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Aleste
05-27-2010, 05:31 PM
<p>Seems to me in pvp and bg autoattack and combat art range is increased maybe to compensate for lag. Well why isnt bow range decreased? not very fair you can snare someone or root them and back off to 5m+ and they can still attack you with ca's and autoattacks, but if you play a ranger you can't use your ca's in point blank range without your myth. I dont mind kitting but im just saying doesnt seem right. Also why can mages cast from any range even point blank but a ranger has to maintain distance or its "too close".</p>

Crismorn
05-27-2010, 07:22 PM
<p>So let me get this straight.</p><p>You want rangers to get a boost because they need help in bg's right now?</p><p>Is that what I am reading?</p>

Stuckx
05-27-2010, 07:49 PM
<p>Anyone asking for a boost for rangers is an idiot,or doesn't know how to play the class.</p><p>Yea..I know I'm always calling people names..but I call it like I see it.</p><p>Rangers are the easiest scout in the game,and in my opinion..the next OP class after crusaders.</p>

Aleste
05-27-2010, 09:02 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So let me get this straight.</p><p>You want rangers to get a boost because they need help in <em>bg's right now</em>?</p><p>Is that what I am reading?</p></blockquote><p>This is the pvp forum...</p>

Stuckx
05-27-2010, 09:03 PM
<p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So let me get this straight.</p><p>You want rangers to get a boost because they need help in <em>bg's right now</em>?</p><p>Is that what I am reading?</p></blockquote><p>This is the pvp forum...</p></blockquote><p>BG's or PVP..they're both the same. Rangers dont need help in either.</p>

Aleste
05-27-2010, 09:06 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><em>Anyone asking for a boost for rangers</em> is an idiot,or doesn't know how to play the class.</p><p>Yea..I know I'm always calling people names..but I call it like I see it.</p><p><em>Rangers are the easiest scout in the game</em>,and in my opinion..the next OP class after crusaders.</p></blockquote><p>Well one im not asking for a boost.. im asking for equal footing if everyone gets +distance rangers should get -distance. Since a ranger trys to keep its opponent away. Two sin is by far eaiser than ranger so is swash. Should of known the trolls would come out when asking for equality lol. some rangers already have the ability to use their ca's and auto attack at 0m from their epic or myth, but why would they want to keep the same bow forever? just cause its good in pvp?</p>

Wolfsight
05-27-2010, 09:06 PM
<p>Rangers are fine in PvP, if you are going to ask for a ranger fix its the PvE side you should be looking at. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p>

Aleste
05-27-2010, 09:08 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So let me get this straight.</p><p>You want rangers to get a boost because they need help in <em>bg's right now</em>?</p><p>Is that what I am reading?</p></blockquote><p>This is the pvp forum...</p></blockquote><p>BG's or PVP..they're both the same. Rangers dont need help in either.</p></blockquote><p>Dude bgs and pvp is not the same for the last time. You can go out and solo in pvp thats not an option for bg. Rangers are a good pvp class... even better with a group that knows what their doing it allows a ranger to hide and pick people off better.</p>

Stuckx
05-27-2010, 09:11 PM
<p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><em>Anyone asking for a boost for rangers</em> is an idiot,or doesn't know how to play the class.</p><p>Yea..I know I'm always calling people names..but I call it like I see it.</p><p><em>Rangers are the easiest scout in the game</em>,and in my opinion..the next OP class after crusaders.</p></blockquote><p>Well one im not asking for a boost.. im asking for equal footing if everyone gets +distance rangers should get -distance. Since a ranger trys to keep its opponent away. Two sin is by far eaiser than ranger so is swash. Should of known the trolls would come out when asking for equality lol. some rangers already have the ability to use their ca's and auto attack at 0m from their epic or myth, but why would they want to keep the same bow forever? just cause its good in pvp?</p></blockquote><p>Devs have already stated that they aren't going to give rangers any other bows or change the myth buff so they can use ranged CA's at 0 range.</p><p>That said,Rangers don't even need this. If you're not max range as a ranger,then you need to reroll..it's that simple.</p>

