PvP Classes

[Vandimar]

<p>So I`m going to roll a new toon on  my first PvP server. I`ve been inactive for a year, so I need help. As far as seeing that Venekor is merging, this should be interesting and adding more people to a server never hurts.(if the new upgraded system handles it well).  My question is, wich top 2 classes you recomend and why ? I`m gearing towards a Mage or Scout, my last one was a Necro anyways i`m all ears to sugestions, advice for a noob PvP.  Thanks !</p>

[MokiCh]

<p>The search function is your friend.</p>

[Azol]

Brigand, warlock, coercer if you prefer mages or scouts.

[wellehad0]

<p><cite>Vandimar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So I`m going to roll a new toon on  my first PvP server. I`ve been inactive for a year, so I need help. As far as seeing that Venekor is merging, this should be interesting and adding more people to a server never hurts.(if the new upgraded system handles it well).  My question is, wich top 2 classes you recomend and why ? I`m gearing towards a Mage or Scout, my last one was a Necro anyways i`m all ears to sugestions, advice for a noob PvP.  Thanks !</p></blockquote><p>if you prefer mage  then go SK.  if you prefer DPS then go SK..... if you prefer healing SK has some of that too.. if you just want to tank then go Paly or SK.... </p>

[YasikoSetsu]

<p><cite>Balazarzs@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Vandimar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So I`m going to roll a new toon on  my first PvP server. I`ve been inactive for a year, so I need help. As far as seeing that Venekor is merging, this should be interesting and adding more people to a server never hurts.(if the new upgraded system handles it well).  My question is, wich top 2 classes you recomend and why ? I`m gearing towards a Mage or Scout, my last one was a Necro anyways i`m all ears to sugestions, advice for a noob PvP.  Thanks !</p></blockquote><p>if you prefer mage  then go SK.  if you prefer DPS then go SK..... if you prefer healing SK has some of that too.. if you just want to tank then go Paly or SK.... </p></blockquote><p>Every time someone rolls a SK, a hemophiliac child is attacked by a rabid panther.</p>

[Faenril]

<p><cite>YasikoSetsuna wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Balazarzs@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Vandimar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So I`m going to roll a new toon on  my first PvP server. I`ve been inactive for a year, so I need help. As far as seeing that Venekor is merging, this should be interesting and adding more people to a server never hurts.(if the new upgraded system handles it well).  My question is, wich top 2 classes you recomend and why ? I`m gearing towards a Mage or Scout, my last one was a Necro anyways i`m all ears to sugestions, advice for a noob PvP.  Thanks !</p></blockquote><p>if you prefer mage  then go SK.  if you prefer DPS then go SK..... if you prefer healing SK has some of that too.. if you just want to tank then go Paly or SK.... </p></blockquote><p>Every time someone rolls a SK, a hemophiliac child is attacked by a rabid panther.</p></blockquote><p>Or a badger dies at TG <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Magnis]

<p>please think of the children  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Vandimar]

<p><cite>Magnis@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>please think of the children  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I will not hurt the children....but I will kill those that act like them</p><p>I can see that this forum just went downhill, must be the pvp community ...?  Cant get a straight answer, did SOE affiliate with WoW and started recruiting their memebers .....but still amusing to me hahaha</p><p>What I`m looking for is wich subclass in mage and scout performs better then its counterpart</p>

[Guld_Ulrish]

<p>Roll a necro  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Magnis]

<p>haha, even if you roll an OP class, just like yull learn to take the deaths you gotta take the jokes. We're all just having fun.   But if in all seriousness.  mage go coercer and scout brigand.</p>

[Guld_Ulrish]

<p>Starting as new on pvp server this days aint fun the first weeks/months.</p>

[puffmouse2]

<p>Instead of slider if there was just one simple button that said 'Alternate Advancement'. </p><p>I push that and it fills up my AA with points first and then force back to xp once im at my level limit of AA.  For pvp this would mean i spend alot of time to begin with in tier 2 until ive worked up my fill of aa and then my leveling from there would be staggered with the correct amount of aa at each level.  So it gives the effect of 100% conversion only as its needed, but doesnt allow the full permanent level locking that for some reason someone somewhere thinks is a bad idea.</p><p>?</p>

