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Oatheac
02-28-2010, 10:03 PM
<p>I would love for there to be a Battlegrounds "Hub" server that you zone to. </p><p>Instead of logging with Leave normal server -> Enter BG server -> Match -> Leave BG server -> Enter normal server, it would be nice to just Zone to the BG hub and choose maps and groups from there. (Or "zone group to BG Hub" and enter queue from there.)</p><p>A separate area with a mesh of servers (if more than one server used) so it doesn't strain the normal servers, and would allow grouping with people from other servers if they wanted to.</p><p>Wishful thinking.</p>

KatrinaDeath
02-28-2010, 10:05 PM
<p>This is the best thing I have heard all day. Instead of all the complaining and whining, you present a real solution.</p><p>+Elevenity</p>

Katz
02-28-2010, 10:37 PM
<p>Great idea. </p>

TheSpin
02-28-2010, 11:04 PM
<p>I like the idea too, but I think it should be somewhat optional so that you can be in queue and still do solo quests etc if there ends up being a wait.</p><p>I'd love for a zone to socialize with some of the new players I'm finding in the BGs.</p>

Adba
02-28-2010, 11:06 PM
<p>Oh yes! I'd absolutely love a Preparation/Meeting hub! Awesome idea</p>

Megavolt
02-28-2010, 11:27 PM
<p>yah would have to be a very limited server, only communication and invites allowed, not trading and such, maybe duels.</p>

Oatheac
03-01-2010, 05:26 AM
<p>But it is possible.</p>

Anestacia
03-01-2010, 05:58 AM
<p>I love the idea of a hub.  Limit trade and all that, of course, but after a match it might be nice to chat with someone you have met, which is something you cant do in the 15 seconds you have until it zones you out.  Also, it would be possible to form groups with any friends you might have on other servers.  Great idea!</p>

Balmore
03-01-2010, 06:25 AM
<p>A solution is coming soon.</p>

Megavolt
03-01-2010, 11:56 AM
<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I love the idea of a hub.  Limit trade and all that, of course, but after a match it might be nice to chat with someone you have met, which is something you cant do in the 15 seconds you have until it zones you out.  Also, it would be possible to form groups with any friends you might have on other servers.  Great idea!</p></blockquote><p>15 seconds?!?! I want your wait for a zoneout, tends to take me 5 minutes+</p>

Ace235228
03-01-2010, 12:22 PM
<p>I would love to see this happen.</p>

Sambone
03-01-2010, 12:37 PM
<p>If it makes things work smoothly I'm all for it, but if they can figure out how to make it work without having to log out and then login to a special BG server that'd be cool too haha.  Would be sweet to have somewhere to talk a lil before and after if u like though.</p>

TheSpin
03-01-2010, 01:04 PM
This is the bestest idea ever! I really hope this is considered. Just a zone without any NPCs and no trading allowed, but where we can talk face to face with people from other servers since we are now playing with them. It would also be cool if there were certain spots you zoned into depending on which battleground and team you just finished. So if you just finished a Klak'anon BG on the red team, all 6 players would zone into the same building in the BG Hub.

inde
03-01-2010, 01:26 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I would love for there to be a Battlegrounds "Hub" server that you zone to. </p><p>Instead of logging with Leave normal server -> Enter BG server -> Match -> Leave BG server -> Enter normal server, it would be nice to just Zone to the BG hub and choose maps and groups from there. (Or "zone group to BG Hub" and enter queue from there.)</p><p>A separate area with a mesh of servers (if more than one server used) so it doesn't strain the normal servers, and would allow grouping with people from other servers if they wanted to.</p><p>Wishful thinking.</p></blockquote><p>Great idea!!</p><p>That would solve the problem completely.  The problem as most of us have figured out is that SOE/EQ2 is trying to be better than other games with the in/out from a standpoint of not only letting you enter BGs from anywhere (which some other games do) but the kicker is they are trying to put you back where you came from rather than dump you in ONE location.  Which means the server is trying to figure out what server 12-48 people are from THEN where in each world each person was before they entered... that is WAAAYYYY too much to ask.. they need to give up and make a hub like this for BGs period, or at least have a central dump spot you end up after a BG and no more 10min+ zone times for everyone playing pve or BG.</p>

