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PeterJohn
03-08-2010, 12:12 PM
<p>I've noticed all the good Nagafen healers are wearing items that proc fear whenever I hit them. So call me a noob, but how do I get one of these for my healer? I am on a PvE server, and I don't believe I've seen an item with any decent fear proc on damage. Is this only available to Nagafen players?</p>

Wytie
03-08-2010, 12:32 PM
<p>Its an old pvp item that is sold from the ROK pvp only merchants which is 2 xpacs old and was in the game long before BG's.</p><p>Most nonhealers on my server have hated that item for quite some time.</p>

PeterJohn
03-08-2010, 12:53 PM
<p>Hmm, I would suggest that SoE make an item like this available to PvE players in that case. Make the effect only active in PvP, I don't care about having it on my blue server, but I would love to have this in game. Either that or make the item's fear proc only work on the Nagafen server and not in BG.</p><p> Seems kind of unfair that PvP server players have access to items that we don't. </p>

Wytie
03-08-2010, 01:02 PM
<p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hmm, I would suggest that SoE make an item like this available to PvE players in that case. Make the effect only active in PvP, I don't care about having it on my blue server, but I would love to have this in game. Either that or make the item's fear proc only work on the Nagafen server and not in BG.</p><p> Seems kind of unfair that PvP server players have access to items that we don't. </p></blockquote><p>This isnt anything new.</p><p>We have had access to items you dont for a very very very long time. Its called pvp gear and anyone of you can have it that plays on pvp servers.</p><p>You all have chosen to play on servers without pvp gear or pvp, which is why you dont have it. There are tons of items we have gotten over the years that only pvp servers get access to. Its part of the perk for playing on a pvp server.</p><p>Its not BG gear and I hope it never is. This item needs to go away not be reborn its almost 2 years old its a level 80 item.</p>

Geothe
03-08-2010, 01:14 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hmm, I would suggest that SoE make an item like this available to PvE players in that case. Make the effect only active in PvP, I don't care about having it on my blue server, but I would love to have this in game. Either that or make the item's fear proc only work on the Nagafen server and not in BG.</p><p> Seems kind of unfair that PvP server players have access to items that we don't. </p></blockquote><p>This isnt anything new.</p><p>We have had access to items you dont for a very very very long time. Its called pvp gear and anyone of you can have it that plays on pvp servers.</p><p>You all have chosen to play on servers without pvp gear or pvp, which is why you dont have it. There are tons of items we have gotten over the years that only pvp servers get access to. Its part of the perk for playing on a pvp server.</p><p>Its not BG gear and I hope it never is. This item needs to go away not be reborn its almost 2 years old its a level 80 item.</p></blockquote><p>Then disable that item in the BGs all together.Because the issue in this matter is that it is a proc that IS found in the BGs, and players from PvE servers have no access to anything similar.Other gear will reach parity over time as PvEers earn tokens and pick up the new BG Armor/Jewelry Weapons.  So the head start that PvP players currently have in gear will equalize over time.However, that is not the case with this fear proc gear, as PvE servers have ZERO access to it, no matter how much time invested.</p>

Jasuo
03-08-2010, 01:15 PM
<p>if they either added a similar effect to new gear or made the old effect useless in BG it'd make posts like these go away</p>

Wytie
03-08-2010, 01:23 PM
<p><cite>Geothe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hmm, I would suggest that SoE make an item like this available to PvE players in that case. Make the effect only active in PvP, I don't care about having it on my blue server, but I would love to have this in game. Either that or make the item's fear proc only work on the Nagafen server and not in BG.</p><p> Seems kind of unfair that PvP server players have access to items that we don't. </p></blockquote><p>This isnt anything new.</p><p>We have had access to items you dont for a very very very long time. Its called pvp gear and anyone of you can have it that plays on pvp servers.</p><p>You all have chosen to play on servers without pvp gear or pvp, which is why you dont have it. There are tons of items we have gotten over the years that only pvp servers get access to. Its part of the perk for playing on a pvp server.</p><p>Its not BG gear and I hope it never is. This item needs to go away not be reborn its almost 2 years old its a level 80 item.</p></blockquote><p>Then disable that item in the BGs all together.Because the issue in this matter is that it is a proc that IS found in the BGs, and players from PvE servers have no access to anything similar.Other gear will reach parity over time as PvEers earn tokens and pick up the new BG Armor/Jewelry Weapons.  So the head start that PvP players currently have in gear will equalize over time.However, that is not the case with this fear proc gear, as PvE servers have ZERO access to it, no matter how much time invested.</p></blockquote><p>I understand where you are comming from but I find it rather comical that someone from a pve server is upset that someone from a pvp server has an advantage over you in pvp because of pvp gear.</p><p>We didnt ask for BG, I dont like the fact that you pve server people get any kind of pvp gear at all without having to level up and earn it on our server period but thats not yours or my choice.</p><p>You should be happy you get the same T9 stuff as us, but I will never agree with you to ever get access to OLD pvp gear.</p><p>Id love to have some old avatar gear but that aint happening either. Sure we could have got it back then but then again you could have rolled on a pvp server like the rest of us before BG ever went live.</p><p>You cant have your cake and eat it too.</p>

Wytie
03-08-2010, 01:25 PM
<p><cite>Jasuo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>if they either added a similar effect to new gear or made the old effect useless in BG it'd make posts like these go away</p></blockquote><p>If they would have nerfed/removed this item years ago when we( people who play on pvp servers) complained about it being overpowered it would have made post like these nonexistant too.</p>

PeterJohn
03-08-2010, 01:30 PM
<p>Saying that it is too bad we didn't roll on a PvP server is BS. Battlegrounds is a new zone open to all servers. The rules and equipment opportunities should be the same for both sides. (I don't care that you had a head start, I'll catch up to you soon.) Not having equal opportunities creates an imbalance that is going to turn players away.</p><p>Imagine for a minute that there was a RING OF INSTANT PLAYER KILL available only on blue servers. Not just harder to get on a PvP server, but just simply did not exist at all on any but blue servers. Now imagine that I was allowed to bring this item into BG and use on you Nagafen folks. I highly doubt that anyone from a PvP server would ever think that was fair, and you would hear the exact same complaints as you are hearing now about this fear proc ring.</p>

