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Owls
05-20-2010, 09:16 PM
<p>Ok here is how it is...</p><p>i get tired of people complaining that classes are OP</p><p>i spent months farming zones to get my fabled gear that makes me beast...</p><p>if your in master crafted you have no right to complain</p><p>i mean seriously check this out</p><p>i can assinate or 2k in pvp and i can autoattack with flurry for more than 4k</p><p>tell me please why i have a recast on a pointless spell and im next on the chopping block for more nerfs.</p><p>if your a whiner please stop im sick of these 20 min fights where nobody wins, thats not pvp, thats weak</p><p>give me my assinate back and dont nerf my shadow step, yeah it hits hard, but look at the debuffs, i debuff your poison miti for over 4k</p><p>serious give me back my dmg, im an assn what else am i good for.</p><p>PLEASE DONT NERF ME</p>

Notsovilepriest
05-20-2010, 09:19 PM
<p>If you think assassins are fine...lol</p>

Greggthegrmreapr
05-20-2010, 09:24 PM
<p>Begging not to be nerfed usually means you need it.</p>

Notsovilepriest
05-20-2010, 09:35 PM
<p>I have an assassin also, when I hit an extremely well geared inq for 15.4k FFU and can spike out almost anyone I want with crap gear...The class is not balanced.</p>

Owls
05-20-2010, 09:37 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have an assassin also, when I hit an extremely well geared inq for 15.4k FFU and can spike out almost anyone I want with crap gear...The class is not balanced.</p></blockquote><p>just cause you can spike some scrub inqi doesnt mean assn is beast</p><p>when the main ability is broken than thats how it is</p><p>if an assn cannot spike people down, than why is it an assn?</p><p>tell me please</p><p>assn is not broken</p><p>its an assn, the one class that has to be behind and stealthed for attacks.</p><p>if you want easy mode go play wow</p>

Stuckx
05-20-2010, 09:39 PM
<p><cite>Owls wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have an assassin also, when I hit an extremely well geared inq for 15.4k FFU and can spike out almost anyone I want with crap gear...The class is not balanced.</p></blockquote><p>just cause you can spike some scrub inqi doesnt mean assn is beast</p><p>when the main ability is broken than thats how it is</p><p>if an assn cannot spike people down, than why is it an assn?</p><p>tell me please</p><p>assn is not broken</p><p>its an assn, the one class that has to be behind and stealthed for attacks.</p><p>if you want easy mode go play wow</p></blockquote><p>You'll have to forgive Owls..he's never been very intelligent,or good at PVP for that matter.</p><p>The fact that he's here trying to say assassins are somehow [Removed for Content] makes it obvious right off the bat that he has no clue what he's talking about.</p><p>Assassins need a nerf.Along with crusaders and rangers.</p>

Notsovilepriest
05-20-2010, 09:40 PM
<p><cite>Owls wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have an assassin also, when I hit an extremely well geared inq for 15.4k FFU and can spike out almost anyone I want with crap gear...The class is not balanced.</p></blockquote><p>just cause you can spike some scrub inqi doesnt mean assn is beast</p><p>when the main ability is broken than thats how it is</p><p>if an assn cannot spike people down, than why is it an assn?</p><p>tell me please</p><p>assn is not broken</p><p>its an assn, the one class that has to be behind and stealthed for attacks.</p><p>if you want easy mode go play wow</p></blockquote><p>You're the one that wants to be able to destroy anyone you please just because you feel it's right. The Inq I hit that on is really well geared, which I said in the post you quoted, but it seems that reading is not your strong point</p>

Owls
05-20-2010, 09:45 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Owls wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have an assassin also, when I hit an extremely well geared inq for 15.4k FFU and can spike out almost anyone I want with crap gear...The class is not balanced.</p></blockquote><p>just cause you can spike some scrub inqi doesnt mean assn is beast</p><p>when the main ability is broken than thats how it is</p><p>if an assn cannot spike people down, than why is it an assn?</p><p>tell me please</p><p>assn is not broken</p><p>its an assn, the one class that has to be behind and stealthed for attacks.</p><p>if you want easy mode go play wow</p></blockquote><p>You're the one that wants to be able to destroy anyone you please just because you feel it's right. The Inq I hit that on is really well geared, which I said in the post you quoted, but it seems that reading is not your strong point</p></blockquote><p>well here is how it is</p><p>i dont like being called op when i spent time to get that way</p><p>im not broken, i am well geard</p><p>i took time to get that way</p><p>take your mc gear and go play your crafter</p><p>i dont care</p><p>just stop complaining that classes that are "SUPPOSED" to one shot becaues they one shot you</p><p>i cant one shot everyone all the time, i can one shot foolz once per 10 min</p><p>you got insta heals once per 5 min</p><p>death prevents once per 5 min</p><p>learn to expect it and pop stuff before you get stiffled down</p><p>if you are on the ball assn never wins, assn wins cause it is sneaky</p><p>they took that away</p><p>i dont use stealth anymore cause it doesnt do more dps than my autoattack</p><p>im not broken cause i dps too much, im broken cause i dps too little</p>

