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Ballads
06-01-2010, 05:58 PM
<p>aITEM -1311531784 -104796311:Discord's Prescient Disk/a</p><p><img src="http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l381/Ballads69/disk.jpg" /></p><p>45% in-combat movement speed? That just ridiculously good and an item anyone in game would like to have. Please put soem way we can this mount on PVE servers.</p><p>Edit stupid smiley</p>

Sydares
06-01-2010, 06:16 PM
<p>Agreed, it's completely unfair that a mount as insanely good as this is PvP-Server only. Yet another case where PvP servers get a ridiculous PvE advantage.</p>

Darkonx
06-01-2010, 06:33 PM
<p>+1</p>

Olihin
06-01-2010, 06:48 PM
<p>The 45% in combat speed effect is to be active in PvP combat only.  </p><p>We should have the change as soon as possible without restricting its use for those actively engaging in Open PvP combat. </p><p><span style="font-size: large; color: #3366ff;">Olihin</span></p>

Crismorn
06-01-2010, 06:54 PM
<p>I would love this for bg's and would definetly use this in raids as well</p>

Ballads
06-01-2010, 06:54 PM
<p><cite>Olihin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The 45% in combat speed effect is to be active in PvP combat only.  </p><p>We should have the change as soon as possible without restricting its use for those actively engaging in Open PvP combat. </p><p><span style="font-size: large; color: #3366ff;">Olihin</span></p></blockquote><p>Only open world pvp right ? I knwo say doesnt work in BG's but some have claimed they have seen the buff up on people.</p>

Olihin
06-01-2010, 07:00 PM
<p><cite>Ballads wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Olihin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The 45% in combat speed effect is to be active in PvP combat only.  </p><p>We should have the change as soon as possible without restricting its use for those actively engaging in Open PvP combat. </p><p><span style="font-size: large; color: #3366ff;">Olihin</span></p></blockquote><p>Only open world pvp right ? I knwo say doesnt work in BG's but some have claimed they have seen the buff up on people.</p></blockquote><p>This does not work in BGs.  Mounts are not allowed in the BGs at all.  If that is not the case then we can check that as a separate issue. </p><p><span style="font-size: large; color: #3366ff;">Olihin</span></p>

Ballads
06-01-2010, 07:06 PM
<p><cite>Olihin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ballads wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Olihin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The 45% in combat speed effect is to be active in PvP combat only.  </p><p>We should have the change as soon as possible without restricting its use for those actively engaging in Open PvP combat. </p><p><span style="font-size: large; color: #3366ff;">Olihin</span></p></blockquote><p>Only open world pvp right ? I knwo say doesnt work in BG's but some have claimed they have seen the buff up on people.</p></blockquote><p>This does not work in BGs.  Mounts are not allowed in the BGs at all.  If that is not the case then we can check that as a separate issue. </p><p><span style="font-size: large; color: #3366ff;">Olihin</span></p></blockquote><p>The mount effect of speed dont work but all the secondary effects do(+hp,mana,w/e) the in-combat speed on this item reads as a seconday effect id assume would work in BG.</p>

Crismorn
06-01-2010, 07:12 PM
<p>Check to make sure its not working in bg's please</p>

buffquinn
06-01-2010, 07:49 PM
<p><cite>Olihin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The 45% in combat speed effect is to be active in PvP combat only.  </p><p>We should have the change as soon as possible without restricting its use for those actively engaging in Open PvP combat. </p><p><span style="color: #3366ff; font-size: large;">Olihin</span></p></blockquote><p>It would be nice if you didn't immediately change/ruin items that cost 300 tokens to get.  I wish my time machine wasn't in the shop and I could keep myself from buying this now.</p>

Crismorn
06-01-2010, 07:57 PM
<p>So you thought a pvp only item should trivialize raid content?</p><p>Not only that, but you should have petitioned it when you realized that it worked outside of pvp content</p>

threat111
06-01-2010, 08:11 PM
<p>A ton of items work outside of pvp combat...  where do you draw the line?</p>

Crismorn
06-01-2010, 08:14 PM
<p>I would say you draw the line at items that trivialize raid content such as 45% in combat run speed when the next highest pve attainable item is 2set neutral avatar charms that give 10% for 2 item slots vs 0 item slots at 45%.</p><p>Tbh its this kind of attitude that makes the dev's reluctant to add cool effects into this game, the population does not need to police itself but common sense should kick in and game balance should be everyones top priority</p>

Ballads
06-01-2010, 08:15 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>A ton of items work outside of pvp combat...  where do you draw the line?</p></blockquote><p>For the record i didnt want it nerfed just wanted access to it on pve. Tho admittedly i had a feeling it would be nerfed.</p>

Notsovilepriest
06-01-2010, 08:28 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I would say you draw the line at items that trivialize raid content such as 45% in combat run speed when the next highest pve attainable item is 2set neutral avatar charms that give 10% for 2 item slots vs 0 item slots at 45%.</p><p>Tbh its this kind of attitude that makes the dev's reluctant to add cool effects into this game, the population does not need to police itself but common sense should kick in and game balance should be everyones top priority</p></blockquote><p>In the same line of thinking, if it was a PvE item, and only worked in PvE and only attainable on PvE servers, Would you say it was too powerful? Don't forget there are others out there that wouldn't get it since they are on PvP servers. With this those, it will mark the death of the only unique PvP item of this expansion too, go team go.</p>

Crismorn
06-01-2010, 08:37 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I would say you draw the line at items that trivialize raid content such as 45% in combat run speed when the next highest pve attainable item is 2set neutral avatar charms that give 10% for 2 item slots vs 0 item slots at 45%.</p><p>Tbh its this kind of attitude that makes the dev's reluctant to add cool effects into this game, the population does not need to police itself but common sense should kick in and game balance should be everyones top priority</p></blockquote><p>In the same line of thinking, if it was a PvE item, and only worked in PvE and only attainable on PvE servers, Would you say it was too powerful? Don't forget there are others out there that wouldn't get it since they are on PvP servers. With this those, it will mark the death of the only unique PvP item of this expansion too, go team go.</p></blockquote><p>It's a non-item slot that trivializes raid content, if there was a pve equal everyone would either use it or they would want to use it over every other mount in this game.</p><p>I guarantee that I would have either made a post or someone else would have instead of trying to hide the fact that it works in content that it should not work in.</p><p>Seriously though whoever got this mount, used it in raids and did not at least petition it to see if its meant to be used outside of pvp content has zero interest in game balance.</p>

BlueEternal
06-01-2010, 08:39 PM
<p><cite>Sydares wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yet another case where PvP servers get a ridiculous PvE advantage.</p></blockquote><p>I'd love to hear a extensive list on this subject. Please enlighten me.</p>

Notsovilepriest
06-01-2010, 08:42 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I would say you draw the line at items that trivialize raid content such as 45% in combat run speed when the next highest pve attainable item is 2set neutral avatar charms that give 10% for 2 item slots vs 0 item slots at 45%.</p><p>Tbh its this kind of attitude that makes the dev's reluctant to add cool effects into this game, the population does not need to police itself but common sense should kick in and game balance should be everyones top priority</p></blockquote><p>In the same line of thinking, if it was a PvE item, and only worked in PvE and only attainable on PvE servers, Would you say it was too powerful? Don't forget there are others out there that wouldn't get it since they are on PvP servers. With this those, it will mark the death of the only unique PvP item of this expansion too, go team go.</p></blockquote><p>It's a non-item slot that trivializes raid content, if there was a pve equal everyone would either use it or they would want to use it over every other mount in this game.</p><p>I guarantee that I would have either made a post or someone else would have instead of trying to hide the fact that it works in content that it should not work in.</p><p>Seriously though whoever got this mount, used it in raids and did not at least petition it to see if its meant to be used outside of pvp content has zero interest in game balance.</p></blockquote><p>Oh so many encounters require any amount of speed anymore in raids, right? I mean, Melee tend to eat half the AE's close range anymore, and you failed to anwser the question. Would you have petitioned it if it were a PvE server only thing, that PvP players couldn't get? It's a simple question</p>

Crismorn
06-01-2010, 08:46 PM
<p>Nothing requires anything.</p><p>The only thing that matters is "Would everyone regardless of class use this item in raid content" if the answer is yes, then chances are it needs to be looked at.</p><p>Especially since there is no other way to get even remotely that kind of in-combat run speed from any equiptable item in eq2.</p><p>None of this matters anymore since the item has been fixed, sadly it should have been fixed after one raid of using it</p>

Crismorn
06-01-2010, 08:47 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I would say you draw the line at items that trivialize raid content such as 45% in combat run speed when the next highest pve attainable item is 2set neutral avatar charms that give 10% for 2 item slots vs 0 item slots at 45%.</p><p>Tbh its this kind of attitude that makes the dev's reluctant to add cool effects into this game, the population does not need to police itself but common sense should kick in and game balance should be everyones top priority</p></blockquote><p>In the same line of thinking, if it was a PvE item, and only worked in PvE and only attainable on PvE servers, Would you say it was too powerful? Don't forget there are others out there that wouldn't get it since they are on PvP servers. With this those, it will mark the death of the only unique PvP item of this expansion too, go team go.</p></blockquote><p>It's a non-item slot that trivializes raid content, if there was a pve equal everyone would either use it or they would want to use it over every other mount in this game.</p><p>I guarantee that I would have either made a post or someone else would have instead of trying to hide the fact that it works in content that it should not work in.</p><p>Seriously though whoever got this mount, used it in raids and did not at least petition it to see if its meant to be used outside of pvp content has zero interest in game balance.</p></blockquote><p>Oh so many encounters require any amount of speed anymore in raids, right? I mean, Melee tend to eat half the AE's close range anymore, and you failed to anwser the question. Would you have petitioned it if it were a PvE server only thing, that PvP players couldn't get? It's a simple question</p></blockquote><p>Yes I would have.</p><p>Game balance > all</p><p>Thats why I continue to get my class nerfed in bg's and was there with you agreeing that dg was grossly op'd in fact it still is at 8 second duration and it should also be nerfed in raids as well because it can trivialize some raid content</p>

Crismorn
06-01-2010, 08:57 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I  hate you people on blue servers so very very much.... Words cannot express how much I hate you... Thanks for ruining our server in every [Removed for Content] way, thanks...</p></blockquote><p>How did we ruin anything?</p><p>Its still usable in open pvp as it was INTENDED to work.</p><p>So thank you for giving the item dev's a reason to make blanket items that add nothing cool to this game because players like you attempt to exploit anything they possibly can.</p>

macsux
06-01-2010, 09:00 PM
<p>Open pvp is a friggn joke. Come on pvp server and you'll see what I mean. We get lag so bad you can cast one spell every 7 seconds, if you're lucky. Everyone looks like they are warp hacking, and zones are crashing repeatedly. Dealing with that crap made a little sence for some good items you got out of it, and then they had to do this bs bgs and all you do is [Removed for Content] whine how it's unfair this and that.</p>

CorpseGoddess
06-01-2010, 09:05 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Open pvp is a friggn joke. Come on pvp server and you'll see what I mean. We get lag so bad you can cast one spell every 7 seconds, if you're lucky. Everyone looks like they are warp hacking, and zones are crashing repeatedly. Dealing with that crap made a little sence for some good items you got out of it, and then they had to do this bs bgs and all you do is [Removed for Content] whine how it's unfair this and that.</p></blockquote><p>I hope you realise you're doing nothing but perpetuating the stereotypical view of pvp players that non-pvp'ers have.</p><p>Your arguments have nothing to do with somebody reporting a bug and everything to do with your dissatisfaction with EQ2's pvp servers.</p>

macsux
06-01-2010, 09:09 PM
<p>I don't consider it a bug. You guys farmed avatar loot while it was near impossible on our server cuz of lag/pvp. So one item we have that gives us advantage is suddenly an exploit in your eyes. There was nothing on that disc that say pvp-only. Raid gear is perfectly usable in pvp, so I don't see why disc can't be used in pve.</p>

Cloakentuna
06-01-2010, 09:11 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sydares wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yet another case where PvP servers get a ridiculous PvE advantage.</p></blockquote><p>I'd love to hear a extensive list on this subject. Please enlighten me.</p></blockquote><p>I too would like to see his list.</p>

BlueEternal
06-01-2010, 09:15 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>There was nothing on that disc that say pvp-only. Raid gear is perfectly usable in pvp, so I don't see why disc can't be used in pve.</p></blockquote><p>QFE. 90% of the gear I use in PVP is PVE gear. When will everything im wearing be nerfed to not work? I basically saved myself hours of grinding tokens/bg's because I ran one instance for the item I wanted to use.</p>

Tasmai
06-01-2010, 09:22 PM
<p>I'm kinda curious how a 45% in combat run speed item trivializes raid content.</p>

Carthr
06-01-2010, 09:31 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> You guys farmed avatar loot while it was near impossible on our server cuz of lag</p></blockquote><p>Because PvP servers are the only ones with lag... You wanna see lag? Try Crushbone or AB</p>

Notsovilepriest
06-01-2010, 09:35 PM
<p><cite>Carthrax wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> You guys farmed avatar loot while it was near impossible on our server cuz of lag</p></blockquote><p>Because PvP servers are the only ones with lag... You wanna see lag? Try Crushbone or AB</p></blockquote><p>You realize CB doesn't have the population Naggy does? Also, You realize the lag has been far worse on Naggy that any other server, bar maybe AB.</p>

Tasmai
06-01-2010, 10:04 PM
<p>Nagafen may have more characters. But thats because a lot of PvE players have alts there, since its the only pvp server. I'd wager AB or CB has a larger "mains" population.</p>

Notsovilepriest
06-01-2010, 10:15 PM
<p><cite>Tasmai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Nagafen may have more characters. But thats because a lot of PvE players have alts there, since its the only pvp server. I'd wager AB or CB has a larger "mains" population.</p></blockquote><p>Look at the character creation, It is almost always Naggy and AB switching between 1 and 2 at Heavy. Rest are moderate</p>

Gungo
06-01-2010, 10:29 PM
<p><cite>Tasmai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm kinda curious how a 45% in combat run speed item trivializes raid content.</p></blockquote><p>Jousting aoe'sTons of raids requiring in combat harvesting or clicking of items halfway across the zone. Raids requiring moving mobs aroudn to certain places to damage them AKA THEER.knockbacksI am sure I can list tons of raid scripts were faster incombat run speed will make the fight anyhere from marginally easier to significantly easier.</p>

Gungo
06-01-2010, 10:35 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Carthrax wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> You guys farmed avatar loot while it was near impossible on our server cuz of lag</p></blockquote><p>Because PvP servers are the only ones with lag... You wanna see lag? Try Crushbone or AB</p></blockquote><p>You realize CB doesn't have the population Naggy does? Also, You realize the lag has been far worse on Naggy that any other server, bar maybe AB.</p></blockquote><p>Actually crushbone's population is fairly close to nagafens. Except we have more active population and are on a more populated server cluster. Meaning more instances are up on the same server hardware.</p><p>1) AB 315,0002) Nagafens 280,0003) Crushbone 235,0004) Permafrost 190,000</p>

Notsovilepriest
06-01-2010, 10:42 PM
<p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Carthrax wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> You guys farmed avatar loot while it was near impossible on our server cuz of lag</p></blockquote><p>Because PvP servers are the only ones with lag... You wanna see lag? Try Crushbone or AB</p></blockquote><p>You realize CB doesn't have the population Naggy does? Also, You realize the lag has been far worse on Naggy that any other server, bar maybe AB.</p></blockquote><p>Actually crushbone's population is fairly clsoe to nagafens. Except we have more active population and are on a more populated server cluster. Meaning more instances are up on the same server hardware.</p></blockquote><p>Believe what you want, Any bluebie that has come to Naggy that I have met has said Naggy server lag is the worst of any other servers they had ever played on...</p>

Gungo
06-01-2010, 10:47 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Carthrax wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> You guys farmed avatar loot while it was near impossible on our server cuz of lag</p></blockquote><p>Because PvP servers are the only ones with lag... You wanna see lag? Try Crushbone or AB</p></blockquote><p>You realize CB doesn't have the population Naggy does? Also, You realize the lag has been far worse on Naggy that any other server, bar maybe AB.</p></blockquote><p>Actually crushbone's population is fairly clsoe to nagafens. Except we have more active population and are on a more populated server cluster. Meaning more instances are up on the same server hardware.</p></blockquote><p>Believe what you want, Any bluebie that has come to Naggy that I have met has said Naggy server lag is the worst of any other servers they had ever played on...</p></blockquote><p>And I have heard the same said countless times. In fact I have a toon on nagafen and its no where near as bad as crushbone. afaik i think we are the only server to suffer from the 20min lag spikes during contested raids. Tell me the last raid you were in where the screen locked (not crashed) for the ENTIRE zone for 20 minutes. EVERYONE in zone was just frozen. Honestly crushbone lag is legendary. I know of at least 3 entire guild rosters that have transfered to crushbone and then transfered off/disbanded because the lag was so bad.</p>

BlueEternal
06-01-2010, 10:51 PM
<p>My lag can beat up your lag.</p>

Cloakentuna
06-01-2010, 11:10 PM
<p>I remember one night when we were pulling Justice.  A PvE'r in an avatar killing guild ended up out there watching us pull it, and he made multiple comments during the period that he was out there wondering how we managed to kill anything with the ammount of lag the zone was experiencing.</p>

Wytie
06-01-2010, 11:14 PM
<p>Leave the item alone and just add it to the BG merchant for 100 of each.</p><p>Takes almost no dev time and then everyone is happy.</p>

Notsovilepriest
06-01-2010, 11:17 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I remember one night when we were pulling Justice.  A PvE'r in an avatar killing guild ended up out there watching us pull it, and he made multiple comments during the period that he was out there wondering how we managed to kill anything with the ammount of lag the zone was experiencing.</p></blockquote><p>Justice was one of the better avatars lag wise too TBH.</p>

