Wardens nice little myth, with unlimited power flowing out... [Archive]

Meirril

10-21-2009, 08:34 AM

<cite>Auxillery@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Title says all, I mean come on cant kill them with that power, and if trying to solo good luck buddy.</blockquote>1) Unless your warden is running in a group, he will run out of power eventually. However, by the time he runs out of power he could probably do enough melee damage to kill 6 of you even if he's never herd of the melee line or melee crit.2) Make the warden panic. Use a stun and make him pop his anti-stun/interrupt ability and then cuss. Hopefully you get lucky and dispell it. Even if you don't just do what you can to survive until it goes down. Walk the plank and stun lock him, you've got about 14 seconds to kill the warden while they are helpless if you time it all correctly. Hopefully you didn't waste your back attacks before this.3) stop whining and think.

Wolfsight

10-21-2009, 09:39 AM

Mental Breach is your friend. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/47941865eb7bbc2a777305b46cc059a2.gif" border="0" />

Enoe

10-21-2009, 10:08 AM

i have no idea how but i run myth/raiding warden out of power - ofc i used all power clickys too. Fight took like 7-8 mins but finally he died.

Wytie

10-21-2009, 10:15 AM

Its almost impossible to run a faction warden OP with some of the pvp items that they have avaliable in a 1v1.But hey its not like you have to stick around and die..... Seems fair in its own way.

TheVekk

10-21-2009, 10:43 AM

it is very possible to run a warden out of power, MB will drain them faster then they can regen it (unless they have a grp). i think its funny thought how people complain about wardens when other preist class are just as hard to kill if not harder lol....yes never running out of power is awsome but do they get a stone skin buff? do they get a immune to everyting for 30 seconds buff? do they get a massive health buff? the list goes on and on. and with the new pvp items out as i said along time ago on the forums ANY preist can eaisly keep there power up now. iv seen a decently geared templar stay up against 8 people and not go below 90% power WITHOUT mana regen gear. so plz before u go saying omg [Removed for Content] warden = broken op, go look at other preist classes lulz

Killque

10-21-2009, 10:52 AM

I am a Dirge, and even after my mythical nerf I was able to take Cricket in a one v one. Most of the time I do die to wardens as they can sneak a few attacks in and slowly work me down but if I have the right gear on (power drain) and make sure I am doing things right, I can be done. Not often but it is possible. Be sure to cure that arcane, its nasty.

Azol

10-21-2009, 11:04 AM

Not all classes have access to MB though... If you want to kill a healer, run him out of health instead if you have problems with running him out of power. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> P.S. Yeah, you do not have to stay close to a priest until he heals you to death.... which does not mean priests should be untouchable in PVP. 2 cp worth.

Siskiyou

10-21-2009, 11:50 AM

I love it when nobody notices me in a fight, I can res, heal, even DPS a little (that DOES eat up power - Warden power regen is based on HEAL crit) Often I am the last one standing because the DPS of the other folks has been more than I can heal through. You want to get a group with a warden down faster? Rangers are my worst enemy, I can't move out of their range without stopping healing (if I can at all) and I can't see where the dumb buggers are to move in beside them or direct folks to them. My second most annoying opponent are those who interrupt, stun or mez (doesn't matter if they kill me - the results end up the same) I have good tools to help with stuns, and happily heal while dotted up. But if they get a stun in, and there are a few classes whose control my measures don't seem to work as well against, things are over quickly.For those Wardens who are realy having a tough time, start your PvP token purchases with those items that keep folks from targetting you and keeping you targetted. Switch to the pvp armor, it's not for raid healing, but it will keep you alive longer than any other gear. (that's why it is called "PvP" armor) It is my understanding that some groups won't even let you play unless you have so much mit - it's built into the PvP armor.I do wish they'd move PvP sales to someplace besides TG... sigh.

Azol

10-21-2009, 02:01 PM

<cite>Siskiyou@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>I do wish they'd move PvP sales to someplace besides TG... sigh.</blockquote>Done, it's in Moors of Ykesha now, enjoy!

raydenwins

10-21-2009, 03:59 PM

<cite>Paill@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Its almost impossible to run a faction warden OP with some of the pvp items that they have avaliable in a 1v1.But hey its not like you have to stick around and die..... Seems fair in its own way.</blockquote>Exactly. As a warden for years, I can solo very well, but only if the opposition wants to die. When a warden engages you, you can probably get on the phone and call a friend to log in and help you kill him before the fight ends. Run if you dont wanna die, I'm used to people bailing on me lol

Siskiyou

10-21-2009, 06:18 PM

<cite>Azol@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Siskiyou@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>I do wish they'd move PvP sales to someplace besides TG... sigh.</blockquote>Done, it's in Moors of Ykesha now, enjoy!</blockquote>Um, old friend, indulge my feeble mind. I know where the armor sales are - but where are the jewelry and such sales that take the new blue tokens?

Zacarus

10-21-2009, 10:34 PM

Any brig complaining about killing a healer should reroll.

Siphar

10-22-2009, 06:13 AM

Wardens die to non-elemental spike damage quite easily after their emergencies and myth clicky are down.Well not so "easily" if they have uber gear.. but that is where you can just gang bang them with more than 1 person..

Darkor

10-22-2009, 06:32 AM

<cite>Zacarus@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Any brig complaining about killing a healer should reroll.</blockquote>You bring a brigand by your choice and i bring a healer by my choice.

