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The_Cheeseman
11-14-2009, 03:07 AM
<p>I have a few theories regarding this book, which is found in the library of Mistmoore Castle, and the interpretations of the prophecies therein. With the new information gained from TSO and what little we have gleaned from SF releases, I think it prudent to bring them up once again.</p><p>Note that my belief is that many of the events prophecied in this tome reference things that are planned for future expansions, possibly years ahead. It is certain that Sony would have a long-term goal in mind (look at how far EQ1 has come) and probably does not intend to wrap-up "Age's End" anytime soon.</p><p>1. Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Personally, I think this may be referencing Tunare, in that she created the Fay, which may be influencing her allies (meaning the other gods) to return to Norrath and increase their influence by creating new beings to serve their goals. Personally, I think that The Nameless finds this behavior unsatisfactory, and it could be provocation for him to restore his avatar to put these upstart deities back in check.</span></p><p>2. The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Like other have said, I think this is a reference to the Shissar. I expect that they will serve as antagonists in a future expansion, possibly one that sheds more light on the true nature and origin of the Greenmist, and its connection to Cazic-Thule. I also believe that the events of this expansion will somehow involve the remnants of the Combine Empire, possibly refugees from Luclin who escaped the devastation. I am lead to this conclusion because of the presence of the Combine's seal at the 6-o'clock position on the "calendar" discovered in Anashti's prison, and the fact that the last known location of both the Shissar and the Combine was Luclin. This will probably be when we discover what actually caused the destruction of Luclin.</span></p><p>3. Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">I think this is referring to the creatures in The Void, as it has been referred to as a timeless place, which would therefore make beings who fight to exist there "toilers in eternity." As this era is the dusk of time, I think this is propheciing the Void Invasion, and the successes they may yet have in establishing a foothold on Norrath. (Note, I personally think that though the main Void storyline is over, we shall likely have dealings with them from this point forward. Obviously, they're not going to just give-up and fade away.)</span>4. Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Not sure about this one, honestly.</span> <span style="color: #ff0000;">Recent events seem to imply that this is referring to Lucan D'Lere, and a possible elevation to some greater form. Perhaps he manages to achieve apotheosis and become a major antagonist?</span>5. In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">I suspect that this may be referencing the gods of Norrath. They claim to want what is best for the mortal races, yet they invariably cause strife hrough their actions and disputes. Perhaps they are the real antagonists, and Theer will end up as our true ally against them?</span> <span style="color: #ff0000;">It may also be related to Erollisi's death, which I believe has a connection to Ulkoruuk.</span>6. Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Obviously related to the Serillian Horde. They have a symbol present at the 9-o'clock position on the "calendar" in Anashti's prison, and there is evidence (found in the "Stack of Knowledge" in Runneyeye) of a strange religion among beings of the Underfoot that reveres Bolgin Serilis, who they claim was their true creator. Is it possible that there is a religion schism occuring in the Underfoot? If so, is it possible that Brell actually isn't the true creator of all he claims to have fathered? If that is so, how much of the remaining creation mythos is also fabricated? Have the gods mislead us on purpose to further their own goals?</span>7. Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">I believe this refers to Theer himself, who has been divided into separate aspects, which are represented on Norrath as the Swords of Destiny. I believe that the forms of these these artifacts is merely a symbol of Theer as the weapon of The Nameless, and that eventually they will be reunited as one whole being, who will then stand as the avatar of order to combat the forces of chaos that threaten to destroy the world. Of course, I think the gods may very well eb that force of chaos, as I have mentioned above.