Crismorn
06-02-2010, 01:51 AM
<p>I hated Justice after the Everfrost revamp</p>

Shareana
06-02-2010, 01:27 PM
<p>Ok, thread looks a bit better now.  Lets stop with the snipping and rude comments please, they are NOT needed to get your point across to other posters.  Thank you!</p><p>Stay on topic as well *wink*</p>

alabama
06-02-2010, 01:56 PM
<p>that nerf didnt take long.</p><p>another unique pvp server item washed away in the river of blubie tears haha.</p><p>who woulda thunk it</p>

alabama
06-02-2010, 02:01 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sydares wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yet another case where PvP servers get a ridiculous PvE advantage.</p></blockquote><p>I'd love to hear a extensive list on this subject. Please enlighten me.</p></blockquote><p>I too would like to see his list.</p></blockquote><p>still waiting Sydares.</p>

Crismorn
06-02-2010, 03:19 PM
<p><cite>alabama wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>that nerf didnt take long.</p><p>another unique pvp server item washed away in the river of blubie tears haha.</p><p>who woulda thunk it</p></blockquote><p>It still works in open world pvp as was intended.</p><p>Calm down</p>

Cloakentuna
06-02-2010, 05:33 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>alabama wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>that nerf didnt take long.</p><p>another unique pvp server item washed away in the river of blubie tears haha.</p><p>who woulda thunk it</p></blockquote><p>It still works in open world pvp as was intended.</p><p>Calm down</p></blockquote><p>You mean it still works in something that is non-existent due to terrible servers and BGs?  Awesome!</p>

sdaigneault
06-02-2010, 06:38 PM
<p>FYI, this item originally cost SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY open-world PVP tokens. Do you know how long it takes to get THAT many tokens on a PVP server, when open world PVP is essentially dead??</p><p>YEH, 45 in-combat run speed looked AWESOME, but the cost was incredibly high, near impossible for most to get. It NEVER said PVP-ONLY. </p><p>This item was the ONE unique item given to PVP servers, and it's now been taken away.</p><p>Game balance? Don't tell me you can talk about game balance with a straight face when blue servers don't have to deal w/ opposing faction when hitting contested mobs. Notice how few on red servers got avatar gear? Oh sure, it's not that we couldn't get those items, they were theoretically available, but who cares when in reality Avatar gear was IMPOSSIBLE for those on Vox.</p><p>God dang I wish I could trade that disc back in for a refund. Why the hell would I spend 750 tokens on a [Removed for Content] disc that is a lame 2% faster than the mount I can get from Deepwater???</p>

Crismorn
06-02-2010, 06:57 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It still works in open world pvp as was intended.</p><p>Calm down</p></blockquote>

alabama
06-02-2010, 07:09 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It still works in open world pvp as was intended.</p><p>Calm down</p></blockquote></blockquote><p>you have no idea what your talking about. keep enjoying your watered down pvp (that cost us our real pvp) though blue man. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p>

Crismorn
06-02-2010, 07:32 PM
<p><cite>alabama wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It still works in open world pvp as was intended.</p><p>Calm down</p></blockquote></blockquote><p>you have no idea what your talking about. keep enjoying your watered down pvp (<strong>that cost us our real pvp</strong>) though blue man. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>The current no risk everyone wins system is what destroyed open world pvp, that and lag.</p><p>bg's just gave people a better and faster option to get gear which most of Nagafen jumped on.</p><p>Also, it still works in open pvp</p><p>calm down</p>

sdaigneault
06-02-2010, 07:58 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It still works in open world pvp as was intended.</p><p>Calm down</p></blockquote></blockquote><p>Why the hell would I spend 750 open-world PVP tokens on a mount, that has a special ability that only works in open-world PVP? That's NOT how it was sold. And the price reflected that.</p>

Crismorn
06-02-2010, 08:23 PM
<p><cite>sdaigneault wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It still works in open world pvp as was intended.</p><p>Calm down</p></blockquote></blockquote><p>Why the hell would I spend 750 open-world PVP tokens on a mount, that has a special ability that only works in open-world PVP? That's NOT how it was sold. And the price reflected that.</p></blockquote><p>That sucks, if someone would have petitioned that it was working outside of pvp it could have been fixed before you bought it.</p><p>We will never know</p>

Notsovilepriest
06-02-2010, 09:27 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>sdaigneault wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It still works in open world pvp as was intended.</p><p>Calm down</p></blockquote></blockquote><p>Why the hell would I spend 750 open-world PVP tokens on a mount, that has a special ability that only works in open-world PVP? That's NOT how it was sold. And the price reflected that.</p></blockquote><p>That sucks, if someone would have petitioned that it was working outside of pvp it could have been fixed before you bought it.</p><p>We will never know</p></blockquote><p>Because it's our fault they don't put "If Engaged in PvP" on an effect so we assume it's the way it's supposed to be, Why would we petition it?</p>

Olihin
06-03-2010, 08:44 PM
<p><cite>Ballads wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>aITEM -1311531784 -104796311<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />iscord's Prescient Disk/a</p><p><img src="http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l381/Ballads69/disk.jpg" /></p><p>45% in-combat movement speed? That just ridiculously good and an item anyone in game would like to have. Please put soem way we can this mount on PVE servers.</p><p>Edit stupid smiley</p></blockquote><p>The item has been changed as follow:</p><ul type="disc"><li ><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri;">Discord’s Prescient Disk now grants increased power and 20 toughness instead of in combat speed. </span></span> </li><li ><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri;">Discord’s Enduring Disk now grants increased health and 20 toughness instead of in combat speed.  </span></span> </li><li ><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri;">Discord’s Prescient and Enduring Disks are now available through the Battleground vendors.</span></span></li><li ><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri;">Discord’s Prescient and Enduring Disks can be exchanged for tokens through the Priest of Discord for a limited time.</span></span> </li></ul><p>The change increases the desirability of the item exclusively for PvP and Battlegrounds.  The 70% speed and featherfall effect is still available for this item.</p><p>Thank you,</p><p><span style="font-size: large; color: #3366ff;">Olihin</span></p>

Hanari
06-04-2010, 07:20 AM
<p>Thank you very much.</p> <p>We need more blubies take care off pvp. nice work. thanks ballads <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p> <p>u can change the price for it now too if u are on it olihin, to 5 token maybe.</p>

max.power
06-04-2010, 07:31 AM
<p><cite>Olihin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The item has been changed as follow:</p><ul type="disc"><li><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri;">Discord’s Prescient Disk now grants increased power and 20 toughness instead of in combat speed. </span></span> </li><li><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri;">Discord’s Enduring Disk now grants increased health and 20 toughness instead of in combat speed.  </span></span> </li><li><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri;">Discord’s Prescient and Enduring Disks are now available through the Battleground vendors.</span></span></li><li><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri;">Discord’s Prescient and Enduring Disks can be exchanged for tokens through the Priest of Discord for a limited time.</span></span> </li></ul><p>The change increases the desirability of the item exclusively for PvP and Battlegrounds.  The 70% speed and featherfall effect is still available for this item.</p><p>Thank you,</p><p><span style="font-size: large; color: #3366ff;">Olihin</span></p></blockquote><p>Hi Olihin,</p><p>could you please explain why you have removed the in combat speed all together? Disable it for PvE but please leave it in for (open world) PvP. Finally after years it doesn't feel like fighting in pudding anymore.</p><p>Since the disk will be available for PvE players via BGs, maybe even consider to let the in combat speed be allowed in BGs too - it's much more fun fighting with the speed than crawling around at 0.</p><p>This disk was given to us as a special reward for open PvP (you yourself said that). Removing the in combat speed for open PvP is another, unnecessary slap into the face.</p>

Stuckx
06-04-2010, 08:21 AM
<p>A bluebie whines about something that doesn't affect his server,and it gets nerfed within a few days.</p><p>A PVPer tries to get something fixed that's been broken for months,and it might finally recieve a response two years later,though that response is usally a big 'screw you' to the PVP server.</p><p>GG SOE,you hate PVP servers and we all know it. Go ahead and delete Nagafen now.</p>

Greggthegrmreapr
06-04-2010, 09:22 AM
<p>You have plenty of items with PvP combat only.  Why not just make this one of them.  If the blubies want one they can roll on Nagafen.</p>

Wytie
06-04-2010, 09:52 AM
<p>He probably couldnt make the speed pvp only(and not BG's), hense the chance at a refund, which is nice.</p>

Stuckx
06-04-2010, 10:07 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>He probably couldnt make the speed pvp only(and not BG's), hense the chance at a refund, which is nice.</p></blockquote><p>A refund doesn't fix this. No one is going to buy this mount now,the only reason anyone wanted it was for the in-combat runspeed.</p><p>It pisses me off that a bluebie can whine about something that has absolutely no effect on them,or their server,and it gets nerfed..but it takes sony MONTHS to fix any simple bug or something that affects PVP gameplay,if they even fix it at all.</p><p>SoE does not care about their PVP servers,regardless of the show they try to put on by giving us a 'PVP dev',who apparently listens more to bluebies than he does the actual servers he's supposed to be catering to.</p><p>This game has gotten to the point where it's pretty much no fun to play..I've stopped logging in to raid,and the only reason I'm sticking around is to run level 80 BG's with my friends. The second any MMO comes out with PVP that is actually decent,I'll be dropping Eq2 for good. As it is90% of the time I used to spend playing Eq2,is now being spent playing FPS and strategy games.</p><p>PVP used to be fun,before bluebies got a taste of it in the battlegrounds,which inevitably lead to them pretty much controlling our server without even playing on it. Bluebie whines about something PVP related? It's hotfixed the next day.</p>

noobsauce01
06-04-2010, 10:21 AM
<p>The the disc was OP (Period, end)</p><p>The fact that so many where willing to spend ungodly amounts of tokens to get it only proves the point. Just because it was difficult to get doesn't by any means change the fact it was OP. It just meant that only a few got to be OP. The disc gave, in essence, god-mode to any who had it in 1v1 combat against someone who did not have it. You could EASILY flee if the fight wasn't going well or run down anyone who was trying to to same. You controlled the terms of the fight and who gets to win, reguardless of all other gear or skill.</p><p>Theres so much anger by some for one reason, they worked really hard to be OP, and now part of that work has been lost. I understand that, but, again, YOU STILL WHERE OP and a rebalance was needed.</p>

Stuckx
06-04-2010, 10:24 AM
<p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The the disc was OP (Period, end)</p><p>The fact that so many where willing to spend ungodly amounts of tokens to get it only proves the point. Just because it was difficult to get doesn't by any means change the fact it was OP. It just meant that only a few got to be OP. The disc gave, in essence, god-mode to any who had it in 1v1 combat against some who did not have it. You could EASILY flee if the fight wasn't going well or run down anyone who was trying to to same. You controlled the terms of the fight and who gets to win, reguardless of all other gear or skill.</p><p>Theres so much anger by some for one reason, they worked really hard to be OP, and now part of that work has been lost. I understand that, but, again, YOU STILL WHERE OP and a rebalance was needed.</p></blockquote><p>The disk was not OP. Some people were just too lazy to do the work to get it. It took me a whole two days of grinding PVP to get one for my warden,and If I wanted another,it would still only take three days tops.</p><p>It's only OP if you're not willing to put in the time and effort to get it,amirite? Just like raid gear in TSO was OP to those too lazy to put in the time and effort to get it,amirite?</p>

noobsauce01
06-04-2010, 10:30 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The the disc was OP (Period, end)</p><p>The fact that so many where willing to spend ungodly amounts of tokens to get it only proves the point. Just because it was difficult to get doesn't by any means change the fact it was OP. It just meant that only a few got to be OP. The disc gave, in essence, god-mode to any who had it in 1v1 combat against some who did not have it. You could EASILY flee if the fight wasn't going well or run down anyone who was trying to to same. You controlled the terms of the fight and who gets to win, reguardless of all other gear or skill.</p><p>Theres so much anger by some for one reason, they worked really hard to be OP, and now part of that work has been lost. I understand that, but, again, YOU STILL WHERE OP and a rebalance was needed.</p></blockquote><p>The disk was not OP. Some people were just too lazy to do the work to get it. It took me a whole two days of grinding PVP to get one for my warden,and If I wanted another,it would still only take three days tops.</p><p>It's only OP if you're not willing to put in the time and effort to get it,amirite? Just like raid gear in TSO was OP to those too lazy to put in the time and effort to get it,amirite?</p></blockquote><p>No, and no. The disc was an ABSOLUTE requirement to PvP against another player who had a disc. No other single item in the game is like this. Disc = OP.</p><p>Equally geared, equal level, disc jockey wins or flees everytime...(skill never comes into play)</p><p>And assuming your timelines are correct, then why are so many complaining about the "effort" it took or asking for a "refund"? My guess is you're not the typical case, or you're lying. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

Wytie
06-04-2010, 10:38 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>He probably couldnt make the speed pvp only(and not BG's), hense the chance at a refund, which is nice.</p></blockquote><p>A refund doesn't fix this. No one is going to buy this mount now,the only reason anyone wanted it was for the in-combat runspeed.</p><p>It pisses me off that a bluebie can whine about something that has absolutely no effect on them,or their server,and it gets nerfed..but it takes sony MONTHS to fix any simple bug or something that affects PVP gameplay,if they even fix it at all.</p><p>SoE does not care about their PVP servers,regardless of the show they try to put on by giving us a 'PVP dev',who apparently listens more to bluebies than he does the actual servers he's supposed to be catering to.</p><p>This game has gotten to the point where it's pretty much no fun to play..I've stopped logging in to raid,and the only reason I'm sticking around is to run level 80 BG's with my friends. The second any MMO comes out with PVP that is actually decent,I'll be dropping Eq2 for good. As it is90% of the time I used to spend playing Eq2,is now being spent playing FPS and strategy games.</p><p>PVP used to be fun,before bluebies got a taste of it in the battlegrounds,which inevitably lead to them pretty much controlling our server without even playing on it. Bluebie whines about something PVP related? It's hotfixed the next day.</p></blockquote><p>You're not paying attention.</p><p>It did effect them. I wont go into specifics because its not actually fixed yet.</p>

Stuckx
06-04-2010, 10:40 AM
<p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The the disc was OP (Period, end)</p><p>The fact that so many where willing to spend ungodly amounts of tokens to get it only proves the point. Just because it was difficult to get doesn't by any means change the fact it was OP. It just meant that only a few got to be OP. The disc gave, in essence, god-mode to any who had it in 1v1 combat against some who did not have it. You could EASILY flee if the fight wasn't going well or run down anyone who was trying to to same. You controlled the terms of the fight and who gets to win, reguardless of all other gear or skill.</p><p>Theres so much anger by some for one reason, they worked really hard to be OP, and now part of that work has been lost. I understand that, but, again, YOU STILL WHERE OP and a rebalance was needed.</p></blockquote><p>The disk was not OP. Some people were just too lazy to do the work to get it. It took me a whole two days of grinding PVP to get one for my warden,and If I wanted another,it would still only take three days tops.</p><p>It's only OP if you're not willing to put in the time and effort to get it,amirite? Just like raid gear in TSO was OP to those too lazy to put in the time and effort to get it,amirite?</p></blockquote><p>No, and no. The disc was an ABSOLUTE requirement to PvP against another player who had a disc. No other single item in the game is like this. Disc = OP.</p><p>Equally geared, equal level, disc jockey wins or flees everytime...(skill never comes into play)</p><p>And assuming you timelines are correct, then why are so many complaining about the effort it took or asking for a refund? My guess is you're not the typical case, or you're lying. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>The cost isn't what's important,the problem here is that the disk was not OP(just because you're too lazy to get something doesn't make it OP)and had absolutely no effect on the PVE servers in any way. The problem is that SOE doen't care about it's PVP servers,and it never has.</p><p>Seriously,a bluebie whines about the one thing PVP servers get that they don't,and it gets nerfed within a few days?</p><p>But when PVP servers have an actual problem,like massive,unplayable lag..or people exploiting in PVP,or crusaders being massively OP..a fix can take months,or never come at all..usually the latter.</p><p>The disk should not have been nerfed to being completely useless. Make it PVP combat only or something,but there was absolutely no reason to take away the 45% in-combat runspeed.</p>