Jacquotte

10-22-2009, 06:52 AM

<cite>Zacarus@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Any brig complaining about killing a healer should reroll.</blockquote>if you read the subject of this thread you will see that he is actually complaining that no class should have an unlimited supply of power, being able to spamheal forever and everi can't say i don't agree, i've been arguing this same point ever since the first pictures of warden epics appeared, this being both pve and pvp context, i fail to see the reasons why any class should be able to fight for an eternity

MokiCh

10-22-2009, 06:59 AM

I group on group fights, I can't say that Wardens are too OP. Templars are by far my worst nightmare in group fights. In solo fights... try spiking the Warden out as best you can. If it doesn't work and your temps are down, well you don't have to stick around.

ulleulle

10-22-2009, 08:16 AM

With fear earring,the upgraded runed mobious strip,sandstorm,root,snare,nature walk,dmg shield,high mitt,fast casting,spores,serenity i wont go as far to say that if u cant beat a warden u are teh suck...Also some other guy said it well,the time it takes u to run a good pvp warden OOP is enough time for him to kill you 5 times over.For pure ez mode healing nothing beats a warden,i have seen plenty of warden ownage first hand,and let me tell you that running around using 5 buttons is more often then not enough to kill 95% of all ppl one vs one.Sure other healers are tough as nails aswell but if you push one too many buttons wrong it can mean serious problems,unlike a warden who has super fast casting and superfast reuse timers,it simply dosent matter unless it is against a rocking [Removed for Content] out coercer,rest can go home and cry to mommy after being scholed by a warden using 5 buttons =)Im not whining but it seems to me there is missing something to balance the silly ez mode out.CheersJabib

tullebukk

10-22-2009, 01:22 PM

Oh wait, did I miss something here?So its oki for scouts with mental breach to have unlimted power AND drain ours.. But its not oki for wardens because we cannot be killed in 5 seconds or less with it?Hypocrit much?Wardens have a lot of neat toys, Ill admit that. (But to whoever posted about the warden clicky.. Cant use that one on ourself). But compared to other healers, we arent really that awesome. Templars, Inquisitors, Mystics is way better than wardens in a lot of ways, and have atleast as many toys as we do.Lets see.. Our mythical gives a 50% chance to give 349 - 523 power back on a CRITICAL HEAL. With 100% heal crit, every other heal should give you power back. My main heal costs 299 power, then my single HoT costs 212 power = 511 power. Then ofcourse Tranquility costs 289 and drains additionally 193 every 15 seconds.. and so on and so on.. Its not unlimited at all, its going down. In a group on the other hand, its way different since we can get power back from every person we crit heal.L2mental breach instead of crying for a nerf because you cannot 2shot every class in the game

ulleulle

10-22-2009, 01:25 PM

<cite>Kaily@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh wait, did I miss something here?So its oki for scouts with mental breach to have unlimted power AND drain ours.. But its not oki for wardens because we cannot be killed in 5 seconds or less with it?Hypocrit much?Wardens have a lot of neat toys, Ill admit that. (But to whoever posted about the warden clicky.. Cant use that one on ourself). But compared to other healers, we arent really that awesome. Templars, Inquisitors, Mystics is way better than wardens in a lot of ways, and have atleast as many toys as we do.Lets see.. Our mythical gives a 50% chance to give 349 - 523 power back on a CRITICAL HEAL. With 100% heal crit, every other heal should give you power back. My main heal costs 299 power, then my single HoT costs 212 power = 511 power. Then ofcourse Tranquility costs 289 and drains additionally 193 every 15 seconds.. and so on and so on.. Its not unlimited at all, its going down. In a group on the other hand, its way different since we can get power back from every person we crit heal.L2mental breach instead of crying for a nerf because you cannot 2shot every class in the game</blockquote>Guess you didnt read the point where it said "good PVP warden"Cheersjabib

tullebukk

10-22-2009, 01:29 PM

<cite>ulleulle wrote:</cite><blockquote>rest can go home and cry to mommy after being scholed by a warden using 5 buttons =)CheersJabib</blockquote>This sounds fun, lets do some more counting!Debilitate, Battery and Assault, double up. Thats 3. Ill give you another one since you have to turn autoattack on. So wardens use 5, you use 4 to kill prolly 60% of the server. Dont be upset cause you cannot kill every player and every class, not one class in this game can 100% kill every other person they meet.

ulleulle

10-22-2009, 01:32 PM

<cite>Kaily@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ulleulle wrote:</cite><blockquote>rest can go home and cry to mommy after being scholed by a warden using 5 buttons =)CheersJabib</blockquote>This sounds fun, lets do some more counting!Debilitate, Battery and Assault, double up. Thats 3. Ill give you another one since you have to turn autoattack on. So wardens use 5, you use 4 to kill prolly 60% of the server. Dont be upset cause you cannot kill every player and every class, not one class in this game can 100% kill every other person they meet.</blockquote>Oh im not upset,i have been pvping actively for too long to know what the score is.But thanks for chiming in.CheersjabibAnd for what wardens can do =)Well,lets just say i have rolled with a warden that has killed every single player that is anything gear wise on this server one vs one or even two vs one,heck even all ur exiled buddies have been manhandled by him "exept hymm back when dirge myth was broken"not only that, he has done it many times with me sitting right next to him IRL,but i guess assumption is the mother of all f...ups.

tullebukk

10-22-2009, 01:37 PM

Oh, every single person on this server.. Whos that? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I wanna know since I cant recall ever dying to a warden 1v1..

ulleulle

10-22-2009, 01:38 PM

<cite>Kaily@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh, every single person on this server.. Whos that? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> I wanna know since I cant recall ever dying to a warden 1v1..</blockquote>As much as i would like to know who would win,i simply dont got enough time left in this year to wait for a result =)Cheersjabib

tullebukk

10-22-2009, 01:57 PM

I never said id fight him, I just wanted a name of this warden thats beat every other player on this server 1v1 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Who is he?

