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Larcenci
10-21-2009, 07:52 PM
<p>According to lore, why exactly is Lenya Thex a raid target?  I'm just trying to understand because if I am correct, she's the queen of New Tunaria, right?</p>

Rainmare
10-21-2009, 08:16 PM
<p>She is the Queen of New Tunaria. However, over the course fo about 500 years, Mayong set her up, isolated her, seduced her, and she has been infected with Vampirism. We face her in the Throne Room, mostly to subdue her. once we defeat her, and essentially knock her out, Mayong indeed shows up, and has her spirited away and faces us himself with a horde of vampiric minions.</p><p>We are there because anyone with any time in New Tunaria can see the influence of MAyong in the city as vampires walk it at night feeding on the Renda'Dal or kidnapping them to be turned into Myr'dal.</p>

Larcenci
10-21-2009, 08:39 PM
<p>O, I wasn't aware of that.  I'm not even level 20 yet, so I haven't spent any time in the EoF area.  So she is permanently killed? She doesn't come back normal or anything?</p>

Rezikai
10-21-2009, 09:25 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>O, I wasn't aware of that.  I'm not even level 20 yet, so I haven't spent any time in the EoF area.  So she is permanently killed? She doesn't come back normal or anything?</p></blockquote><p>Aye she comes back, the Throne room raid encounter was put in 2-3 years ago, but when adventurers delve deep into Mayongs private chambers in the Evernight Abbey you learn Lenya's brother Prince Marcus was down there to save his sister but was captured and his blood was infused with the 5 libant vampire clan leaders turning him into a vampire to... as you speak to him he asks you to forge on ahead deeper into the second section of the citadel, Mistmyr Manor, to find his sister.</p><p>When you battle through Mistmyr Manor slaughtering Libant vampires and ghosts of old Y'Dal dark elves alike you come across all sorts of things, Mayongs den, his personal armor collection, his personal coffin (different from the one in MMIS) and eventually into Xanne's bedroom, where Queen Lenya rests in the bed asleep. After you defeat her 2 guards she wakes, and you speak to her, she tells you she was locked in a tower in New Tunaria by the Koad`Dal elders as they took control of the city, and Mayong visited her in the form of a High Elf advisor, comforting her and telling her stories of his lost loves. Eventually he revealed himself to her and she was entranced by him in love with her dark companion. After the battle in the New Tunarian Throne room he brought her to the Manor, and unfortunately her love blinded her good sense and she accepted his dark gift of vampiric llife.</p><p>She is as her brother Marcus is, turned into a vampire and cannot return to New Tunaria, she asks you to go into the citadel and find her fathers crown, the crown of King Tearis Thex somewhere in Ravenscale Repository.</p>

Cusashorn
10-21-2009, 10:16 PM
<p>So is this the end of the Thex line of royalty now? Both of them are now vampires and no longer true high elves.</p>

Rainmare
10-21-2009, 11:48 PM
<p>as far as we know. the steward we give the crown to is supposed to find new royalty to replace the thex line or maybe find a 'missing thex' if there was one. Fironia Vie was technically royalty...maybe her bloodline survived.</p>

Cusashorn
10-22-2009, 01:17 AM
<p>Yeah.. Technically, she is royalty. She's a Half-Sister to Lenya... but I hope that they don't go so far as to use EQlive's mascot as a major storyline for this game.</p>

Meirril
10-22-2009, 05:42 AM
<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah.. Technically, she is royalty. She's a Half-Sister to Lenya... but I hope that they don't go so far as to use EQlive's mascot as a major storyline for this game.</p></blockquote><p>She's from the mother's bloodline, not King Thex's blood related daughter at all. That wouldn't count in any court in the real world, and I don't think it would count for the Ren'dal either. Honestly, Antonia would have just as strong a claim as any child of Fironia Vie. </p><p>Unless New Tunaria undergoes a re-write I wouldn't expect a new royal line to be installed.</p>

Cusashorn
10-22-2009, 08:39 AM
<p>Doesn't that still make her a half-sister to Lenya if they share the same mother?</p><p>Anyways, I'm thinking that we probably wont get a final resolution for New Tunaria in general at this point.</p>

