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GoatSlave
10-15-2008, 08:24 AM
I have been reading about the SO expansion pre-order items…one that I am curious about is the Direbear pet/mount (I have sworn not to ever ride a stupid carpet). Would anyone happen to know, or know of a place where more information can be obtained on the pet to mount progression/speed/and availability? Also some actual screenshots would be great. I guess that this pet will be on 1 pet per account basis? TIA

bryldan
10-15-2008, 09:27 AM
Well considering the expansion is still under NDA they would not be able to tell you any of that information even if it is on the beta server yet.

Iseabeil
10-15-2008, 09:31 AM
<p>Since its a pre-order bonus for retail, I doubt even a lack of NDA would have made any difference on available information.</p><p>As for looks, the pre-order page has one.. looks kinda like a warg with slight body changes to me tho.</p><p><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive_content.vm?id=1927&section=News&locale=en_US" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/...mp;locale=en_US</a></p>

bryldan
10-15-2008, 10:01 AM
Very true. I just am not sure if they send any of the preorder stuff to beta or not. It would afterall not be a hard thing to test considering it is just one object.

NecroVoid
10-15-2008, 10:15 AM
And here is another question...does the preorder only get this mount? On the expansions forum there is a thread and in it it states that the boxed version will have it as well. This appeared to have come from SOE so what to believe? I am a box kinda person so I always prefer to get it that way.

Sir Longsword
10-15-2008, 10:18 AM
How fast is the mount? 

Zyxx
10-15-2008, 10:29 AM
Retail pre-orders get the mount, digital pre-orders do not.  There is a caged void beast house item for the digital pre-orders as a reward.

RoryBradwarden
10-15-2008, 10:33 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>How fast is the mount?  </blockquote>A lot of people will be able to make a decision when this one is answered.  And will All Characters get it or only 1.

Felshades
10-15-2008, 10:49 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>How fast is the mount?  </blockquote>A lot of people will be able to make a decision when this one is answered.  And will All Characters get it or only 1.</blockquote>it looks like to me it starts out as a pet, then becomes your mount at a later level.. but no specific details are set.

DragonMaster2385
10-15-2008, 10:52 AM
bummer, I will be doing the download option. I preordered the box once and the store didn't get it on the shelves until 3 days after launch.

NecroVoid
10-15-2008, 10:57 AM
Ok so that I fully understand. If was to preorder from Gamestop for example, would I get this mount? Or do I need to preorder a boxed version from SOE?I am just trying to be 100% certain as to what I have to do.

bleap
10-15-2008, 10:58 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>bummer, I will be doing the download option. I preordered the box once and the store didn't get it on the shelves until 3 days after launch. </blockquote>Yep, in typical fashion every pre order retail I have ever ordered from EQ1 and 2 have always came late...NOW I do live in the boonies.....Baltimore is SO out in the woods...not....

RoryBradwarden
10-15-2008, 11:02 AM
<cite>NecroVoid wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok so that I fully understand. If was to preorder from Gamestop for example, would I get this mount? Or do I need to preorder a boxed version from SOE?I am just trying to be 100% certain as to what I have to do.</blockquote>Gamestop=mount

Sir Longsword
10-15-2008, 11:02 AM
<cite>NecroVoid wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok so that I fully understand. If was to preorder from Gamestop for example, would I get this mount? Or do I need to preorder a boxed version from SOE?I am just trying to be 100% certain as to what I have to do.</blockquote>I'm getting the feeling no one is going to get an answer about anything.  It would require c-o-m-m-u-n-i-c-a-t-i-o-n, which is too much to ask. 

Vinador
10-15-2008, 11:27 AM
<p>So the Dire bear cub grows with you?  </p><p>I thought this was going to be the case with the orignal Collector's edition dragon.  I expected to  have my flying mount by now.</p>

Arcueid
10-15-2008, 11:37 AM
<p>Ah the baby dragon, brings back memories..funny how it was NOT no trade and I was able to trade it for a mere gold or two from a tradeskill pioneer.</p><p>This player had a pokemon collection of baby dragons in his Qeynos apartment!</p>

cronar
10-15-2008, 01:52 PM
I would have no problem ordering from gamestop or ebgames or whatever, but they only set up for delivery. Skip that and just give me walk up and grab it from the kid in the store.