Anestacia
03-01-2010, 01:32 PM
<p><cite>Brickfist wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I love the idea of a hub.  Limit trade and all that, of course, but after a match it might be nice to chat with someone you have met, which is something you cant do in the 15 seconds you have until it zones you out.  Also, it would be possible to form groups with any friends you might have on other servers.  Great idea!</p></blockquote><p>15 seconds?!?! I want your wait for a zoneout, tends to take me 5 minutes+</p></blockquote><p>Really?  I have run these things over a hundred times and I have never, ever waited more than 15 or 20 seconds after a win/lose before I am booted.  It's too fast in some cases cause I am trying to read the score board lol.  It may depend on server?  Im on AB and I know we recently got the DB upgrade. /shrug</p>

Irthos
03-01-2010, 06:28 PM
<p>I mentioned this idea weeks ago, when BGs were on test.  Nice to see people +1ing the idea, finally.</p><blockquote><p>I would like to see a zone that you can be sent to, the Battlegrounds Hub that so many of us have gotten stuck zoning to, where people could congregate that are actively LFG for the BG's.  That way you can make sure you're going in with a healer, and can have a clearer picture of how many people are BG'in it up at the time, and fill in spots that are needed.  Some way of communicating with the other BG'ers out there.</p><p>And don't say a world "BG chat" because no one uses Auction, either.</p><p>They could even use a template zone, like the FP or Ant t3 guild hall, to make things easier.  (zomg @ the raging from the opposite side!)  They could do some cool stuff with it too, maybe NPCs that show you the leaderboards, and all the quest givers and armor merchants would be centrally located, man, with some imagination that would be a cool spot to just hang out in, period.</p><p>Also, ntommy mentioned it sorta, but maybe a way to set how many points different matches go to?  I know on some of the funner matches I've had in Ganak, for example, really awesome fights were going on, and that 2nd flag gets captured and BAM you're done.  Maybe some way to up it to first to 5, or 7, etc, would be really cool imo.</p></blockquote>

yadlajoi
03-01-2010, 06:36 PM
yesterday some guys from my server all queued individually and we ended on smuggler, when the play was over we were all waiting 4 to 6 min to get sent back to nektulos

Aanadorn68
03-01-2010, 07:01 PM
<p>Zoning out problems seem to be improved today.  Last night it was taking 5-10 minutes sometimes to log off.  Today after a good 30 or so matches seems the logout times were more like 1-3 minutes, and sometimes less than a minute.</p><p>The hub idea is a great idea though, I'm all for it.</p>

Rageincarnate
03-01-2010, 07:26 PM
<p>awesome idea... i love it.. zoning back and forth all day is annoying at best</p>

Tiptoes
03-01-2010, 07:48 PM
<p>I love this idea of a hub or common queueing/after-match area!  I've been playing BG as often as I can since it went live and I was just talking with my husband about this!  We both think it would be so helpful to be able to form inter-server groups with others who are in queue, and fun afterwards to be able just to talk with people from other servers who you end up with.  The 30 seconds before a fight can be chaotic buffing up and learning your pug, though I suppose that can add to the excitement of BG!</p><p>Great idea I definitely second it! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />  Or hundredth it or whatever <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p>

Antu
03-01-2010, 10:51 PM
<p>Yeah, I think this wins the award for best positive comment on this board. This is a great idea and was a great idea when mentioned in testing too.</p>

Jonaroth
03-01-2010, 10:55 PM
<p>i'd just like to be able to still read guild chat while i'm in BGs, or atleast read all the old guild chat i missed while i was out in BG... that would be nice...</p>

Horizons
03-01-2010, 11:10 PM
<p>There should be a chat lobby so before and after the fights people can say "LOLOLOLOL SO OWNED NOOBS, L2P L2P!"</p><p>I would love this, not even kidding</p>

