, all the better.</p></blockquote><p>What you need is either a placeable item that acts like a player written book but just has a trophy type of graphic attached when placed, or when you award something you also give them a player book that you have written to contain the relevant names and information.  That way you either get to write the information to the trophy in the first instance, or the homeowner gets a book to display with the trophy in the second.</p><p>In either case you only need one generic item creating that you can summon for yourself and customise before handing it over or placing it.</p>

Rhyme
01-07-2011, 05:00 PM
<p>My vote is that the actual decorator that put in ALL the time (sometimes weeks on end and countless hours of crafting) should get the award to display in either the home they decorated or even in their own trophy case, which im sure is amazing if they are doing such good work in other peoples homes. </p><p>Ways to verify the actual decorator:</p><p>1:  Just about all hardcore decorators do thier own carpentry work so most of the items in the home will have that persons name plastered all over the place.</p><p>2:  99% of the posts of homes/halls here on forums are posted by the actual decorator.</p><p>3:  Dont think any homeowner who cares about decorating would be selfish enough to not give credit to the decorator if asked.</p><p>As for the guild halls, well.....this is a hard one.  If I decorated a guild hall amazing enough to get such an award I would also want to have a trophy for my personal trophy wall in my own home.  But yes most guild halls have more then one decorator and multiple people doing the carpentry work.  I would say maybe have a special trophy for the guild halls separate from the personal home one and maybe place one in the guild hall and then have the leader pick maybe the top 3 designers of the hall and they should get a trophy also.  This would still be rare even w/ 4 per hall as there is maybe 1 guild hall for every 10-15 home posts on this forum.</p><p>Just please find a way for the person putting in all the time during the decorating to get something physical for their time to keep long after the post on forums goes dead.</p>

Eveningsong
01-07-2011, 06:26 PM
<p>Actually there are plenty of decorators that have hardworking carpenters that do their crafting for them.  Also, I know that some decorators regularly make alts to go work on homes on other servers, so I wouldn't rely on the carpenter tag to infer anything about who did the decorating.  The list of trustees is also not really useful; personally I have every alt on both of my accounts listed as trustees on all my homes...</p><p>Personally, I'm happy to have an award just dropped into the house/hall that was featured, similar to how some devs currently drop their little "I visited your house, thanks for the hospitality" tokens when they visit.  Just the other day someone in Test or Homeshow channel discovered one of those from Gnobrin (I think) in the kitchen of her house and was pleasantly surprised <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />.  After all, the news articles are about the house, not the decorator.  For the most part, it seems many of the posts are houses decorated by the owners anyways, but even if someone has commissioned a house the owner is almost always involved in the process in some way, even if only to pay for the decorating <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />.  Its kinda like when Home & Gardens does a photo layout of someone's house... its always listed under the home owner's name, even though they'll also acknowledge the architect, decorator, landscaper, etc. in the article, which hopefully the Homeshow article itself will include.</p><p>I understand that the items can't be personalized, but perhaps the examine text for Homeshow acknowledgement items could be something like, "This house/hall was featured in the Norrathian Homeshow" or "Norrathian Homeshow Notable" or some such to indicate the reason for the award. </p><p>I look forward to the new article series.  Hopefully the new process of submissions will make things easier on poor Amnerys and her staff and open up opportunities for more folks to have their lovely houses featured <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />.</p>

quiarrah
01-07-2011, 09:22 PM
<p>I personally don't do all of the carpentry for all of my houses . . .I am not high enough for one thing. .and it would most likely be very tedious if I were and did.</p><p>I buy quite a bit of stuff although I do stay on a "budget". I would of course give credit where credit was due when I show off my B& B in Halas on Runneyeye. . . (I did not do the breakout part. .a guildy did that for me and I am going to have her build me a little cottage out there after Frostfell is over and my winter village goes away). But on a whole. . . the house is of my own design. Soooooo . . <span style="color: #00ff00; font-size: medium;">."WELCOME to Suessu's Bed and Breakfast in the heart of Frostfang sea, nestled in a valley of ice in the Ravens Rest in the lovely Manors of Erollisi . . .come and enjoy a cup of cheer and warm yourself by the fire. Designed by Suessu. Furniture curtesy of Quiarrah, Kamalya, (and many others)"</span></p>