Owls
05-20-2010, 09:51 PM
<p><cite>Owls wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Owls wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have an assassin also, when I hit an extremely well geared inq for 15.4k FFU and can spike out almost anyone I want with crap gear...The class is not balanced.</p></blockquote><p>just cause you can spike some scrub inqi doesnt mean assn is beast</p><p>when the main ability is broken than thats how it is</p><p>if an assn cannot spike people down, than why is it an assn?</p><p>tell me please</p><p>assn is not broken</p><p>its an assn, the one class that has to be behind and stealthed for attacks.</p><p>if you want easy mode go play wow</p></blockquote><p>You're the one that wants to be able to destroy anyone you please just because you feel it's right. The Inq I hit that on is really well geared, which I said in the post you quoted, but it seems that reading is not your strong point</p></blockquote><p>well here is how it is</p><p>i dont like being called op when i spent time to get that way</p><p>im not broken, i am well geard</p><p>i took time to get that way</p><p>take your mc gear and go play your crafter</p><p>i dont care</p><p>just stop complaining that classes that are "SUPPOSED" to one shot becaues they one shot you</p><p>i cant one shot everyone all the time, i can one shot foolz once per 10 min</p><p>you got insta heals once per 5 min</p><p>death prevents once per 5 min</p><p>learn to expect it and pop stuff before you get stiffled down</p><p>if you are on the ball assn never wins, assn wins cause it is sneaky</p><p>they took that away</p><p>i dont use stealth anymore cause it doesnt do more dps than my autoattack</p><p>im not broken cause i dps too much, im broken cause i dps too little</p></blockquote><p>im not asking for guidance, nor skill</p><p>i just want the one shot skill back, where is the 5 second pvp, not the 5 minuted 1v1 with losers</p><p>i would rather be killed in 2 seconds and be able to kill in 2 seconds than have to wait for people to take my flag and outnumber fools 20-1 to kill them</p><p>let me be an assn and not a dps warden, point.</p>

Notsovilepriest
05-20-2010, 09:54 PM
<p>Assassins can still spike people out just fine even without assassinate and shadowstep being as OP as it is.</p>

Owls
05-20-2010, 09:55 PM
<p>wizzies should be able to fission 8 people down at once with frontal, warlocks should be able to one shot foolz with rift, if you got preheals up, than no</p><p>thats what is fun</p><p>the intensity, not the latency</p><p>seriously</p><p>no more long fights, make it fast and explosive</p><p>dps classes need dps, or they got nothing</p>

Zacarus
05-20-2010, 10:04 PM
<p><cite>Owls wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>dont nerf my shadow step</p></blockquote><p>I'm about to betray my 88 ranger to assassin in preparation for the next LU, and I'll fully agree shadow step s/b toned down.  You need to get some objectivity.</p>

Dorsan
05-20-2010, 10:06 PM
Wait Owls, are you serious here or just joking? Because if you seriously think Assassins are not overpowered at the moment then you are dead wrong.

Remmyr
05-20-2010, 10:11 PM
<p> Lololololololollolololololol /gasp LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOL   /gasp ROFLlolololololololololololololololol....thanks Ow ls you rlly made my day when i read what you had to say.... no really... are you a comedian in real life bud?</p><p>That some funny stuff, i play with an assassin in bg's all the time ( and of course ive seen many others do the same thing he does )  It takes him less than half a second sometimes to port over and drop anyone before they even know what went down. By anyone i mean the best people in this game with stacked gear and it really doesnt make a difference if they have 75% mit / 60% avoid or wards/preheals.</p>

Owls
05-20-2010, 10:19 PM
<p>here is my point, shadow step is not melee dmg</p><p>its poison dmg, nobody wears poison gear</p><p>thats why it hurts</p><p>again i will say, i an debuff your poison miti</p><p>learn to play and youll be fine</p><p>run nox pots</p><p>nbd</p><p>assn is not op</p><p>i get smoked all the time</p><p>its easy to smoke MC fools that think the're god</p><p>pala can smoke me</p><p>why cant you?</p><p>dps classes who cant kill peopple in 2 seconds arent dps classes</p><p>i farmed specific zones for 1 year to get the gear i got</p><p>now that i have it i am too powerful?</p><p>forget that</p><p>why would i play everyday if i couldnt be op?</p>

Stuckx
05-20-2010, 10:22 PM
<p>Just stop posting. Every time you reply you just make yourself look even more stupid.</p>

Beagest
05-20-2010, 10:35 PM
<p>It would seem as though Owls is some kind of idiot.</p>