Aleste
05-27-2010, 09:11 PM
<p>Again im not asking for a fix.. what other class cant use half their ca's due to being to close lol?  Yet everyone else gets an extension on their ca's and autoattacks.</p>

Aleste
05-27-2010, 09:13 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><em>Anyone asking for a boost for rangers</em> is an idiot,or doesn't know how to play the class.</p><p>Yea..I know I'm always calling people names..but I call it like I see it.</p><p><em>Rangers are the easiest scout in the game</em>,and in my opinion..the next OP class after crusaders.</p></blockquote><p>Well one im not asking for a boost.. im asking for equal footing if everyone gets +distance rangers should get -distance. Since a ranger trys to keep its opponent away. Two sin is by far eaiser than ranger so is swash. Should of known the trolls would come out when asking for equality lol. some rangers already have the ability to use their ca's and auto attack at 0m from their epic or myth, but why would they want to keep the same bow forever? just cause its good in pvp?</p></blockquote><p>Devs have already stated that they aren't going to give rangers any other bows or change the myth buff so they can use ranged CA's at 0 range.</p><p>That said,Rangers don't even need this.<em> If you're not max range as a ranger,then you need to reroll..it's that simple.</em></p></blockquote><p>That is not allways a possibility, but whatever. And [Removed for Content] if all rangers are meant to do is be at max range then we should have all ranged ca's just sayin.</p>

Stuckx
05-27-2010, 09:14 PM
<p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So let me get this straight.</p><p>You want rangers to get a boost because they need help in <em>bg's right now</em>?</p><p>Is that what I am reading?</p></blockquote><p>This is the pvp forum...</p></blockquote><p>BG's or PVP..they're both the same. Rangers dont need help in either.</p></blockquote><p>Dude bgs and pvp is not the same for the last time. You can go out and solo in pvp thats not an option for bg. Rangers are a good pvp class... even better with a group that knows what their doing it allows a ranger to hide and pick people off better.</p></blockquote><p>The ruleset is exactly the same,the only diffence is that it's not open world PVP. Rangers can just as easily 'solo' in BG's as they can an open PVP,and 90% of the time..rangers in BG's are off doing this anyways. I don't even both trying to target a ranger to heal in BG's because I know 99% of they time they are off running around doing their own thing,pretending to be gods and picking off easy targets.</p><p>Once again..Rangers do not need a buff,nor do they need the ability to use ranged CA's at 0 meters. They're RANGErs..not pointblank shoot you in the eye with my arrow-ers.</p>

Stuckx
05-27-2010, 09:14 PM
<p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><em>Anyone asking for a boost for rangers</em> is an idiot,or doesn't know how to play the class.</p><p>Yea..I know I'm always calling people names..but I call it like I see it.</p><p><em>Rangers are the easiest scout in the game</em>,and in my opinion..the next OP class after crusaders.</p></blockquote><p>Well one im not asking for a boost.. im asking for equal footing if everyone gets +distance rangers should get -distance. Since a ranger trys to keep its opponent away. Two sin is by far eaiser than ranger so is swash. Should of known the trolls would come out when asking for equality lol. some rangers already have the ability to use their ca's and auto attack at 0m from their epic or myth, but why would they want to keep the same bow forever? just cause its good in pvp?</p></blockquote><p>Devs have already stated that they aren't going to give rangers any other bows or change the myth buff so they can use ranged CA's at 0 range.</p><p>That said,Rangers don't even need this. If you're not max range as a ranger,then you need to reroll..it's that simple.</p></blockquote><p>That is not allways a possibility, but whatever.</p></blockquote><p>It's always a possibility. Use snares/stuns/pointblank shot/your little trap thingy.</p><p>Staying ranged as a ranger is impossibly easy.</p>

Aleste
05-27-2010, 09:19 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><em>Anyone asking for a boost for rangers</em> is an idiot,or doesn't know how to play the class.</p><p>Yea..I know I'm always calling people names..but I call it like I see it.</p><p><em>Rangers are the easiest scout in the game</em>,and in my opinion..the next OP class after crusaders.</p></blockquote><p>Well one im not asking for a boost.. im asking for equal footing if everyone gets +distance rangers should get -distance. Since a ranger trys to keep its opponent away. Two sin is by far eaiser than ranger so is swash. Should of known the trolls would come out when asking for equality lol. some rangers already have the ability to use their ca's and auto attack at 0m from their epic or myth, but why would they want to keep the same bow forever? just cause its good in pvp?</p></blockquote><p>Devs have already stated that they aren't going to give rangers any other bows or change the myth buff so they can use ranged CA's at 0 range.</p><p>That said,Rangers don't even need this. If you're not max range as a ranger,then you need to reroll..it's that simple.</p></blockquote><p>That is not allways a possibility, but whatever.</p></blockquote><p>It's always a possibility. Use snares/stuns/pointblank shot/your little trap thingy.</p><p>Staying ranged as a ranger is impossibly easy.</p></blockquote><p>yeah point plank shot works for a second or two roots and snares also but are easy to pot, or cure and there is no "solo" in bg im talking about 1v1 in the wild. [Removed for Content] do i care about a ruleset? its not the same thing. Hey in team pvp on a server you cant revive untill your group dies.. in bg's you just zerg "same ruleset" when it comes to damage maybe.. just maybe.</p><p>btw staying alive as a warden is impossibly easy also why do you have sig deaths? you should never die!</p>

Stuckx
05-27-2010, 09:21 PM
<p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><em>Anyone asking for a boost for rangers</em> is an idiot,or doesn't know how to play the class.</p><p>Yea..I know I'm always calling people names..but I call it like I see it.</p><p><em>Rangers are the easiest scout in the game</em>,and in my opinion..the next OP class after crusaders.</p></blockquote><p>Well one im not asking for a boost.. im asking for equal footing if everyone gets +distance rangers should get -distance. Since a ranger trys to keep its opponent away. Two sin is by far eaiser than ranger so is swash. Should of known the trolls would come out when asking for equality lol. some rangers already have the ability to use their ca's and auto attack at 0m from their epic or myth, but why would they want to keep the same bow forever? just cause its good in pvp?</p></blockquote><p>Devs have already stated that they aren't going to give rangers any other bows or change the myth buff so they can use ranged CA's at 0 range.</p><p>That said,Rangers don't even need this. If you're not max range as a ranger,then you need to reroll..it's that simple.</p></blockquote><p>That is not allways a possibility, but whatever.</p></blockquote><p>It's always a possibility. Use snares/stuns/pointblank shot/your little trap thingy.</p><p>Staying ranged as a ranger is impossibly easy.</p></blockquote><p>yeah point plank shot works for a second or two roots and snares also but are easy to pot, or cure and there is no "solo" in bg im talking about 1v1 in the wild. [Removed for Content] do i care about a ruleset? its not the same thing. Hey in team pvp on a server you cant revive untill your group dies.. in bg's you just zerg "same ruleset" when it comes to damage maybe.. just maybe.</p></blockquote><p>/shrug</p><p>Look at it how you want..point is,rangers don't need any help,nor do they need the ability to cast CA's at 0 meters.</p>