Cusashorn
10-15-2008, 02:08 PM
<p>You know that mount is not going to be anything more than 50% run speed at most. Probably 42% like most non-guild mounts.</p><p>That said, the Digital Download has much MUCH more appeal to me.</p>

Curs3
10-15-2008, 02:12 PM
whenever i beta tested jump to lightspeed we where able to test the new speeder.  It makes sense for the new mount to be in beta as well to test for bugs in that too.

Ranger13
10-16-2008, 02:03 AM
<p>I'm curious about those of us that attended Fan Faire.</p>

Oh
10-16-2008, 02:23 AM
<p>For those interested in the mount speeds and what it is per level. Here is a quote from the preorder thread in the community section.</p><p><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>HAH!!  Found it.Mount info!<ul><li>Available as a summoned pet from 1-19, after that, becomes a mount. </li><li>Becomes a mount at level 20 - 20% run speed. </li><li>Increase in run speed at level 40 - 30% run speed and armored appearance. </li><li>Increase in run speed at level 60 - 45% run speed and increased armor appearance. </li><li>Increase in run speed at level 80 - 52% run speed and increased armor appearance.</li></ul><p>This item is 1 per character.</p></blockquote>

Daysy
10-16-2008, 03:06 AM
As a pet, is it a combat pet or fluff?

Oh
10-16-2008, 03:19 AM
<cite>Daysy wrote:</cite><blockquote>As a pet, is it a combat pet or fluff?</blockquote>Mostlikely just fluff, although I didn't see that exact question answered.

LygerT
10-16-2008, 04:40 AM
<cite>Ranger1325 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'm curious about those of us that attended Fan Faire.</p></blockquote><p>how far down the road do you want to keep getting stuff?</p><p>as for the dire bear, you just go into one of those advertised pre-order stores and tell the guy at the counter "i want to pre-order the new EQ2 expansion, The Shadow Odyssey", wait 'til they call you up and you go pick it up, done. </p>

Ranger13
10-16-2008, 05:48 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ranger1325 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'm curious about those of us that attended Fan Faire.</p></blockquote><p>how far down the road do you want to keep getting stuff?</p><p>as for the dire bear, you just go into one of those advertised pre-order stores and tell the guy at the counter "i want to pre-order the new EQ2 expansion, The Shadow Odyssey", wait 'til they call you up and you go pick it up, done. </p></blockquote><p> As if I'm just throwing out that question with no merit behind it...</p><p> Thank you for jumping to conclusions, sir.</p>

Killerbee3000
10-16-2008, 11:19 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ranger1325 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'm curious about those of us that attended Fan Faire.</p></blockquote><p>how far down the road do you want to keep getting stuff?</p><p>as for the dire bear, you just go into one of those advertised pre-order stores and tell the guy at the counter "i want to pre-order the new EQ2 expansion, The Shadow Odyssey", wait 'til they call you up and you go pick it up, done. </p></blockquote><p>Sure, you somehow forget that in most stores you walk in, the second you mention eq2 there are two possible reactions:</p><p>a) laughter</p><p>b) they have no clue what you are talking about.</p>

Na
10-16-2008, 12:26 PM
<cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>For those interested in the mount speeds and what it is per level. Here is a quote from the preorder thread in the community section.</p><p><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>HAH!!  Found it.Mount info!<ul><li>Available as a summoned pet from 1-19, after that, becomes a mount. </li><li>Becomes a mount at level 20 - 20% run speed. </li><li>Increase in run speed at level 40 - 30% run speed and armored appearance. </li><li>Increase in run speed at level 60 - 45% run speed and increased armor appearance. </li><li>Increase in run speed at level 80 - 52% run speed and increased armor appearance.</li></ul><p>This item is 1 per character.</p></blockquote></blockquote>I wonder if the "This item is 1 per character." statement is still true.  If you look at the SO pre-order page there is an asterisk after the "In-Game Dire Bear Pet and Mount" description.  If you read the small print at the bottom, part of the text says "one (1) in-game item per account; items are not transferrable".  That makes me think that it's only 1 dire bear per account not per character.

