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CoLD MeTaL
06-08-2010, 05:01 PM
<p>People don't want to go back to gray zones, etc.  or camp old content.  How do YOU entice them?</p>

Jesdyr
06-08-2010, 05:02 PM
<p>get better friends</p>

Loolee
06-08-2010, 06:03 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>get better friends</p></blockquote><p>BE a better friend.</p>

Jesdyr
06-08-2010, 06:12 PM
<p><cite>Loolee wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>get better friends</p></blockquote><p>BE a better friend.</p></blockquote><p>That helps in getting better ones <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Kunaak
06-08-2010, 06:16 PM
<p>theres alot of times in this game your gonna need help.</p><p>with your mythical, epic, TSO Sig Quest, Dartain Sig Quest, flawless charm, that stuff with jojo...</p><p>if you dont bother helping anyone, your gonna find yourself alone, when you need help.</p>

Gungo
06-08-2010, 06:26 PM
<p>Honestly I see random people asking for help in 80-90 level chat all the time and I help them alot. Most times they end up getting more help then they need. Not sure if there is a personality issue with you and your server.</p>

CoLD MeTaL
06-08-2010, 06:39 PM
<p><cite>Kunaak wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>theres alot of times in this game your gonna need help.</p><p>with your mythical, epic, TSO Sig Quest, Dartain Sig Quest, flawless charm, that stuff with jojo...</p><p>if you dont bother helping anyone, your gonna find yourself alone, when you need help.</p></blockquote><p>I don't know where the thought came that I don't help others, because I do help others all the time any chance I get.  But seriously, I know people don't want to go to old gray zones etc since there isn't anything in it for them.  I go help people just to help but that doesn't seem to motivate others.</p>

Gungo
06-08-2010, 07:17 PM
<p><cite>CoLD MeTaL wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kunaak wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>theres alot of times in this game your gonna need help.</p><p>with your mythical, epic, TSO Sig Quest, Dartain Sig Quest, flawless charm, that stuff with jojo...</p><p>if you dont bother helping anyone, your gonna find yourself alone, when you need help.</p></blockquote><p>I don't know where the thought came that I don't help others, because I do help others all the time any chance I get.  But seriously, I know people don't want to go to old gray zones etc since there isn't anything in it for them.  I go help people just to help but that doesn't seem to motivate others.</p></blockquote><p>If they are old and grey and no one wants to help you they are soloable. No quest drops should be limited by the trivial loot code.</p><p>Now if you are low level which for the epic quest means you are at least lvl 80 to start it. And you have nobody that wants to help you with your fabled epic weapon then you need to level to solo it. This is no different then any HQ or heroic quest line in this game.</p>

agnott
06-08-2010, 07:23 PM
<p>Be patient ... it's only a matter of time before you can go to a NPC and rent an entire raid party of NPC players.</p><p>It will cost you say ...2500 station cash for 4 hrs.</p>

Armawk
06-08-2010, 07:56 PM
<p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Now if you are low level which for the epic quest means you are at least lvl 80 to start it. And you have nobody that wants to help you with your fabled epic weapon then you need to level to solo it. This is no different then any HQ or heroic quest line in this game.</p></blockquote><p>There are parts of many fabled epic weapons that cannot realistically be soloed (except perhaps by well raid-geared toons). They are physically impossible to solo because the encounters are either too hard for a realistic solo character or designed to required groups. They are also usually not grey at 90.</p>

Galdien
06-09-2010, 01:03 AM
<p>I say entice them with chocolate. And if that doesn't work, throw in some cake.</p><p>And no, the cake is not a lie!</p><p><img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

MurFalad
06-09-2010, 06:05 AM
<p>My advice to players would be to join a guild and be active and socialable in it, join in when someone there asks for help, try and start a group yourself, give a shout out in 1-9, and be socialable in groups (talk, discuss things and don't just sit there staring at the ACT parse numbers while ripping aggro off the tank for the umpteenth time).Those are things I think work, the epic weapon quest is a group quest so at some point your going to need to group up with others in the game. </p><p>Just because it is no longer something that is done at the maximum level shouldn't mean its trivial, if they go that route then why bother with mentoring full stop since the game design is clearly going in a end level only counts direction.  High levels are encouraged by the game design here to help too since its a great source of AA XP, I've never failed to get help for example to kill a named within minutes (Runnyeye isn't the higest populated server, but it does have a good community).I think its a fine balance they need to maintain between soloability and content that encourages you to group up, making the epic weapon soloable for example here I believe would mean taking away another need to group up (plus the epic weapon isn't really required to progress if all you do is solo, although it is pretty cool to acquire).</p>