Aleste
05-27-2010, 09:23 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><em>Anyone asking for a boost for rangers</em> is an idiot,or doesn't know how to play the class.</p><p>Yea..I know I'm always calling people names..but I call it like I see it.</p><p><em>Rangers are the easiest scout in the game</em>,and in my opinion..the next OP class after crusaders.</p></blockquote><p>Well one im not asking for a boost.. im asking for equal footing if everyone gets +distance rangers should get -distance. Since a ranger trys to keep its opponent away. Two sin is by far eaiser than ranger so is swash. Should of known the trolls would come out when asking for equality lol. some rangers already have the ability to use their ca's and auto attack at 0m from their epic or myth, but why would they want to keep the same bow forever? just cause its good in pvp?</p></blockquote><p>Devs have already stated that they aren't going to give rangers any other bows or change the myth buff so they can use ranged CA's at 0 range.</p><p>That said,Rangers don't even need this. If you're not max range as a ranger,then you need to reroll..it's that simple.</p></blockquote><p>That is not allways a possibility, but whatever.</p></blockquote><p>It's always a possibility. Use snares/stuns/pointblank shot/your little trap thingy.</p><p>Staying ranged as a ranger is impossibly easy.</p></blockquote><p>yeah point plank shot works for a second or two roots and snares also but are easy to pot, or cure and there is no "solo" in bg im talking about 1v1 in the wild. [Removed for Content] do i care about a ruleset? its not the same thing. Hey in team pvp on a server you cant revive untill your group dies.. in bg's you just zerg "same ruleset" when it comes to damage maybe.. just maybe.</p></blockquote><p>/shrug</p><p>Look at it how you want..point is,rangers don't need any help,nor do they need the ability to cast CA's at 0 meters.</p></blockquote><p>What im saying is Most rangers already have that ability... needs to stay that way imo. I could just pvp with epic/myth but its lame not to be able to upgrade an item because of the effect... isnt that why they did the myth buff to start with?</p>

Stuckx
05-27-2010, 09:28 PM
<p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><em>Anyone asking for a boost for rangers</em> is an idiot,or doesn't know how to play the class.</p><p>Yea..I know I'm always calling people names..but I call it like I see it.</p><p><em>Rangers are the easiest scout in the game</em>,and in my opinion..the next OP class after crusaders.</p></blockquote><p>Well one im not asking for a boost.. im asking for equal footing if everyone gets +distance rangers should get -distance. Since a ranger trys to keep its opponent away. Two sin is by far eaiser than ranger so is swash. Should of known the trolls would come out when asking for equality lol. some rangers already have the ability to use their ca's and auto attack at 0m from their epic or myth, but why would they want to keep the same bow forever? just cause its good in pvp?</p></blockquote><p>Devs have already stated that they aren't going to give rangers any other bows or change the myth buff so they can use ranged CA's at 0 range.</p><p>That said,Rangers don't even need this. If you're not max range as a ranger,then you need to reroll..it's that simple.</p></blockquote><p>That is not allways a possibility, but whatever.</p></blockquote><p>It's always a possibility. Use snares/stuns/pointblank shot/your little trap thingy.</p><p>Staying ranged as a ranger is impossibly easy.</p></blockquote><p>yeah point plank shot works for a second or two roots and snares also but are easy to pot, or cure and there is no "solo" in bg im talking about 1v1 in the wild. [Removed for Content] do i care about a ruleset? its not the same thing. Hey in team pvp on a server you cant revive untill your group dies.. in bg's you just zerg "same ruleset" when it comes to damage maybe.. just maybe.</p></blockquote><p>/shrug</p><p>Look at it how you want..point is,rangers don't need any help,nor do they need the ability to cast CA's at 0 meters.</p></blockquote><p>What im saying is Most rangers already have that ability... needs to stay that way imo. I could just pvp with epic/myth but its lame not to be able to upgrade an item because of the effect... isnt that why they did the myth buff to start with?</p></blockquote><p>And if they want to keep it,they'll continue to use the myth bow. Their loss,tbh. The myth bow is unique for that 0 meter range. Devs aren't including any other bows with that range,nor are they adding it to the myth buff.</p><p>But as I have said..rangers don't NEED to be able to use CA's at 0 meters. They are a ranged class,they should stay ranged. I don't see any other scouts upset because they can't melee auto attack or use their CA's at bow range.</p>

Aleste
05-27-2010, 09:35 PM
<p>most other stouts have two or three ranged attacks... Rangers have about 6 which we need to be upclose and personal for not at max range. If rangers are a ranged only class make them that way please. Can't even comprehend you mentioning the "little trap thingy" you know the cast time of that thing? (thorny trap) oh a good 5 seconds... come on. Hey im getting chased eh im at max range and they are snared i have 5 seconds to drop a trap lol. And what im saying is the unique things from everyone elses myth went into the buff rangers got screwed and most pvp rangers will use the myth for a long time to come.</p>

