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moker
03-03-2010, 10:14 AM
<p>is there to much buff striping going on?</p><p>i think this an issue that should be looked into</p><p>reactive heals, HoTs, wards all getting stripped not to mention all the normal buffs a player might have</p><p>its more of an annoyance than a succsessful way to take down other players</p><p>not to mention that as a cleric if you take out 60% of the heals a cleric has and leave them with only direct heals whats the point?</p><p>at times i have seen both single and group reactives plus repent and the stun reactive all get stripped off</p>

Naggasaki
03-03-2010, 10:32 AM
<p>Let me answer your question with a question.</p><p>What do you do to epic mobs that you want to actually kill?</p><p>Debuff correct? The fastest, easiest and most efficent way to tear through something is to make it as weak as possible before attacking it. Debuffing a warden in pvp is an absolute MUST. Same goes for most classes. Mages go down pretty quick if you can get to them but that's another topic. Debuff happens.</p>

03-03-2010, 04:31 PM
<p>The buff stripping ability of the crusaders was a neat idea... that being said think about the overwhelming amount of crusaders running around out there.  Most of the time I find myself in a constant state of re-applying buffs.  I thought that the devs made the buffs permanent to avoid constant rebuffing?</p><p>I know you dont want you're sk's doom judgement messed with,  and I can understand why.  Its uber.  Uber as it may be for you,  it is a major annoyance for everyone else.  I would even venture to say it annoys me more than disables me.  The only thing that annoys worse is the banshee hoop.. though that is for another thread all together.</p>

goryf
03-03-2010, 04:37 PM
<p>rebuff or die.  the code of BG. you have to realize every class out there provides a different encounter. i have come to realize that when i notice my buffs going away i start targeting dirges and troubs.  i do not play either class so i really do not know if it is them doing it but they are alway near when it happens. and once they are dead it seems fine. its like going after the healer over a tank. you want to kill the healer so he will stop healing the tank. if you do not do this you are in for a very long fight. but yeat the tank can taunt you off?? NO WAY!!! it's what we tanks were meant to do.  we taunt other players just like they are mobs so that we can prevent the healers and others from getting hit. so that way they can keep me alive. you must realise the BG is not PvE and these mobs think about the best way to kill you instead of working on premade programs and timers. sucks i know but adapt and prevail.</p>

03-03-2010, 04:52 PM
<p>Projectsmedly if that was directed towards me,  friend I have been on red servers since they were introduced.  Im well aware of how things work in a player versus player environment.</p><p>Was simply trying to put the math into perspective.  There are LOTS of crusaders.. and the first thing they do is toss doom judgement out.  Whats the point of having buffs if they are never on?</p><p>Debuffing is one thing,  buff stripping is a whole other beast,  and that beast needs to be leashed a little <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> all Im sayin</p>

goryf
03-03-2010, 05:26 PM
<p>your right.  take away the ability to stripp buffs.  while your at it take away the ability to do everything else from every class. lets play BG with no AA spells or gear abilities. all classes shall hence forth do nothing more than heal or hit. not very exciting sounding is it?  the threat of having buffs stripped keeps me on my toes and makes me constantly ask "who else is here other than the tank and healer?". don't get me wrong, i find it quite infuriating when i am in the middle of a fight and half my buffs dissapear on me.  but i also hate it when i am fighting a PvE mob boss and he aoe stuns and nabs the healers so that it is a wipe. i read just now in another thread and so i quote. "If you have a PvP problem find a PvP solution".  as someone who plays on PvP server this should not be to difficult for you to do. and when you do find it you should post it because i would greatly like to know the solution to the debuffing as well.</p><p>oh and no my post was not for you.  i posted it for the general idea of this thread. i do not attack or flame on forums.</p>

03-03-2010, 05:50 PM
<p>I didnt say take it away.. I said put a leash on it <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> in fact in a prior post I said it was a neat idea.  I dont want a game that just involves 2 spells/ca's.  I dont want everyone to be the same,  I like the diversity here.. its what has kept me playing for 5+ years.  This is like having an argument with a sorceror who doesnt think they need to be toned back.  Sorcerors were by no means weak pre SF.. they are gods now.  When things are out of line if no one speaks up they stay out of line.</p><p>P.S. about the only solution to the constant debuffing Ive found is to stay out of range... considering I generally play my coercer who do you think the tank is comming for first <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

