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Vlahkmaak
06-04-2010, 11:49 PM
<p>Why does SOE encourage the practice of leeching?  It is bad enough FP is outnumbered 5-1 most times in CL/ANT but to have to deal with the mass swarm of greys taunting and running out of range or arrow pinking, mezzing, and rooting is just annoying. </p><p>If you are going to encourage 90's to PVP in CL and ANT then these zones should be unlimited PVP so we can kill the grey scrubs before their lvl 90 alts/ guildies show up to protect them.  Seriously - this is freaking annoying.</p><p>Please make CL/ANT unlimited PVP and/or carnage flag the entire zone.</p><p>Please fix the mechanics so that greys cannot land mezes or damge people ridiculous lvls above them - a freaking 47 illy mezzed me and a 15 taunted me off a 90 and ran off - yhea bow DA attk killed him but when you have several greys doing this next pvp/ previous pvp target gets cluttered and lag makes it near impossible to click target so one is forced to /tar frakingannoyingahhssgreyleacher to swat the flies away so one can get back to the task at hand. </p><p>Was the whole rant behind the Avatar fights - greys running in and charming targets they have no possibility of taking on their own in addition to mezzing from immunity not heard and fixed by SOE for pve.  Now fix PVP the same way.  Someone more than 10 lvls below their target should have a ZERO "THAC90" to steal a D&D term so to speak.  In fact just for being so freahking stupid they should recieve 500% max damage in return back on them. </p><p>Of course you could just put the towers in a lvl 90 zone to begin with.  If greys want to pvp with the 90's they should not have the ability to swarm a target engaged with proper pvp ranged targets for free updates.   Its a really pathetic practice by greys on EITHER side and should not be encouraged by SOE.</p>

Neskonlith
06-05-2010, 02:54 AM
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;">If they segregated the CL/Ant BeeGees by level ranges, then the grey leeches would be a non-issue.</span></p>

YasikoSetsu
06-05-2010, 03:16 AM
<p>From the MS paint studios of Yasikos, I present to you...</p><p><img src="http://i47.tinypic.com/ouup2d.jpg" width="772" height="423" /></p><p>The epic twinked alt writ finishing adventures of Penello the rat! Complete with appropriate combat art casting sequence, and chat dialogue.</p><p>...</p><p>God I have way too much time on my hands ._.</p>

Ralpmet
06-05-2010, 03:18 AM
<p>It's been an issue forever, a few months ago I asked if there was a legitimate reason why people who attacked others outside of their combat range weren't punished (carnage flagged) but never received a response.</p><p>Edit: I seriously can't comprehend why in ever aspect of this game there's a consequence for doing something wrong, but suddenly you log on a level 14 and if you can land a hit on a 90 you'll get an update. That's just not right, CARNAGE FLAG A PUNK!</p>

Alazarz
06-05-2010, 04:40 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why does SOE encourage the practice of leeching?  It is bad enough FP is outnumbered 5-1 most times in CL/ANT but to have to deal with the mass swarm of greys taunting and running out of range or arrow pinking, mezzing, and rooting is just annoying. </p><p>If you are going to encourage 90's to PVP in CL and ANT then these zones should be unlimited PVP so we can kill the grey scrubs before their lvl 90 alts/ guildies show up to protect them.  Seriously - this is freaking annoying.</p><p>Please make CL/ANT unlimited PVP and/or carnage flag the entire zone.</p><p>Please fix the mechanics so that greys cannot land mezes or damge people ridiculous lvls above them - a freaking 47 illy mezzed me and a 15 taunted me off a 90 and ran off - yhea bow DA attk killed him but when you have several greys doing this next pvp/ previous pvp target gets cluttered and lag makes it near impossible to click target so one is forced to /tar frakingannoyingahhssgreyleacher to swat the flies away so one can get back to the task at hand. </p><p>Was the whole rant behind the Avatar fights - greys running in and charming targets they have no possibility of taking on their own in addition to mezzing from immunity not heard and fixed by SOE for pve.  Now fix PVP the same way.  Someone more than 10 lvls below their target should have a ZERO "THAC90" to steal a D&D term so to speak.  In fact just for being so freahking stupid they should recieve 500% max damage in return back on them. </p><p>Of course you could just put the towers in a lvl 90 zone to begin with.  If greys want to pvp with the 90's they should not have the ability to swarm a target engaged with proper pvp ranged targets for free updates.   Its a really pathetic practice by greys on EITHER side and should not be encouraged by SOE.</p></blockquote><p>Sounds like you got owned by a lvl 15 imo . .and you are correct.. thats a rediculous amount of lvls to get pwnt rofl</p>

