Umm, devs, hello?

[Peppto]

<p>I'm not sure why this hasn't been fixed yet but it is really frusterating me. moreso lately as I have been playing my bruiser and he hauls a-s in bg. I do not fear any bg challenge on my bruiser, BUT THE ONE SIDED STACKED BG'S HAVE TO END!</p><p>Seriously, I joined several bg's today alone, in which the one side had exactly the 3 classes, a zerker, and warden, and a ranger.</p><p>I it was imposible to kill the zerker, imposible to target the warden(cuz of the zerker taunting) and again, imposible to target the ranger and the ranger was 1-2 shoting me(naggy feller I'd guess).</p><p>But that leads to the subject of this post, MY GROUP HAD NO HEALER AT ALL. so you can just imagine how well our group did.</p><p>Bg's should be decided on skill, not who gets the randomly stacked group of supertoons VS the group that gets the 6-7k life conji/wizard a troub and a handful of other victims.</p><p>As I stated, I will take any pvp challenge on my bruiser, but when groups are stacked like that, it isnt even pvp anymore, it's pointless slaughter.</p><p>PLEASE FIX THE BG GROUPING SYSTEM. plz/thx.</p><p>Final note: I don't mean it has to be perfect in the way that blizard( a company that everyone who plays eq2 apparently hates) perfected the grouping system for their random dungeon finder. SOE just cant pull off that kind of perfection on the first shot, don't ask me why.  I'd just be happy if it kept the groups even(for number of players) and gave both groups either 1+ healer each, or no healer for either.</p><p>Weather some people want to admit it or not, the healer is a huge deciding factor on who wins bg's, if a healer is good, the group can't be killed, if the tank is good, the healer can't be killed, and that's that.(note: mainly speaking of gears with this post)</p>

[Wytie]

<p>Im sorry but this rage thread made me lol.</p><p>You are asking them to fix things that cannot really be fixed. There is alot of randomness to BG's when you que up by yourself.</p><p>The more and more they remove that randomness the less and less BG will que then the less and less people will run them even further.</p><p>The match maker cant be perfect quit crying and deal with it or get yourself a premade.......</p><p>This is why most people cant handle EQ2 pvp, because its simply just not fair, you have to make it fair.</p>

[Crismorn]

<p>I think pre-mades should be split up on both teams if the balance is not even close.</p><p>You are still in the same game, just playing against each other for the good of balance.</p><p>Not that it matters since SoE gave up on bg's</p>

[Ralpmet]

<p>Please add feedback to my post about being able to also queue for 2 bgs at once instead of only 1 or 3.</p><p>What happens is the matchmaker lines up 2 balanced teams to fight each other, then people decline the invatation because they want one of the other bg's. Now the matchmaker has to find a new candidate, hopefully one that doesn't decline. Keeps going and going until it's forced to fill up with people that don't fill the roles.</p><p>Multi-queue in '10!</p>

[TuinalOfTheNexus]

<p>With the game in its current form, I'd rather wait an extra 5 mins than play a gears match with anything other than a single healer on each side.</p>

[Wytie]

<p>I have won plently of matches without a healer when the other team had 1.</p><p>Becides there is nothing the match maker can do about a healer declining or going LD after que'n for a match.</p><p>Nobody thinks about that, its so much easier to rage and make a thread about it so you feel better.....</p>

[Peppto]

<p>The 'matchmaker' in wow can come up with a healer EVERY TIME. It's not really a complicated concept, if the healer bails, the matchmaker should find another healer to fill the spot. The matchmaker should not load both teams into the match until they have accepted, that is the way the wow one works and it does not have a problem, I never felt the need to'rage' on forums about the wow matchmaker.</p><p>And please do respond with something a tad more intellectual than 'go play wow then!' cuz I'm looking to see this game improved, I will go play wow when the expansion is out, until then I have to make the most of eq2.</p><p>And I really do get sick and tired of people trolling these forums and not being useful in the least and just reponding to anyone looking for improvment with 'that's the way it is, stop crying about it'  seriously, people like you should be banned from forum, if you can't be useful, then [Removed for Content].</p><p>I know wow has a larger player base, but as an added point to my argument; healers have become much more played in this last couple expansions due to the improvments made to the healer classes. I've seen healers put out 5-10k dps(depending on gear and skill) and still keep the group alive to boot. So I don't exactly think there is a shortage of healers.</p><p>Another point with the wow matchmaker is that it will drop the group from the queue if someone does not accept, but then it will imediately retry to make the group; it works fast and acurately. Hell the wow matchmaker even factors gear into the group make-up; but I'm not even asking that, I just want the groups to be even from a basic viewpoint; both groups have or don't have a healer and have the same amount of players, give or take one. Really really simple imho.</p><p>If the healer bails once the bg has started, there is nothing that can really be done about that, I'm mearly speaking of the initial group(I've rarely had a healer bail after start of match anyways, and besides, people get penalized for bailing once the match is started)</p><p>I'd personally rather wait 5 more mins for a bg, and get a healer, than to waste 10 mins on a one sided BG and walk away with 1 token(cuz at least if we get a healer, and still lose, then it is fun, 1 sided bg is no fun imo). keep in mind ya need 80-90 of the things for 1 piece of armor.</p><p>Final note: I already stated that a bg can be won without a healer, I've seen it done, once(out of many) but it tips the odds much in the other teams favor if we don't have one and they do(especially if they got an uber ranger and unkillable zerk).</p>