</span>8. From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">I agree with the sage of Mistmoore that this references Mayong. My theory on Mayong's origin is that he is a survivor of a long-dead race, possibly a race of immortal beings that were once similar to the gods we know today. At some point, his race faced destruction, and I believe this defeat may have been at the hands of the current pantheon. This would explain his hatred of dragonkind (they were the first to invade his homeland) as well as his enmity with Innoruuk (who I believe may have been personally responsible for the downfall of his people, possibly via the curse that is mentioned by the Y'dal clan leaders in Evernight Abbey). I find it interesting that the period of time when Mayong supposedly existed as a deity and travelled to the Plane of Hate happens to coincide with the time when the gods, including Innoruuk, were notably absent from the world. Perhaps he took advantage of his oppressors' absence to perform some recon in their realms, then quickly escaped before they returned and became suspicious?</span>9. The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">I agree that this references Nagafens clutch of prismatic eggs. I also think that it dispells any possibility of the eggs being a major threat to Norrath. This combined with the later prohecy that dragons will not play a significant role in Age's End makes me believe that Nagafen's plans will not come to fruition.</span>10. She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">I believe that this either references Anashti-Sul, being the representative of Theer (who is referred to as the "Forbidden Two" since it is currently divided). It could also refer to some female servant of Theer who has yet to be revealed, but I think it's obvious that Anashti's invasion of Norrath from the Void is what has caused the events that will (probably) end with the revival of Theer to be set into motion.</span>11. Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Probably references the Chelsith Stone, though it is possible that there is some other stone that has not been revealed yet.</span>12. The age of the dragons is waning though they know it not. Seek now your fortune in the affairs of the other mortal races.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">I think this can be taken at face value, and rule-out the involvement of the Claws or Ring of Scale playing a significant role in Age's End. It may also portend their eventual destruction at the hands of a Vengeful Kerafyrm (Note that the symbol of The Awakened is located at the 12-o'clock position on the "calendar" in Anashti's prison, implying that he will probably be an antagonist in a future expansion).</span>13. The Nine shall return and face the end.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Not sure about this one, yet. This symbol is present on the "calendar" in Anashti's prison, though it is inside of the circle, rather than outside of it. Many have attempted to connect that symbol with Tunare, but I think it represents multiple entities, though I do not know what they may be. Obviously, the Sage of Mistmoore believes that he knows the identity of eight of them, though the ninth was still a mystery to him (note, this information was released during EoF, so events occuring after that expansion may have revealed the ninth to him, we don't know). personally, I think this may be referencing some group we either do not know about yet, or have not yet realized the significance of.</span></p>

Wilde_Night
11-14-2009, 03:56 AM
<p>Weren't there 9 Ethernaughts?  Who come back to life briefly at the end of the TSO quest series and assist with Anashti?</p>

Lodrelhai
11-14-2009, 06:47 AM
<p><cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>5. In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">I suspect that this may be referencing the gods of Norrath. They claim to want what is best for the mortal races, yet they invariably cause strife hrough their actions and disputes. Perhaps they are the real antagonists, and Theer will end up as our true ally against them?</span> <span style="color: #ff0000;">It may also be related to Erollisi's death, which I believe has a connection to Ulkoruuk.</span></p></blockquote><p>I've a sneaking suspicion (probably wrong) that this refers to Mayong.  Per the conversation with him upon defeating Trakanon (found <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=418457" target="_blank">here</a>):</p><p>You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "When will me meet again?"</p><p>Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "We'll meet beyond the mirror of destiny.  Until then, keep the stone safe and never let it go."</p><p>The whole thing with Mayong allowing adventurers to keep the Chelsith Stone could qualify as a "guise of harmony" - there's a sembelance of peace and alliance between us and him, but he makes it perfectly clear that our only value to him is that we currently possess the Chelsith Stone.  Mayong being the chaos that walks among us might be more of a stretch.  But the other side of the mirror... well, there's two ways to end up on the other side of something.  Either you move to the other side of it, or it turns its other side to you.</p>