Siniro

10-22-2009, 02:08 PM

<cite>ulleulle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh im not upset,i have been pvping actively for too long to know what the score is.But thanks for chiming in.Cheersjabib</blockquote>LOL before you even came to FP no one knew who you were cause you never pvped til you got to fp and started leaching in group pvp.Jabib who? pvp what?and i'd like to repost Jabibs pic irl:<img src="http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1114820/photo_20_hires.jpg" width="461" height="700" />

ulleulle

10-22-2009, 02:13 PM

Name is smadrerdig.No avatar loot.Our last progression mob was mynzak,working on gynok and eventually zarrakon when we get setup for it.Basicly no fancy end raid gear,and to add to inslult he is a complete newb to PC games and gaming in general,its his first and only mmo,his warden was his only lvl 80 for a loooong time,only just recently discovered what a forum is and also ACT.Oh yes and the kicker,he is using a cordless laggy mouse that does a 2 sec lag every min despite the fact i have told him many many times he need to upgrade that piece of BLEEEP.And ofcource he is using his mouse for 99% of what he does.ahh not true,every so often he will throw a heal on 1-4 but thats it,its click click click all the way basicly,I guess i dont have to explain u about hotkeys and reaction time.But still he woops em all =) Imagine if he had ur gear.Cheersjabib

ulleulle

10-22-2009, 02:15 PM

<cite>Siniro@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ulleulle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh im not upset,i have been pvping actively for too long to know what the score is.But thanks for chiming in.Cheersjabib</blockquote>LOL before you even came to FP no one knew who you were cause you never pvped til you got to fp and started leaching in group pvp.Jabib who? pvp what?and i'd like to repost Jabibs pic irl:<img src="http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1114820/photo_20_hires.jpg" width="461" height="700" /></blockquote>HAHAHA/thumbsup on the pic...Well seing that i have been in FRP from the day i created this toon i assume it is safe to say that you dont got ur facts straight.Cheersjabib

tullebukk

10-22-2009, 02:18 PM

I prolly know atleast 10 ppl in Onyx from the top of my head thats never died to Smadrerdig.. But nice try! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Peak

10-22-2009, 02:24 PM

Pretty sure Smadredig died to me on Peak in one of my videos. Then Jabib almost died right after.Sadly my mez on Hashi wore off and he was able to save Jabib.Just saying.

Faenril

10-22-2009, 02:36 PM

I once 1 v 1 Smadredig. After 5 to 10 minutes he finally ran OOM and FJ me to get rid of the second half of my HP bar lolol. No hate though it was a fun fight. So much for the wardens that can kill you 5 times before they run out of mana :p

ulleulle

10-22-2009, 02:41 PM

Uhh.I never said he beat everybody all the time now did i ?I just said he has whooped everybody of u that have the balls to stand up to him in resonable fair surroundings,Sure u got guys who never lost to him but that is becasue theyA.dont pvp that muchB.did it atleast 6 months ago if not more.C.Got luckyCheersJabib

ulleulle

10-22-2009, 02:44 PM

<cite>Naemesis@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I once 1 v 1 Smadredig. After 5 to 10 minutes he finally ran OOM and FJ me to get rid of the second half of my HP bar lolol. No hate though it was a fun fight. So much for the wardens that can kill you 5 times before they run out of mana :p</blockquote>Bullocks.he had all his pwr clickys left,signets etc.The fight was close to 22 min.U kept running away to regen health like a scared girl,eventually he got bored after 22min of mucking around with ur azz and then u got FJ.Nice try m8,but truly pathetic memory u have imo.Cheersjabib

tullebukk

10-22-2009, 02:58 PM

Now, you DID say that.. then you edited your post about 15 times..

ulleulle

10-22-2009, 03:01 PM

<cite>Kaily@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Now, you DID say that.. then you edited your post about 15 times..</blockquote>Atleast 15 times if not more.Infact i did it more like 25 to say the least.CheersJabibFYI I did not edit any part involving the meaning of my post,was edited for spelling and grammar./sigh what a response.....

tullebukk

10-22-2009, 03:23 PM

Thats not true, youve changed the text about the warden several times. But as long as youre happy, everythings good. I DO wanna see Smadrerdig come to the forums saying he has killed every single player that is anything gear wise on this server one vs one, cause thats what you said, right?"Well,lets just say i have rolled with a warden that has killed every single player that is anything gear wise on this server one vs one or even two vs one,heck even all ur exiled buddies have been manhandled by him "exept hymm back when dirge myth was broken"not only that"And you say; Imagine if he had my gear. Truth is; He would have. When Onyx were recruiting a warden I actually had a talk with him, but he said he couldnt leave you behind. And there was no way Onyx was gonna accept you in the guild so we found another warden instead. I kinda feel sorry for him since he really wanted to come <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Peak

10-22-2009, 03:58 PM

Hi Kaily.How are you?

tullebukk

10-22-2009, 04:02 PM

Hey PeakChords, Im just fine.. Hows you!

Faenril

10-22-2009, 06:55 PM

<cite>ulleulle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Naemesis@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I once 1 v 1 Smadredig. After 5 to 10 minutes he finally ran OOM and FJ me to get rid of the second half of my HP bar lolol. No hate though it was a fun fight. So much for the wardens that can kill you 5 times before they run out of mana :p</blockquote>Bullocks.he had all his pwr clickys left,signets etc.The fight was close to 22 min.U kept running away to regen health like a scared girl,eventually he got bored after 22min of mucking around with ur azz and then u got FJ.Nice try m8,but truly pathetic memory u have imo.Cheersjabib</blockquote>It is funny how different parties have different memory hehe.Only fraps eventually speaks the truth but I don't think I was running it.Maybe he did ?

Peak

10-22-2009, 06:57 PM

<cite>Kaily@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hey PeakChords, Im just fine.. Hows you!</blockquote>Doing swell!I see you on MSN a lot but I never think to send a message.Perhaps I will!

Zacarus

10-22-2009, 09:36 PM

<cite>Corvena@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zacarus@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Any brig complaining about killing a healer should reroll.</blockquote>if you read the subject of this thread you will see that he is actually complaining that no class should have an unlimited supply of power, being able to spamheal forever and everi can't say i don't agree, i've been arguing this same point ever since the first pictures of warden epics appeared, this being both pve and pvp context, i fail to see the reasons why any class should be able to fight for an eternity</blockquote>You missed the point. The op wrote, "cant kill them with that power." My assertion is, a warden's power should be irrelevant to a brigand.While I agree wardens have a very powerful end game tool, they are beatable. Especially by a brig, who has all the tools to do so right there on their hotbar.

gdawg311

10-23-2009, 03:56 AM

macros for different gear sets work.I mean , you dont rely on one set of gear for all ur pee v pee ? do u?

