How to fix Ganak

[Warlorm]

<p>It doesn't require fancy game mechanic changes.  Just redo the architecture.</p><p>Just make the wall around the bases so high you can't slow fall onto it.  I'm tired of full length Ganak matches where some wise guy sits in a nook on the wall untouchable because no one else has slow fall.  It's not a tactic, it's an exploit.  They're called BATTLEgrounds for goodness sake.  You shouldn't be forced to play a fairy, or use an equipment slot just to be able to have a shot at the flag holder.</p>

[Shredderr]

<p>i keep a pair of jump boots macroed jump where i have to and hit my macro to put normal gear back on and slap em in the face till they die fall or run ftl .</p>

[Xiotia]

<p><cite>Shredderr wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>i keep a pair of jump boots macroed jump where i have to and hit my macro to put normal gear back on and slap em in the face till they die fall or run ftl .</p></blockquote><p>Me too, but sometimes they keep a tank or scout up there with the boots as well and knock you off before you can. Actually I don't mind it so much when they get on the walls, but I saw somebody get between the legs of the Iksar statues. Even with my gnome boots jumping from all nearby ledges, could I figure out how to get up there to kill him. Spent the last four minutes of the match trying. </p>

[gmping]

<p><span >It's not an exploit, it's a tactic.</span></p><p>I don't have wings but I make it up there all the time to either hold the flag or knock the flag carrier off.</p><p>Quite often when I'm up there I encounter opposing players who have developed countertactics that are quite effective at knocking me off.</p><p>War is never fair, you can complain about it or evolve adapt and overcome.</p>

[Avirodar]

<p>War is never fair, but the ability to fay-glide up on top of your base and hide in awkward positions is detrimental to the flow of gameplay.Saying it is a "tactic" means squat. A tactic is just a plan or procedure. So by definition, that means using every cheat program, hack and bug in EQ2 is merely using tactics.The flow of gameplay in Ganak would be bolstered significantly, if the upper architecture (the very top parts) of Ganak bases was not accessible to players.</p>

[Grumble69]

<p>Aside from what has been mentioned, they can still be attacked without following them up there.</p>

[Uinael_Guk]

<p>Another fix is remove combat speed.  One of the worst aspects to EQ2 that should never be in place in PVE and especially PVP.  Cast while moving too would be nice, they can do it for Roehn Theer, I don't see why they can't add that to BG's.  </p><p>Doesn't matter though, BG's are dead.</p>

[Warlorm]

<p>You can still hit them up there, in SOME spots.  There are areas where you're mostly untouchable, and if someone catches you from an odd angle, you just have to take two steps.</p><p>And I'm aware of how to do it, and can do it.  I don't.  It bothers me just as much when MY team does it as the other team.  It's an exploit.  Atleast you can try and cut off the people running at the speed of light and hit them with a snare.  In either case, when ONE person can put 24+ other peoples game on permanent hold, that aspect is broken.</p>

[Egeis]

<p><cite>gmping wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span>It's not an exploit, it's a tactic.</span></p><p><span><strong>Its an Exploit, using game mechanics in a unbalanced way.</strong></span></p><p>I don't have wings but I make it up there all the time to either hold the flag or knock the flag carrier off.</p><p><strong>Good for you.</strong></p><p>Quite often when I'm up there I encounter opposing players who have developed countertactics that are quite effective at knocking me off.</p><p><strong>Maybe at the higher levels, but at 30-39 the tools to knock you off are very limited.</strong></p><p>War is never fair, you can complain about it or evolve adapt and overcome.</p><p><strong>If this was war then id agree with you, but its just a game.</strong></p></blockquote>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>Ranger's Hook Arrow will do it.  Pulls 'em right down into the pool of sharks waiting below.</p><p>Doing that seems to irritate them.  /shrugs, maybe it's just me.</p>

[Taldier]

<p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>...Saying it is a "tactic" means squat. A tactic is just a plan or procedure. So by definition, that means using every cheat program, hack and bug in EQ2 is merely using tactics....</p></blockquote><p>We both know that this is probably one of the most absurd arguments anyone could make.  You cannot compare the use of an ingame item and ability, which do exactly what the descriptions say they are supposed to do, to a 3rd party program.</p><p>The exact same idiotic statement can be used to say: "Healers casting heals is an exploit because they push a button which is just like running a 3rd party hack program by pressing a button!"</p><p><cite>Egeis@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>gmping wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span>It's not an exploit, it's a tactic.</span></p><p><span><strong>Its an Exploit, using game mechanics in a unbalanced way.</strong></span></p><p><span><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">You dont know the definition of the word exploit.</span></strong></span></p><p><span><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">An exploit is using game mechanics in an <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>unintended</em></span> way.  If "using game mechanics in an unbalanced way" was an exploit we would all have to take off all our gear because wearing better gear than your opponents is a game mechanic.</span></strong></span></p><p><span><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">The jump boots do exactly what they say they are supposed to do and always have done.  It should be pretty common sense that if they were not intended to make you jump further they would not say on them that they make you jump further.</span></strong></span></p><p><span><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">If someone were to find a way to use the jump boots in combination with some other mechanic to rocket you 500 feet up in the air or jump through walls, <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">that</span> </em>would be an exploit.</span></strong></span></p><p>...</p></blockquote></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">in red</span></p>