Triasa
11-14-2009, 07:34 AM
<p>I'd like to point out a few things I've noticed...</p><p>(WARNING - possible nonsense ahead!)</p><p>First, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."  In light of what we've recently learned, this seems to be Theer.  Which means he's our <em>ally</em>, not our enemy.  And, being the fool I am for anagrams, I can't help but notice that <strong>Roehn Theer</strong> is an anagram for <strong>Nether Hero</strong>.</p><p>And I think the OP is right - the gods are what will bring about the end.  Theer is attempting his return - and from the Theer lore posted on eq2players, we know that he's been thwarted in a previous attempt to return to Norrath.  This is a really far out theory, but...  what if the Nexus is Theer's mechanism to escape?  He tried to escape using the Nexus on Luclin, and BAM! - the gods destroyed it.  Now the Erudites are attempting to recreate (or have recreated) the Nexus - and various "champions" of the gods are coming through the rifts and trying to stop us from helping them.</p><p>And to go out further on a limb, I'd wager that the OP is on the right track about Mayong's origin.  He's a survivor of one of the previous species of Norrath, and I'll bet the previous gods were "replaced."  After all, he was supposedly present to witness Veeshan deposit her brood, predating the current gods.  If in fact the previous gods were slain by Theer (or another agent of the Nameless), the destruction could have been catastrophic - we've seen what happens when the gods simply "withdraw" from Norrath (i.e. the Rending), imagine if they were all slain.  Mayong would be intent on preventing that from ever happening again, thus his interest in the Theer prophecy. </p><p>I know, very thin, but the theory seems *possibly* plausible to me. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Garnaf
11-14-2009, 02:09 PM
<p><cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have a few theories regarding this book, which is found in the library of Mistmoore Castle, and the interpretations of the prophecies therein. With the new information gained from TSO and what little we have gleaned from SF releases, I think it prudent to bring them up once again.</p><p>Note that my belief is that many of the events prophecied in this tome reference things that are planned for future expansions, possibly years ahead. It is certain that Sony would have a long-term goal in mind (look at how far EQ1 has come) and probably does not intend to wrap-up "Age's End" anytime soon.</p><p>1. Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Personally, I think this may be referencing Tunare, in that she created the Fay, which may be influencing her allies (meaning the other gods) to return to Norrath and increase their influence by creating new beings to serve their goals. Personally, I think that The Nameless finds this behavior unsatisfactory, and it could be provocation for him to restore his avatar to put these upstart deities back in check.</span></p><p>5. In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">I suspect that this may be referencing the gods of Norrath. They claim to want what is best for the mortal races, yet they invariably cause strife hrough their actions and disputes. Perhaps they are the real antagonists, and Theer will end up as our true ally against them?</span> <span style="color: #ff0000;">It may also be related to Erollisi's death, which I believe has a connection to Ulkoruuk.</span></p><p>13. The Nine shall return and face the end.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Not sure about this one, yet. This symbol is present on the "calendar" in Anashti's prison, though it is inside of the circle, rather than outside of it. Many have attempted to connect that symbol with Tunare, but I think it represents multiple entities, though I do not know what they may be. Obviously, the Sage of Mistmoore believes that he knows the identity of eight of them, though the ninth was still a mystery to him (note, this information was released during EoF, so events occuring after that expansion may have revealed the ninth to him, we don't know). personally, I think this may be referencing some group we either do not know about yet, or have not yet realized the significance of.</span></p></blockquote><p>1. While Tunare works well, remember that Anashti Sul is "The Undying", Former Goddess of Life, now Goddess of Undeath.  She fits as well as Tunare does.</p><p>5. A void posessed creature can also be counted as "in the guise of harmony" and fit this prophecy equally well (if not better).  Also Rikantus Everling (or Kantus Mor'Tael in Maj'Dul, same guy) could be the Chaos in the Guise of Harmony, being a servant of Theer.</p><p>13.  The Ethernauts, that is all. (Bayle, Asharae, Elyee, Fiddlewiz, Illisia, Ironstein, Nurgg, Skullcleaver, Twiddy.  That's 9.)  Roadyle being a "false" Ethernaut (Mirgaul the Master)</p>

