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Aeadiin
03-04-2010, 10:02 PM
<p>Just got done with the second BG where a couple naggy players were warping through walls, is this going to be the new way to play for them?</p><p>I'm sure there are plenty of honest, good pvpers on Naggy still, but [Removed for Content] it's getting sad to see people who supposedly want to pvp resort to cheating to win.</p>

asaron
03-04-2010, 10:03 PM
<p>that is nothing new on nagafen many  cheaters there  and the ones in the bg's are not lookin for pvp they want the fast easy mode gear  plain and simple</p>

Aeadiin
03-04-2010, 10:07 PM
<p>Meh, I just don't get it, never understood the point of playing on a PvP server if you have to cheat to win.  How can you get any feeling of accomplishment if you cheat?  And if you aren't there to feel like you kicked someones butt, why are you there in the first place.</p>

screenid
03-04-2010, 11:40 PM
<p>I noticed this as well...... they just warping all over...</p><p>LAME... </p><p>Losers</p><p>LAME</p>

Neskonlith
03-04-2010, 11:42 PM
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Please make sure you report them so SOE can investigate, if they are caught cheating they deserve a perma-ban as a reward.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Cheaters suck no matter what server they come from!</span></p>

Vlahkmaak
03-04-2010, 11:43 PM
<p>There are actualy very few cheaters on Nagafen.  There are however many lame bluebie healers that don't know jach and shiat about how to stay with the tank and heal them.</p><p>Lame</p><p>Lame</p><p>Lame</p><p>See what i did there? now lets try to be constructive.</p><p> If you see someone cheating /report them.  However - what many of you blue players might not yet comprehend is the extent lag plays into the PVP enviornment.  Most "warping" is lag related.  You know someone is cheating when blinking is involoved and they climb geometry at the same time.  It is VERY possible to lag through walls in eq2.  It is very possible to seem to move around quicky due to lag.  That is not cheating - that is lag.</p>

Dorsan
03-04-2010, 11:43 PM
<p><cite>Aeadiin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just got done with the second BG where a couple naggy players were warping through walls, is this going to be the new way to play for them?</p></blockquote><p>Warping is not the new thing for Naggy players. It is a very very very old thing. Hopefully in BGs some will get caught as it is a more controllable environment compared to open world.</p>

Horizons
03-05-2010, 12:50 AM
<p>I've seen a bluebie warp today</p>

eqaddictedfool
03-05-2010, 02:34 AM
So can someone explain to me how i can acuratly pinpoint someone cheating? I understand there is lag and there are cheaters. Was chasing someone today in Ganak who was holding the flag and it seemed like i waas running next to him so i would try to snare but it would sya he was out of range even though the icon was lit and he looked to be in range. then out of nowehere he just zips through a wall and disappears.

swedago
03-05-2010, 02:52 AM
<p><cite>Aeadiin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just got done with the second BG where a couple naggy players were warping through walls, is this going to be the new way to play for them?</p><p>I'm sure there are plenty of honest, good pvpers on Naggy still, but [Removed for Content] it's getting sad to see people who supposedly want to pvp resort to cheating to win.</p></blockquote><p>This has been going on since 2006 on Nagafen when Dual Core systems were able to exploit a speed hack.  SoE "fixed it."</p>

Vlahkmaak
03-05-2010, 04:10 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>So can someone explain to me how i can acuratly pinpoint someone cheating? I understand there is lag and there are cheaters. Was chasing someone today in Ganak who was holding the flag and it seemed like i waas running next to him so i would try to snare but it would sya he was out of range even though the icon was lit and he looked to be in range. then out of nowehere he just zips through a wall and disappears.</blockquote><p>That sounds like common lag issues we face everyday on pvp servers.  Get a bit ahead of them and apply a knock back.  Also - if oyu were trying to root or snare a warden its not gonna happen if they are spec'd against it.  Warping is very clear.  you will see someone blipping all over the screen to include vertical jumps high up in the air - all the while they are attacking oyu and out of reach.  Cheating is very blatant and obviously wrong.  Most common "cheats" are nothing more than system lag and not real cheats at all.</p><p>Also - "falling" through a wall can happen in a heavy lag spike.  Happened to me - fighting on top of the pyramid in Terens Grasp and after a heavy lag spike I wound up inisde the wall and fell inside the pyramid.  The more you play in the BG experience you will come to learn a whole new side to the game and how to use class ca/spells in ways many people never imagined.  Carry Focused cures, wards, freedom of mind, and action just as if oyu were raiding to lesson/counter effects of hostile action - and have fun. </p><p>If you see someone doing something odd just ask if others are also witnessing the same behaivor. </p>