goryf
03-03-2010, 05:57 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I didnt say take it away.. I said put a leash on it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /> in fact in a prior post I said it was a neat idea.  I dont want a game that just involves 2 spells/ca's.  I dont want everyone to be the same,  I like the diversity here.. its what has kept me playing for 5+ years.  This is like having an argument with a sorceror who doesnt think they need to be toned back.  Sorcerors were by no means weak pre SF.. they are gods now.  When things are out of line if no one speaks up they stay out of line.</p><p>P.S. about the only solution to the constant debuffing Ive found is to stay out of range... considering I generally play my coercer who do you think the tank is comming for first <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>lol as a tank i put you and illies second on my list of must dies.  healer first. tank third. assassins and rangers forth and whoever left tab through. but i guess your right.  having 3-5 buffs dissapear in one cast does seem a bit much.  if it were leashed to 1-2 (3 maybe on a nonresisted crit hit) i would be less urmgh about the whole deal.</p>

Legion2024
03-03-2010, 06:30 PM
<p>just deal with it and rebuff while fighting you will get the hang of it.</p>

Naggasaki
03-04-2010, 06:11 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The buff stripping ability of the crusaders was a neat idea... that being said think about the overwhelming amount of crusaders running around out there.  Most of the time I find myself in a constant state of re-applying buffs.  I thought that the devs made the buffs permanent to avoid constant rebuffing?</p><p>I know you dont want you're sk's doom judgement messed with,  and I can understand why.  Its uber.  Uber as it may be for you,  it is a major annoyance for everyone else.  I would even venture to say it annoys me more than disables me.  The only thing that annoys worse is the banshee hoop.. though that is for another thread all together.</p></blockquote><p>Heck yeah it's ubar. But so is reaver, and that buff CONSTANTLY gets stripped off me. Fighting both other crusaders and non crusaders. Come to think of it, thank you for reminding me...the devs MISSED this one in the 'persisting through death' revamp. Every time we die, we have to re-apply reaver.</p><p>I post as my SK because that's how naggy knows me. But I play a warlock, brigand and warden as well. The amount of debuffs I apply depends on the situation but rest assured, I use them... a LOT in PvP.</p><p>And while we're on the topic of 'over run with crusaders', what about this game being 'everscout'? I mean ... c'mon. More swashbucklers, dirges and brigands in end game than I have ever seen in years past.</p>

Rothgar
03-04-2010, 07:06 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The buff stripping ability of the crusaders was a neat idea... that being said think about the overwhelming amount of crusaders running around out there.  Most of the time I find myself in a constant state of re-applying buffs.  I thought that the devs made the buffs permanent to avoid constant rebuffing?</p><p>I know you dont want you're sk's doom judgement messed with,  and I can understand why.  Its uber.  Uber as it may be for you,  it is a major annoyance for everyone else.  I would even venture to say it annoys me more than disables me.  The only thing that annoys worse is the banshee hoop.. though that is for another thread all together.</p></blockquote><p>Heck yeah it's ubar. But so is reaver, and that buff CONSTANTLY gets stripped off me. Fighting both other crusaders and non crusaders. Come to think of it, thank you for reminding me...<strong>the devs MISSED this one in the 'persisting through death' revamp. Every time we die, we have to re-apply reaver.</strong></p><p>I post as my SK because that's how naggy knows me. But I play a warlock, brigand and warden as well. The amount of debuffs I apply depends on the situation but rest assured, I use them... a LOT in PvP.</p><p>And while we're on the topic of 'over run with crusaders', what about this game being 'everscout'? I mean ... c'mon. More swashbucklers, dirges and brigands in end game than I have ever seen in years past.</p></blockquote><p>I believe its because the design of the buff is to drop if it can no longer remove health from you.  When you die your health is zero, so it dispells.</p>

Jasuo
03-04-2010, 08:33 AM
<p>/agreed with the annoyance of the ability some classes have to completely strip every buff, it's a little out of hand on them</p><p>I generally target crusaders and druids first in BG's simply because they're more annoying than anything, but them stripping my buffs isn't going to kill me outright.</p>