[Azol]

<p><cite>Vandimar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I can see that this forum just went downhill, must be the pvp community ...?  Cant get a straight answer, did SOE affiliate with WoW and started recruiting their memebers .....but still amusing to me hahaha</p><p>What I`m looking for is wich subclass in mage and scout performs better then its counterpart</p></blockquote><p>I have already answered your question, read answers and skip flames.</p>

[puffmouse2]

<p><cite>puffmouse2 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Instead of slider if there was just one simple button that said 'Alternate Advancement'. </p><p>I push that and it fills up my AA with points first and then force back to xp once im at my level limit of AA.  For pvp this would mean i spend alot of time to begin with in tier 2 until ive worked up my fill of aa and then my leveling from there would be staggered with the correct amount of aa at each level.  So it gives the effect of 100% conversion only as its needed, but doesnt allow the full permanent level locking that for some reason someone somewhere thinks is a bad idea.</p><p>?</p></blockquote><p>wow i had to dig for this one, totally posted it to a different topic and then whoosh its way the #### over here.  nice forums....</p>

[Vandimar]

<p><cite>Magnis@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>haha, even if you roll an OP class, just like yull learn to take the deaths you gotta take the jokes. We're all just having fun.   But if in all seriousness.  mage go coercer and scout brigand.</p></blockquote><p>I was joking around....I know my sense of humor is harsh to some <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ...I`m not a cry baby haha. I know how to level up toons I know what to avoid for the most part...I might not be the best at tweeking a toon, but I can manage well....So far I`m leaning towards coercer...never played one could be interesting</p>

[wellehad0]

<p><cite>Vandimar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Magnis@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>haha, even if you roll an OP class, just like yull learn to take the deaths you gotta take the jokes. We're all just having fun.   But if in all seriousness.  mage go coercer and scout brigand.</p></blockquote><p>I was joking around....I know my sense of humor is harsh to some <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /> ...I`m not a cry baby haha. I know how to level up toons I know what to avoid for the most part...I might not be the best at tweeking a toon, but I can manage well....So far I`m leaning towards coercer...never played one could be interesting</p></blockquote><p>well if its a first time on pvp server CORC is bad choice unless you are addicted to pressing the rez butten after every fight.. corc is not one of thoughs classes that can get bye wihtout being geared up.. they are by far the weakest in terms of defence and with the resist rates anything less then adept 3 will make you cry and give up......</p>

[Azol]

<p>Since EQ2 is gear-based game, it will be true for most classes. Guardian has lots of defense but equally weak without right gear choices. But of course, non-bard scouts are preferable if you are looking for more "easymode". Or crusaders.</p>

[MokiCh]

<p><cite>Vandimar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Magnis@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>please think of the children  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I will not hurt the children....but I will kill those that act like them</p><p>I can see that this forum just went downhill, must be the pvp community ...?  Cant get a straight answer, did SOE affiliate with WoW and started recruiting their memebers .....but still amusing to me hahaha</p><p>What I`m looking for is wich subclass in mage and scout performs better then its counterpart</p></blockquote><p>Like I said, use the search function. There's already a bunch of threads that discuss this very topic.</p><p>But since you're either lazy or too inept to find the search function, let me answer the question of which subclass is better than the other. In fact, this is the ultimate answer to any question in EQ2 regarding class comparisons.</p><p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: xx-large;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">IT DEPENDS</span></span></p><p style="text-align: center;"> </p><p style="text-align: left;">No one class is universally better than another in any and all situations, especially in PvP which has far too many variables to accurately make predictions like that. Now there are certain classes that are commonly acknowledged to be very forgiving in PvP and pretty easy to pick up. These include Shadowknights, Paladins, melee Wardens, Brigands and Swashbucklers. Almost any class, with the possible exception of Summoners, can do ok for themselves in PvP, some just have to work harder at it than others.</p><p style="text-align: left;">If you want to know if you should pick a scout or mage class, I think the obvious answer is to pick a scout. Mages can do well, but it takes a lot of work, a good bit of luck with resists, and an extreme amount of patience because you'll be hitting revive a lot, especially if you play a class without manashield.</p>