Stuckx
06-04-2010, 10:41 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>He probably couldnt make the speed pvp only(and not BG's), hense the chance at a refund, which is nice.</p></blockquote><p>A refund doesn't fix this. No one is going to buy this mount now,the only reason anyone wanted it was for the in-combat runspeed.</p><p>It pisses me off that a bluebie can whine about something that has absolutely no effect on them,or their server,and it gets nerfed..but it takes sony MONTHS to fix any simple bug or something that affects PVP gameplay,if they even fix it at all.</p><p>SoE does not care about their PVP servers,regardless of the show they try to put on by giving us a 'PVP dev',who apparently listens more to bluebies than he does the actual servers he's supposed to be catering to.</p><p>This game has gotten to the point where it's pretty much no fun to play..I've stopped logging in to raid,and the only reason I'm sticking around is to run level 80 BG's with my friends. The second any MMO comes out with PVP that is actually decent,I'll be dropping Eq2 for good. As it is90% of the time I used to spend playing Eq2,is now being spent playing FPS and strategy games.</p><p>PVP used to be fun,before bluebies got a taste of it in the battlegrounds,which inevitably lead to them pretty much controlling our server without even playing on it. Bluebie whines about something PVP related? It's hotfixed the next day.</p></blockquote><p>You're not paying attention.</p><p>It did effect them. I wont go into specifics because its not actually fixed yet.</p></blockquote><p>It didn't effect them at all. Their excuse was that it 'trivialized raid content' when it absolutely did not. About the only fight it would have made easier was Perah Celsis,and I've done that fight a hundred times without the mount.</p>

ysslik
06-04-2010, 10:48 AM
<p><cite>Olihin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ballads wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>aITEM -1311531784 -104796311<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />iscord's Prescient Disk/a</p><p><img src="http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l381/Ballads69/disk.jpg" /></p><p>45% in-combat movement speed? That just ridiculously good and an item anyone in game would like to have. Please put soem way we can this mount on PVE servers.</p><p>Edit stupid smiley</p></blockquote><p>The item has been changed as follow:</p><ul type="disc"><li><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 10pt;">Discord’s Prescient Disk now grants increased power and 20 toughness instead of in combat speed. </span></span></li><li><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 10pt;">Discord’s Enduring Disk now grants increased health and 20 toughness instead of in combat speed.  </span></span></li><li><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 10pt;">Discord’s Prescient and Enduring Disks are now available through the Battleground vendors.</span></span></li><li><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 10pt;">Discord’s Prescient and Enduring Disks can be exchanged for tokens through the Priest of Discord for a limited time.</span></span> </li></ul><p>The change increases the desirability of the item exclusively for PvP and Battlegrounds.  The 70% speed and featherfall effect is still available for this item.</p><p>Thank you,</p><p><span style="color: #3366ff; font-size: large;">Olihin</span></p></blockquote><p>WRONG i do not desire this item anymore. i was going to not get any armor and save specifiacly for this item(i decided that  when it costed 750) well i guess ill get my armor now. </p><p>I have been patient with the pvp problems gave you all the benifit of the doubt this is the one that broke the camels back you screwed the pooch on this.</p><p>Why cant we have one piece that is true pvp only.</p><p>Get rid of bgs on pvp servers im tired of blubies nerfing us out all the cries of being unfair this is  by far the most unfair.</p><p>Here you can test how wrong you are about the desirabilty of the new item</p><p>put up a special merchant that refunds tokens for the pvp disks and monitor that merchant and i would bet 90% if not more would refund it for thier tokens back.</p><p>you need to give us unique items for open pvp only to keep open pvp alive.As bad as warfields have been with lag zone crash and no token rewards there has been more open pvp now then i have seen in a while.lets not srew what pvp is out there now.You dont get anywhere when you go step foward and 2 steps back</p><p>One last piece of advice</p><p>DONT LISTEN TO BLUEBIES WHEN IT COMES TO PVP</p>

noobsauce01
06-04-2010, 10:51 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The the disc was OP (Period, end)</p><p>The fact that so many where willing to spend ungodly amounts of tokens to get it only proves the point. Just because it was difficult to get doesn't by any means change the fact it was OP. It just meant that only a few got to be OP. The disc gave, in essence, god-mode to any who had it in 1v1 combat against some who did not have it. You could EASILY flee if the fight wasn't going well or run down anyone who was trying to to same. You controlled the terms of the fight and who gets to win, reguardless of all other gear or skill.</p><p>Theres so much anger by some for one reason, they worked really hard to be OP, and now part of that work has been lost. I understand that, but, again, YOU STILL WHERE OP and a rebalance was needed.</p></blockquote><p>The disk was not OP. Some people were just too lazy to do the work to get it. It took me a whole two days of grinding PVP to get one for my warden,and If I wanted another,it would still only take three days tops.</p><p>It's only OP if you're not willing to put in the time and effort to get it,amirite? Just like raid gear in TSO was OP to those too lazy to put in the time and effort to get it,amirite?</p></blockquote><p>No, and no. The disc was an ABSOLUTE requirement to PvP against another player who had a disc. No other single item in the game is like this. Disc = OP.</p><p>Equally geared, equal level, disc jockey wins or flees everytime...(skill never comes into play)</p><p>And assuming you timelines are correct, then why are so many complaining about the effort it took or asking for a refund? My guess is you're not the typical case, or you're lying. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>The cost isn't what's important,the problem here is that the disk was not OP(just because you're too lazy to get something doesn't make it OP)and had absolutely no effect on the PVE servers in any way. The problem is that SOE doen't care about it's PVP servers,and it never has.</p><p>Seriously,a bluebie whines about the one thing PVP servers get that they don't,and it gets nerfed within a few days?</p><p>But when PVP servers have an actual problem,like massive,unplayable lag..or people exploiting in PVP,or crusaders being massively OP..a fix can take months,or never come at all..usually the latter.</p><p>The disk should not have been nerfed to being completely useless. Make it PVP combat only or something,but there was absolutely no reason to take away the 45% in-combat runspeed.</p></blockquote><p>I dont understand why blue server players complained. It didn't effect them all. I completely agree with you there. Again, effort to get an items does not validate whether or not its OP. The disc was OP and was affecting the game balance in PvP. You can can argue otherwise, but the change instituted definately reflects my opinion. They could have made the in-combat speed buff PvP only, but they didn't, why? Two possible reasons:</p><p>1) SOE is lazy and hates PvPer! (may be true, but thats just a strawman)</p><p>2) It helped to allow a choice in what mounts to use in PvP, vs. making one required. And moves more towards a skill based PvP fight.  (again, no proof, but since I have to chose, ill take this option since it seems most reasonable)</p>

Stuckx
06-04-2010, 10:59 AM
<p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The the disc was OP (Period, end)</p><p>The fact that so many where willing to spend ungodly amounts of tokens to get it only proves the point. Just because it was difficult to get doesn't by any means change the fact it was OP. It just meant that only a few got to be OP. The disc gave, in essence, god-mode to any who had it in 1v1 combat against some who did not have it. You could EASILY flee if the fight wasn't going well or run down anyone who was trying to to same. You controlled the terms of the fight and who gets to win, reguardless of all other gear or skill.</p><p>Theres so much anger by some for one reason, they worked really hard to be OP, and now part of that work has been lost. I understand that, but, again, YOU STILL WHERE OP and a rebalance was needed.</p></blockquote><p>The disk was not OP. Some people were just too lazy to do the work to get it. It took me a whole two days of grinding PVP to get one for my warden,and If I wanted another,it would still only take three days tops.</p><p>It's only OP if you're not willing to put in the time and effort to get it,amirite? Just like raid gear in TSO was OP to those too lazy to put in the time and effort to get it,amirite?</p></blockquote><p>No, and no. The disc was an ABSOLUTE requirement to PvP against another player who had a disc. No other single item in the game is like this. Disc = OP.</p><p>Equally geared, equal level, disc jockey wins or flees everytime...(skill never comes into play)</p><p>And assuming you timelines are correct, then why are so many complaining about the effort it took or asking for a refund? My guess is you're not the typical case, or you're lying. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>The cost isn't what's important,the problem here is that the disk was not OP(just because you're too lazy to get something doesn't make it OP)and had absolutely no effect on the PVE servers in any way. The problem is that SOE doen't care about it's PVP servers,and it never has.</p><p>Seriously,a bluebie whines about the one thing PVP servers get that they don't,and it gets nerfed within a few days?</p><p>But when PVP servers have an actual problem,like massive,unplayable lag..or people exploiting in PVP,or crusaders being massively OP..a fix can take months,or never come at all..usually the latter.</p><p>The disk should not have been nerfed to being completely useless. Make it PVP combat only or something,but there was absolutely no reason to take away the 45% in-combat runspeed.</p></blockquote><p>I dont understand why blue server players complained. It didn't effect them all. I completely agree with you there. Again, effort to get an items does not validate whether or not its OP. The disc was OP and was affecting the game balance in PvP. You can can argue otherwise, but the change instituted definately reflects my opinion. They could have made the in-combat speed buff PvP only, but they didn't, why? Two possible reasons:</p><p>1) SOE is lazy and hates PvPer! (may be true, but thats just a strawman)</p><p>2) It helped to allow a choice in what mounts to use in PvP, vs. making one required. And moves more towards a skill based PvP fight.  (again, no proof, but since I have to chose, ill take this option since it seems most reasonable)</p></blockquote><p>Skill based PVP fights have been gone since TSO. You're either a crusader,or you're going to lose..that about sums it up,tbh.</p><p>And yes,SOE hates PVPers,as made obvious by their continued efforts to nerf anything unique that we get(pvp jewelery,and now the mount),never fix anything broken within a reasonable time limit(if they can nerf a mount within a week of a post popping up,why can't they nerf crusaders after nearly two years of constant 'Crusaders are beyond OP' threads popping up?)and an obvious disregard for the state of our servers(warfield lag after they should have been intelligent enough to know that if two x4's at an avatar pull could make Ant/CL nearly unplayable..then why would 200+ people all crowded around a tower be any less laggy?)</p>

Wytie
06-04-2010, 11:05 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>He probably couldnt make the speed pvp only(and not BG's), hense the chance at a refund, which is nice.</p></blockquote><p>A refund doesn't fix this. No one is going to buy this mount now,the only reason anyone wanted it was for the in-combat runspeed.</p><p>It pisses me off that a bluebie can whine about something that has absolutely no effect on them,or their server,and it gets nerfed..but it takes sony MONTHS to fix any simple bug or something that affects PVP gameplay,if they even fix it at all.</p><p>SoE does not care about their PVP servers,regardless of the show they try to put on by giving us a 'PVP dev',who apparently listens more to bluebies than he does the actual servers he's supposed to be catering to.</p><p>This game has gotten to the point where it's pretty much no fun to play..I've stopped logging in to raid,and the only reason I'm sticking around is to run level 80 BG's with my friends. The second any MMO comes out with PVP that is actually decent,I'll be dropping Eq2 for good. As it is90% of the time I used to spend playing Eq2,is now being spent playing FPS and strategy games.</p><p>PVP used to be fun,before bluebies got a taste of it in the battlegrounds,which inevitably lead to them pretty much controlling our server without even playing on it. Bluebie whines about something PVP related? It's hotfixed the next day.</p></blockquote><p>You're not paying attention.</p><p>It did effect them. I wont go into specifics because its not actually fixed yet.</p></blockquote><p>It didn't effect them at all. Their excuse was that it 'trivialized raid content' when it absolutely did not. About the only fight it would have made easier was Perah Celsis,and I've done that fight a hundred times without the mount.</p></blockquote><p>You are wrong. I am not talkn just about raiding.</p><p>Did you even read this thread?</p><p>Do you have one of these mounts?</p><p>Quite lieing to yourself.</p><p>The day I bought this mount I knew its days were numbered.</p>

Stuckx
06-04-2010, 11:09 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>He probably couldnt make the speed pvp only(and not BG's), hense the chance at a refund, which is nice.</p></blockquote><p>A refund doesn't fix this. No one is going to buy this mount now,the only reason anyone wanted it was for the in-combat runspeed.</p><p>It pisses me off that a bluebie can whine about something that has absolutely no effect on them,or their server,and it gets nerfed..but it takes sony MONTHS to fix any simple bug or something that affects PVP gameplay,if they even fix it at all.</p><p>SoE does not care about their PVP servers,regardless of the show they try to put on by giving us a 'PVP dev',who apparently listens more to bluebies than he does the actual servers he's supposed to be catering to.</p><p>This game has gotten to the point where it's pretty much no fun to play..I've stopped logging in to raid,and the only reason I'm sticking around is to run level 80 BG's with my friends. The second any MMO comes out with PVP that is actually decent,I'll be dropping Eq2 for good. As it is90% of the time I used to spend playing Eq2,is now being spent playing FPS and strategy games.</p><p>PVP used to be fun,before bluebies got a taste of it in the battlegrounds,which inevitably lead to them pretty much controlling our server without even playing on it. Bluebie whines about something PVP related? It's hotfixed the next day.</p></blockquote><p>You're not paying attention.</p><p>It did effect them. I wont go into specifics because its not actually fixed yet.</p></blockquote><p>It didn't effect them at all. Their excuse was that it 'trivialized raid content' when it absolutely did not. About the only fight it would have made easier was Perah Celsis,and I've done that fight a hundred times without the mount.</p></blockquote><p>You are wrong. I am not talkn just about raiding.</p><p>Did you even read this thread?</p><p>Do you have one of these mounts?</p><p>Quite lieing to yourself.</p><p>The day I bought this mount I knew its days were numbered.</p></blockquote><p>Yea,I did,and the very first post is someone asking to get it on the blue servers. The second is some scrub complaining about PVPers having some massive advantage over PVE players,and the third is Ohilin saying the mount should only work in PVP,and that he was putting a change in for it.</p><p>After that,it's mostly people that don't even play on the PVP servers talking about how OP it is.</p><p>As I said,the mount was only OP if you were too lazy to put in the time and effort to get it.</p>

Darry
06-04-2010, 11:12 AM
<p>I never bothered buying this mount because I knew it wouldn't last long due to the fact that it is grossly overpowered. Anyone crying about the in combat run speed getting removed is just bitter that this ridiculous item is being removed, although I agree that a pathetic 20 toughness is nothing for this mount, at least give it something useful.</p>

Stuckx
06-04-2010, 11:17 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I never bothered buying this mount because I knew it wouldn't last long due to the fact that it is grossly overpowered. Anyone crying about the in combat run speed getting removed is just bitter that this ridiculous item is being removed, although I agree that a pathetic 20 toughness is nothing for this mount, at least give it something useful.</p></blockquote><p>Anyone crying about the people that had this mount is just bitter,tbh. It was only OP if you were too lazy to get it. Upset because someone managed to get away from your OP crusader when the fight turned sour? All you had to do was spend 300 tokens,and you could have had it too. Hell,for you Q's,that probably only took a day,what with all 600 of you crowding around the towers farming the 40 or so freeport people.</p><p>Too lazy to put in the effort to get something? Simple fix! Just cry for a nerf so it becomes useless.</p>

max.power
06-04-2010, 11:18 AM
<p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The the disc was OP (Period, end)</p><p>The fact that so many where willing to spend ungodly amounts of tokens to get it only proves the point. Just because it was difficult to get doesn't by any means change the fact it was OP. It just meant that only a few got to be OP. The disc gave, in essence, god-mode to any who had it in 1v1 combat against some who did not have it. You could EASILY flee if the fight wasn't going well or run down anyone who was trying to to same. You controlled the terms of the fight and who gets to win, reguardless of all other gear or skill.</p><p>Theres so much anger by some for one reason, they worked really hard to be OP, and now part of that work has been lost. I understand that, but, again, YOU STILL WHERE OP and a rebalance was needed.</p></blockquote><p>I wasn't able to buy my disc until the recent update at the lowered price of 300 tokens - an amount everyone that is SOMEWHAT PvPing can buy with ease now (I'm proof of that <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />). The lowered price is taking away the "OP"-part of that mount, simply because everyone can get it rather quickly.</p><p>Would that item have been a "must have"? Yes, but not more than PvP armor, jewelry etc. I encountered many people with the disc lately which put us on even ground. The in combat speed is just awesome, fights are way more fun!</p><p>Maybe 45% was too much? OK, lower it... say to 20%, how about that? I'm just tired of having to crawl at 0 speed as soon as I enter combat.</p><p>The disc was definitely OP in PvE (trivialised jousting in raids, running to certain spots and so on) and BGs because players from PvE servers couldn't get the item. Other than that? Not OP for open PvP anymore, it adds another level of experience to fights.</p><p>I understand the anger from PvE players, but why not just disable the speed in PvE and BGs? Lower it at the same time maybe but just disabling it all together after the item being available since the expansion launched is dumb and mean, especially as this items was given to us as a special reward for open PvP.</p>

JoarAddam
06-04-2010, 11:31 AM
<p><cite>edit bah, why don't i just read 6 pages before i reply</cite></p>

Stuckx
06-04-2010, 11:32 AM
<p><cite>JoarAddam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Olihin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The 45% in combat speed effect is to be active in PvP combat only.  </p><p>We should have the change as soon as possible without restricting its use for those actively engaging in Open PvP combat. </p><p><span style="color: #3366ff; font-size: large;">Olihin</span></p></blockquote><p>That's fine, but BG's are PVP combat and all servers are there.</p></blockquote><p>You didn't read his most recent post. In-combat runspeed is being removed completely.</p>

Darkor
06-04-2010, 11:32 AM
<p><cite>Olihin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ballads wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>aITEM -1311531784 -104796311<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />iscord's Prescient Disk/a</p><p><img src="http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l381/Ballads69/disk.jpg" /></p><p>45% in-combat movement speed? That just ridiculously good and an item anyone in game would like to have. Please put soem way we can this mount on PVE servers.</p><p>Edit stupid smiley</p></blockquote><p>The item has been changed as follow:</p><ul type="disc"><li><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri;">Discord’s Prescient Disk now grants increased power and 20 toughness instead of in combat speed. </span></span> </li><li><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri;">Discord’s Enduring Disk now grants increased health and 20 toughness instead of in combat speed.  </span></span> </li><li><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri;">Discord’s Prescient and Enduring Disks are now available through the Battleground vendors.</span></span></li><li><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri;">Discord’s Prescient and Enduring Disks can be exchanged for tokens through the Priest of Discord for a limited time.</span></span> </li></ul><p>The change increases the desirability of the item exclusively for PvP and Battlegrounds.  The 70% speed and featherfall effect is still available for this item.</p><p>Thank you,</p><p><span style="font-size: large; color: #3366ff;">Olihin</span></p></blockquote><p>Thanks for nothing Olihin. I hope more bluebies will come and interfer on our pvp server.</p>

Darkor
06-04-2010, 11:36 AM
<p>To the people saying it was OP. How can something, that is available to to EVERYONE OP? you can get the disk with a day or two pvping.</p>

BlueEternal
06-04-2010, 12:46 PM
<p><cite>Olihin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The change increases the desirability of the item exclusively for PvP and Battlegrounds.</p></blockquote><p>Lol....suuuuuure it will. Thats why you're offering a refund right? Something SOE usually never does. GG Olihin.</p>