bks6721
03-05-2010, 05:05 AM
<p>is it lag when they run flag to flag in less than 5 seconds?   Played against a Bruiser from Vox today who captured our flag within 5 seconds of the start.  Before I could even run out the front door he'd already run it back to his side.</p>

Vlahkmaak
03-05-2010, 06:39 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>is it lag when they run flag to flag in less than 5 seconds?   Played against a Bruiser from Vox today who captured our flag within 5 seconds of the start.  Before I could even run out the front door he'd already run it back to his side.</p></blockquote><p>Most likely a combination of lag and run speed.  Most pvp players can run at or near 100%.  Many times the BG has started and people are still loading in.  If he was zoned in first and got to the flag first then what you saw waas a combo of lag and run speed.  I have seen several BG matches start b4 everyone is even in the game.  He was prob in the game and moving b4 you.</p><p>Using your same arguement my guild fielded a 5 man team in Klak and on one occassion the bluebie team beat us to the gear by quite alot - was it becuase they were cheating when we were primed and ready to go?  No, we surmised it was pact of cheetah on their side for the initial win to the gear.  we still clobbered them good but we never thought they were cheating because they got to the gear so fast.</p><p>Its knowing and understanding game mechanics.   This is not to say there are not cheats out there - they will be found, they will be caught, and they will be back in a week or so unfortunately.</p>

hellfire
03-05-2010, 07:12 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Most likely a combination of lag and run speed.  Most pvp players can run at or near 100%.  Many times the BG has started and people are still loading in.  If he was zoned in first and got to the flag first then what you saw waas a combo of lag and run speed.  I have seen several BG matches start b4 everyone is even in the game.  He was prob in the game and moving b4 you.</p></blockquote><p>There is nothing legal in game that lets you get to the opposing flag and back to your base with capture in 5 second.</p><p>Game starts barrier comes down and 5 second later its captured.there is no moving befor the game starts and barriers come down.There is no lag to speed up the flag captureing.And i will say again...........</p><p>There is nothing legal in game that lets you get to the opposing flag and back to your base with capture in 5 second.</p>

Scatimus
03-05-2010, 10:36 AM
<p>Ive seen just as many blue players do it as i have seen naggy players do it.  Every server has cheaters.</p>

Ristan
03-05-2010, 10:49 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Most likely a combination of lag and run speed.  Most pvp players can run at or near 100%.  Many times the BG has started and people are still loading in.  If he was zoned in first and got to the flag first then what you saw waas a combo of lag and run speed.  I have seen several BG matches start b4 everyone is even in the game.  He was prob in the game and moving b4 you.</p></blockquote><p>There is nothing legal in game that lets you get to the opposing flag and back to your base with capture in 5 second.</p><p>Game starts barrier comes down and 5 second later its captured.there is no moving befor the game starts and barriers come down.There is no lag to speed up the flag captureing.And i will say again...........</p><p>There is nothing legal in game that lets you get to the opposing flag and back to your base with capture in 5 second.</p></blockquote><p>QFE</p><p>I run at 100% in BGs and in the live worlds, I'm a bluebie, but lot of times I'm asked to run the flag with defense around me due to my run speed.  There is no way even with lag or without it, that I can make it to a flag, and then back again in 5 seconds even running max speed with no one attacking me.  Heck I can't even make it "to" the flag in 5 seconds, let alone back again.</p><p>This sounds like a cheater.</p><p><img src="http://kyrainetheranger.tripod.com/starsiggirl.gif" width="432" height="130" /></p>