[Vandimar]

<p><cite>MokiChan wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Vandimar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Magnis@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>please think of the children  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I will not hurt the children....but I will kill those that act like them</p><p>I can see that this forum just went downhill, must be the pvp community ...?  Cant get a straight answer, did SOE affiliate with WoW and started recruiting their memebers .....but still amusing to me hahaha</p><p>What I`m looking for is wich subclass in mage and scout performs better then its counterpart</p></blockquote><p>Like I said, use the search function. There's already a bunch of threads that discuss this very topic.</p><p>But since you're either lazy or too inept to find the search function, let me answer the question of which subclass is better than the other. In fact, this is the ultimate answer to any question in EQ2 regarding class comparisons.</p><p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: xx-large;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">IT DEPENDS</span></span></p><p style="text-align: center;"> </p><p style="text-align: left;">No one class is universally better than another in any and all situations, especially in PvP which has far too many variables to accurately make predictions like that. Now there are certain classes that are commonly acknowledged to be very forgiving in PvP and pretty easy to pick up. These include Shadowknights, Paladins, melee Wardens, Brigands and Swashbucklers. Almost any class, with the possible exception of Summoners, can do ok for themselves in PvP, some just have to work harder at it than others.</p><p style="text-align: left;">If you want to know if you should pick a scout or mage class, I think the obvious answer is to pick a scout. Mages can do well, but it takes a lot of work, a good bit of luck with resists, and an extreme amount of patience because you'll be hitting revive a lot, especially if you play a class without manashield.</p></blockquote><p>I know how to find stuff. I know that YES it DEPENDS....PvP power shouldnt be your first reason...maybe for some, not for me I still enjoy the RP aspect of it. All I`m asking is points of views and opinions and trying to get involved again in the forums, I just like to hear up to date comments(not a 2004 thread on the topic...hahaha).... Is there something wrong with starting a new thread ?</p>

[YasikoSetsu]

<p><cite>Vandimar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>MokiChan wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Vandimar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Magnis@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>please think of the children  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I will not hurt the children....but I will kill those that act like them</p><p>I can see that this forum just went downhill, must be the pvp community ...?  Cant get a straight answer, did SOE affiliate with WoW and started recruiting their memebers .....but still amusing to me hahaha</p><p>What I`m looking for is wich subclass in mage and scout performs better then its counterpart</p></blockquote><p>Like I said, use the search function. There's already a bunch of threads that discuss this very topic.</p><p>But since you're either lazy or too inept to find the search function, let me answer the question of which subclass is better than the other. In fact, this is the ultimate answer to any question in EQ2 regarding class comparisons.</p><p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: xx-large;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">IT DEPENDS</span></span></p><p style="text-align: center;"> </p><p style="text-align: left;">No one class is universally better than another in any and all situations, especially in PvP which has far too many variables to accurately make predictions like that. Now there are certain classes that are commonly acknowledged to be very forgiving in PvP and pretty easy to pick up. These include Shadowknights, Paladins, melee Wardens, Brigands and Swashbucklers. Almost any class, with the possible exception of Summoners, can do ok for themselves in PvP, some just have to work harder at it than others.</p><p style="text-align: left;">If you want to know if you should pick a scout or mage class, I think the obvious answer is to pick a scout. Mages can do well, but it takes a lot of work, a good bit of luck with resists, and an extreme amount of patience because you'll be hitting revive a lot, especially if you play a class without manashield.</p></blockquote><p>I know how to find stuff. I know that YES it DEPENDS....PvP power shouldnt be your first reason...maybe for some, not for me I still enjoy the RP aspect of it. All I`m asking is points of views and opinions and trying to get involved again in the forums, I just like to hear up to date comments(not a 2004 thread on the topic...hahaha).... Is there something wrong with starting a new thread ?</p></blockquote><p>--Enchanters--</p><p>Squishiest of all the mages, make up for this fact with the best crowd control of all classes. Good DPS if you can keep em off you.</p><p>--Sorcs--</p><p>Most defensive of all the mages, most firepower of all the mages, almost no crowd control.</p><p>--Summoners--</p><p>More defensive than enchanters, but much less than sorcs. Good dps <strong>IF YOU HAVE TIME TO BUILD IT UP</strong>. You cant just press a nuke and make someone die, like a wizard.</p><p>--Rogues--</p><p>Less DPS than predators, make up for this with very nice debuffs.</p><p>--Predators--</p><p>Most DPS of all the scouts, but are very situational fighters. If you're not getting the jump, it's not looking good for you, unless your gear is ridiculous.</p><p>--Bards--</p><p>Least DPS of all scouts, but make up for this with the best buffs in the game. Also have very nice debuffs.</p><p>Troubs have enchanter like crowd control/mechanics (mez, stifle)</p><p>Dirges have necro like crowd control/mechanics (fear, root, lifetap)</p><p>That answer your question?</p><p>Just play what you want, dude. You'll always win some, you'll always lose some. It all comes down to what you have the most fun with, while taking your losses, and owning face when you can.</p>