Wytie
06-04-2010, 01:01 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>He probably couldnt make the speed pvp only(and not BG's), hense the chance at a refund, which is nice.</p></blockquote><p>A refund doesn't fix this. No one is going to buy this mount now,the only reason anyone wanted it was for the in-combat runspeed.</p><p>It pisses me off that a bluebie can whine about something that has absolutely no effect on them,or their server,and it gets nerfed..but it takes sony MONTHS to fix any simple bug or something that affects PVP gameplay,if they even fix it at all.</p><p>SoE does not care about their PVP servers,regardless of the show they try to put on by giving us a 'PVP dev',who apparently listens more to bluebies than he does the actual servers he's supposed to be catering to.</p><p>This game has gotten to the point where it's pretty much no fun to play..I've stopped logging in to raid,and the only reason I'm sticking around is to run level 80 BG's with my friends. The second any MMO comes out with PVP that is actually decent,I'll be dropping Eq2 for good. As it is90% of the time I used to spend playing Eq2,is now being spent playing FPS and strategy games.</p><p>PVP used to be fun,before bluebies got a taste of it in the battlegrounds,which inevitably lead to them pretty much controlling our server without even playing on it. Bluebie whines about something PVP related? It's hotfixed the next day.</p></blockquote><p>You're not paying attention.</p><p>It did effect them. I wont go into specifics because its not actually fixed yet.</p></blockquote><p>It didn't effect them at all. Their excuse was that it 'trivialized raid content' when it absolutely did not. About the only fight it would have made easier was Perah Celsis,and I've done that fight a hundred times without the mount.</p></blockquote><p>You are wrong. I am not talkn just about raiding.</p><p>Did you even read this thread?</p><p>Do you have one of these mounts?</p><p>Quite lieing to yourself.</p><p>The day I bought this mount I knew its days were numbered.</p></blockquote><p>Yea,I did,and the very first post is someone asking to get it on the blue servers. The second is some scrub complaining about PVPers having some massive advantage over PVE players,and the third is Ohilin saying the mount should only work in PVP,and that he was putting a change in for it.</p><p>After that,it's mostly people that don't even play on the PVP servers talking about how OP it is.</p><p>As I said,the mount was only OP if you were too lazy to put in the time and effort to get it.</p></blockquote><p>Yea well obviously that was Ohilin speaking before making sure.</p><p>I actually can understand why the bluebies are upset on this one.</p><p>Incombat run speed has always been the single most OP thing anyone could have in all aspecs of the game exp in pvp/bg combat. You know we would be mad as hell if they had access to this mount and we didnt and they were using it against us.</p><p>Meh I just wish they had left it alone and just added it to the bg merchant but then it would be a requirement for everyone on all servers because of its usefulness in pve, pvp, and bgs.</p>

noobsauce01
06-04-2010, 01:08 PM
<p><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>To the people saying it was OP. How can something, that is available to to EVERYONE OP? you can get the disk with a day or two pvping.</p></blockquote><p>In any MMO anything that is "OP" will very quick populate. It s true for EQ2. Just take a look at crusaders, can't sneeze without getting one covered in snot. </p><p>Now, take a look at the state of PvP mounts, look at what either everyone has or is trying to get. In time (short or long) anyone who wants to be successfull in PvP will NEED a disc. The simple fact that there is NO OTHER ITEM in the game that is like this. There are viable alterantives to every peice of gear that can make you successfull.</p><p>If the item is not OP then why is there so much emotion about the change. THe emotion is there because, whether you admit it or not, you know that the disc gives a decidely uneven advantage to some over some one who doesn't have one, making PvP on a disc either a draw or a farm fest. Now some will actually have to earn thier tokens vs. an equally gear/skilled player or, forbid, fight to the death.</p>

Stuckx
06-04-2010, 01:08 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>He probably couldnt make the speed pvp only(and not BG's), hense the chance at a refund, which is nice.</p></blockquote><p>A refund doesn't fix this. No one is going to buy this mount now,the only reason anyone wanted it was for the in-combat runspeed.</p><p>It pisses me off that a bluebie can whine about something that has absolutely no effect on them,or their server,and it gets nerfed..but it takes sony MONTHS to fix any simple bug or something that affects PVP gameplay,if they even fix it at all.</p><p>SoE does not care about their PVP servers,regardless of the show they try to put on by giving us a 'PVP dev',who apparently listens more to bluebies than he does the actual servers he's supposed to be catering to.</p><p>This game has gotten to the point where it's pretty much no fun to play..I've stopped logging in to raid,and the only reason I'm sticking around is to run level 80 BG's with my friends. The second any MMO comes out with PVP that is actually decent,I'll be dropping Eq2 for good. As it is90% of the time I used to spend playing Eq2,is now being spent playing FPS and strategy games.</p><p>PVP used to be fun,before bluebies got a taste of it in the battlegrounds,which inevitably lead to them pretty much controlling our server without even playing on it. Bluebie whines about something PVP related? It's hotfixed the next day.</p></blockquote><p>You're not paying attention.</p><p>It did effect them. I wont go into specifics because its not actually fixed yet.</p></blockquote><p>It didn't effect them at all. Their excuse was that it 'trivialized raid content' when it absolutely did not. About the only fight it would have made easier was Perah Celsis,and I've done that fight a hundred times without the mount.</p></blockquote><p>You are wrong. I am not talkn just about raiding.</p><p>Did you even read this thread?</p><p>Do you have one of these mounts?</p><p>Quite lieing to yourself.</p><p>The day I bought this mount I knew its days were numbered.</p></blockquote><p>Yea,I did,and the very first post is someone asking to get it on the blue servers. The second is some scrub complaining about PVPers having some massive advantage over PVE players,and the third is Ohilin saying the mount should only work in PVP,and that he was putting a change in for it.</p><p>After that,it's mostly people that don't even play on the PVP servers talking about how OP it is.</p><p>As I said,the mount was only OP if you were too lazy to put in the time and effort to get it.</p></blockquote><p>Yea well obviously that was Ohilin speaking before making sure.</p><p>I actually can understand why the bluebies are upset on this one.</p><p>Incombat run speed has always been the single most OP thing anyone could have in all aspecs of the game exp in pvp/bg combat. You know we would be mad as hell if they had access to this mount and we didnt and they were using it against us.</p><p>Meh I just wish they had left it alone and just added it to the bg merchant but then it would be a requirement for everyone on all servers because of its usefulness in pve, pvp, and bgs.</p></blockquote><p>I'm about 99% certain that it never worked in BG's. None of the mount speed works in BG's,the original poster wasn't even complaining about it..he just wanted a way to get one on PVE servers,and then somehow Ohilin jumped from making it a PVP only affect,to completely nerfing it to useless-ness.</p>

Stuckx
06-04-2010, 01:13 PM
<p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>To the people saying it was OP. How can something, that is available to to EVERYONE OP? you can get the disk with a day or two pvping.</p></blockquote><p> If the item is not OP then why is there so much emotion about the change. THe emotion is there because, whether you admit it or not, you know that the disc gives a decidely uneven advantage to some over some one who doesn't have one, making PvP on a disc either a draw or a farm fest. Now some will actually have to earn thier tokens vs. an equally gear/skilled player or, forbid, fight to the death.</p></blockquote><p>The anger is there because bluebies whined about something that didn't affect them in any way,and got it nerfed within a week of the post going up. It was the same with PVP jewelery..it took a whole week to get that nerfed.</p><p>Now,think about what generally happens anytime a PVPer brings up something that's actually broken,it can go for months without a single dev response,and usually wont even be fixed until the next expansion,and even then,it's a <a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> fix that breaks half the game for the PVP server.</p><p>PVP mount was not broken,and it was not OP. If your too lazy to put in the effort to get it,that's your own [Removed for Content] fault.</p>

Darkor
06-04-2010, 01:29 PM
<p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>To the people saying it was OP. How can something, that is available to to EVERYONE OP? you can get the disk with a day or two pvping.</p></blockquote><p>In any MMO anything that is "OP" will very quick populate. It s true for EQ2. Just take a look at crusaders, can't sneeze without getting one covered in snot. </p><p>Now, take a look at the state of PvP mounts, look at what either everyone has or is trying to get. In time (short or long) anyone who wants to be successfull in PvP will NEED a disc. The simple fact that there is NO OTHER ITEM in the game that is like this. There are viable alterantives to every peice of gear that can make you successfull.</p><p>If the item is not OP then why is there so much emotion about the change. THe emotion is there because, whether you admit it or not, you know that the disc gives a decidely uneven advantage to some over some one who doesn't have one, making PvP on a disc either a draw or a farm fest. Now some will actually have to earn thier tokens vs. an equally gear/skilled player or, forbid, fight to the death.</p></blockquote><p>You wrote a lot but you have not said anything. Ofcourse the item is desired, its really nice. But you still did not tell me how something, that EVERYONE can get OP? This is an item designed for every class and it can be obtained in a short time. So again, how is this OP then? Your whole logic is flawled because this is how the game works. People want best gear to compete, people want 250 AAs to be the best of the best, people want all masters, this is how the game works. But usually its stuff that is either very rare/hard to get or stuff that not EVERYONE can use that needs a fix. Because that would give unfair advantage for some classes. But i fail to see it in this example. The disk is for everyone, so again who has the disadvantage?</p>

alabama
06-04-2010, 01:54 PM
<p>exactly. it just goes to show the quality of our pvp dev at his job.</p><p>he either :</p><p>a) didnt realize how powerful in combat run speed is and put the item in anyways (which is a fail on the developers part since it is his job to understand the dynamics of the game he devs for)</p><p>b) understood how powerful in combat run speed is and gave us a special item for once (which would of been awsome for once but is fail because he just nerfed it into nothing like the original item)</p><p>was it OP? probably but the fact that everyone could get it after the first nerf solved that. then he went and ruined it altogether.</p><p>you clearly have no clue about mechanics,itemization,class balancing or how to keep your customers from thinking your a complete hack job. i actually was about to give a thumbs up for giving us a sweet item for once. then what happened...</p><p>and the statement about making it more desired.....wow just wow. i know your incompetent at your job but i didnt think you were that big of a fool.</p><p> you know what i think is funny too...how these posts on the changes went up during the time noone could post. trying to give everyone some time to cool down after the megablunder much?</p>

Uskeab
06-04-2010, 02:13 PM
<p>if a raid force would need this item to do something as simple as jousting, running to safe spot ect</p><p>then your raid force would have waaay bigger problems, like paying attention.</p><p>trivializing raid content? lol. get a clue and l2p    (anyone can get incombat speed..called SPRINT, available to EVERYONE)</p><p>thanks for the refund and for making this item totally useless and thanks for being our "pvp" dev</p><p>you must have drawn the short straw to get that job? do they pay you in peanuts?</p>

noobsauce01
06-04-2010, 02:14 PM
<p><cite>jjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>To the people saying it was OP. How can something, that is available to to EVERYONE OP? you can get the disk with a day or two pvping.</p></blockquote><p>In any MMO anything that is "OP" will very quick populate. It s true for EQ2. Just take a look at crusaders, can't sneeze without getting one covered in snot. </p><p>Now, take a look at the state of PvP mounts, look at what either everyone has or is trying to get. In time (short or long) anyone who wants to be successfull in PvP will NEED a disc. The simple fact that there is NO OTHER ITEM in the game that is like this. There are viable alterantives to every peice of gear that can make you successfull.</p><p>If the item is not OP then why is there so much emotion about the change. THe emotion is there because, whether you admit it or not, you know that the disc gives a decidely uneven advantage to some over some one who doesn't have one, making PvP on a disc either a draw or a farm fest. Now some will actually have to earn thier tokens vs. an equally gear/skilled player or, forbid, fight to the death.</p></blockquote><p>You wrote a lot but you have not said anything. Ofcourse the item is desired, its really nice. But you still did not tell me how something, that EVERYONE can get OP? This is an item designed for every class and it can be obtained in a short time. So again, how is this OP then? Your whole logic is flawled because this is how the game works. People want best gear to compete, people want 250 AAs to be the best of the best, people want all masters, this is how the game works. But usually its stuff that is either very rare/hard to get or stuff that not EVERYONE can use that needs a fix. Because that would give unfair advantage for some classes. But i fail to see it in this example. The disk is for everyone, so again who has the disadvantage?</p></blockquote><p>Im not saying I'm right, you wrong, a judgement on what is "OP" is just that, a judgement. According to your logic, everyone can make a SK, does that now mean they are not OP? Everyone could have rolled a wizzy prior to the patch a few weeks ago and ran around one shooting people, does that mean that the resists where not screwed up?</p><p>Of course not.. just because the availability is there, doesn't mean its not OP.  Some people just don't want to play a crusader and if the balance was as it should be they should have the option to play another class and still compete against a equally geared/skilled crusader. Same goes for the disc, if several other mounts offered the same buffs or similar ones then maybe you can claim there are options to balance, but that was not the case, and as such making this one item a "needed" item made it OP. You're opinoin is a good one, just I think mine is better. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Maybe I just have a differing standard of "OP". I judge "OP" as being something that gives a player an decidedly uneven advantage in-game vs another equally skill/geared player.</p><p>BTW..I accell at writing a lot and saying nothing, got me though most of english course work in HS and college <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p>

Stuckx
06-04-2010, 02:19 PM
<p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>jjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>To the people saying it was OP. How can something, that is available to to EVERYONE OP? you can get the disk with a day or two pvping.</p></blockquote><p>In any MMO anything that is "OP" will very quick populate. It s true for EQ2. Just take a look at crusaders, can't sneeze without getting one covered in snot. </p><p>Now, take a look at the state of PvP mounts, look at what either everyone has or is trying to get. In time (short or long) anyone who wants to be successfull in PvP will NEED a disc. The simple fact that there is NO OTHER ITEM in the game that is like this. There are viable alterantives to every peice of gear that can make you successfull.</p><p>If the item is not OP then why is there so much emotion about the change. THe emotion is there because, whether you admit it or not, you know that the disc gives a decidely uneven advantage to some over some one who doesn't have one, making PvP on a disc either a draw or a farm fest. Now some will actually have to earn thier tokens vs. an equally gear/skilled player or, forbid, fight to the death.</p></blockquote> Same goes for the disc, if several other mounts offered the same buffs or similar ones then maybe you can claim there are options to balance, but that was not the case, and as such making this one item a "needed" item made it OP.</blockquote></blockquote><p>This confuses me. There are two versions of this mount,easily obtainable by a day or two of PVP. How would having other mounts with the same buffs make it suddenly balanced? Are you trying to say it wouldn't be OP if there were 30 different versions of the same mount for sale?</p>

alabama
06-04-2010, 02:20 PM
<p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite></cite></p><p>Maybe I just have a differing standard of "OP". I judge "OP" as being something that gives a player an decidedly uneven advantage in-game vs another equally skill/geared player.</p></blockquote><p>then by you own definition this item was not OP because vs and equally skilled/geared player it would make no difference because both people would have the disk.</p><p>would it make a difference if one person had it and the other didnt? in most cases probably yes. does that make it op? hell no, not if everyone can get it easily. if 2 people were fighting and one had stun/stifle pots and the other didnt would it make a difference in the fight? probably yes, does that make the stun/stifle pots OP? hell no.</p>

noobsauce01
06-04-2010, 02:28 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>jjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>To the people saying it was OP. How can something, that is available to to EVERYONE OP? you can get the disk with a day or two pvping.</p></blockquote><p>In any MMO anything that is "OP" will very quick populate. It s true for EQ2. Just take a look at crusaders, can't sneeze without getting one covered in snot. </p><p>Now, take a look at the state of PvP mounts, look at what either everyone has or is trying to get. In time (short or long) anyone who wants to be successfull in PvP will NEED a disc. The simple fact that there is NO OTHER ITEM in the game that is like this. There are viable alterantives to every peice of gear that can make you successfull.</p><p>If the item is not OP then why is there so much emotion about the change. THe emotion is there because, whether you admit it or not, you know that the disc gives a decidely uneven advantage to some over some one who doesn't have one, making PvP on a disc either a draw or a farm fest. Now some will actually have to earn thier tokens vs. an equally gear/skilled player or, forbid, fight to the death.</p></blockquote> Same goes for the disc, if several other mounts offered the same buffs or similar ones then maybe you can claim there are options to balance, but that was not the case, and as such making this one item a "needed" item made it OP.</blockquote></blockquote><p>This confuses me. There are two versions of this mount,easily obtainable by a day or two of PVP. How would having other mounts with the same buffs make it suddenly balanced? Are you trying to say it wouldn't be OP if there were 30 different versions of the same mount for sale?</p></blockquote><p>Let me clarify..</p><p>What I am saying is that if the 45% in-combat run speed was attainable else where, either thought AA trees, food/pots, maybe a rare quest item, other mounts that could be earning by other means, then, IMO, the dic would not be OP. But, when you make just one item (two version) the only source of the buff, and the buff itself bestows such a HUGE advantage then yes, it is OP.</p><p>The "love" of the item was that it gave a huge advantage over anyone who does not have a disc, and those players are, at this stage in the game the vaste majority, IE it made the the minority OP, border line god-mode.</p>