Siskiyou

10-23-2009, 05:35 AM

May I interject again, Wardens power regen is based on HEALS not combat. I am a terrible fighter 1x1, best I can do is heal up, get some defensive moved in until I'm down to half way, and then heal again. My principle defense is to annoy the hell out of whomever jumped me. If I can survive long past the initial attack, then I get my cure buff going and then all my heals off so I can keep them maintained. Then me and my buddies the tree and the fairy dig in for the long haul. Many a time I've not been able to do enough damage without running low of power while I keep myself healed and put up some type of fight. And it has not been uncommon for the person who jumped me to call in help when it becomes apparent that I'm not giving up easily.Now, if you want a good example of an excellent combat Warden, watch Vekk sometime. It's gotten so we don't even bother to go after him but instead take out his whole group and then go after him en-masse. Sometimes we have an impossible time at that since people been running in groups but not grouped and can continue to zerg until all of us are down. (as a Warden it is difficult, if not impossible, to heal out of group, I'm still figuring out that one)

TheVekk

10-23-2009, 06:22 AM

gonna put up some numbers for those that thing warden will not run out of power.the myth does regen power as u all know on a 50% chance on a heal crit.(Pre proc nerf)it would regen over 700 power off on heal crit, which made it hard as balls to run a warden out of power but STILL do able, while he is solo. stock t8 warden heals go about around 300 to 400 power unless they got stuff to lessen it but idk why they would but anyway.(Post proc nerf)i see and check the parser all the time it bearly breaks 600 EVER anymore and that is if im lucky, it avgs for about 400 give or take a few. without a grp behind him u will drain his power easly as a scout hands down MB steal way faster then he can regen it.there have been how many thread on here about how OP mental breach is and a scout realy is gonna complain about this?for one now adays if u are not running MB that is your problem, the heals in this game have goten high enough that once someone get a decent amount of crit mit they can heal them self easly. back to my other post i made on here is that clearly u have not fought many preist that are good try brusting a templar with reactive on him, or a shaman with all there wards up. im not saying the warden myth/fabled weapon ISNT OP. but DONT NO say there isnt a way around it.

Desna

10-23-2009, 06:28 AM

I'm agreeing with Vekk here, there's no reason a class with access to mental breach should be complaining over the warden myth. Even running around with 98%+ heal crit I can run out of power during solo pvp if I don't watch it, especially if I'm trying to dps a bit too. The warden myth shines with unending power in groups, not solo.

PeaSy1

10-23-2009, 07:32 AM

<cite>Siniro@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ulleulle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh im not upset,i have been pvping actively for too long to know what the score is.But thanks for chiming in.Cheersjabib</blockquote>LOL before you even came to FP no one knew who you were cause you never pvped til you got to fp and started leaching in group pvp.Jabib who? pvp what?and i'd like to repost Jabibs pic irl:<img src="http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1114820/photo_20_hires.jpg" width="461" height="700" /></blockquote>Like you were a somebody before you joined onyx.....besides for how hot you are but definately not for anything youve faired in game.Same thing with your hip hugger Naroc that you persuaded to do all the work on your toons (then youde bash how pathetic he was behind his back) and that zerker Serraphim that talks alot of smack on flames.

Bacci

10-23-2009, 07:59 AM

<blockquote><cite>ulleulle wrote:</cite>And for what wardens can do =)Well,lets just say i have rolled with a warden that has killed every single player that is anything gear wise on this server one vs one or even two vs one,heck even all ur exiled buddies have been manhandled by him "exept hymm back when dirge myth was broken"not only that, he has done it many times with me sitting right next to him IRL,but i guess assumption is the mother of all f...ups.</blockquote>This strange statement gives the impression to me that you try to make a picture about wardens, that is really far away from the truth. SSorry but i doubt about you rolling a warden and beeing the master of pk suddenly ( most ppl are scouts for a reason on pvp). Not to mention that you need to be 80 and have to make some raiding to have the epic (remember the topic?) .Sure, it might be frustrating if you personally have any problems in pvp with certain classes. But pathetic tries to make the devs willing to nerf an already 100 times nerfed class is not the solution <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />Wardens roots were nerfed, wardens damage was nerfed and wardens heals were nerfed.________________________"Wardens nice little myth, with unlimited power flowing out..."Complaining about a thing without 100% knowledge about how it works - and this happened here - wont make anyone willing to take this thread serious.Other people who know how it works already explained it. Without this power epic wardens could not heal anything in highlvl because their heals are not the best in amount. They need to spam to keep the others alive.

Paikis

10-23-2009, 09:02 AM

<cite>Rubiade wrote:</cite><blockquote>This strange statement gives the impression to me that you try to make a picture about wardens, that is really far away from the truth. SSorry but i doubt about you rolling a warden and beeing the master of pk suddenly ( most ppl are scouts for a reason on pvp). Not to mention that you need to be 80 and have to make some raiding to have the epic (remember the topic?) .Sure, it might be frustrating if you personally have any problems in pvp with certain classes. But pathetic tries to make the devs willing to nerv an already 100 times nerved class is not the solution <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />Wardens roots were nerfed, wardens damage was nerfed and wardens heals were nerfed.________________________"Wardens nice little myth, with unlimited power flowing out..."Complaining about a thing without 100% knowledge about how it works - and this happened here - wont make anyone willing to take this thread serious.Other people who know how it works already explained it. Without this power epic wardens could not heal anything in highlvl because their heals are not the best in amount. They need to spam to keep the others alive.</blockquote>Why is it that everyone always says that whatever class they're playing has been nerfed (note the F in nerf, its not a nerv) the most? Assuming you're all right, then all classes have been nerfed (F again) equally and you can shut up about it already.As for your comments about spamming, all healers do it. I have a macro on my templar which casts all my direct heals on the tank and i sit there and bash it through zones because the procs it gives me are very useful. All healers should be casting constantly, it just feels worse on a warden because of their cast times.I can run my templar out of power in about a minute if I dont equip several pieces of manawell gear. Where's my endless power proc on my myth hmmm?