The_Cheeseman
11-14-2009, 03:10 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>1. While Tunare works well, remember that Anashti Sul is "The Undying", Former Goddess of Life, now Goddess of Undeath.  She fits as well as Tunare does.</p><p>5. A void posessed creature can also be counted as "in the guise of harmony" and fit this prophecy equally well (if not better).  Also Rikantus Everling (or Kantus Mor'Tael in Maj'Dul, same guy) could be the Chaos in the Guise of Harmony, being a servant of Theer.</p><p>13.  The Ethernauts, that is all. (Bayle, Asharae, Elyee, Fiddlewiz, Illisia, Ironstein, Nurgg, Skullcleaver, Twiddy.  That's 9.)  Roadyle being a "false" Ethernaut (Mirgaul the Master)</p></blockquote><p>1. I guess Anashti-Sul could also work, in that her allies, the void beings, are giving rise to the idea of "life anew" or a continued existence outside of the void.</p><p>5. I don't think Rikantus Everling is important enough to have an entire prophecy about him. He is merely a pawn, a mortal who was twisted by the power of the idol and changed in much the same was Theer itself was (split into multiple similar entities). Plus, I personally don't think that the "chaos" that will cause the Age's End is directly related to the Void. They're just another faction of mortals that exist in the multiverse. They do not wish to destroy the world, they only desire to harvest the power of our realm to maintain their own existence. Sure, they would have killed US, but not the universe as a whole.</p><p>13. The Ethernaughts aren't important in the grand scheme of things. Their story began and ended with Anashti-Sul's void invasion, which has obviously not caused Age's End. Sure, it started us along the path by giving Theer a means to return from the Void, but the Ethernaughts themselves really didn't do anything worthy of mention in the overall plotline of Age's End. Plus, why would there be a mystery regarding the ninth member of the Ethernaughts?</p><p>EDIT: Not to mention there were 10 Ethernaughts. Just because Roadyle was lying about his true identity doesn't mean he doesn't count. He was still with them throughout their adventures. Would you claim that Gandalf doesn't count as a member of the Fellowship of the Ring, just because he's a Maiar and not technically a native of Middle Earth?</p>

Meirril
11-14-2009, 11:07 PM
<p><cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>1. While Tunare works well, remember that Anashti Sul is "The Undying", Former Goddess of Life, now Goddess of Undeath.  She fits as well as Tunare does.</p><p>5. A void posessed creature can also be counted as "in the guise of harmony" and fit this prophecy equally well (if not better).  Also Rikantus Everling (or Kantus Mor'Tael in Maj'Dul, same guy) could be the Chaos in the Guise of Harmony, being a servant of Theer.</p><p>13.  The Ethernauts, that is all. (Bayle, Asharae, Elyee, Fiddlewiz, Illisia, Ironstein, Nurgg, Skullcleaver, Twiddy.  That's 9.)  Roadyle being a "false" Ethernaut (Mirgaul the Master)</p></blockquote><p>1. I guess Anashti-Sul could also work, in that her allies, the void beings, are giving rise to the idea of "life anew" or a continued existence outside of the void.</p><p>5. I don't think Rikantus Everling is important enough to have an entire prophecy about him. He is merely a pawn, a mortal who was twisted by the power of the idol and changed in much the same was Theer itself was (split into multiple similar entities). Plus, I personally don't think that the "chaos" that will cause the Age's End is directly related to the Void. They're just another faction of mortals that exist in the multiverse. They do not wish to destroy the world, they only desire to harvest the power of our realm to maintain their own existence. Sure, they would have killed US, but not the universe as a whole.</p><p>13. The Ethernaughts aren't important in the grand scheme of things. Their story began and ended with Anashti-Sul's void invasion, which has obviously not caused Age's End. Sure, it started us along the path by giving Theer a means to return from the Void, but the Ethernaughts themselves really didn't do anything worthy of mention in the overall plotline of Age's End. Plus, why would there be a mystery regarding the ninth member of the Ethernaughts?</p><p>EDIT: Not to mention there were 10 Ethernaughts. Just because Roadyle was lying about his true identity doesn't mean he doesn't count. He was still with them throughout their adventures. Would you claim that Gandalf doesn't count as a member of the Fellowship of the Ring, just because he's a Maiar and not technically a native of Middle Earth?