Stuckx
06-04-2010, 02:31 PM
<p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>jjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>To the people saying it was OP. How can something, that is available to to EVERYONE OP? you can get the disk with a day or two pvping.</p></blockquote><p>In any MMO anything that is "OP" will very quick populate. It s true for EQ2. Just take a look at crusaders, can't sneeze without getting one covered in snot. </p><p>Now, take a look at the state of PvP mounts, look at what either everyone has or is trying to get. In time (short or long) anyone who wants to be successfull in PvP will NEED a disc. The simple fact that there is NO OTHER ITEM in the game that is like this. There are viable alterantives to every peice of gear that can make you successfull.</p><p>If the item is not OP then why is there so much emotion about the change. THe emotion is there because, whether you admit it or not, you know that the disc gives a decidely uneven advantage to some over some one who doesn't have one, making PvP on a disc either a draw or a farm fest. Now some will actually have to earn thier tokens vs. an equally gear/skilled player or, forbid, fight to the death.</p></blockquote>Same goes for the disc, if several other mounts offered the same buffs or similar ones then maybe you can claim there are options to balance, but that was not the case, and as such making this one item a "needed" item made it OP.</blockquote></blockquote><p>This confuses me. There are two versions of this mount,easily obtainable by a day or two of PVP. How would having other mounts with the same buffs make it suddenly balanced? Are you trying to say it wouldn't be OP if there were 30 different versions of the same mount for sale?</p></blockquote><p>Let me clarify..</p><p>What I am saying is that if the 45% in-combat run speed was attainable else where, either thought AA trees, food/pots, maybe a rare quest item, other mounts that could be earning by other means, then, IMO, the dic would not be OP. But, when you make just one item (two version) the only source of the buff, and the buff itself bestows such a HUGE advantge then yes, it is OP.</p><p>The "love" of the item was that it gave a huge advantage over anyone who does not have a disc, and those players are, at this stage in the game the vaste majority, IE it made the the minority OP, border line gode-mode.</p></blockquote><p>Your logic does not work. If something is OP because it can only be obtained by one method,then that would make Raid gear OP since you cannot obtain it through PVP,and the procs and adornments will give you a huge advantage in PVP.</p><p>The disk was easily obtainable,and if you did not have it,then it was your own fault..this doesn't make it OP in any way.</p>

alabama
06-04-2010, 02:40 PM
<p>comon its not like these were stoneskin avatar boots that noone else could get in the game. this was obtainable by everyone (after the first nerf) for 300 tokens.</p><p> 300 tokens is a walk in the park for an item like this. hell i would of payed 1000 or 1500 for it.</p><p>would it give the guy wearing one an advantage over a guy not wearing one..yup. did t8 pvp jewelery procs give an advantage to the people wearing them vs people who didnt have em? yep.</p><p>did mythical weapons give an advantage vs people who didnt have em? yep.</p><p>does getting master spells give you an advantage vs someone whos using app 1s? yup</p><p>this is what the freakin game is about. you work to obtain items and upgrades that allow you to have an advantage against other people you fight. if you dodnt wanna put in the work then you dont deserve to have the same abilities that someone who put in the work has.</p><p>seems like everything they have done to this game for the last 2 years has done nothing but dumbed down the game.</p>

Wytie
06-04-2010, 02:41 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>He probably couldnt make the speed pvp only(and not BG's), hense the chance at a refund, which is nice.</p></blockquote><p>A refund doesn't fix this. No one is going to buy this mount now,the only reason anyone wanted it was for the in-combat runspeed.</p><p>It pisses me off that a bluebie can whine about something that has absolutely no effect on them,or their server,and it gets nerfed..but it takes sony MONTHS to fix any simple bug or something that affects PVP gameplay,if they even fix it at all.</p><p>SoE does not care about their PVP servers,regardless of the show they try to put on by giving us a 'PVP dev',who apparently listens more to bluebies than he does the actual servers he's supposed to be catering to.</p><p>This game has gotten to the point where it's pretty much no fun to play..I've stopped logging in to raid,and the only reason I'm sticking around is to run level 80 BG's with my friends. The second any MMO comes out with PVP that is actually decent,I'll be dropping Eq2 for good. As it is90% of the time I used to spend playing Eq2,is now being spent playing FPS and strategy games.</p><p>PVP used to be fun,before bluebies got a taste of it in the battlegrounds,which inevitably lead to them pretty much controlling our server without even playing on it. Bluebie whines about something PVP related? It's hotfixed the next day.</p></blockquote><p>You're not paying attention.</p><p>It did effect them. I wont go into specifics because its not actually fixed yet.</p></blockquote><p>It didn't effect them at all. Their excuse was that it 'trivialized raid content' when it absolutely did not. About the only fight it would have made easier was Perah Celsis,and I've done that fight a hundred times without the mount.</p></blockquote><p>You are wrong. I am not talkn just about raiding.</p><p>Did you even read this thread?</p><p>Do you have one of these mounts?</p><p>Quite lieing to yourself.</p><p>The day I bought this mount I knew its days were numbered.</p></blockquote><p>Yea,I did,and the very first post is someone asking to get it on the blue servers. The second is some scrub complaining about PVPers having some massive advantage over PVE players,and the third is Ohilin saying the mount should only work in PVP,and that he was putting a change in for it.</p><p>After that,it's mostly people that don't even play on the PVP servers talking about how OP it is.</p><p>As I said,the mount was only OP if you were too lazy to put in the time and effort to get it.</p></blockquote><p>Yea well obviously that was Ohilin speaking before making sure.</p><p>I actually can understand why the bluebies are upset on this one.</p><p>Incombat run speed has always been the single most OP thing anyone could have in all aspecs of the game exp in pvp/bg combat. You know we would be mad as hell if they had access to this mount and we didnt and they were using it against us.</p><p>Meh I just wish they had left it alone and just added it to the bg merchant but then it would be a requirement for everyone on all servers because of its usefulness in pve, pvp, and bgs.</p></blockquote><p>I'm about 99% certain that it never worked in BG's. None of the mount speed works in BG's,the original poster wasn't even complaining about it..he just wanted a way to get one on PVE servers,and then somehow Ohilin jumped from making it a PVP only affect,to completely nerfing it to useless-ness.</p></blockquote><p>You might want to make a 100% certain before you make a post like Ohilin and put your foot in your mouth.</p><p>You obviously dont have this mount because you now have no idea what you are talkn about. GG</p>

BlueEternal
06-04-2010, 03:01 PM
<p><cite>alabama wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>comon its not like these were stoneskin avatar boots that noone else could get in the game. this was obtainable by everyone (after the first nerf) for 300 tokens.</p><p> 300 tokens is a walk in the park for an item like this. hell i would of payed 1000 or 1500 for it.</p><p>would it give the guy wearing one an advantage over a guy not wearing one..yup. did t8 pvp jewelery procs give an advantage to the people wearing them vs people who didnt have em? yep.</p><p>did mythical weapons give an advantage vs people who didnt have em? yep.</p><p>does getting master spells give you an advantage vs someone whos using app 1s? yup</p><p>this is what the freakin game is about. you work to obtain items and upgrades that allow you to have an advantage against other people you fight. if you dodnt wanna put in the work then you dont deserve to have the same abilities that someone who put in the work has.</p><p>seems like everything they have done to this game for the last 2 years has done nothing but dumbed down the game.</p></blockquote><p>SOE has pretty much given up on making any person unique in this game. They took the lazy way out and ditched class specific armor sets for generic pieces of armor and weapons that everyone has to use to be able to survive in pvp. The EOF,ROK, and TSO sets were pretty well made, not perfect..but they atleast had some thought put into them. The only items that can even remotely be called "unique" can be purchased on the station market!</p><p>Edit: And dont even get me started about the rehashed jewelry. How many followthrough procs does one really need? o.O</p>

Valdar
06-04-2010, 03:07 PM
<p><cite>Olihin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The item has been changed as follow:</p><ul type="disc"><li><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 10pt;">Discord’s Prescient Disk now grants increased power and 20 toughness instead of in combat speed. </span></span></li><li><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 10pt;">Discord’s Enduring Disk now grants increased health and 20 toughness instead of in combat speed.  </span></span></li><li><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 10pt;">Discord’s Prescient and Enduring Disks are now available through the Battleground vendors.</span></span></li><li><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 10pt;">Discord’s Prescient and Enduring Disks can be exchanged for tokens through the Priest of Discord for a limited time.</span></span> </li></ul><p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">The change increases the desirability of the item exclusively for PvP and Battlegrounds.</span></strong>  The 70% speed and featherfall effect is still available for this item.</p><p>Thank you,</p><p><span style="color: #3366ff; font-size: large;">Olihin</span></p></blockquote><p>LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.....</p><p>Whatever you have been smoking please send me some!</p>

Darkor
06-04-2010, 03:12 PM
<p>Sorry olihin, that move was fail.</p>

Valdar
06-04-2010, 03:18 PM
<p>300 Tokens for 20 toughness, this is so desirable!</p><p>This post,  the one about upgrading the pre-season pvp gear and the Lagfields update make me feel like you have never even played 5 minutes on a pvp server, don't understand the game or it's players so before you launch any other "Great Idea" please take a step back and don't.</p>

noobsauce01
06-04-2010, 03:33 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>jjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>To the people saying it was OP. How can something, that is available to to EVERYONE OP? you can get the disk with a day or two pvping.</p></blockquote><p>In any MMO anything that is "OP" will very quick populate. It s true for EQ2. Just take a look at crusaders, can't sneeze without getting one covered in snot. </p><p>Now, take a look at the state of PvP mounts, look at what either everyone has or is trying to get. In time (short or long) anyone who wants to be successfull in PvP will NEED a disc. The simple fact that there is NO OTHER ITEM in the game that is like this. There are viable alterantives to every peice of gear that can make you successfull.</p><p>If the item is not OP then why is there so much emotion about the change. THe emotion is there because, whether you admit it or not, you know that the disc gives a decidely uneven advantage to some over some one who doesn't have one, making PvP on a disc either a draw or a farm fest. Now some will actually have to earn thier tokens vs. an equally gear/skilled player or, forbid, fight to the death.</p></blockquote>Same goes for the disc, if several other mounts offered the same buffs or similar ones then maybe you can claim there are options to balance, but that was not the case, and as such making this one item a "needed" item made it OP.</blockquote></blockquote><p>This confuses me. There are two versions of this mount,easily obtainable by a day or two of PVP. How would having other mounts with the same buffs make it suddenly balanced? Are you trying to say it wouldn't be OP if there were 30 different versions of the same mount for sale?</p></blockquote><p>Let me clarify..</p><p>What I am saying is that if the 45% in-combat run speed was attainable else where, either thought AA trees, food/pots, maybe a rare quest item, other mounts that could be earning by other means, then, IMO, the dic would not be OP. But, when you make just one item (two version) the only source of the buff, and the buff itself bestows such a HUGE advantge then yes, it is OP.</p><p>The "love" of the item was that it gave a huge advantage over anyone who does not have a disc, and those players are, at this stage in the game the vaste majority, IE it made the the minority OP, border line gode-mode.</p></blockquote><p>Your logic does not work. If something is OP because it can only be obtained by one method,then that would make Raid gear OP since you cannot obtain it through PVP,and the procs and adornments will give you a huge advantage in PVP.</p><p>The disk was easily obtainable,and if you did not have it,then it was your own fault..this doesn't make it OP in any way.</p></blockquote><p>Last comment on the subject..</p><p>If there is ONE piece of raid gear that if your opponent doesn't have you are enabled you to win or escape every 1v1 encounter ingnoring all skill and all other gear are equal then please name it, because I'd agree its OP too..I can name a mount that does just that...</p>

Uskeab
06-04-2010, 03:53 PM
<p>Anyone willing to spend a little time afking in a warfield could easily afford one.</p><p>If you dont have one, then you probably dont pvp, so dont cry because someone with i,t that took the time to get one ,killed you while you were out blueby-ing it up and you coudlnt run away and save your 12 gold.</p>

Darkor
06-04-2010, 04:06 PM
<p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>jjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>To the people saying it was OP. How can something, that is available to to EVERYONE OP? you can get the disk with a day or two pvping.</p></blockquote><p>In any MMO anything that is "OP" will very quick populate. It s true for EQ2. Just take a look at crusaders, can't sneeze without getting one covered in snot. </p><p>Now, take a look at the state of PvP mounts, look at what either everyone has or is trying to get. In time (short or long) anyone who wants to be successfull in PvP will NEED a disc. The simple fact that there is NO OTHER ITEM in the game that is like this. There are viable alterantives to every peice of gear that can make you successfull.</p><p>If the item is not OP then why is there so much emotion about the change. THe emotion is there because, whether you admit it or not, you know that the disc gives a decidely uneven advantage to some over some one who doesn't have one, making PvP on a disc either a draw or a farm fest. Now some will actually have to earn thier tokens vs. an equally gear/skilled player or, forbid, fight to the death.</p></blockquote>Same goes for the disc, if several other mounts offered the same buffs or similar ones then maybe you can claim there are options to balance, but that was not the case, and as such making this one item a "needed" item made it OP.</blockquote></blockquote><p>This confuses me. There are two versions of this mount,easily obtainable by a day or two of PVP. How would having other mounts with the same buffs make it suddenly balanced? Are you trying to say it wouldn't be OP if there were 30 different versions of the same mount for sale?</p></blockquote><p>Let me clarify..</p><p>What I am saying is that if the 45% in-combat run speed was attainable else where, either thought AA trees, food/pots, maybe a rare quest item, other mounts that could be earning by other means, then, IMO, the dic would not be OP. But, when you make just one item (two version) the only source of the buff, and the buff itself bestows such a HUGE advantge then yes, it is OP.</p><p>The "love" of the item was that it gave a huge advantage over anyone who does not have a disc, and those players are, at this stage in the game the vaste majority, IE it made the the minority OP, border line gode-mode.</p></blockquote><p>Your logic does not work. If something is OP because it can only be obtained by one method,then that would make Raid gear OP since you cannot obtain it through PVP,and the procs and adornments will give you a huge advantage in PVP.</p><p>The disk was easily obtainable,and if you did not have it,then it was your own fault..this doesn't make it OP in any way.</p></blockquote><p>Last comment on the subject..</p><p>If there is ONE piece of raid gear that if your opponent doesn't have you are enabled you to win or escape every 1v1 encounter ingnoring all skill and all other gear are equal then please name it, because I'd agree its OP too..I can name a mount that does just that...</p></blockquote><p>First off: You are making something out of that mount that is not true. The mount is nice, really NICE but it is not game breaking. Im 100 % sure i could get away from people that have the mount when i disable mine. Also what if 2 healers are fighting each other? Do you think the mount does any difference? Or when 2 tanks are? No it wont make a difference. Now lets just imagine this mount is even SLIGHTLY op (because i believe it isnt) where exactly is the problem? Everyone, regardless of playstyle, can get this mount. Every class can use it and every single person on the server can get it, no matte what lvl they are. So again, why is there a need to nerf it when everyone has it?</p>

Putyo
06-04-2010, 04:12 PM
<p>All you can really do is laugh at this, I have long given up hope that the devs know anything about the game they are playing, its clearer with every post Oilthin makes he does not pvp for any length of time. He learned nothing about the horrible things wrong with the GU on test and that is pretty depressing, now we wait for 6 more months until the next GU so they can fix the problems we are having now and then introduce 10 more problems we have to wait until the expansion to fix.</p><p>This item should not have even gone live in the first place and its pathetic that instead of figuring out how to fix it they just take it away, but what else can we really expect?</p><p>I still liked it better when we had no pvp dev, as sad as it is to say that.</p>

Jingel
06-04-2010, 04:22 PM
<p>the problem is that ppl they will lose a fight starting to run. look at all the little SKs they running around with these item, they jump into a grp and run away.</p><p>i like the change and i do alot pvp..............but i hate the runners, and we have alot of them on naggy on both sides and this is sad.</p><p>and since the WFs going live you dont have a 1vs1 anymore its a mega brawl in CL or in Freeport city</p>

Crismorn
06-04-2010, 04:52 PM
<p>It's your own fault for not petitioning this item the minute you realized it worked outside of open pvp.</p><p>As for the poster above me, you probably wont have to save tokens for the next op'd item, you guys have a record of  exploiting anything and everything.</p><p>Im guessing that future pvp items have nothing unique on them so they can avoid these issues in the future</p>

Stuckx
06-04-2010, 04:56 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's your own fault for not petitioning this item the minute you realized it worked outside of open pvp.</p><p>As for the poster above me, you probably wont have to save tokens for the next op'd item, you guys have a record of  exploiting anything and everything.</p><p>Im guessing that future pvp items have nothing unique on them so they can avoid these issues in the future</p></blockquote><p>It's our fault for not petitioning and item that was working exactly as intended? No where did it say "PVP only" or that it wouldn't work in PVE. I don't even care that it worked in PVE.I got it for PVP,and now that part of it has been taken away too.</p><p>PVP servers aren't the only ones with exploiters,btw..and the fact that you think so just shows your ignorance. I'd bet all my plat that PVE servers have exploited just as much as the PVP server.</p>

Uskeab
06-04-2010, 05:00 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's your own fault for not petitioning this item the minute you realized it worked outside of open pvp.</p><p>As for the poster above me, you probably wont have to save tokens for the next op'd item, you guys have a record of  exploiting anything and everything.</p><p>Im guessing that future pvp items have nothing unique on them so they can avoid these issues in the future</p></blockquote><p>Ok listen here guy,</p><p>IT NEVER SAID THAT IT WAS PVP ONLY ON THE MOUNT. THERE WAS NO REASON TO PETITION AN ITEM FOR WORKING AS ITS DESCRIPTION STATED!</p><p>clear enough for you?</p><p>now head back to your blue server where NONE of this stuff affects you in any way and LEAVE OUR SERVER ALONE!</p><p>PS  TRY TO BG BETTER</p>

Shareana
06-04-2010, 05:23 PM
<p>Possible Exploits are NOT to be posted on the forums....  it is better to do an in game /bug or PM the Dev in charge....</p>

Neskonlith
06-04-2010, 05:38 PM
<p><cite>Shareana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Exploits are NOT to be posted on the forums....  <span style="color: #ff00ff; font-size: small;">it is better to do an in game /bug or PM the Dev in charge</span>....</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Since the PM system is currently not working and I cannot log into game until quite late, can you escalate this query to Olihin?</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Good thing no real details were posted, but last night I've read mentions of something like this in chat, and I assumed it was merely another troll to stir up lulz.  </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Now, today someone else posts a vague outline of that something being openly discussed in chat channels, so now I am curious to find out if I am missing out on something to do something with something if it is a legal opportunity!</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">If it is a valid something, please let us Token-hungry noobs currently in the dark know how it is being done.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Thanks!</span></p>

sdaigneault
06-04-2010, 05:42 PM
<p><cite>Olihin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The item has been changed as follow:</p><ul type="disc"><li><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri;">Discord’s Prescient Disk now grants increased power and 20 toughness instead of in combat speed. </span></span> </li><li><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri;">Discord’s Enduring Disk now grants increased health and 20 toughness instead of in combat speed.  </span></span> </li><li><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri;">Discord’s Prescient and Enduring Disks are now available through the Battleground vendors.</span></span></li><li><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri;">Discord’s Prescient and Enduring Disks can be exchanged for tokens through the Priest of Discord for a limited time.</span></span> </li></ul><p>The change increases the desirability of the item exclusively for PvP and Battlegrounds.  The 70% speed and featherfall effect is still available for this item.</p><p>Thank you,</p><p><span style="font-size: large; color: #3366ff;">Olihin</span></p></blockquote><p>Thanks for letting us exchange this for a refund. Sucks, but glad I'm not losing tokens.</p><p>Now, can someone please make sure our class defining abilities like Battle Frenzy and Dogma work correctly in PVE? Right now, these abilities use PVP values in PVE encounters.</p><p>What joy to be on a PVP server!!</p>

