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goryf
02-27-2010, 05:38 PM
<p>all through out my BG plays i hear ppl complaining about how PvE players do not already have PvP gear like those from Nag server.  They are owning everyone.  several ppl on mistmoore server have actually said they will never play BG because Nag players ruin the fun.  there is no chance for PvE players against them.  i am posting this as i rezone back to my server and someone just passed off an idea.  what is those from PvP servers have thier own BG or are restricted to none PvP gear when joining PvE players.  For PvE the only PvP gear we can get is lvl 90.  89 and below have no hope.  this is ruining the fun of it and making it hard for me and others to find players enough to go into  a BG with prior knowlegde of who we will be with.  don't know. but something needs to be done so that it apeals to more players. equalt out the playing field at least.</p>

Melodii
02-27-2010, 05:41 PM
<p>Cry more.. all these thrads say the same thing and are answered over and over.. they have crafted BG gear, get some.. its just as good as the lvl 80 stuff from pvp servers. Otherwise we have the same stuff offered as u.</p>

Ahlana
02-27-2010, 05:46 PM
<p><cite>ProjectSmedley wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>For PvE the only PvP gear we can get is lvl 90.  89 and below have no hope. </p></blockquote><p>/sigh There is even a sticky that tells you that you can get MasterCrafted PVP gear that has the same toughness as the Naggy level 80 pvp stuff. Is it as good? No, but better than coming in with PVE gear.</p><p>Me and a group even tried it out and we did pretty well in it. So yes there is gear it is just that so many people are unaware and do not want to read any help, because truly no one wants to admit that they are unprepared.</p>

goryf
02-27-2010, 05:59 PM
<p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ProjectSmedley wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>For PvE the only PvP gear we can get is lvl 90.  89 and below have no hope. </p></blockquote><p>/sigh There is even a sticky that tells you that you can get MasterCrafted PVP gear that has the same toughness as the Naggy level 80 pvp stuff. Is it as good? No, but better than coming in with PVE gear.</p><p>Me and a group even tried it out and we did pretty well in it. So yes there is gear it is just that so many people are unaware and do not want to read any help, because truly no one wants to admit that they are unprepared.</p></blockquote><p>your right. many ppl do not know this fact.  i sure didn't and most ppl that i have talked to also do not know this.  thank you for the advise.  will have to check it out and see the difference.</p>

Ahlana
02-27-2010, 06:05 PM
<p><cite>ProjectSmedley wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ProjectSmedley wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>For PvE the only PvP gear we can get is lvl 90.  89 and below have no hope. </p></blockquote><p>/sigh There is even a sticky that tells you that you can get MasterCrafted PVP gear that has the same toughness as the Naggy level 80 pvp stuff. Is it as good? No, but better than coming in with PVE gear.</p><p>Me and a group even tried it out and we did pretty well in it. So yes there is gear it is just that so many people are unaware and do not want to read any help, because truly no one wants to admit that they are unprepared.</p></blockquote><p>your right. many ppl do not know this fact.  i sure didn't and most ppl that i have talked to also do not know this.  thank you for the advise.  will have to check it out and see the difference.</p></blockquote><p>There are two tiers of it actually one for base line that brings toughness values of that of the RoK PVP Gear. Note that it may not be as DPS intensive as your PVE gear but it is worth it in the BGs. Then there is another set that Armorer can get recipes for from Kerra Island TS Faction line.</p><p>Both sets are a great start to PVPing in the BG.. you should by this time be finding Armorers that have the Kerra Recipes (it will cost more because it uses T9 rares instead of T8 rares like the baseline stuff)</p>

asaron
02-27-2010, 10:08 PM
<p>ohh and ignore anyone with a onyx tag they will just tell ya to qq more  nagafen players dont even respect them  they are our bluebies they hide in caves killing scripted dragons till they form up a full group or raid to pvp</p>