GrunEQ
10-16-2008, 02:51 PM
<span style="font-size: small;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;">Pre-ordered box set at GameStop today, they had no info on the direbear pewter figurine.  Clerk said maybe they might come with the order.  Claimed they had no EQ or EQ2 stuff on the shelves.  Saw a list in the store of games coming out.....guess who wasn't listed.  But I saw displays and listings and games for WoW.  Amazing how SOE plans to keep this game viaible.  <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />   Like previous posters have suggested/wished is for a way to get both the mounts and the house items.  As one suggested...pay a little extra....as they have already institued miro-sales.</span>

Felshades
10-16-2008, 04:02 PM
<cite>Killerbee3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ranger1325 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'm curious about those of us that attended Fan Faire.</p></blockquote><p>how far down the road do you want to keep getting stuff?</p><p>as for the dire bear, you just go into one of those advertised pre-order stores and tell the guy at the counter "i want to pre-order the new EQ2 expansion, The Shadow Odyssey", wait 'til they call you up and you go pick it up, done. </p></blockquote><p>Sure, you somehow forget that in most stores you walk in, the second you mention eq2 there are two possible reactions:</p><p>a) laughter</p><p>b) they have no clue what you are talking about.</p></blockquote>thats why you preorder it online, and then walk up to your favorite store and pick it up.then have them look at you like 'i didnt know that game still existed' and laugh at THEM.i never preorder games in the store.  i dont want people judging me based on a game i'm looking for in a store.  if you preorder online and pick it up, you can always claim its a gift for someone else you know if they look at ya funny.gg

Ilucide
10-16-2008, 04:17 PM
I can totally answer some of these questions! As you level, your bear grows with you.<ul><li>From 1 to 19, he's a little bearcub that follows you around.</li><li>From 20 to 39, he grows up and you can ride him around (a 20% speed mount).</li><li>From 40 to 59, he gets a saddle, and some more speed (30%).</li><li>From 60 to 79, he gains armor, and more speed (40%).</li><li>At 80, he's fully grown. He has a full set of armor & saddle and is as fast as he'll ever get (52%).</li></ul>The bear is available with the retail box.Hope that helps!

Bloodba
10-16-2008, 04:18 PM
I went to Gamestop to preorder my copy and the lady working there said I was the first person in her 1 year of working there to ask about EQ2.  It was funny and sucked at the same time.

Ilucide
10-16-2008, 04:20 PM
Strangely - I totally missed the second page of this. Sorry for the double info. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Yimway
10-16-2008, 04:47 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>I went to Gamestop to preorder my copy and the lady working there said I was the first person in her 1 year of working there to ask about EQ2.  It was funny and sucked at the same time.</blockquote>Seems people aren't so interested in buying retail games that are 4 years old.  In fact, I know my local gametop will likely only order 4 copies at best.  I'll walk in again on release day and ask for 6 of them, and I'm sure I'll walk out empty handed and go home and grab the digital download.

Bloodba
10-16-2008, 04:48 PM
Thanks Ilucide.  Always cool when a Dev answers one of the questions so that we dont have to go off rumors and educated guesses.

Wilin
10-16-2008, 05:01 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>I went to Gamestop to preorder my copy and the lady working there said I was the first person in her 1 year of working there to ask about EQ2.  It was funny and sucked at the same time.</blockquote><p>Don't believe everything you hear from the employees. I used to be a manager for an EB/Gamestop and won some awards. If an employee is a fanboi for a competing game, they sometimes make comments to degrade your enjoyment of a game and oftentimes try to sell you their favorite game. I'm not saying that you encountered that particular behavior, but I wouldn't believe random comments that might reduce your chances of buying the product. But, you quickly figure out that the games that are prefered by the staff are the ones that get the most positive visibility.</p><p>IOW, SOE should start a Gamestop employee enrichment program to increase the visibility of their products to the employees that are going to sell them. If the Gamestop employees don't care about your product, then your sales will probably blow unless your releasing the current incarnation of Madden or Halo.</p>

Aintdeadyet
10-16-2008, 05:01 PM
We pick up copies of EQ2 at best buy (brick store)  in Ohio. 

Norrsken
10-16-2008, 05:01 PM
<cite>Ilucide wrote:</cite><blockquote>Strangely - I totally missed the second page of this. Sorry for the double info. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Must be because of the annoying bug with the forums that cause some threads with several pages to not display the pages on the forum. A tad annoying tbh.

