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Darkor

08-04-2009, 04:20 PM

I saw a thread somewhere about this topic but i cant remember where i saw it. Today ive killed someone and immeaditly crashed to desktop, no error, no nothing. As soon as the player died my eq2 shut down.

Wytie

08-04-2009, 04:35 PM

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Darkor

08-09-2009, 01:05 PM

Why do i crash everytime i kill the same people?

yohann koldheart

08-09-2009, 03:52 PM

its a hack, and since your a freep and are encounting it , it looks like its being used by both sides now. i first seen it last week in KP.last week in kp vekk was running it, litteraly anyone that entered combat with him would LD as soon as they did, and he would kill them before they were kicked from the game. at first i thought it was maby people in the same area loosing their connection but it wasent . it was anyone that entered a fight with him reguardless of whare you were. a few frappsed it and screenshotted it happening and petitioned but since soe has to litteraly see you cheating nothing will happen.

BlueEternal

08-09-2009, 07:05 PM

Some people are idiots on these forums. With that out of the way, I've encountered this same bug numerous times (as seen by my posts in the linked thread). I'm wondering if i had to do with some weird combat bug like the famous Xebnok crashing that took place awhile ago.

yohann koldheart

08-09-2009, 07:15 PM

wouldnt call it a bug, if it is certain people exploit it . for more then 10 mins we watched every player that attacked the guy in kp go ld as soon as they started attacking him. even the rangers that were at ranged, first bow shot that hit him boom ld.

BlueEternal

08-09-2009, 07:28 PM

I ran around ROK zones for about 2 hours yesterday pvping, I would attack/kill ppl and crash out of no where. I believe I crashed 5-6 times. Some of these people were just random green/blue cons, im sure some people actually buy into all that "Tault hacks" bs but give me a break. Plenty of people have experienced this, i've /bugged it numerous times and even petitioned with crash logs..it's the least you could do.

yohann koldheart

08-09-2009, 07:42 PM

if you read the OP's post you will see he's not crashing randomly out of nowhare . only when he attacks / kills a player . the SAME player.key word being same player....

BlueEternal

08-09-2009, 07:44 PM

<cite>Darkor@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>I saw a thread somewhere about this topic but i cant remember where i saw it. Today ive killed someone and immeaditly crashed to desktop, no error, no nothing. As soon as the player died my eq2 shut down.</blockquote>To me that sounds like he killed a random person once and crashed to desktop. I don't see him mentioning killing the same player over and over and crashing.. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />Edit : Ok now I see the post in this thread../smackforehead

Cloakentuna

08-09-2009, 09:24 PM

<cite>Naroc@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Some people are idiots on these forums. With that out of the way, I've encountered this same bug numerous times (as seen by my posts in the linked thread). I'm wondering if i had to do with some weird combat bug like the famous Xebnok crashing that took place awhile ago.</blockquote>No, it is not similar. The Xebnok thing was occuring because the charmed fighter was attacking the not charmed one who had his avoidance check, and when teh avoidance check would proc, producing the result of X tries to crush Y, but X parries for Y, the game would get confused and dump half the people to desktop.I havent crashed since I disabled voice chat though, but others are saying they still are.

Darkor

08-10-2009, 04:24 AM

I do not believe people are exploiting it, i believe its a strange bug. I would like to make clear that i get thrown back to desktop when i KILL someone. Not when i attack someone. So it doesnt make so much sense to use it to avoid dying unless you want to annoy the people. The reason why i said its happening on the same player is because ive crashed now twice when attacking the same enchanter. We can speculate all day if its a known exploit, a strange bug or whatever. What we need now is some serious dev power to get rid of this crashes.

Chisa

08-10-2009, 05:04 AM

I cant say I have had very many issues with going LD during a fight. Maybe once or twice it happend to me but I have crappy internet so I always assumed it was just my connection. But I am wondering even if it was a hack how on earth does an exsploit like that get access to your computer to shut a program down? I am not very computer smart so to speak so this all just confuses the heck out of me.

Darkor

08-10-2009, 05:29 AM

<cite>Nebiru@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I cant say I have had very many issues with going LD during a fight. Maybe once or twice it happend to me but I have crappy internet so I always assumed it was just my connection. But I am wondering even if it was a hack how on earth does an exsploit like that get access to your computer to shut a program down? I am not very computer smart so to speak so this all just confuses the heck out of me.</blockquote>Well this is not about going LD. That is a totally different thing.During those fights something happens that the game cannot handle. The game shuts down immeaditly back to desktop without an error message. This makes it very hard to track down unfortunaly.

Chisa

08-10-2009, 05:32 AM

<cite>Darkor@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>During those fights something happens that the game cannot handle. The game shuts down immeaditly back to desktop without an error message. This makes it very hard to track down unfortunaly.</blockquote>Thanks for clearing that up for me. I really dont see any point in cheating, I mean where is the fun in that? It really irks me when someone has to cheat to win in PvP. Oh well I guess there is nothing we can really do about it since SoE abviously doesnt care to fix the issues. IMO they should make it like WoW where they are allowed to access your CPU to see if you are running a third party program.

Darkor

08-10-2009, 06:12 AM

<cite>Nebiru@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Darkor@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>During those fights something happens that the game cannot handle. The game shuts down immeaditly back to desktop without an error message. This makes it very hard to track down unfortunaly.</blockquote>Thanks for clearing that up for me. I really dont see any point in cheating, I mean where is the fun in that? It really irks me when someone has to cheat to win in PvP. Oh well I guess there is nothing we can really do about it since SoE abviously doesnt care to fix the issues. IMO they should make it like WoW where they are allowed to access your CPU to see if you are running a third party program.</blockquote>Just to give you a general idea what actually can happen that makes a game or a zone crash.In the raid zone tombs of mad crusader is an encounter which has to be dual tanked by 2 tanks. One tank will get charmed several times during the fight. Now you have tank1 tank him and tank2 taking over soon before the charm hits (the charm is timeable so whenever the charm comes tank2 takes quickly over the aggro). Now have tank2 gives tank 1 his avoidance buff and tank2 gets charmed. Now tank2 hits tank1 who has his own avoidance buff and he starts avoiding his own hits. Everyone in the raid got thrown back to desktop whenever this happend. Atleast this was, what ive been told the reason for all these crashes, makes sense tho.

Kiara

08-10-2009, 03:31 PM

I'll pass the issue along to the team. We will not bring guild drama or flames to these forums.I've made my position on this very clear and if it continues, the PvP discussion forums will be put on time out again.Thank you.

Killque

08-10-2009, 04:56 PM

<cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'll pass the issue along to the team. We will not bring guild drama or flames to these forums.I've made my position on this very clear and if it continues, the PvP discussion forums will be put on time out again.Thank you.</blockquote>Hold the phone...We are paying real life money for this treatment?

kreepr

08-10-2009, 05:30 PM

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'll pass the issue along to the team. We will not bring guild drama or flames to these forums.I've made my position on this very clear and if it continues, the PvP discussion forums will be put on time out again.Thank you.</blockquote>Hold the phone...We are paying real life money for this treatment?</blockquote>Yeah thats kinda what I was thinking as well.Kinda going over board with the locks and the deleting. Next there gonna tell us what we can and can't talk abou.... Never mind cant talk about that.............

Chisa

08-10-2009, 05:34 PM

Raidyen

08-10-2009, 05:38 PM

SoE is not a democracy. Not sure what the problem is with a company wanting to keep thier communications forums a clean and respectful place. You want to get into a guild vs guild forum battle, take it to EQ2flames. Now as far as this bug, i do think it is just that, a bug. It seems to only happen in Kunark zones, particularly around KP docks. Happens to both me and my wife several times. It only happens when somebody dies. Doesnt always happen to both of us though, and not always on the same player. Its very unpredictable. Last week we got into a 3 vs 3 where we killed the first guy just fine, killed the second guy, and both me and my wife crashed right to Desktop at the same time. Luckly our 3rd could beat thier 3rd solo so it wasnt to big a deal, but we have lost fights because of it.

Kiara

08-10-2009, 05:39 PM

Folks, we go through this every few months.There are rules on these forums, by which you agree to abide. Those rules include no blacklisting and no flaming.I allow a great deal of latitude on the PvP forums, however, I cannot and will not have any one person or guild continuously singled out for flames and nasty treatment. Whether they deserve it in the minds of their server mates or not.Attacking me over enforcing these rules, won't change them. So kindly return to the civil behaviour of which I know you are all capable.Please and thank you.

Killque

08-10-2009, 07:23 PM

<cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote>Folks, we go through this every few months.There are rules on these forums, by which you agree to abide. Those rules include no blacklisting and no flaming.I allow a great deal of latitude on the PvP forums, however, I cannot and will not have any one person or guild continuously singled out for flames and nasty treatment. Whether they deserve it in the minds of their server mates or not.Attacking me over enforcing these rules, won't change them. So kindly return to the civil behaviour of which I know you are all capable.Please and thank you.</blockquote>Honestly, if you are having issues with particular individuals they should be dealt with on an individual basis. Threatening to shut down the entire pvp forum because a select few decide to push the rules borders on [Removed for Content] type mentality. I respect that you have policies, but understand that we are also paying customers. Case and point, I was once suspended from the forums for a week as I “didn’t follow the rules”. I fully understand your need to enforce your rules for the enjoyment of your other customers, but please think about a different approach. I think we are all tired of seeing the locked threads and ban sticks flying around. Take care of the problem at its root.To my fellow posters: If you have something that belongs on flames, please go there. I certainly do. Keep our forums enjoyable. You know what I mean. We can discuss things with passion, just don’t cross the line.Here is the statement we all live by at my company:The below is taken from a plaque on the desk of our CEO/President of our 1+ Billion Dollar, Fortune 500 Company. (Literally, I have it in front of me and am typing it word for word, less the company name).What is a ACME Customer?A customer is the most important person at ACME.A customer is not dependent on us. We are dependent on them. We are in a partnership for existence.A customer is not an interruption of our work. They are the purpose of it.A customer does us a favor when they use our services. We aren’t doing them a favor when we perform our services.A customer is an essential part of our business – a partner, not an outsider. A customer doesn’t just earn income for our company. They are human beings with feelings and deserve to be treated with respect.A customer is a person who comes to us with their needs, wants and problems. It is our job to fulfill them.A customer deserves the most courteous attention we can give them. They are the lifeblood of our business. Our customers pay our salaries. Without satisfied customers we would have to close our doors.

Cloakentuna

08-10-2009, 07:46 PM

Crash, log in, kill 2 people, crash, log in, kill a few people, crash, log in, get ganked by an x2, crash. Screw that.And to top it all off, now when I truy to log in I get this receiving zone info kick to character select and am being told that Nagafen is down. Seriously, this crap is getting really really old.

Chisa

08-10-2009, 08:22 PM

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote>Folks, we go through this every few months.There are rules on these forums, by which you agree to abide. Those rules include no blacklisting and no flaming.I allow a great deal of latitude on the PvP forums, however, I cannot and will not have any one person or guild continuously singled out for flames and nasty treatment. Whether they deserve it in the minds of their server mates or not.Attacking me over enforcing these rules, won't change them. So kindly return to the civil behaviour of which I know you are all capable.Please and thank you.</blockquote>Honestly, if you are having issues with particular individuals they should be dealt with on an individual basis. Threatening to shut down the entire pvp forum because a select few decide to push the rules borders on [Removed for Content] type mentality. I respect that you have policies, but understand that we are also paying customers. Case and point, I was once suspended from the forums for a week as I “didn’t follow the rules”. I fully understand your need to enforce your rules for the enjoyment of your other customers, but please think about a different approach. I think we are all tired of seeing the locked threads and ban sticks flying around. Take care of the problem at its root.To my fellow posters: If you have something that belongs on flames, please go there. I certainly do. Keep our forums enjoyable. You know what I mean. We can discuss things with passion, just don’t cross the line.Here is the statement we all live by at my company:The below is taken from a plaque on the desk of our CEO/President of our 1+ Billion Dollar, Fortune 500 Company. (Literally, I have it in front of me and am typing it word for word, less the company name).What is a ACME Customer?A customer is the most important person at ACME.A customer is not dependent on us. We are dependent on them. We are in a partnership for existence.A customer is not an interruption of our work. They are the purpose of it.A customer does us a favor when they use our services. We aren’t doing them a favor when we perform our services.A customer is an essential part of our business – a partner, not an outsider. A customer doesn’t just earn income for our company. They are human beings with feelings and deserve to be treated with respect.A customer is a person who comes to us with their needs, wants and problems. It is our job to fulfill them.A customer deserves the most courteous attention we can give them. They are the lifeblood of our business. Our customers pay our salaries. Without satisfied customers we would have to close our doors.</blockquote>I couldnt agree with you more. Too bad SoE doesnt follow the same philosephy. I can sympathize with them as an adult. A lot of their "customers" are in fact children who's parents pay for their accounts. I do believe children should be treated as children and nothing more. It really makes it hard for them to follow this way of thinking when you have a lot of kids running around. It is not the children who pay for this service it is their parents.