Cabel
02-27-2010, 10:30 PM
<p><cite>ProjectSmedley wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>all through out my BG plays i hear ppl complaining about how PvE players do not already have PvP gear like those from Nag server.  They are owning everyone.  several ppl on mistmoore server have actually said they will never play BG because Nag players ruin the fun.  there is no chance for PvE players against them.  i am posting this as i rezone back to my server and someone just passed off an idea.  what is those from PvP servers have thier own BG or are restricted to none PvP gear when joining PvE players.  For PvE the only PvP gear we can get is lvl 90.  89 and below have no hope.  this is ruining the fun of it and making it hard for me and others to find players enough to go into  a BG with prior knowlegde of who we will be with.  don't know. but something needs to be done so that it apeals to more players. equalt out the playing field at least.</p></blockquote><p>OH come on... I come from Najena server, and am doing ok...  It takes much practice.  It's not just gear, but personal skill.  I know this because I used to be a hardcore PvPer, but have hung up my gear... until now.  ><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I say get out there, get experienced both in game and on a personal tactic level, and stop whining.</p>

Nevain
02-27-2010, 10:59 PM
<p><cite>ProjectSmedley wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>all through out my BG plays i hear ppl complaining about how PvE players do not already have PvP gear like those from Nag server.  They are owning everyone.  several ppl on mistmoore server have actually said they will never play BG because Nag players ruin the fun.  there is no chance for PvE players against them.  i am posting this as i rezone back to my server and someone just passed off an idea.  what is those from PvP servers have thier own BG or are restricted to none PvP gear when joining PvE players.  For PvE the only PvP gear we can get is lvl 90.  89 and below have no hope.  this is ruining the fun of it and making it hard for me and others to find players enough to go into  a BG with prior knowlegde of who we will be with.  don't know. but something needs to be done so that it apeals to more players. equalt out the playing field at least.</p></blockquote><p>Honeslty guys we really need to relax on this stuff.  It's going to be a learning curve, when pve groups start to figure out the pvp mechanics and start using gear setups for pvp things will start to even out.  I personally want the pvp guys in there.</p><p>This arguement has come up a few times and it basicly translates into:  "I'm pvping for the first time and the guys who do this every day and have the gear for it are winning".  Well...yeah, what did you think was going to happen?  It's simple, we have to gear up learn the pvp mechanics and function as a group.  That will take about a month (if that) then the sky will stop falling.</p>

swedago
02-27-2010, 11:14 PM
<p>Wish people would stop whining.  I am not on Nagafen and I enjoy the challange.  I have 2 pieces of the fabled tier9 already and will work my way up.</p>

eqaddictedfool
02-27-2010, 11:35 PM
Hmm well I hail from a pve server and have been doing ok. I certainly dont expect to win every round. see no reason to complain about it though. most of the losses ive seen are due to poor coordination not gear related.

Nayawk
02-27-2010, 11:49 PM
<p>I think alot of you guys are missing the point.</p><p>At least for me, isn't that you lose, I'm fine with losing, it's that if you want to encourage pve guys to get into the battleground, and for battlegrounds to be accessible to all play type then having a guilded pvp guild matched up with a pve pug is going to drive away alot of people who might like battleground if it was a fair fight.</p><p>We were certainly given the impression that Battleground were a fun quick mini game blast that you can play while waiting fo whatever on the actual servers.  This of course isn't the case at the moment.</p><p>Personally I'd say, ok you took the FPS model for the games, go that one step further and take the ranking system as well.  Have no kills then you will be put into a rookie game with other rookies, have 100 kills ok you get a mid rank  instance, and so on. </p><p>This way the only people who aren't having a fun playing a balanced game at there level are those who get a thrill from ganking, and frankly I don't care if those people are having a good time.  </p>