Rothgar
03-01-2010, 11:23 PM
<p>We talked about this idea early on in battlegrounds development but our thoughts were that you'd want to stay connected with your existing guild and friends as much as possible.  Due to the communication restrictions between the worlds, if the Battlegrounds world were more of a destination, people would seem even more cutoff from the rest of the game.</p><p>However, I'm encouraged by the fact that all of these responses seem positive to the idea and not any negative reactions.  But for this to work, we would have to solve many of the communications issues and do a lot more cleanup on the BG world.</p><p>We are working on ways to improve the zoning times when you move between the worlds so hopefully that will make zoning faster.  We also have plans to try to open up guild chat and some other forms of communication between the worlds but there isn't an ETA on that yet.</p><p>Thanks again for the feedback and ideas.  These threads are always much more productive than the rants!  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Irthos
03-01-2010, 11:54 PM
<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>We talked about this idea early on in battlegrounds development but our thoughts were that you'd want to stay connected with your existing guild and friends as much as possible.  Due to the communication restrictions between the worlds, if the Battlegrounds world were more of a destination, people would seem even more cutoff from the rest of the game.</p><p>However, I'm encouraged by the fact that all of these responses seem positive to the idea and not any negative reactions.  But for this to work, we would have to solve many of the communications issues and do a lot more cleanup on the BG world.</p><p>We are working on ways to improve the zoning times when you move between the worlds so hopefully that will make zoning faster.  We also have plans to try to open up guild chat and some other forms of communication between the worlds but there isn't an ETA on that yet.</p><p>Thanks again for the feedback and ideas.  These threads are always much more productive than the rants!  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>yessssssssssssssssssssssss</p>

Neihn
03-02-2010, 12:09 AM
<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>We talked about this idea early on in battlegrounds development but our thoughts were that you'd want to stay connected with your existing guild and friends as much as possible.  Due to the communication restrictions between the worlds, if the Battlegrounds world were more of a destination, people would seem even more cutoff from the rest of the game.</p><p>However, I'm encouraged by the fact that all of these responses seem positive to the idea and not any negative reactions.  But for this to work, we would have to solve many of the communications issues and do a lot more cleanup on the BG world.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>We are working on ways to improve the zoning times when you move between the worlds so hopefully that will make zoning faster.</strong> </span> We also have plans to try to open up guild chat and some other forms of communication between the worlds but there isn't an ETA on that yet.</p><p>Thanks again for the feedback and ideas.  These threads are always much more productive than the rants!  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Rothgar, while faster zoning times would be nice could you also look at keeping the Match Statistics window open longer. Sometimes I have enough time to look through the entire list twice other times I cant even get half way through it before the window closes and I am returned to my home server. And so far I am really enjoying the Battlegrounds. Its got a few kinks in it still mainly with the matchmaking with Klak. But overall good work.</p>

Irthos
03-02-2010, 12:30 AM
<p>You can look at the last game played by hitting ALt S back on your home server.</p>

Megavolt
03-02-2010, 01:07 AM
<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Brickfist wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I love the idea of a hub.  Limit trade and all that, of course, but after a match it might be nice to chat with someone you have met, which is something you cant do in the 15 seconds you have until it zones you out.  Also, it would be possible to form groups with any friends you might have on other servers.  Great idea!</p></blockquote><p>15 seconds?!?! I want your wait for a zoneout, tends to take me 5 minutes+</p></blockquote><p>Really?  I have run these things over a hundred times and I have never, ever waited more than 15 or 20 seconds after a win/lose before I am booted.  It's too fast in some cases cause I am trying to read the score board lol.  It may depend on server?  Im on AB and I know we recently got the DB upgrade. /shrug</p></blockquote><p>Yah it's definately server dependant. Also if ya wanna look at the scoreboard after a fight just ALT-S</p>

Anestacia
03-02-2010, 01:16 AM
<p><cite>Brickfist wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yah it's definately server dependant. <strong>Also if ya wanna look at the scoreboard after a fight just ALT-S</strong></p></blockquote><p>Thanks! Didn't know that. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

Irthos
03-02-2010, 01:26 AM
Whatami, chopped liver?

Horizons
03-02-2010, 01:42 AM
<p>. </p>

Oatheac
03-02-2010, 01:57 AM
<p>Couldn't it somehow just be set to that user being logged in, would be listed on the home world, but that they are on Battlegrounds? Just so they're on friendlist and guild list (greyed similar to AFK).</p><p>So it'd end up being (eq2.)Battlegrounds.Homeserver.Name for communication tells.</p><p>It can get annoying seeing guild members logging in and out (in guild messages) as much as we are currently. And it'd be better if that weren't altered.</p><p>People aren't really going to be much more "cut off" than they already are, in my opinion.Friendlists could just have a semi-duplicate entry for each entity on the friend/ignore list.</p>