</p></blockquote><p>1. Also undeath counts as "life anew" and is often refered to that way by the undead under Anashti's influence.</p><p>5. Ages End doesn't refer to the end of the universe, it refers to the end of Norrath. If the void creatures succeed in doing to Norrath what was done to the other recorded void anchors, it will cause the desruction of the planet itself! Actually, just planting the void anchors here starts the process...</p><p>13. You mean other than prevent Age's End from happening 2 epoc's ago? They were the Age of Blood's greatest unsung heros, just like we are the Age of Cataclyism's greatest unsung heros. Yeah, the Ethernaughts are us before EQ1 started. Also they are around to play their part in advancing the calander. They may yet pop up again in the storyline. Either in person, or through events they set in motion. And Roadyle not counting makes sense when you realize he abandoned the Ethernaughts to their fight against the void.</p>

Meirril
11-14-2009, 11:27 PM
<p><cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>2. The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Like other have said, I think this is a reference to the Shissar. I expect that they will serve as antagonists in a future expansion, possibly one that sheds more light on the true nature and origin of the Greenmist, and its connection to Cazic-Thule. I also believe that the events of this expansion will somehow involve the remnants of the Combine Empire, possibly refugees from Luclin who escaped the devastation. I am lead to this conclusion because of the presence of the Combine's seal at the 6-o'clock position on the "calendar" discovered in Anashti's prison, and the fact that the last known location of both the Shissar and the Combine was Luclin. This will probably be when we discover what actually caused the destruction of Luclin.</span></p><p>3. Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">I think this is referring to the creatures in The Void, as it has been referred to as a timeless place, which would therefore make beings who fight to exist there "toilers in eternity." As this era is the dusk of time, I think this is propheciing the Void Invasion, and the successes they may yet have in establishing a foothold on Norrath. (Note, I personally think that though the main Void storyline is over, we shall likely have dealings with them from this point forward. Obviously, they're not going to just give-up and fade away.)</span>4. Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Not sure about this one, honestly.</span> <span style="color: #ff0000;">Recent events seem to imply that this is referring to Lucan D'Lere, and a possible elevation to some greater form. Perhaps he manages to achieve apotheosis and become a major antagonist?</span>5. In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">I suspect that this may be referencing the gods of Norrath. They claim to want what is best for the mortal races, yet they invariably cause strife hrough their actions and disputes. Perhaps they are the real antagonists, and Theer will end up as our true ally against them?</span> <span style="color: #ff0000;">It may also be related to Erollisi's death, which I believe has a connection to Ulkoruuk.</span>6. Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Obviously related to the Serillian Horde. They have a symbol present at the 9-o'clock position on the "calendar" in Anashti's prison, and there is evidence (found in the "Stack of Knowledge" in Runneyeye) of a strange religion among beings of the Underfoot that reveres Bolgin Serilis, who they claim was their true creator. Is it possible that there is a religion schism occuring in the Underfoot? If so, is it possible that Brell actually isn't the true creator of all he claims to have fathered? If that is so, how much of the remaining creation mythos is also fabricated? Have the gods mislead us on purpose to further their own goals?</span>7. Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">I believe this refers to Theer himself, who has been divided into separate aspects, which are represented on Norrath as the Swords of Destiny. I believe that the forms of these these artifacts is merely a symbol of Theer as the weapon of The Nameless, and that eventually they will be reunited as one whole being, who will then stand as the avatar of order to combat the forces of chaos that threaten to destroy the world. Of course, I think the gods may very well eb that force of chaos, as I have mentioned above.</span></p></blockquote><p>2. Also possibly a refrence to Veeshan. I do find the Shissar to be an interesting thought though.