[Taldier]

<p><cite>YasikoSetsuna wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just play what you want, dude. You'll always win some, you'll always lose some. It all comes down to what you have the most fun with, while taking your losses, and owning face when you can.</p></blockquote><p>This.  Nothing else matters.</p>

[stgninja]

<p>hai guise wuts the best pvp class lol</p>

[Sprin]

<p><cite>MokiChan wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The search function is your friend.</p></blockquote><p>troll much?</p><p>dont post if you dont want to.</p><p>Believe it or not, some people actually like to interact with others and converse over a topic, not jut read through endless pages of flames, off topic rants, trolls (much like yours) and other nonsense... </p><p>that being said:</p><p>Scouts...</p><p>Your dirges and troubs are lower dps, crowd control, kiting kind of toons... gotta be good at pvp in general to be good at these guys, i wouldn't reccomend starting out in pvp on a bard.</p><p>Rangers... rely HEAVILY on kiting and snares and running etc etc etc... until much later levels, if they get up on you, your gonna die, cuz your dps drops to almost nuthing close range, until later tiers of course... but you have to get to later tiers to be affected by that <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Assassins.. very very positional based... lots of requirements for stealth, positions, difficults for a newb PVP'r IMHO...  things that work on mobs dont neccesarily work on PVP players.</p><p>Swashy / brigand... In my opinion start with one of these... they do have positional attacks, but their DPS is not DEPENDENT on it... it just gets higher if you do them right... lots of DPS, lots of control effects... snares, knockdowns...  up in your face kinda player... and until you get good at PVP, you are gonna find yourself not reacting to PVP fights as fast as you want, and they are gonna be up in youur face anyways... might as well hve the tools for em..</p><p>....</p><p>Mages:</p><p>Enchanters... zero defenses.... you are gonna rely EXCLUSIVELY on control effects... which means you rely more on spell / gear / skill then other mages...  if your spells suck they resist more and you wont land a control effect and you essentially a wet paper bag full of updates for people...</p><p>Sorcerers... most defenses, like mentioned before... ubar DPS... not much thought required to them... root and nuke, pop manashield if root breaks and hope for the best... best for beginner PVP'r as far as mage goes</p><p>Summoner... its been said before... requires lots more skill to finese and to do lots of damage... one of the most gimped classes in PVP... powerfull only if you are very good at them and have good gear... neiwther of which you will have starting out <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> save this class for later <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Tanks:</p><p>SK / Pally... ez mode, bang your head on the keyboard and win fights with SK... bang your head against the keyboard and stay alive forever with pally... enuf said.. for newbs of pvp for sure... moreso with SK.. because you kill everything fast and are hard to kill.. Pally is probably more powerfull in PVP in that they are harder to kill and can also do substantial damage, but requires more skill / gear / spells to be better at... go with SK for tank</p><p>Warriars... "pure tanks"... meatshields... guardians have best "reactive pvp taunt (force target)"... which is why people love guardians for PVP tanks....</p><p>Bruisers/monks.... imho, the most fun pvp tanks out there... lots of fun to play, but their "reactive" pvp taunt is junk and forcing multiple pvp targets and keeping them on you is hard and takes work and skill and gear... not the best to start off with in the PVP world.. though very powerfull once you get that gear / spells / skill</p><p>Healers:</p><p>Clerics... very powerful PVP healers because of steadfast and since damage is reduced in PVP, the reactives can keep most people alive quite well... great group buffs make for great pvp healers...  though solo, templar has zero ways of keeping someone from running from them... inquisy has the root / mez... but that breaks almost instantly with damage, so kinda worthless in PVP...  downfall = cast times... long cast times = lots of inturrupts in pvp...  need gear and lots of aa to counter this..  probably not the best to start in pvp with...</p><p>shaman.... similar in pvp to clerics.. with the long cast times, for the amature, its easy to get [Removed for Content] pwned if your not quick on the trigger before the fight starts...</p><p>Druids... wardens are arguably the most overpowered class in low tier PVP..... their natural powerpool is high and with superfast casting heals, hard to kill because it just takes  a second to get a heal off... roots and decent dps... i would reccomend a druid for your first PVP healer...</p><p>My opinions based off of 100's of alts, have never played on a PVE server so only pvp experience is what I have</p>