Aleste
05-27-2010, 10:01 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><em>Anyone asking for a boost for rangers</em> is an idiot,or doesn't know how to play the class.</p><p>Yea..I know I'm always calling people names..but I call it like I see it.</p><p><em>Rangers are the easiest scout in the game</em>,and in my opinion..the next OP class after crusaders.</p></blockquote><p>Well one im not asking for a boost.. im asking for equal footing if everyone gets +distance rangers should get -distance. Since a ranger trys to keep its opponent away. Two sin is by far eaiser than ranger so is swash. Should of known the trolls would come out when asking for equality lol. some rangers already have the ability to use their ca's and auto attack at 0m from their epic or myth, but why would they want to keep the same bow forever? just cause its good in pvp?</p></blockquote><p>Devs have already stated that they aren't going to give rangers any other bows or change the myth buff so they can use ranged CA's at 0 range.</p><p>That said,Rangers don't even need this. If you're not max range as a ranger,then you need to reroll..it's that simple.</p></blockquote><p>That is not allways a possibility, but whatever.</p></blockquote><p>It's always a possibility. Use snares/stuns/pointblank shot/your little trap thingy.</p><p>Staying ranged as a ranger is impossibly easy.</p></blockquote><p>yeah point plank shot works for a second or two roots and snares also but are easy to pot, or cure and there is no "solo" in bg im talking about 1v1 in the wild. [Removed for Content] do i care about a ruleset? its not the same thing. Hey in team pvp on a server you cant revive untill your group dies.. in bg's you just zerg "same ruleset" when it comes to damage maybe.. just maybe.</p></blockquote><p>/shrug</p><p>Look at it how you want..point is,rangers don't need any help,nor do they need the ability to cast CA's at 0 meters.</p></blockquote><p>What im saying is Most rangers already have that ability... needs to stay that way imo. I could just pvp with epic/myth but its lame not to be able to upgrade an item because of the effect... isnt that why they did the myth buff to start with?</p></blockquote><p>And if they want to keep it,they'll continue to use the myth bow. Their loss,tbh. The myth bow is unique for that 0 meter range. Devs aren't including any other bows with that range,nor are they adding it to the myth buff.</p><p>But as I have said..rangers don't NEED to be able to use CA's at 0 meters. They are a ranged class,they should stay ranged.<strong><em> I don't see any other scouts upset because they can't melee auto attack or use their CA's at bow range.</em></strong></p></blockquote><p>I bet they would complain if they had to stnd still for 3 seconds to cast their ca's and their weapons got consumed when they did.</p>

Stuckx
05-27-2010, 10:05 PM
<p>Complain if you want,but rangers don't need any help,and they dont need to be able to cast CA's at 0 meters..that's all there is to it.</p><p>If you cant succeed as a ranger,then you fail. Ranger is by far the easiest class for PVP(Do not confuse with being overpowered..Crusaders are still the most OP). Tribunal stun cloak will proc pretty much every single time you turn auto attack,giving you a whole 5 seconds to do whatever you want,unless they pot cure it..Still,you have the highest ability to kite in the game..you get a snare they will land every single time from poison,and reapply continuously..you get a ranged root,and I think two ranged snare's,though one requires you be behind your target.</p><p>I'm sorry that your upset because you can't use your bow at 0 meters,but you get enough self utility in the form of snares and stuns,that you absolutely do not need it.</p>

Aleste
05-27-2010, 10:18 PM
<p>It's not a compliant, and its not about self utility. Thing is Rangers are not a ranged class they have several within 5 meter attacks if they are a fully a range class make the 5 meter ca's range. Really its not about 0 meters or kitting if the ranger class is best fighting at range give them more range attacks cause its about 50/50 as it stands.</p>

Zacarus
05-28-2010, 12:35 AM
<p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Seems to me in pvp and bg autoattack and combat art range is increased maybe to compensate for lag. Well why isnt bow range decreased? not very fair you can snare someone or root them and back off to 5m+ and they can still attack you with ca's and autoattacks, but if you play a ranger you can't use your ca's in point blank range without your myth. I dont mind kitting but im just saying doesnt seem right. Also why can mages cast from any range even point blank but a ranger has to maintain distance or its "too close".</p></blockquote><p>I played 60 days on ranger, just switched to 'sin.  If ur crying about ranger in pvp / bg u need to re-roll sk cuz its pretty much the only class that's ezier.</p>