Owls
05-20-2010, 10:46 PM
<p>ok, yeah</p><p>assns can parse in PVE</p><p>in pvp they dont do enough dmg, point</p>

Stuckx
05-20-2010, 10:48 PM
<p><cite>Owls wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>ok, yeah</p><p>assns can parse in PVE</p><p>in pvp they dont do enough dmg, point</p></blockquote><p>In PVP they do more than enough damage. Too much actually,which is why they are getting a nerf.</p><p>Suck more,Owls. You were terrible in T8,and you're still terrible.</p>

Vlahkmaak
05-20-2010, 10:50 PM
<p>Sometimes Owls you have to accept that things are screwed up - I am pretty certain I was the first and only ranger to ever identify Focus Aim was screwed up and sent limited feedback to demonstrate how screwed up it was well before it was ever "fixed."  Using your loging that as an assassin you should be spiking people hard should plate tanks then be mitigating far more assassin damage than we do this x-pac because hey - thats our job. </p><p>This x-pac there is no added mit bonus' on pvp gear so where my self buffed pvp mit was 72 last x-pac its low 60's now in just the pvp gear until pvp combat starts - that means you get a free big hit in just like rangers still get a free focus aim hit?   For all the easy mode classes we play there are classes like summoners that take far to much initial damage vs scouts that are equally geared.  Assassins will remain very strong in pvp even with a small tweak to the shadow line skill.</p><p>There is a difference between a nerf and a fix that is being tested on test - log over and provide some feedback.</p>

Owls
05-20-2010, 10:58 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Sometimes Owls you have to accept that things are screwed up - I am pretty certain I was the first and only ranger to ever identify Focus Aim was screwed up and sent limited feedback to demonstrate how screwed up it was well before it was ever "fixed."  Using your loging that as an assassin you should be spiking people hard should plate tanks then be mitigating far more assassin damage than we do this x-pac because hey - thats our job. </p><p>This x-pac there is no added mit bonus' on pvp gear so where my self buffed pvp mit was 72 last x-pac its low 60's now in just the pvp gear until pvp combat starts - that means you get a free big hit in just like rangers still get a free focus aim hit?   For all the easy mode classes we play there are classes like summoners that take far to much initial damage vs scouts that are equally geared.  Assassins will remain very strong in pvp even with a small tweak to the shadow line skill.</p><p>There is a difference between a nerf and a fix that is being tested on test - log over and provide some feedback.</p></blockquote><p>i agree with you vlak</p><p>your a good playa, always enjoy a good battle with yaz</p><p>just dont think that sins should get the big nerf when there are other problems that need adressing</p><p>on my sin brigs never have trouble jackin me</p><p>thats skill, know how to play a class and youll never get smoked</p><p>i just think that no matter what class you are.. in a pvp 1v1 assn/ranja and lock/wizzi should one shot anyone</p><p>and dont tell me wizzies got it hard and that sumoners cant kill</p><p>against a necro its 50/50 with a sin, depends on resist and stuff like that</p><p>i just like that my monk can be one shotted, its boring having to wait an hour for someone to kill me</p><p>let assns be, if they debuff your nox miti, your gonna get smoked, carry a pot or stop complaining</p>

Stuckx
05-20-2010, 11:02 PM
<p><cite>Owls wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>i just think that no matter what class you are.. in a pvp 1v1 assn/ranja and lock/wizzi should one shot anyone</p><p>and dont tell me wizzies got it hard and that sumoners cant kill</p><p>against a necro its 50/50 with a sin, depends on resist and stuff like that</p></blockquote><p>This. This proves that you're an idiot. If you can't kill a necro,or any summoner,then you need to reroll.</p><p>Here..I'll tell you how to do it.</p><p> Macro jugular slice to shadow step,spam click it until both land,then lulz when the summoner falls over dead.</p>

Dorsan
05-20-2010, 11:02 PM
Owls, you have put Stuckx, Ssofa and me on the same side. I didn't thought it was possible. You are amazing.

Remmyr
05-20-2010, 11:07 PM
<p>Owls how could you possibly in the right mind argue that<strong> hitting one button and/or</strong> <strong>Killing someone in one hit Is the way pvp should be? </strong>How much skill do you think that takes? how many people other than you actually want that for their class? you should ask yourself those questions..because right now it just seems to everyone that you dont actually know what you're doing on your assassin or understand pvp too well at all.</p>

Kota
05-21-2010, 12:09 AM
try counterstrike

Erriondrivan
05-21-2010, 09:49 AM
<p>LULZ... I'm pretty sure owls was the super-terrible brawler that was in Hooligans for like, 1 day....</p><p>Man he was awful.</p>