Vlahkmaak
06-05-2010, 05:14 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why does SOE encourage the practice of leeching?  It is bad enough FP is outnumbered 5-1 most times in CL/ANT but to have to deal with the mass swarm of greys taunting and running out of range or arrow pinking, mezzing, and rooting is just annoying. </p><p>If you are going to encourage 90's to PVP in CL and ANT then these zones should be unlimited PVP so we can kill the grey scrubs before their lvl 90 alts/ guildies show up to protect them.  Seriously - this is freaking annoying.</p><p>Please make CL/ANT unlimited PVP and/or carnage flag the entire zone.</p><p>Please fix the mechanics so that greys cannot land mezes or damge people ridiculous lvls above them - a freaking 47 illy mezzed me and a 15 taunted me off a 90 and ran off - yhea bow DA attk killed him but when you have several greys doing this next pvp/ previous pvp target gets cluttered and lag makes it near impossible to click target so one is forced to /tar frakingannoyingahhssgreyleacher to swat the flies away so one can get back to the task at hand. </p><p>Was the whole rant behind the Avatar fights - greys running in and charming targets they have no possibility of taking on their own in addition to mezzing from immunity not heard and fixed by SOE for pve.  Now fix PVP the same way.  Someone more than 10 lvls below their target should have a ZERO "THAC90" to steal a D&D term so to speak.  In fact just for being so freahking stupid they should recieve 500% max damage in return back on them. </p><p>Of course you could just put the towers in a lvl 90 zone to begin with.  If greys want to pvp with the 90's they should not have the ability to swarm a target engaged with proper pvp ranged targets for free updates.   Its a really pathetic practice by greys on EITHER side and should not be encouraged by SOE.</p></blockquote><p>Sounds like you got owned by a lvl 15 imo . .and you are correct.. thats a rediculous amount of lvls to get pwnt rofl</p></blockquote><p>Nice try: The fight occured Thursday night after WF crashed out yet again.  There was me, 90 guard, Wowzeer 90 defiler, Kinwedar 90 fury, Antone 90 conjy, Blackberri 90 inqy vs several even con Q, a few blue, and greens, and about 15-20 grey leechers.  The fight lasted long enough for me to complete 3 writs b4 calling in re-inforcements after the fury in my grp crashed out.  The fight was fun enough and there was no need for the massive amount of greys leeching.  Sounds to me like you were/are one of those leechers.</p>

Crismorn
06-05-2010, 05:24 AM
<p>Level ranges in a pvp game is pretty dumb</p>

max.power
06-05-2010, 07:39 AM
<p>I'd just like to have a "Target next within-pvp-range-player" hotkey. The biggest issue I have with the grey swarm is that most of the time you target an immune player.</p>

Naggasaki
06-05-2010, 08:22 AM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Level ranges in a pvp game is pretty dumb</p></blockquote><p>Almost as dumb as a Blubie posting in the PvP forum all the time.</p><p>But seriously, the number of grays in the area is absolutely infuriating when your trying to tank for a group. Nevermind 'click' targeting. The lag makes it almost impossible to select your desired target that way. And using 'target previous/next hostile PvP' just keeps zapping over to grays swarming in the area. And the ones that DO engage you are running off at sprint speed while you're engaged with players your own level. This is just the most annoying portion of warfields for me.</p>

Alazarz
06-05-2010, 10:16 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why does SOE encourage the practice of leeching?  It is bad enough FP is outnumbered 5-1 most times in CL/ANT but to have to deal with the mass swarm of greys taunting and running out of range or arrow pinking, mezzing, and rooting is just annoying. </p><p>If you are going to encourage 90's to PVP in CL and ANT then these zones should be unlimited PVP so we can kill the grey scrubs before their lvl 90 alts/ guildies show up to protect them.  Seriously - this is freaking annoying.</p><p>Please make CL/ANT unlimited PVP and/or carnage flag the entire zone.</p><p>Please fix the mechanics so that greys cannot land mezes or damge people ridiculous lvls above them - a freaking 47 illy mezzed me and a 15 taunted me off a 90 and ran off - yhea bow DA attk killed him but when you have several greys doing this next pvp/ previous pvp target gets cluttered and lag makes it near impossible to click target so one is forced to /tar frakingannoyingahhssgreyleacher to swat the flies away so one can get back to the task at hand. </p><p>Was the whole rant behind the Avatar fights - greys running in and charming targets they have no possibility of taking on their own in addition to mezzing from immunity not heard and fixed by SOE for pve.  Now fix PVP the same way.  Someone more than 10 lvls below their target should have a ZERO "THAC90" to steal a D&D term so to speak.  In fact just for being so freahking stupid they should recieve 500% max damage in return back on them. </p><p>Of course you could just put the towers in a lvl 90 zone to begin with.  If greys want to pvp with the 90's they should not have the ability to swarm a target engaged with proper pvp ranged targets for free updates.   Its a really pathetic practice by greys on EITHER side and should not be encouraged by SOE.</p></blockquote><p>Sounds like you got owned by a lvl 15 imo . .and you are correct.. thats a rediculous amount of lvls to get pwnt rofl</p></blockquote><p>Nice try: The fight occured Thursday night after WF crashed out yet again.  There was me, 90 guard, Wowzeer 90 defiler, Kinwedar 90 fury, Antone 90 conjy, Blackberri 90 inqy vs several even con Q, a few blue, and greens, and about 15-20 grey leechers.  The fight lasted long enough for me to complete 3 writs b4 calling in re-inforcements after the fury in my grp crashed out.  The fight was fun enough and there was no need for the massive amount of greys leeching.  Sounds to me like you were/are one of those leechers.</p></blockquote><p>Nah, im not one of the scummy leechers.. leeching bothers me too.. but.. to get on the forums and complain thata  lvl 15 basically ruined your fight just sounded to me like you got pwnt by a lvl 15.. just sayin. dont be bitter. iam sure lots of others on the fp side get pwnt by toons 75 lvls lower.. i have a lvl 27 brigand, mabey we could duel</p>

Harbringer Doom
06-05-2010, 10:32 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite></cite>Nah, im not one of the scummy leechers.. leeching bothers me too.. but.. to get on the forums and complain thata  lvl 15 basically ruined your fight just sounded to me like you got pwnt by a lvl 15.. just sayin. dont be bitter. iam sure lots of others on the fp side get pwnt by toons 75 lvls lower.. i have a lvl 27 brigand, mabey we could duel</p></blockquote><p>It's not often you see someone incapable of understanding an opinion as thoroughly as this.</p><p>We are all dumber for having read your posts.</p>