</p><p>3. Technically timelessness places you outside of eternity. If you wanted to really take it litterally, your more likely talking about Ethernere. The real Ethernere, not the Dragon Necropolos nor the Void. Personally, I'm thinking more of the Dwarves. Its possible they found Brell's Vault somewhere near the old entrace to the Plane of Time. Also possibly any of the underfoot races, though which riches they find is yet to be seen.</p><p>4. While this most likely refers to Sir Lucan, it could also be a refrence to Mayong. He has always been a commander and a manipulator. It could also be a refrence to Rile Sithar, who is starting to position himself to make an attempt at taking over the Sitharian Empire.</p><p>5. Yes, this could have a lot to do with Erollisi's death. I really don't want that to be it, but several things are happening that could support this theory. The agents of the void also are a strong possability. Also lets not forget about Mayong. He is acting like he is positioning himself to become the savior of Norrath, but he always acts for his own benift. I think he's trying for more than meer self preservation. Maybe he wants to wipe out the current pathenon so he can replace them all as the only diety?</p><p>6. Probably a reference to the Roeklik or Ratonga that worship their other (false) diety.</p><p>7. Probably just a reference to the swords themselves, which are more than likely seperate entities from Theer himself.</p>

Lodrelhai
11-15-2009, 06:32 PM
<p><cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>5. I don't think Rikantus Everling is important enough to have an entire prophecy about him. He is merely a pawn, a mortal who was twisted by the power of the idol and changed in much the same was Theer itself was (split into multiple similar entities). Plus, I personally don't think that the "chaos" that will cause the Age's End is directly related to the Void. They're just another faction of mortals that exist in the multiverse. They do not wish to destroy the world, they only desire to harvest the power of our realm to maintain their own existence. Sure, they would have killed US, but not the universe as a whole.</p></blockquote><p>The first time you made the assertion that Theer himself was split into multiple similar entities, you at least said it was a personal belief.  Here you seem to be stating it as fact, or at least a likely possibility.  Any evidence you can give to support this?  Because from what little I know about Soulfire and the Qeynos Claymore, I just don't see it.</p>

The_Cheeseman
11-16-2009, 03:02 AM
<p>Of course, when speculating on subjects like this, everything should be taken as opinion. Unless one of us is a developer with insider information, we're all just making stuff up. I am merely brainstorming, posing ideas to be considered. I can only state that personally, I don't think that Everling himself will play a major part in the story. I believe that he was a side-character, probably written to add a human element to the story and allow us to see how the power of the void can warp a man and strip his individuality. I think he has served his purpose as a narrative device, and will probably not be a true character in the plot as it unfolds.</p><p>EDIT: To clarify more about the Void, I think that they have had too much development portraying them as victims to be the ultimate antagonists. We know that they are alien and intend to wipe us out, but we also know that they are only doing so because their own existence relies on their parasitic exploitation of worlds outside the void. They are fighting to survive in a hostile environment, and have adapted in the only way they could. Personally, I think that the true "big, bad evil guy" will be whatever entity (or entities) cast them into the Void in the first place. A being so misguided as to condemn an entire species would make an effective villain, indeed. Would you not be motivated to destroy such a creature, if our own races were in danger of suffering a similar fate?</p>

Pyra Shineflame
11-16-2009, 03:23 AM
<p><cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Of course, when speculating on subjects like this, everything should be taken as opinion. Unless one of us is a developer with insider information, we're all just making stuff up. I am merely brainstorming, posing ideas to be considered. I can only state that personally, I don't think that Everling himself will play a major part in the story. I believe that he was a side-character, probably written to add a human element to the story and allow us to see how the power of the void can warp a man and strip his individuality. I think he has served his purpose as a narrative device, and will probably not be a true character in the plot as it unfolds.