Aneova
10-22-2009, 11:17 AM
<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah.. Technically, she is royalty. She's a Half-Sister to Lenya... but I hope that they don't go so far as to use EQlive's mascot as a major storyline for this game.</p></blockquote><p>She's from the mother's bloodline, not King Thex's blood related daughter at all. That wouldn't count in any court in the real world, and I don't think it would count for the Ren'dal either. Honestly, Antonia would have just as strong a claim as any child of Fironia Vie. </p><p>Unless New Tunaria undergoes a re-write I wouldn't expect a new royal line to be installed.</p></blockquote><p>That depends on if they are Matriarchy or a Patriarchy (Yeah i probably made up a new word there but you get my point), If they follow the female line like some cultures then the female's would be the ones that truely matter.</p>

Rainmare
10-22-2009, 10:09 PM
<p>I would think though that they'd sooner try for a member of Fironia's bloodline (provided Fironia Vie herself is deceased) before attempting to establish a new royal line from scratch, so to speak.</p>

Greyquill
10-22-2009, 11:27 PM
<p>Considering how long elves generally live and the nature of their society, it seems like the installation of a new monarch is a relatively rare event for the Dal. Lenya was Queen for how long before all this... 500+ years? Her father before her? All the way back to at least Elizzerain, from who Lenya gained the gift of prophecy. Elizzerain who brought the words of the Ethernauts to Trakkanon. We're talking millennia of unbroken rule here. Making this an even more unprecedented event in the history of the elves.</p><p>I don't hold out much hope of seeing Firiona being involved in any regnal resolution either. That whole "Holy Champion of Tunare" gig she had going on seemed to have gotten in the way of raising children. Assuming she's even still alive, she's still a chosen of her goddess and would more than likely be a little too preoccupied to be an effective Queen. Besides, look at this from her point of view... all Dal are the children of Tunare, and thus her extended family. Effectively making all elves qualified to rule. I can see that rather egalitarian attitude going over real well with the self-styled Renda'Dal.</p><p>Purely speculation, but if they do revisit New Tunaria, I imagine something like a interim ruling council made up of various representatives from the city guilds (paladins, mages, clerics) and whatever remaining nobility that hasn't been infected with vampirism. Then again, Tunarian elves are a little nuts, so it could just easily fall into the hands of an overanxious clergy and become a total theocracy.</p>

Mary the Prophetess
10-23-2009, 12:22 AM
<p>[*gets out large ladle and begins to vigorously stir the pot*]</p><p>Well, just to toss out a (very) wild thought:</p><p>Antonia carries the Bayle royal blood through Antonius Bayle the IV. </p><p>Lady Shae was the  (great?) grandmother of Antonia through Shaonia. </p><p>Lady Shea was a paladin from Felwithe and belonged to the House Dumas (whatever that may be). </p><p>Her faction was with felguard, (which was not actually the Felwithe guards faction.  In fact no one is quite sure which faction felguard is associated with) </p><p>There is no reason whatsoever to suppose that Lady Shea had any association with the royal bloodline of Felwithe; there certainly is no suggestion of it anywhere I can find.</p><p>It is unlikely in the extreme that the Koada 'Dal would ever accept a monarch of mixed blood.</p><p><strong>But:</strong></p><p>Vhalen did make some cryptic references (what references did he ever make that WEREN"T cryptic?) to a secret in Shirrana's past.</p><p>Now wouldn't it be interesting if.........</p><p> Nah, couldn't be.</p><p>  </p>

Rezikai
10-23-2009, 02:41 AM
<p>Hmm well thinking in a different direction the Thexian line of the Teir`Dal would be a true line as well, assuming that it wasn't broken somewhere, which we havent had really any knowledge of others outside of the fallen gate pillars. But seeing as Cristanos was still alive and well from the Age of Turmoil perhaps they are a true bloodline *IF* the line was never broken from the kidnapping of old King and Queen Thex back from the Elddar Elf days.</p>

Cusashorn
10-23-2009, 08:27 AM
<p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hmm well thinking in a different direction the Thexian line of the Teir`Dal would be a true line as well, assuming that it wasn't broken somewhere, which we havent had really any knowledge of others outside of the fallen gate pillars. But seeing as Cristanos was still alive and well from the Age of Turmoil perhaps they are a true bloodline *IF* the line was never broken from the kidnapping of old King and Queen Thex back from the Elddar Elf days.</p></blockquote><p>Proof lays right at the entrance of Fallen Gate that the royal blood line of Neriak has been broken *MANY* times. The current king and/or queen always takes Thex as a name of honor.</p>

Rezikai
10-23-2009, 10:55 AM
<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hmm well thinking in a different direction the Thexian line of the Teir`Dal would be a true line as well, assuming that it wasn't broken somewhere, which we havent had really any knowledge of others outside of the fallen gate pillars. But seeing as Cristanos was still alive and well from the Age of Turmoil perhaps they are a true bloodline *IF* the line was never broken from the kidnapping of old King and Queen Thex back from the Elddar Elf days.</p></blockquote><p>Proof lays right at the entrance of Fallen Gate that the royal blood line of Neriak has been broken *MANY* times. The current king and/or queen always takes Thex as a name of honor.</p></blockquote><p>Yea i know, but eh.. something in the whole situation just doesnt jive. People have said the pillars werent there in eq1, which may or may not be significant since everything in-game for either game may not be represented. But more curious is the fact that these other kings and Queens dont use the last name of Thex. Making their last name the Royal leaderships role, which would be odd if Thex is used as the "honor title" when your appointed King or Queen. I was thinking more along the lines that perhaps the other houses were more powerfull and took control of the crown for a time when the Thex dynasty wasnt in a position to hold control over the throne of Neriak. When the Thex line was a new ruler was then appointed and takes the name Cristanos, an odd possibility i know...</p><p>but something... is gnawing at me that theres a split in the Loyalty somewhere... a divide of Royal rulers, but for reasons i just cant put my finger on yet.</p>

Meirril
10-24-2009, 07:53 AM
<p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hmm well thinking in a different direction the Thexian line of the Teir`Dal would be a true line as well, assuming that it wasn't broken somewhere, which we havent had really any knowledge of others outside of the fallen gate pillars. But seeing as Cristanos was still alive and well from the Age of Turmoil perhaps they are a true bloodline *IF* the line was never broken from the kidnapping of old King and Queen Thex back from the Elddar Elf days.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, if I remember correctly the last Fier'Dal bloodline has nothing to do with the Tier'Dal bloodline. The Fier'Dal once they discovered what had become of their former rulers started a new royal line. So honestly, the two ruling families arn't blood related in the first place.</p>

Meirril
10-24-2009, 07:58 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah.. Technically, she is royalty. She's a Half-Sister to Lenya... but I hope that they don't go so far as to use EQlive's mascot as a major storyline for this game.</p></blockquote><p>She's from the mother's bloodline, not King Thex's blood related daughter at all. That wouldn't count in any court in the real world, and I don't think it would count for the Ren'dal either. Honestly, Antonia would have just as strong a claim as any child of Fironia Vie. </p><p>Unless New Tunaria undergoes a re-write I wouldn't expect a new royal line to be installed.</p></blockquote><p>That depends on if they are Matriarchy or a Patriarchy (Yeah i probably made up a new word there but you get my point), If they follow the female line like some cultures then the female's would be the ones that truely matter.</p></blockquote><p>Considering that Elves generally tend to have low birth rates, I think a bloodline that only follows a male or female heir is entirely impractical for the Fier'Dal, or any elf lineage. Also if the society was based on a Martriarchial bloodline, then the rulers wouldn't shift between Kings and Queens. Either it would always be Queens (most likely), or it would be a Queen until an appropriate King was found to take her place. Evidence suggests that Queens are not disposed by their husbands, so the logical conclusion is that the royal line passes directly from blood heir to blood heir irrispective of gender and that they take a consort who is not considered a ruling family member but their children are.</p>

RaphaNissi
11-04-2009, 12:12 PM
<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Doesn't that still make her a half-sister to Lenya if they share the same mother?</p><p>Anyways, I'm thinking that we probably wont get a final resolution for New Tunaria in general at this point.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, they would be step-sisters if anothing at all.  I'm pretty sure Firiona's mother died before Lenya and Marcus even came into the picture which would make it awful hard for the three of them to have the same mother.  That would mean they don't have any parent incommon.</p><p>There has to be some heir out there somewhere that can take the throne.</p>