Raidyen

08-10-2009, 09:05 PM

Comparing a fortune 500 company policies in principle with an online game forum is like comparing apples and oranges. Those principles in a normal business atmosphere can and do apply for the most part. However most business know thier customers by first names, (i know i do) and thier customers tend to return the respect they are given. However in an online forum atmosphere, you have hundreds if not thousands of completely anonymous posters thats soul purpose is to start some form of crusade against "the man", i.e. SoE and thier employees for whatever reason. Leaving gaming companies with little choice other then to treat these posts like children. Sucks when calm and like minded adults get caught up in it, but it happens.With the exception of a single dev, SoE does an exceptionally good job with thier customers, even the kids, particularly when you compare them to other online gaming companies.Sorry to sidetrack the thread even more, just wanted to get my 2cp in.Back to trying to fix this rather annoying bug <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Darkor

08-11-2009, 03:53 AM

Lets go back on topic. I kindly ask you all to move your discussion elsewhere, but please not in this thread.Deekin said its happening mainly in kylong near dregs. Ive crashed now in Fens. So far this has only happend to me on kunark area. Do we have any other important information?

Chisa

08-11-2009, 04:12 AM

<cite>Darkor@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Lets go back on topic. I kindly ask you all to move your discussion elsewhere, but please not in this thread.Deekin said its happening mainly in kylong near dregs. Ive crashed now in Fens. So far this has only happend to me on kunark area. Do we have any other important information?</blockquote>I am going off topic for just a second. I didnt realize it was you Darkor till just now. I used to group with a lot over a year ago on your lowbie Q you had. I believe your GF at the time had an elf mage of some kind that she grouped with us. I was really good friends with Klayia the lvl 80 Q Warden, and I was Skyarrie (SP?) Cant remember how I spelled my name exactly back then. But I was a lvl 30 Mystic in Exalted. I remember you being the best lvl 80 (brigand or swashy cant remember which). On the Freep Side. Anyway just wanted to say hi :] I also talked with you on Exalted's Vent server a lot. You had the German accent and everything was awesome.Now on to the dc'ing thing. I dont know if TD is part of RoK or not (I wasnt around when they released that Xpack). But I get Dc'd a lot there when starting to attack certain people. Dont know if that helps but yeah. EDIT: P.S. Its ok if you dont remember me. I never really made a name for myself back then and was quite the little newblet.

Wytie

08-11-2009, 11:53 AM

To the people who crash to desktop after they kill someone you guys should list some of the proc items you have. And maybe review some of the proc items you opponet has exp if you crash when killing the same people.For some reason Im getting the feeling you all may have an item or items that might be causeing it when something else happens in conjunction of sometihng else that procs for your target.Im sure most of you have reviewed you logs but can you see what your fatal blows are? Maybe theres something procing after they die and is bugging your client cause you killed them.Sounds like one of your procs are bugging on one of there procs and crashes the client on death.

Raidyen

08-11-2009, 12:01 PM

Ill check my logs for that tonight Pail. Although i dont think it could be any one proc or spell because my wife has gone link dead on a target where i havent, and vice versa, and then we have both gotten sent to desktop at the same time for the same kill. The only thing thats been consistent so far is that it only happens in kunark (just around dregs for us). That might just be thats because the majority of our fights happen there though.Ill hit some pvp tonight if i can find any and see if i can fraps it happening.

Cloakentuna

08-11-2009, 12:02 PM

<cite>Paill@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>To the people who crash to desktop after they kill someone you guys should list some of the proc items you have. And maybe review some of the proc items you opponet has exp if you crash when killing the same people.For some reason Im getting the feeling you all may have an item or items that might be causeing it when something else happens in conjunction of sometihng else that procs for your target.Im sure most of you have reviewed you logs but can you see what your fatal blows are? Maybe theres something procing after they die and is bugging your client cause you killed them.Sounds like one of your procs are bugging on one of there procs and crashes the client on death.</blockquote> I wasn't wearing any proc gear last night and I crashed at least 5 times.

Wytie

08-11-2009, 12:20 PM

<cite>Froggleg@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Paill@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>To the people who crash to desktop after they kill someone you guys should list some of the proc items you have. And maybe review some of the proc items you opponet has exp if you crash when killing the same people.For some reason Im getting the feeling you all may have an item or items that might be causeing it when something else happens in conjunction of sometihng else that procs for your target.Im sure most of you have reviewed you logs but can you see what your fatal blows are? Maybe theres something procing after they die and is bugging your client cause you killed them.Sounds like one of your procs are bugging on one of there procs and crashes the client on death.</blockquote> I wasn't wearing any proc gear last night and I crashed at least 5 times.</blockquote>Maybe the person you killed was, there has to be some kinda common factor since a few of you crash all the time and some of you say its after you kill some of the same people.