Ilucide
10-16-2008, 05:46 PM
Yep - that's exactly the reason. Bugs the everliving <-!-> out of me, too. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Ovidious
10-16-2008, 05:51 PM
<cite>Ilucide wrote:</cite><blockquote>I can totally answer some of these questions! As you level, your bear grows with you.<ul><li>From 1 to 19, he's a little bearcub that follows you around.</li><li>From 20 to 39, he grows up and you can ride him around (a 20% speed mount).</li><li>From 40 to 59, he gets a saddle, and some more speed (30%).</li><li>From 60 to 79, he gains armor, and more speed (40%).</li><li>At 80, he's fully grown. He has a full set of armor & saddle and is as fast as he'll ever get (52%).</li></ul>The bear is available with the retail box.Hope that helps!</blockquote>Thanks for that confirmation, but one more thing, is it one per account or one per character?Thanks

Malikor
10-16-2008, 06:07 PM
Well I assume these pre-order bonus gifts follow suit of their predecessor rewards be available to all characters on the account the pre-order was purchased for or will it be limited item with only a few available as one per account?

KillSlow
10-16-2008, 06:41 PM
pls confirm if its one per account or one per characterit its one per characteri think i am going to the storeaccount i am going digital download

Ilucide
10-16-2008, 06:56 PM
It's one per character.

Gomora_Toad
10-16-2008, 07:03 PM
Could someone please tell us if the bear mount makes the screen bounce up and down while riding it, like wargs? I'd like to get one, but I'm going to be more than a bit upset if I order this version and discover that the special item is useless to me because it makes me motion sick.

Arianah
10-16-2008, 07:13 PM
<cite>Ilucide wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's one per character.</blockquote>Oh! What about the painting? I definately want it on my main since I'm a huge lore fan, but my alt is a Halfling - and thought it'd be nice to place it in both houses <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

MonkeyBob
10-16-2008, 07:21 PM
<p>Seeing as you are being so nice and helpful in this post, Ilucide,<b> </b>can you please tell me how I can get the mount when it is impossible for me to purchase the game "retail" in my country?</p><p>No retail chain stocks EQ2 in New Zealand.</p>

jolissa3
10-16-2008, 07:36 PM
<cite>MonkeyBobNz wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Seeing as you are being so nice and helpful in this post, Ilucide,<b> </b>can you please tell me how I can get the mount when it is impossible for me to purchase the game "retail" in my country?</p><p>No retail chain stocks EQ2 in New Zealand.</p></blockquote><p>And Australia (and many other countries I suspect).</p><p>I totally understand the need to offer retail bonuses so retailers support the product, but in Australia, I don't even think SOE has a distributor. If you do please let us know who it is, so we can attempt to get retail boxes. </p><p>If you don't, then please give us an option. The DD void pet bonus is ok but compared to a pet mount that grows as you level a toon it's nothing. You cannot upset Retail in Australia when no retailer supports the product.</p><p>At the moment I am considering an option where I pay a guildie who sends money to a friend based in California who then buys 3 boxes for me (I have 3 accounts) emails the keys to me and throws the rest in the bin.</p><p>Please give me another option ...........................</p>

Chanaluss
10-16-2008, 07:38 PM
no bear for me, sigh. wouldve saved me a truckload of plat that i dont have to throw at mounts. darn you free stuff at fan faire =/

Ilucide
10-16-2008, 07:39 PM
I don't know anything about retail distribution. That question's sort of akin to asking the chef about how long the wait for a table is. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Ilucide
10-16-2008, 07:41 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ilucide wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's one per character.</blockquote>Oh! What about the painting? I definately want it on my main since I'm a huge lore fan, but my alt is a Halfling - and thought it'd be nice to place it in both houses <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>As far as I'm aware, the Legends of Norrath painting card is one per account.

jolissa3
10-16-2008, 07:46 PM
<cite>Ilucide wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't know anything about retail distribution. That question's sort of akin to asking the chef about how long the wait for a table is. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote><p>Seriously is that the answer?</p><p>I didn't expect a Dev, Designer or Producer to be able to answer my question. At best I was hoping for community relations response of "we don't know but we will get back to you".</p><p>I really love this game but sometimes I wonder, does anyone at SOE understand that customers are needed to pay the bills?</p><p>Ilucide, sadly I expected more, stupid me ............ </p>

Oh
10-16-2008, 07:51 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ilucide wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't know anything about retail distribution. That question's sort of akin to asking the chef about how long the wait for a table is. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote><p>Seriously is that the answer?</p><p>I didn't expect a Dev, Designer or Producer to be able to answer my question. At best I was hoping for community relations response of "we don't know but we will get back to you".</p><p>I really love this game but sometimes I wonder, does anyone at SOE understand that customers are needed to pay the bills?</p><p>Ilucide, sadly I expected more, stupid me ............ </p></blockquote>I'm a complete Noob when it comes to international anything, but I will ask the question and you guys can quickly correct me..... Couldn't you just preorder a US copy of the game and have it mailed to you? Yea I know that will take forever and a day to get to yea but it would resolve the issue of not being able to get one period. Although I frankly don't know if there are any restrictions on US copys to other contries. If that isn't plausable are there other outlets for the retail chains that can do mail order for your specific country? I mean alot of companies are international which to me would seem they should be able to facilitate the request.