screenid
03-05-2010, 01:29 PM
<p>Blue or Red = all cheater are LAME</p><p>Example of what I would call warping...</p><p>Gears BG</p><p>We are on one platform...this Monk/Brusier (not sure which) Is standing on other platform... 1sec..<strong>pop</strong> he is right next to me ...hits me a few times...1 sec <strong>pop</strong> back on other platform..1sec ...<strong>POP </strong>he is back hitting me... 1 sec <strong>POP</strong> back to other platform...<strong>POP</strong>.. 1sec..hitting me /kills me...gets Relic..<strong>pop</strong> back on other platform... </p><p>When you target = out of range </p><p>Now I have never played a Mork/Brusier... so if this is some special ability then I guess it was not warping</p>

Ahlana
03-05-2010, 01:36 PM
<p><cite>screenid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Blue or Red = all cheater are LAME</p><p>Example of what I would call warping...</p><p>Gears BG</p><p>We are on one platform...this Monk/Brusier (not sure which) Is standing on other platform... 1sec..<strong>pop</strong> he is right next to me ...hits me a few times...1 sec <strong>pop</strong> back on other platform..1sec ...<strong>POP </strong>he is back hitting me... 1 sec <strong>POP</strong> back to other platform...<strong>POP</strong>.. 1sec..hitting me /kills me...gets Relic..<strong>pop</strong> back on other platform... </p><p>When you target = out of range </p><p>Now I have never played a Mork/Brusier... so if this is some special ability then I guess it was not warping</p></blockquote><p>Bruiser have an ability to jump to mob... hit them a few time and then it automatically sends them back to where they are. However it is on a cool down and you can not just keep hitting it over and over again (as far as I am aware).</p><p>As for warping and such I have been fortunate enough not to see it from Blues or Reds as of yet.</p>

Portbott
03-05-2010, 02:44 PM
<p>It's not hard to distinguish between a speedhacker and someone who's lagging. It's already been said how to, so I won't type it again, however, I know that in certain BG's, I sometimes spike down to 2-4 FPS. I'm sure I look a little wierd to some people when that happens.</p>

Rothgar
03-05-2010, 02:49 PM
<p>If you have some specifics about how people are exploiting, please PM them to me so we can take a look at it.</p>

Ballads
03-05-2010, 05:23 PM
<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you have some specifics about how people are exploiting, please PM them to me so we can take a look at it.</p></blockquote><p>PMed instead of posted.</p>

screenid
03-05-2010, 06:30 PM
<p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" />  So I popped over to the sites before you removed the links...</p><p>Really sad to see that many cheats... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" /> </p><p>I hope the Devs have some luck "crushing the Hacks"  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" /></p><p>...looks like the program that lets you change your speed and location .. allows you to do some serious <strong>WARPING</strong></p>

Grumble69
03-05-2010, 10:01 PM
<p>I had not seen it until today.  And then I came across it back-to-back matches.  I'm pretty sure it's not lag because they're doing it *only* to get into room to get the flag and burst across the middle.  It only seems to effect the person going after the flag.</p><p>I could not get a name for the 1st guy who did it.  But the 2nd guy was on my team and I reported him (some asian name on a blue server).</p>

Kyaaadaa
03-07-2010, 06:52 AM
<p>Cheating like that usually results from a lack of constuction during early childhood, culminating in a need to feel powerful in obvious ways, such as never dying in PvP, being able to ghost through walls, and non-stop ability spamming. The problem is that many people see the only way to combat this is to cheat yourself or seek perma-ban. Truthfully, I'd love to have GM powers one day, to scan and banhammer everyone who cheats or exploits.</p>