Alazarz
06-05-2010, 12:03 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite></cite>Nah, im not one of the scummy leechers.. leeching bothers me too.. but.. to get on the forums and complain thata  lvl 15 basically ruined your fight just sounded to me like you got pwnt by a lvl 15.. just sayin. dont be bitter. iam sure lots of others on the fp side get pwnt by toons 75 lvls lower.. i have a lvl 27 brigand, mabey we could duel</p></blockquote><p>It's not often you see someone incapable of understanding an opinion as thoroughly as this.</p><p>We are all dumber for having read your posts.</p></blockquote><p>Its not often you see someone incapable of understanding when someone is joking and trying to geta  rise out of someone becasue they are QQing on the forums about the OLDEST problem that eq2 has had.. ya i understand the authors opinion just fine.. he dosent like the greys leeching and not being able to squish them out right until they engage first BLA BLA BLA ..</p><p>how about we start another "grey leech" thread instead of using one of the thousand that are already out there to express his feelings on the matter.. just sayin, the complaint is a million years old and theres a ton of threads about this already..</p><p>so.. in short.. YES i understand his opinion and how could YOU possibly get any dumber than you already are? You obviously couldnt even see i was joking.. hence the duel i offered the 90 with my 27 brigand? I fail to see how you could possible get anymore stupid.</p>

Taldier
06-05-2010, 02:10 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite></cite>Nah, im not one of the scummy leechers.. leeching bothers me too.. but.. to get on the forums and complain thata  lvl 15 basically ruined your fight just sounded to me like you got pwnt by a lvl 15.. just sayin. dont be bitter. iam sure lots of others on the fp side get pwnt by toons 75 lvls lower.. i have a lvl 27 brigand, mabey we could duel</p></blockquote><p>It's not often you see someone incapable of understanding an opinion as thoroughly as this.</p><p>We are all dumber for having read your posts.</p></blockquote><p>Its not often you see someone incapable of understanding when someone is joking and trying to geta  rise out of someone becasue they are QQing on the forums about the OLDEST problem that eq2 has had.. ya i understand the authors opinion just fine.. he dosent like the greys leeching and not being able to squish them out right until they engage first BLA BLA BLA ..</p><p>how about we start another "grey leech" thread instead of using one of the thousand that are already out there to express his feelings on the matter.. just sayin, the complaint is a million years old and theres a ton of threads about this already..</p><p>so.. in short.. YES i understand his opinion and how could YOU possibly get any dumber than you already are? You obviously couldnt even see i was joking.. hence the duel i offered the 90 with my 27 brigand? I fail to see how you could possible get anymore stupid.</p></blockquote><p>The warfields make the grey leech issue even more drastic than it has been before because soe is actually encouraging players to exploit the protection provided by lvl ranges by placing them in lowbie zones and encouraging lowbies to participate in them.  When one faction already outnumbers the other 5:1 it is somewhat ridiculous to require even more players at every single level range all in the same zone just to fight back against the 50 immune greys q's.  Seperate out the tiers into different warfields and then the very vocal lowbie pvp lobby can fight the other 20 people in each of their tiers.  Any zone that is set up as an endgame pvp zone should not have a level range.</p><p>Not sure which thousands of threads you are refering to which you can post in without having them locked for necroing tbh.</p><p>You cant expect people to determine sarcasm based on your post.  I have met numerous players who actually are as stupid as you were claiming to be.  Once you accept that a substantial number of people online in fact are that stupid, it becomes very reasonable to accept that one more person trolling on the forums is also that stupid.  You did just admit to trolling...which kind of defeats the purpose of being a troll...</p>

baldwinboy3
06-05-2010, 03:45 PM
<p>LAG in CL and ANT and Greys:</p><p>fix is simple. when WF's pop off every two hours make two instances that have no player amount restirctions just have one for lvl60-90 and another for lvl 1-59 and this would help. Also would make level ranges closer together and would not be as much grey leeching. Even could have 3 zones for wf, 1-30, 31-59, 60-90 and make the zone FFA for those zones so no greys will leech or make greys get carniaged flag when attacking a red.</p><p>I really think this could help the current problems.</p>

Harbringer Doom
06-05-2010, 05:59 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite></cite>Nah, im not one of the scummy leechers.. leeching bothers me too.. but.. to get on the forums and complain thata  lvl 15 basically ruined your fight just sounded to me like you got pwnt by a lvl 15.. just sayin. dont be bitter. iam sure lots of others on the fp side get pwnt by toons 75 lvls lower.. i have a lvl 27 brigand, mabey we could duel</p></blockquote><p>It's not often you see someone incapable of understanding an opinion as thoroughly as this.</p><p>We are all dumber for having read your posts.</p></blockquote><p>Its not often you see someone incapable of understanding when someone is joking and trying to geta  rise out of someone becasue they are QQing on the forums about the OLDEST problem that eq2 has had.. ya i understand the authors opinion just fine.. he dosent like the greys leeching and not being able to squish them out right until they engage first BLA BLA BLA ..</p><p>how about we start another "grey leech" thread instead of using one of the thousand that are already out there to express his feelings on the matter.. just sayin, the complaint is a million years old and theres a ton of threads about this already..</p><p>so.. in short.. YES i understand his opinion and how could YOU possibly get any dumber than you already are? You obviously couldnt even see i was joking.. hence the duel i offered the 90 with my 27 brigand? I fail to see how you could possible get anymore stupid.</p></blockquote><p>Another post, aaaaaaaand we're all dumber again.</p><p>Please make it stop.</p>