Bacci

10-23-2009, 09:30 AM

<cite>Paikis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rubiade wrote:</cite><blockquote>This strange statement gives the impression to me that you try to make a picture about wardens, that is really far away from the truth. SSorry but i doubt about you rolling a warden and beeing the master of pk suddenly ( most ppl are scouts for a reason on pvp). Not to mention that you need to be 80 and have to make some raiding to have the epic (remember the topic?) .Sure, it might be frustrating if you personally have any problems in pvp with certain classes. But pathetic tries to make the devs willing to nerv an already 100 times nerved class is not the solution <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />Wardens roots were nerfed, wardens damage was nerfed and wardens heals were nerfed.________________________"Wardens nice little myth, with unlimited power flowing out..."Complaining about a thing without 100% knowledge about how it works - and this happened here - wont make anyone willing to take this thread serious.Other people who know how it works already explained it. Without this power epic wardens could not heal anything in highlvl because their heals are not the best in amount. They need to spam to keep the others alive.</blockquote>Why is it that everyone always says that whatever class they're playing has been nerfed (note the F in nerf, its not a nerv) the most? Assuming you're all right, then all classes have been nerfed (F again) equally and you can shut up about it already.As for your comments about spamming, all healers do it. I have a macro on my templar which casts all my direct heals on the tank and i sit there and bash it through zones because the procs it gives me are very useful. All healers should be casting constantly, it just feels worse on a warden because of their cast times.I can run my templar out of power in about a minute if I dont equip several pieces of manawell gear. Where's my endless power proc on my myth hmmm?</blockquote>There is no endless power proc on the warden mythical. It has a 50% chance to return a small amount of power on a critical heal.If you think that templars have a power problem, then go to the templar forum and discuss this with other templars. Complaining about the warden epic won't help <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I said wardens were nerfed because they were nerfed often. It is a fact and not forbitten to mention as far as i know the forum rules.It would make a very interesting discussion to speculate about general class nerfing and if it is really an equal process. I personally don't think they were nerfed equal.If you find any more typos or false written words you may keep them.

Franke

10-23-2009, 09:49 AM

Warden mythical is crap in 1vs1, i always used a 2-hander. The powerproc is only working in groupfights propper.

Darkor

10-23-2009, 11:52 AM

Merlina

10-23-2009, 12:40 PM

<cite>raydenwins wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Paill@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Its almost impossible to run a faction warden OP with some of the pvp items that they have avaliable in a 1v1.But hey its not like you have to stick around and die..... Seems fair in its own way.</blockquote>Exactly. As a warden for years, I can solo very well, but only if the opposition wants to die. When a warden engages you, you can probably get on the phone and call a friend to log in and help you kill him before the fight ends. Run if you dont wanna die, I'm used to people bailing on me lol</blockquote>hmm .. sometimes in this .. i thought ... god [Removed for Content] what the hell they think about Wardens ? 'Did u ever play a warden right?! do you know what a [Removed for Content] good melee spec is for a nice 1 vs 1 ... the one u fight is dead before u even have to heal twice ... and Warden can easy run out of power even with mythical ... at least at that point the enemies do not enogh damage to your people ...but besides that ...i see so many Wardens because i play more my Paladin atm .. and all i think is ... wow never saw so many so bad wardens ...To be a good Warden is not easy ... Naggy.. get rid of them ... i wanna be a Warden!*who ever finds stuff i wrote wrong ... grats you can keep it i don't need it back*

Peak

10-23-2009, 03:30 PM

<cite>Denee@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Like you were a somebody before you joined onyx.....besides for how hot you are but definately not for anything youve faired in game.Same thing with your hip hugger Naroc that you persuaded to do all the work on your toons (then youde bash how pathetic he was behind his back) and that zerker Serraphim that talks alot of smack on flames.</blockquote>And who are you again?

BlueEternal

10-23-2009, 04:10 PM

<cite>Chords@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Denee@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Like you were a somebody before you joined onyx.....besides for how hot you are but definately not for anything youve faired in game.Same thing with your hip hugger Naroc that you persuaded to do all the work on your toons (then youde bash how pathetic he was behind his back) and that zerker Serraphim that talks alot of smack on flames.</blockquote>And who are you again?</blockquote>It's Dudoes and we all know what happened with him and why he's no longer in Onyx. How's the Deseo cyber going?

Beagest

10-23-2009, 04:18 PM

<cite>Auxillery@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Title says all, I mean come on cant kill them with that power, and if trying to solo good luck buddy.</blockquote><a rel="nofollow" href="http://s670.photobucket.com/albums/vv69/urajoo/?action=view&current=EQ2_000602.jpg" target="_blank">http://s670.photobucket.com/albums/...=EQ2_000602.jpg</a>Seeing as he can't kill someone more then 10 levels below him it dosn't supprise me he struggles with t8 wardens.

Rajun

10-23-2009, 04:27 PM

You can kill wardens just have to bring more and if u have that much problems maybe u shouldnt fight them.

10-23-2009, 06:24 PM

Either burn through it all at once or plan your attack. A good warden is always a tough fight though.

Messia

10-23-2009, 06:29 PM

I run across a brigand who can kill me sometimes ... but please the warden mythical is nothing compared to say the Inquisitor mythical .. you wanna talk OP look at theirs .... or a Mystic who can power up their entire group with theirs ... or a coercer who can channel and bam full power to everyone in group .... those mythicals you can't negate their power so easily. Mental breach is gonna each through a wardens mythical eventually .. sure they might last awhile but eventually they'll die. AS far as being able to 1 v 1 every class and win .. its nevery gonna happen.

PeaSy1

10-23-2009, 06:34 PM

<cite>Naroc@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Chords@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Denee@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Like you were a somebody before you joined onyx.....besides for how hot you are but definately not for anything youve faired in game.Same thing with your hip hugger Naroc that you persuaded to do all the work on your toons (then youde bash how pathetic he was behind his back) and that zerker Serraphim that talks alot of smack on flames.</blockquote>And who are you again?</blockquote>It's Dudoes and we all know what happened with him and why he's no longer in Onyx. How's the Deseo cyber going?</blockquote>Yeh i decided to say screw wit your drama and pushed an easy way out. Its really too bad cause their are still alot of cool people in onyx its just not the same guild as it was when i first joined (i wouldnt have stuck around as long as i did dealing with the crap i got if it wasnt worth it to me at the time). I do have to thank deseo making me out to be the spy woulda been really hard for me to leave on my own <3.I still miss some people but meh this is just a game which alot seem to fail to understand and when people take it that far i dont want to be apart of it imo.Im pretty excited about the new toon im playin gonna be beastin the pvps whenever they bring the servers back =).