Indabuff
01-08-2011, 04:51 AM
<p>I think we need to keep this in the spirit its being offered. Over complicating it will only make formore problems. I think the award (though bad name for it) is kinda like when you get a t-shirt forparticipating in something. Maybe saying you will be picking one each week from the ones sent in thatyou think the best is setting the wrong attitude from the get go. If thats the case then I agree with some that the non pros are doomed to get passed over and over.</p><p>Homeowner should get the recognition. I know the decorators may disagree but like was said itsnot a contest. Its just a little something for posting your pics. I would suggest if the pro decoratorswant to get it then they submit one of their own houses. Anyway anyone that posts their houseand does not give the decorator credit is maybe someone you dont want to do work for in the future.</p><p>I hope that this will not just be a showcase for all the pro decorators as well. Some of us have notbeen doing this for years and are not at a professional level. I have seen some great ideas from thosenew to the whole decorating thing and I would like to see those houses be featured as well.</p><p>I would also suggest its not a trophy....right off sends wrong message. Maybe a unique vase of flowersor such. Anyway thats my two cents.</p>

Brianth
01-08-2011, 11:23 AM
<p>As it is the home or guild hall that is being featured, the "placque of recognition" should go to the home or guild hall.</p><p>That being said, why not have a 'Know Your Decorators' feature as well similar to the older "Know Your Fellow Player" feature.</p><p>Add a requirement to the submission email that is 'please tell us the name(s) of your decorator(s).</p><p>Whomever chooses the 'recognition' of the week/month can contact the decorator for a short interview for posting and the decorator(s) could also receive a similar 'placque of recognition' as well.</p>

Neversea
01-08-2011, 03:16 PM
<p>I love the idea of this coming back.  I miss seeing the featured homes.  Submissions is a good idea. </p><p>I am however, a bit greedy (Pirate....it's just how we are!) and I feel the decorator should be rewarded... we spend a ton of time and effort into these places, we should be recognized for it!  I usually place a magic mouth with Designed By: Neversea, in the homes I do up (with some exceptions), but I can see where even that won't be a valid way to tell who designed it.  Mostly, I think you'll just have to assume people are honest in their submissions and who designed the home or guild hall.</p><p>Now, while I'm greedy and want my recognition... I do think the homeowner should get SOMETHING to display in their home that shows that they were featured.  It'd just be something to show off for people visiting!</p><p>Back during last Frostfell, I had entered everseek's contest and there were house item rewards given for it.  The house item was sent to the owner of the home, but it's tradeable, so I can actually pick this item up on my decorator if I ever wanted to, but I of course, allow the homeowner to keep it displayed.  You could make it tradeable and hope that the decorator and homeowner can come to a good decision on who gets to display it (One week at your place and the next at mine!) or just give them both an item or something...</p><p>Anyway, that's my thoughts on this!  Can't wait to see this back in action!</p><p>(I don't always make my own items that I decorate with, because it is faster to have a uh... peon carpenter make all my items while I build!  I usually give credit to my team mates/ apprentices on my posts however.)</p>

Cerinthe
01-08-2011, 06:49 PM
<p>I really like the idea of a Decorating Recognition reward in game and I think it should follow real-world usage and be given to the owner.  I think it should include (or be) a fancy "Book of the House/Guild" where, Decorator credits could be given along with other information about the project, inspirations credited, funny stories told about the project, which visitors could read.</p><p>If Trustees could write in the book then the Decorators could tell their story about a project too.</p><p>Cerinthe of Oasis</p><p>(and too many alts that were started to visit houses on other servers and then took on lives of their own ;-)</p>

Bitsy
01-08-2011, 07:12 PM
<p>As a decorator I would like to have the recognition item, but giving a recognition item to the house owner is just as good.</p><p>The question I have is will break-out houses be featured in the new articles?  I hope the answer is yes, but <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=490939" target="_blank">this thread</a> stated that SOE turns a blind eye to decorating outside the intended area.  I'm not sure it would be a blind eye if a break-out house was featured... <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Farahn
01-08-2011, 08:27 PM
<p>Design and decorating is extremely time consuming, stressful and at times, overwhelming......  That's not a complaint, it is what it is.  As a decorator, I know very well what's in store for me when I agree to take a job.  I accept the possible anxieties knowing that in the end there will be a  wonderful outcome of a newly finished residence/guild hall that I, with the collaboration of the owner, helped create.</p><p>Owner + Decorator . . . . . . I think that one without the other just isn't feesible.</p><p>A trophy to display in the homeowner's residence that gives proper credit to the decorator would be appropriate.  To give recognition to the homeowner with no knowledge of the person who did the work is silly. </p><p>One solution would be that there could be no entries without both names.  This is afterall a Trophy, a reward to a team.</p><p>Thanks for hearing my input.  I'm excited for things to come.</p><p>Bibbony</p>

