A few Brigand questions regarding PVP

[Paranormal_Researcher]

<p>I am returning after having been away for a while (months) and was wondering if there have been any changes to the Brigand class during my time away.</p><p>If so, what was changed?</p><p>When I left many people often told me they believed Brigands to be one of the top few classes when rated for raw power (which as anyone knows is a position that gets a LOT of negative attention and often called "easy/op/newb" or worse) and there was a rather high number of them running around. I am currently thinking of making one for a roleplay idea and was wondering if I will still face the same criticism.</p><p>Also, any and all info/description that anyone has to contribute in regards to Brigands is awesome and more than welcome.</p><p>Anything from why you think they are too strong/not too strong to how to fight against one or as one.</p><p>With that being said, lets not make this an attack thread and get it locked please, just the facts, no suggesting class nerfs.</p><p>Thanks in advance to everyone that replies <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Darkor]

<p><cite>Paranormal_Researcher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am returning after having been away for a while (months) and was wondering if there have been any changes to the Brigand class during my time away.</p><p>If so, what was changed?</p><p>When I left many people often told me they believed Brigands to be one of the top few classes when rated for raw power (which as anyone knows is a position that gets a LOT of negative attention and often called "easy/op/newb" or worse) and there was a rather high number of them running around. I am currently thinking of making one for a roleplay idea and was wondering if I will still face the same criticism.</p><p>Also, any and all info/description that anyone has to contribute in regards to Brigands is awesome and more than welcome.</p><p>Anything from why you think they are too strong/not too strong to how to fight against one or as one.</p><p>With that being said, lets not make this an attack thread and get it locked please, just the facts, no suggesting class nerfs.</p><p>Thanks in advance to everyone that replies <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Things changed, brigands are now settled somewhere in the middle. Any decent tank will give you a run for your money. Crusaders, brawler and even Warrior will totally destroy you. Ive fought a Berserker earlier and we fought him 2 vs 1 and he healed for 41k during that fight without any diety spells. Solo it would not even had been close for me.</p><p>Enchanters (illusionist and coercer) will also give you some kind of trouble. A good enchanter is kinda unbeatable unless you are lucky on resists.</p><p>Well sorcerers are possbile and i rate em a 50 50 chance.</p><p>Scouts are pretty much the only class that i have no problem with unless they are totally overequipped.</p><p>Mind you, this is all about T8.</p>

[Killque]

<p><cite>Darkor@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Paranormal_Researcher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am returning after having been away for a while (months) and was wondering if there have been any changes to the Brigand class during my time away.</p><p>If so, what was changed?</p><p>When I left many people often told me they believed Brigands to be one of the top few classes when rated for raw power (which as anyone knows is a position that gets a LOT of negative attention and often called "easy/op/newb" or worse) and there was a rather high number of them running around. I am currently thinking of making one for a roleplay idea and was wondering if I will still face the same criticism.</p><p>Also, any and all info/description that anyone has to contribute in regards to Brigands is awesome and more than welcome.</p><p>Anything from why you think they are too strong/not too strong to how to fight against one or as one.</p><p>With that being said, lets not make this an attack thread and get it locked please, just the facts, no suggesting class nerfs.</p><p>Thanks in advance to everyone that replies <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Things changed, brigands are now settled somewhere in the middle. Any decent tank will give you a run for your money. Crusaders, brawler and even Warrior will totally destroy you. Ive fought a Berserker earlier and we fought him 2 vs 1 and he healed for 41k during that fight without any diety spells. Solo it would not even had been close for me.</p><p>Enchanters (illusionist and coercer) will also give you some kind of trouble. A good enchanter is kinda unbeatable unless you are lucky on resists.</p><p>Well sorcerers are possbile and i rate em a 50 50 chance.</p><p>Scouts are pretty much the only class that i have no problem with unless they are totally overequipped.</p><p>Mind you, this is all about T8.</p></blockquote><p>This sounds very correct from my experience. so I will QFE (quote for ephasis).</p>

[Zacarus]

<p><cite>Darkor@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Paranormal_Researcher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am returning after having been away for a while (months) and was wondering if there have been any changes to the Brigand class during my time away.</p><p>If so, what was changed?</p><p>When I left many people often told me they believed Brigands to be one of the top few classes when rated for raw power (which as anyone knows is a position that gets a LOT of negative attention and often called "easy/op/newb" or worse) and there was a rather high number of them running around. I am currently thinking of making one for a roleplay idea and was wondering if I will still face the same criticism.</p><p>Also, any and all info/description that anyone has to contribute in regards to Brigands is awesome and more than welcome.</p><p>Anything from why you think they are too strong/not too strong to how to fight against one or as one.</p><p>With that being said, lets not make this an attack thread and get it locked please, just the facts, no suggesting class nerfs.</p><p>Thanks in advance to everyone that replies <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Things changed, brigands are now settled somewhere in the middle. Any decent tank will give you a run for your money. Crusaders, brawler and even Warrior will totally destroy you. Ive fought a Berserker earlier and we fought him 2 vs 1 and he healed for 41k during that fight without any diety spells. Solo it would not even had been close for me.</p><p>Enchanters (illusionist and coercer) will also give you some kind of trouble. A good enchanter is kinda unbeatable unless you are lucky on resists.</p><p>Well sorcerers are possbile and i rate em a 50 50 chance.</p><p>Scouts are pretty much the only class that i have no problem with unless they are totally overequipped.</p><p>Mind you, this is all about T8.</p></blockquote><p>I disagree.  A well played brigand is very near the top of the heap.Enchanters are so easy to beat its silly.  Seriously?  If they get the jump on you, yes, you're dead, but shame on you for letting that happen (same can be said for a lot of classes with the possible exception of rangers and trubs).A brigand should have a 50/50 chance against a crusader.  If the crusader can pop a FoM pot first, yes the brig probably dies.  However if the brig gets the jump, a good brig should be able to shut down a crusader.Once a (well played) brig gets you in their clutches, you're dead (unless you're a good brawler).</p>

[Sprin]

<p>If a brig gets the jump on most classes its lights out.  and seeing as they have track and safehouse etc etc you should get the jump most of the time.  If you dont get the jump, you dont have to fight, its that simple....</p><p>That being said there are certain classes that it makes no difference if you get the jump or not on them.....  mostly tank classes...</p><p>and of course it all depends on gear and skill of both players... a brig that starts to fight a poorly geared bruiser with little skill at their class = easy win... a brig that starts a fight with a well equipped bruiser that knows their class = brig gets used as toilet paper before being disposed of...</p><p>just remember your class defining abilities and take some tiem to learn other classes abilities..... just like with any class you play... don't go into every fight with every class thinking you can do the same spells in the same orders....  some classes its ok if they see you coming, so go ahead and fight em... some classes if they see you coming your little more then a walking corpse waiting to happen...</p><p>it seems like most of the players that are well versed at exploiting spells and game mechanics are briggands.... for whatever that is worth, i guess there is a lot of things to exploit about the class....</p>

[Killque]

<p><cite>Zacarus@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Darkor@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Paranormal_Researcher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am returning after having been away for a while (months) and was wondering if there have been any changes to the Brigand class during my time away.</p><p>If so, what was changed?</p><p>When I left many people often told me they believed Brigands to be one of the top few classes when rated for raw power (which as anyone knows is a position that gets a LOT of negative attention and often called "easy/op/newb" or worse) and there was a rather high number of them running around. I am currently thinking of making one for a roleplay idea and was wondering if I will still face the same criticism.</p><p>Also, any and all info/description that anyone has to contribute in regards to Brigands is awesome and more than welcome.</p><p>Anything from why you think they are too strong/not too strong to how to fight against one or as one.</p><p>With that being said, lets not make this an attack thread and get it locked please, just the facts, no suggesting class nerfs.</p><p>Thanks in advance to everyone that replies <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Things changed, brigands are now settled somewhere in the middle. Any decent tank will give you a run for your money. Crusaders, brawler and even Warrior will totally destroy you. Ive fought a Berserker earlier and we fought him 2 vs 1 and he healed for 41k during that fight without any diety spells. Solo it would not even had been close for me.</p><p>Enchanters (illusionist and coercer) will also give you some kind of trouble. A good enchanter is kinda unbeatable unless you are lucky on resists.</p><p>Well sorcerers are possbile and i rate em a 50 50 chance.</p><p>Scouts are pretty much the only class that i have no problem with unless they are totally overequipped.</p><p>Mind you, this is all about T8.</p></blockquote><p>I disagree.  A well played brigand is very near the top of the heap.Enchanters are so easy to beat its silly.  Seriously?  If they get the jump on you, yes, you're dead, but shame on you for letting that happen (same can be said for a lot of classes with the possible exception of rangers and trubs).A brigand should have a 50/50 chance against a crusader.  If the crusader can pop a FoM pot first, yes the brig probably dies.  However if the brig gets the jump, a good brig should be able to shut down a crusader.Once a (well played) brig gets you in their clutches, you're dead (unless you're a good brawler).</p></blockquote><p>I disagree with you. Chanters have nearly an instant cast mez that is rarely resisted. Once you are mezed you are in effect, dead. Yes a brigand can and wll kill chanters and coercers but they do aslo die to them, and quite often. I would call that fight maybe 50/50 to 60/40 at best.</p><p>Crusaiders, ha. With Crit mit, and the crazy awesome spells they get for surviveability and the heaps of dps they output a Paladin or SK can easily beat even the best brigands. I am speaking from my observations. Zerkers are deadly, but SKs and Pallys own the top of the mountain atm. I would say these fights are 80/20 in favor of the Crusaider.</p>

[Fluffypaws]

<p>crit mit and uncontested block > a brig getting the jump, true story</p>

[ulleulle]

<p>Brigands ayy.</p><p>Vs enchanter.</p><p>If clickys up u stand a good chance of winning.</p><p>If clickys on cooldown u loose.</p><p>Pretty simple</p><p>Vs crusaders.</p><p>Roll over and hand him his update and save ur-self the humiliation.</p><p>The only Crusader you will kill is a terrible geared one with low amount of AA.</p><p>Who ever says a brigand has 50/50 vs crusader should show some videos of that happening.And plz equally geared fights only =)</p><p>But with that being said,brigands are great fun to play and offers alot of freedom, mainly due to safehouse.This fedom can also be ur downfall due to the risk-taking involved when using safehouse.</p><p>I cant count how many times i have died just becasue i wanted to hold on safehousing away untill the best moment,sadly that moment dosent always come and hence u sometimes die instead =)</p><p>In conclusion.</p><p>Fun class overall.</p><p>Not a monster like it was back in the days, but curtainly not a push over either.</p><p>Freedom in playing.</p><p>Bad in grp pvp due to lag+positional requirements. (you wanna go with swashy for that)</p><p>Good for solo.(Brig over swashy for this imo)</p><p>Cheers</p><p>jabib</p>

[Paranormal_Researcher]

<p>Wow thats a lot more than I expected guys, and its very welcome!</p><p>Thanks a lot, and if anyone has anything to add please feel free to do so!</p>

[jam3]

<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDBnp09oPaU" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDBnp09oPaU</a></p><p>easiest class in eq2 pvp.</p>

[Darkor]

<p><cite>Aeeron@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDBnp09oPaU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDBnp09oPaU</a></p><p>easiest class in eq2 pvp.</p></blockquote><p>In that video will you see real quick that all his opponents are nowhere as good equipped as him. Taking a closer look you will see that most people are also either not fighting back or only fighting with half health.</p><p>Go to the top of the thread and read what i wrote. How many "decent" crusaders did he kill? how many "decent" brawler did he kill? Was there a "decent" berserker anywhere?</p><p>Show me a video where he fights froglegg or pudaan or anyone else whos equippment level is like his in a real one vs one and not right in dregs landing where its impossible to have a "correct" fight.</p><p>Take a look at all the fights with CC. He kinda uses ALL he has - including manastone 2, signets and more. If thats what you need to kill certain classes then good luck cause all that stuff is a 30 min reuse timer and i would hate to rely on that.</p>

[Paikis]

<p>Frogleg was in that video.</p>

[Darkor]

<p><cite>Paikis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Frogleg was in that video.</p></blockquote><p>You mean that fight where he used manastone 2 (to break the mez), greater relic of clear voice (1+ minut stifle immunity) and safehoused RIGHT BEHIND HIM? You mean that fight where it took frogleg dmg worth of 2 CAs before he even noticed someone is hitting him? that fight with all those things the brigand used and STILL almost lost? yeah i saw that <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Paranormal_Researcher]

<p>While Youtube videos can be impressive, I consider them kinda like acting. You have as many takes as you want to get it right.</p><p>For sure, anyone can put together a long run of all the fights they win. Infact, if you care to browse youtube you can find a similar video for almost any class from necro to SK.</p><p>Personally, I would much rather take the word of someone with 5 level 80's among 3 different archtypes than trust a brag video. But aside from trust it doesnt impress me either as 1 win is simply 1 win, it doesnt mean the winner is the stronger character.</p><p>I've gotten lucky and killed SK's on my illusionist in ways that would make for great videos but I've also made the same attempts then got crit HT'd in ways that would make for great laughs. Ask yourself which one you would share on the intarwebz?</p>

[ulleulle]

<p>This the problem with pvp videos,they only show what you what want to show =9</p><p>very very biased stuff.</p><p>Cheers</p><p>Jabib</p>

[Paikis]

<p><cite>Darkor@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Paikis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Frogleg was in that video.</p></blockquote><p> You mean that fight where he used manastone 2 (to break the mez), greater relic of clear voice (1+ minut stifle immunity) and safehoused RIGHT BEHIND HIM? You mean that fight where it took frogleg dmg worth of 2 CAs before he even noticed someone is hitting him? that fight with all those things the brigand used and STILL almost lost? yeah i saw that <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>HOLY JEBUS! You mean the scout got the jump on a mage? Who woulda thunk it? Stop the freekin press!<span ><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>Paranormal_Researcher</em></span></strong></span><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em> wrote:</em></span></strong></p><blockquote><p>Personally, I would much rather take the word of someone with 5 level 80's among 3 different archtypes than trust a brag video</p></blockquote><p>I have 5 level 80s among all 4 archtypes, ive also played 4 of their counter-classes (so 9 classes at level 80) and I say brigands are the easiest PvP toons (with the possible exception of crusaders).</p>

[Cloakentuna]

<p><cite>Paikis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Frogleg was in that video.</p></blockquote><p>True facts, he won't fight me unless everything is up, and that includes his FJ.  He still loses 99% of the time, its kinda sad you can have the gear he has, use god spells, and still be so bad.</p><p>I get better fights out of Jabib and other brigs who fight me straight.</p>

[Cyst]

<p><cite>Paikis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Darkor@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Paikis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Frogleg was in that video.</p></blockquote><p> You mean that fight where he used manastone 2 (to break the mez), greater relic of clear voice (1+ minut stifle immunity) and safehoused RIGHT BEHIND HIM? You mean that fight where it took frogleg dmg worth of 2 CAs before he even noticed someone is hitting him? that fight with all those things the brigand used and STILL almost lost? yeah i saw that <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>HOLY JEBUS! You mean the scout got the jump on a mage? Who woulda thunk it? Stop the freekin press!<span><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>Paranormal_Researcher</em></span></strong></span><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em> wrote:</em></span></strong></p><blockquote><p>Personally, I would much rather take the word of someone with 5 level 80's among 3 different archtypes than trust a brag video</p></blockquote><p>I have 5 level 80s among all 4 archtypes, ive also played 4 of their counter-classes (so 9 classes at level 80) and <strong><span style="color: #ff0000; font-size: medium;">I say brigands are the easiest PvP toons (with the possible exception of crusaders).</span></strong></p></blockquote><p>Have you noticed the player of the Brigand Darkor now has a Paladin, and a Shadow Knight too? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Bloodfa]

<p><cite>Cyst@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Paikis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Darkor@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Paikis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Frogleg was in that video.</p></blockquote><p> You mean that fight where he used manastone 2 (to break the mez), greater relic of clear voice (1+ minut stifle immunity) and safehoused RIGHT BEHIND HIM? You mean that fight where it took frogleg dmg worth of 2 CAs before he even noticed someone is hitting him? that fight with all those things the brigand used and STILL almost lost? yeah i saw that <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>HOLY JEBUS! You mean the scout got the jump on a mage? Who woulda thunk it? Stop the freekin press!<span><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>Paranormal_Researcher</em></span></strong></span><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em> wrote:</em></span></strong></p><blockquote><p>Personally, I would much rather take the word of someone with 5 level 80's among 3 different archtypes than trust a brag video</p></blockquote><p>I have 5 level 80s among all 4 archtypes, ive also played 4 of their counter-classes (so 9 classes at level 80) and <strong><span style="font-size: medium; color: #ff0000;">I say brigands are the easiest PvP toons (with the possible exception of crusaders).</span></strong></p></blockquote><p>Have you noticed the player of the Brigand Darkor now has a Paladin, and a Shadow Knight too? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Shocking.</p>

[Sprin]

<p><cite>Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cyst@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Paikis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Darkor@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Paikis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Frogleg was in that video.</p></blockquote><p> You mean that fight where he used manastone 2 (to break the mez), greater relic of clear voice (1+ minut stifle immunity) and safehoused RIGHT BEHIND HIM? You mean that fight where it took frogleg dmg worth of 2 CAs before he even noticed someone is hitting him? that fight with all those things the brigand used and STILL almost lost? yeah i saw that <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>HOLY JEBUS! You mean the scout got the jump on a mage? Who woulda thunk it? Stop the freekin press!<span><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>Paranormal_Researcher</em></span></strong></span><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em> wrote:</em></span></strong></p><blockquote><p>Personally, I would much rather take the word of someone with 5 level 80's among 3 different archtypes than trust a brag video</p></blockquote><p>I have 5 level 80s among all 4 archtypes, ive also played 4 of their counter-classes (so 9 classes at level 80) and <strong><span style="font-size: medium; color: #ff0000;">I say brigands are the easiest PvP toons (with the possible exception of crusaders).</span></strong></p></blockquote><p>Have you noticed the player of the Brigand Darkor now has a Paladin, and a Shadow Knight too? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Shocking.</p></blockquote><p>Its always easy to tell which is the current most OP class in the game.. all the talentless newbs drop what they are doing and make those toons and then start posting on here about how they are NOT OP.....  its a cycle that will continue till the end of time...</p><p>Brigs were, now they arent and SK's have taken their place... so all the brigs that denied being massively OP a few months ago are now on their SK's saying the same things...     thats not to say Brigs arent OP, its just SK's are more so, so they have dropped their easy mode toon to make and play the supereasy mode class</p>

[Jeht]

<p>lol @ spring, who is an illy, talking about anyone else being op</p>

[Cyst]

<p><cite>Jeht@Vox wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>lol @ spring, who is an illy, talking about anyone else being op</p></blockquote><p>You lose to Illy's? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Jeht]

<p>sometimes, they have some nasty control effects</p>

[Sadussa]

<p><cite>Paranormal_Researcher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am returning after having been away for a while (months) and was wondering if there have been any changes to the Brigand class during my time away.</p><p>If so, what was changed?</p><p>When I left many people often told me they believed Brigands to be one of the top few classes when rated for raw power (which as anyone knows is a position that gets a LOT of negative attention and often called "easy/op/newb" or worse) and there was a rather high number of them running around. I am currently thinking of making one for a roleplay idea and was wondering if I will still face the same criticism.</p><p>Also, any and all info/description that anyone has to contribute in regards to Brigands is awesome and more than welcome.</p><p>Anything from why you think they are too strong/not too strong to how to fight against one or as one.</p><p>With that being said, lets not make this an attack thread and get it locked please, just the facts, no suggesting class nerfs.</p><p>Thanks in advance to everyone that replies <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I am guessing the info you recieved on brigs was b4 the fix....back when brigs were only avail to freep or xile brigs were broke....no matter  what combat art that was cast by brig the debuff for that combat ALWAYS landed even if the combat art missed or was blocked or parried...this was a huge advantage for the brig.....once all classes were avail to both sides they were fixed...no longer is a debuff a certain hit.</p><p>Thats why you dont see as many as u use to..The only ones that own are the very well geared brigs...</p><p>Thats why all you see now are SKSK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK Sk SKSK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK Sk SKSK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK Sk SKSK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK Sk SKSK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK Sk SKSK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK Sk SKSK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK Sk SKSK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK SK Sk</p>

[Sadussa]

<p><cite>Froggleg@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Paikis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Frogleg was in that video.</p></blockquote><p>True facts, he won't fight me unless everything is up, and that includes his FJ.  He still loses 99% of the time, its kinda sad you can have the gear he has, use god spells, and still be so bad.</p><p>I get better fights out of Jabib and other brigs who fight me straight.</p></blockquote><p>You actually got jabib to fight? Wow gratz.  All I ever see him do is jump around and screen drag unless he is in a grp at the kp docs and the freeps out number the Q 3 to 1.</p>

[ulleulle]

<p><cite>Sadussa wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Froggleg@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Paikis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Frogleg was in that video.</p></blockquote><p>True facts, he won't fight me unless everything is up, and that includes his FJ.  He still loses 99% of the time, its kinda sad you can have the gear he has, use god spells, and still be so bad.</p><p>I get better fights out of Jabib and other brigs who fight me straight.</p></blockquote><p>You actually got jabib to fight? Wow gratz.  All I ever see him do is jump around and screen drag unless he is in a grp at the kp docs and the freeps out number the Q 3 to 1.</p></blockquote><p>=) somebody is hurt here ?</p><p>And before u make ur-self look even worse i might aswell tell u this.</p><p>What you think is screendrag is actually an ability called safehouse.</p><p>But other then that nice to hear from you,you sound like an experienced player with opinions that matters......NOT!</p><p>Cheers</p><p>Jabib</p>

[Urgol]

<p>You say as if there are decent crusaders on lagafen You know what, there are 2 top to bottom avatar geared brigands on HD, and their pvp skill is one of the highest I have seen. Still, they can hardly scratch a 7-pve-set-tso-instance-jewelry shadowkinghts. Yes they can heal for some 30k+ in one fight, but that is of little use if the SK can triple that in a long run. Yes, you can kill pretty much everyone in a duel via draining their mana by mana poison, priests especially, but that takes up to 30+ min of kiting and fails miserably if your target has some sort of toxic backlash effect. And that doesnt work in real pvp in the field. So all in all, you will be able to kill almost anyone except for zerkers and crusaders if you catch them unaware, but that is hard to impossible agains anyone with some skill to pvp, with or without track. And if you fail to jump on your target, your chances diminish.</p>