Nevain
02-28-2010, 12:42 AM
<p>Nay I understand what you are saying, but that's never going to happen.  For one thing putting people with no wins or kills together is ok until you kill some people or win a few battlegrounds, then what?</p><p>PVP no matter how you stack it means fighting against other players not dumb npc's.  I've played a lot of games in the past, the gear rush and organised competition is just the nature of the beast, you can't separate them from pvp.  It's the whole point.</p><p>Battlegrounds are not gank fests, they are even matches.  What I mean by that is everyone has the same opportunity to get the same gear, everyone has the same opportunity to use the same tactics.  The gear, techniques and group structures are available to everyone including you. </p><p>Open world pvp can (and usually does) turn into a gank fest but when everyone has the same opportunity and starts with the same number of people then it's fair.</p><p>As far as structured fighting where you can tailor who and what you are fighting, the game already has that.  It's called arena and no one ever uses it.</p>

Notsovilepriest
02-28-2010, 03:50 AM
<p>Well, I love how even a slight advantage going to PvP the blue people cry, but I'm willing to bet if the hand was tilted the other way, You all would be defending your advantages. I mean, Raiding is harder than what it took to get T8 PvP gear without a doubt. Majority of the differences between the PvP and PvE people is the experience with the playstyle. PvP players learned they need different spec's, different gear, what mechanics do paired with other things in PvP (IE, Taunt/SK Clicky + FD). Just give it time, get used to it, and it won't be as bad.</p>

TheSpin
02-28-2010, 03:58 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well, I love how even a slight advantage going to PvP the blue people cry, but I'm willing to bet if the hand was tilted the other way, You all would be defending your advantages. I mean, Raiding is harder than what it took to get T8 PvP gear without a doubt. Majority of the differences between the PvP and PvE people is the experience with the playstyle. PvP players learned they need different spec's, different gear, what mechanics do paired with other things in PvP (IE, Taunt/SK Clicky + FD). Just give it time, get used to it, and it won't be as bad.</p></blockquote><p>A lot of us aren't crying. I like the challenge and I know I can gear up over time to really compete with you guys on terms of gear.  I do have a full set of the BG armor and I do alright in the BGs.  My surviveability is ok against single targets, though sometimes I can't believe how difficult some players are to kill.  Maybe I'm not debuffing them enough, or maybe I'm not seeing the healer around the bend, but overall the fun outweighs the problems.  I welcome the chance to pvp against real pvpers to be honest.  It would be lame if the pve servers were seperated from pvp in the BGs.</p>

Notsovilepriest
02-28-2010, 04:01 AM
<p><cite>TheSpin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well, I love how even a slight advantage going to PvP the blue people cry, but I'm willing to bet if the hand was tilted the other way, You all would be defending your advantages. I mean, Raiding is harder than what it took to get T8 PvP gear without a doubt. Majority of the differences between the PvP and PvE people is the experience with the playstyle. PvP players learned they need different spec's, different gear, what mechanics do paired with other things in PvP (IE, Taunt/SK Clicky + FD). Just give it time, get used to it, and it won't be as bad.</p></blockquote><p>A lot of us aren't crying. I like the challenge and I know I can gear up over time to really compete with you guys on terms of gear.  I do have a full set of the BG armor and I do alright in the BGs.  My surviveability is ok against single targets, though sometimes I can't believe how difficult some players are to kill.  Maybe I'm not debuffing them enough, or maybe I'm not seeing the healer around the bend, but overall the fun outweighs the problems.  I welcome the chance to pvp against real pvpers to be honest.  It would be lame if the pve servers were seperated from pvp in the BGs.</p></blockquote><p>Wasn't aimed at everyone, but lots are complaining and asking for Nagafen primarily and to a lesser extent Vox be issolated from PvE servers on battlegrounds.</p>

swedago
02-28-2010, 04:14 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TheSpin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well, I love how even a slight advantage going to PvP the blue people cry, but I'm willing to bet if the hand was tilted the other way, You all would be defending your advantages. I mean, Raiding is harder than what it took to get T8 PvP gear without a doubt. Majority of the differences between the PvP and PvE people is the experience with the playstyle. PvP players learned they need different spec's, different gear, what mechanics do paired with other things in PvP (IE, Taunt/SK Clicky + FD). Just give it time, get used to it, and it won't be as bad.</p></blockquote><p>A lot of us aren't crying. I like the challenge and I know I can gear up over time to really compete with you guys on terms of gear.  I do have a full set of the BG armor and I do alright in the BGs.  My surviveability is ok against single targets, though sometimes I can't believe how difficult some players are to kill.  Maybe I'm not debuffing them enough, or maybe I'm not seeing the healer around the bend, but overall the fun outweighs the problems.  I welcome the chance to pvp against real pvpers to be honest.  It would be lame if the pve servers were seperated from pvp in the BGs.</p></blockquote><p>Wasn't aimed at everyone, but lots are complaining and asking for Nagafen primarily and to a lesser extent Vox be issolated from PvE servers on battlegrounds.</p></blockquote><p>I opened Nagafen and actually lead a guild called Talisman (2006-07) on Freeport side until Exile came out and I did not agree with it as a faction and I went back to PvE.  I left shortly after EoF.</p><p>In defense for those that think that PvP gear is the great advantage it is not.  It is the playstyle and part paranoia that helps over all.  PvP players that go to PvE servers will most likely pay more attention to encounters than those that never PvP'd before.</p><p>I hear what many of you are saying, but for once I am in agreement with someone from neo-nagafen.  If you focus on pvp spec'd for your toons then you will do much better.  Get an AA mirror and set one side when you go to BG.</p><p>After a few hundred deaths you will get the hang of it.  Relax, and have fun.  It is okay to lose,,  Everyone does.</p>

Ravaan
02-28-2010, 05:59 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TheSpin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well, I love how even a slight advantage going to PvP the blue people cry, but I'm willing to bet if the hand was tilted the other way, You all would be defending your advantages. I mean, Raiding is harder than what it took to get T8 PvP gear without a doubt. Majority of the differences between the PvP and PvE people is the experience with the playstyle. PvP players learned they need different spec's, different gear, what mechanics do paired with other things in PvP (IE, Taunt/SK Clicky + FD). Just give it time, get used to it, and it won't be as bad.</p></blockquote><p>A lot of us aren't crying. I like the challenge and I know I can gear up over time to really compete with you guys on terms of gear.  I do have a full set of the BG armor and I do alright in the BGs.  My surviveability is ok against single targets, though sometimes I can't believe how difficult some players are to kill.  Maybe I'm not debuffing them enough, or maybe I'm not seeing the healer around the bend, but overall the fun outweighs the problems.  I welcome the chance to pvp against real pvpers to be honest.  It would be lame if the pve servers were seperated from pvp in the BGs.</p></blockquote><p>Wasn't aimed at everyone, but lots are complaining and asking for Nagafen primarily and to a lesser extent Vox be issolated from PvE servers on battlegrounds.</p></blockquote><p>and you should be, either that or you should have to buy the same sh*tty PVP gear us "bluebies" do. sorry but if you think for a second your "skill" has more to do with winning in these BGs than your gear either</p><p>1) you're an idiot2) you're blind3) you know its your gear but you are going to say its anything else because you don't want to lose the advantage.</p><p>most likely its option 3. i've been around too many PVP games to know that whats goin on in the BGs isn't "more skilled players" its you're gear.</p>

Undorett
02-28-2010, 06:14 AM
<p>all that is needed to win is some organiziation...</p><p>Our guk based guild sent a group (guard, warlock, dirge, troub, warden, templar) in and completely trashed (38 kills to their 7 kills) a Vox guild (dirge, pally, warden, inq, brig, swash - all in the same guild).  It was the first time any of us besides the warlock had done any pvp outside of duels.</p>

Muraazi
02-28-2010, 06:27 AM
<p><cite>Nayawk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think alot of you guys are missing the point.</p><p>At least for me, isn't that you lose, I'm fine with losing, it's that if you want to encourage pve guys to get into the battleground, and for battlegrounds to be accessible to all play type then having a guilded pvp guild matched up with a pve pug is going to drive away alot of people who might like battleground if it was a fair fight.</p><p>We were certainly given the impression that Battleground were a fun quick mini game blast that you can play while waiting fo whatever on the actual servers.  This of course isn't the case at the moment.</p><p>Personally I'd say, ok you took the FPS model for the games, go that one step further and take the ranking system as well.  Have no kills then you will be put into a rookie game with other rookies, have 100 kills ok you get a mid rank  instance, and so on. </p><p>This way the only people who aren't having a fun playing a balanced game at there level are those who get a thrill from ganking, and frankly I don't care if those people are having a good time.  </p></blockquote><p>I understand your frustration, and honestly would probably be frustrated too. Imo, part of the problem is not only gear, but that these geared people are forming a premade group and que'ing. I know thats what I do most of the time. But, I do not want BGs to fail by pushing away people because they get obliterated....</p><p>My suggestion, don't allowing que'ing as a group for about a month or so. Not permenantly, just for alittle while. This will allow pvpers and pvers to be grouped together more, and not allow people that are used to grouping with each other to steamroll any opposition.</p><p>I am not saying take out premade groups, just saying postpone that feature for alittle until some pvers get used to this stuff. Alot of people will say screw that, or they can tough it out, which they can actually. However not everyone is as determined as pvpers. They will just give up, and that will make the BG que's take longer. If BG que's take longer, people will stop que'ing, and down the spiral goes.</p>

Muraazi
02-28-2010, 06:30 AM
<p><cite>Undorett wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>all that is needed to win is some organiziation...</p><p>Our guk based guild sent a group (guard, warlock, dirge, troub, warden, templar) in and completely trashed (38 kills to their 7 kills) a Vox guild (dirge, pally, warden, inq, brig, swash - all in the same guild).  It was the first time any of us besides the warlock had done any pvp outside of duels.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, but..... You had a warlock. Give that other team one, or take yours away and I bet thing might have been alittle different. With the way resists are atm, and how bugged sorcs mitigation is, one warlock can decimate just about anything.</p>

Ahlana
02-28-2010, 08:24 AM
<p><cite>Muraazi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Undorett wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>all that is needed to win is some organiziation...</p><p>Our guk based guild sent a group (guard, warlock, dirge, troub, warden, templar) in and completely trashed (38 kills to their 7 kills) a Vox guild (dirge, pally, warden, inq, brig, swash - all in the same guild).  It was the first time any of us besides the warlock had done any pvp outside of duels.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, but..... You had a warlock. Give that other team one, or take yours away and I bet thing might have been alittle different. With the way resists are atm, and how bugged sorcs mitigation is, one warlock can decimate just about anything.</p></blockquote><p>It was the originization not the warlock.. Please I fought 3 BGs back to back and there was a warlock each time and we won hands down. The last group gave up completely.. the whole freaking group wouldn't come down. Was sad they even had some PVP healers with them.</p><p>Having a warlock does not make nor break a group. Being prepared and going in with a group instead of a PUG will net you way better results than just making sure you have a warlock.</p>