Naggasaki
03-07-2010, 07:38 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Cheating like that usually results from a lack of constuction during early childhood, culminating in a need to feel powerful in obvious ways, such as never dying in PvP, being able to ghost through walls, and non-stop ability spamming. The problem is that many people see the only way to combat this is to cheat yourself or seek perma-ban. Truthfully, I'd love to have GM powers one day, to scan and banhammer everyone who cheats or exploits.</p></blockquote><p>^^^ This.</p><p>But seriously, for the love of w/e avatars you hold dear, report any and all hackers. They are making the game less enjoyable for the rest of us. I broadcast a lot of angst here, but cheating is one of my biggest pet peeves. confirm others see the same thing and then report....and have everyone else report it too...GM's seem to take it more serious if you spam them with reports about someone.</p>

Kyaaadaa
03-07-2010, 07:43 AM
<p>On reply about "How do I tell if someone is cheating?" we have a creed in FFXI... if you think they are, they are, report em, and let the GMs sort them out. This isn't an open ticket to his every lagged out poor sap that you happen across, but the ones who seem to have the "lag" at the right time every time, or seem to be blasting the same 10 minute cooldown CA every 30s. "Hit em now... Hit em hard... and they will run!"</p>

Hamervelder
07-09-2010, 04:06 AM
<p>I had my first experience in Battlefield of Ganak tonight.  Several players from Nagafen were warping back and forth.  Not lag.  Warping.  There was a templar and a ranger (whose names I will post all over the boards, if I see them again so that I can write them down) who would literally warp from blue base to red base where I was, hit me, then warp back, warp to me, warp back, over and over.  That's not lag.  That's cheating.  Maybe it's more noticeable on Battlefield than Smugglers' Den, but come on, people.  If you have to cheat at a video game, then you're pathetic.</p>

Brigh
07-09-2010, 04:36 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I had my first experience in Battlefield of Ganak tonight.  Several players from Nagafen were warping back and forth.  Not lag.  Warping.  There was a templar and a ranger (whose names I will post all over the boards, if I see them again so that I can write them down) <span style="color: #ff0000;">Thus breaking these forum rules</span> who would literally warp from blue base to red base where I was, hit me, then warp back, warp to me, warp back, over and over.  That's not lag.  That's cheating.  Maybe it's more noticeable on Battlefield than Smugglers' Den, but come on, people.  If you have to cheat at a video game, then you're pathetic.</p></blockquote>

Hamervelder
07-09-2010, 05:41 AM
<p><cite>Brigh wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I had my first experience in Battlefield of Ganak tonight.  Several players from Nagafen were warping back and forth.  Not lag.  Warping.  There was a templar and a ranger (whose names I will post all over the boards, if I see them again so that I can write them down) <span style="color: #ff0000;">Thus breaking these forum rules</span> who would literally warp from blue base to red base where I was, hit me, then warp back, warp to me, warp back, over and over.  That's not lag.  That's cheating.  Maybe it's more noticeable on Battlefield than Smugglers' Den, but come on, people.  If you have to cheat at a video game, then you're pathetic.</p></blockquote></blockquote><p>Heh.  Not this forum.  That other forum, you know, the one over there.</p>

Adrez
07-10-2010, 01:00 AM
<p>Should remove nagafen and vox from the BG cluster and make a nag/vox cluster.</p><p>They have warfields now too and pvp all day long by default.</p><p>Cheating would go down '80% on the current cluster.</p><p>+ It is unfair at lower lvls to have gear that only 2 servers have access, and that gear is way better than BG token gear.</p>