MaCloud1032
05-21-2010, 11:13 AM
Ok getting hit for 13k from shadowstep is extreamly OP. I personaly love long pvp fights proves that people have skill to counter other classes. Wanting to oneshot people only means you can't hold your own. I bet if some one lives thru you shadowstep/assassinate macro you run like a girl. And seriously I may not be able to spell but leave the gangsta talk and fragmented sentances for vent. It just proves our thoughts on your idiosy. Assassins, rangers, shadowknights, pallys, zerkers, and all other flavor of the month/expansion need to tuned either down or left alone as others are buffed

noobsauce01
05-21-2010, 11:53 AM
<p><cite>Owls wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Owls wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have an assassin also, when I hit an extremely well geared inq for 15.4k FFU and can spike out almost anyone I want with crap gear...The class is not balanced.</p></blockquote><p>just cause you can spike some scrub inqi doesnt mean assn is beast</p><p>when the main ability is broken than thats how it is</p><p>if an assn cannot spike people down, than why is it an assn?</p><p>tell me please</p><p>assn is not broken</p><p>its an assn, the one class that has to be behind and stealthed for attacks.</p><p>if you want easy mode go play wow</p></blockquote><p>You're the one that wants to be able to destroy anyone you please just because you feel it's right. The Inq I hit that on is really well geared, which I said in the post you quoted, but it seems that reading is not your strong point</p></blockquote><p>well here is how it is</p><p>i dont like being called op when i spent time to get that way</p><p>im not broken, i am well geard</p><p>i took time to get that way</p><p>take your mc gear and go play your crafter</p><p>i dont care</p><p>just stop complaining that classes that are "SUPPOSED" to one shot becaues they one shot you</p><p>i cant one shot everyone all the time, i can one shot foolz once per 10 min</p><p>you got insta heals once per 5 min</p><p>death prevents once per 5 min</p><p>learn to expect it and pop stuff before you get stiffled down</p><p>if you are on the ball assn never wins, assn wins cause it is sneaky</p><p>they took that away</p><p>i dont use stealth anymore cause it doesnt do more dps than my autoattack</p><p>im not broken cause i dps too much, im broken cause i dps too little</p></blockquote><p> Umm, if you want to avoid the nerf bat, then stop addmitting to being OP. Just a word of advice. You started a thread saying "dont nerf me" then proceed to say you're OP. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>"i dont like being called op when i spent time to get that way"</p><p>You spent time getting what way?...If you belive your class is is OVER powered, then you should be okay with an adjustment to bring it into balance.</p>

Neskonlith
05-21-2010, 01:18 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Macro jugular slice to shadow step,spam click it until both land,then lulz when the summoner falls over dead.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Jugular Slice needs to hit from stealth, so your macro won't work.</span></p>

MaCloud1032
05-21-2010, 01:25 PM
It will with the new pred aa rhat let's all stealth attacks hit without being in stealth

Neskonlith
05-21-2010, 01:47 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>It will with the new pred aa rhat let's all stealth attacks hit without being in stealth</blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">He didn't have Predator's Final Trick (<em>12s duration/5min recast endline AA</em>) in his spam macro (SS+JS).</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Even with PFT, (PFT+SS+JS) would be a "meh" macro, since abilites are resisted, dodged or parried often enough to make risk burning PFT in a macro a nooblet mistake, kind of like an SK opening up with HT.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Better way is to not use macros like a "<em>one-button wonder</em>", but rather use in a sequence as necessary SS+PFT+MB+JS+Ambush+FFU - hits missed would be covered by other useful CAs. </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Sorry for the derail, so let's get back on topic.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">nerfs scouts! nerf scouts! nerf scouts! nerf scouts!</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">lol</span></p>

Stuckx
05-21-2010, 02:05 PM
<p><cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Macro jugular slice to shadow step,spam click it until both land,then lulz when the summoner falls over dead.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Jugular Slice needs to hit from stealth, so your macro won't work.</span></p></blockquote><p>Thats what PFT is for.</p>

Neskonlith
05-21-2010, 02:07 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Macro jugular slice to shadow step,spam click it until both land,then lulz when the summoner falls over dead.</p></blockquote><p> <span style="color: #ff0000;">Jugular Slice needs to hit from stealth, so your macro won't work.</span> </p></blockquote><p>Thats what PFT is for.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">PFT is not a passive ability, so it would need to be added to your macro... macros are for the weak.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Go Dirge for real pvp!</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">/flex</span></p>

Snosael
05-21-2010, 02:17 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You'll have to forgive Owls..he's never been very intelligent,or good at PVP for that matter.</p><p>The fact that he's here trying to say assassins are somehow [Removed for Content] makes it obvious right off the bat that he has no clue what he's talking about.</p><p>Assassins need a nerf.Along with crusaders <span style="color: #00ff00;"><strong>and rangers.</strong></span></p></blockquote><p>i love how ppl always throw that in for no reason.   its pretty much the hallmark of either a bluebie player, some wearing treasured gear, or a noob.  Right now, in T9 if u are a healer, press 1 heal button and you have just won the fight vs a ranger,  if they dont run away.  If you are a tank, put a few aa into defense and you can stay afk and win vs a ranger. </p><p>I guess if u are a bard, i would agree tho.</p>