</p><p>EDIT: To clarify more about the Void, I think that they have had too much development portraying them as victims to be the ultimate antagonists. We know that they are alien and intend to wipe us out, but we also know that they are only doing so because their own existence relies on their parasitic exploitation of worlds outside the void. They are fighting to survive in a hostile environment, and have adapted in the only way they could. Personally, I think that the true "big, bad evil guy" will be whatever entity (or entities) cast them into the Void in the first place. A being so misguided as to condemn an entire species would make an effective villain, indeed. Would you not be motivated to destroy such a creature, if our own races were in danger of suffering a similar fate?</p></blockquote><p>It was fairly obvious that it was brainstorming, but I believe the previous poster was talking about your assertion that Theer was multiple. As far as anyone can tell, there is no evidence either way save for the fact that Theer is talked about in singular form. </p>

The_Cheeseman
11-16-2009, 04:38 AM
<p>Oh, I see what the question was. My reasons for thinking that Theer has been split is based on a few things. First of all, the prophecy above "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time..." implies that something important was divided long ago. The fact that they shall return to stand in united front makes me feel like that which was divided was a being, rather than an object. It could also refer to a race or other group being factionalized, but it seems more "fantastic" to think that it was an actual being that was broken into multiple aspects.</p><p>Secondly, the Qeynos Claymore (Enoxus) and Soulfire (Aeteok) are referred-to as the right and left hands of Theer. They have demonstrated intelligence and the ability to communicate with mortals. Powerful entities have alluded to the fact that they are much more than what they appear, which makes me believe that they are more than just a pair of powerful swords. Finally, it has been stated that the two must not be brought together, for fear of some sort of major event occurring. To me, this hints that the swords are themselves either manifestations or symbols of a powerful entity or pair of entities. Since their have an obvious connection to Theer, I believe they are symbols of Theer itself. The box art from Sentinel's Fate shows the two swords overlaid atop of one another, and they seem to fit together to form a new whole. The same artwork also shows two similar beings, which some folks claim are both Theer based on evidence from the game's art files (this is of course suspect, but I think it makes sense).</p><p>Finally, we have the story of Lord Everling. While studying the Rune of Oblivion (which he thought was the rune of Ethernere) he purchased an idol from Varsoon, the idol of Mor'Tael, which bore the rune of Oblivion. This idol cursed Everling and caused his personality to split into multiple incarnations. We now have at least 3 versions of Everling in the world (Antiquitor Kantus Mor'Tael in Maj'Dul, Rikantus in Antonica, and the version in Nektropos Castle). The idol itself bore a message, "Mor'Tael of Vul, merchant of Oblivion, servant of Theer."</p><p>I have extrapolated from this evidence that Theer was cast into the void not wholly, but after being divided into two halves. These two halves may be in opposition, to keep Theer from being able to bring its full power to bear against another. What better way to keep a superior foe occupied than to make it fight against itself? It's "divide and conquer" on a smaller scale. The two Swords of Destiny represent the "keys" that can unlock Theer's prison and restore it to full strength. Of course, there is a legend that warns against ever allowing the two blades to meet, because whoever banished Theer wouldn't want anybody to get a hold of both keys and possibly learn how to use them to release Theer. The Idol of Mor'Tael could have caused Everling to suffer the same fate as Theer itself, perhaps because he learned too much about the fate of the Nameless' avatar, or a similar piece of forbidden lore (or perhaps it's just a side-effect of owning the idol for too long, who knows).</p><p>Anyway, that is how I came upon my theory that Theer is 'The Two' spoken of in the prophecies, and therefore will actually be restored and stand against 'That which brings the end."</p>

Zykdous
11-16-2009, 12:00 PM
<p><cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">because of the presence of the Combine's seal at the 6-o'clock position on the "calendar" discovered in Anashti's prison, </span></p></blockquote><p>got a picture or link to/of this calendar?</p>

Homeskillet
11-16-2009, 01:19 PM