Portbott
06-05-2010, 06:19 PM
<p><cite>baldwinboy3 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>LAG in CL and ANT and Greys:</p><p>fix is simple. when WF's pop off every two hours make two instances that have no player amount restirctions just have one for lvl60-90 and another for lvl 1-59 and this would help. Also would make level ranges closer together and would not be as much grey leeching. Even could have 3 zones for wf, 1-30, 31-59, 60-90 and make the zone FFA for those zones so no greys will leech or make greys get carniaged flag when attacking a red.</p><p>I really think this could help the current problems.</p></blockquote><p>We get it. They lag. You can stop including that in every single of your posts.</p>

Ilovecows
06-05-2010, 10:15 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why does SOE encourage the practice of leeching?  It is bad enough FP is outnumbered 5-1 most times in CL/ANT but to have to deal with the mass swarm of greys taunting and running out of range or arrow pinking, mezzing, and rooting is just annoying. </p><p>If you are going to encourage 90's to PVP in CL and ANT then these zones should be unlimited PVP so we can kill the grey scrubs before their lvl 90 alts/ guildies show up to protect them.  Seriously - this is freaking annoying.</p><p>Please make CL/ANT unlimited PVP and/or carnage flag the entire zone.</p><p>Please fix the mechanics so that greys cannot land mezes or damge people ridiculous lvls above them - a freaking 47 illy mezzed me and a 15 taunted me off a 90 and ran off - yhea bow DA attk killed him but when you have several greys doing this next pvp/ previous pvp target gets cluttered and lag makes it near impossible to click target so one is forced to /tar frakingannoyingahhssgreyleacher to swat the flies away so one can get back to the task at hand. </p><p>Was the whole rant behind the Avatar fights - greys running in and charming targets they have no possibility of taking on their own in addition to mezzing from immunity not heard and fixed by SOE for pve.  Now fix PVP the same way.  Someone more than 10 lvls below their target should have a ZERO "THAC90" to steal a D&D term so to speak.  In fact just for being so freahking stupid they should recieve 500% max damage in return back on them. </p><p>Of course you could just put the towers in a lvl 90 zone to begin with.  If greys want to pvp with the 90's they should not have the ability to swarm a target engaged with proper pvp ranged targets for free updates.   Its a really pathetic practice by greys on EITHER side and should not be encouraged by SOE.</p></blockquote><p>You do realize, this game isn't completely centered around you.  People that aren't level 80-90 should be allowed to pvp if they want to.  NOT EVERY SINGLE PLAYER WANTS THE SAME THING AS YOU.  I personally like to play lower Tiers and don't think it is fair that someone like you wants to say that i can't do what i want to.  There should be no penalty for attacking reds, because i love to attack reds.  if i can't do that, that is dumb.  it doesn't make sence either that i will run into CL and get attacked by 4+ groups of 90s.  the system in place now is the best one there.  if a gray attacks you, kill it, then attack the people in your level range.  you can click on their character you don't have to use the next/previous pvp target button.</p>

Notsovilepriest
06-05-2010, 10:18 PM
<p>Make Greys Attacking Reds Carnage Flag, Make Carnage Flag unremovable by anything not even death.</p>

baldwinboy3
06-05-2010, 10:29 PM
<p>Make Greys Attacking Reds Carnage Flag, Make Carnage Flag unremovable by anything but death.</p><p>I agree with the above statement and please fix the lag portbot</p>

YasikoSetsu
06-05-2010, 10:44 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Make Greys Attacking Reds Carnage Flag, Make Carnage Flag unremovable by anything not even death.</p></blockquote><p>Sounds reasonable to me, <strong>AS LONG AS</strong> a next pvp target that works only for your conned level range, is added. I can't count how many reds I've accidentally switched to and plinked with an arrow while fighting groups of t4-5. Being carnaged for that would be pretty lamecake.</p>

Taldier
06-05-2010, 10:46 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why does SOE encourage the practice of leeching?  It is bad enough FP is outnumbered 5-1 most times in CL/ANT but to have to deal with the mass swarm of greys taunting and running out of range or arrow pinking, mezzing, and rooting is just annoying. </p><p>If you are going to encourage 90's to PVP in CL and ANT then these zones should be unlimited PVP so we can kill the grey scrubs before their lvl 90 alts/ guildies show up to protect them.  Seriously - this is freaking annoying.</p><p>Please make CL/ANT unlimited PVP and/or carnage flag the entire zone.</p><p>Please fix the mechanics so that greys cannot land mezes or damge people ridiculous lvls above them - a freaking 47 illy mezzed me and a 15 taunted me off a 90 and ran off - yhea bow DA attk killed him but when you have several greys doing this next pvp/ previous pvp target gets cluttered and lag makes it near impossible to click target so one is forced to /tar frakingannoyingahhssgreyleacher to swat the flies away so one can get back to the task at hand. </p><p>Was the whole rant behind the Avatar fights - greys running in and charming targets they have no possibility of taking on their own in addition to mezzing from immunity not heard and fixed by SOE for pve.  Now fix PVP the same way.  Someone more than 10 lvls below their target should have a ZERO "THAC90" to steal a D&D term so to speak.  In fact just for being so freahking stupid they should recieve 500% max damage in return back on them. </p><p>Of course you could just put the towers in a lvl 90 zone to begin with.  If greys want to pvp with the 90's they should not have the ability to swarm a target engaged with proper pvp ranged targets for free updates.   Its a really pathetic practice by greys on EITHER side and should not be encouraged by SOE.</p></blockquote><p>You do realize, this game isn't completely centered around you.  People that aren't level 80-90 should be allowed to pvp if they want to.  NOT EVERY SINGLE PLAYER WANTS THE SAME THING AS YOU.  I personally like to play lower Tiers and don't think it is fair that someone like you wants to say that i can't do what i want to.  There should be no penalty for attacking reds, because i love to attack reds.  if i can't do that, that is dumb.  it doesn't make sence either that i will run into CL and get attacked by 4+ groups of 90s.  the system in place now is the best one there.  if a gray attacks you, kill it, then attack the people in your level range.  <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">you can click on their character you don't have to use the next/previous pvp target button.</span></strong></p></blockquote><p>The highlighted sentence invalidated anything you have to say tbh.  No, you cant click on a moving target in the middle of a raid v raid fight while 20 greys jump around in front of you and both the enemy and random greys in the swarm are both taunting and detaunting you.</p><p>With the lag, its lucky enough if the game actually lets you hit someone youve managed to target while standing on top of them.</p><p>There is no problem with greys being able to attack reds, and there is no problem with level ranges existing in zone intended for lower level players.</p><p>The problem is level ranges existing in zones with large scale endgame pvp.</p><p>There is a reason that every single xpac, the new endgame zones are set with an unlimited pvp range...this is that reason.</p><p>The placement of endgame content into lowbie zones with the avatars created enough of a debacle, this is 100x worse.</p>

Naggasaki
06-05-2010, 10:47 PM
<p>Don't get me wrong, let them play in the zone for their level ranges. Live and let Die and all. Where I take issue is that most often than not, there is a swarm of grays UNDER me, and most haven't engaged me *not that I take the time to find out* The targeting is just fine when you are dealing with your own level range. It's when there's 10 grays closer to you than the 90's you're fighting.</p>

skylancer
06-05-2010, 10:50 PM
<p>They cant make ant/cl unlimited, to many low lvl quests there. It was an absurd idea to put wf's in these zones in the first place.</p><p>WF's need to be in a seperate zone all its own by tiers, just use the x4 BG map all the towers and guards same lvl by tier. first freeps defend, then q's defend, every 2 hrs.</p><p>SOE really needs to drop warfields till they implement this.</p><p>GIVE UP ON CL/ANT WARFIELDS, ITLL NEVER WORK.</p>

skylancer
06-05-2010, 10:55 PM
<p>aND ONCE AGAIN FOR THE CHEAP SEATS, please bring back an unlimited PVP zone, every zone in the game is now 10 lvls, why was ths implemented in the first place.</p>

Eboncross
06-06-2010, 02:00 AM
<p>I'd like to see 80's be green to a 90 and not grey. It's kinda dumb that you can attack an 80 but cant get writ credit since they are grey.</p><p>Also make the level range go both ways. You can attack 10 below and above and thats it.</p><p>PS  I wish everybody would get on thier 90's if they have em. Stop the grey maddness!!!</p>

Vlahkmaak
06-06-2010, 05:41 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why does SOE encourage the practice of leeching?  It is bad enough FP is outnumbered 5-1 most times in CL/ANT but to have to deal with the mass swarm of greys taunting and running out of range or arrow pinking, mezzing, and rooting is just annoying. </p><p>If you are going to encourage 90's to PVP in CL and ANT then these zones should be unlimited PVP so we can kill the grey scrubs before their lvl 90 alts/ guildies show up to protect them.  Seriously - this is freaking annoying.</p><p>Please make CL/ANT unlimited PVP and/or carnage flag the entire zone.</p><p>Please fix the mechanics so that greys cannot land mezes or damge people ridiculous lvls above them - a freaking 47 illy mezzed me and a 15 taunted me off a 90 and ran off - yhea bow DA attk killed him but when you have several greys doing this next pvp/ previous pvp target gets cluttered and lag makes it near impossible to click target so one is forced to /tar frakingannoyingahhssgreyleacher to swat the flies away so one can get back to the task at hand. </p><p>Was the whole rant behind the Avatar fights - greys running in and charming targets they have no possibility of taking on their own in addition to mezzing from immunity not heard and fixed by SOE for pve.  Now fix PVP the same way.  Someone more than 10 lvls below their target should have a ZERO "THAC90" to steal a D&D term so to speak.  In fact just for being so freahking stupid they should recieve 500% max damage in return back on them. </p><p>Of course you could just put the towers in a lvl 90 zone to begin with.  If greys want to pvp with the 90's they should not have the ability to swarm a target engaged with proper pvp ranged targets for free updates.   Its a really pathetic practice by greys on EITHER side and should not be encouraged by SOE.</p></blockquote><p>You do realize, this game isn't completely centered around you.  People that aren't level 80-90 should be allowed to pvp if they want to.  NOT EVERY SINGLE PLAYER WANTS THE SAME THING AS YOU.  I personally like to play lower Tiers and don't think it is fair that someone like you wants to say that i can't do what i want to.  There should be no penalty for attacking reds, because i love to attack reds.  if i can't do that, that is dumb.  it doesn't make sence either that i will run into CL and get attacked by 4+ groups of 90s.  the system in place now is the best one there.  if a gray attacks you, kill it, then attack the people in your level range.  you can click on their character you don't have to use the next/previous pvp target button.</p></blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><strong>MEMO:  The Game centers around me.</strong>   </span></p><p>We don't care that you like to play lower level tier toons.  I never said you should not play lower lvl toons.  What we care about (notice FP and Q 90 are frustrated with grey scrubs on each side exploiting zone mechanics) is the mass of greys 1/2 of which are doing nothing but messing up pvp targeting by jumping around in the middle of a fight and/or taunting and running off.  That is not attacking a red - that is exploiting a mechanic.  You know at lvl 15, 47, and even 80 your not going to beat a decently geared lvl 90 toon.  At these lvls, especially the lower ones, you are EXPLOITING a faulty game mechanic on purpose to get a free token you did not earn.</p><p>If you like to attack reds then you should support the idea of open zone pvp.  The majority of 90's are not gonna run around killing greys.  We get nothing out of it and find it a waste of our time.  The only time we are going to engage you is when you choose to interfere in proper tier pvp.  The reality though is that you only like to attack a red when you have a wall of 90's to hide behind.  Players like you are no different than the scrubs that used to interfere at the BB duels by plinking arrows into people for fame.</p><p>Clearly this post does not apply to the few greys which might have in advertently hit a red.  We are focused on the greater issue:  Why force end game pvp content into a lvl restricted zone?   The event should be set up around tiers - this idea which has been discussed already here and in other posts woud prob go far to reducing over all game lag.  Setting up a tier system of War Fileds would allow those of you that like to play on lower level toons have a place to play with your kind and those of us that prefer to play at lvl 90 have a place to play with our kind.  </p><p>The current instancing of CL/ANT just allows he who floods the zone first gets free tokens.  Again - the reward is given for no effort becuase SOE servers cannot handle the event.  If SOE cannot upgrade or make the event playable on the current hardware then they should modify the event across several zones.</p><p>Recap:</p><p>Carnage flag greys and eq2 centers around me.</p>

max.power
06-06-2010, 06:57 AM
<p>Carnage flagging greys that attack reds is the way to go I think.</p>

Naggasaki
06-06-2010, 07:01 AM
<p>Come to think of it, that would make it easier wouldn't it? I mean, they already have a 'aggro' flag...every last one of em. But 90's aren't aggro to them until attacked. It would probably ease some of the confusion on the field of war when your cycling through.</p><p>But to be fair, having 6-8 gray's under you while figting *even if they were carnage flagged* would still be very irritating. I'm not going to waste my time killing something that, in and of itself, can't kill me when I've got Weaklings in my face tbh.</p>

TheVekk
06-07-2010, 11:06 AM
<p><cite>YasikoSetsuna wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>From the MS paint studios of Yasikos, I present to you...</p><p><img src="http://i47.tinypic.com/ouup2d.jpg" width="772" height="423" /></p><p>The epic twinked alt writ finishing adventures of Penello the rat! Complete with appropriate combat art casting sequence, and chat dialogue.</p><p>...</p><p>God I have way too much time on my hands ._.</p></blockquote><p>Lulz</p>

Vishiimtar
06-07-2010, 12:10 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why does SOE encourage the practice of leeching?  It is bad enough FP is outnumbered 5-1 most times in CL/ANT but to have to deal with the mass swarm of greys taunting and running out of range or arrow pinking, mezzing, and rooting is just annoying. </p><p>If you are going to encourage 90's to PVP in CL and ANT then these zones should be unlimited PVP so we can kill the grey scrubs before their lvl 90 alts/ guildies show up to protect them.  Seriously - this is freaking annoying.</p><p>Please make CL/ANT unlimited PVP and/or carnage flag the entire zone.</p><p>Please fix the mechanics so that greys cannot land mezes or damge people ridiculous lvls above them - a freaking 47 illy mezzed me and a 15 taunted me off a 90 and ran off - yhea bow DA attk killed him but when you have several greys doing this next pvp/ previous pvp target gets cluttered and lag makes it near impossible to click target so one is forced to /tar frakingannoyingahhssgreyleacher to swat the flies away so one can get back to the task at hand. </p><p>Was the whole rant behind the Avatar fights - greys running in and charming targets they have no possibility of taking on their own in addition to mezzing from immunity not heard and fixed by SOE for pve.  Now fix PVP the same way.  Someone more than 10 lvls below their target should have a ZERO "THAC90" to steal a D&D term so to speak.  In fact just for being so freahking stupid they should recieve 500% max damage in return back on them. </p><p>Of course you could just put the towers in a lvl 90 zone to begin with.  If greys want to pvp with the 90's they should not have the ability to swarm a target engaged with proper pvp ranged targets for free updates.   Its a really pathetic practice by greys on EITHER side and should not be encouraged by SOE.</p></blockquote><p>You do realize, this game isn't completely centered around you.  People that aren't level 80-90 should be allowed to pvp if they want to.  NOT EVERY SINGLE PLAYER WANTS THE SAME THING AS YOU.  I personally like to play lower Tiers and don't think it is fair that someone like you wants to say that i can't do what i want to.  There should be no penalty for attacking reds, because i love to attack reds.  if i can't do that, that is dumb.  it doesn't make sence either that i will run into CL and get attacked by 4+ groups of 90s.  the system in place now is the best one there.  if a gray attacks you, kill it, then attack the people in your level range.  you can click on their character you don't have to use the next/previous pvp target button.</p></blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><strong>MEMO:  The Game centers around me.</strong>   </span></p><p>We don't care that you like to play lower level tier toons.  I never said you should not play lower lvl toons.  What we care about (notice FP and Q 90 are frustrated with grey scrubs on each side exploiting zone mechanics) is the mass of greys 1/2 of which are doing nothing but messing up pvp targeting by jumping around in the middle of a fight and/or taunting and running off.  That is not attacking a red - that is exploiting a mechanic.  You know at lvl 15, 47, and even 80 your not going to beat a decently geared lvl 90 toon.  At these lvls, especially the lower ones, you are EXPLOITING a faulty game mechanic on purpose to get a free token you did not earn.</p><p>If you like to attack reds then you should support the idea of open zone pvp.  The majority of 90's are not gonna run around killing greys.  We get nothing out of it and find it a waste of our time.  The only time we are going to engage you is when you choose to interfere in proper tier pvp.  The reality though is that you only like to attack a red when you have a wall of 90's to hide behind.  Players like you are no different than the scrubs that used to interfere at the BB duels by plinking arrows into people for fame.</p><p>Clearly this post does not apply to the few greys which might have in advertently hit a red.  We are focused on the greater issue:  Why force end game pvp content into a lvl restricted zone?   The event should be set up around tiers - this idea which has been discussed already here and in other posts woud prob go far to reducing over all game lag.  Setting up a tier system of War Fileds would allow those of you that like to play on lower level toons have a place to play with your kind and those of us that prefer to play at lvl 90 have a place to play with our kind.  </p><p>The current instancing of CL/ANT just allows he who floods the zone first gets free tokens.  Again - the reward is given for no effort becuase SOE servers cannot handle the event.  If SOE cannot upgrade or make the event playable on the current hardware then they should modify the event across several zones.</p><p>Recap:</p><p>Carnage flag greys and eq2 centers around me.</p></blockquote><p>We don't care that you think eq2 centers around you. No one is forcing you to pvp in CL/Ant.</p><p>And the majourity of the 90s would chase down greys if cl / ant would become an unlimited zone.</p>