Azol

10-23-2009, 07:05 PM

To be in perfect balance, we all should play the same class...

Siphar

10-23-2009, 08:13 PM

<cite>Messia@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I run across a brigand who can kill me sometimes ... but please the warden mythical is nothing compared to say the Inquisitor mythical .. you wanna talk OP look at theirs .... or a Mystic who can power up their entire group with theirs ... or a coercer who can channel and bam full power to everyone in group .... those mythicals you can't negate their power so easily. Mental breach is gonna each through a wardens mythical eventually .. sure they might last awhile but eventually they'll die. AS far as being able to 1 v 1 every class and win .. its nevery gonna happen.</blockquote>Whats the coercer mythical got to do with their "channel" ability? besides its not instant full power at all. It "evens out" or redistributes available power of all members within the group and adds a little more depending on the level of the spell. If several players of low on power, then the boost is minimal.

BlueEternal

10-23-2009, 09:58 PM

<cite>Denee@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Naroc@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Chords@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Denee@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Like you were a somebody before you joined onyx.....besides for how hot you are but definately not for anything youve faired in game.Same thing with your hip hugger Naroc that you persuaded to do all the work on your toons (then youde bash how pathetic he was behind his back) and that zerker Serraphim that talks alot of smack on flames.</blockquote>And who are you again?</blockquote>It's Dudoes and we all know what happened with him and why he's no longer in Onyx. How's the Deseo cyber going?</blockquote>Yeh i decided to say screw wit your drama and pushed an easy way out. Its really too bad cause their are still alot of cool people in onyx its just not the same guild as it was when i first joined (i wouldnt have stuck around as long as i did dealing with the crap i got if it wasnt worth it to me at the time). I do have to thank deseo making me out to be the spy woulda been really hard for me to leave on my own <3.I still miss some people but meh this is just a game which alot seem to fail to understand and when people take it that far i dont want to be apart of it imo.Im pretty excited about the new toon im playin gonna be beastin the pvps whenever they bring the servers back =).</blockquote>Read what you wrote and what I highlighted in red below.

PeaSy1

10-23-2009, 10:09 PM

What about it?Or are you attempting to flame me?

BlueEternal

10-23-2009, 10:13 PM

You say you hate drama but look at what you posted, sounds like you're trying to start something to me <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" />

PeaSy1

10-23-2009, 10:49 PM

Whoa i just want you off my girl its hard for us to cyborz with you grabbin her tail errywhere she goes <3 Tbh i almost wanna go exile to get my lourdes gank on with you and keefe =D

bladechef

10-23-2009, 10:56 PM

<cite>Denee@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Whoa i just want you off my girl its hard for us to cyborz with you grabbin her tail errywhere she goes <3 Tbh i almost wanna go exile to get my lourdes gank on with you and keefe =D</blockquote>I laugh so much just thinking about it so long after the factlolpoor Lourdes

PeaSy1

10-23-2009, 11:25 PM

and fisting ninka for 30 minutes rofl

BlueEternal

10-23-2009, 11:26 PM

Hmm..that could be taken a couple ways..

PeaSy1

10-23-2009, 11:44 PM

of course <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Charmnevac

10-23-2009, 11:58 PM

I think the warden myth is way too OP, and for those of you wardens that think its not in 1v1's, your an idiot. The only 2 reasons it takes me 30minutes to kill a warden 1v1 is the fact that they have unlimited power, and purity. I MUST have stun cloak on to win, or its impossible, which is pretty stupid when you have to rely on a 6second stun ( which i agree needs a nerf ) to kill a warden. I can't mezz then debuff, the first thing purity cures is stifle and vexing verses so i can't drain their mana either, and even if i tried to and got them to 1% power they could use t1-2heals to bring it back up.So yea i think the warden myth should be nerfed, maybe 10% on a crit heal not 50%, because that would definately make it only useful in group v group pvp.

Beagest

10-24-2009, 12:24 AM

<cite>Denee@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>and fisting ninka for 30 minutes rofl</blockquote>Leave Ninka outta this, kk.

PeaSy1

10-24-2009, 12:45 AM

AUSSIES HAVE NO IMMUNITY!!!

Beagest

10-24-2009, 12:59 AM

True story!

Deathbyshadow

10-24-2009, 01:16 AM

<cite>MokiChan wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh, look, guys. It's another brigand complaining about how he can't kill someone! Alert teh internets!</blockquote>ROFL, good one moki that is exactly what I think rofl

ulleulle

10-24-2009, 02:58 AM

<cite>Kaily@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Thats not true, youve changed the text about the warden several times. But as long as youre happy, everythings good. I DO wanna see Smadrerdig come to the forums saying he has killed every single player that is anything gear wise on this server one vs one, cause thats what you said, right?"Well,lets just say i have rolled with a warden that has killed every single player that is anything gear wise on this server one vs one or even two vs one,heck even all ur exiled buddies have been manhandled by him "exept hymm back when dirge myth was broken"not only that"And you say; Imagine if he had my gear. Truth is; He would have. When Onyx were recruiting a warden I actually had a talk with him, but he said he couldnt leave you behind. And there was no way Onyx was gonna accept you in the guild so we found another warden instead. I kinda feel sorry for him since he really wanted to come <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>HAHAHA ur drunk with power dear kaily.I was sitting right next to him when you had that conversation.and let me tell you that you are way off if u got that impression,maybe u got played... ever thought of that =)And how nice u mention me and ur guild in the same breath,U can bet ur azz i have never even considered the possibility of being with u guys EVER.U guys are the prima geeks and i do have a life u know..Besides the amount of drama u guys have in the background is too much for any half normal person imo.