Naggasaki
03-04-2010, 09:39 AM
<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The buff stripping ability of the crusaders was a neat idea... that being said think about the overwhelming amount of crusaders running around out there.  Most of the time I find myself in a constant state of re-applying buffs.  I thought that the devs made the buffs permanent to avoid constant rebuffing?</p><p>I know you dont want you're sk's doom judgement messed with,  and I can understand why.  Its uber.  Uber as it may be for you,  it is a major annoyance for everyone else.  I would even venture to say it annoys me more than disables me.  The only thing that annoys worse is the banshee hoop.. though that is for another thread all together.</p></blockquote><p>Heck yeah it's ubar. But so is reaver, and that buff CONSTANTLY gets stripped off me. Fighting both other crusaders and non crusaders. Come to think of it, thank you for reminding me...<strong>the devs MISSED this one in the 'persisting through death' revamp. Every time we die, we have to re-apply reaver.</strong></p><p>I post as my SK because that's how naggy knows me. But I play a warlock, brigand and warden as well. The amount of debuffs I apply depends on the situation but rest assured, I use them... a LOT in PvP.</p><p>And while we're on the topic of 'over run with crusaders', what about this game being 'everscout'? I mean ... c'mon. More swashbucklers, dirges and brigands in end game than I have ever seen in years past.</p></blockquote><p>I believe its because the design of the buff is to drop if it can no longer remove health from you.  When you die your health is zero, so it dispells.</p></blockquote><p>Not to get off topic or flame (a dev of all people), if that were the case, wouldn't it drop before Bloodletter triggered, thus causing you to re-apply the buff after bloodletter had triggered? Just curious.</p>

03-04-2010, 11:13 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The buff stripping ability of the crusaders was a neat idea... that being said think about the overwhelming amount of crusaders running around out there.  Most of the time I find myself in a constant state of re-applying buffs.  I thought that the devs made the buffs permanent to avoid constant rebuffing?</p><p>I know you dont want you're sk's doom judgement messed with,  and I can understand why.  Its uber.  Uber as it may be for you,  it is a major annoyance for everyone else.  I would even venture to say it annoys me more than disables me.  The only thing that annoys worse is the banshee hoop.. though that is for another thread all together.</p></blockquote><p>Heck yeah it's ubar. But so is reaver, and that buff CONSTANTLY gets stripped off me. Fighting both other crusaders and non crusaders. Come to think of it, thank you for reminding me...the devs MISSED this one in the 'persisting through death' revamp. Every time we die, we have to re-apply reaver.</p><p>I post as my SK because that's how naggy knows me. But I play a warlock, brigand and warden as well. The amount of debuffs I apply depends on the situation but rest assured, I use them... a LOT in PvP.</p><p>And while we're on the topic of 'over run with crusaders', what about this game being 'everscout'? I mean ... c'mon. More swashbucklers, dirges and brigands in end game than I have ever seen in years past.</p></blockquote><p>Its not really everscout anymore <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Its eversorc tbh.  Was in a gears group yesterday against a group that had 3 wizzies tossing fissions around like it was goin out of style.  Was pretty lulzy honestly.  Oh and fyi I play my chanter much more than my dirge.</p><p>Look I dont want DJ to be removed or anything.. just leash it back a little.  In my (and quite a few other peoples) opinion it strips a little too much.  If 2 crusaders run in and DJ off the bat you have not one buff left on,  and before you ask what the odds are on that... they are pretty high.  I think the recast is like 1 minute or so with aa into it? That ensures you get to use that at the beginning of every fight. </p><p>So I ask,  do you feel that it is in line that DJ rips 3-5 buffs? Or would it be more inline to rip 1-2.  Consider the fact that you are generally fighting multiple crusaders when you reply with you're answer.</p>

Seomon
03-04-2010, 11:42 AM
<p>Oh yay, the nerfs are coming because of BG whining!</p>

03-04-2010, 11:51 AM
<p>If you want to have a discussion, at least be creative.  Give me a reason why it should not be scaled back... present you're facts and you're point of view.  If not I would ask that you take that negativity elsewhere. </p>

Naggasaki
03-04-2010, 11:53 AM
<p>To be honest, I don't open with or even consider Doom Judgement in 'most' pvp encounters. Namely because I'm playing in an 'Open World' PvP environment and the only thing I want to kill is you (not you specifically but you get the picture) and I really don't want mobs adding onto me if I can avoid it. The biggest opener would probably be Devouring Mist, it's encounter based and still makes you cloth like. Now, if it gets nuts and i need extra help, you better beleive some AoE's are coming out.</p><p>Either way, and again not to get off topic, the buff stripping is what happens. Brigs debuff the (i cannot control my vocabulary) outta me every single time. I've learned to watch my buff bar. In fact, it's right there, in my face so I see what's up and what's down at all times. I guess some of us are just more content to 'adapt' than to complain about needing a nerf bat session.</p>

03-04-2010, 12:02 PM
<p>I watch my buff bar,  it's right up there in my face too.  I re-apply buffs.  I get what you are saying.  This complaint is not lodged at YOU directly.  It is lodged at a class you play.  Please seperate the issues.  So because YOU dont open with DJ,  does not mean that a large portion of the crusaders dont.</p><p>As far as not wanting extra mobs on you,  why would you not want more mobs on you? Thats more to lifetap <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>