Mary the Prophetess
07-10-2010, 03:09 AM
<p>I play on a blue server.  I play a Berserker, and I play in tier 4 BG.  It is my understanding that the BG gear is designed to mirror the PvP gear, and as such is not appreciably different.  Am I incorrect?</p><p>Awhile back, before they lossened up the Q for Smuggler's, it was not possible for blue servers to get a full set of BG gear, because they could not get the bottles needed to purchase half of the set.  Red servers however did have access to a full set of PvP gear giving them a slight advantage.</p><p>That situation seems to have been rectified now and we bluebies can fully equip up and be competitive.  I really find no significant advantages that red server players have over blue server players at tier 4 BG.</p><p>It is not whether or not they have PvP experience or not.  It's all about gear, AAs and master level spells.</p><p>I have a full set of BG gear, including the mount, and mastercrafted or fabled for slots not included in BG.  I have adornments on all slots that take them.  I have all master's level spells, and I have 160AAs.  I do not have a level 90 main feeding me gear, tokens or supporting me.</p><p>I am a tough nut to crack, but it is all about the way I am geared.</p><p>What I have is available to any other player on a blue server as well.  I have taken down many from Nagafen and Vox who, (believe it or not), are not as well speced out as I am.  Against someone equally as well geared, it's a pretty good match.</p><p>I honestly see no *significant* advantage that PvP servers have over PvE servers at tier 4.  Perhaps I am missing something?</p><p> As far as cheating goes, I have seen warping on occasion.  It is not often or prevelant that I have noticed, and it occurs (mostly) in Ganak.  The times I have noticed it occuring, it was players from Nagafen that seemed to be doing it.  This could merely be coincidence, or it could be due to the fact that PvPer are more savvy about where to find these exploits, I am not really sure.</p><p>At any rate, it has not had a major impact in the matches that I have been in, and I believe that by /petitioning, we as a community will be able to police ourselves.</p>

Seiffil
07-10-2010, 04:41 AM
<p><cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I play on a blue server.  I play a Berserker, and I play in tier 4 BG.  It is my understanding that the BG gear is designed to mirror the PvP gear, and as such is not appreciably different.  Am I incorrect?</p></blockquote><p>I might be wrong, but I think when he was saying that they have a gear advantage, I think he was refering to the set piece bonus from the jewelry that gives roughly a 200 point ward.  I don't think it is possible to get all the pieces from the BG merchants in order to get that. </p><p>Editted to remove most of the quote.</p>

Mary the Prophetess
07-10-2010, 06:45 AM
<p>You can get the ward with three peices of jewelry (4 slots are available for BG sets), but the spell reflect requires 5 pieces, and only 4 are possible to get at tier 4.  I think that changes though as you go up in tiers.</p><p>Players from PvP servers are able to get 5 pieces and get the reflect.  It's nice to have, but it does not pop off often enough or predictively enough to effect the outcome of the scenario.  It may be a *slight* edge though.</p><p>Also remember that fights in BGs are not one on one match-ups (usually).  So that a slight weakness in one player's gear can be marginal in a free-for-all cat fight.</p><p>That being said, if you find yourself with an all marginally geared force going up against an all superbly geared force, then you are going to go down in flames.  But that rarely happens.</p><p>Even without BG gear you can still be competitive in master crafted.  You will be at a disadvantage in toughness and in resists, but it is not an insurmountable obstacle.  Believe it or not not every player from the red servers is totally geared out.  It may be a bit of a catch-up, but without doing BG 24/7 you can easily get geared up in several weeks of steady (even casual) BG play.</p>

Pervis
07-10-2010, 09:36 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>That is not cheating - that is lag.</blockquote><p>Using it to your advantage, even if it happens accidently, is still exploiting.</p><p>Lagging through a wall should happen no more often on PvP servers as it does on PvE servers. It does happen a lot more on PvP servers, and everyone that plays on both server types knows it does. The last time I saw someone in PvE warp through a wall, accidently or otherwise, on a PvE server was in KoS (Harla Dar... your guess as to whether it was accidental or not). The last time I saw someone do it on a PvP server was about 4 days ago.</p><p>Your whole post seems to be trying to justify people doing things they shouldn't, and things they know they shoudn't, because lag is involved. You seem to think its fine for someone to "accidently" warp through a wall when it is advantagous to them, because of lag. Its incredibly rare that this happens accidently, and so easy to manufacture the lag required for it to happen with no way of SOE logging it. So, to me, any form of warping through walls is reason enough for a suspension, and investigation as to whether this has happened multiple times or not, which should result in a permanant ban.</p>