TheSpin
03-02-2010, 04:08 AM
<p>I like hearing work is being done to help with problems caused by BGs.  That covers the 'needs' brought up in this thread.    By adding the proposed 'hub' zone, it would be more than a fix for some problems, it would be an entire new feature added to the game.  I really love the idea of meeting with people across servers in a simple social zone.</p><p>Heck, I betcha if ya made it a city type zone, and then added some buildings with taverns in them, you might have a really nice social zone that people would really actually use because it was the only way to talk easily across server lines.  It could possibly even encourage new revenue for the game by encouraging some server transfers.</p>

Vulkan_NTooki
03-02-2010, 07:22 AM
<p>I'd like to put in a different opinion tho.. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Could this be optional? I usually do alot of other stuff while waiting for BG.. like crafting, solo questing, harvesting, decorating, you name it.. Just sitting staring at my screen while waiting for access wouldnt feel very productive. Well.. maybe if you put up some crafting stations or harvesting nodes around the hub.. that would be great.. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Kyaaadaa
03-02-2010, 08:15 AM
<p>A portable crafting station would be cool no matter what the circumstance. A new item in which you could pull out a mini-scribe's desk or pocket forge to bang out a few items for whatever reason right there in the field. Something to think about.</p>

screenid
03-02-2010, 08:33 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'd like to put in a different opinion tho.. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Could this be optional? I usually do alot of other stuff while waiting for BG.. like crafting, solo questing, harvesting, decorating, you name it.. Just sitting staring at my screen while waiting for access wouldnt feel very productive. Well.. maybe if you put up some crafting stations or harvesting nodes around the hub.. that would be great.. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I would like it to be optional as well.   I enjoy Harvesting, solo questing, ect..while waiting for BGs.   I guess there might be some days I would go into the HUB....but for the most part..I like queuin up and doing other things while I wait.</p>

Naggasaki
03-02-2010, 08:43 AM
<p><cite>Kyaaadaa wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>A portable crafting station would be cool no matter what the circumstance. A new item in which you could pull out a mini-scribe's desk or pocket forge to bang out a few items for whatever reason right there in the field. Something to think about.</p></blockquote><p>L2 Tinker.</p><p>But I do like the idea of the hub. It's crazy trying to get people to communicate sometimes, or coordinate in the short period of time before the match begins. The few times that I have been fortunate to get INTO BG's I didn't even know which way was up for the majority of the match. (L2 troll maps moar right?)</p>

kcirrot
03-02-2010, 09:04 AM
<p>Great idea!</p>

Neihn
03-02-2010, 12:03 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You can look at the last game played by hitting ALt S back on your home server.</p></blockquote><p>Ahhh thanks. I did not know that you could look at it once you got back to your home server.</p>

corinthe
03-02-2010, 12:17 PM
as the system currently stands is the least impacting to the database. think of it like this, you queue for BG, and are accepted. BG server requests your server.charname and all the stuff that needs to go with you to BG. we're talking about gear, AA, char spec, spell quality, inventory, etc. -- it is copying READ-ONLY data here, there should be no writes while in BG. A BG-type hub would require MORE interaction with the various server databases. If not only because of the token system (which I might add rewards you once you return to your server out of BG with a win or lose flag) but because people would instantly clamor for merchants, services, and other various sundries. I'm not against this by any means but the dev-team seems to be struggling with the database load as is -- let them optimize it then I think we might see something along these lines.

inde
03-02-2010, 01:01 PM
<p><cite>corinthe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>as the system currently stands is the least impacting to the database. think of it like this, you queue for BG, and are accepted. BG server requests your server.charname and all the stuff that needs to go with you to BG. we're talking about gear, AA, char spec, spell quality, inventory, etc. -- it is copying READ-ONLY data here, there should be no writes while in BG. A BG-type hub would require MORE interaction with the various server databases. If not only because of the token system (which I might add rewards you once you return to your server out of BG with a win or lose flag) but because people would instantly clamor for merchants, services, and other various sundries. I'm not against this by any means but the dev-team seems to be struggling with the database load as is -- let them optimize it then I think we might see something along these lines.</blockquote><p>Im not a programmer so I have no opinion on which is more impacting on the database.  But again the problem isnt with going into a BG .. the server drag on zone times even to those (and more so actually) to the pve people that arent even going into BGs is the EXIT.  By making the servers put everyone from the BG back to the spot they zoned in from is the insane drag.</p><p>Just dump everyone out in one spot in world and tons of server work is bypassed.  Example Everyone gets dumped on a new hub island (that way it doesnt lag any existing zone with 500 people trying to BG and pvers trying to quest in that zone.  Sooooo thats a not a hub we go to to BG for 5 hrs... its just an exit hub on your server (with crafting machines so people can craft) I suggest no nodes to harv because I dont want 100 people zoning there to harvest and lagging the hub when they arent even there to BG :p</p>