Neskonlith
05-21-2010, 02:21 PM
<p><cite>Snosael wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I guess if u are a bard, i would agree tho. </p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">While my Dirge dies ~2s to a massive arrow+proc storm, there's really no need to nerf Rangers... I just run behind a Conjie and let them absorb the damage!</span></p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /></p>

MaCloud1032
05-21-2010, 02:26 PM
/mourns the conji

Kaita
05-21-2010, 07:24 PM
<p>I'm Surprised they let OWLS even post on the forums. </p>

Stuckx
05-21-2010, 07:53 PM
<p><cite>Snosael wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You'll have to forgive Owls..he's never been very intelligent,or good at PVP for that matter.</p><p>The fact that he's here trying to say assassins are somehow [Removed for Content] makes it obvious right off the bat that he has no clue what he's talking about.</p><p>Assassins need a nerf.Along with crusaders <span style="color: #00ff00;"><strong>and rangers.</strong></span></p></blockquote><p>i love how ppl always throw that in for no reason.   its pretty much the hallmark of either a bluebie player, some wearing treasured gear, or a noob.  Right now, in T9 if u are a healer, press 1 heal button and you have just won the fight vs a ranger,  if they dont run away.  If you are a tank, put a few aa into defense and you can stay afk and win vs a ranger. </p><p>I guess if u are a bard, i would agree tho.</p></blockquote><p>You must really be a terrible ranger then. Rangers can attack from out of anyone else's spell casting range,can kite better than any other class in the game,and hit for more damage on an auto attack than most casters do on their biggest spell.</p><p>L2P or reroll if you're terrible as a ranger.</p>

Eboncross
05-22-2010, 07:15 PM
<p>All scouts are OP with track and evac. </p><p>oh yeah while you're at it Nerf Wardens too</p>

Naggasaki
05-23-2010, 01:19 AM
<p>^^^ I was seriously about to post this.</p><p>"one word...Wardens"</p>

Stuckx
05-23-2010, 01:33 AM
<p>Don't see why you think wardens need to be nerfed..they aren't running around killing people with 2-4k auto attacks,and most good scouts can kill them.</p>

Notsovilepriest
05-23-2010, 03:33 AM
<p><img src="http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3963/ffu.jpg" width="342" height="34" /></p><p>17,086 Damage to a Plate Wearing Healer...Totally not in need of a nerf or fix, Working as intended. Right Owls?</p>

Naggasaki
05-23-2010, 03:51 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Don't see why you think wardens need to be nerfed..they aren't running around killing people with 2-4k auto attacks,and most good scouts can kill them.</p></blockquote><p>Two things</p><p>First, my main is in fact an SK and yes, they are op.</p><p>Second, my alt is an 83 warden that I'm just tooling around on atm. I got into a fight with a 90 SK *who shall remain nameless* and the fight was long, drawn out and omg annoying as all get out. But there is absolutely NO reason one character in tier 8 pvp gear should stand up against another OP class 7 levels above him, in full tier 9 PvP gear. This is just a text book example of being OP.</p><p>*now i'll admit, wardens are designed to be able to heal against epic mobs, but ... really?*</p>

Stuckx
05-23-2010, 04:06 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Don't see why you think wardens need to be nerfed..they aren't running around killing people with 2-4k auto attacks,and most good scouts can kill them.</p></blockquote><p>Two things</p><p>First, my main is in fact an SK and yes, they are op.</p><p>Second, my alt is an 83 warden that I'm just tooling around on atm. I got into a fight with a 90 SK *who shall remain nameless* and the fight was long, drawn out and omg annoying as all get out. But there is absolutely NO reason one character in tier 8 pvp gear should stand up against another OP class 7 levels above him, in full tier 9 PvP gear. This is just a text book example of being OP.</p><p>*now i'll admit, wardens are designed to be able to heal against epic mobs, but ... really?*</p></blockquote><p>And if that 83 warden had run into a 90 scout,he would have died within a few seconds.</p><p>Contrary to popular belief,tanks are not DPS.</p>

Naggasaki
05-23-2010, 04:12 AM
<p>lol...I said SK. Not 'random tank number 3'. And if you are arguing that SK's are not a high DPS class, let alone probably one of the most OP classes in the game, then I honestly have nothing more to say.</p>

Stuckx
05-23-2010, 04:15 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>lol...I said SK. Not 'random tank number 3'. And if you are arguing that SK's are not a high DPS class, let alone probably one of the most OP classes in the game, then I honestly have nothing more to say.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not arguing that at all. It's a fact that SK's are OP,and they do way too much DPS..but they don't do near as much DPS as any decent scout. Healing through an SK's DPS as a green healer of any type wouldn't be very difficult,assuming you aren't a noob.</p>

Naggasaki
05-23-2010, 04:20 AM
<p>True enough that my warden has been rick rolled by even con scouts in a matter of seconds. Mostly Brigands and Swashbucklers. But that's more in the 'auto attack' argument is it not? I mean, with 'agility' being their primary stat now and crit chances being above 100% and many getting their double attack over 100% as well, most 'rouges' just have to look at a warden and it dies. But the OP is complaining that he's put time and effort into being OP.  So I guess my argument is rightfully just this.</p><p>NO CLASS IS OP IF YOU DON'T PUT THE RIGHT GEAR ON!</p>

Stuckx
05-23-2010, 04:24 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>True enough that my warden has been rick rolled by even con scouts in a matter of seconds. Mostly Brigands and Swashbucklers. But that's more in the 'auto attack' argument is it not? I mean, with 'agility' being their primary stat now and crit chances being above 100% and many getting their double attack over 100% as well, most 'rouges' just have to look at a warden and it dies. But the OP is complaining that he's put time and effort into being OP.  So I guess my argument is rightfully just this.</p><p>NO CLASS IS OP IF YOU DON'T PUT THE RIGHT GEAR ON!</p></blockquote><p>Yea,but for some classes,like crusaders and zerkers,getting that gear that makes them OP is relatively easy. BG gear by itself makes crusaders Op,with the damage reduction and the heal procs.</p><p>For scouts(I am not saying scous are okay as the are now,the need an auto attack nerf IMO) getting that gear is a little harder. The BG gear for the most part isn't as affective as the raid gear for them,and it's the same for healers. The warden BG gear,in my opinion,is absolutely terrible. The ward proc on the pants/shoulders will only land on the warden on group heals,and the jewelery is all sub-par. A warden in full raid armor(the pants ward actually procs on the whole group) and jewelery will do far better keeping their group up than a warden is BG gear.</p>

Naggasaki
05-23-2010, 04:44 AM
<p>Ok, Darkenn, this is not directed at you so please don't mis-read what I'm about to say.</p><p>Can we PLEASE, for the love of GAWD get some clear seperation between Battlegrounds and Open PvP. Two seperate threads on the forum is clearly not doing the job. This is getting stupid. I got into an argument with another player over a 'PvP' topic and he threw the 'this is battlegrounds section' card on it, when their post CLEARLY stated '...disabled in PvP and Battlegrounds'.</p><p>The mixing of these two areas has caused so much chaos on Nagafen *and I'm sure other global PvP servers as well* that most of us can't even see clearly which forum we're actually discussing an issue.</p><p>Now then, I haven't looked at the 'open world PvP' gear for wardens for Tier 9 yet. Are they as abismal as you state that the BG's gear is?</p><p>Also, IMO, Raid gear should always be, even if only moderately, better than PvP gear. The 'toughness' stat is a failure to begin with for PvP servers.   </p>

Stuckx
05-23-2010, 04:49 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ok, Darkenn, this is not directed at you so please don't mis-read what I'm about to say.</p><p>Can we PLEASE, for the love of GAWD get some clear seperation between Battlegrounds and Open PvP. Two seperate threads on the forum is clearly not doing the job. This is getting stupid. I got into an argument with another player over a 'PvP' topic and he threw the 'this is battlegrounds section' card on it, when their post CLEARLY stated '...disabled in PvP and Battlegrounds'.</p><p>The mixing of these two areas has caused so much chaos on Nagafen *and I'm sure other global PvP servers as well* that most of us can't even see clearly which forum we're actually discussing an issue.</p><p>Now then, I haven't looked at the 'open world PvP' gear for wardens for Tier 9 yet. Are they as abismal as you state that the BG's gear is?</p><p>Also, IMO, Raid gear should always be, even if only moderately, better than PvP gear. The 'toughness' stat is a failure to begin with for PvP servers.   </p></blockquote><p>Unfortunately,since PVP gear and BG gear are EXACTLY the same..there's very little separation at the moment.</p><p>As for raid gear being better than PVP gear..I have mixed feelings on the subject..I feel that PVP gear should be viable as top gear for PVP..but at the same time,I feel raid gear should be top end as well,because of the effort put in to get it..I raid to PVP,and I hate that they are trying to separte the two by adding toughness to PVP gear.</p>

Crismorn
05-23-2010, 05:27 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Owls wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>i just think that no matter what class you are.. in a pvp 1v1 assn/ranja and lock/wizzi should one shot anyone</p><p>and dont tell me wizzies got it hard and that sumoners cant kill</p><p>against a necro its 50/50 with a sin, depends on resist and stuff like that</p></blockquote><p>This. This proves that you're an idiot. If you can't kill a necro,or any summoner,then you need to reroll.</p><p>Here..I'll tell you how to do it.</p><p><span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Macro jugular slice to shadow step,spam click it until both land,then lulz when the summoner falls over dead.</span> Turn auto attack on</p></blockquote>