Hamervelder
07-10-2010, 01:22 PM
<p><cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You can get the ward with three peices of jewelry (4 slots are available for BG sets), but the spell reflect requires 5 pieces, and only 4 are possible to get at tier 4.  I think that changes though as you go up in tiers.</p><p>Players from PvP servers are able to get 5 pieces and get the reflect.  It's nice to have, but it does not pop off often enough or predictively enough to effect the outcome of the scenario.  It may be a *slight* edge though.</p><p>Also remember that fights in BGs are not one on one match-ups (usually).  So that a slight weakness in one player's gear can be marginal in a free-for-all cat fight.</p><p>That being said, if you find yourself with an all marginally geared force going up against an all superbly geared force, then you are going to go down in flames.  But that rarely happens.</p><p>Even without BG gear you can still be competitive in master crafted.  You will be at a disadvantage in toughness and in resists, but it is not an insurmountable obstacle.  Believe it or not not every player from the red servers is totally geared out.  It may be a bit of a catch-up, but without doing BG 24/7 you can easily get geared up in several weeks of steady (even casual) BG play.</p></blockquote><p>Something that I've noticed is that players from PvP servers have gear with procs that we on PvE servers apparently can't get.  I say apparently, because I haven't looked at every piece of gear in-depth.  For instance, there was a warden from Nagafen on Battlefield last evening, who kept fearing me when I'd hit her.  Having a 90 warden myself, I know that wardens do NOT get a fear of any kind, whether through spells or through AA's.  Ergo, she must have been fearing me via her gear.  Now, maybe there's some PvE gear that I don't know about that has an often-proccing fear on it, but I somehow doubt it.  I'm leaning toward the opinion that she's got gear that procs fear, and that it's gear that I can't get.  is that an unfair advantage?  Yes.  Will I still go and play?  Yes.  I'm only playing BG's because honestly, the BG gear is better than about anything I can get in instances, at any tier.  I could care less if I win or lose, or if some idiot teenager cheats to make his [Removed for Content] feel bigger.  I just want tokens to get gear.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Auxillery
07-10-2010, 01:40 PM
<p>Ok you know what, blaming nagafen for hacking 24/7 is INCORRECT. I found Godmode from Najena hacks, several people from PvE do it, so blaming us because your gear sucks and your squishy is not a justifiable cause. K thx</p>

YasikoSetsu
07-10-2010, 01:45 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You can get the ward with three peices of jewelry (4 slots are available for BG sets), but the spell reflect requires 5 pieces, and only 4 are possible to get at tier 4.  I think that changes though as you go up in tiers.</p><p>Players from PvP servers are able to get 5 pieces and get the reflect.  It's nice to have, but it does not pop off often enough or predictively enough to effect the outcome of the scenario.  It may be a *slight* edge though.</p><p>Also remember that fights in BGs are not one on one match-ups (usually).  So that a slight weakness in one player's gear can be marginal in a free-for-all cat fight.</p><p>That being said, if you find yourself with an all marginally geared force going up against an all superbly geared force, then you are going to go down in flames.  But that rarely happens.</p><p>Even without BG gear you can still be competitive in master crafted.  You will be at a disadvantage in toughness and in resists, but it is not an insurmountable obstacle.  Believe it or not not every player from the red servers is totally geared out.  It may be a bit of a catch-up, but without doing BG 24/7 you can easily get geared up in several weeks of steady (even casual) BG play.</p></blockquote><p>Something that I've noticed is that players from PvP servers have gear with procs that we on PvE servers apparently can't get.  I say apparently, because I haven't looked at every piece of gear in-depth.  For instance, there was a warden from Nagafen on Battlefield last evening, who kept fearing me when I'd hit her.  Having a 90 warden myself, I know that wardens do NOT get a fear of any kind, whether through spells or through AA's.  Ergo, she must have been fearing me via her gear.  Now, maybe there's some PvE gear that I don't know about that has an often-proccing fear on it, but I somehow doubt it.  I'm leaning toward the opinion that she's got gear that procs fear, and that it's gear that I can't get.  is that an unfair advantage?  Yes.  Will I still go and play?  Yes.  I'm only playing BG's because honestly, the BG gear is better than about anything I can get in instances, at any tier.  I could care less if I win or lose, or if some idiot teenager cheats to make his [Removed for Content] feel bigger.  I just want tokens to get gear.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>The fear earring from the t8 pvp mercheant doesn't work in battlegrounds any more, so she must have been using the house item that has a 5% chance to fear. Anyone can get that.</p><p>Speedhacking has always been a problem on Nagafen/Venekor. There's really no incentive to do it on blue servers - so I can see how it would probably be 90% nagafen players you see doing it. Some people use it over here to escape from PvP fights, or have an advantage in combat with high run speed. It's pretty lame, but it's extremely accessible, and as far as I know, Sony has to method of detecting it other than petitions.</p>