Cerdix Silverbane
03-02-2010, 01:43 PM
<p>I'd like to add my support for this "Hub" idea.  Add it as an option for the peeps who want to go into BG's as a preset group or raid, as a preperation / social zone.  Don't force the players who just want to join up as an individual for one match to kill some time etc, to have to zone into this hub.</p><p>I'd say that keeping the hub as a preperation zone would really be the key to the idea.  A small town theme with taverns and the like, or an underground arena theme with "ready rooms" would be killer.  Give players access to their personal bank (no guild banks) for gear changes.  Do not allow trading between players.  Allow DUELS (to settle those grudges one on one!).  Give us the battlegrounds gear merchants, and quest NPC's (maybe even a few more quests too, like one that's similar to a writ to earn a small amout of status) in the hub.  And, how about the city merchants as well.  Allow us to stay grouped when we exit matches, and keep raid set-ups "set-up" when you start matches.</p><p>Things like guild chat would be nice, but honestly I could live without it in favor of hub zone.  I really enjoy the Battlegrounds so far, but the long Queue times, exit times, and constant zoning are a real drag.  Thanks to SoE for giving us the new feature, and thanks for working to get it right.</p><p>My two cents.</p>

TinkerGnome
03-02-2010, 02:09 PM
<p>I really don't see how that'd be an issue.. connecting to guild chat during Battlegrounds just means someone is slacking anyway by chatting within the guild. Also, call me lazy but that's what ventrilo is for.</p><p>As for the idea of a "hub", I'm all for it. Apparently myself and a couple of other guildies are starting to annoy the rest of the guild with all the logging in and out spam within the guild chat.</p>

Irthos
03-20-2010, 12:46 PM
Bumped for great justice! Really really really would like to see this happen, I've been ending up in alot of Naggy groups when I'm pugging gears or something, and would love to chat with 'em after or team up with 'em. Xoitl or somethin, Assassin from Naggy, GG last night. Straight rolled through some other pug, then when I ended up on the other team, he pwnt me a few times and gave me a hug. Awww. Seriously tho, I wanna talk//group//duel these guys in the BGHub!

Dreyco
03-20-2010, 06:25 PM
<p>My name is Dreyco and I support this message.</p>

Smirk
03-21-2010, 04:08 AM
<p>pretty sure the whole european community supports this if it means we'll be able to fight everyone else!</p>

LivelyHound
03-21-2010, 09:13 AM
+1 from me too.

Cerdix Silverbane
03-22-2010, 09:52 PM
<p>bump.</p><p>But...</p><p>If you like this idea, tell your friends about it, and get them to post to show support.  This Hub idea would also (most likely) go a long way towards helping to relieve alot of the server stress (long zone load times anyone?) caused by the constant zoning in and out folks are doing right now, because they would be much more likely to just stay in the hub zone between matches.  Seriously... don't let this thread die and be forgotten.  I would be sad.  *sniffle* </p>

Excalibur1
03-24-2010, 08:27 AM
<p><cite>Cerdix Silverbane wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>bump.</p><p>But...</p><p>If you like this idea, tell your friends about it, and get them to post to show support.  This Hub idea would also (most likely) go a long way towards helping to relieve alot of the server stress (long zone load times anyone?) caused by the constant zoning in and out folks are doing right now, because they would be much more likely to just stay in the hub zone between matches.  Seriously... don't let this thread die and be forgotten.  I would be sad.  *sniffle* </p></blockquote><p>I agree and it makes sense to me that this would help a bit with the lag we have all been seeing.</p>