Putyo
06-04-2010, 06:07 PM
<p>Hey when the staff completely changes 2 months away from next expac when can prepare ourselves for a new era of crap except this time we dont need to raise our expectations, just continue lowering them.</p>

Notsovilepriest
06-04-2010, 06:15 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's your own fault for not petitioning this item the minute you realized it worked outside of open pvp.</p><p>As for the poster above me, you probably wont have to save tokens for the next op'd item, you guys have a record of  exploiting anything and everything.</p><p>Im guessing that future pvp items have nothing unique on them so they can avoid these issues in the future</p></blockquote><p>Exploiting anything and everything? Like VP was exploited to get myths by blue servers. Like AoM and Anashti contested were exploited with 5+ groups by...blue servers. Notice a pattern? How would we know that it wasn't working as intended since it didn't state it was intended for only PvP combat. To top that off, If a raid force (which is what most of you were worried about) needs this item to complete any encounter effectively then I would look at your members attention span because all encounters are designed with 0% runspeed in combat assumed, It can easily be done with 0, but 45 does help, but doesn't totally trivalize since...jousting isn't that hard.</p>

Darkor
06-04-2010, 07:26 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>the problem is that ppl they will lose a fight starting to run. look at all the little SKs they running around with these item, they jump into a grp and run away.</p><p>i like the change and i do alot pvp..............but i hate the runners, and we have alot of them on naggy on both sides and this is sad.</p><p>and since the WFs going live you dont have a 1vs1 anymore its a mega brawl in CL or in Freeport city</p></blockquote><p>I am the only one not understanding this? I mean the SK runs away with his disk and you follow him with your disk. Where exactly is the difference now?!?!</p>

Crismorn
06-04-2010, 07:55 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's your own fault for not petitioning this item the minute you realized it worked outside of open pvp.</p><p>As for the poster above me, you probably wont have to save tokens for the next op'd item, you guys have a record of  exploiting anything and everything.</p><p>Im guessing that future pvp items have nothing unique on them so they can avoid these issues in the future</p></blockquote><p>Ok listen here guy,</p><p>IT NEVER SAID THAT IT WAS PVP ONLY ON THE MOUNT. THERE WAS NO REASON TO PETITION AN ITEM FOR WORKING AS ITS DESCRIPTION STATED!</p><p>clear enough for you?</p><p><strong>now head back to your blue server where NONE of this stuff affects you in any way and LEAVE OUR SERVER ALONE!</strong></p><p><strong> </strong></p><p><strong>PS  TRY TO BG BETTER</strong></p></blockquote><p>The item was working unintended, thats why it was changed and thats why this thread was started.</p><p>You should be thankful for being able to get a refund, negligence should never be a viable excuse.</p>

Ralpmet
06-04-2010, 08:09 PM
<p>Except when it's legitimately the fault of the person who made the item. So what it's a pvp item? Should I be feedbacking all my bg proc gear on my coercer*? That stuff procs PVE, clearly intended for pvp use.</p><p>Get off your high horse and understand that people don't assume everything is bugged. At the cost when it was first released (700? 750?) tokens to pay for 45% incombat run speed was a decent tradeoff. You could buy an entire new set of gear on a toon (well, at least almost all of the armor) or pay to get runspeed. Seems pretty legit to me, eh?</p><p>Edit: Can't think of anything that bothers me more than a whiner on a high horse.</p><p>*Bg proc gear = Pvp proc gear. All the same crap.</p>

Muusic
06-04-2010, 09:15 PM
<p><cite>sdaigneault wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Thanks for letting us exchange this for a refund. Sucks, but glad I'm not losing tokens.</p><p>Now, can someone please make sure our class defining abilities like Battle Frenzy and Dogma work correctly in PVE? Right now, these abilities use PVP values in PVE encounters.</p><p>What joy to be on a PVP server!!</p></blockquote><p>Where did it say anything about a refund?  I would really like to see that because there is no way I would have given up my Abyssal carpet with an extra 1%potency and 200 health/power for 200 health/20 toughness, but the ability to catch and kill all those annoying little rangers that run away and come back 20 times in a fight was worth every one of the 300 I paid for it.</p>

Uskeab
06-04-2010, 11:48 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em><strong>The item was working unintended, thats why it was changed and thats why this thread was started.</strong></em></span></p><p>You should be thankful for being able to get a refund, negligence should never be a viable excuse.</p></blockquote><p>And because some people crawled into their troll suits to cry nerf on an item that in no way affected their server.</p><p> i could care less what happens on a blue server. it doesnt affect me, you should do the same, but you feel high and mighty RPing on the forums that you are holier than thou and justice for all.</p><p>Your justice doesnt work on a red server. you have no right to comment on ANYTHING that involves a pvp server.</p><p>PERIOD</p>

Crismorn
06-05-2010, 03:22 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em><strong>The item was working unintended, thats why it was changed and thats why this thread was started.</strong></em></span></p><p>You should be thankful for being able to get a refund, negligence should never be a viable excuse.</p></blockquote><p>And because some people crawled into their troll suits to cry nerf on an item that in no way affected their server.</p><p> i could care less what happens on a blue server. it doesnt affect me, you should do the same, but you feel high and mighty RPing on the forums that you are holier than thou and justice for all.</p><p>Your justice doesnt work on a red server. you have no right to comment on ANYTHING that involves a pvp server.</p><p>PERIOD</p></blockquote><p>That mount should not have worked outside of open world pvp, instead of petitioning it right away when you realized it worked where it should not have you now have a mount that is worthless in all types of gameplay.  Chances are if you did petition it righy away then it would still work in open world pvp</p><p>Future items will lose their cool factor because of this and this servers history of exploiting anything and everything.</p><p>You doomed youselves, grats</p>

Uskeab
06-05-2010, 03:55 AM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>That mount should not have worked outside of open world pvp, instead of petitioning it right away when you realized it worked where it should not have you now have a mount that is worthless in all types of gameplay.  Chances are if you did petition it righy away then it would still work in open world pvp</p><p>Future items will lose their cool factor because of this and this servers history of exploiting anything and everything.</p><p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em><strong>You doomed youselves, grats</strong></em></span></p></blockquote><p>oh no we're doomed!</p><p>we are doomed because of people like you that stick your nose where it doesnt belong and that spews unwarranted acccusations of "mass exploitation"  when you do not play on our server and are clueless to what goes on here other than what other forum trolls cry about.</p><p>and because pvp is a joke at SOE and our dev is aparently scared of blue server players</p><p>Congrats on being in one of the top blueb guilds ez mode game.</p>

Crismorn
06-05-2010, 04:59 AM
<p>Just reflect on all the fun you had using a broken item</p>

max.power
06-05-2010, 06:23 AM
<p><cite>noobsauce01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Let me clarify..</p><p>What I am saying is that if the 45% in-combat run speed was attainable else where, either thought AA trees, food/pots, maybe a rare quest item, other mounts that could be earning by other means, then, IMO, the dic would not be OP. But, when you make just one item (two version) the only source of the buff, and the buff itself bestows such a HUGE advantage then yes, it is OP.</p></blockquote><p>OK, this is a valid point. I thought about what you were saying and I think I understand now.</p><p>The IC speed itself isn't the problem for you, the problem is that there is no other item with the same effect, means: To be competitive the disk is a must - which is a bit unlucky because instead of that mount a caster would rather have a mount with potency, disruption... a fighter/scout with parry or defense and so on and the IC effect on another item.</p><p>Hopefully we will see more than one item on the PvP and BG merchants with IC run speed in the future, maybe lowered to 20%. This way we will be able to choose in which slot we want the effect and which stats we want to sacrifice for it.</p><p>Facts about the disk:</p><p>- The IC speed works in PvE making certain raid encounters easier. No game breaker since it makes them just easier, not NOT doable without the disk, but I understand the bitterness from PvE players since they can't get it. The fix would have been: "Must be in PvP combat".</p><p>- The IC speed works in BGs. Yes, it does, don't even try to deny it please. Unfair advantage against PvE players, they can't get the disk. The fix could have been to disable the IC speed in BGs but like Paill mentioned: Maybe the game mechanics can't seperate "open world PvP combat" from "BG combat" making it impossible right now to have it in one setting but not in the other. We actually don't know, only Olihin could bring light into this.</p><p>Yes, the fastest and easiest fix is to disable the IC speed all together. It isn't right though because this items exists since months and was a very good, expensive reward, especially created for us for open world PvP.</p>

Jingel
06-05-2010, 08:37 AM
<p><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>the problem is that ppl they will lose a fight starting to run. look at all the little SKs they running around with these item, they jump into a grp and run away.</p><p>i like the change and i do alot pvp..............but i hate the runners, and we have alot of them on naggy on both sides and this is sad.</p><p>and since the WFs going live you dont have a 1vs1 anymore its a mega brawl in CL or in Freeport city</p></blockquote><p>I am the only one not understanding this? I mean the SK runs away with his disk and you follow him with your disk. Where exactly is the difference now?!?!</p></blockquote><p>i didnt buy the disk because i didnt run away and didnt like it. why did ya play on a pvp server if you wanna run ???</p><p>i dont like the PVP runspeed..............PVE i would think its okay for raid or anything else.</p>

Guld_Ulrish
06-05-2010, 08:39 AM
<p>When did the pve ppl start to run the pvp servers? Just remove the runspeed from BG and keep it in pvp.</p><p>Ohh an since you are so fast at getting stuff done when ppl ween ween, how about fix so summoners pets dont become app1 in BG? It has been three updates since the bug started and yet you have done nothing.</p><p>So how about fixing real problems instead?</p>

Darry
06-05-2010, 09:34 AM
<p>I wish the PvE people ran the PvP servers we might actually get things fixed in a timely fashion.</p><p>To whatever person it was that said I couldn't get this mount or was ony posting because I was bitter people could run away from my OP crusader they really need to realise that not everyone likes to use something that clearly breaks the game. Funny also that he has 2k kills and lecturing someone on PvP =[</p>

Shareana
06-05-2010, 10:35 AM
<p>We can debate the whole issue without insults please....</p>

MMKA
06-05-2010, 10:47 AM
<p>It was no more OP than a ranger with high end raid gear putting 20 dots on you that you couldn't possibly cure and perma-rooting you until you are dead.</p>

Uskeab
06-05-2010, 12:54 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just reflect on all the fun you had using a broken item</p></blockquote><p>just reflect on the fact that this has nothing to do with you. go back to your ez server, where everything is easy</p><p>can we make it so in order to post in pvp forums, you must have a toon on pvp server and have gotten rolled by a group 10 levels higher and teabagged repeatedly, then let them post</p>

Darry
06-05-2010, 01:10 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just reflect on all the fun you had using a broken item</p></blockquote><p>just reflect on the fact that this has nothing to do with you. go back to your ez server, where everything is easy</p><p>can we make it so in order to post in pvp forums, you must have a toon on pvp server and have gotten rolled by a group 10 levels higher and teabagged repeatedly, then let them post</p></blockquote><p>People like you are the reason people think everyone who rolls on a PvP server is a complete [Removed for Content], please never post again.</p><p>Edit: Typo</p>

Uskeab
06-05-2010, 01:24 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just reflect on all the fun you had using a broken item</p></blockquote><p>just reflect on the fact that this has nothing to do with you. go back to your ez server, where everything is easy</p><p>can we make it so in order to post in pvp forums, you must have a toon on pvp server and have gotten rolled by a group 10 levels higher and teabagged repeatedly, then let them post</p></blockquote><p>People like you are the reason people think everyone who rolls on a PvP server is a complete [Removed for Content], please never post again.</p><p>Edit: Typo</p></blockquote><p>what specifically is it that brings you to believe i am a [Removed for Content]. please explain</p><p>untill you have played on pvp, then you have no right to dictate what happens on a pvp server. PERIOD</p>

Putyo
06-05-2010, 08:12 PM
<p>hey guys when you are exploiting tokens maybe its not a good idea to stand at the self mentor guy and hail the pvp writ giver over and over.</p><p>its ok its the weekend we dont need to patch this horribly game breaking exploit, LETS GRILL</p>

Sadussa
06-05-2010, 08:44 PM
<p><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>To the people saying it was OP. How can something, that is available to to EVERYONE OP? you can get the disk with a day or two pvping.</p></blockquote><p>Rangers were avail for all to roll just like sk and pallies are avail...does availability of an item make it op? are kidding me? thats the stupidist argument i have herd.  Tech any item on the server is avail so using this insane logic would mean nothing is op.Since any item on the server avail to any person on that server i hope any one with a little bit of comon sence would agree avail has no bearing on being op.what makes an item op is its impact it has on the game and the gaming enviorment.       Does having</p>

Stuckx
06-05-2010, 09:03 PM
<p><cite>Sadussa wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>To the people saying it was OP. How can something, that is available to to EVERYONE OP? you can get the disk with a day or two pvping.</p></blockquote><p>Rangers were avail for all to roll just like sk and pallies are avail...does availability of an item make it op? are kidding me? thats the stupidist argument i have herd.  Tech any item on the server is avail so using this insane logic would mean nothing is op.Since any item on the server avail to any person on that server i hope any one with a little bit of comon sence would agree avail has no bearing on being op.what makes an item op is its impact it has on the game and the gaming enviorment.       Does having</p></blockquote><p> No,what makes something OP is when that something  gives someone a distinct advantage that is completely un-obtainable by the other person. The disk gives an advantage,but any [Removed for Content] that puts in a day or two of effort can get it.</p>

Taldier
06-05-2010, 10:18 PM
<p>Lets be honest.  The disk was op.</p><p>It makes you nearly unkillable to any player/group/raid/"massive swarm of 50 q's" which isnt using the disks. </p><p>While this is extremely entertaining for a few days, it is somewhat ridiculous that no effect remotely like this in scale exists on anything else in the game.</p><p>Tbh, as long as I can sell it back for tokens Im actually glad I wont be forced to pvp on a mount just to be competitive.</p>

Stuckx
06-05-2010, 10:31 PM
<p>First..they introduced a /hide mount affect. You retain the speedbuff without being on the mount.</p><p>Second,an item is only overpowered if it gives one person a massive advantage over another,and is completely unobtainable by that other person. If,for some unfathomable reason, you're too lazy to PVP for a day or two to get this mount,then that was your own fault. The mount is easy to get,and easy to counter(by getting one yourself) it is not OP.</p>

Taldier
06-05-2010, 11:13 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>First..they introduced a /hide mount affect. You retain the speedbuff without being on the mount.</p><p>Second,an item is only overpowered if it gives one person a massive advantage over another,and is completely unobtainable by that other person. If,for some unfathomable reason, you're too lazy to PVP for a day or two to get this mount,then that was your own fault. The mount is easy to get,and easy to counter(by getting one yourself) it is not OP.</p></blockquote><p>That only hides the mounts appearance, your character still acts as if they are on a mount.</p><p>I assure you I have the mount, as several raids of q's can attest to, after I used it to zoom away from them after running in and attacking them for lulz.</p><p>The thing had no purpose.  If the solution is for everyone to use one, then what is the difference?  If we all get an extra 45% in combat then nothing has changed.  It just forces every single person playing the game to use the same item to achieve the exact same balance of combat that we already had before the mount was introduced.</p><p>I'll admit that the faster moving combat over a large zone is interesting, but they could achieve the same result by just adding an additional 45% to that warfield buff lol.</p><p>In the meantime, it makes it absurdly easy to kill or avoid being killed by anyone who doesnt have it yet.</p><p>Its a 300 token tax on all pvpers.  It would serve absolutely no purpose once everyone had one except to make every single other mount worthless.</p>

Sadussa
06-05-2010, 11:49 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sadussa wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>To the people saying it was OP. How can something, that is available to to EVERYONE OP? you can get the disk with a day or two pvping.</p></blockquote><p>Rangers were avail for all to roll just like sk and pallies are avail...does availability of an item make it op? are kidding me? thats the stupidist argument i have herd.  Tech any item on the server is avail so using this insane logic would mean nothing is op.Since any item on the server avail to any person on that server i hope any one with a little bit of comon sence would agree avail has no bearing on being op.what makes an item op is its impact it has on the game and the gaming enviorment.       Does having</p></blockquote><p> No,what makes something OP is when that something  gives someone a distinct advantage that is completely un-</p><span ><p>obtainable by the other person. The disk gives an advantage, but any [Removed for Content] that puts in a day or two of effort can get it.</p></span></blockquote><p>The amount of effort to obtain an item has zero bearing on said item being OP. The amount of effort that’s required or the tokens it needs doesn’t change the impact the disc has on players that don’t have the disk. What you would consider reasonable time and effort may not be the same for others. As a general rule SOE does seem to place value on items based off effort, so since it was so ez to get as u say it had little value effort wise so nerfing it should be no big deal.</p><p>The bottom line here is its nerfed , crying about it wont change it, arguing over it being op or what effort is required wont change it.</p><p>I am not surprised that the ones that had it wanted to keep it, nor am I surprised at the responses and arguments that have followed, my 14 year old son uses the same selfish mentality to justify his own personal needs as well and never looks at how it effects the community as a whole.</p>