Pinino-Lfg
07-10-2010, 02:03 PM
<p>Warping is usually caused by incredibly bad lag, if you've played on naggy in pvp before warping is common, for alot of people u have to predict where the person will be 5 - 10 secs from where you see them now... its pretty awsome bluebies wouldnt know anything about that kinda lag. not that im saying there arnt hackers out there that use climb, or other 3rd part programs but cmon its almost turned into accusing people of witchcraft everytime somthing happens that you cant explain, its ridiculous....</p><p>most of the time all you hear is bluebies crying about stuff that is new to them, yall arnt used to pvp so you dont know half of the crap thats going on, crying about speed hacking people, when you can see the pact of the cheetah up on them... yall have no idea how to read buffs to tell what class yall are fighting and what that class can do cuz its given to you with symbols, when for most pvpers its second nature for a pvp player to know the tricks and skills of every single race and class buff.. DA, Tsunami, Pactof cheetah, Sprint, bob and weve, adrenaline, concealment, swashies temps, pft, sandstorm, imunization, stun pot, root pot, magnetic note or whatever, manashield, wizard ward, weather monk is in defensive offensive or spider, kerra runspeed casted before engaged still works, predator parry, if thier an assassin they have shadowstep other porting classes include, brawlers, crusaders, conjurors, people that can port u i believe are illys and warlocks... so dont fret its not witchcraft or dark magic yall. Dont run around complaining about how horrible they hack right away just because you cant explain somthing urself...</p>

Auxillery
07-10-2010, 02:06 PM
<p>Hey look a person who is awake and knows what they are talking about, +1 to you good sir.</p>

Terrius
07-10-2010, 03:09 PM
I've seen just as many Blue server people using exploits as I have Red server people. For instance I saw a healer warp behind a crate in gears with the relic where nobody could see or hit them, and guess what? they were a Blue server not red. :O If there are cheats lazy people will use them. While some of the "warping" may be from lag most of it I've seen is definatly not the common lag warping. I just wish there was some way to deal with it more effectively.

Seiffil
07-10-2010, 07:04 PM
<p><cite>YasikoSetsuna wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite></cite>The fear earring from the t8 pvp mercheant doesn't work in battlegrounds any more, so she must have been using the house item that has a 5% chance to fear. Anyone can get that.</p><p>Speedhacking has always been a problem on Nagafen/Venekor. There's really no incentive to do it on blue servers - so I can see how it would probably be 90% nagafen players you see doing it. Some people use it over here to escape from PvP fights, or have an advantage in combat with high run speed. It's pretty lame, but it's extremely accessible, and as far as I know, Sony has to method of detecting it other than petitions.</p></blockquote><p>You do realize that the fear earring from the pvp merchant was added to the BG merchants right?  I'm pretty certain it works again in BG's now, though there is a trigger limitation on it.</p>

Pervis
07-11-2010, 07:56 AM
<p><cite>Pinino-Lfg wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>not that im saying there arnt hackers out there that use climb, or other 3rd part programs</blockquote><p>You do not need a 3rd party program to warp through a wall.</p><p>The actual lag on Nagafen is no worse than any other server I play on. I know this from first hand experiance, not third as I am sure you would like to believe. Simply put, Nagafen has a lot more cheaters than any other server. Players on other servers may make use of random bugs that bring them some form of benefit (still an exploit), but players on Nagafen go out of their way to create/buy applications to cheat, as well as using any other means they can to gain an advantage - exploit or not.</p><p>Basically, Nagafen server is the Mossad of EverQuest 2 servers. They will do anything at all to get what they want, ethics and consiquences be damned.</p>