Ristan
03-24-2010, 11:21 AM
<p>I think this is a great idea. Nothing more anoying than seeing your guild mate log in and out 500 times, and your never for usure if they are really gone or just going to another match.</p><p>A cross server hub that you go to, to do battlegrounds would solve that.</p><p>Also, there are a few other ideas you could do, if you couldn't do a "cross server" hub due to the strain on the database or whatever, you could make just a server hub where people get dumped or go to group up which was suggested above.</p><p>I remember in EQ1 when I played it, plane of knowledge was the place to hang out, get buffs, do everything you needed to do.  Could be the same idea for battlegrounds for individual servers.  You go to the "hub" get your totems whatever off a broker, have crafting places there. Queue up and go.  After the match you get dumped in the hub on your server.</p><p>You could group up or chat while in this hub, but you wouldn't be required to be at this hub when you queue up, just you would get dumped there.  At the hub, there could be ways to zone to all the different zones, so there would be a portal to the different main zones like kylong, sundered frontier, antonica, commonlands.  Etc. so even if you were somewhere else you could easily get back.</p><p><img src="http://kyrainetheranger.tripod.com/starsiggirl.gif" width="432" height="130" /></p>

bks6721
03-24-2010, 12:17 PM
<p>I'd rather NOT have a hub.</p><p>I can see it now,  5 groups of 5 looking for "insert class here" while others are qued up and ready to play but aren't the desired class.</p><p>I prefer how it is now even with the many imperfect groups that I get. </p>

Trawe
03-24-2010, 12:23 PM
<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>We talked about this idea early on in battlegrounds development but our thoughts were that you'd want to stay connected with your existing guild and friends as much as possible.  Due to the communication restrictions between the worlds, if the Battlegrounds world were more of a destination, people would seem even more cutoff from the rest of the game.</p><p>However, I'm encouraged by the fact that all of these responses seem positive to the idea and not any negative reactions.  But for this to work, we would have to solve many of the communications issues and do a lot more cleanup on the BG world.</p><p>We are working on ways to improve the zoning times when you move between the worlds so hopefully that will make zoning faster.  We also have plans to try to open up guild chat and some other forms of communication between the worlds but there isn't an ETA on that yet.</p><p>Thanks again for the feedback and ideas.  These threads are always much more productive than the rants!  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>sounds to me like you have a solution for european bg player there.... but i read its too much work so you take the easy way out?</p>

Cuendilar
03-24-2010, 12:52 PM
<p>I would also prefer no BG hub.  I prefer to be able to interact with guildmates between matches.  This might also open up a group for either PvE or BG fun.</p>

Electrostatic
03-25-2010, 03:08 AM
<p>Yeah yeah yeah !!! a BG HUB is the way to go. this would be a dream come true for us BG lovers. a place to gather and disscuss strats and what not. a place to talk to the people you have met and like talking to, when they are from other servers... this is a great plan, if only the Devs would listen ....</p>

Hardain
03-26-2010, 09:05 AM
<p>This is mandatory imo, im sick of sh*** premade groups which are never balanced.</p><p>Oh and do something to EU BG.</p>

Sambone
03-26-2010, 09:39 AM
<p>Personally I think the hub is a great idea, but also think it's a great idea for it to be optional so that those who aren't looking to chat or want to do quests etc in between can do so.  Also, sometimes you may want to chat etc with bg people while other times you may not.</p><p>Furthermore,  if it would help with server performance I'm even more for it though tbh it seems we're clearly due for some upgrades anyways.  Please do so.</p>

Sigtyr
03-27-2010, 10:17 PM
<p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00;">I think the BG hub is a great idea that would improve the BG experience for at least some of the players, but the problem here is the already quite obvious gap between those of us that really like BGs that has at least bought the MC PvP armor and so on, and the people who do it just for fun (and thats ok)</span><span style="font-size: small; font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00;">.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00;">Someone said it has to be 2 BGs one with a hub where you could meet people from other servers form a group, choose a leader and zone in to meet a similarly prepared group. But there should also be a BG that is more or less the same as it is now where you can always just zone in and learn and train</span><span style="font-size: small; font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00;">. A BG hub would be the big divider between those of us that REALLY likes BGs and tries to be our best in there and those who plays it for a laugh, so you have to be able to play BGs both ways.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00;">I would love a BG hub where I can chat and prepare, no trading no tradeskills but maybe a tavern and personal bank acess.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00;">I would also like a BG friendslist where I can add people that I meet in the BGs, maybe with a popup question "sigtyr would like to add you to his BG friendslist, do you accept that?" that way you can say no to being friended by players who did not impress you.</span></p>

