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Orthureon
06-10-2010, 12:54 PM
<p>Wizards are definitely not doing too much damage, they are probably doing less than they should. However, with that said they are also mitigating more damage than tanks. Here are some examples:</p><p><span style="color: #ff9900;">The Commonlands 2 - [3] 11:26:41 PM | Feniks - [02:16] (6/7/2010) 11:28:20 PM | Feniks | Incoming Damage</span></p><p><table cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" width="100%"><tbody><tr><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">Type</span></th><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">Damage</span></th><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">Ext DPS</span></th><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">Average</span></th><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">Min Hit</span></th><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">Max Hit</span></th><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">Resist</span></th><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">Hits</span></th><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">Crit %</span></th><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">Swings</span></th><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">To Hit %</span></th></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">All</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">11,665</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">85.77</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">117.83</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">356</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">All</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">99</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">40%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">124</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">79.84</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">warded</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">3,957</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">29.10</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">131.90</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">64</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">265</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">warded</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">30</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">37%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">30</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">slash</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1,348</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">9.91</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">192.57</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">91</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">356</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">slashing</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">7</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">71%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">18</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">38.89</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">crush</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1,043</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">7.67</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">208.60</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">53</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">308</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">crushing</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">5</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">80%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">13</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">38.46</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Maul</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">636</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">4.68</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">159.00</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">113</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">261</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">slashing</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">4</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">25%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">4</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Bloodbath</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">549</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">4.04</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">183.00</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">94</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">305</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">slashing</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">3</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">33%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">3</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Demolish</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">461</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">3.39</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">230.50</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">207</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">254</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">slashing</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">2</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">3</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">66.67</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Frenzy</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">388</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">2.85</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">97.00</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">68</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">124</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">slashing</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">4</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">25%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">5</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">80.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Acceleration Strike</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">370</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">2.72</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">92.50</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">62</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">132</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">slashing</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">4</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">75%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">4</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Body Check</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">348</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">2.56</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">174.00</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">92</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">256</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">crushing</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">2</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">50%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">2</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Rampaging Blow</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">312</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">2.29</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">78.00</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">51</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">91</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">slashing</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">4</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">25%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">5</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">80.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Knee Break</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">246</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1.81</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">82.00</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">55</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">118</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">crushing</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">3</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">67%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">4</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">75.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Mutilate</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">232</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1.71</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">29.00</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">24</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">62</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">slashing</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">8</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">8</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Gladiator's Strike</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">221</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1.63</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">221.00</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">221</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">221</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">warded</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Executioner's Wrath</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">200</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1.47</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">82</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">118</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">slashing</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">2</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">50%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">2</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Head Crush</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">195</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1.43</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">65.00</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">61</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">71</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">crushing</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">3</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">67%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">3</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Berserker Onslaught</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">180</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1.32</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">180.00</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">180</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">180</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">slashing</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Rupture</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">180</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1.32</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">90.00</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">76</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">104</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">slashing</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">2</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">2</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Greater Rune of Blasting</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">180</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1.32</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">45.00</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">45</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">45</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">magic</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">4</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">6</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">66.67</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Lifeless Touch</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">151</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1.11</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">50.33</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">46</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">58</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">magic</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">3</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">3</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Raging Blow</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">144</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1.06</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">72.00</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">41</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">103</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">slashing</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">2</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">2</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Stunning Roar</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">116</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0.85</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">116.00</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">116</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">116</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">slashing</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Belly Smash</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">92</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0.68</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">92.00</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">92</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">92</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">slashing</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Gleaming Strike</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">84</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0.62</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">84.00</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">84</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">84</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">warded</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Sanguine Feedback</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">32</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0.24</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">32.00</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">32</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">32</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">warded</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">melee</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0.00</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0.00</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">melee</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr></tbody></table></p><p><span style="color: #ff9900;">The Commonlands 2 - [3] 11:26:41 PM | Feniks - [02:16] (6/7/2010) 11:28:20 PM | Feniks | Healed (Out)</span></p><p><table cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" width="100%"><tbody><tr><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">Type</span></th><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">Damage</span></th><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">Ext DPS</span></th><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">Average</span></th><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">Min Hit</span></th><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">Max Hit</span></th><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">Resist</span></th><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">Hits</span></th><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">Crit %</span></th><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">Swings</span></th><th><span style="color: #ff9900;">To Hit %</span></th></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">All</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">8,235</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">60.55</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">99.22</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">6</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">278</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">All</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">83</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">83</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Magi's Shielding</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">3,614</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">26.57</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">133.85</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">13</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">278</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Absorption</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">27</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">27</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Ward of Sanctuary</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1,777</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">13.07</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">88.85</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">6</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">225</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Absorption</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">20</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">20</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Shielding of the Magi</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">1,589</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">11.68</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">75.67</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">6</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">227</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Absorption</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">21</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">21</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Rune of the Eye</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">606</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">4.46</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">86.57</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">32</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">154</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Absorption</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">7</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">7</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Runic Barrier</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">362</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">2.66</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">72.40</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">24</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">118</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Absorption</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">5</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">5</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr><tr><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Absorption Shield</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">287</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">2.11</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">95.67</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">56</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">148</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">Absorption</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">3</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">0%</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">3</span></td><td><span style="color: #ff9900;">100.00</span></td></tr></tbody></table></p>