PeterJohn
06-09-2010, 08:01 AM
<p>To add my 2 cents:</p><p>I have found that getting help is much easier when you are 1) asking guildees, 2) dropping a flag where everyone will need to go, and 3) asking for small chuncks of help at a time.</p><p>Many people don't want to get stuck helping in grey zones for hours to complete an epic quest. So change your goal of completing your epic in one big marathon and just ask for specific help when you need it over a week or two. Then take a break or work on the solo parts of the quest in between the stuff that really requires help.</p>

Kari
06-09-2010, 08:41 AM
<p>If guildies offer to help at some unspecified future time, set a specific day and time for everyone to meet up. Don't expect your guild to immediately drop from  their groups to run and help, instead ask if anyone is avail in a couple hours or on next saturday. You should make sure that you know what you need to accomplish to complete that segment of the quest. Make it as easy as possible for your helpers to help you. I have helped a lot of guildies get their epics, but there were a few that I stopped helping because they would expect their helper to finish forming their group, reasearch their quest and tell them where to go and what to kill. Everyone else stopped helping them too and then they would complain about how no one would help them.</p><p>They way I got my epics was to be a member of a static group that all helped each other. We would set specific days to work on specific updates so people knew when to sign in. There were also a lot of friendly guildies that offered to help when part of the static group wasn't on. Some of the updates we ran into other groups on the same updates and when they had problems making the kill we would mix and match group members to come up with the strongest group.</p>

Rick777
06-09-2010, 09:29 AM
<p><cite>CoLD MeTaL wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>People don't want to go back to gray zones, etc.  or camp old content.  How do YOU entice them?</p></blockquote><p>Make them buyable with BG tokens.</p>

Draag
06-09-2010, 10:17 AM
<p>When I did my fabled and epic repercussions, I spent more time begging for help than actually doing the stuff i needed to do. (and I am in one of the largest guilds worldwide)</p><p>I got to the point to where I started paying at the end.  I paid 10pp for an empty zone.. etc.</p><p>Offer money.  That usually gets people moving.</p><p>I also found that by getting as far as I possibly could  helped.  For example, when I needed to kill the queen in *somezone*, I ran and FD as far as I could.  My plan was to sit there an wait till somebody came by... even if it took days.  Within a few hours another guild came by to kill the queen and I was able to tag along with them.</p><p>When I needed to kill Drusilla in Maidens Chamber, I went in with my necro and killed every mob I could, to where only named were left.. that is very enticing for people to come help... Nobody wants to clear the trash..   Sure, it took me a couple hours, but once done, It was much easier to get someone to pop in and help me kill the sisters.</p><p>SO...</p><p>1.  Do as much as you can possibly do on your own.</p><p>2.  Offer plat.</p>

Shatterr
06-09-2010, 01:01 PM
<p>I have the same concern as the OP.  Im new to EQ2(although I did try it a couple times in the past) and this is now my full time MMO.  Im leveling a wizard and enjoying the content while I learn the game but eventually I will reach the cap.  While I am not guilded atm I plan to raid later but most guilds seem to want geared players so it seems like a rock and a hard place.  You cant get into a raid guild without gear but you cant get the gear without a raid guild?  I play on AB, so hopefully there are some pug groups that do old content <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

Jesdyr
06-09-2010, 01:15 PM
<p><cite>Draagun wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>and I am in one of the largest guilds worldwide</p></blockquote><p>The "Largest guilds" are often no better than looking for a PUG. When your recruitment standards are "accept the invite" you dont get the best of people.</p>

Yimway
06-09-2010, 01:41 PM
<p>Solo it.</p><p>Pay for assistance.</p><p>Have more friends.</p><p>Depending on your skill, finances, and social fortitude, any one option might be more successful than the other.</p>

woolf2k
06-09-2010, 04:09 PM
<p>1. multibox</p><p>2. join a proper guild</p><p>3. PUG</p><p>4. help others & make friends & hopefully they'll reciprocate.</p>