Wilde_Night
11-04-2009, 04:07 PM
<p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hmm well thinking in a different direction the Thexian line of the Teir`Dal would be a true line as well, assuming that it wasn't broken somewhere, which we havent had really any knowledge of others outside of the fallen gate pillars. But seeing as Cristanos was still alive and well from the Age of Turmoil perhaps they are a true bloodline *IF* the line was never broken from the kidnapping of old King and Queen Thex back from the Elddar Elf days.</p></blockquote><p>Proof lays right at the entrance of Fallen Gate that the royal blood line of Neriak has been broken *MANY* times. The current king and/or queen always takes Thex as a name of honor.</p></blockquote><p>Yea i know, but eh.. something in the whole situation just doesnt jive. People have said the pillars werent there in eq1, which may or may not be significant since everything in-game for either game may not be represented. But more curious is the fact that these other kings and Queens dont use the last name of Thex. Making their last name the Royal leaderships role, which would be odd if Thex is used as the "honor title" when your appointed King or Queen. I was thinking more along the lines that perhaps the other houses were more powerfull and took control of the crown for a time when the Thex dynasty wasnt in a position to hold control over the throne of Neriak. When the Thex line was a new ruler was then appointed and takes the name Cristanos, an odd possibility i know...</p><p>but something... is gnawing at me that theres a split in the Loyalty somewhere... a divide of Royal rulers, but for reasons i just cant put my finger on yet.</p></blockquote><p>There is speculation that those named regents are not of the city of Neriak, but of the other "undiscovered" cities/provinces of the Underfoot.</p>

Meirril
11-05-2009, 09:11 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hmm well thinking in a different direction the Thexian line of the Teir`Dal would be a true line as well, assuming that it wasn't broken somewhere, which we havent had really any knowledge of others outside of the fallen gate pillars. But seeing as Cristanos was still alive and well from the Age of Turmoil perhaps they are a true bloodline *IF* the line was never broken from the kidnapping of old King and Queen Thex back from the Elddar Elf days.</p></blockquote><p>Proof lays right at the entrance of Fallen Gate that the royal blood line of Neriak has been broken *MANY* times. The current king and/or queen always takes Thex as a name of honor.</p></blockquote><p>Yea i know, but eh.. something in the whole situation just doesnt jive. People have said the pillars werent there in eq1, which may or may not be significant since everything in-game for either game may not be represented. But more curious is the fact that these other kings and Queens dont use the last name of Thex. Making their last name the Royal leaderships role, which would be odd if Thex is used as the "honor title" when your appointed King or Queen. I was thinking more along the lines that perhaps the other houses were more powerfull and took control of the crown for a time when the Thex dynasty wasnt in a position to hold control over the throne of Neriak. When the Thex line was a new ruler was then appointed and takes the name Cristanos, an odd possibility i know...</p><p>but something... is gnawing at me that theres a split in the Loyalty somewhere... a divide of Royal rulers, but for reasons i just cant put my finger on yet.</p></blockquote><p>There is speculation that those named regents are not of the city of Neriak, but of the other "undiscovered" cities/provinces of the Underfoot.</p></blockquote><p>Wouldn't that fly in the face of all known Tier'Dal Lore? Sure, you could have hidden onclaves of Tier'Dal trying to establish new cities in the underfoot. But having them have any official relations with Neriak would break with current Lore, wouldn't it? It would be the equivellent of reintroducing Surefall Glade and pretending it isn't a new development.</p>

Wilde_Night
11-06-2009, 08:32 PM
<p>Neriak is not the only dark elven city.  It is merely the capitol city, many more exist in the vast expanse of the Underfoot.  Neriak is the only one that allows itself to be widely known to those of the surface.</p>

Ambrin
11-06-2009, 10:03 PM
<p>Could someone please explain this "Underfoot" for a lore noob like myself?</p>

Rezikai
11-06-2009, 10:59 PM
<p>The term Underfoot refers to 2 places, the more casual of the two is the huge sub-tunarian shelf underground cavern system. Imagine the cavern system that reach from Antonica to the Commonlands but all underground. And that up through the Age of Turmoil (eq1) was the home to many of the underground races cities/empires. The Dark elves/Dwarves/ .. etc...</p><p>The Dark elves had an empire that up until the Age of Cataclysm had other cities/provinces that spanned huge areas in the Underfoot. But just like that haters they are some of these underfoot provinces tried to take on the throne, such as the tale of <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=187454�" target="_blank">Nyth.</a>  Alot of the underground races are creations of the God of Below, Brell, alot but not all. There's a few different Brells around that are considered Gods/demi-gods that created different underfoot races, so you'll have to look around for who and when.</p><p>The more noteable term for The Underfoot, is the planar realm of the God of Below, Brell. Who holds the mantle of the god of below and custodians the plane of the Underfoot. Where he has commisioned the creation of many underground creatures some that escaped here to Norrath, (the Ratonga) and others still locked away in his plane.</p>