Naggasaki
05-23-2010, 05:35 AM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Owls wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>i just think that no matter what class you are.. in a pvp 1v1 assn/ranja and lock/wizzi should one shot anyone</p><p>and dont tell me wizzies got it hard and that sumoners cant kill</p><p>against a necro its 50/50 with a sin, depends on resist and stuff like that</p></blockquote><p>This. This proves that you're an idiot. If you can't kill a necro,or any summoner,then you need to reroll.</p><p>Here..I'll tell you how to do it.</p><p><span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Macro jugular slice to shadow step,spam click it until both land,then lulz when the summoner falls over dead.</span> Turn auto attack on</p></blockquote></blockquote><p>Ya know, there's something that has been bothering me. You sir, speak like you have oh so much experience and authority on the PvP ruleset and the server status. Yet, Solkastor has a whopping 21 hours and 32 minutes of play time.I guess in a days worth of PvP on nagafen at level 21 you have suddenly become the 'expert' on what actually works in open world?</p><p>/flame off</p>

Brigh
05-23-2010, 07:39 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>All scouts are OP with track and evac.</p><p>oh yeah while you're at it Nerf Wardens too</p></blockquote><p>SK's should never have been given evac in the first place. The only tank with innate evac...why devs?</p>

Brigh
05-23-2010, 07:45 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Don't see why you think wardens need to be nerfed..they aren't running around killing people with 2-4k auto attacks,and most good scouts can kill them.</p></blockquote><p>Two things</p><p>First, my main is in fact an SK and yes, they are op.</p><p>Second, my alt is an 83 warden that I'm just tooling around on atm. I got into a fight with a 90 SK *who shall remain nameless* and the fight was long, drawn out and omg annoying as all get out. <span style="color: #ff6600;">But there is absolutely NO reason one character in tier 8 pvp gear should stand up against another OP class 7 levels above him, in full tier 9 PvP gear. This is just a text book example of being OP.</span></p><p>*now i'll admit, wardens are designed to be able to heal against epic mobs, but ... really?*</p></blockquote><p>This can happen in even lower tiers.</p><p>I was fighting a low 60s sk (blue...or was he green at the time, don't remember was couple weeks ago) not in pvp gear according to his eq2players profile (fabled T6 legs at the time, legendary pieces, maybe couple mc, no pvp jewelry set bonuses), and with 50s pvp gear, legendary/fabled/mc filling in the other slots not covered by T6 65 unavailable as yet pvp sets, and full 5 piece bonus pvp buffs on myself, it basically came to a draw.</p>

MaCloud1032
05-23-2010, 10:42 AM
<p><cite>Brigh wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>All scouts are OP with track and evac.</p><p>oh yeah while you're at it Nerf Wardens too</p></blockquote><p>SK's should never have been given evac in the first place. The only tank with innate evac...why devs?</p></blockquote><p>It goes back to a time no so long ago in terms of game time that SK's were the bottem of the barrol in terms of tanking.  They had lots of tools for solo/save butt stuff but lacked in others.  What a lot of people forget untill TSO SK's realy had to know there class to shine.  Having to spread stats across all stats made them very high end gear dependant.  Also before the reducing of cast timers we were easyly inturpted.  The constand dumming down of this game makes classes that were difficult to master simply easy.(and when the dev finaly over buff the class........)</p><p>Evac is simply the same as our FD. A o crap i pulled to much tool or a iam about to die tool same as wardens evac or wizzy's</p>

Neskonlith
05-23-2010, 03:08 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><img src="http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3963/ffu.jpg" width="342" height="34" /></p><p>17,086 Damage to a Plate Wearing Healer...Totally not in need of a nerf or fix, Working as intended. Right Owls?</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Actually, you should be posting the full parse in the <span style="color: #ff00ff;">"don't allow raid gear in pvp"</span> threads - you got rolled by a bluebie raider stacking potency and CB.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Sure wil be nice to parse this stuff out after Tuesday's adjustments, and see how much has changed.</span></p>

Notsovilepriest
05-23-2010, 03:11 PM
<p><cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><img src="http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3963/ffu.jpg" width="342" height="34" /></p><p>17,086 Damage to a Plate Wearing Healer...Totally not in need of a nerf or fix, Working as intended. Right Owls?</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Actually, you should be posting the full parse in the <span style="color: #ff00ff;">"don't allow raid gear in pvp"</span> threads - you got rolled by a bluebie raider stacking potency and CB.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Sure wil be nice to parse this stuff out after Tuesday's adjustments, and see how much has changed.</span></p></blockquote><p>He isn't wearing much raid gear honestly</p>