Aleste
05-28-2010, 07:13 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Seems to me in pvp and bg autoattack and combat art range is increased maybe to compensate for lag. Well why isnt bow range decreased? not very fair you can snare someone or root them and back off to 5m+ and they can still attack you with ca's and autoattacks, but if you play a ranger you can't use your ca's in point blank range without your myth. I dont mind kitting but im just saying doesnt seem right. Also why can mages cast from any range even point blank but a ranger has to maintain distance or its "too close".</p></blockquote><p>I played 60 days on ranger, just switched to 'sin.  If ur crying about ranger in pvp / bg u need to re-roll sk cuz its pretty much the only class that's ezier.</p></blockquote><p>WHEN did I say a ranger is to hard to pvp with? I stated a fact melee range is increased in pvp so bow range should be decreased. Im not crying about anything at all I play several toons at cap on a pvp server i know how to play. The simple fact is rangers seem so good in pvp cause autoattack and proc damage thats all a good majority of a RANGER's ca's are 5m or under its lame for a class that should be max range in pvp to not be able to use quite a few of its ca's because everyone else has extended ca and autoattack range.... So either 1. Make ranger ca and autoattack range 0 in pvp 2. get rid of the extension for everyone else or 3. Make all rangers ca's range (more fitting of the class imo). Because its flat out unfair and stupid most rangers dont alot of their hot bar in pvp. It's funny the Dev's wont give rangers 0 range since its a defining ability on the epic. They have gotten alot of bad feedback about it from both pvpers and pvers but hey we can use our epic for the next several expansions... yay</p><p>Ps a ranger should be the most proficient with a bow and able to use it anywhere anytime. They should carry other weapons for stats or looks imo.</p>

Ammem
05-28-2010, 10:20 PM
<p>I am a Wizard, I am a ranged DPS class. Devs please change Fusion so I can cast it at 50 metres... for the sake of equality.</p><p>Aleste you're an idiot, take your politically correct agenda and apply it to real world.</p>

Crismorn
05-28-2010, 11:18 PM
<p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So let me get this straight.</p><p>You want rangers to get a boost because they need help in <em>bg's right now</em>?</p><p>Is that what I am reading?</p></blockquote><p>This is the pvp forum...</p></blockquote><p>BG's or PVP..they're both the same. Rangers dont need help in either.</p></blockquote><p>Dude bgs and pvp is not the same for the last time. You can go out and solo in pvp thats not an option for bg. Rangers are a good pvp class... even better with a group that knows what their doing it allows a ranger to hide and pick people off better.</p></blockquote><p>I solo bg all the time, just turn your group window off</p>

max.power
05-29-2010, 06:10 AM
<p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I stated a fact melee range is increased in pvp so bow range should be decreased.</blockquote><p>You are acting like melee range got increased to 10 or more meters. It isn't. Rangers are one of the last classes that need some love in PvP btw and asking for "equality" here won't get you any sympathy.</p>

Aleste
05-31-2010, 01:54 AM
<p>I didnt ask any of you for a [Removed for Content] thing.. first off and second fenkis is a nub there are what 2 50m bows in game? And um yes wizzy is a range dps class but if someone gets close to you your aa choices can allow you to live longer than a ranger... funny you mention the one button scrub wizzy spell. But you forget 100% of your spells can be cast in melee range. If a 5m penalty was added to spell casting you'd complain i bet. The range bonus doesnt have to be 10m to melee and cas as a ranger every meter counts.</p>