Ahlana
02-28-2010, 08:30 AM
<p><cite>Ravaan wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TheSpin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well, I love how even a slight advantage going to PvP the blue people cry, but I'm willing to bet if the hand was tilted the other way, You all would be defending your advantages. I mean, Raiding is harder than what it took to get T8 PvP gear without a doubt. Majority of the differences between the PvP and PvE people is the experience with the playstyle. PvP players learned they need different spec's, different gear, what mechanics do paired with other things in PvP (IE, Taunt/SK Clicky + FD). Just give it time, get used to it, and it won't be as bad.</p></blockquote><p>A lot of us aren't crying. I like the challenge and I know I can gear up over time to really compete with you guys on terms of gear.  I do have a full set of the BG armor and I do alright in the BGs.  My surviveability is ok against single targets, though sometimes I can't believe how difficult some players are to kill.  Maybe I'm not debuffing them enough, or maybe I'm not seeing the healer around the bend, but overall the fun outweighs the problems.  I welcome the chance to pvp against real pvpers to be honest.  It would be lame if the pve servers were seperated from pvp in the BGs.</p></blockquote><p>Wasn't aimed at everyone, but lots are complaining and asking for Nagafen primarily and to a lesser extent Vox be issolated from PvE servers on battlegrounds.</p></blockquote><p>and you should be, either that or you should have to buy the same sh*tty PVP gear us "bluebies" do. sorry but if you think for a second your "skill" has more to do with winning in these BGs than your gear either</p><p>1) you're an idiot2) you're blind3) you know its your gear but you are going to say its anything else because you don't want to lose the advantage.</p><p>most likely its option 3. i've been around too many PVP games to know that whats goin on in the BGs isn't "more skilled players" its you're gear.</p></blockquote><p>As I stated elsewhere me and a guild group tried an experiment and used the low level MC PVP gear (the stuff you guys get atm) to see if it was A) Skill (having played PVP longer and know the ins and outs) or B) Gear.</p><p>We lost once in 20 battles and it was to a stacked Naggy group. So it wasn't or 1337 T8 PVP gear since we weren't wearing it anymore.. not even the jewelry. Heck my wife has 1 piece of jewelry and 1 t8 piece of armor as it is. She goes in in the MC stuff almost all the time now lol.</p><p>We have met Bluebies that have more skill than others and sorry it seems that alot of Bluebies don't want to admit that they simply were not prepared for real PVP and are blaming their gear. Where other Bluebies are adapting and learing the basics of PVP and becoming better. You can tell which people on Naggy rely on their gear and they get steamrolled pretty easy.</p><p>Onxy was extremely hard when all they had was Raid gear.. I doubt bluebies would be hurting them if they joined up without it.</p><p>While the gear does help, it really isn't why you are losing.</p>

Nayawk
02-28-2010, 08:32 AM
<p><cite>Muraazi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> However not everyone is as determined as pvpers. They will just give up, and that will make the BG que's take longer. If BG que's take longer, people will stop que'ing, and down the spiral goes.</p></blockquote><p>Thank you for getting what I was trying to say.</p><p>Personally I can just shrug and get off with it.. sure I'll roll my eyes when a guilded naggy team stomps the pve pug and yeah I'll put up with the frequent pvp's who think yelling at a mixed team that they all suck over and over is constructive, but ALOT of pve's won't.</p><p>If the number of games that are pure gank out weigh the handful of games where its a good balance, then people will leave and as more leave even pvp's will notice.</p><p>I don't know if ranking or stopping premade groups or splitting pvp/pve are the answers, but it would be nice to think someone is taking note and at least thinking about this. </p>

yadlajoi
02-28-2010, 08:45 AM
there is a reason why nagafen and vox were isolated from ww channel and such, should stay that way.

Ahlana
02-28-2010, 08:47 AM
<p><cite>yadlajoi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>there is a reason why nagafen and vox were isolated from ww channel and such, should stay that way.</blockquote><p>The reason was so we couldn't communicate with opposing factions :p</p><p>In all honesty in all the BGs I have ever done premade or pug, no one has ever said a single word in chat besides me, and even that was only two sentences.</p><p>"Looks like the gave up huh?" (no response from anyone)and when doing capture the flag I had a PVE ranger watching my back and I said "Thanks for the coverage" to which I recieved no response lol. BGs are oddly silent for me /shrug</p>

Jinoy
02-28-2010, 10:12 AM
<p>Communication makes all the difference. Esp in CTF, you want to know who is defending, if opponents are incoming and what route the flag runner is taking and so much more. All issues that have little to do with gear differences. I have seen very good team work with mezzers communicating who and what they were stopping, locks and rangers covering the exits from high range. There are so many things that can only be learned by playing. Sometimes you fail, sometimes you'll fail humiliatingly. Pick up the pieces, collect your token, evaluate and try again. </p>