Neskonlith
05-23-2010, 03:36 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><img src="http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3963/ffu.jpg" width="342" height="34" /></p><p>17,086 Damage to a Plate Wearing Healer...Totally not in need of a nerf or fix, Working as intended. Right Owls?</p></blockquote><p> <span style="color: #ff0000;">Actually, you should be posting the full parse in the "don't allow raid gear in pvp" threads - you got rolled by a bluebie raider stacking potency and CB.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Sure wil be nice to parse this stuff out after Tuesday's adjustments, and see how much has changed.</span>  </p></blockquote><p>He isn't wearing much raid gear <span style="color: #ff00ff; font-size: small;">honestly</span></p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Are you really,<em> really</em> being honest?  I mean, we can totally trust you this time?</span></p><p><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/Permafrost/Supavog/">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/...afrost/Supavog/</a></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Looks like he's only wearing raid pieces in the head, cloak, shoulder, forearm, glove, feet, primary weapon, secondary weapon, bow, charm 1, charm 2, ring, and neck slots.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">From the looks of the items, he's stacking potency and Crit Bonus, and that's likely what done "rung yer bell" when he crit on FFU.</span></p>

Notsovilepriest
05-23-2010, 03:45 PM
<p><cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><img src="http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3963/ffu.jpg" width="342" height="34" /></p><p>17,086 Damage to a Plate Wearing Healer...Totally not in need of a nerf or fix, Working as intended. Right Owls?</p></blockquote><p> <span style="color: #ff0000;">Actually, you should be posting the full parse in the "don't allow raid gear in pvp" threads - you got rolled by a bluebie raider stacking potency and CB.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Sure wil be nice to parse this stuff out after Tuesday's adjustments, and see how much has changed.</span>  </p></blockquote><p>He isn't wearing much raid gear <span style="font-size: small; color: #ff00ff;">honestly</span></p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Are you really,<em> really</em> being honest?  I mean, we can totally trust you this time?</span></p><p><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/Permafrost/Supavog/">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/...afrost/Supavog/</a></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Looks like he's only wearing raid pieces in the head, cloak, shoulder, forearm, glove, feet, primary weapon, secondary weapon, bow, charm 1, charm 2, ring, and neck slots.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">From the looks of the items, he's stacking potency and Crit Bonus, and that's likely what done "rung yer bell" when he crit on FFU.</span></p></blockquote><p>Ok, Head(Last Teir Raid = Last Teir PvP), Cloak T7 Raid Cloak, Feet (T8 Raid Boots = Last Teir PvP gear), Forearm (Last Teir raid= Last Teir PvP), Myth or Myth Buff is now a norm and I hardly consider it a raid item, I'll give you the others, but they are all from easy mode mobs and forget they are even raid drops seeing as nobody in my guild gets any of that stuff other thant he toenail which our chanters want.</p><p>Also, I was thinking you were meaning this teirs raid gear honestly.</p>

Neskonlith
05-23-2010, 04:16 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Also, I was thinking you were meaning this teirs raid gear honestly.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Older Tier stuff can be just as good or even better than current gear - look at the various Avatar items people are complaining about - it's old and not current tier but still kicks it over T9 stuff.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">That assassin's cherry-picking for Pot & CB paid off when he found you in the BeeGees, as it appears you are using too much PVE gear without getting some PVP pieces in for Toughness.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Your Inq on <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/Nagafen/Ssofaa/" target="_blank">Station Players still shows some MC pieces & Legendary </a>- even your chest piece.  </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">I hope you have pvp gear in your bags, because that pve setup looks like an easy update.</span></p>

Notsovilepriest
05-23-2010, 05:06 PM
<p><cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Also, I was thinking you were meaning this teirs raid gear honestly.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Older Tier stuff can be just as good or even better than current gear - look at the various Avatar items people are complaining about - it's old and not current tier but still kicks it over T9 stuff.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">That assassin's cherry-picking for Pot & CB paid off when he found you in the BeeGees, as it appears you are using too much PVE gear without getting some PVP pieces in for Toughness.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Your Inq on <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/Nagafen/Ssofaa/" target="_blank">Station Players still shows some MC pieces & Legendary </a>- even your chest piece.  </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">I hope you have pvp gear in your bags, because that pve setup looks like an easy update.</span></p></blockquote><p>It was on my templar, Ssofa</p>

Neskonlith
05-23-2010, 05:22 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It was on my templar, Ssofa</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Your Templar of Doom, Ssofa, is privacy covered like a plastic sheet on a couch so I can't tell how it is geared compared to your Inq.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">We've got class balance adjustments inc with GU56 on Tuesday which affects all classes, so we'll have to see how parses look as people play after the changes.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Keep ACT handy, there's some fun stuff coming up!</span></p>