Avianna
03-27-2010, 10:41 PM
<p><span style="color: #ffffff;">I sent this private message to Rothgar a few days ago that talks about this very idea.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;"> </span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;">Dear Rothgar,</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;"> </span></p><p><table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="4" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td><span><span style="color: #ffffff; font-size: x-small;">Subject:</span></span></td><td width="100%"><span><span style="color: #ffffff; font-size: x-small;">Idea for Battlegrounds</span></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="3" valign="top"><span><p><span style="color: #ffffff;">I have an idea for you about battlegrounds that MAY help in your delima of the mass amout of data being transfered back and forth that MAY slow that down a bit for you.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;">Most of the people I have seen playing Battlegrounds do not do just one game and then be done but rather they are one after another sessions gathering tokens and running games. This is where my idea comes into play is that instead of charactor transferring them directly to the battle when players want to play battle grounds they get transferred to the "waiting area" or whatever cool name you can think of from their normal server. Then once there they can que up for games in battlegrounds and simply go back and forth from battlegrounds to the waiting area in between games. Then once they are done with their battlegrounds session THEN they get transferred back to their origional server. This would save a lot of the redundant transfers back and forth between servers and take a lot of the load off of gaming servers having to contantly transfer one person back and forth 200 times.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;">Other benifits of this would be on the lower more annoying than anything else stance like your guild messages not being spammed with so-and-so has logged out, so-and-so has logged in every few minutes but instead it would be once when they head out to the waiting area and once when they are done with battlegrounds and come back.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;">Hope this idea helps and you can use it to speed things up for all of us here on norrath. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;">Toodles,</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;">-Avianna</span></p></span></td></tr></tbody></table></p>

Avianna
03-27-2010, 10:56 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00; font-size: small;">I think the BG hub is a great idea that would improve the BG experience for at least some of the players, but the problem here is the already quite obvious gap between those of us that really like BGs that has at least bought the MC PvP armor and so on, and the people who do it just for fun (and thats ok)</span><span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00; font-size: small;">.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00; font-size: small;">Someone said it has to be 2 BGs one with a hub where you could meet people from other servers form a group, choose a leader and zone in to meet a similarly prepared group. But there should also be a BG that is more or less the same as it is now where you can always just zone in and learn and train</span><span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00; font-size: small;">. A BG hub would be the big divider between those of us that REALLY likes BGs and tries to be our best in there and those who plays it for a laugh, so you have to be able to play BGs both ways.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00; font-size: small;">I would love a BG hub where I can chat and prepare, no trading no tradeskills but maybe a tavern and personal bank acess.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00; font-size: small;">I would also like a BG friendslist where I can add people that I meet in the BGs, maybe with a popup question "sigtyr would like to add you to his BG friendslist, do you accept that?" that way you can say no to being friended by players who did not impress you.</span></p></blockquote><p>I think that the random groups is still the best idea EVEN THOUGH you sometimes get stuck in a group with no healer or whatever and there is no possible way to fathem winning the match. Now before the flames rise let me explain why...</p><p>If you could zone into the hub ispect someone or talk to them and see what they have on BEFORE you allow them in your group then only those players that are ubber buff PVP savvy are gonna get into groups. then the lowlie guy from the PvE server that has never run PvP in his life and his gear sucks and his playstyle sucks and blah blah blah... would never get the chance to learn how to become a good PvP player.</p><p>So I think it should still be random groups or groups that were already made when you zoned into the hub as a group or raid. It means you MIGHT get screwed and have homer simpson on your team but look at it like this....</p><p>Your Armor doesn't degrade, you get a token for losing, you get some AA for losing, so really your still winning even if you lose and you still have the ability to create your group or raid and zone in as a team if you only want the best of the best then fill your group or raid before you zone into the hub.</p><p>ok now you can flame thanks for listening...</p><p>-Avianna</p>