Foolsfolly
02-28-2010, 01:09 PM
<p>I've been searching all day every day since BG came out, on Crushbone, one of the most populated servers. Nobody is selling crafted PvP gear. None on the broker, none in chat channels, it just doesn't exist.</p><p>From what I hear it sucks anyway. What they need to do is sell cheaper 5-10 shard gear which then upgrades into the current gear with another 20-40 shards. This would allow people to get some decent toughness without having to lose literally hundreds of games for each piece of armor before they even stand a chance.</p>

Ahlana
02-28-2010, 01:46 PM
<p><cite>Foolsfolly wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've been searching all day every day since BG came out, on Crushbone, one of the most populated servers. Nobody is selling crafted PvP gear. None on the broker, none in chat channels, it just doesn't exist.</p><p>From what I hear it sucks anyway. What they need to do is sell cheaper 5-10 shard gear which then upgrades into the current gear with another 20-40 shards. This would allow people to get some decent toughness without having to lose literally hundreds of games for each piece of armor before they even stand a chance.</p></blockquote><p>The MC stuff has as much Toughness on it as a full set of T8 Open World PVP Items do. I and others have won in it so it isn't too horrible. But that aside I started another thread asking SOE to consider using the old T8 stuff as a lower cost alternative to the T9 stuff for PVE servers. I don't think it would harm much and could go a long way in raising morale on blue servers.</p>

kcirrot
02-28-2010, 01:47 PM
<p><cite>Foolsfolly wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>From what I hear it sucks anyway. What they need to do is sell cheaper 5-10 shard gear which then upgrades into the current gear with another 20-40 shards. This would allow people to get some decent toughness without having to lose literally hundreds of games for each piece of armor before they even stand a chance.</p></blockquote><p>Personally, I don't think the disadvantages come from gear as much as skill differences and the premade v. PUG issue.  But I agree with this poster.  I was surprised that there was only one tier of PvP gear.  There should be a Legendary Set that costs about 4-5 tokens from two separate games.  Let people get some basic gear that doesn't require searching for the one-two crafters who have the books and are on when you are.</p><p>Seriously, I don't have a problem with Naggy players.  They're better than me, so they should win more.  I'll get better.  But let me buy some darn gear instead of having to search all over my server for someone to make it.  That's BS.  Crafters have dozens of things they can make.  Is is asking too much that they just sell a basic set of gear?</p>

Ace235228
02-28-2010, 02:06 PM
<p><cite>Foolsfolly wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've been searching all day every day since BG came out, on Crushbone, one of the most populated servers. Nobody is selling crafted PvP gear. None on the broker, none in chat channels, it just doesn't exist.</p><p>From what I hear it sucks anyway. What they need to do is sell cheaper 5-10 shard gear which then upgrades into the current gear with another 20-40 shards. This would allow people to get some decent toughness without having to lose literally hundreds of games for each piece of armor before they even stand a chance.</p></blockquote><p>Very few people on CBone even know about the PvP armor. If you ask enough in the crafting channel you might find one or two people. However, I have yet to find someone who can make the t9 gear.</p>

Ahlana
02-28-2010, 02:39 PM
<p><cite>kcirrot wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Seriously, I don't have a problem with Naggy players.  They're better than me, so they should win more.  I'll get better.  But let me buy some darn gear instead of having to search all over my server for someone to make it.  That's BS.  Crafters have dozens of things they can make.  Is is asking too much that they just sell a basic set of gear?</p></blockquote><p>While I agree with a T8 gear option.. it shouldn't be that hard to find an armorer that can make the MC BG stuff. They probably don't k now that they buy the recipe on Mara and it can be made at level 79. You don't even need ally faction for it. So any armorer that was level 80 before can make the armor. Chances are that they are unaware</p>

Druid03
02-28-2010, 03:23 PM
<p>i dont know, sure they have benefits by having some pvp gear but last night i was doing 6v6 BGs with some of my friends who arent even fabled out in regular PVE gear and we owned some guild only groups from Vox and Nagafen....</p>