[MokiCh]

<p>I could understand your point if nobody had asked that question in a while. But we get several posts a month about which class is better/best in PvP, and 5 minutes with the search function would probably have told him everything he needed to know to make an informed deceision on if he should start out with a mage or a scout on PvP.</p><p>For the same reason that we don't need ten different threads on mentoring and level locking, it would probably be better if people posted questions regarding classes in the threads that already exist for that topic instead of starting new ones. But instead we get a new 'halp me guise' thread at least once a month in here, and they all ask the same handful of questions.</p><p>I do realise that the FAQs in the 'Consolidated PvP Discussion' thread are very outdated and should probably be unstickied. If you guys that know what you're on about would like to get together and put together a new one that accurately reflects the current state of PvP, I'm all for helping make that happen. But I also reserve the right to make snarky comments in every new 'r briguns gud @ pvp lol thx bai' thread we get.</p>

[Sprin]

<p><cite>MokiChan wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I could understand your point if nobody had asked that question in a while. But we get several posts a month about which class is better/best in PvP, and 5 minutes with the search function would probably have told him everything he needed to know to make an informed deceision on if he should start out with a mage or a scout on PvP.</p><p>For the same reason that we don't need ten different threads on mentoring and level locking, it would probably be better if people posted questions regarding classes in the threads that already exist for that topic instead of starting new ones. But instead we get a new 'halp me guise' thread at least once a month in here, and they all ask the same handful of questions.</p><p>I do realise that the FAQs in the 'Consolidated PvP Discussion' thread are very outdated and should probably be unstickied. If you guys that know what you're on about would like to get together and put together a new one that accurately reflects the current state of PvP, I'm all for helping make that happen. But I also reserve the right to make snarky comments in every new 'r briguns gud @ pvp lol thx bai' thread we get.</p></blockquote><p>I guess some people go on "DISCUSSION BOARDS" to discuss things, and not just read...  </p><p>This isnt called "General Everquest II Read Only" boards in the "PVP Read Only" section... its</p><p>General Everquest II <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Discussion</span></span></strong> >> PVP <span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Discussion</span></strong></span></p><p><span><span style="color: #ffcc00;">Some people want to discuss things.. you obviously just want to read what they wrote and troll and waste everyones time... to each their own i guess... some people are just leeches on society....</span></span></p>

[YasikoSetsu]

<p>I waste more time reading pointless posts from people whining about the search function than I do pointless posts from people not using the search function, just saying.</p>