Katz
01-08-2011, 08:54 PM
<p>I think to both the homeowner and the decorater. As the above post said, have all entering homes list both.  </p><p>As for the guild hall, make it a specific to the guild hall trophy.</p>

Rainmare
01-08-2011, 09:02 PM
<p>I was featured once and I loved it. and I got that scroll from Gnobrin in my house and it's a prized item indeed. As to how to award a gift...I'd give it to the homeowner. I know I've done one of my friends houses...and I wouldn't begrudge the item being in her house as a 'This home was featured' thing.</p><p>as to guildhalls...I'd say yeah just get a trophy item that gets dropped off in the hall itself. I mean I know in our guildhall there's only 2 of us that did the bulk of the decor, but I don't need a house item for that. after all, I want peopel to look at the guild hall, not my house to see that award <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Snowdonia
01-08-2011, 10:26 PM
<p>Surely the decorators know which houses they have decorated and would know, if a house was features, despite the house getting the award that it was their work being praised? I'm a decorator and have even done some decorating for friends and if those houses got featured and a trophy awarded to their house for them submitting to the article, it would still make me proud knowing they felt my work worthy of being submitted and even prouder that my work was good enough that the judgers agreed. *I* know who did the work in the featured house after all and for me, that's enough. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Simply having the award/trophy named "Norrathian Interior Design Recognition Trophy" with the further description reading something like, "This trophy was awarded in recognition of personal housing decorations being highlighted in a Norrathian Interior Design feature article."</p><p>For guild halls, I think a different trophy awarded to the guild hall should be used with the same sort of simplistic descriptors.</p><p>I like Rijacki's suggestion of having the submitter answer a question about who decorated the house in the feature article but don't see why that sort of information needs to be attached to the in game item.</p><p>So basically, it should go to the house/hall being featured since it is <em>that</em> house/hall being praised.</p>

Rijacki
01-08-2011, 10:35 PM
<p>I think it would be great if there were more than one category, not necessarilywith each category featured each week. Even though it's not a "competition", it will still be viewed that way for some and for a 2 room apartment (no break outs and without using a layout editor) to be 'judged' alongside a 6-room place with +300 items from expanders and teleportation discs might be seen as a bit unfair.</p><p>I've been getting addicted to the layout editor and decorating....</p>

Cloudrat
01-09-2011, 12:00 AM
<p><cite>Indabuff wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think we need to keep this in the spirit its being offered. Over complicating it will only make formore problems. I think the award (though bad name for it) is kinda like when you get a t-shirt forparticipating in something. Maybe saying you will be picking one each week from the ones sent in thatyou think the best is setting the wrong attitude from the get go. If thats the case then I agree with some that the non pros are doomed to get passed over and over.</p><p>Homeowner should get the recognition. I know the decorators may disagree but like was said itsnot a contest. Its just a little something for posting your pics. I would suggest if the pro decoratorswant to get it then they submit one of their own houses. Anyway anyone that posts their houseand does not give the decorator credit is maybe someone you dont want to do work for in the future.</p><p>I hope that this will not just be a showcase for all the pro decorators as well. Some of us have notbeen doing this for years and are not at a professional level. I have seen some great ideas from thosenew to the whole decorating thing and I would like to see those houses be featured as well.</p><p>I would also suggest its not a trophy....right off sends wrong message. Maybe a unique vase of flowersor such. Anyway thats my two cents.</p></blockquote><p>What she said<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p>

quiarrah
01-09-2011, 03:36 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As a decorator I would like to have the recognition item, but giving a recognition item to the house owner is just as good.</p><p>The question I have is will break-out houses be featured in the new articles?  I hope the answer is yes, but <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=490939" target="_blank">this thread</a> stated that SOE turns a blind eye to decorating outside the intended area.  I'm not sure it would be a blind eye if a break-out house was featured... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well, I am not a CSR, but my understanding is that it's not *intended* but it's not hurting anybody or giving anybody any kind of in-game advantage, so we don't really mind.  In other words - we aware you can do it, and we aren't going to go to extreme lengths to stop you, but it's not actually intended so if you fall through the world out there where you're not supposed to be, it's your own fault for poking around where you don't belong.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /> </p><p>Hope that helps.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>They aren't really turning a "Blind eye". They know we can do it and we are doing it but they aren't going to go out of their way to stop us. . and if we fall through holes in the world. . it is our own fault for being where we weren't supposed to be to begin with.</p>