Sadussa
06-05-2010, 11:50 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Lets be honest.  The disk was op.</p><p>It makes you nearly unkillable to any player/group/raid/"massive swarm of 50 q's" which isnt using the disks. </p><p>While this is extremely entertaining for a few days, it is somewhat ridiculous that no effect remotely like this in scale exists on anything else in the game.</p><p>Tbh, as long as I can sell it back for tokens Im actually glad I wont be forced to pvp on a mount just to be competitive.</p></blockquote><p>+10</p>

Naggasaki
06-06-2010, 12:41 AM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's your own fault for not petitioning this item the minute you realized it worked outside of open pvp.</p><p>As for the poster above me, you probably wont have to save tokens for the next op'd item, you guys have a record of  exploiting anything and everything.</p><p>Im guessing that future pvp items have nothing unique on them so they can avoid these issues in the future</p></blockquote><p>My favorite part of what has happened to our server since the inception of BG's? The immense and OMG massive ammounts of blubie tears over how it 'trivializes raid content'. Please explain why any Priest would need a jewelry item that has a CHANCE to proc a fear when attacked in a RAID situation?</p><p>Furthermore, I think the blue servers should have their RAID gear locked to their guilds. Reasons? What happens when a group of avatar killers gets emo rump hurt over something and leaves? They take themselves to a different raid guild...now they have trivialized the raid content that their new guild hasn't progressed through yet.  </p><p>I know avatars are gone, but this is exactly how irresponsible this type of behaviour is.</p><p>It does not affect PvE servers...mind your own buisness. Furthermore, are you aware of how few ACTUAL raiding guilds exist on Nagafen? The majority of our population is here to PvP. They could care less about jousting AE's and timers and positioning. It's called an ADVANTAGE. You don't play the game so that you can be geared just like everyone else. You want your character to have the best gear possible.</p><p>Was the disc OP? Dunno, never had one. Never will.</p>

Crismorn
06-06-2010, 01:39 AM
<p>Im sorry that you guys need broken items to compete in raid content and im also sorry that instead of petitioning this item you kept it quiet in the hopes that it would last as long as possible.</p><p>sadly as long as possible showed up, least you can get your tokens back.</p><p>idk why anyone would want a reactive fear proc for raid content, but as for an incombat runspeed mount I would use it to trivialize many raid content from ae's to any fight requiring movement.</p><p>How would I do this you ask?  Sorry most of you dont even understand how to play the class you rolled let alone have any idea of whats happening around you in a raid setting or being able to react to it in the most advantageous way.</p><p>So I guess in a way the mount would not have trivialized raid content on Nagafen, too few would be able to take advantage ot it.</p>

Naggasaki
06-06-2010, 01:53 AM
<p>You continue to amaze me with your wit and ill forged responses regarding the topics at hand. It's a PvP server, the item did not say 'PvP only' or some other 'quilfier' for, what you call, similar items. For every single person that saw it, for all intents and purposes it was working as intended. Go back to raiding and get out of our forums.</p>

sdaigneault
06-06-2010, 02:09 AM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> but as for an incombat runspeed mount I would use it to trivialize many raid content from ae's to any fight requiring movement</p></blockquote><p>I'm sorry you would use this to trivialize raid content. Instead of using it like this, you really should be petitioning it as a bug. I'm left no choice but to now assume you use items you know are considered OP or exploits to get through raid content.</p>

Naggasaki
06-06-2010, 02:20 AM
<p>I hadn't considered it that way.</p><p>But now that you mention it, it would appear that this person is more prone to being the 'exploiter' that they so blatently acuse PvP players of being wouldn't it?</p>

Crismorn
06-06-2010, 02:25 AM
<p>If by exploiting you mean I would move in and out between ae's faster then anyone without this mount then yes.</p><p>If by exploiting you mean any fight that requires moving I would do more per move, while being able to wait longer till I had to move then yes.</p><p>Again, I know it must be hard for you to understand how being able to move faster when you are fighting against difficult npcs can be a massive advantage but it is in the right hands.</p><p>Which is probably 10-20 people on Nagafen</p>

Naggasaki
06-06-2010, 02:29 AM
<p><cite>sdaigneault wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> but as for an incombat runspeed mount I would use it to trivialize many raid content from ae's to any fight requiring movement</p></blockquote><p>I'm sorry you would use this to trivialize raid content. <span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>Instead of using it like this, you really should be petitioning it as a bug.</strong></span> I'm left no choice but to now assume you use items you know are considered OP or exploits to get through raid content.</p></blockquote><p>I bolded it in case you missed it. This is exactly what you were saying WE should have done, when it CLEARLY did NOT say 'PvP only'.</p><p>Again, your shortsighted, singleminded self ceneterd 'gimmie gimmie' shines through.</p><p>OH....and get a bard or two on your raid...in combat run speed issues solved....or sprint.</p><p>And I assume that one person having this mount in a raid trivializes the content? If that is a fact, then the content was trivial to begin with. Also, thank you for provoking me to think more on this topic. I'm going to start a string of petitions to have ALL mount buffs removed during raids. To include 'increases crushing, slashing, piercing and aggresion' and any other buff beyond what the players themselves can give each other. Becuase, you know, it trivializes the content.</p><p>Cheers!</p>

Notsovilepriest
06-06-2010, 03:13 AM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If by exploiting you mean I would move in and out between ae's faster then anyone without this mount then yes.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Groups with furies exploit because they have pact while other groups don't!!!11111!!!1one!!!1111</span></p><p>If by exploiting you mean any fight that requires moving I would do more per move, while being able to wait longer till I had to move then yes.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Groups with furies exploit because they have pact while other groups don't!!!11111!!!1one!!!1111</span></p><p>Again, I know it must be hard for you to understand how being able to move faster when you are fighting against difficult npcs can be a massive advantage but it is in the right hands.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">For a Canadian, You talk down on people a lot...SEE WHAT I DID THERE?!</span></p><p>Which is probably 10-20 people on Nagafen</p></blockquote>

bRz
06-06-2010, 03:29 AM
<p>now now everyone lets not trivialize crimsmorns accomplishments in life, you gotta respect a man who can run to and from computer dragons really quickly.</p>

Uskeab
06-06-2010, 03:58 AM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Im sorry that you guys need broken items to compete in raid content and im also sorry that instead of petitioning this item you kept it quiet in the hopes that it would last as long as possible.</p><p>sadly as long as possible showed up, least you can get your tokens back.</p><p>idk why anyone would want a reactive fear proc for raid content, but as for an incombat runspeed mount I would use it to trivialize many raid content from ae's to any fight requiring movement.</p><p>How would I do this you ask?  Sorry most of you dont even understand how to play the class you rolled let alone have any idea of whats happening around you in a raid setting or being able to react to it in the most advantageous way.</p><p>So I guess in a way the mount would not have trivialized raid content on Nagafen, too few would be able to take advantage ot it.</p></blockquote><p>1)  everyone has incomabt speed, its called Sprint, and on a blue server with a handpicked raid force, im sure the power cost is no problem for you, so stop exploiting and petition.</p><p>2) if you would need this mount to joust an AOE than you shouldnt be raiding, and will most definately fail at some other aspect of the battle.</p><p>3) it seems you do not take in any information you read here and just repeat the same thing over and over</p><p>4) does the disc in question somehow threaten your pixels o dragons? maybe you want a disc so you can kill something that you cannot yet kill?</p><p>5) why you hang in pvp forums so much? roll a toon and come pvp if your so interested</p>

Naggasaki
06-06-2010, 04:14 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Im sorry that you guys need broken items to compete in raid content and im also sorry that instead of petitioning this item you kept it quiet in the hopes that it would last as long as possible.</p><p>sadly as long as possible showed up, least you can get your tokens back.</p><p>idk why anyone would want a reactive fear proc for raid content, but as for an incombat runspeed mount I would use it to trivialize many raid content from ae's to any fight requiring movement.</p><p>How would I do this you ask?  Sorry most of you dont even understand how to play the class you rolled let alone have any idea of whats happening around you in a raid setting or being able to react to it in the most advantageous way.</p><p>So I guess in a way the mount would not have trivialized raid content on Nagafen, too few would be able to take advantage ot it.</p></blockquote><p>1)  everyone has incomabt speed, its called Sprint, and on a blue server with a handpicked raid force, im sure the power cost is no problem for you, so stop exploiting and petition.</p><p>2) if you would need this mount to joust an AOE than you shouldnt be raiding, and will most definately fail at some other aspect of the battle.</p><p>3) it seems you do not take in any information you read here and just repeat the same thing over and over</p><p>4) does the disc in question somehow threaten your pixels o dragons? maybe you want a disc so you can kill something that you cannot yet kill?</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>5) why you hang in pvp forums so much? roll a toon and come pvp if your so interested</strong></span></p></blockquote><p>I've been asking myself this question for a while now.</p>

Chia_Pet
06-06-2010, 04:15 AM
<p>Let me get this straight. a few people running around with avatar gear is ok? but people running around with an in combat speed mount that anyone can get is OP?</p><p>AND it make you invulnerable to people that DONT have it?</p><p>Really? you want people to buy this nonsense? Ima tank, as most of you already know, and i have a SEVERE probelm with runners, a disc sure would help with all those rangers that have incombat run speed. but apparently its ok for only a select few to be able to move like that but not everyone....</p><p>wait what?</p><p>this whole conversation is stupid. to say an item is OP you need something that really breaks the game. and i personally fix my problem with runners by7 simply wearing a tribunal cloak, and viola wham bam rotted/stunned and i come beat on you some more.</p><p>i dont have the disc, but ya know what? i DO have my full set of PvP gear( the new stuff) and some jewelry and i just made the decision to get a new cloak which i may or may not use, i could EASILY have gotten that disc at any time but made a CHOICE. something EVERYONE can do when it comes to this item, unlike MANY others that are not available but to a select few.</p><p>as far as the bluebies are concerned, TOO BAD, so some people may use these in raid encounters, its no worse then when we had PvP gear with crit mit available to us, wearing chest peices with 30% crit mit and 20 % on legs before entering a raid zone for the first time.</p><p>our progression has NO EFFECT on Blue servers, it never has and never will. nor SHOULD it. we have a different ruleset we have to do our quests and fight contested under much different circumstances then the rest of the community, who cares if people can JOUST better, seriously JOUST thats thier complaint????? and people are LISTENING!!!!!! thats insanely stupid and petty on both the parts of the players aAND the developers. THE ONLY VALID COMPLAINT is that its effects work in BG's and by ALL MEANS REMOVE IT from said use. if the devs are seriously worried about it for joustin....omg.... then make it PvP only and disable it in BGs like you did our original PvP jewelry. this isnt rocket science.</p><p>My god, jousting and running fast in pvp for EVERYONE is seriously being argued?! im just appalled at both this and our supposed Dev who has convinelty RUINED PvP almost single handedly.</p>

Crismorn
06-06-2010, 04:55 AM
<p>I know you guys are just confused as to why this item was <strong>fixed</strong>, but try to keep your anger under control</p>

Crismorn
06-06-2010, 04:56 AM
<p><cite>bRz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>now now everyone lets not trivialize crimsmorns accomplishments in life, you gotta respect a man who can run to and from computer dragons really quickly.</p></blockquote><p>I thought this is a video game forum : /</p>

Naggasaki
06-06-2010, 04:59 AM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I know you guys are just confused as to why this item was <strong>fixed</strong>, but try to keep your anger under control</p></blockquote><p>It was 'FIXED' because some blue server cry babies saw something they couldn't get and started complaining about it. Same thing happened with the banshee hoop. You should remember that, you were one of the most vocal complainers. Just goes to show that no matter what we do, as long as you're blue, your voice will be heard.</p><p>SWToR needs to hurry up.</p>

Crismorn
06-06-2010, 05:10 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I know you guys are just confused as to why this item was <strong>fixed</strong>, but try to keep your anger under control</p></blockquote><p><strong>It was 'FIXED'</strong> because some blue server cry babies saw something they couldn't get and started complaining about it. Same thing happened with the banshee hoop. You should remember that, you were one of the most vocal complainers. Just goes to show that no matter what we do, as long as you're blue, your voice will be heard.</p><p>SWToR needs to hurry up.</p></blockquote><p>You should have stopped typing after the word fixed, thats when you started to post misinforation.</p><p>I'm sorry your mount was fixed.</p>

Naggasaki
06-06-2010, 05:28 AM
<p>Not my mount. As I have stated before, I never had one. Nor will I ever attempt to have one. What cheeses me off more than your PvP trolling, is when something unique to our server and ruleset gets nerfed in the face because someone on the blue servers wants it, but can't have it.</p><p>As for posting misinformation...lol. Go troll something about game mechanics that you apparently have a mediocre level of comprehension about. Or bring your little wizard out and we'll play some real PvP.</p><p>Again, why are you in the PvP forums anyway?</p>

spudsmckenzie2
06-06-2010, 06:06 AM
<p>easy fix here sony. offer the disk for 300 tokens or battle ground gears, bottles, etc. make the item usable in pvp or bg's only and be available to all. this way it will be easy for everyone to get. the item isnt op... it makes the game much more enjoyable to play with all the laggy server performance. zero in-combat run speed just sucks and makes pvp boring. dont throw us back into the dark ages by getting rid of the disk in-combat run speed.</p>

max.power
06-06-2010, 06:48 AM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I know you guys are just confused as to why this item was <strong>fixed</strong>, but try to keep your anger under control</p></blockquote><p>It wasn't broken because the IC speed had no "Must be engaged in PvP combat". Don't forget that it was very expensive at first and this item was given solely to players on red servers to have something different than the standard BG rewards for PvPing in an open world setting.</p><p>If the IC speed in PvE wasn't intended, no biggy: Just attach the "Must be engaged in PvP combat"-flag and everyone would have understood that.</p><p>Regarding the unfair advantage over other players in BGs: Just disable this specific buff in BGs, done.</p><p>But instead of a FIX the item got DESTROYED. That's the reason most of us are upset. My two above mentioned fixes could have been implemented, even the IC speed could have been lowered because of the lowered price (300 tokens now, 750 in the beginning), but just converting the item to a standard 70% mount with health/mana and 20 (LOL) toughness was clearly the wrong way.</p>

Crismorn
06-06-2010, 07:52 AM
<p>I agree that it should work in open world pvp however. many pvp players stated earlier in this thread that its not worth having if it only worked in open pvp which might have made the stat change to toughness happen.</p>

Naggasaki
06-06-2010, 08:03 AM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So you thought a pvp only item should trivialize raid content?</p><p>Not only that, but you should have petitioned it when you realized that it worked outside of pvp content</p></blockquote><p>While what you are saying about some PvP players not wanting it if the effect didn't work outside of PvP may be true, you flew off about the above items before that was ever brought to light. This, YOUR response, is the eleventh post in this thread. NOONE had mentioned it's desireability in or out of PvP combat.</p><p>Master of misdirection, you are not.</p>

MindFury
06-06-2010, 08:16 AM
<p>Unsure why a non pvp player or players have any say in this matter. This item is for pvp'ers and pvp'ers alone. The item does not work in battlegrounds so where bluebies feel they have any say is beyond me.</p><p>Nerfing due to the whiney blues needs to stop..we saw this crap with some of the t8 pvp gear, our crap got nerfed in favor of the cry baby blues, and low and behold now yall go and make t9 versions of some of the crap they boo hoo'd over and made it available to them.  Stop ruining my game time on a pvp server by letting whiney azz blue's have a say in what we have on our servers.</p><p>I may not like how easily the opposing faction is able to break combat due to this in combat run speed once they realize they're getting owned, but I really can not tolerate someone not on a pvp server opening their trap attempting to ruin things for those of us who are on one.</p><p>Oh big whoop it's not available on ur server, cry more. U want it, get ur whiney rump on a pvp server and earn the tokens for it like the pvpers have to. Stop thinking what pvpers have has to be offered to you blues. So tired of idiocy. And this is just idiocy.</p>

sdaigneault
06-06-2010, 09:11 AM
<p><cite>bRz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>now now everyone lets not trivialize crimsmorns accomplishments in life, you gotta respect a man who can run to and from computer dragons really quickly.</p></blockquote><p> [Removed for Content]</p><p>pretty much sums it up for me</p><p>crimson, you win! pvp disc ruined (or "fixed" as you like to say), and now you can go back to your pixel dragon killing. that make you feel better?</p>

Shadowous Nightwing
06-06-2010, 09:18 AM
<p>This goes back to Beta for Sentinels Fate when pvpers beta copied to the Beta server with their pvp gear. Because the lvl 80 TSO pvp armor was better then some of the shard armor our next set of open world pvp gear got nerfed to not be as useable in pve content as the pve gear. With just 2 peices of the lvl 90 pvp gear my combat arts do less dmg than my full set of  lvl 80 tso pvp armor and my dps has dropped. SO because Our pvp gear was compaerable to Raid gear all the new pvp armor from Sentinels Fate and from the release of New Halas has been lack of a better word NERFED. We have to carry two full sets of armor to have the best game experence on a pvp server now. Just after the release of the Bgs our open world pvp jewlery that gave pvpers an edge in pvp got nerfed to not proc in the bgs. Now they work again but only after they were made avaible to the blue servers by the BG merchant. I say make the lvl 80 pvp jewls not work in BGs again and take them away from the blue servers and I say that the blue servers should not cry NERF NERF NERF pvp servers when the pvp servers get open world pvp items that work both in pvp and pve and most of our items that are intended for open world pvp only say does not affect epic targets so the raid content is safe from our as the blues state OP items.</p><p>You want an item avaible only on a pvp server make your main on Naggy or VOX till then leave our servers alone and us pvpers don't care about what blues have and don't have, because Blues don't have to deal with getting pvped while trying to do quest or when trying  take on contested zones or raid mobs.</p><p>training dummy: (00:13) | 258961 | 19920 | [Drog-Dance of Metal-31209]Drog | 258961 | 19920. Full set of lvl 80 tso open world pvp gear.</p><p>training dummy: (00:16) | 258778 | 16174 | [Drog-Dance of Metal-29463]Drog | 258778 | 16174. 5 Peices of lvl 80 TSO open world pvp gear and 2 peices of lvl 90 open world pvp gear</p>

max.power
06-06-2010, 09:50 AM
<p><cite>MindFury wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Unsure why a non pvp player or players have any say in this matter. This item is for pvp'ers and pvp'ers alone. The item does not work in battlegrounds so where bluebies feel they have any say is beyond me.</p></blockquote><p>How many times have we (i.e. me) to say that the IC run speed from the disk WORKS IN BGs?! It always had so yes, a complaint from a "bluebie" regarding this issue IS valid and they ARE allowed to say something about that!</p>