Taldier
06-07-2010, 01:55 PM
<p><cite>Vishiimtar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>We don't care that you think eq2 centers around you. No one is forcing you to pvp in CL/Ant.</p><p>And the majourity of the 90s would chase down greys if cl / ant would become an unlimited zone.</p></blockquote><p>Tbh I actually doubt that.  I've seen greys all the time in unlimited range zones and most people just dont bother them.  I'll admit I've occasionally chased one down to mez or fear them for kicks but why bother killing them?  Yeah some people will go out of their way to kill a grey, but the vast majority arent going to bother unless they run right up to 90 or try to interfere.</p><p>Dunno, maybe q side is different but most freeps I know have more interesting things to do than hunt down greys.</p><p>And yeah, soe is forcing us to pvp in cl and ant seeing as theyve killed pvp everywhere else.</p><p>I mean I could run around "looking for pvp" in other zones.  But if I do that for a couple hours and dont actually fight anyone you cant exactly call it "pvp".</p>

AziBam
06-07-2010, 02:27 PM
<p>I'm going to ask a noob question or two since the PVP server rules are still not entirely clear to me.  If a 20 (w/e) attacks a 90, the 20 can then be attacked back?  If so, does the 90 get a kill update?  Again, if so, that would seem to be risk enough over a grey attacking a high level opponent.</p><p>I'm just going to throw something else out here.  How about allowing blue AEs to truly hit everything in their range regardless of player level (just during the WF or maybe in Ant/CL in general).  No kill updates/infamy, etc. for the 90 but at least it might keep the low levels (like me) out from under foot.  Honestly, I don't think that would be unreasonable or unfair.  No direct targeting mind you unless the low level attacked first.  /shrug</p>

Taldier
06-07-2010, 03:25 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm going to ask a noob question or two since the PVP server rules are still not entirely clear to me.  If a 20 (w/e) attacks a 90, the 20 can then be attacked back?  If so, does the 90 get a kill update?  Again, if so, that would seem to be risk enough over a grey attacking a high level opponent.</p><p>I'm just going to throw something else out here.  How about allowing blue AEs to truly hit everything in their range regardless of player level (just during the WF or maybe in Ant/CL in general).  No kill updates/infamy, etc. for the 90 but at least it might keep the low levels (like me) out from under foot.  Honestly, I don't think that would be unreasonable or unfair.  No direct targeting mind you unless the low level attacked first.  /shrug</p></blockquote><p>If a lvl 20 attacks a 90, they can be hit by that specific 90 until they drop combat.  The 90 gains nothing, the 20 loses nothing.</p><p>If the lvl 20 has hit the 90 with a detaunt and ran back into the crowd of 50 other players, or the 90 is taunted by one of the other 50 players then nothing happens to the 20.  Additionally, it will now take the 90 several seconds to reacquire a target which they are actually allowed to hit.</p><p>Theres really no effective difference between blues and direct targetting since blue aoes from a number of classes would still be sufficient to grief grey players if someone actually wanted to.</p><p>Im just not seeing this massive number of imaginary players waiting to sadistically torment lowbies.  Just keep the greys from interfereing in our pvp with their immune swarm or move the warfields somewhere with an unlimited lvl range.</p>

Notsovilepriest
06-07-2010, 03:41 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm going to ask a noob question or two since the PVP server rules are still not entirely clear to me.  If a 20 (w/e) attacks a 90, the 20 can then be attacked back?  If so, does the 90 get a kill update?  Again, if so, that would seem to be risk enough over a grey attacking a high level opponent.</p><p>I'm just going to throw something else out here.  How about allowing blue AEs to truly hit everything in their range regardless of player level (just during the WF or maybe in Ant/CL in general).  No kill updates/infamy, etc. for the 90 but at least it might keep the low levels (like me) out from under foot.  Honestly, I don't think that would be unreasonable or unfair.  No direct targeting mind you unless the low level attacked first.  /shrug</p></blockquote><p>If a lvl 20 attacks a 90, they can be hit by that specific 90 until they drop combat.  The 90 gains nothing, the 20 loses nothing.</p><p>If the lvl 20 has hit the 90 with a detaunt and ran back into the crowd of 50 other players, or the 90 is taunted by one of the other 50 players then nothing happens to the 20.  Additionally, it will now take the 90 several seconds to reacquire a target which they are actually allowed to hit.</p><p>Theres really no effective difference between blues and direct targetting since blue aoes from a number of classes would still be sufficient to grief grey players if someone actually wanted to.</p><p>Im just not seeing this massive number of imaginary players waiting to sadistically torment lowbies.  Just keep the greys from interfereing in our pvp with their immune swarm or move the warfields somewhere with an unlimited lvl range.</p></blockquote><p>I kill any grey I see, Purely for the fact, a lot of them get irritated and rage, which endlessly amuses me.</p>