Aner
01-09-2011, 04:08 PM
<p>i am doing my first commission, i'm pretty proud of what i've done so far. but while i would like recognition, i dont get why i would get the item. what i want is when someone goes into "my" work of art, that they can see "decorated by _____", even if it's just an afterthought or tacked on with a book title under the reward. put it in the house that gets featured</p><p>to make it more simple, dont even have names on it, just "featured on this date". but that's not as fun</p><p>as for who made the items... i'm me, Casi is my main and who i would like to get recognized on, yet Reyshka is my carpenter and is doing most of the crafting/decorating in my commission house b/c it's in SFP and it's easier to go there as an iksar than a paladin <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Rijacki
01-09-2011, 05:17 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>i am doing my first commission, i'm pretty proud of what i've done so far. but while i would like recognition, i dont get why i would get the item. what i want is when someone goes into "my" work of art, that they can see "decorated by _____", even if it's just an afterthought or tacked on with a book title under the reward. put it in the house that gets featured</p><p>to make it more simple, dont even have names on it, just "featured on this date". but that's not as fun</p><p>as for who made the items... i'm me, Casi is my main and who i would like to get recognized on, yet Reyshka is my carpenter and is doing most of the crafting/decorating in my commission house b/c it's in SFP and it's easier to go there as an iksar than a paladin <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>The "decorated by" you can do on your own with a book you write and place in the creation. I've been thinking about doing that myself. Until I get a sage leveled up (it's been on my to-do list for a couple years *laugh*), I need to remember to buy some for myself <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Geden
01-11-2011, 06:36 PM
<p><span style="color: #99cc00;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">Adding my vote to the placque displaying "owner and decorator" in the title. And support a small prize maybe for the month? Nothing affecting the gameplay, just some trinket that we can proudly display as decorators?                        </span></span></span></p>

KynnVea
01-11-2011, 07:48 PM
<p>Kind of a belated input here:</p><p>Is there some reason a reward cannot be given to both? I understand it is hard to verify who designed it, but when giving it to the homeowner they are more likely to be honest if they and the person who worked hard on their home receive a reward at the same time.</p><p>You can check to see who placed a lot of the items in the logs I believe, it's just not as time-efficent, but if you could request the name of the designer, and the rough time when the place was designed it would probably cut down a lot on the cross-checking.</p><p>Perhaps the reward for the owner should be something like "This home was featured in the Homeshow in January 2010", that way if the home ever changes those who visit can recognize that it likely has.</p><p>And the decorator could get something similiar "Medallion of Excellent Decorating rewarded in January 2010 by the Norrathian Homeshow Coaliation." That way it would be less of a "This person won" and is just being recognized for their talents.</p>

Crymsyn
01-11-2011, 09:54 PM
<p>I really really wish there was a way to give it to the decorator. Since you are going by submissions from the owner then allow them to state if it was done by someone else, who would receive the prize instead. I am surer there's a few here who could end up with a whole wall of awards, but it is still a good thing to reward the time and effort put in.</p><p>Also..</p><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just give it to the home owner. I know it's an injustice to the decorator, but the way I see it, you can tell who decorated the house by inspecting the "Created By" stamps on all of the furniture, indicating which carpenter made it and *PROBABLY* designed it. If most of the furniture belongs to one person, you could probably figure out it was them who designed it. However, if it's all a mishmash from various carpenters, then the home owner should get the reward because they probably designed it by buying what they found off the broker.</p></blockquote><p>Just so you know... You can't judge by who made what in a home... I am NOT a crafter. Despise it. Refuse to do it. But I decorate my houses and my friends'. Mainly from broker buys or from lump lot commissioned items stored in one of my warehouses.</p>