ulleulle

10-24-2009, 03:06 AM

<cite>Desna_Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm agreeing with Vekk here, there's no reason a class with access to mental breach should be complaining over the warden myth. Even running around with 98%+ heal crit I can run out of power during solo pvp if I don't watch it, especially if I'm trying to dps a bit too. The warden myth shines with unending power in groups, not solo. </blockquote>Try with the runed mobious strip (pvp item) some low lvl heals for pwr regen,signets,potions,tinker,roots e.t.cTry that and then come back if u still need advice on how to play a warden from a guy that actually dont play it as main ,,DOHCheersJabib

ulleulle

10-24-2009, 03:13 AM

<cite>Kaily@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I prolly know atleast 10 ppl in Onyx from the top of my head thats never died to Smadrerdig.. But nice try! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>I need names for this plz.And they better be somewhat know names and not some pve geek you have hidden under the stairs in ur GH.You are about to be corrected very fast missy.CheersJabib

ulleulle

10-24-2009, 03:21 AM

<cite>Messia@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I run across a brigand who can kill me sometimes ... but please the warden mythical is nothing compared to say the Inquisitor mythical .. you wanna talk OP look at theirs .... or a Mystic who can power up their entire group with theirs ... or a coercer who can channel and bam full power to everyone in group .... those mythicals you can't negate their power so easily. Mental breach is gonna each through a wardens mythical eventually .. sure they might last awhile but eventually they'll die. AS far as being able to 1 v 1 every class and win .. its nevery gonna happen.</blockquote>Get some better gear will you.The above you wrote is a slap in the face to all wardens that took the time to gear for PVP..Im out of this thread,it stops being fun when people needs to be told bacis stuff over and over.Stay safe and cheersJabib

PeaSy1

10-24-2009, 03:45 AM

<cite>ulleulle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kaily@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Thats not true, youve changed the text about the warden several times. But as long as youre happy, everythings good. I DO wanna see Smadrerdig come to the forums saying he has killed every single player that is anything gear wise on this server one vs one, cause thats what you said, right?"Well,lets just say i have rolled with a warden that has killed every single player that is anything gear wise on this server one vs one or even two vs one,heck even all ur exiled buddies have been manhandled by him "exept hymm back when dirge myth was broken"not only that"And you say; Imagine if he had my gear. Truth is; He would have. When Onyx were recruiting a warden I actually had a talk with him, but he said he couldnt leave you behind. And there was no way Onyx was gonna accept you in the guild so we found another warden instead. I kinda feel sorry for him since he really wanted to come <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>HAHAHA ur drunk with power dear kaily.I was sitting right next to him when you had that conversation.and let me tell you that you are way off if u got that impression,maybe u got played... ever thought of that =)And how nice u mention me and ur guild in the same breath,U can bet ur azz i have never even considered the possibility of being with u guys EVER.U guys are the prima geeks and i do have a life u know..Besides the amount of drama u guys have in the background is too much for any half normal person imo.</blockquote>this is lol cause its kinda sad =(

Franke

10-24-2009, 07:48 AM

<cite>Charmnevac@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think the warden myth is way too OP, and for those of you wardens that think its not in 1v1's, your an idiot. The only 2 reasons it takes me 30minutes to kill a warden 1v1 is the fact that they have unlimited power, and purity. I MUST have stun cloak on to win, or its impossible, which is pretty stupid when you have to rely on a 6second stun ( which i agree needs a nerf ) to kill a warden. I can't mezz then debuff, the first thing purity cures is stifle and vexing verses so i can't drain their mana either, and even if i tried to and got them to 1% power they could use t1-2heals to bring it back up.So yea i think the warden myth should be nerfed, maybe 10% on a crit heal not 50%, because that would definately make it only useful in group v group pvp.</blockquote>lollearn to dps maybe, and stop hiding 25 min of the fightpvp wrist and other manareg-gear like zarakonbelt, Culta-Neck or tools like manaroot, tinkerstone give u more mana back then mythical.Mythical was nerved to nothing with the big proc-nerv. The only reason to use mythical solo is if u fight against other healers (if u are bored as hell), crusaders or against more ppl, but not to win fights.. only to survivie as long as possible. And NOT for keeping mana up..because of the healamount on hots, which gives every healermythical.What warden makes strong are our groupheals in groupfights, then the mythical gives more mana back then u need to use to keep ur group up.i dont care rly , i stopped playing warden. maybe im a idot, but now i play a troub and no1 cares if u are a idot when u play a troub..

Charmnevac

10-24-2009, 01:14 PM

<cite>Viting@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>lollearn to dps maybe, and stop hiding 25 min of the fight</blockquote>Find one troub who can out DPS me in pvp PLEASE, the fact is you can't, and i can't kill a warden without getting a stun proc, stifle, then a stun proc right b4 stifle wears off, well one in full PVP gear that is.

Darkor

10-24-2009, 05:04 PM

No troub is going to kill a good warden with the right gear.

Charmnevac

10-24-2009, 07:14 PM

I disagree, I've killed Dacampzer, after a 30minute fight which came down to getting stun cloak stifle stun cloak AND a stone of nizara proc.

Franke

10-25-2009, 07:55 AM

For the most wardens are stiffleshot, some combatarts and interrupts enough. i nearly 1 shot kaily during War pull, ok i was buffed. And i agree if u cant spike the warden down u better run away. But thats have nothing to do with this crap mythical.

tullebukk

10-26-2009, 05:53 PM

Oh Oh! I wanna see the parse of you almost oneshotting me! When did this happen? I might be lost here

jeffdo

10-28-2009, 02:08 AM

<cite>Charmnevac@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think the warden myth is way too OP, and for those of you wardens that think its not in 1v1's, your an idiot. The only 2 reasons it takes me 30minutes to kill a warden 1v1 is the fact that they have unlimited power, and purity. I MUST have stun cloak on to win, or its impossible, which is pretty stupid when you have to rely on a 6second stun ( which i agree needs a nerf ) to kill a warden. I can't mezz then debuff, the first thing purity cures is stifle and vexing verses so i can't drain their mana either, and even if i tried to and got them to 1% power they could use t1-2heals to bring it back up.So yea i think the warden myth should be nerfed, maybe 10% on a crit heal not 50%, because that would definately make it only useful in group v group pvp.</blockquote>I assume you don't play a Warden. The mythical effect that returns power doesn't return it enough solo, it will however keep a Warden at full power in a group. The really funny thing here is you are complaining that it takes you 30 minutes to kill a Warden solo. Doesn't that imply that Wardens (Unless you are Kaily) have significant problems since they can't beat down a class that doesn't have heals in 30 minutes? Or your incombat regen is greater than a Wardens dps?Regardless, pretty much all of the healers have huge power regen in pvp now with one of the new pvp items.Jeff/Remop