Guld_Ulrish
03-08-2010, 01:56 PM
<p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p>

Wytie
03-08-2010, 02:15 PM
<p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Saying that it is too bad we didn't roll on a PvP server is BS. Battlegrounds is a new zone open to all servers. The rules and equipment opportunities should be the same for both sides. (I don't care that you had a head start, I'll catch up to you soon.) Not having equal opportunities creates an imbalance that is going to turn players away.</p><p>Imagine for a minute that there was a RING OF INSTANT PLAYER KILL available only on blue servers. Not just harder to get on a PvP server, but just simply did not exist at all on any but blue servers. Now imagine that I was allowed to bring this item into BG and use on you Nagafen folks. I highly doubt that anyone from a PvP server would ever think that was fair, and you would hear the exact same complaints as you are hearing now about this fear proc ring.</p></blockquote><p>You might have a point if the fear proc actually killed you. Fear does no damage so the context which you are using as an argument is so far off it doesnt even make sense.</p><p>What you need to understand is, pvp servers and our gear has been around much much longer than BG's.</p><p>Also you need to also understand its not much differnt to us than avatar gear, which no one has access to now.</p><p>This ring is 1 item, we have many many more items you dont even know about that are probably owning face in BG's too.</p><p>If you want the best pvp gear then level up and earn it on a pvp server like we all had too, otherwise be happy you even get BG and its gear at all on a pve server.</p>

CS-Crymzon
03-08-2010, 02:15 PM
<p>Found a bunch of items from t5 fabled with fear proc. Looks like they are all 5% chance. What's the chance to proc on the pvp item?</p>

Taldier
03-08-2010, 02:24 PM
<p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Saying that it is too bad we didn't roll on a PvP server is BS. Battlegrounds is a new zone open to all servers. The rules and equipment opportunities should be the same for both sides. (I don't care that you had a head start, I'll catch up to you soon.) Not having equal opportunities creates an imbalance that is going to turn players away.</p><p>Imagine for a minute that there was a RING OF INSTANT PLAYER KILL available only on blue servers. Not just harder to get on a PvP server, but just simply did not exist at all on any but blue servers. Now imagine that I was allowed to bring this item into BG and use on you Nagafen folks. I highly doubt that anyone from a PvP server would ever think that was fair, and you would hear the exact same complaints as you are hearing now about this fear proc ring.</p></blockquote><p>Dont you think comparing an item that occasionally fears you to a "ring of instant death" is slightly hyperbolic?</p><p>Really they should just nerf the proc on the stupid thing.  Nerf the overpowered quested t7 stun cloak while they're at it.</p><p>If you want pvp gear, roll on a pvp server, and actually contribute to the pvp servers.  You already get free t9 pvp gear from the bgs.  Either that or make the bg tokens into "buy whatever the F$*% you want" tokens so I can get a shiny pair of t7 avatar boots.</p>

PeterJohn
03-08-2010, 03:05 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Dont you think comparing an item that occasionally fears you to a "ring of instant death" is slightly hyperbolic?</p><p>Really they should just nerf the proc on the stupid thing.  Nerf the overpowered quested t7 stun cloak while they're at it.</p><p>If you want pvp gear, roll on a pvp server, and actually contribute to the pvp servers.  You already get free t9 pvp gear from the bgs.  Either that or make the bg tokens into "buy whatever the F$*% you want" tokens so I can get a shiny pair of t7 avatar boots.</p></blockquote><p>It sure was hyperbolic. But you got the point, didn't you? You would object, right???</p><p>But then, it is okay, because fear proc is just a "minor advantage" from your standpoint, so this should be allowed to stand. Right?</p><p>Oh and I should roll on Nagafen to play BG that was intended for people of all servers. That makes real sense. I want to play on my own server with my own friends and with the toon I've worked on for 2-3 years, thank you. But I still would like to play BG in a fair environment.</p>

Taldier
03-08-2010, 03:11 PM
<p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Dont you think comparing an item that occasionally fears you to a "ring of instant death" is slightly hyperbolic?</p><p>Really they should just nerf the proc on the stupid thing.  Nerf the overpowered quested t7 stun cloak while they're at it.</p><p>If you want pvp gear, roll on a pvp server, and actually contribute to the pvp servers.  You already get free t9 pvp gear from the bgs.  Either that or make the bg tokens into "buy whatever the F$*% you want" tokens so I can get a shiny pair of t7 avatar boots.</p></blockquote><p>It sure was hyperbolic. But you got the point, didn't you? You would object, right???</p><p>But then, it is okay, because fear proc is just a "minor advantage" from your standpoint, so this should be allowed to stand. Right?</p><p>Oh and I should roll on Nagafen to play BG that was intended for people of all servers. That makes real sense. I want to play on my own server with my own friends and with the toon I've worked on for 2-3 years, thank you. But I still would like to play BG in a fair environment.</p></blockquote><p>Then they should nerf it to make it easier to deal with.  No matter what though, pve'ers should not get pvp gear without playing on a pvp server.</p>

CS-Crymzon
03-08-2010, 03:28 PM
<p>Don't get BG gear confused with PVP gear. Regardless of if the gear has pvp stats, its intended for use on the BG's. Without access to it, pvp players would have a huge advantage over the rest of the server players and this is a worldwide game which means all players worldwide should have the same access to gear (BG wise). I can however fully respect the time taken to obtain gear on pvp servers which may give pvp players an advantage over pve players. This just means us pve players have to compensate with skill and tactics if an item gives that much of an advantage. </p>

PeterJohn
03-08-2010, 03:37 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No matter what though, pve'ers should not get pvp gear without playing on a pvp server.</p></blockquote><p>I agree. There should be no PvP gear in Battlegrounds allowed at all. That is a great solution. Make only PvE gear and Battleground gear available in Battlegrounds. If someone has no access to an item, make it not available in an environment designed for all servers.</p>

Muraazi
03-08-2010, 03:40 PM
<p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>There now go get it... Problem solved.</p>

CS-Crymzon
03-08-2010, 03:41 PM
<p><cite>Muraazi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>There now go get it... Problem solved.</p></blockquote><p>We've already established this. Old news.....</p>

mrsma
03-08-2010, 03:46 PM
<p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> But I still would like to play BG in a fair environment.</p></blockquote><p>PVP is not fair. Which is why there is PVE and PVP options.</p><p>BG is PVP not PVE. </p><p>Adapt, learn, work as a team, communicate.</p><p>There are lots of ways to get around a situation, the only only problem is that it's not scripted scenario !</p><p>cya in game <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /></p>

Cynicisim
03-08-2010, 03:48 PM
<p>I hate this fear proc. It seems to fear me on every hit. But, it is in the game. Just don't want it at T9.</p>

Grumble69
03-08-2010, 03:48 PM
<p>I don't have an issue with Nagafen players having their own separate gear with these nice procs.  ...as long as they play in PUGs where they can randomly appear on either side.  My issue is when they form their own groups & raids.  The advantage is too strong in those cases.  Ideally, I'd like the MatchMaker to pit Naggy groups against Naggy groups.</p>

mrsma
03-08-2010, 03:49 PM
<p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I agree. <span style="color: #ffff00;">There should be no PvP gear in Battlegrounds allowed at all</span>. That is a great solution. <span style="color: #ffff00;">Make only PvE gear and Battleground gear available in Battlegrounds</span>. If someone has no access to an item, make it not available in an environment designed for all servers.</p></blockquote><p>Ummm..........???????It's PVP.  I think you should stay PVE.</p>

Muraazi
03-08-2010, 03:49 PM
<p><cite>CS-Crymzon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Muraazi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.</p><p>There now go get it... Problem solved.</p></blockquote><p>We've already established this. Old news.....</p></blockquote><p>Correct, but obviously someone cough OP cough doesn't get it.</p>

Wytie
03-08-2010, 03:51 PM
<p>I honestly hate that proc. I sure as heck do not want to see more of it. I have seen enough of it over the past few year on my pvp server.</p>

Notsovilepriest
03-08-2010, 03:52 PM
<p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No matter what though, pve'ers should not get pvp gear without playing on a pvp server.</p></blockquote><p>I agree. There should be no PvP gear in Battlegrounds allowed at all. That is a great solution. Make only PvE gear and Battleground gear available in Battlegrounds. If someone has no access to an item, make it not available in an environment designed for all servers.</p></blockquote><p>You realize BG gear is PvP gear, Copy and pasted with the same names...Right?</p>

PeterJohn
03-08-2010, 03:57 PM
<p><cite>mrsmall wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I agree. <span style="color: #ffff00;">There should be no PvP gear in Battlegrounds allowed at all</span>. That is a great solution. <span style="color: #ffff00;">Make only PvE gear and Battleground gear available in Battlegrounds</span>. If someone has no access to an item, make it not available in an environment designed for all servers.</p></blockquote><p>Ummm..........???????It's PVP. I think you should stay PVE.</p></blockquote><p>Nagefen people have been telling me that Battlegrounds is completely different from PvP. That it is Hello Kitty hugs watered down PvP. So keep the real PvP gear that you don't want us to have out of Battlegrounds. Simple as that. Or do you insist on keeping your advantage over blue server people?</p><p>Don't get me wrong, I am still having a lot of fun in Battlegrounds, so much that I might actually be rolling a Naggy toon shortly <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Oh and I have no idea what fear proc gear you are referring to in PvE... If there is such, and it is as viable to wear this as it is viable to wear the PvP fear proc item, then yes I will have no complaints. If it is a lower fear proc rate and I have to give up a breastplate with +100000 crit chance and +3200398 crit bonus and +23432 toughness, and you don't because yours is an earring, well then...</p><p>Ooops good thing I proofread, I had an "L" in place of the first "R" in crit chance there and almost submitted it.</p>

Darkonx
03-08-2010, 04:15 PM
<p>The fear proc gear from T5 was on cloth armor. You'd have to drop whatever armor you are wearing to equip said cloth armor that has +5 sta +3 int +4 agi on it. The ear is a jewelery piece, and as such, is INFINITELY more viable to wear.</p>

PeterJohn
03-08-2010, 04:22 PM
<p><cite>Darkonx wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The fear proc gear from T5 was on cloth armor. You'd have to drop whatever armor you are wearing to equip said cloth armor that has +5 sta +3 int +4 agi on it. The ear is a jewelery piece, and as such, is INFINITELY more viable to wear.</p></blockquote><p>Well, there you go LOL. Since my templar can wear this cloth armor, we PvE's have nothing to complain about.</p>

Wytie
03-08-2010, 04:24 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No matter what though, pve'ers should not get pvp gear without playing on a pvp server.</p></blockquote><p>I agree. There should be no PvP gear in Battlegrounds allowed at all. That is a great solution. Make only PvE gear and Battleground gear available in Battlegrounds. If someone has no access to an item, make it not available in an environment designed for all servers.</p></blockquote><p>You realize BG gear is PvP gear, Copy and pasted with the same names...Right?</p></blockquote><p>Not only that but BG use OUR pvp rulesets.</p><p>I laugh at the dev time it would take to make our pvp gear unuseable in BG's, exp since in T9 they are exactly the same down to the name.</p>

Notsovilepriest
03-08-2010, 04:27 PM
<p>This thread is just proof that people will look for any excuse they can come up with for losing just as long as it is not themselves. Nobody thinks they are bad at PvP, that could certainly not be the reason they die in BG, must be gear!</p>

PeterJohn
03-08-2010, 04:36 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This thread is just proof that people will look for any excuse they can come up with for losing just as long as it is not themselves. Nobody thinks they are bad at PvP, that could certainly not be the reason they die in BG, must be gear!</p></blockquote><p>This post above is just proof that people will look for any excuse they can come up with for wanting to keep an unfair advantage to themselves. Every PvP player thinks skills determine the winner, so why are they all so resistant to allowing blue server access to the same items.</p>

Harbringer Doom
03-08-2010, 04:51 PM
<p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No matter what though, pve'ers should not get pvp gear without playing on a pvp server.</p></blockquote><p>I agree. There should be no PvP gear in Battlegrounds allowed at all. That is a great solution. Make only PvE gear and Battleground gear available in Battlegrounds. If someone has no access to an item, make it not available in an environment designed for all servers.</p></blockquote><p>While I agree that the PVP healer fear proc ring (Banshee Hoop, btw) is overpowered, unfairly restricted to PvPers, and several things need to be done about it, I disagree with your "great" solution.</p><p>Players on PvP servers have been incorporating PvP gear into their selected armorment for years.  Its somewhat self-serving (or short-sighted) to argue that all the previous PvP gear should be verboten from the Battlegrounds.  Personally, my main toons would be patching together sub-standard PvE sets if that were suddenly the case.</p><p>While I'm sure this would please PVEer to no end, it would be the equivalent of PvPers arguing that Battelgrounds are PvP zones... so they should not allow any previously acquired PvE gear into them.</p>

Costa
03-08-2010, 04:53 PM
<p>All this call for said gear changes will all change once they open up BG's to lower teirs. Then it will be lower lvl pvp players complaining about the lower level pve players with insanely high aa's and added abilities over them, or did pve'ers forget that they get to set aa sliders to 100% to grind aa's where we only get 50%?</p><p>The different server types have different advantages over the other. PvP servers get their PvP gear where PvE servers get free pulls on avatars and open world epic mobs without hassle. We rolled our servers for what ever reason we did so we live with the advantages and disadvantages of doing so. Another down side to PvP servers as i just stated is the inability to lvl lock and grind aa's. Where as pve players can lock at lvl 10 and accumilate all their aa's without ever gaining lvl 11 if they so wished.</p><p>Now back to the op, seeing as they copy and pasted the T9 pvp gear to the BG merchants i'm sure once they get the t8 items copied over you'll see that fear procing item as well as the other annoying items. The down side is you'll need a toon in it's 70's to farm tokens to use to purchase it the same as players from the pvp servers have to do so now if they were 80 and didn't have the token's when the expansion came out. That is unless SoE make the whole BG tokens the same through all teirs and just make it even easier mode to gear alts etc. The only posative thing about having lower lvl BG's is that we may see full sets of low lvl pvp gear that has been non existant on our servers.</p>

Rageincarnate
03-08-2010, 05:02 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This thread is just proof that people will look for any excuse they can come up with for losing just as long as it is not themselves. Nobody thinks they are bad at PvP, that could certainly not be the reason they die in BG, must be gear!</p></blockquote><p>when a warden (doofi)sp? i think his name was is able to hold off an entire x2 by himself for more then 2 minutes thats freaking broken. I'm sorry.. Am i asking for nerf's? NO.. i love killing you overpowered jerks and making you eat it.</p><p>Don't argue that it's not overpowered when you darn well know it is.</p>

Notsovilepriest
03-08-2010, 05:05 PM
<p><cite>bluedego wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This thread is just proof that people will look for any excuse they can come up with for losing just as long as it is not themselves. Nobody thinks they are bad at PvP, that could certainly not be the reason they die in BG, must be gear!</p></blockquote><p>when a warden (doofi)sp? i think his name was is able to hold off an entire x2 by himself for more then 2 minutes thats freaking broken. I'm sorry.. Am i asking for nerf's? NO.. i love killing you overpowered jerks and making you eat it.</p><p>Don't argue that it's not overpowered when you darn well know it is.</p></blockquote><p>we had a warden, Without those items, able to do just that...Your point is moot</p>

Ceolus
03-08-2010, 05:13 PM
<p><cite>bluedego wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This thread is just proof that people will look for any excuse they can come up with for losing just as long as it is not themselves. Nobody thinks they are bad at PvP, that could certainly not be the reason they die in BG, must be gear!</p></blockquote><p>when a warden (doofi)sp? i think his name was is able to hold off an entire x2 by himself for more then 2 minutes thats freaking broken. I'm sorry.. Am i asking for nerf's? NO.. i love killing you overpowered jerks and making you eat it.</p><p>Don't argue that it's not overpowered when you darn well know it is.</p></blockquote><p>Good wardens do that all the time. Learn when to CC and dispell.</p><p>This ring is dumb on most healer classes (aka those with Steadfast and %*#$)...but it's balanced on some of the other classes (defiler).</p>

PeterJohn
03-08-2010, 05:21 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>While I agree that the PVP healer fear proc ring (Banshee Hoop, btw) is overpowered, unfairly restricted to PvPers, and several things need to be done about it, I disagree with your "great" solution.</p></blockquote><p>Horknut, I don't <em>really </em>think PvP gear should be stripped from Battlegrounds, btw. It is refreshing to actually hear someone from Nagafen saying what you said above. Seems the majority attitude is the ring is worthless, blue server players wouldn't want it anyways, but should not be allowed to have it because only PvP players should own this worthless piece of junk.</p><p>Banshee Hoop has a 10% Fear proc any time any damage is done to the wearer. Wow.</p><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2item=8bc11b7a887301b3adaec03e70200cf9" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...daec03e70200cf9</a></p><p>Anyone know the name of the level 50 fear proc cloth armor that someone mentioned in earlier post?</p>

Notsovilepriest
03-08-2010, 05:25 PM
<p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>While I agree that the PVP healer fear proc ring (Banshee Hoop, btw) is overpowered, unfairly restricted to PvPers, and several things need to be done about it, I disagree with your "great" solution.</p></blockquote><p>Horknut, I don't <em>really </em>think PvP gear should be stripped from Battlegrounds, btw. It is refreshing to actually hear someone from Nagafen saying what you said above. Seems the majority attitude is the ring is worthless, blue server players wouldn't want it anyways, but should not be allowed to have it because only PvP players should own this worthless piece of junk.</p><p>Banshee Hoop has a 10% Fear proc any time any damage is done to the wearer. Wow.</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2item=8bc11b7a887301b3adaec03e70200cf9" target="_blank">http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...daec03e70200cf9</a></p><p>Anyone know the name of the level 50 fear proc cloth armor that someone mentioned in earlier post?</p></blockquote><p>I not once said it wasn't powerful, I said it's not game breaking, and PvE'ers shouldn't have the best of both worlds (Free Reign to do everything in open world, and full PvP gear)</p>

Rageincarnate
03-08-2010, 05:33 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>bluedego wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This thread is just proof that people will look for any excuse they can come up with for losing just as long as it is not themselves. Nobody thinks they are bad at PvP, that could certainly not be the reason they die in BG, must be gear!</p></blockquote><p>when a warden (doofi)sp? i think his name was is able to hold off an entire x2 by himself for more then 2 minutes thats freaking broken. I'm sorry.. Am i asking for nerf's? NO.. i love killing you overpowered jerks and making you eat it.</p><p>Don't argue that it's not overpowered when you darn well know it is.</p></blockquote><p>we had a warden, Without those items, able to do just that...Your point is moot</p></blockquote><p>My point is NOT moot.. i said don't nerf it i enjoy a challenge but there are aspects off pvp that are overpowered that you are flat out denying.  I don't care about your opinions.   And i don't care to defend my statement. </p><p>I'll see if i can load fraps and take some videos of random bs.</p>

Notsovilepriest
03-08-2010, 05:36 PM
<p><cite>bluedego wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>bluedego wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This thread is just proof that people will look for any excuse they can come up with for losing just as long as it is not themselves. Nobody thinks they are bad at PvP, that could certainly not be the reason they die in BG, must be gear!</p></blockquote><p>when a warden (doofi)sp? i think his name was is able to hold off an entire x2 by himself for more then 2 minutes thats freaking broken. I'm sorry.. Am i asking for nerf's? NO.. i love killing you overpowered jerks and making you eat it.</p><p>Don't argue that it's not overpowered when you darn well know it is.</p></blockquote><p>we had a warden, Without those items, able to do just that...Your point is moot</p></blockquote><p>My point is NOT moot.. i said don't nerf it i enjoy a challenge but there are aspects off pvp that are overpowered that you are flat out denying.  I don't care about your opinions.   And i don't care to defend my statement. </p><p>I'll see if i can load fraps and take some videos of random bs.</p></blockquote><p>What have I denied that is OP? I swear reading comprehension has gone out the window.</p>

Guld_Ulrish
03-08-2010, 05:41 PM
<p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Darkonx wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The fear proc gear from T5 was on cloth armor. You'd have to drop whatever armor you are wearing to equip said cloth armor that has +5 sta +3 int +4 agi on it. The ear is a jewelery piece, and as such, is INFINITELY more viable to wear.</p></blockquote><p>Well, there you go LOL. Since my templar can wear this cloth armor, we PvE's have nothing to complain about.</p></blockquote><p>Wrong there are on Plate too, and I belive on leather and on chain too.</p>

Shorcon
03-08-2010, 05:44 PM
<p>And here we go again. PVP gear should not work in bg's. RoK pvp fear proc is overpowered against non pvp blue servers. Get active on these boards blue server members. It's the only way to get soe to change it.</p><p>SOE be sure to read this post as its the first post I personaly have seen on here were pvpers admit to overpowered gear. :/</p><p> As for your question about the fear proc gear peter john, you as a blue server member cannot get it. its a 20% chance to fear ring. 10% lol. Im not mad they have it on there healers. I am mad that I can't obtain it ever, at all, no chance, not gonna happen.</p>

Notsovilepriest
03-08-2010, 05:47 PM
<p><cite>Guld_Ulrish wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Darkonx wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The fear proc gear from T5 was on cloth armor. You'd have to drop whatever armor you are wearing to equip said cloth armor that has +5 sta +3 int +4 agi on it. The ear is a jewelery piece, and as such, is INFINITELY more viable to wear.</p></blockquote><p>Well, there you go LOL. Since my templar can wear this cloth armor, we PvE's have nothing to complain about.</p></blockquote><p>Wrong there are on Plate too, and I belive on leather and on chain too.</p></blockquote><p>And a shield, and a few other items</p>

Notsovilepriest
03-08-2010, 05:49 PM
<p><cite>Shorcon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>And here we go again. PVP gear should not work in bg's. RoK pvp fear proc is overpowered against non pvp blue servers. Get active on these boards blue server members. It's the only way to get soe to change it.</p><p>SOE be sure to read this post as its the first post I personaly have seen on here were pvpers admit to overpowered gear. :/</p></blockquote><p>I'll be the first to admit something is overpowered even for my own classes. I sent Rogthar an email with everything that is OP with PvP, There were 2 items from PvP vendors, Banshee hoop, and Purifier. Both of which are OP, but they should be toned down, but not given to blubies because again, They should not get the best of both worlds</p>

Shorcon
03-08-2010, 05:55 PM
<p>You are saying this. " We will allow you to play bg's but only at a disadvantage."</p>

PeterJohn
03-08-2010, 05:58 PM
<p><cite>Guld_Ulrish wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Wrong there are on Plate too, and I belive on leather and on chain too.</p></blockquote><p>There are pants in Plate, Leather, and Chain options. The proc rate is lower, and the gear is crap compared to even level 82 MC pants other than the proc.</p><p>The Banshee Hoop is either finger or earring slots. Much less valuable slots compared to legs slot. I don't see any Nagafen players using the pants, but I see lots of Nagafen healers using the Banshee Hoop... Seems that everyone on Nagafen agrees with me about the relative value of those items. (And yes, I know there might be one or two exceptions, but I doubt it.)</p>

HeionEQ
03-08-2010, 05:59 PM
<p>I don't understand PvP players so intent on keeping the advantage going up against PvE players. If making content trivial is fun, do you all go to Oakmyst Forest after and blow up bears fo fun too?</p>