Swarfega
07-11-2010, 06:12 PM
<p>I could be very wrong but arent ALL players in a BG match loaded off thier own servers onto the same one? IE Nag players no longer on Nag, Najenas no longer on Najena all onto an equal lag environment? (individual connections aside)</p><p>If this is true there should never be a complaint about server based lag in BG's unless everyone in that BG is experiencing it.</p><p>So if someone is warping it is NOT anything to do with thier originating server. It would be either cheating if its large warps or thier connection if small warps.</p>

wayfaerer
07-12-2010, 02:15 AM
<p>I've never seen anyone who was obviously hacking, from Nagafen or otherwise. I think most of the people who complain about hacking probably just don't understand the abilities or mechanics they have seen in action.</p><p>I had someone summon a 'hacker' pet against me in Ganak. No idea why, I can only assume it was because I capped the first flag less than a minute after the BG had started. They probably thought I was speed hacking when it was just pact of the cheetah, or maybe they thought I had warped when it was actually the enemy tank who had punted me all the way out of their flag room (after I'd already picked up their flag!).</p><p>On the very next flag run my guildmate picked up the enemy flag and immediately got teleported out of the flag room by an enemy warlock. I bet they thought he was hacking too.</p><p>Some people just don't know the game very well.</p>

KniteShayd
07-12-2010, 10:40 AM
<p>Most of the time when I see blatant warping, It's usually a scout (always rogues, incl Assassins) or a Brawler. Usually warping happens so the player can get behind me before I can face them with auto attack, when I snare/root em to slow there movements, or so they can become <em>Too Far Away</em> so I can't go on the offensive and they can keep hitting me.</p><p>I guess I will have to be more conscious of players who <em>do</em> warp, so I can start reporting them.</p><p>As far as slow loading/lag vs Warping. I, myself can tell, because lag they are usually running into walls/objects/off to who-knows-where. Warping you're still getting CA's used on you, or they suddenly appear at their intended destination.</p>

Brugg
07-12-2010, 12:37 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>So can someone explain to me how i can acuratly pinpoint someone cheating? I understand there is lag and there are cheaters. Was chasing someone today in Ganak who was holding the flag and it seemed like i waas running next to him so i would try to snare but it would sya he was out of range even though the icon was lit and he looked to be in range. then out of nowehere he just zips through a wall and disappears.</blockquote><p>This has happened to me several times and its always nagafen players.</p>

Wytie
07-12-2010, 12:48 PM
<p>Want to see some real warping and hacking.... Wait till they give us fame loss on death in the open pvp servers.</p><p>All the cheaters will be out in full force then, nothing makes cheating worth it like fame.</p><p>But 95% of what people think is cheating is just some form of lag or lag spike, granted some people know how to cause that and use it to their advantage but most times its random. People have also become very good at understnading how to use the game latency to their advantage, most people dont understand this or how it works, and end up having no idea.</p>

Isuldor
07-16-2010, 03:56 AM
<p>*Well* I personally have a very shotty computer, and I imagine sometimes I have been reported for cheating/warping due to lag. Sometimes I'll run right through things because they haven't even rendered yet.. did that in ganak earlier today on my sk. Ran right through where the wall was supposed to be, grabbed the flag, and got stuck in the wall when it rendered.I had lifeburn on me..luckily the flag dropped out of the wall.. but thats a different story. Its VERY easy to tell a cheater/hacker from someone suffering from latency or rendering issues. Warping is a very common thing on Nagafen, and I remember those KP zergs.. almost having someone dead.. then BOOM. Halfway across the field, and out of combat. There is a guy that plays BGs from nagafen who is a coercer, he warps like no tomorrow. You'll see him at center one second, then at lava mace 2 seconds later. Granted he is a fae, but he literally moves that fast. Idk the name... never really cared enough to mention it. Harmtouch usually puts a quick end to his warping.</p>