SS capert in DLW [Archive] - EQ2 Forum Archive @ EQ2Wire

Kkolbe

08-12-2009, 02:04 PM

<cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why is a carpet is in the middle of the DLW zone? If Neriak is in need of a carpet to Sinking sands then put it down at the docks where the ships come in! Engaging someone in the middle of a zone away from the zones to Nek forest, CL, or Neriak should be putting these people at a greater risk!</blockquote>Awwww, the poor guy can't gank questers at the Wanderlust Fair in DLW without them zoning out. I rather like the carpet in DLW, its a nice escape from you pro gankers. And you Q's can use the carpet too, so I dont see what the problem is..

Killque

08-12-2009, 02:12 PM

This is a very selfish request. Please think about the game as a whole before you jump to posting your ideas.

Cyntil

08-12-2009, 02:17 PM

the Q's can use the carpet if they wish to travel to Ss, then to QH, Antonica, TS, Nek forest, CL, DLW. No direct path back. It's not really about ganking so much as trying to have some pvp fun in the middle of a zone without everyone running away and zoning out.!How is it a selfish request to take a carpet in the middle of a zone out? How is it at all on a even playing field when freeps sit in the camp, run out and gank someone not in a group of 8, and then run over to a carpet and zone out and back in for immunity? middle of a zone should be up for pvp, not the same crap you deal with at zone lines.

Kendayar

08-12-2009, 02:19 PM

Stop that. Your QQ is making my text sky blue. I don't like Sky blue text.

Kkolbe

08-12-2009, 02:29 PM

<cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote>the Q's can use the carpet if they wish to travel to Ss, then to QH, Antonica, TS, Nek forest, CL, DLW. No direct path back. It's not really about ganking so much as trying to have some pvp fun in the middle of a zone without everyone running away and zoning out.!How is it a selfish request to take a carpet in the middle of a zone out? How is it at all on a even playing field when freeps sit in the camp, run out and gank someone not in a group of 8, and then run over to a carpet and zone out and back in for immunity? middle of a zone should be up for pvp, not the same crap you deal with at zone lines.</blockquote>This is an Evil side zone. Q's should not get an ss carpet to DLW, just like Freeps dont get ss carpet routes to q zones. Freeps should have the advantage in DLW. Just like in the caves, only q's can use the bells. This zone is meant for questing, it's just that you q's like to gank noobs in it all day long, so giving them an escape from your nonstop ganking doesn't seem like a bad thing.

Cyntil

08-12-2009, 02:30 PM

I'm not QQing. I'm asking for the purpose of a carpet in the middle of DLW and it not going directly to Neriak. I see a imbalance in what goes on in DLW night after night and I am expressing a concern. You on the otherhand are just trying to get a rise out of me.

Azekah1

08-12-2009, 02:31 PM

Removing the carpet will do nothing to help those who are "questing"If anything, it would give them less chance of escaping.

Wilde_Night

08-12-2009, 02:33 PM

The main reason we have a carpet in DLW and Neriak is that the Neriak carpet only works for Neriak citizens, not just for any evil. Neriak residents can carpet to and from their city as much as they want with the carpet at the docks. Those evils who live in Gorowyn or Freeport can not use it, hence the carpet in DLW, which was supposed to offer an easier way to get to Neriak for the other evils.Does it kind of stink that Lighties get to use it too? Yeah. But then, PvP away from it. You can get some great fights by the crater, in the werewolf/vampire area or even over by the Tower of Bone.

Cyntil

08-12-2009, 02:33 PM

<cite>Kkolbe wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote>the Q's can use the carpet if they wish to travel to Ss, then to QH, Antonica, TS, Nek forest, CL, DLW. No direct path back. It's not really about ganking so much as trying to have some pvp fun in the middle of a zone without everyone running away and zoning out.!How is it a selfish request to take a carpet in the middle of a zone out? How is it at all on a even playing field when freeps sit in the camp, run out and gank someone not in a group of 8, and then run over to a carpet and zone out and back in for immunity? middle of a zone should be up for pvp, not the same crap you deal with at zone lines.</blockquote>This is an Evil side zone. Q's should not get an ss carpet to DLW, just like Freeps dont get ss carpet routes to q zones. Freeps should have the advantage in DLW. Just like in the caves, only q's can use the bells. This zone is meant for questing, it's just that you q's like to gank noobs in it all day long, so giving them an escape from your nonstop ganking doesn't seem like a bad thing.</blockquote>I understand it's an evil side zone and that the carpet does not take you directly to DLW if you're a Q. I also know they don't get routes to our Zones. Thank you again! We have [Removed for Content] carpet in the middle of one of our lower end zones? Who said anything about bells?

Cyntil

08-12-2009, 02:36 PM

<cite>Aeviel@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>The main reason we have a carpet in DLW and Neriak is that the Neriak carpet only works for Neriak citizens, not just for any evil. Neriak residents can carpet to and from their city as much as they want with the carpet at the docks. Those evils who live in Gorowyn or Freeport can not use it, hence the carpet in DLW, which was supposed to offer an easier way to get to Neriak for the other evils.Does it kind of stink that Lighties get to use it too? Yeah. But then, PvP away from it. You can get some great fights by the crater, in the werewolf/vampire area or even over by the Tower of Bone.</blockquote>Wow! Someone answering my question without being a flamer. Nice. Thank you Aeviel for your response. I know a lot of pvp can be found futher away from the camps but most of it centers around the camp because the Freeps (sorry) don't want travel too far away from the saftey of the carpet. in the last 3-5 nights i've found little pvp outside of the Fair minus random people on the way to the fair to sit next to the carpet!

wellehad0

08-12-2009, 02:40 PM

<cite>Kkolbe wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote>the Q's can use the carpet if they wish to travel to Ss, then to QH, Antonica, TS, Nek forest, CL, DLW. No direct path back. It's not really about ganking so much as trying to have some pvp fun in the middle of a zone without everyone running away and zoning out.!How is it a selfish request to take a carpet in the middle of a zone out? How is it at all on a even playing field when freeps sit in the camp, run out and gank someone not in a group of 8, and then run over to a carpet and zone out and back in for immunity? middle of a zone should be up for pvp, not the same crap you deal with at zone lines.</blockquote>This is an Evil side zone. Q's should not get an ss carpet to DLW, just like Freeps dont get ss carpet routes to q zones. Freeps should have the advantage in DLW. Just like in the caves, only q's can use the bells. This zone is meant for questing, it's just that you q's like to gank noobs in it all day long, so giving them an escape from your nonstop ganking doesn't seem like a bad thing.</blockquote>yes and the freeps should not get a escape point in the middle fo the map.. i really cant thing of any Q T2 zone that has a crapet to zone in and out of.... there is no reason what so ever for the carpet to be in DL when the main city already has one... i dont care about alts doing quest crap unless they start adding carpets to T2 Q zones for there saftey then the freeps should not get one...

Winter12345

08-12-2009, 02:55 PM

<cite>Kkolbe wrote:</cite><blockquote> This zone is meant for questing, it's just that you q's like to gank noobs in it all day long, so giving them an escape from your nonstop ganking doesn't seem like a bad thing.</blockquote>I found this funny how you're saying Q's come to dlw to gank when most freeps invade the caves to kill no geared toons. Hypocritical, much?

Cyntil

08-12-2009, 04:08 PM

Glad to see some people agree with me! Be nice to see it go away.

Killque

08-12-2009, 05:07 PM

Exactly how is this any different than any other one sided zone (CL or Ant Docks, etc)?I guess your response is that it is in the middle of a zone. But honestly man, you are the one standing there at the carpet. Move. Its pretty easy. Try to do something clever like train a crap load of mobs and then feign death (tinker or skill). IDK but please do something other than request content be removed from the game just because you feel they shouldnt be able to run away.Why cant people just learn to play with what they have... get creative for gods sake.

Killque

08-12-2009, 05:08 PM

<cite>Balazarzs@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kkolbe wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote>the Q's can use the carpet if they wish to travel to Ss, then to QH, Antonica, TS, Nek forest, CL, DLW. No direct path back. It's not really about ganking so much as trying to have some pvp fun in the middle of a zone without everyone running away and zoning out.!How is it a selfish request to take a carpet in the middle of a zone out? How is it at all on a even playing field when freeps sit in the camp, run out and gank someone not in a group of 8, and then run over to a carpet and zone out and back in for immunity? middle of a zone should be up for pvp, not the same crap you deal with at zone lines.</blockquote>This is an Evil side zone. Q's should not get an ss carpet to DLW, just like Freeps dont get ss carpet routes to q zones. Freeps should have the advantage in DLW. Just like in the caves, only q's can use the bells. This zone is meant for questing, it's just that you q's like to gank noobs in it all day long, so giving them an escape from your nonstop ganking doesn't seem like a bad thing.</blockquote>yes and the freeps should not get a escape point in the middle fo the map.. i really cant thing of any Q T2 zone that has a crapet to zone in and out of.... there is no reason what so ever for the carpet to be in DL when the main city already has one... i dont care about alts doing quest crap unless they start adding carpets to T2 Q zones for there saftey then the freeps should not get one...</blockquote>Waaaaaaaaaa they get more cool stuff than we do...WaaaaaaaaaaaGrow up.

Kkolbe

08-12-2009, 05:31 PM

Seriously, [Removed for Content] is this Cyntil guy crying about. How long will you be in t3.. one week maybe two? Good call on calling attention to this, I hope they devs don't even waste their time reading this thread.

Cyntil

08-12-2009, 05:43 PM

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote>Exactly how is this any different than any other one sided zone (CL or Ant Docks, etc)?I guess your response is that it is in the middle of a zone. But honestly man, you are the one standing there at the carpet. Move. Its pretty easy. Try to do something clever like train a crap load of mobs and then feign death (tinker or skill). IDK but please do something other than request content be removed from the game just because you feel they shouldnt be able to run away.Why cant people just learn to play with what they have... get creative for gods sake.</blockquote>Train a crap load of mobs and feign death huh? hate to break it to you but we're playing EQ2, not EQ1. Training doesn't work the same way. Those mobs will just break and run back to where they were prior to my Feigning death. Great idea tho? really! Bravo! Has nothing to do with creativity. I kill people on a regular basis but it is still a major advantage to the other side. If you don't have anything constructive to say then don't post at all. If you're going to ask me to be creative, and then post a "creative" idea the least you could do is post something that works.

Cyntil

08-12-2009, 05:47 PM

<cite>Kkolbe wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seriously, [Removed for Content] is this Cyntil guy crying about. How long will you be in t3.. one week maybe two? Good call on calling attention to this, I hope they devs don't even waste their time reading this thread.</blockquote>Please show me where I'm crying. Did you see me say NOT FAIR QQ WE CAN'T DO THIS QQ. no. I pointed out something and senseless people with nothing better to do and no real response like to hit the reply button and say "stop crying". Good job. =) you rock.I'll be in T3 Much longer than a week or two considering I have combat and quest xp off. Thanks for your great response tho!

Kendayar

08-12-2009, 05:52 PM

<cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote>Did you see me say NOT FAIR QQ WE CAN'T DO THIS QQ. no.</blockquote>This is a fallacy. This just came out of your last post. You know, caps lock is not good for your blood pressure, right?

Cyntil

08-12-2009, 05:55 PM

deleted. Took response out of context. Sorry.

Killque

08-12-2009, 06:01 PM

<cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote>Exactly how is this any different than any other one sided zone (CL or Ant Docks, etc)?I guess your response is that it is in the middle of a zone. But honestly man, you are the one standing there at the carpet. Move. Its pretty easy. Try to do something clever like train a crap load of mobs and then feign death (tinker or skill). IDK but please do something other than request content be removed from the game just because you feel they shouldnt be able to run away.Why cant people just learn to play with what they have... get creative for gods sake.</blockquote>Train a crap load of mobs and feign death huh? hate to break it to you but we're playing EQ2, not EQ1. Training doesn't work the same way. Those mobs will just break and run back to where they were prior to my Feigning death. Great idea tho? really! Bravo! Has nothing to do with creativity. I kill people on a regular basis but it is still a major advantage to the other side. If you don't have anything constructive to say then don't post at all. If you're going to ask me to be creative, and then post a "creative" idea the least you could do is post something that works.</blockquote>Yes, because Bruisers dont do this all the time.You realize I am talking about running into a group of mobs, have them attack you, at which point the opportunistic Freep or Q will say, "Hey look Cleatus, that guy there is a gett'n killed by them there Orcs, we have a chance lets get him". Then you, being a clever person, instead of responding to my remark with some overly clever EQ1 jibber jabber, realize you have been engaged by someone, feign death off the mobs and then attempt to kill the person(s) who engaged you.Or you could get someone to chase you into a group of mobs then feign death causing them to reset and agro the person chasing you at which point you can attempt to kill them.Why do I feel like your original post is less viable now that I had to explain this.Boy dont you look like a nubblet.

Kendayar

08-12-2009, 06:07 PM

lol Cleatus

Cyntil

08-12-2009, 06:32 PM

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote>Exactly how is this any different than any other one sided zone (CL or Ant Docks, etc)?I guess your response is that it is in the middle of a zone. But honestly man, you are the one standing there at the carpet. Move. Its pretty easy. Try to do something clever like train a crap load of mobs and then feign death (tinker or skill). IDK but please do something other than request content be removed from the game just because you feel they shouldnt be able to run away.Why cant people just learn to play with what they have... get creative for gods sake.</blockquote>Train a crap load of mobs and feign death huh? hate to break it to you but we're playing EQ2, not EQ1. Training doesn't work the same way. Those mobs will just break and run back to where they were prior to my Feigning death. Great idea tho? really! Bravo! Has nothing to do with creativity. I kill people on a regular basis but it is still a major advantage to the other side. If you don't have anything constructive to say then don't post at all. If you're going to ask me to be creative, and then post a "creative" idea the least you could do is post something that works.</blockquote>Yes, because Bruisers dont do this all the time.You realize I am talking about running into a group of mobs, have them attack you, at which point the opportunistic Freep or Q will say, "Hey look Cleatus, that guy there is a gett'n killed by them there Orcs, we have a chance lets get him". Then you, being a clever person, instead of responding to my remark with some overly clever EQ1 jibber jabber, realize you have been engaged by someone, feign death off the mobs and then attempt to kill the person(s) who engaged you.Or you could get someone to chase you into a group of mobs then feign death causing them to reset and agro the person chasing you at which point you can attempt to kill them.Why do I feel like your original post is less viable now that I had to explain this.Boy dont you look like a nubblet.</blockquote>right. I understand how that works. What I don't understand is a suggesion about them coming after me in the middle of mobs and then FD'ing so it will kill them being a solution to people having a way out of pvp in the middle of a zone. Not only did your post not help at all, it was nowhere even close to coming to any point that had anything do with the oringal content of this topic. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Killque

08-12-2009, 06:36 PM

THE SOLUTION IS THEY CANT LEAVE ONCE ENGAGED. SO GET THEM ENGAGED.Yes, I needed caps.

Cyntil

08-12-2009, 06:38 PM

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote>THE SOLUTION IS THEY CANT LEAVE ONCE ENGAGED. SO GET THEM ENGAGED.Yes, I needed caps.</blockquote>that's great man. So let's all roll bruisers and use this tactic so a carpet in the middle of a zone is of no longer any use. Sounds like a beautiful fix. =) Thanks for the caps too. Wasn't sure I'd get it unless you put it in caps.

Kendayar

08-12-2009, 06:47 PM

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote>THE SOLUTION IS THEY CANT LEAVE ONCE ENGAGED. SO GET THEM ENGAGED.Yes, I needed caps.</blockquote>*feedback* THIS IS THE SHIFT KEY HELD DOWN, NOT CAPS LOCK. REMOVE THE MEGAPHONE FROM YOUR KEYBOARD. STEP AWAY FROM YOUR DESK AND WALK OUT OF THE HOUSE WITH YOUR HANDS UP.

Killque

08-12-2009, 06:57 PM

<cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote>THE SOLUTION IS THEY CANT LEAVE ONCE ENGAGED. SO GET THEM ENGAGED.Yes, I needed caps.</blockquote>that's great man. So let's all roll bruisers and use this tactic so a carpet in the middle of a zone is of no longer any use. Sounds like a beautiful fix. =) Thanks for the caps too. Wasn't sure I'd get it unless you put it in caps.</blockquote>Man, it is really hard to not get this thread "locked" from me personally attacking you here.I mention ONE, yes ONE of the vast many tactics you could use to lure them away from their "safe zone". Please, instead of spending time here asking for zone areas to be removed spend some time in game figuring out a way around it.BTW Bruisers are not the only ones who can feign death. My Dirge can feign death (tinker), Necros can feign death, SKs can feign death. Infact, you dont even need to feign death for that to work, you just have to be able to survive the onslaught of the mobs you have pulled while killing the other person. Look, this isnt rocket science, runners have been a problem since day one. Removing the carpet in the zone will do nothing but make them find another "protected" area. Figure out how to deal with them or /quit because it is really your only option.I will give you one more example because frankly I am done explaining simple things to you. This is your last "bone".Find your evac point, run there unimmune. stand there without buffs and put your AFK tag up. I assure you, you will get pvp. Hell, some probably would engage even if you had your buffs.Good luck it sounds like you will need it.

Killque

08-12-2009, 06:59 PM

<cite>Vanand@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote>THE SOLUTION IS THEY CANT LEAVE ONCE ENGAGED. SO GET THEM ENGAGED.Yes, I needed caps.</blockquote>*feedback* THIS IS THE SHIFT KEY HELD DOWN, NOT CAPS LOCK. REMOVE THE MEGAPHONE FROM YOUR KEYBOARD. STEP AWAY FROM YOUR DESK AND WALK OUT OF THE HOUSE WITH YOUR HANDS UP.</blockquote>I dont get it.

Chisa

08-12-2009, 07:08 PM

If I was getting attacked by a group of freeps. I would run too? I mean no use in me just handing my fame over to them. All you have to do is get some more Q's to take them down.Now on to the topic, I think having a carpet there in SS is awesome and it lets me have an easy way of running from gank fests. No one likes a gank fest.

Cyntil

08-12-2009, 07:51 PM

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote>THE SOLUTION IS THEY CANT LEAVE ONCE ENGAGED. SO GET THEM ENGAGED.Yes, I needed caps.</blockquote>that's great man. So let's all roll bruisers and use this tactic so a carpet in the middle of a zone is of no longer any use. Sounds like a beautiful fix. =) Thanks for the caps too. Wasn't sure I'd get it unless you put it in caps.</blockquote>Man, it is really hard to not get this thread "locked" from me personally attacking you here.I mention ONE, yes ONE of the vast many tactics you could use to lure them away from their "safe zone". Please, instead of spending time here asking for zone areas to be removed spend some time in game figuring out a way around it.BTW Bruisers are not the only ones who can feign death. My Dirge can feign death (tinker), Necros can feign death, SKs can feign death. Infact, you dont even need to feign death for that to work, you just have to be able to survive the onslaught of the mobs you have pulled while killing the other person. Look, this isnt rocket science, runners have been a problem since day one. Removing the carpet in the zone will do nothing but make them find another "protected" area. Figure out how to deal with them or /quit because it is really your only option.I will give you one more example because frankly I am done explaining simple things to you. This is your last "bone".Find your evac point, run there unimmune. stand there without buffs and put your AFK tag up. I assure you, you will get pvp. Hell, some probably would engage even if you had your buffs.Good luck it sounds like you will need it.</blockquote>wow. once again thank you for all this usefull information I had no idea about! necro's and sk's can FD?! you don't say! really REALLY glad I have you around to point these things out to me man. I find it awesome that you mention an AFK tag to get pvp going and i'm sure you could come up with a lot more "creative" ideas like you already have! The simple fact that you have to resort to such things in order to engage in pvp is a sure sign something is not right. Maybe removing the carpet isn't the answer but your constant sarcasim and "brilliant" ideas are not bringing us any closer to solving the problem either. Go flame somewhere else.

Kkolbe

08-12-2009, 07:53 PM

<cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kkolbe wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seriously, [Removed for Content] is this Cyntil guy crying about. How long will you be in t3.. one week maybe two? Good call on calling attention to this, I hope they devs don't even waste their time reading this thread.</blockquote>Please show me where I'm crying. Did you see me say NOT FAIR QQ WE CAN'T DO THIS QQ. no. I pointed out something and senseless people with nothing better to do and no real response like to hit the reply button and say "stop crying". Good job. =) you rock.I'll be in T3 Much longer than a week or two considering I have combat and quest xp off. Thanks for your great response tho!</blockquote>Wow if you get 10 pvp a kills a day youll be lvl 20 in 2 weeks. Dont give me the excuse that you dont play that much, cause if thats the case you shouldnt be qqing on here. Did you wife cheat on you on something? Is that why your so upset about the ss carpet letting noobs get away from your almighty wrath!! Maybe you should level to t4 asap, so your little life can continue without having to think about that naughty ss carpet.. Seriously now that level locking has been shot down, there is even less of a reason for devs to do anything for pvp in lower tiers.

Cyntil

08-12-2009, 07:55 PM

<cite>Nebiru@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>If I was getting attacked by a group of freeps. I would run too? I mean no use in me just handing my fame over to them. All you have to do is get some more Q's to take them down.Now on to the topic, I think having a carpet there in SS is awesome and it lets me have an easy way of running from gank fests. No one likes a gank fest.</blockquote>I agree that being able to get away from a ganking if you stay close to a zone line is playing it safe, but in DLW not only do you have the roaming guards who are KOS you have to deal with a safe zone out in the middle of the zone. I'm not even talking about gankfest in the first place, Anyone I engage and get a jump on can run saftely and get away most of the time because of that center zone out.

Cyntil

08-12-2009, 08:00 PM

<cite>Kkolbe wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kkolbe wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seriously, [Removed for Content] is this Cyntil guy crying about. How long will you be in t3.. one week maybe two? Good call on calling attention to this, I hope they devs don't even waste their time reading this thread.</blockquote>Please show me where I'm crying. Did you see me say NOT FAIR QQ WE CAN'T DO THIS QQ. no. I pointed out something and senseless people with nothing better to do and no real response like to hit the reply button and say "stop crying". Good job. =) you rock.I'll be in T3 Much longer than a week or two considering I have combat and quest xp off. Thanks for your great response tho!</blockquote>Wow if you get 10 pvp a kills a day youll be lvl 20 in 2 weeks. Dont give me the excuse that you dont play that much, cause if thats the case you shouldnt be qqing on here. Did you wife cheat on you on something? Is that why your so upset about the ss carpet letting noobs get away from your almighty wrath!! Maybe you should level to t4 asap, so your little life can continue without having to think about that naughty ss carpet.. Seriously now that level locking has been shot down, there is even less of a reason for devs to do anything for pvp in lower tiers.</blockquote>haha, you're right. If I got 10 pvp kills a day I would be 20 in two weeks. But when you're out in DLW and you only get credit for a kill every 30 mins and 80% of the population hangs out within ear shot of a tent for all around safety you tend to level quite a bit slower. I guess I could level fast if that was what I wanted to do, but I'm not interested in leveling fast. Do me a favor and don't bring your personal issues into this forum. Just because your wife might of cheated on you doesn't mean my wife cheated on me.

Svetty

08-12-2009, 08:48 PM

<cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote>I kill people on a regular basis but it is still a major advantage to the other side.</blockquote>First, it is a freeper zone. Why shouldn't they have some kind of advantage?! Second, Q's can use the carpet too. They just have to go a little farther to get back than the freeps do. This could only be worse if you were a freep whining because Q's have bells in the caves that they can't use.QQ MOAR! Btw, I play a Q and I think you are being ridiculous.

Cyntil

08-12-2009, 08:59 PM

<cite>Svetlanavera@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote>I kill people on a regular basis but it is still a major advantage to the other side.</blockquote>First, it is a freeper zone. Why shouldn't they have some kind of advantage?! Second, Q's can use the carpet too. They just have to go a little farther to get back than the freeps do. This could only be worse if you were a freep whining because Q's have bells in the caves that they can't use.QQ MOAR! Btw, I play a Q and I think you are being ridiculous.</blockquote>They use the carpet to zone in and out and do a gank fest in the center of the zone and can rinse and repeat. Perhaps you do play a Q but most of the pvp in that zone is in the center areas. I'm not whining I'm pointing out something that I believe to be an unfair advantage. The only whiners in this forums are the people who keep whining about how I'm being rediculous! so you QQ more about me writing about something that I choose to bring up!

Svetty

08-12-2009, 09:49 PM

<cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote>They use the carpet to zone in and out and do a gank fest in the center of the zone and can rinse and repeat. Perhaps you do play a Q but most of the pvp in that zone is in the center areas. I'm not whining I'm pointing out something that I believe to be an unfair advantage. The only whiners in this forums are the people who keep whining about how I'm being rediculous! so you QQ more about me writing about something that I choose to bring up!</blockquote>How do they use the carpet to gankfest? If they are engaged they cannot use the carpet. So, really, if they are using it then they aren't ganking people they are running away. Q's can do that, too. They just have a longer run to get back to the zone.I guess the other option would be that they are killing someone and then zoning out and coming back but what's the big deal about that? They come back and have a whole whopping 30 secs of immunity. Oooh, the horror. Kill them when their immunity is up. If they are zoning back through and getting the jump on you because you are hanging out in the middle of the fair then you need to be more aware of your surroundings and maybe you should stop hanging out in the middle of the fair.It is a freeper zone, there is no reason they shouldn't be able to zone back to it. Is the real problem that they are running from you and zoning out before you can kill them? If that's the case then start grouping with someone who can root if you can't. There is no reason that the carpet should be removed or changed. It isn't giving anyone an unfair advantage. This is pvp you need to learn to be aware of your surroundings at all times.

Cyntil

08-12-2009, 10:42 PM

<cite>Svetlanavera@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote>They use the carpet to zone in and out and do a gank fest in the center of the zone and can rinse and repeat. Perhaps you do play a Q but most of the pvp in that zone is in the center areas. I'm not whining I'm pointing out something that I believe to be an unfair advantage. The only whiners in this forums are the people who keep whining about how I'm being rediculous! so you QQ more about me writing about something that I choose to bring up!</blockquote>How do they use the carpet to gankfest? If they are engaged they cannot use the carpet. So, really, if they are using it then they aren't ganking people they are running away. Q's can do that, too. They just have a longer run to get back to the zone.I guess the other option would be that they are killing someone and then zoning out and coming back but what's the big deal about that? They come back and have a whole whopping 30 secs of immunity. Oooh, the horror. Kill them when their immunity is up. If they are zoning back through and getting the jump on you because you are hanging out in the middle of the fair then you need to be more aware of your surroundings and maybe you should stop hanging out in the middle of the fair.It is a freeper zone, there is no reason they shouldn't be able to zone back to it. Is the real problem that they are running from you and zoning out before you can kill them? If that's the case then start grouping with someone who can root if you can't. There is no reason that the carpet should be removed or changed. It isn't giving anyone an unfair advantage. This is pvp you need to learn to be aware of your surroundings at all times.</blockquote>you serious? so you don't think the fact they can use a carpet in the middle of the zone that's away from the zone outs on the edges of a zone as an advantage? You don't see how zoning in and hiting people hard in the middle of the zone and then running over to zone out and back in as a advantage? You don't see that we could do the same but then we have to travel back 5-6 zones to get to the zone and then run back the center again and if we're attacked before we even engage anyone we can use this carpet again but we gotta rezone 6 times?!?! You are crazy if you think it's not a major advantage and staging area around all the pvp in the zone. you don't SEE That advantage?!?!?! "freeper" zone or "Q" zone it does not matter. Zone outs in the middle of Zone are crap. Stop it with your "you must be aware of your surrondings at all time, that's part of pvp" crap. It is a unfair advantage. Period.

Svetty

08-13-2009, 01:38 AM

<cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote>you serious? so you don't think the fact they can use a carpet in the middle of the zone that's away from the zone outs on the edges of a zone as an advantage? You don't see how zoning in and hiting people hard in the middle of the zone and then running over to zone out and back in as a advantage? You don't see that we could do the same but then we have to travel back 5-6 zones to get to the zone and then run back the center again and if we're attacked before we even engage anyone we can use this carpet again but we gotta rezone 6 times?!?! You are crazy if you think it's not a major advantage and staging area around all the pvp in the zone. you don't SEE That advantage?!?!?! "freeper" zone or "Q" zone it does not matter. Zone outs in the middle of Zone are crap. Stop it with your "you must be aware of your surrondings at all time, that's part of pvp" crap. It is a unfair advantage. Period.</blockquote>I never said it wasn't an advantage for them. I said it wasn't an unfair advantage. Seriously, all I am getting from what you are saying is "blah, blah, blah...I am all [Removed for Content] that I wasn't paying attention and a bunch of freeps zoned in from SS and killed me" and "I thought I would be cool and run away from the pvp that was kicking my butt by zoning into SS but then I had to run all the way back and it tooooook so long. OMGWTFBBQ!!!!!11111!!!!eleventyone!!!!1"They can't zone out if they are engaged just like anywhere else so just kill them or stop hanging out in the middle of the fair. Really the solutions are easy.

Cyntil

08-13-2009, 02:46 AM

<cite>Svetlanavera@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote>you serious? so you don't think the fact they can use a carpet in the middle of the zone that's away from the zone outs on the edges of a zone as an advantage? You don't see how zoning in and hiting people hard in the middle of the zone and then running over to zone out and back in as a advantage? You don't see that we could do the same but then we have to travel back 5-6 zones to get to the zone and then run back the center again and if we're attacked before we even engage anyone we can use this carpet again but we gotta rezone 6 times?!?! You are crazy if you think it's not a major advantage and staging area around all the pvp in the zone. you don't SEE That advantage?!?!?! "freeper" zone or "Q" zone it does not matter. Zone outs in the middle of Zone are crap. Stop it with your "you must be aware of your surrondings at all time, that's part of pvp" crap. It is a unfair advantage. Period.</blockquote>I never said it wasn't an advantage for them. I said it wasn't an unfair advantage. Seriously, all I am getting from what you are saying is "blah, blah, blah...I am all [Removed for Content] that I wasn't paying attention and a bunch of freeps zoned in from SS and killed me" and "I thought I would be cool and run away from the pvp that was kicking my butt by zoning into SS but then I had to run all the way back and it tooooook so long. OMGWTFBBQ!!!!!11111!!!!eleventyone!!!!1"They can't zone out if they are engaged just like anywhere else so just kill them or stop hanging out in the middle of the fair. Really the solutions are easy.</blockquote>Like I orginally posted it was more about them having the ability to run a short distance in the center of the zone and getting out safely. I rarely die and it has little to nothing to do with a ganking at the fair. When I mentioned that they run out and gank and then go zone if attacked by others I was speaking for others that I see it constantly happen to. I'm currently 200+ and 14 deaths. (as of tonight) so their is no [Removed for Content] on this end. Maybe you're speaking from personal experiences in DLW? Should prolly seek some help for that =(

Ahlana

08-13-2009, 02:53 AM

Easy solution just make it so people can't zone once they engage in PVP combat... oh wait.. that is already in?I kid.. I kid.. No really, I see no problem with the carpet it is a quick zone out for low level chars in a heavy quest area... the bells in other low level areas are always pretty close to the questing (ie caves, ruins, ect). Neriak only has one low level area and that is DLW so it makes sense to give the lowbies a quick out. Though I must admit what is fair for one... I do not recall such an out for Kelethan citizens but that may be because their city is actually in the same zone so mayhaps it wasn't deemed necessary... who knows.I think it should stay, but I won't cry if it goes.

Svetty

08-13-2009, 11:07 AM

<cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote>Like I orginally posted it was more about them having the ability to run a short distance in the center of the zone and getting out safely. I rarely die and it has little to nothing to do with a ganking at the fair. When I mentioned that they run out and gank and then go zone if attacked by others I was speaking for others that I see it constantly happen to. I'm currently 200+ and 14 deaths. (as of tonight) so their is no [Removed for Content] on this end. Maybe you're speaking from personal experiences in DLW? Should prolly seek some help for that =(</blockquote>Q's can run that short distance to the carpet and zone out if they are getting attacked, as well. The only difference is they have to go through multiple zones to get back. It is a freeper zone so that is the way it should be. Also, no I have no problem with how anything in DLW is. I am not stupid enough to hang out in the fair for long periods of time so I haven't ever been ganked there.

Killque

08-13-2009, 12:31 PM

<cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote>THE SOLUTION IS THEY CANT LEAVE ONCE ENGAGED. SO GET THEM ENGAGED.Yes, I needed caps.</blockquote>that's great man. So let's all roll bruisers and use this tactic so a carpet in the middle of a zone is of no longer any use. Sounds like a beautiful fix. =) Thanks for the caps too. Wasn't sure I'd get it unless you put it in caps.</blockquote>Man, it is really hard to not get this thread "locked" from me personally attacking you here.I mention ONE, yes ONE of the vast many tactics you could use to lure them away from their "safe zone". Please, instead of spending time here asking for zone areas to be removed spend some time in game figuring out a way around it.BTW Bruisers are not the only ones who can feign death. My Dirge can feign death (tinker), Necros can feign death, SKs can feign death. Infact, you dont even need to feign death for that to work, you just have to be able to survive the onslaught of the mobs you have pulled while killing the other person. Look, this isnt rocket science, runners have been a problem since day one. Removing the carpet in the zone will do nothing but make them find another "protected" area. Figure out how to deal with them or /quit because it is really your only option.I will give you one more example because frankly I am done explaining simple things to you. This is your last "bone".Find your evac point, run there unimmune. stand there without buffs and put your AFK tag up. I assure you, you will get pvp. Hell, some probably would engage even if you had your buffs.Good luck it sounds like you will need it.</blockquote>wow. once again thank you for all this usefull information I had no idea about! necro's and sk's can FD?! you don't say! really REALLY glad I have you around to point these things out to me man. I find it awesome that you mention an AFK tag to get pvp going and i'm sure you could come up with a lot more "creative" ideas like you already have! The simple fact that you have to resort to such things in order to engage in pvp is a sure sign something is not right. Maybe removing the carpet isn't the answer but your constant sarcasim and "brilliant" ideas are not bringing us any closer to solving the problem either. Go flame somewhere else.</blockquote>You are clueless. No wonder you cant get out of t3.The only problem is your innability to hack it in pvp.I am not flamining, I am saying there is no problem that needs to be fixed. It is my opinion (and pretty much everone elses too from the looks of it).The bell on KP docks is anoying, but you dont see me coming here asking for it to be removed. I am much more resourceful than that.

Cyntil

08-13-2009, 12:36 PM

<cite>Svetlanavera@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote>Like I orginally posted it was more about them having the ability to run a short distance in the center of the zone and getting out safely. I rarely die and it has little to nothing to do with a ganking at the fair. When I mentioned that they run out and gank and then go zone if attacked by others I was speaking for others that I see it constantly happen to. I'm currently 200+ and 14 deaths. (as of tonight) so their is no [Removed for Content] on this end. Maybe you're speaking from personal experiences in DLW? Should prolly seek some help for that =(</blockquote>Q's can run that short distance to the carpet and zone out if they are getting attacked, as well. The only difference is they have to go through multiple zones to get back. It is a freeper zone so that is the way it should be. Also, no I have no problem with how anything in DLW is. I am not stupid enough to hang out in the fair for long periods of time so I haven't ever been ganked there. </blockquote>nor have I Svet. Like I said (now for the 3rd time for those who didn't see it the first two times) the post was about the insane easy mode given to the toons in the zone being able to run a shot distance when away from Neriak and zoneline to CL or Nek Forest and still managing to be able to get away. The gank fest that does take place is also something that I have seen but can be easily avoided by not hanging out at the fair.I think the general attitude of playing around the game mechanics and using ideas such as "get them to attack you in the middle of mobs and thinking they have a easy kill and then FD!!" or "put up a AFK tag and then kill them when they attack you" is a sign that something is not right in that area. More than likely tho you're all right and even if they took the carpet out they would migrate to a different area of safety. But if they still wish to continue questing on a server, where pvp is part of it all, then I belive risk is part of it. RIght now it's very little risk unless you get rolled over by a group.

Cyntil

08-13-2009, 12:38 PM

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote>THE SOLUTION IS THEY CANT LEAVE ONCE ENGAGED. SO GET THEM ENGAGED.Yes, I needed caps.</blockquote>that's great man. So let's all roll bruisers and use this tactic so a carpet in the middle of a zone is of no longer any use. Sounds like a beautiful fix. =) Thanks for the caps too. Wasn't sure I'd get it unless you put it in caps.</blockquote>Man, it is really hard to not get this thread "locked" from me personally attacking you here.I mention ONE, yes ONE of the vast many tactics you could use to lure them away from their "safe zone". Please, instead of spending time here asking for zone areas to be removed spend some time in game figuring out a way around it.BTW Bruisers are not the only ones who can feign death. My Dirge can feign death (tinker), Necros can feign death, SKs can feign death. Infact, you dont even need to feign death for that to work, you just have to be able to survive the onslaught of the mobs you have pulled while killing the other person. Look, this isnt rocket science, runners have been a problem since day one. Removing the carpet in the zone will do nothing but make them find another "protected" area. Figure out how to deal with them or /quit because it is really your only option.I will give you one more example because frankly I am done explaining simple things to you. This is your last "bone".Find your evac point, run there unimmune. stand there without buffs and put your AFK tag up. I assure you, you will get pvp. Hell, some probably would engage even if you had your buffs.Good luck it sounds like you will need it.</blockquote>wow. once again thank you for all this usefull information I had no idea about! necro's and sk's can FD?! you don't say! really REALLY glad I have you around to point these things out to me man. I find it awesome that you mention an AFK tag to get pvp going and i'm sure you could come up with a lot more "creative" ideas like you already have! The simple fact that you have to resort to such things in order to engage in pvp is a sure sign something is not right. Maybe removing the carpet isn't the answer but your constant sarcasim and "brilliant" ideas are not bringing us any closer to solving the problem either. Go flame somewhere else.</blockquote>You are clueless. No wonder you cant get out of t3.</blockquote>lol. I could be out of T3 in a day if I wanted to level hard into it. I already have a 80 toon on another server. Leveling is not an issue.

Killque

08-13-2009, 12:46 PM

Dear Developers:<ol><li>One time someone evaced from me: Please remove evac</li><li>One time someone ran faster than me: Please remove run speeds</li><li>One time someone zoned away from me: Please remove zoning</li><li>One time someone camped out in front of me: Please remove the ability to camp</li></ol>

Cyntil

08-13-2009, 12:51 PM

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote>Dear Developers:<ol><li>One time someone evaced from me: Please remove evac</li><li>One time someone ran faster than me: Please remove run speeds</li><li>One time someone zoned away from me: Please remove zoning</li><li>One time someone camped out in front of me: Please remove the ability to camp</li></ol></blockquote>least you're not extreme. Never seen someone get so defensive over the idea of a carpet being removed. funny how you are QQing non stop about the idea of a carpet being removed. I simply wanted to talk about it and all I get from you is nothing but petty insults and lots of lame ideas.

Killque

08-13-2009, 01:00 PM

This QQ thing is really dumb btw. Everyone should stop using it.The carpet needs to stay. I am not crying I am stating my opinion on the matter (again, also pretty much everyone elses opinon). I gave you some other options to try and get more kills but you are not very receptive it seems. You call it ridiculous, I call it a challenge.Running up to someone and killing them is fun, and from your bragging about the 200/16 ratio it appears it is not very challeneging for you. Figuring out how to trick someone so you can kill them is a challenge, but it seems to me that you are really not interested in a challenge and are only here for the easy kills.Im here for the challenge of the game, what exactly are you here for?

kreepr

08-13-2009, 01:05 PM

The carpet has been there since they put DLW in. It's not going any where no matter how much you complain about it. You need to understand how this zone is broken up compared to other starting zones like it. It's a quest hub you look at the other quest hubs that are comparable and there is a zone out right there close enough to use. It's not going to change. Look at the caves, the main quest hub you have a bell with a guard standing right next to it. I have had many a fight in the caves to just sit there and watch the Q I am attacking play bell tag. So I would either have everyone target and hit the same Q and we would drop them or I would move out in the zone hide and ambush them. We can't even use the Bell in the caves at least everyone can use the carpet. Killque gave you some good ideas maybe you should roll with them.

Cyntil

08-13-2009, 01:12 PM

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote>This QQ thing is really dumb btw. Everyone should stop using it.The carpet needs to stay. I am not crying I am stating my opinion on the matter (again, also pretty much everyone elses opinon). I gave you some other options to try and get more kills but you are not very receptive it seems. You call it ridiculous, I call it a challenge.Running up to someone and killing them is fun, and from your bragging about the 200/16 ratio it appears it is not very challeneging for you. Figuring out how to trick someone so you can kill them is a challenge, but it seems to me that you are really not interested in a challenge and are only here for the easy kills.Im here for the challenge of the game, what exactly are you here for?</blockquote>well I'm glad you feel it needs to stay. Maybe next time you can state that in a manner that doesn't require the need to throw insults someones way. I was not bragging, I was desputing the claim of someone saying I was running away crying because I was getting ganked at the fair. Tricking someone into attacking you by putting up a /afk sign should not be seen as a challange. How hard is that to do? really? park yourself somewhere and /afk? I think you have your thinking backwards. The Challange should be for the people out questing on a pvp server knowing someone could be watching and about to engage at any moment. Not the otherway around where you have to get creative to get them to attack you because the zones setup on Easy mode.

Killque

08-13-2009, 01:18 PM

You are helpless.Killque out.PS. Keep the carpet.

Cyntil

08-13-2009, 01:21 PM

<cite>kreepr13 wrote:</cite><blockquote>The carpet has been there since they put DLW in. It's not going any where no matter how much you complain about it. You need to understand how this zone is broken up compared to other starting zones like it. It's a quest hub you look at the other quest hubs that are comparable and there is a zone out right there close enough to use. It's not going to change. Look at the caves, the main quest hub you have a bell with a guard standing right next to it. I have had many a fight in the caves to just sit there and watch the Q I am attacking play bell tag. So I would either have everyone target and hit the same Q and we would drop them or I would move out in the zone hide and ambush them. We can't even use the Bell in the caves at least everyone can use the carpet. Killque gave you some good ideas maybe you should roll with them.</blockquote>I don't understand how someone trying to dicuss something is automaticly seen as compaling and crying by this community? Just because something has been a certain way since it's been put it doesn't mean it won't change. Perhaps the quest hubs need to be moved form the zone outs then in both areas?!

Cyntil

08-13-2009, 01:23 PM

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote>You are helpless.Killque out.PS. Keep the carpet.</blockquote> wish I could keep the carpet <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Azekah1

08-13-2009, 01:41 PM

this thread is pointless

Kkolbe

08-13-2009, 03:13 PM

<cite>Svetlanavera@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cyntil wrote:</cite><blockquote>you serious? so you don't think the fact they can use a carpet in the middle of the zone that's away from the zone outs on the edges of a zone as an advantage? You don't see how zoning in and hiting people hard in the middle of the zone and then running over to zone out and back in as a advantage? You don't see that we could do the same but then we have to travel back 5-6 zones to get to the zone and then run back the center again and if we're attacked before we even engage anyone we can use this carpet again but we gotta rezone 6 times?!?! You are crazy if you think it's not a major advantage and staging area around all the pvp in the zone. you don't SEE That advantage?!?!?! "freeper" zone or "Q" zone it does not matter. Zone outs in the middle of Zone are crap. Stop it with your "you must be aware of your surrondings at all time, that's part of pvp" crap. It is a unfair advantage. Period.</blockquote>I never said it wasn't an advantage for them. I said it wasn't an unfair advantage. Seriously, all I am getting from what you are saying is "blah, blah, blah...I am all [Removed for Content] that I wasn't paying attention and a bunch of freeps zoned in from SS and killed me" and "I thought I would be cool and run away from the pvp that was kicking my butt by zoning into SS but then I had to run all the way back and it tooooook so long. OMGWTFBBQ!!!!!11111!!!!eleventyone!!!!1"They can't zone out if they are engaged just like anywhere else so just kill them or stop hanging out in the middle of the fair. Really the solutions are easy.</blockquote>This reply made me laugh. This is probably exactly what happened to him. lol.. I really like the added !!!!!11111!!!!eleventyone!!!!1. I might have to start using that eleventyone in the middle of my !!11!111..:p

Svetty

08-13-2009, 03:48 PM

<cite>Kkolbe wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Svetlanavera@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I never said it wasn't an advantage for them. I said it wasn't an unfair advantage. Seriously, all I am getting from what you are saying is "blah, blah, blah...I am all [Removed for Content] that I wasn't paying attention and a bunch of freeps zoned in from SS and killed me" and "I thought I would be cool and run away from the pvp that was kicking my butt by zoning into SS but then I had to run all the way back and it tooooook so long. OMGWTFBBQ!!!!!11111!!!!eleventyone!!!!1"They can't zone out if they are engaged just like anywhere else so just kill them or stop hanging out in the middle of the fair. Really the solutions are easy.</blockquote>This reply made me laugh. This is probably exactly what happened to him. lol.. I really like the added !!!!!11111!!!!eleventyone!!!!1. I might have to start using that eleventyone in the middle of my !!11!111..:p</blockquote>hehe I am glad someone besides me got a laugh out of that.