Naggasaki
06-06-2010, 09:57 AM
<p>Working in Battlegrounds in a mixed server type environment is a valid complaint. However, this concern belongs in the Battlegrounds forum does it not?</p><p>Brain, I think your proposed fixes to the disc regarding BG's and/or raids would have been MILES better than what we got.</p>

Crismorn
06-06-2010, 11:57 AM
<p>I'm sorry that your broken OP'd item was fixed</p>

Darry
06-06-2010, 12:39 PM
<p>I'm glad it got fixed, hopefully not so many people will be able to run away now <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Necroluvin
06-06-2010, 02:19 PM
<p><cite>Sydares wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Agreed, it's completely unfair that a mount as insanely good as this is PvP-Server only. Yet another case where PvP servers get a ridiculous PvE advantage.</p></blockquote><p>lol PvP servers get "another" ridiculous advantage....your funny. Come play on nagafen during prime time and try raiding, and then you can take what you said and shove it up ur ***!</p>

Uskeab
06-06-2010, 04:00 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm sorry that your broken OP'd item was fixed</p></blockquote><p><img src="http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7798/59223727.png" width="536" height="384" /></p>

BlueEternal
06-06-2010, 07:50 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sydares wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yet another case where PvP servers get a ridiculous PvE advantage.</p></blockquote><p>I'd love to hear a extensive list on this subject. Please enlighten me.</p></blockquote><p>I too would like to see his list.</p></blockquote><p>Sydares M.I.A?</p>

Stuckx
06-06-2010, 08:18 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm sorry that your broken OP'd item was fixed</p></blockquote><p>No point arguing with this guy. He's just going to repeat the same moronic line over and over again. If you look at any other nerf post where he's showed up,he does the same thing. Half the thread will just be this guy saying " I'm sorry blah blah was fixed" or "You should have petitioned that item what was working exactly as intended!"</p>

Ralpmet
06-06-2010, 10:21 PM
<p>What's funny is naggy crashed 3x this week during prime time raiding, ruining raiding repeatedly. But bluebies say raiding is easy on a pvp server, even if the entire server lags when 100 people are in ant or cl fighting each other.</p><p>I'm still waiting to find out if his PVP proc gear that he's wearing that procs in PVE has been reported by him yet. Same exact stuff as what he was telling us to report.</p>

Naggasaki
06-07-2010, 02:14 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sydares wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yet another case where PvP servers get a ridiculous PvE advantage.</p></blockquote><p>I'd love to hear a extensive list on this subject. Please enlighten me.</p></blockquote><p>I too would like to see his list.</p></blockquote><p>Sydares M.I.A?</p></blockquote><p>This 'list' of our rediculous PvE advantages will never be drafted or posted on this forum. Because it, quite frankly, doesn't exist.</p><p>*edit* And since we're talking about PvE advantages, how long have PvE servers had access to all classes in raids?</p><p>That's what I thought.</p>

Putyo
06-07-2010, 05:51 AM
<p>pvp servers have had access to all classes since t7, blame yourself for not going exile</p>

Naggasaki
06-07-2010, 05:57 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>pvp servers have had access to all classes since t7, blame yourself for not going exile</p></blockquote><p>I do blame myself for not going exile. But the point was that we had to actually go out of our way and 'sacrifice' in order to do it. As opposed to the PvE servers that have cross faction guilds.</p>

TDizz1e
06-07-2010, 06:58 AM
<p>OP item, trixy cane of trickery, nerf the avatar boots and not the cane?? do work.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p>

noobsauce01
06-07-2010, 01:05 PM
<p> To the formerly OP'd disc riders.</p><p style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>What my disc was</strong></span></p><p style="text-align: center;"> </p><p style="text-align: center;">I used to ride the air so fine,</p><p style="text-align: center;">I used to ride the air so devine.</p><p style="text-align: center;"> </p><p style="text-align: center;">I'd ride to you if you had no disc in sight</p><p style="text-align: center;">regardless of your proclaimed might.</p><p style="text-align: center;">For I knew in my heart there was only two roads to pass</p><p style="text-align: center;">One of victory the other of you chasing my floating a**.</p><p style="text-align: center;">I could flee from you so sweet so fleet,</p><p style="text-align: center;">You'd be left behind like rotten meat.</p><p style="text-align: center;">I giggled and laughed at your pursuing train,</p><p style="text-align: center;">Knowing your efforts were in all in vain.</p><p style="text-align: center;"> </p><p style="text-align: center;">Now here I sit, back to the norm.</p><p style="text-align: center;">Now here I sit all sully and torn.</p><p style="text-align: center;">For now I know I must fight like all the rest</p><p style="text-align: center;">with skill and might put to the test.</p><p style="text-align: center;">For now I know the lack of escape is no longer a joke,</p><p style="text-align: center;">For now I know my disc was broke....</p><p style="text-align: center;"> </p><p style="text-align: center;"> </p><p style="text-align: center;"><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p style="text-align: center;"> </p>

Sadussa
06-07-2010, 06:33 PM
<p>+100</p>

zyllith
06-07-2010, 06:51 PM
<p>I love this guy, I *really* do love this guy!!</p>

Jab
06-07-2010, 06:56 PM
<p>Hahaha..</p><p>Best post of the year..</p><p>I have only been reading this post and had no desire to post in it cause it was fun to see the insane arguments ppl used for defending this item.</p><p>But i must give credit to you for making that "song" =)</p><p>/thumbsup</p><p>p.s</p><p>What was our dev thinking when designing such a game breaking item..No single item should ever make a fight be won or lost.</p><p>That reminds me,why is the justice cloak still in the game in its current form ?? 5sec stun from a broken proc rate system..NICE</p>

Hanari
06-08-2010, 06:17 AM
<p>Olihin, make it Bard only. We rly need some love and ´the bards incombat-runspeed has a long history.</p> <p>now we are on a good way for class pvp-mounts <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Sprin
06-08-2010, 07:24 AM
<p>Here is what PVP in combat run speed is good for...</p><p>Running away after you start losing</p><p>the 2 kiting classes in the game (who btw dont need any help in that arena, cuz they have snares that put people at -80 in combat run speed, so essentially those classes already have 80 in combat run speed)</p><p>Good nerf TBH.. i'd rather have the toughness then allow 99% of the server who already run when they start to lose, to be able to do it easier...</p>

Stuckx
06-08-2010, 08:17 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Here is what PVP in combat run speed is good for...</p><p>Running away after you start losing</p><p>the 2 kiting classes in the game (who btw dont need any help in that arena, cuz they have snares that put people at -80 in combat run speed, so essentially those classes already have 80 in combat run speed)</p><p>Good nerf TBH.. i'd rather have the toughness then allow 99% of the server who already run when they start to lose, to be able to do it easier...</p></blockquote><p>Cause you couldn't spend the 300 tokens that would counter them having the mount,amirite?</p>

Kota
06-08-2010, 01:53 PM
i never got much use from the in combat speed tbh. not with fettering poisons proccing 15 times per second and all. i still spend most fights at negative run speed.

Wytie
06-08-2010, 05:51 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>i never got much use from the in combat speed tbh. not with fettering poisons proccing 15 times per second and all. i still spend most fights at negative run speed.</blockquote><p>L2CURE    </p><p>No one ever self cures in pvp its so lulzy.</p><p>Self cure and this mount and I almost always get away, lol</p>

Stuckx
06-08-2010, 05:56 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>i never got much use from the in combat speed tbh. not with fettering poisons proccing 15 times per second and all. i still spend most fights at negative run speed.</blockquote><p>L2CURE    </p><p>No one ever self cures in pvp its so lulzy.</p><p>Self cure and this mount and I almost always get away, lol</p></blockquote><p>Self curing fettering poison is a waste of a cure pot tbh,considering it gets instantly reapplied 99% of the time.</p>

Kota
06-08-2010, 08:21 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>i never got much use from the in combat speed tbh. not with fettering poisons proccing 15 times per second and all. i still spend most fights at negative run speed.</blockquote><p>L2CURE    </p><p>No one ever self cures in pvp its so lulzy.</p><p>Self cure and this mount and I almost always get away, lol</p></blockquote><p>off topic, but dumbest thing i've heard today.  i hit my 'back into the fray' charm, a free pot, and a nox pot, and i'm still snared against a ranger.  thinking you can pot your snares against a decent ranger is 'lulzy'.  and yeah, fettering procs like 700 times a second.</p>

Darry
06-09-2010, 09:07 AM
<p>Self cure noxious with 15+ noxious detrimentals will never take off fettering first.</p><p>You fail so hard <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Kota
06-09-2010, 11:44 AM
and even if it does, fettering will proc again like .0007 seconds later. so yeah, save your pots.

alabama
06-09-2010, 12:32 PM
<p><cite>Sadussa wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>+100</p></blockquote><p>There you are Sadussa.</p><p>Still waiting for that list guy...you know the one im talking about</p>

Wytie
06-09-2010, 12:52 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>i never got much use from the in combat speed tbh. not with fettering poisons proccing 15 times per second and all. i still spend most fights at negative run speed.</blockquote><p>L2CURE    </p><p>No one ever self cures in pvp its so lulzy.</p><p>Self cure and this mount and I almost always get away, lol</p></blockquote><p>off topic, but dumbest thing i've heard today.  i hit my 'back into the fray' charm, a free pot, and a nox pot, and i'm still snared against a ranger.  thinking you can pot your snares against a decent ranger is 'lulzy'.  and yeah, fettering procs like 700 times a second.</p></blockquote><p>I agree this is the dumbest thing Iv seen today.</p><p>I cure my snares from a rangers all the time....  </p><p>There is more than one way to cure yourself, you should read up on them and not suck so much.</p><p>Guess you should get yourself a Rune of Absoultion and not look so dumb. Same for the poster above you.....</p>

Wytie
06-09-2010, 12:54 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Self cure noxious with 15+ noxious detrimentals will never take off fettering first.</p><p>You fail so hard <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>L2 use all the items the game gives you.</p><p>You fail so hard at this game obviously.</p><p>Pro tip: Rune of absoultion is the win. There now you too can suck less.</p>

Darry
06-09-2010, 01:39 PM
<p>Yeah 10 seconds really helps when there's 10+v1, even with pally cure, pots, rune, freedom of action give it 10 seconds after they're all down and you'll still be snared.</p><p>You really should try and troll better.</p>

Wytie
06-09-2010, 02:43 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah 10 seconds really helps when there's 10+v1, even with pally cure, pots, rune, freedom of action give it 10 seconds after they're all down and you'll still be snared.</p><p>You really should try and troll better.</p></blockquote><p>Did you just really use a 10v1 as an example? lolololol</p><p>Well duh in 10v1 are you really suppose to be able to cure through that? God I hope not ffs.</p><p>Also you might want to check what the rune does btw, it has nothing to do with 10sec fyi lol its a [Removed for Content] huge cure.</p>

Darry
06-10-2010, 06:50 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah 10 seconds really helps when there's 10+v1, even with pally cure, pots, rune, freedom of action give it 10 seconds after they're all down and you'll still be snared.</p><p>You really should try and troll better.</p></blockquote><p>Did you just really use a 10v1 as an example? lolololol</p><p>Well duh in 10v1 are you really suppose to be able to cure through that? God I hope not ffs.</p><p>Also you might want to check what the rune does btw, it has nothing to do with 10sec fyi lol its a [Removed for Content] huge cure.</p></blockquote><p>The 10 seconds was in reference to freedom of action and I am well aware what the rune does (2-3 of every detrimental cured same as castigate but no damage), but thanks.</p><p>If a ranger can dot you up and run away 1v1 then yes, you're made of fail and should probably go back to Hello Kitty Online or something.</p>

Kota
06-10-2010, 08:17 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah 10 seconds really helps when there's 10+v1, even with pally cure, pots, rune, freedom of action give it 10 seconds after they're all down and you'll still be snared.</p><p>You really should try and troll better.</p></blockquote><p>Did you just really use a 10v1 as an example? lolololol</p><p>Well duh in 10v1 are you really suppose to be able to cure through that? God I hope not ffs.</p><p>Also you might want to check what the rune does btw, it has nothing to do with 10sec fyi lol its a [Removed for Content] huge cure.</p></blockquote><p>yeah it's neat and all, but i don't run home and wait for pot timers to be back up before i go out and pvp more.  all my cool pots and totems are pretty much always on cool down anyway.  you telling me you just save all your pots for rangers ?</p>

gauged
06-10-2010, 09:29 AM
<p>He's a troll... and not really telling you much of anything, more or less just flapping his jaw.</p>

Jab
06-10-2010, 11:16 AM
<p>Yeah them trolls are nasty stuff..</p><p>Anyways a good ranger will ofc have a standalone chatbox with info about what detrimentals are being removed "Cured" from their opponents and save additionally snares for when that happens..Its not like they only have 1 or 2 hehehe...</p><p>Just my take on it..</p><p>A ranger..Pewpew from hitting 1 button at safe distance...Buh u guys have it sooo hard =)</p>

Wytie
06-10-2010, 02:37 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah 10 seconds really helps when there's 10+v1, even with pally cure, pots, rune, freedom of action give it 10 seconds after they're all down and you'll still be snared.</p><p>You really should try and troll better.</p></blockquote><p>Did you just really use a 10v1 as an example? lolololol</p><p>Well duh in 10v1 are you really suppose to be able to cure through that? God I hope not ffs.</p><p>Also you might want to check what the rune does btw, it has nothing to do with 10sec fyi lol its a [Removed for Content] huge cure.</p></blockquote><p>yeah it's neat and all, but i don't run home and wait for pot timers to be back up before i go out and pvp more.  all my cool pots and totems are pretty much always on cool down anyway.  you telling me you just save all your pots for rangers ?</p></blockquote><p>Im telling you to use the tools you have when you need them.</p><p>Everyone has coldown timers to deal with, this is nothing new its been part of the game, sometimes there down when you need them that goes for everyone....</p>

Wytie
06-10-2010, 02:39 PM
<p><cite>gauged wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>He's a troll... and not really telling you much of anything, more or less just flapping his jaw.</p></blockquote><p>irony much?</p>

Olihin
06-11-2010, 03:04 PM
<p><cite>Olihin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The item has been changed as follow:</p><ul type="disc"><li><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Discord’s Prescient Disk now grants increased power and 20 toughness instead of in combat speed. </span></span> </li><li><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Discord’s Enduring Disk now grants increased health and 20 toughness instead of in combat speed.  </span></span> </li><li><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Discord’s Prescient and Enduring Disks are now available through the Battleground vendors.</span></span></li><li><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Discord’s Prescient and Enduring Disks can be exchanged for tokens through the Priest of Discord for a limited time.</span></span> </li></ul><p>The change increases the desirability of the item exclusively for PvP and Battlegrounds.  The 70% speed and featherfall effect is still available for this item.</p><p>Thank you,</p><p><span style="font-size: large; color: #3366ff;">Olihin</span></p></blockquote><p>The exchange box is currently live and will remain until the next update.   This means you have until next week to make the exchange should you find the a different mount more desirable. </p><p>Please let your friend in game know should they not read these forums.   I will be going online as well to let them know.</p><p><span style="font-size: large; color: #0000ff;">Olihin</span></p>

Edgard
06-11-2010, 04:43 PM
<p>Why not just make the mount back like it was, and make it eligible to buy with bg tokens so the bluebies can stop crying ?</p>

Wytie
06-11-2010, 05:26 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why not just make the mount back like it was, and make it eligible to buy with bg tokens so the bluebies can stop crying ?</p></blockquote><p>Because you and many other havent been actually paying attention to just what this mount allowed people to do.</p><p>The old mount was giving incombat run speed at all times.... AT ALL TIMES. This included raids, instances, and BG's.</p><p>That made this mount basicly better than any other in the game for some classes in all aspecs of the game.</p><p>That is not what they intended for this mount, it was intended to be for pvp only, and since they could not do that, this was what was done.</p><p>That wasnt all, you could sprint with this mount and the incombat run speed stacked with your sprint speed giving anyone with this mount 95% sprint speed anywhere, includeing raids and BG's.</p>

Edgard
06-11-2010, 06:13 PM
<p>So wait</p><p>Sony is not capable of coding a pvp/bg only mount? lololololol</p>

Wytie
06-11-2010, 06:19 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So wait</p><p>Sony is not capable of coding a pvp/bg only mount? lololololol</p></blockquote><p>Apparently not, or aleast it didnt justify the required dev and QA time to do so, we can only assume. Givin the nature of how mount buffs persist it may not have even been possible for them to code it to only give combat speed in pvp combat. That we may never know....</p>

Cloakentuna
06-11-2010, 06:48 PM
<p>Is there any chance we could get a number on how many of these mounts were sold back, percentage wise?  Could be good for a few laughs!</p>

Edgard
06-11-2010, 08:14 PM
<p>Oh sony</p><p>lolololol</p>

Cloakentuna
06-12-2010, 08:20 PM
<p>I'm still waiting for that extensive list of game-breaking PvP only items btw.</p>

Edgaard
06-12-2010, 11:58 PM
<p>Speaking of gear... Why the hell is the zarrakon pvp wrist only available for scouts? that's the biggest load of bs sony did :@</p>