Taldier
06-07-2010, 04:07 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm going to ask a noob question or two since the PVP server rules are still not entirely clear to me.  If a 20 (w/e) attacks a 90, the 20 can then be attacked back?  If so, does the 90 get a kill update?  Again, if so, that would seem to be risk enough over a grey attacking a high level opponent.</p><p>I'm just going to throw something else out here.  How about allowing blue AEs to truly hit everything in their range regardless of player level (just during the WF or maybe in Ant/CL in general).  No kill updates/infamy, etc. for the 90 but at least it might keep the low levels (like me) out from under foot.  Honestly, I don't think that would be unreasonable or unfair.  No direct targeting mind you unless the low level attacked first.  /shrug</p></blockquote><p>If a lvl 20 attacks a 90, they can be hit by that specific 90 until they drop combat.  The 90 gains nothing, the 20 loses nothing.</p><p>If the lvl 20 has hit the 90 with a detaunt and ran back into the crowd of 50 other players, or the 90 is taunted by one of the other 50 players then nothing happens to the 20.  Additionally, it will now take the 90 several seconds to reacquire a target which they are actually allowed to hit.</p><p>Theres really no effective difference between blues and direct targetting since blue aoes from a number of classes would still be sufficient to grief grey players if someone actually wanted to.</p><p>Im just not seeing this massive number of imaginary players waiting to sadistically torment lowbies.  Just keep the greys from interfereing in our pvp with their immune swarm or move the warfields somewhere with an unlimited lvl range.</p></blockquote><p>I kill any grey I see, Purely for the fact, a lot of them get irritated and rage, which endlessly amuses me.</p></blockquote><p>lulz</p><p>so..um...aside from the obvious exception...my point still stands</p>

AziBam
06-07-2010, 04:12 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm going to ask a noob question or two since the PVP server rules are still not entirely clear to me.  If a 20 (w/e) attacks a 90, the 20 can then be attacked back?  If so, does the 90 get a kill update?  Again, if so, that would seem to be risk enough over a grey attacking a high level opponent.</p><p>I'm just going to throw something else out here.  How about allowing blue AEs to truly hit everything in their range regardless of player level (just during the WF or maybe in Ant/CL in general).  No kill updates/infamy, etc. for the 90 but at least it might keep the low levels (like me) out from under foot.  Honestly, I don't think that would be unreasonable or unfair.  No direct targeting mind you unless the low level attacked first.  /shrug</p></blockquote><p>If a lvl 20 attacks a 90, they can be hit by that specific 90 until they drop combat.  The 90 gains nothing, the 20 loses nothing.</p><p>If the lvl 20 has hit the 90 with a detaunt and ran back into the crowd of 50 other players, or the 90 is taunted by one of the other 50 players then nothing happens to the 20.  Additionally, it will now take the 90 several seconds to reacquire a target which they are actually allowed to hit.</p><p>Theres really no effective difference between blues and direct targetting since blue aoes from a number of classes would still be sufficient to grief grey players if someone actually wanted to.</p><p>Im just not seeing this massive number of imaginary players waiting to sadistically torment lowbies.  Just keep the greys from interfereing in our pvp with their immune swarm or move the warfields somewhere with an unlimited lvl range.</p></blockquote><p>I kill any grey I see, Purely for the fact, a lot of them get irritated and rage, which endlessly amuses me.</p></blockquote><p>lulz</p><p>so..um...aside from the obvious exception...my point still stands</p></blockquote><p>Hah.  Well, thanks for the info Taldier.</p><p>Btw, I blame Ssofa.</p>

Alazarz
06-07-2010, 07:13 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite></cite>Nah, im not one of the scummy leechers.. leeching bothers me too.. but.. to get on the forums and complain thata  lvl 15 basically ruined your fight just sounded to me like you got pwnt by a lvl 15.. just sayin. dont be bitter. iam sure lots of others on the fp side get pwnt by toons 75 lvls lower.. i have a lvl 27 brigand, mabey we could duel</p></blockquote><p>It's not often you see someone incapable of understanding an opinion as thoroughly as this.</p><p>We are all dumber for having read your posts.</p></blockquote><p>Its not often you see someone incapable of understanding when someone is joking and trying to geta  rise out of someone becasue they are QQing on the forums about the OLDEST problem that eq2 has had.. ya i understand the authors opinion just fine.. he dosent like the greys leeching and not being able to squish them out right until they engage first BLA BLA BLA ..</p><p>how about we start another "grey leech" thread instead of using one of the thousand that are already out there to express his feelings on the matter.. just sayin, the complaint is a million years old and theres a ton of threads about this already..</p><p>so.. in short.. YES i understand his opinion and how could YOU possibly get any dumber than you already are? You obviously couldnt even see i was joking.. hence the duel i offered the 90 with my 27 brigand? I fail to see how you could possible get anymore stupid.</p></blockquote><p>Another post, aaaaaaaand we're all dumber again.</p><p>Please make it stop.</p></blockquote><p>Man.. you have a weak mind then i guess, to let a trolled post make you dumber.. errr, i better not make this reply any longer.. you may go brain dead</p>

Alazarz
06-07-2010, 07:16 PM
<p><cite>TheVekk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>YasikoSetsuna wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>From the MS paint studios of Yasikos, I present to you...</p><p><img src="http://i47.tinypic.com/ouup2d.jpg" width="772" height="423" /></p><p>The epic twinked alt writ finishing adventures of Penello the rat! Complete with appropriate combat art casting sequence, and chat dialogue.</p><p>...</p><p>God I have way too much time on my hands ._.</p></blockquote><p>Lulz</p></blockquote><p>LuLz indeed!</p>