Aleste
05-31-2010, 02:23 AM
<p>Btw.. we can slap you with arrows at 0m we dont need help with that. Any 80-90 pvp ranger should have their epic or myth. That is 0-40 meters thing is we shouldnt have to use it at 90. Since 0m range is unique to our epic it should be in our buff or rangers should have a 0m passive pvp buff. Id love to see mages reduced to hitting ppl with their wands if under 2m.. they would be free updates. You forget rangers are like the mage scouts (long cast times, cant run and cast) yet we have a lame range restriction. And our counter parts, well they get a short recast high dmg port to their target with massive dmg. Anyhow i started the post to get a dev reply not to get flamed for how easy a class is to play in pvp.. go look at the Ranger forums im not the only one who thinks not having 0 range is just dumb.</p>

Stuckx
05-31-2010, 02:29 AM
<p>Just stop whining. Your whole "But rangers are squishy" routine isn't working on anyone. Everyone knows that rangers are far from squishy. They have plenty of survivability,and they do not need to be able to use CA's at 0m.</p><p>Devs have already said they will not add any more bows or buffs for 0m..end of discussion.</p>

Stuckx
05-31-2010, 02:32 AM
<p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=471081#5250074">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...=471081#5250074</a></p><p>There's your response.</p>

Rabbitoh
05-31-2010, 02:52 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><em>Anyone asking for a boost for rangers</em> is an idiot,or doesn't know how to play the class.</p><p>Yea..I know I'm always calling people names..but I call it like I see it.</p><p><em>Rangers are the easiest scout in the game</em>,and in my opinion..the next OP class after crusaders.</p></blockquote><p>Well one im not asking for a boost.. im asking for equal footing if everyone gets +distance rangers should get -distance. Since a ranger trys to keep its opponent away. Two sin is by far eaiser than ranger so is swash. Should of known the trolls would come out when asking for equality lol. some rangers already have the ability to use their ca's and auto attack at 0m from their epic or myth, but why would they want to keep the same bow forever? just cause its good in pvp?</p></blockquote><p>Devs have already stated that they aren't going to give rangers any other bows or change the myth buff so they can use ranged CA's at 0 range.</p><p>That said,Rangers don't even need this. If you're not max range as a ranger,then you need to reroll..it's that simple.</p></blockquote><p>Why would i want to be at max range as a ranger? Lose alot of dps. Think you'd better learn some more learning son!</p><p>BTW rangers could never cast their ca's at 0 range, only auto attack with myth.</p>

Aleste
05-31-2010, 03:47 AM
<p>Didnt know you were a dev..thought you were just a troll popping upto display your leetness. I pay to play ill say what ever i want cyber tough guy. Idc what one dev said devs tend to change their minds very often and posts like the link you posted vanish without a trace. Hell devs get canned or quit before they can impliment changes or fixes... so you never know. As i said alot of rangers are mad about the loss of 0m. We should have it and ill say it as often as i please. 0m or all ranged ca's id be happy with either. 50/50 todps is lame and using half my abilities in pvp is lame. Plain and simple. Guess a few ppl were a bit [Removed for Content] by rangers recently.. i mean devs could let us cast on the move like all other scouts.. who has a problem with that?</p>

Proud_Silence
05-31-2010, 10:32 AM
<p>You're acting like the "increased mellee weapon range" was something like 15m... well it's not, it barely compensates for the lag issues you permanently get "out of range" when actually standing on top of someone. And you want your already sick sick attack radius of anywhere from 35 -50+meters increased even more by lowering minimum range....</p><p><cite>Aleste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's not a compliant, and its not about self utility. <span style="color: #ff0000;">Thing is Rangers are not a ranged class </span>they have several within 5 meter attacks if they are a fully a range class make the 5 meter ca's range. Really its not about 0 meters or kitting if the ranger class is best fighting at range give them <span style="color: #ff0000;">more range attacks cause its about 50/50 as it stands</span>.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #888888;"></span></p><p><span style="color: #888888;">If rangers aren't a ranged class, what class is ? No other class has the ability to inflict as much dmg as rangers from range in first 2 seconds of fight.</span></p><p><span style="color: #888888;">And asking for all your CA's to be ranged is just ...mindnumbing ? what's next demand, all CA's 50m base, and with some AA's make it to 70m ? so you can truly live up to what defines a ranger, being a big wet P**** ?</span></p>