Bratface
01-11-2011, 11:22 PM
<p>I would only give it to homes that are decorated by their owner and here is why....</p><p>It takes no skill to hire someone to decorate your house, the skill is in doing the designing and placement.</p><p>If a decorator wants to enter a contest or be in the running for the trophy then they should place their design in their own house, even if it is a layout/design that they did for someone else, place it in their own home to be judge and awarded, that way there is no issue of who should get it.</p><p>I can't think of any decorator that can't afford any house they want, they can even test_copy if they have to.</p><p>They can freely decorate any houses they want for anyone they choose, but to be judged it should be their design in their home.</p><p>Anyway, this is the only way I see it being fair.</p>

KynnVea
01-12-2011, 12:22 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><blockquote><p>But I decorate my houses and my friends'. Mainly from broker buys or from lump lot commissioned items stored in one of my warehouses.</p></blockquote></blockquote><p>So much this.  I DO have a carpenter, a very high one but all the same.. I also have friends help me make items. In one of my places there are hundreds of stone benches made by someone who isn't me because I enlisted her help to make them to take up less time.</p>

Aner
01-13-2011, 05:53 PM
<p><cite>Bratface wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I would only give it to homes that are decorated by their owner and here is why....</p><p>It takes no skill to hire someone to decorate your house, the skill is in doing the designing and placement.</p><p>If a decorator wants to enter a contest or be in the running for the trophy then they should place their design in their own house, even if it is a layout/design that they did for someone else, place it in their own home to be judge and awarded, that way there is no issue of who should get it.</p><p>I can't think of any decorator that can't afford any house they want, they can even test_copy if they have to.</p><p>They can freely decorate any houses they want for anyone they choose, but to be judged it should be their design in their home.</p><p>Anyway, this is the only way I see it being fair.</p></blockquote><p>except in my case, my commission is a MCE... i'm over a year from one of those <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> there's been a few commissions of skiffs posted here too, not like we can get more of those, they'll (probably) never be "ours" if we dont already have one</p>

Senya
01-22-2011, 08:55 PM
<p><cite>Amnerys wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Quick answers to a couple of questions...</p><p>The way we plan to work this going forward is to have players submit their own creations (homes, awesome things like pirate ships, broken-out structures, etc.) via email, with submitted screenshots that they take. We don't have Gnobrin on the team anymore (lucky little gnome got himself onto the real EQII art team, hehe) and to be perfectly honest, the reason we've not been able to keep up with the feature the last few months is because of the amount of time it takes for us to be the ones seeking out homes to feature, logging in and visiting the home, taking the screens, etc. On our other games with homes, we've always had players submit their own screens and info, and we choose from the submissions they send in.</p><p>As for selection process, well it's not a contest. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> It's really just going to be, "Who has submitted, and which of the ones sitting in our inbox knocks our socks off the most, or is the prettiest, or coolest, etc. That's the one we'll feature this time around." It's going to be very subjective, and therefore, not a contest.</p><p>The reward should be thought of more as a "Thank you for sending in your home/creation and allowing us to feature it," and not, "Yours is the greatest thing ever! You get a prize!!" It should definitely be thought of as a REward for sharing something, and not an Award for winning something.</p><p>In one of our other game communities, those players have had this model of weekly feature for many years, and the highlighted homeowner gets a title. Unfortunately, sometimes you'll find snarky responses from someone (and half the time it's someone who has already been featured) downplaying the winner's home. "I can do better." Or, "My submission was better, why wasn't it chosen?" Or "Why are you giving this person the reward? It takes away any prestige that the rest of us have earned because theirs clearly isn't as good as ours." And so on.</p><p>This is something that we <em>don't</em> want to be competitive, just fun (and enticing for those who aren't decorators/designers yet!!) and if we can start off on that foot over here in EQII land, we'll be all the better for it. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Now as for guild halls, I'll have to check and see if there's something that can be awarded to the guild hall itself. I hadn't thought about how raid trophies work and such...perhaps they could use that kind of coding and make me something I can give out that's similar.</p><p>As for personalized items...right now there's no way that I know of to personalize something like that unless it were a book. At least not anything unique that I have. What it take for that to happen is a new item made every time we awarded one, and that's dev time, plus they wouldn't be added to the game until the next game update. I'll talk with Domino and see if she has any cool ideas that will be simple for her. If it's something I can hand out magirifically through my handy-dandy remote tool, all the better.</p><p>I'd like to start this sooner than later, so we may even get started featuring before the rewards are ready and I'll catch up with the IOUs as the items are available.</p><p>Keep the feedback coming!</p></blockquote><p>Who/where do we mail our screenshots to?  Or are you not taking screens yet? =)</p>