Shorcon
03-08-2010, 06:01 PM
<p>I love the paraphrase. Yeah the 20% chance to proc fear sucks.   Its crap.  Total junk. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2e207fad049d4d292f60607f80f05768.gif" border="0" /></p>

Shorcon
03-08-2010, 06:03 PM
<p>There are pvpers out that that would have the general public believe no changes are needed to bg's. Watch out. Here they come again.......</p>

Wytie
03-08-2010, 06:14 PM
<p>20% wow that item just got better overnight.........   lol</p>

Notsovilepriest
03-08-2010, 06:17 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>20% wow that item just got better overnight.........   lol</p></blockquote><p>Yep, I didn't get that memo, It was 20% When it was released, It's already be nerfed once but is still powerful. There is so much complaining about it like it's a deal breaker, like healers suddenly become invinsible with it. They are still very much killable. Instead of coming up with stratagies to work around it, Lets make everyone wear the exact same gear so everything is equal, so we can see what excuses are mustered up after everyone is still on the exact same level gear wise.</p>

Wytie
03-08-2010, 06:19 PM
<p><cite>Shorcon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You are saying this. " We will allow you to play bg's but only at a disadvantage."</p></blockquote><p>Everyone is always at a disadvantage to someone.</p><p>I wish I had tons of Avatar jewelry that I can no longer get, guess that should be removed from BG's too since no one can obtain it now.</p>

Harbringer Doom
03-08-2010, 06:27 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite></cite>I'll be the first to admit something is overpowered even for my own classes. I sent Rogthar an email with everything that is OP with PvP, There were 2 items from PvP vendors, Banshee hoop, and Purifier. Both of which are OP, but they should be toned down, but not given to blubies because again, They should not get the best of both worlds</p></blockquote><p>I disagree with this argument.</p><p>The playing field in Battlegrounds should be as level as possible.</p><p>The problem with leveling that field, as I see it, and as I stated above, is that PVPers have incorporated much of their PvP gear into their armorment, so you can't just prohibit all PvP gear in the Battlegrounds without severely gimping most PvPers' standing armor sets.  Plus... these are PVP zones!</p><p>But seriously, the Banshee Hoop is retardedly OP.</p><p>Personally, I don't want to be fighting against people who have no access whatsoever to the same gear I do.</p><p>At the same time, personally, I have ZERO chance at acquiring high end raid gear.  I don't have the time or the motivation.  Yet, some raid guild from a PVE server came into a Gear instance with their stacked group and completely annihilated my patchwork group repeatedly with their red adorned raid gear.  Outside the realm of mentioning it for purposes of this discussion, I'm not goign to cry about it.</p><p>You win some you lose some.   They had gear I could never hope to have.  /shrug and then move on.</p>

PeterJohn
03-08-2010, 06:28 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>There is so much complaining about it like it's a deal breaker, like healers suddenly become invinsible with it. They are still very much killable. <strong>Instead of coming up with stratagies to work around it, Lets make everyone wear the exact same gear so everything is equal</strong>, so we can see what excuses are mustered up after everyone is still on the exact same level gear wise.</p></blockquote><p>Or we can do what you suggest, which is let the blue server players work out strategies to work around it while the PvP server players laugh at not having to deal with it at all, when there is matchup with Nagefen server versus blue servers. Yeah that sounds like a much better plan. Not.</p><p>If you insist that it is not the OP gear that makes you better, then why do you protest allowing us to have it?</p>

bryan4171
03-08-2010, 06:29 PM
<p>So what im hearing is NEKED BG!!!  woohooo lets do this.  No one will complain about gear. Well maybee the guys will you know other gear envy.</p>

Kkolbe
03-08-2010, 06:32 PM
<p>I wrote this in another thread, why not stick it here too.<span > </span></p><p>You know, after reading qq threads for the last few weeks from pve players. How about we just separate just the dang pve and pvp servers for bg's. I used to not want to separate us from pve people, but now it seems like the best idea. I'm on Naggy and if this will shut you whiney pve players up, I am all for it. I mean honestly, who cares if we play with pve people, most of them are really just free kills anyways.</p><p>Also, if we were just bging with Naggy people, there might not be instant Queues like there are now, so people would go back to open world pvp. Is it worth playing with pve just to fight the few good people they have on their servers compared to the 100000 bad players that are n00bs and constantly whining from pve..</p>

Am
03-08-2010, 06:40 PM
What is the T5 PvP fear proc item called?

Crismorn
03-08-2010, 06:48 PM
<p>Its 10% when target takes damage Im sure even pvp players understand how that is an amazing proc.</p><p>Either disable this item in BG's, allow pve priests to get this item through BG tokens or continue to let nagafen priests have an advantage that every priest on a pve server would use..</p>

Wytie
03-08-2010, 06:49 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>What is the T5 PvP fear proc item called?</blockquote><p>lol</p><p>On a side note, Im sad not 1 person has mentioned the 100% scout parry belt. lulz</p>

Am
03-08-2010, 06:49 PM
Oh, so it is some big secret? lol

Crismorn
03-08-2010, 06:50 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>What is the T5 PvP fear proc item called?</blockquote><p>Its called a waste of a slot because it does not proc in the same way that the banshee hoop does, but you already know this.</p>

Taldier
03-08-2010, 06:50 PM
<p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you insist that it is not the OP gear that makes you better, then why do you protest allowing us to have it?</p></blockquote><p>Because people dislike having their achievements trivialized by others who just want thing handed to them because they are afraid to roll on a real pvp server.</p><p>The same way that raiders get rightfully angry every time casual players get handed raid quality gear for doing an instance.</p><p>If they want to nerf the stupid fear hoop again I dont think your are hearing many complaints from pvpers.  The thing is annoying and outdated.  We just dont want our gear handed out to blubies at the buffet.</p>

Wytie
03-08-2010, 06:52 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you insist that it is not the OP gear that makes you better, then why do you protest allowing us to have it?</p></blockquote><p>Because people dislike having their achievements trivialized by others who just want thing handed to them because they are afraid to roll on a real pvp server.</p><p>The same way that raiders get rightfully angry every time casual players get handed raid quality gear for doing an instance.</p><p>If they want to nerf the stupid fear hoop again I dont think your are hearing many complaints from pvpers.  The thing is annoying and outdated.  We just dont want our gear handed out to blubies at the buffet.</p></blockquote><p>ALL OF THIS</p>

Am
03-08-2010, 06:53 PM
Welp, thanks for quoting me and not answering my question. Paill, more like Faill, amirite?