Avianna
03-27-2010, 10:57 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00; font-size: small;">I think the BG hub is a great idea that would improve the BG experience for at least some of the players, but the problem here is the already quite obvious gap between those of us that really like BGs that has at least bought the MC PvP armor and so on, and the people who do it just for fun (and thats ok)</span><span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00; font-size: small;">.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00; font-size: small;">Someone said it has to be 2 BGs one with a hub where you could meet people from other servers form a group, choose a leader and zone in to meet a similarly prepared group. But there should also be a BG that is more or less the same as it is now where you can always just zone in and learn and train</span><span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00; font-size: small;">. A BG hub would be the big divider between those of us that REALLY likes BGs and tries to be our best in there and those who plays it for a laugh, so you have to be able to play BGs both ways.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00; font-size: small;">I would love a BG hub where I can chat and prepare, no trading no tradeskills but maybe a tavern and personal bank acess.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00; font-size: small;">I would also like a BG friendslist where I can add people that I meet in the BGs, maybe with a popup question "sigtyr would like to add you to his BG friendslist, do you accept that?" that way you can say no to being friended by players who did not impress you.</span></p></blockquote><p>I think that the random groups is still the best idea EVEN THOUGH you sometimes get stuck in a group with no healer or whatever and there is no possible way to fathem winning the match. Now before the flames rise let me explain why...</p><p>If you could zone into the hub ispect someone or talk to them and see what they have on BEFORE you allow them in your group then only those players that are ubber buff PVP savvy are gonna get into groups. then the lowlie guy from the PvE server that has never run PvP in his life and his gear sucks and his playstyle sucks and blah blah blah... would never get the chance to learn how to become a good PvP player.</p><p>So I think it should still be random groups or groups that were already made when you zoned into the hub as a group or raid. It means you MIGHT get screwed and have homer simpson on your team but look at it like this....</p><p>Your Armor doesn't degrade, you get a token for losing, you get some AA for losing, so really your still winning even if you lose and you still have the ability to create your group or raid and zone in as a team if you only want the best of the best then fill your group or raid before you zone into the hub.</p><p>ok now you can flame thanks for listening...</p><p>-Avianna</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">edit-OOPS! Sorry for the double post computer glitch Moderator PLEASE DELETE ONE OF THESE!</span></p>

Avianna
03-27-2010, 11:29 PM
<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>We talked about this idea early on in battlegrounds development but our thoughts were that you'd want to stay connected with your existing guild and friends as much as possible.  Due to the communication restrictions between the worlds, if the Battlegrounds world were more of a destination, people would seem even more cutoff from the rest of the game.</p><p>However, I'm encouraged by the fact that all of these responses seem positive to the idea and not any negative reactions.  But for this to work, we would have to solve many of the communications issues and do a lot more cleanup on the BG world.</p><p>We are working on ways to improve the zoning times when you move between the worlds so hopefully that will make zoning faster.  We also have plans to try to open up guild chat and some other forms of communication between the worlds but there isn't an ETA on that yet.</p><p>Thanks again for the feedback and ideas.  These threads are always much more productive than the rants!  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Ventrillo For The Win <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> My guild does this and is very effective doesn't matter wether you are in game or not battlegrounds or not or whatever you stay connected if you need to.</p><p>Even if you are not connected to your guild for a while and don't wanna run vent the guild message still says so-and-so has logged out? so no different than logging off or playing toons on mulitple servers. I think the benifits we would recieve would far outweigh the communication factor. and if the communication factor is that important get vent.</p>

Sigtyr
03-27-2010, 11:35 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So I think it should still be random groups or groups that were already made when you zoned into the hub as a group or raid. It means you MIGHT get screwed and have homer simpson on your team but look at it like this....</p><p>Your Armor doesn't degrade, you get a token for losing, you get some AA for losing, so really your still winning even if you lose and you still have the ability to create your group or raid and zone in as a team if you only want the best of the best then fill your group or raid before you zone into the hub.</p><p>ok now you can flame thanks for listening...</p><p>-Avianna</p></blockquote><p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00;">You are right of course, but I suffered though the TSO "no you can not get into our instance group, because you do not know the scripts, and you do not have the gear, or the dps, have your mythic, or whatever" and that was perfectly ok then.  </span></p><p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00;">I think I deserve some time feeling "Uber" but there has to be a way for the non comitted player to acess BGs too. There has to be ways for all players to acess all content. A BG hub will work if you do it right, the player made exclusions from TSO MUST never happen again.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #00ff00;">Sincerely</span></p>