Wytie
06-10-2010, 01:09 PM
<p>Looks like to me that Wizz speced for full defensive, giving up some dps for more survivability.</p><p>Amazing how this game allows us to do that. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Just be glad it was a 2min fight rather than a 2sec oneshot fight......</p>

Kota
06-10-2010, 01:14 PM
wizards tank hi tiers too

Edgard
06-10-2010, 03:18 PM
<p>I've seen wizards with 8k mitigation W.T.F</p>

Wytie
06-10-2010, 03:51 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've seen wizards with 8k mitigation W.T.F</p></blockquote><p>Iv also seen their IC and Fussion double hit and not take me below green, [Removed for Content].</p>

Bjerde
06-11-2010, 01:45 AM
<p>Sorc can get mitigation and wards through aa's and they always have been able to. Everyone got bumped up in mit with the new Character traits. They give up a whole aa tree of dps if they want to spec that way.</p><p>Just like an SK can get more healing out of their AA's and can heal much more than a tank should be able to.</p>

Sprin
06-11-2010, 08:18 AM
<p>Wizzies can Trio Tank PR... so... yeah...</p>

baldwinboy3
06-11-2010, 10:10 AM
<p>PAILL is right here on this post. I dont know paill but he seems to be right on for most things. 2 min fight is way better than the 2 seconds kill them before they know they are in pvp fight</p>

Ammem
06-11-2010, 08:47 PM
To be honest with you, I would love to give up some defense for offense, but the problem is that in Tier 7, at least, if I am fighting some classes ( mainly tanks and healers), spells hit for very little. Therefore the only way for me to PvP is to become a tank so to say. And yes, your numbers do not lie, I am at roughly 56% physical mitigation, 61-67% magical resists, and avoidance at over 50% ( due to high Parry). Combine all that with about 6 wards, I can be tough to take down.

Crismorn
06-11-2010, 10:00 PM
<p>It is stupid, but their dps is terrible.</p><p>Wizards should be the best single target spike dmg along with assassins, they are not even close to 1st more like 10th.</p>

Orthureon
06-11-2010, 11:59 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It is stupid, but their dps is terrible.</p><p>Wizards should be the best single target spike dmg along with assassins, they are not even close to 1st more like 10th.</p></blockquote><p>I agree, I wish the roll went back to more of the glass cannon type. Before this insane mitigation increase they got, the good Sorcerors usually would win with a well time Manashield. Now they don't realistically need it.</p>

Dh
06-12-2010, 09:17 AM
<p>Here is an idea... stop trying to balance everything taking double attacks in to account.</p><p>For PVP, Disable all double attacks including melee and spell double attacks THEN TRY TO BALANCE DAMAGE.</p><p>think bout it. this is the problem.</p>

Kota
06-12-2010, 09:24 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Here is an idea... stop trying to balance everything taking double attacks in to account.</p><p>For PVP, Disable all double attacks including melee and spell double attacks THEN TRY TO BALANCE DAMAGE.</p><p>think bout it. this is the problem.</p></blockquote><p>on the dumb idea scale of 1-10, i give it a 9.</p>

Dh
06-12-2010, 10:06 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Here is an idea... stop trying to balance everything taking double attacks in to account.</p><p>For PVP, Disable all double attacks including melee and spell double attacks THEN TRY TO BALANCE DAMAGE.</p><p>think bout it. this is the problem.</p></blockquote><p>on the dumb idea scale of 1-10, i give it a 9.</p></blockquote><p>The 10 is reserved for yourself only?</p>