PeterJohn
03-08-2010, 06:55 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>What is the T5 PvP fear proc item called?</blockquote><p>The pants that people were referring to, I think is what you mean?</p><p>I looked up the pants (Plate, Chain, Leather) on ZAM, and it turns out those are not items that proc when you get hit, like the Banshee Hoop. The pants items only proc when you hit the enemy, much less useful for a healer. And they actually proc Fearless, making you immune to fear, not causing you to fear the enemy.</p><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2item=f51ffd677803193b6b35aca4ff60ed00" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...b35aca4ff60ed00</a></p><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2item=c0dc6c9585f99f484f911ee45895a0a1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...f911ee45895a0a1</a></p><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2item=a1d7aa36a92549e78e15de19fc922158" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...e15de19fc922158</a></p><p>Correct me if I'm wrong, but are these the items you were asking about?</p>

Am
03-08-2010, 06:58 PM
Interesting, thanks for the links. I could be wrong, but I thought it was mentioned that it was T5 PvP gear.

PeterJohn
03-08-2010, 07:01 PM
<p>Yeah Ambu, I am just not sure. I did a database search for "fear" effect and came up with only this stuff. I might be way off and probably am.</p>

Notsovilepriest
03-08-2010, 07:04 PM
<p>Try "Fright"</p>

Wytie
03-08-2010, 07:09 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Welp, thanks for quoting me and not answering my question. Paill, more like Faill, amirite?</blockquote><p>lol yes you are right. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>but I dont know what item you are talkn about, which is why I didnt answer your question.</p><p>I laughed because it seemed like you were talkn about the ROK pvp item which is what this thread is about and is hardly T5 item.</p><p>I dont normally play a healer but I do have to fight them quite often, so I may not be keen on every single pvp healer item.</p>

PeterJohn
03-08-2010, 07:18 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Try "Fright"</p></blockquote><p>Thanks for the tip...</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/itemlist.html?name=&level=&level_2=&effect=fright&checksum=&type=&class=&order_by=&stat1=0&statval1=&flag1=&flagval1=" target="_blank">http://eq2.zam.com/db/itemlist.html...=&flagval1=</a></p><p>Have to add something here: Resistability increases after level 65. Useless gear. Is this on all items, cuz it sure seems that way.</p>

Megavolt
03-08-2010, 09:08 PM
<p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Try "Fright"</p></blockquote><p>Thanks for the tip...</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/itemlist.html?name=&level=&level_2=&effect=fright&checksum=&type=&class=&order_by=&stat1=0&statval1=&flag1=&flagval1=" target="_blank">http://eq2.zam.com/db/itemlist.html...=&flagval1=</a></p><p>Have to add something here: Resistability increases after level 65. Useless gear. Is this on all items, cuz it sure seems that way.</p></blockquote><p>I think this would be the perfect nerf for the ring. Make resistance increase over level 80 to the point that it's ineffective at level 90. With the PvPers inability to truly level lock they'll eventually be forced into 90's BG anyways and their 2 expansion old level 80 gear will be what it should be now, useless.</p>

Notsovilepriest
03-08-2010, 09:18 PM
<p><cite>Brickfist wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Try "Fright"</p></blockquote><p>Thanks for the tip...</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/itemlist.html?name=&level=&level_2=&effect=fright&checksum=&type=&class=&order_by=&stat1=0&statval1=&flag1=&flagval1=" target="_blank">http://eq2.zam.com/db/itemlist.html...=&flagval1=</a></p><p>Have to add something here: Resistability increases after level 65. Useless gear. Is this on all items, cuz it sure seems that way.</p></blockquote><p>I think this would be the perfect nerf for the ring. Make resistance increase over level 80 to the point that it's ineffective at level 90. With the PvPers inability to truly level lock they'll eventually be forced into 90's BG anyways and their 2 expansion old level 80 gear will be what it should be now, useless.</p></blockquote><p>Deal, If you nerf avatar boots, And all of the other OP Avatar loot to make it fair. Make it so Stoneskin boots can't proc in PvP at all sounds fair to me.</p>

Munty
03-08-2010, 09:46 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you insist that it is not the OP gear that makes you better, then why do you protest allowing us to have it?</p></blockquote><p>Because people dislike having their achievements trivialized by others who just want thing handed to them because they are afraid to roll on a real pvp server.</p></blockquote><p>Oh please, enough with the elitist "PvErs are just complaining because they're not as good as us" crap.  The battlegrounds are a CROSS-SERVER feature and giving a subset of servers a clear advantage through exclusive gear is plain WRONG.  Is it really tough for you to grasp this concept, or is your [Removed for Content] draining all the blood from your brain?  Nobody would be complaining about anything if the playing fields were fair, but this is clearly not the case.</p><p>The biggest joke of all is that you sit there on your high horse with your superiority complex, yet as the very person you replied to stated, if you're all so [Removed for Content] good, why are you so opposed to us getting access to the same gear?</p>

Notsovilepriest
03-08-2010, 09:51 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you insist that it is not the OP gear that makes you better, then why do you protest allowing us to have it?</p></blockquote><p>Because people dislike having their achievements trivialized by others who just want thing handed to them because they are afraid to roll on a real pvp server.</p></blockquote><p>Oh please, enough with the elitist "PvErs are just complaining because they're not as good as us" crap.  The battlegrounds are a CROSS-SERVER feature and giving a subset of servers a clear advantage through exclusive gear is plain WRONG.  Is it really tough for you to grasp this concept, or is your [Removed for Content] draining all the blood from your brain?  Nobody would be complaining about anything if the playing fields were fair, but this is clearly not the case.</p><p>The biggest joke of all is that you sit there on your high horse with your superiority complex, yet as the very person you replied to stated, if you're all so [Removed for Content] good, why are you so opposed to us getting access to the same gear?</p></blockquote><p>Lets all wear nothing but MC Toughness gear and then MC jewelery when we BG. Then there can be no more excuses like you're spewing. Players will never ever admit it may be them, It stinks that it may be that way, but still it very well could be that way, but unless there is a totally elimination of gear other than 1 set, then it will always favor those capable of getting better gear, be it raid jewelery or 1 or 2 PvP pieces that are actually still decent.</p>