[Peppto]

<p>Ok, prime example of this BS 'matchmaking'. Right now I'm in a BG in which our team has no healer, and theirs has TWO, [Removed for Content] SOE,  I don't care if someone droped from queue or whatever, why is it giving the other team two healers when our team does not have one???</p>

[Wytie]

<p><cite>Peppto@Najena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ok, prime example of this BS 'matchmaking'. Right now I'm in a BG in which our team has no healer, and theirs has TWO, [Removed for Content] SOE,  I don't care if someone droped from queue or whatever, why is it giving the other team two healers when our team does not have one???</p></blockquote><p>There are many reasons why that happens, but you really dont wish to hear them.</p><p>Igorance is bliss, except for in your case.</p>

[Peppto]

<p><cite>Paill@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peppto@Najena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ok, prime example of this BS 'matchmaking'. Right now I'm in a BG in which our team has no healer, and theirs has TWO, [Removed for Content] SOE,  I don't care if someone droped from queue or whatever, why is it giving the other team two healers when our team does not have one???</p></blockquote><p>There are many reasons why that happens, but you really dont wish to hear them.</p><p>Igorance is bliss, except for in your case.</p></blockquote><p>And for you being a troll must be bliss, lol.</p>

[bks6721]

<p><cite>Peppto@Najena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ok, prime example of this BS 'matchmaking'. Right now I'm in a BG in which our team has no healer, and theirs has TWO, [Removed for Content] SOE,  I don't care if someone droped from queue or whatever, why is it giving the other team two healers when our team does not have one???</p></blockquote><p>why did you que up without a healer?</p>

[Auxillery]

<p>Prime example of BG fail. 5 healers and a troub VS 2 sins a templar and a dirge... (Klak) FAILURE IMO!!</p>

[Raknid]

<p>One that really made me laugh the other day was when our side started a Smuggler match with 5 healers and 2 warlocks. After it started some people started to trickle in, but that orignal pairing was a head scratcher. Go figure.</p>

[Peppto]

<p><cite>Raknid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>One that really made me laugh the other day was when our side started a Smuggler match with 5 healers and 2 warlocks. After it started some people started to trickle in, but that orignal pairing was a head scratcher. Go figure.</p></blockquote><p>Imo, heal the crap outta the warlocks while they haul a-s on AE's. Seriously though, this issue needs some looking into, not just the usual 'turn the other cheek' SOE mentality.</p>

[Uinael_Guk]

<p>Check the EQ2X forums if you want dev support.  They've moved on.</p>

[Xiotia]

<p><cite>Raknid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>One that really made me laugh the other day was when our side started a Smuggler match with 5 healers and 2 warlocks. After it started some people started to trickle in, but that orignal pairing was a head scratcher. Go figure.</p></blockquote><p>I have a one up there: My group (consisting of a Mystic and myself) queued in with one other. We did half the match (something like 7 minutes) with just the three of us, and the other team had 11 (did a /who to check). By the time people started trickling in we did a massive come back, but unfortunately lost by 100 points. It was pretty funny tho. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Davish_Darkwolf]

<p>welcome to the game of endless taunts, the most completely ridiculous idea on PvP  ever made</p>

[ntommyb]

<p>The only thing a match maker needs to worry about is getting at least one healer in each group or none at all.  It doesn't seem that hard to code.  I'd love to see one tank each or none also but that's not game breaking like one group with no healer</p>

[ntommyb]

<p><cite>Davish_Darkwolf wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>welcome to the game of endless taunts, the most completely ridiculous idea on PvP  ever made</p></blockquote><p>Taunts are beautiful, I've never played a tank but there should be one in every group.  Its easily the best thing about eq2 pvp imo learn to play against it (it can be done) because its not going away</p>