Thinwizzy
06-12-2010, 12:33 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Here is an idea... stop trying to balance everything taking double attacks in to account.</p><p>For PVP, Disable all double attacks including melee and spell double attacks THEN TRY TO BALANCE DAMAGE.</p><p>think bout it. this is the problem.</p></blockquote><p>on the dumb idea scale of 1-10, i give it a 9.</p></blockquote><p>The 10 is reserved for yourself only?</p></blockquote><p>The 10 is reserved for things like disabling taunts.  This is definitely a 9, maybe even a 9.5.</p>

Gorgamorph
06-13-2010, 02:36 AM
<p>wizards were never intended to particpate in combat, which is the only way I've been able to explain the complete lack of dps they now have. The proper way to roll play your wizard is to sit in the mage tower in nfp and disuss and ponder the many scrolls there with the other NPCs ... that's how you should be playing your wiz, not fighting people.</p>

Araktir
06-13-2010, 03:25 AM
<p><cite>baldwinboy3 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>PAILL is right here on this post. I dont know paill but he seems to be right on for most things. 2 min fight is way better than the 2 seconds kill them before they know they are in pvp fight</p></blockquote><p>Please, please, please do not encourage Pail.  He doesn't need it. </p><p>And his spelling sucks! And... stuff.</p>

Sprin
06-13-2010, 06:49 AM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It is stupid, but their dps is terrible.</p><p>Wizards should be the best single target spike dmg along with <span style="color: #ff0000;">RANGERS</span>, they are not even close to 1st more like 10th.</p></blockquote><p>Fixed it for you.... but we arent talking about all the other broken classes here are we?</p>

Roald
06-14-2010, 11:51 AM
<p>Sorcerers can get their survivability too high for a mage in PvP atm.</p>

Wytie
06-14-2010, 12:01 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>baldwinboy3 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>PAILL is right here on this post. I dont know paill but he seems to be right on for most things. 2 min fight is way better than the 2 seconds kill them before they know they are in pvp fight</p></blockquote><p>Please, please, please do not encourage Pail.  He doesn't need it. </p><p>And his spelling sucks! And... stuff.</p></blockquote><p>hahaha now now Arth dont be jeolous <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  <3</p>

Kota
06-14-2010, 01:14 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Sorcerers can get their survivability too high for a mage in PvP atm.</p></blockquote><p>a good battlemage is harder for me (zerk) to kill than a good ranger.  /shrug</p>

Portbott
06-15-2010, 11:16 AM
<p>Yer fightin' some pretty terribad wizards, sir. I can get Khryll to about 7k mit self buffed and sell walk around smacking peoples like a truck!</p>

Orthureon
06-15-2010, 10:42 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yer fightin' some pretty terribad wizards, sir. I can get Khryll to about 7k mit self buffed and sell walk around smacking peoples like a truck!</p></blockquote><p>So in other words they are taking far too much damage for a cloth wearer, all while still putting out a lot of damage?</p>

Portbott
06-16-2010, 01:36 PM
<p>Woah woah. I didn't say all that. Before I specced into it, any random scrub could hit me twice and I'd roll over dead. I'm not invincible. But someone has to do more than just turn on their auto attack to do anything to me. Also, people rocking full sets of PVP gear are untouchable for me. Debuff, Temp up, and Ice Comet to the face for 2400 is pretty hardcore, amirite?</p><p>It's not like I'm an SK!</p>

Orthureon
06-16-2010, 01:59 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Woah woah. I didn't say all that. Before I specced into it, any random scrub could hit me twice and I'd roll over dead. I'm not invincible. But someone has to do more than just turn on their auto attack to do anything to me. Also, people rocking full sets of PVP gear are untouchable for me. Debuff, Temp up, and Ice Comet to the face for 2400 is pretty hardcore, amirite?</p><p>It's not like I'm an SK!</p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">Hey hey now, I resemble that remark. I mean I can only solo level 90+ triple up mobs. Sks need loving BIG TIME... </span></p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><hr /></span><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">Dear Devs,</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">SKs need a zone-wide AE Harm Touch on a 1s recast. I am certain then they will be balanced.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">Sincerely,</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">Underpowered Shadowknight</span></p><hr /></blockquote>