Munty
03-08-2010, 09:59 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Lets all wear nothing but MC Toughness gear and then MC jewelery when we BG. Then there can be no more excuses like you're spewing. Players will never ever admit it may be them, It stinks that it may be that way, but still it very well could be that way, but unless there is a totally elimination of gear other than 1 set, then it will always favor those capable of getting better gear, be it raid jewelery or 1 or 2 PvP pieces that are actually still decent.</p></blockquote><p>I have no problem going against someone with better gear, if I have the same chances to obtain that gear. Re-rolling on another server is not a good line of reasoning for that.  A lot of us have time and effort invested in our toons, and we're not allowed to transfer to PvP servers, so why should we be forced to roll a new toon on a PvP server to play a SERVER-INDEPENDENT part of the game?  </p><p>This isn't about player abilities, it's about overall fairness.  I don't mind getting owned by someone better than me, or even in better gear - I don't get [Removed for Content] about that (I may cuss and shout, but that's part of the fun).  I do however, take objection to being put at a significant disadvantage simply because of the server I originally chose to roll on.  It amazes me that this is still such a hard concept to grasp.</p>

Notsovilepriest
03-08-2010, 10:06 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This isn't about player abilities, it's about overall fairness.  I don't mind getting owned by someone better than me, or even in better gear - I don't get [Removed for Content] about that (I may cuss and shout, but that's part of the fun).  I do however, take objection to being put at a significant disadvantage simply because of the server I originally chose to roll on.  It amazes me that this is still such a hard concept to grasp.</p></blockquote><p>You realize almost all of us stemmed from PvE and bit the bullet and re-rolled. Everyone does have a chance to obtain all the gear on PvP servers if they do. If you don't like that fact, then don't complain about it. Basically what you are doing is the same as those people that will complain about a political figure, yet not vote.</p>

skylancer
03-08-2010, 10:22 PM
<p>If you wanted to pvp, roll a toon on a pvp server.</p><p>If you dont like pvp , dont go into BG.</p>

Taldier
03-08-2010, 11:00 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you insist that it is not the OP gear that makes you better, then why do you protest allowing us to have it?</p></blockquote><p>Because people dislike having their achievements trivialized by others who just want thing handed to them because they are afraid to roll on a real pvp server.</p></blockquote><p>Oh please, enough with the elitist "PvErs are just complaining because they're not as good as us" crap.  The battlegrounds are a CROSS-SERVER feature and giving a subset of servers a clear advantage through exclusive gear is plain WRONG.  Is it really tough for you to grasp this concept, or is your [Removed for Content] draining all the blood from your brain?  Nobody would be complaining about anything if the playing fields were fair, but this is clearly not the case.</p><p>The biggest joke of all is that you sit there on your high horse with your superiority complex, yet as the very person you replied to stated, if you're all so [Removed for Content] good, why are you so opposed to us getting access to the same gear?</p></blockquote><p>Im not in any way opposed to you getting the same gear.  Im opposed to you having gear handed to you without having to pvp on a pvp server.  See the difference there?</p><p>This is an mmorpg.  It isn't counterstrike, it isnt halo, it isnt call of duty.  You will not find perfectly "fair" pvp in an mmorpg.  Mmo's gameplay is based on the concept of putting in time and effort for rewards.  No two players will ever be on an absolutely perfect balance because no two players will have the exact same gear with the exact same aa's.</p><p>When you take a reward which someone has gained and give it to someone else without requiring the same effort you trivialize that persons gameplay.  You are essentially saying "your time is meaningless and mine is more important".  Try going to the general gameplay forum and asking for raid gear to be handed out in exchange for the old void shards sitting in your bank to see what response you get.</p><p>And yes I think players who have spent years fighting in open pvp are better pvpers then people who havent.  I dont see why that wouldnt be common sense.  The skillsets involved in pve and pvp are completely different.  It seems to me that the blubies raging on the forums are the ones with the bloated e-peens who cant handle ever losing to anyone.  Hence why they cant handle playing on a pvp server, where no matter how good you think you are there will be someone out there who can kill you.</p>

Am
03-08-2010, 11:03 PM
You make it sound like zerging for PvP token gear is hard work.

Taldier
03-08-2010, 11:11 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>You make it sound like zerging for PvP token gear is hard work.</blockquote><p>You make it sound like anyone cares what some noobs did for gear.  Not like it actually makes them any better.  Two wrongs dont make a right.</p>

Am
03-08-2010, 11:13 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>You make it sound like zerging for PvP token gear is hard work.</blockquote><p>You make it sound like anyone cares what some noobs did for gear.  Not like it actually makes them any better.  Two wrongs dont make a right.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not sure what point you are trying to convey with this circular logic, but unfortunately I do not share your elitist point of view toward exclusivity.</p>

snarl
03-08-2010, 11:16 PM
I'm from Nagafen, and i would love to see this item nerfed, or taken directly out of the game. It's annoying as hell.

Taldier
03-08-2010, 11:21 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">You make it sound like zerging for PvP token gear is hard work.</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p></blockquote><p>You make it sound like anyone cares what some noobs did for gear.  Not like it actually makes them any better.  Two wrongs dont make a right.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not sure what point you are trying to convey with this circular logic, but unfortunately I do not share your elitist point of view toward exclusivity.</p></blockquote><p>Im not sure what point you are trying to convey with this generalization, but unfortunately I do not share your anti-pvp point of view toward mmo gameplay.</p>

Am
03-08-2010, 11:21 PM
Well good, we can agree to disagree then.