<p><cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Oh, I see what the question was. My reasons for thinking that Theer has been split is based on a few things. First of all, the prophecy above "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time..." implies that something important was divided long ago. The fact that they shall return to stand in united front makes me feel like that which was divided was a being, rather than an object. It could also refer to a race or other group being factionalized, but it seems more "fantastic" to think that it was an actual being that was broken into multiple aspects.</p><p>Secondly, the Qeynos Claymore (Enoxus) and Soulfire (Aeteok) are referred-to as the right and left hands of Theer. They have demonstrated intelligence and the ability to communicate with mortals. Powerful entities have alluded to the fact that they are much more than what they appear, which makes me believe that they are more than just a pair of powerful swords. Finally, it has been stated that the two must not be brought together, for fear of some sort of major event occurring. To me, this hints that the swords are themselves either manifestations or symbols of a powerful entity or pair of entities. Since their have an obvious connection to Theer, I believe they are symbols of Theer itself. The box art from Sentinel's Fate shows the two swords overlaid atop of one another, and they seem to fit together to form a new whole. The same artwork also shows two similar beings, which some folks claim are both Theer based on evidence from the game's art files (this is of course suspect, but I think it makes sense).</p><p>Finally, we have the story of Lord Everling. While studying the Rune of Oblivion (which he thought was the rune of Ethernere) he purchased an idol from Varsoon, the idol of Mor'Tael, which bore the rune of Oblivion. This idol cursed Everling and caused his personality to split into multiple incarnations. We now have at least 3 versions of Everling in the world (Antiquitor Kantus Mor'Tael in Maj'Dul, Rikantus in Antonica, and the version in Nektropos Castle). The idol itself bore a message, "Mor'Tael of Vul, merchant of Oblivion, servant of Theer."</p><p>I have extrapolated from this evidence that Theer was cast into the void not wholly, but after being divided into two halves. These two halves may be in opposition, to keep Theer from being able to bring its full power to bear against another. What better way to keep a superior foe occupied than to make it fight against itself? It's "divide and conquer" on a smaller scale. The two Swords of Destiny represent the "keys" that can unlock Theer's prison and restore it to full strength. Of course, there is a legend that warns against ever allowing the two blades to meet, because whoever banished Theer wouldn't want anybody to get a hold of both keys and possibly learn how to use them to release Theer. The Idol of Mor'Tael could have caused Everling to suffer the same fate as Theer itself, perhaps because he learned too much about the fate of the Nameless' avatar, or a similar piece of forbidden lore (or perhaps it's just a side-effect of owning the idol for too long, who knows).</p><p>Anyway, that is how I came upon my theory that Theer is 'The Two' spoken of in the prophecies, and therefore will actually be restored and stand against 'That which brings the end."</p></blockquote><p>You are probably cotrrect, to a point. There are two aspects of Theer, his two aspects are on the cover of the SF box. Likely though, the Claymore and Soulfire must be brought together against him.</p>

Lodrelhai
11-16-2009, 06:30 PM
<p><cite>Zykdous wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">because of the presence of the Combine's seal at the 6-o'clock position on the "calendar" discovered in Anashti's prison, </span></p></blockquote><p>got a picture or link to/of this calendar?</p></blockquote><p>This at least I know where to find:</p><p><cite>betatester7 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><a href="http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g16/pasaguero/temp/?action=view&current=11.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g16/pasaguero/temp/11.jpg" border="0" /></a></p></blockquote><p>OP of <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?&topic_id=453761" target="_blank">this</a> thread actually made a video of the Anashti Sul's prison chamber when you touch Soulfire and the Qeynos Claymore to the two statues - Maidens of Theer have been found, it seems.  Second page betatester7 took lots of screenshots and posted them for discussion.</p>

Vaedaer
11-16-2009, 07:44 PM
<p>"13. The Nine shall return and face the end."</p><p>Mebbe, Firiona Vie and her 8 companions shown on the earlier eq1 expansion boxarts? =o</p><p>/shrug they are 9 and they can die too! lol that way it wouldn't affect eq1 decition about firiona because it would be on the second timeline dealy =p</p><p>Oooor it can be the ethernauts as everyone else said (I am not falling asleep I swear, and I always forget the gnome ~)</p>