TheVekk

10-28-2009, 12:33 PM

people still complaing about the warden myth being op in pvp?i saw someone said something about purity being op as well, so the inquis myth clicky isnt even more op? they get a grp wide version that does the same thing that comes up like what every 13 to 14 seconds?i swear NO scout should ever complaing about not being able to kill a healer FFS u have mental breach good god what else do u want, why are u picking on the warden when there are way more overpowered classes lolit is your own fault if u dont choose to use mental breach vs a warden and it Will drain there power, i know a couple scouts who have gear just for fighting healers, if they can get it so can u.....

Siphar

10-28-2009, 01:52 PM

<cite>Kaily@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh Oh! I wanna see the parse of you almost oneshotting me! When did this happen? I might be lost here</blockquote>Its possible to pretty much 1-2 shot any non-tank class if they aren't engaged in PvP and their stuff active.Warden mythical is powerful - does it need nerf'ing? Well I think there are much bigger issues in the game than the warden mythical.

Silverzx

10-29-2009, 04:22 AM

can't kill a warden with myth? dont worry they cant kill you either with that myth on unless you sit there like a idiot after your burst attempt fails.and i vote palys as the next class to nerf , sk's and wardens have had their time

ulleulle

10-29-2009, 05:59 AM

<cite>Siphar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kaily@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh Oh! I wanna see the parse of you almost oneshotting me! When did this happen? I might be lost here</blockquote>Its possible to pretty much 1-2 shot any non-tank class if they aren't engaged in PvP and their stuff active.Warden mythical is powerful - does it need nerf'ing? Well I think there are much bigger issues in the game than the warden mythical.</blockquote>When push comes to shove i would agree 100% on the above statement.<h4>Just for kicks i went out with some friends for some some low lvl pvp yesterday (25-2<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> well lets say it ended up in people using bristlebane stun,mages being oneshotted by shamans with scourge,Harmtouch almost doing the same on all of us,we saw atleast 3 diffrent people speedhacking for the life of em each time they where about to die.</h4><h4>And to top it off the two mages "illu-wiz" got resisted like it was on sale for 0.99$,both of em in competative gear with enough AA and expert or better for spell quality.The resist part may have something to do with the fact that most of the resists stats on low lvl pvp gear is cold,heat and mental.... </h4>Anyways after spending the last 3 evenings playing some lowbies i have come to the conclusion that you can find one fair fight out of 25-50.Rest of the time it is people bending every part of the game to their advantadge,now i dont blame the players really"besides third party program users" instead i blame soe for giving us players these tools in the first place..Seriously if this is what new players have to deal with then no wonder we are in player decline =/Oh well.Was just to put things in perspective when talking about the warden myth proc i guess =)CheersJabib

Rynir

10-29-2009, 07:54 PM

<cite>TheVekk wrote:</cite><blockquote>people still complaing about the warden myth being op in pvp?i saw someone said something about purity being op as well, so the inquis myth clicky isnt even more op? they get a grp wide version that does the same thing that comes up like what every 13 to 14 seconds?i swear NO scout should ever complaing about not being able to kill a healer FFS u have mental breach good god what else do u want, why are u picking on the warden when there are way more overpowered classes lolit is your own fault if u dont choose to use mental breach vs a warden and it Will drain there power, i know a couple scouts who have gear just for fighting healers, if they can get it so can u.....</blockquote>The thing about Tranquility (purity) being op is that you can cast outside of group to heal and cure lower lvl people as they are fighting. Im so tired of fighting people on my low lvl character to only have a 80 warden come around and pop tranquility and the person i was fighting is at full health becasue of the dots and debuff cured off my target.

yellowbelly08

11-01-2009, 07:49 AM

People are saying use mental breach on a warden and run them out of power...er nope wont work btw with myth and gear their regen will cope with mental breach. I can kill wardens purely on burst periods beating their healing but on high end wardens even this is exceptionally difficult.Galoro

tullebukk

11-01-2009, 11:37 AM

You might wanna have a chat with Pudaan then Galoro. He can kill me easily cause he drains my power so quickly. But then again, power drains combined with insane damage output = painful

Faenril

11-01-2009, 09:37 PM

I bet Galoro is too cheap to buy mastercrafted mental breach <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> J/k

mrsma

11-03-2009, 11:36 AM

I have been playing my main Warden for just over 2 years now. I am not saying I am amazing but I feel I know my class very well and am a good healer.I have, I think, a very nice overall spec. I have 80% overall crit mitigation , 1190+ heal amount and 102% heal crit.With that said....... When I One vs One a player who knows their class the only way to keep power up and to do some damage is to use low lvl heals. Even by doing this I will still be running low on power as the fight progresses. Pots with power over time help but not much. If I over use my damage attacks my power goes down fast . When my opponent has his / her big burst attacks up I can't use my low lvl heals or I will die, fast.I have nice tools to keep me alive apart from my Heal spells - Sandstorm, x 4 death intervention ticks (Reformation), Tranquility, Shatter Infections, Serenity and single target cure of which MOST carry an incurring power drain.So, with regards to the OP - When faced with a skilled opponent one vs one who is DPS based the Warden Myth is not the bee's knees power return monster you think it is. Burst DPS / stuns / Procs = very close to death even with my full PVP gear, however, with a few timed spells I WILL survive. Then it is how long my power will last and as mentioned it can get used up very fast by me or my attacker.NOW.... put me in a group with a tank or two to take away aggro and <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /> MWHAHAHAHA <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" />I choose to be a healer because I like grouping. I like the responsibility of making the difference. I like comments like "with you healing I feel invincible" <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /> I also like it when I have 2-3 noobs trying to kill me <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />