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Waking
06-29-2010, 05:43 PM
<p>I've earned about 30 tokens by being in a PvP zone. I killed one person, and contributed nothing otherwise. I wasn't even trying to PvP. I was trying to get AA by doing lowbie quests on an alt.</p><p>So, you can earn tokens <span style="color: #ff0000;">Player Versus Player</span> reward tokens by making dinner (<span style="color: #00ff00;">Sitting AFK</span>), or you can more or less <span style="color: #3366ff;">ignore PvP</span> and do something entirely unrelated.</p><p>I suspect that if I payed attention, I could post on the forums for a few hours a day or surf the web in windowed mode and make a few dozen tokens EVERY day, by showing up.</p><p>It's understandable that if people are paying a monthly subscription that the company gaining from those dollars would make time investment a major factor in 'progress'. But, is this working as intended?</p>

zyllith
06-29-2010, 05:53 PM
<p><cite>Waking wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've earned about 30 tokens by being in a PvP zone. I killed one person, and contributed nothing otherwise. I wasn't even trying to PvP. I was trying to get AA by doing lowbie quests on an alt.</p><p>So, you can earn tokens <span style="color: #ff0000;">Player Versus Player</span> reward tokens by making dinner (<span style="color: #00ff00;">Sitting AFK</span>), or you can more or less <span style="color: #3366ff;">ignore PvP</span> and do something entirely unrelated.</p><p>I suspect that if I payed attention, I could post on the forums for a few hours a day or surf the web in windowed mode and make a few dozen tokens EVERY day, by showing up.</p><p>It's understandable that if people are paying a monthly subscription that the company gaining from those dollars would make time investment a major factor in 'progress'. But, is this working as intended?</p></blockquote><p>Yep, working as intended: to get that token you needed to run up to and into the tower, during which time you were out of immunity.  While running back to the dock you were again out of immunity, and until the timer counted down on the dock you were still out of immunity.</p><p>All during those periods you were vulnerable to attack, <span style="color: #ff0000;">Player Versus Player</span> style, and would have been a rich source of updates had someone rooted, stunned and dispatched you.  Recall, prior to WF's the big gripe was "nobody ever PvP's" ... so, no targets to whack.  You, sir, for that brief period of time, were what is colloquially termed a "target", indeed a "target" that if it wasn't for the reward of the 5 tokens drawing you to the WF would never have been at that location in the first place. </p><p>The intention (draw players out for PvP that would normally never be together there) *was* accomplished and appears to be, well, working as intended ...</p>

Waking
06-29-2010, 06:17 PM
<p>So, I get 5 tokens and some status so that someone else can get credit for killing me once?</p>

Taldier
06-29-2010, 06:48 PM
<p><cite>Waking wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So, I get 5 tokens and some status so that someone else can get credit for killing me once?</p></blockquote><p>Yes, because the carebears needed an event where everyone gets credit for trying.</p><p>This is what society gets for raising an entire generation of underachieving children who need everything handed to them.</p><p>Everyone should have outgrown the "participation award" mentality after kindergarten.</p>

zyllith
06-29-2010, 08:45 PM
<p><cite>Waking wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So, I get 5 tokens and some status so that someone else can get credit for killing me once?</p></blockquote><p>*ding* Most excellent, we now have understanding!  +10</p>

Whill
06-30-2010, 08:53 PM
<p>So, what is the incentive to actually try to take down the towers then?  Is there one? </p><p>I've shown up to a few warfields, because I happened to be in the zone when it all went down, and for the most part I've rarely been able to find anyone in my level range to kill.  Mostly everyone was hanging around, not fighting.  The docks were crammed with people from both sides, hanging around.  Sometimes, if I saw someone in a fight who needed help, I would try and help even though everyone was a sea of red-con names.  Occasionally I would rez a person.  And after awhile I got tokens.</p><p>So...I could have just stood around on the dock among the other crowd of people and done nothing?  Made dinner, folded laundry, did some channel flicking...and still got those same tokens?</p><p>That blows chunks.</p>

zyllith
06-30-2010, 09:36 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So, what is the incentive to actually try to take down the towers then?  Is there one? </p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Agreed, that's a big problem with the WF's -- there's no "goal" to being there other than the thrill of burning down a tower for the Q's.  You can really tell that people are wanting a goal, because people make them up -- the other day the Q's were in a race to see how fast they could burn down the towers each WF.  There have been a bunch of good ideas by people in the Warfields threads about how to add a "goal" to the WF, I really hope that the dev's can do this ...</span></p><p>I've shown up to a few warfields, because I happened to be in the zone when it all went down, and for the most part I've rarely been able to find anyone in my level range to kill.  Mostly everyone was hanging around, not fighting.  The docks were crammed with people from both sides, hanging around.  Sometimes, if I saw someone in a fight who needed help, I would try and help even though everyone was a sea of red-con names.  Occasionally I would rez a person.  And after awhile I got tokens.</p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">That's because, frankly and tragically, you have chosen a toon who is the wrong level.  I can guarantee that while most of the T5's and T6's were sitting around the T3's and some T4's were swarming around PvP'ing like the dickens.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Note, however, that you *did* get involved to an extent; you tried to join into a fight [as a grey con leecher, no less! No insult intended!] ... that's more than just hanging around waiting for a token, eh?</span></p><p>So...I could have just stood around on the dock among the other crowd of people and done nothing?  Made dinner, folded laundry, did some channel flicking...and still got those same tokens?</p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">You could have, and like I said earlier about 40% of the toons do just that; run up, ding, run back, wait to end, ding.  That's OK for me -- it doesn't affect the quality of my life or the quality of my gameplay if someone has 1,000,000 tokens so if they like to harvest tokens like some harvest tussak roots then I'm good with that ...</span></p><p>That blows chunks.</p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Sorry to hear that, may I suggest that you delete one of your T5, T6, T7 toons and re-roll a T3 to make things a little more satisfying?  Now that locking is back, you know those T3's ain't *never* gonna level to where you're at, yes?</span></p></blockquote>

Bosconi
06-30-2010, 11:48 PM
<p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Multiple solutions to this were mentioned in the following thread:</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;"><a href="list.m?topic_id=481953">Fundamental Reformation in Stagnation? Warfields/Faction Balance/PvP Ranks/Immunity/Items</a></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Posting your point of view would be most appreciated! =]</span></p>

max.power
07-01-2010, 06:02 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So...I could have just stood around on the dock among the other crowd of people and done nothing?  Made dinner, folded laundry, did some channel flicking...and still got those same tokens?</p></blockquote><p>Yes, that's what some/many people do.</p><p>Maybe some of them will realise that actually joining the fights, trying to destroy/defend the towers, getting into nice 1vs1 or group fights will give them 10 times more tokens than hanging around /afk in immunity. On top of that it might even be fun... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" /></p>