Ilucide
10-16-2008, 07:52 PM
That was the polite way of saying that I don't handle retail distribution, and I can't answer your question. The other option was that I didn't answer at all. We have a forum for <a href="http://kotaku.com/5063962/frankenreview-dead-space" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Account Related Support</a> though, so hopefully you could get an answer to your question there.

Kiara
10-16-2008, 07:58 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ilucide wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't know anything about retail distribution. That question's sort of akin to asking the chef about how long the wait for a table is. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote><p>Seriously is that the answer?</p><p>I didn't expect a Dev, Designer or Producer to be able to answer my question. At best I was hoping for community relations response of "we don't know but we will get back to you".</p><p>I really love this game but sometimes I wonder, does anyone at SOE understand that customers are needed to pay the bills?</p><p>Ilucide, sadly I expected more, stupid me ............ </p></blockquote>The Community Relations Manager has already said a couple of times that she's working on getting answers to questions like this one.But I need you guys to be a little patient.  Since I don't know, I need to ask people.I'm answering all these questions in the pre-order thread in the Community News forum.Please play nice with the nice dev man, folks.

jolissa3
10-16-2008, 07:59 PM
<cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ilucide wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't know anything about retail distribution. That question's sort of akin to asking the chef about how long the wait for a table is. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote><p>Seriously is that the answer?</p><p>I didn't expect a Dev, Designer or Producer to be able to answer my question. At best I was hoping for community relations response of "we don't know but we will get back to you".</p><p>I really love this game but sometimes I wonder, does anyone at SOE understand that customers are needed to pay the bills?</p><p>Ilucide, sadly I expected more, stupid me ............ </p></blockquote>I'm a complete Noob when it comes to international anything, but I will ask the question and you guys can quickly correct me..... Couldn't you just preorder a US copy of the game and have it mailed to you? Yea I know that will take forever and a day to get to yea but it would resolve the issue of not being able to get one period. Although I frankly don't know if there are any restrictions on US copys to other contries. If that isn't plausable are there other outlets for the retail chains that can do mail order for your specific country? I mean alot of companies are international which to me would seem they should be able to facilitate the request.</blockquote><p>Yep, I can pay twice as much as everyone else by expressing it to Australia and only get it a week after everyone else or I can pay a more reasonable amount and get it 6 weeks after everyone else. Either one is not a great option when all I need is a activation key (1 line of text), the pewter bear would be nice but who cares really.</p><p>I have not looked into it for this expansion (see above) but I have had issues in the past where online traders will not ship titles outside of the US because of distribution agreements (Amazon included). </p>

Felshades
10-16-2008, 08:38 PM
most games ive played had euro release AFTER usa..eq2 doesnt?edit 4 clarity

Kendricke
10-16-2008, 11:01 PM
<cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>no bear for me, sigh. wouldve saved me a truckload of plat that i dont have to throw at mounts. darn you free stuff at fan faire =/</blockquote>Actually, Fan Faire attendees were given the digital version of Shadow Odyssey for free...which means no dire bear for FanFaire attendees <a href="http://clockworkgamer.com/2008/10/16/the-40-dire-bear/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">unless they pony up another $40 for the expansion anyway</a>. 

greenmantle
10-16-2008, 11:35 PM
<cite>MonkeyBobNz wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Seeing as you are being so nice and helpful in this post, Ilucide,<b> </b>can you please tell me how I can get the mount when it is impossible for me to purchase the game "retail" in my country?</p><p>No retail chain stocks EQ2 in New Zealand.</p></blockquote>EB Games does <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Howlingmoon
10-17-2008, 12:24 AM
I'm wondering if the dire bear pet grows by adv lvl or tradeskill lvl or both. I have 12 crafters, only one of which tis T8, another T5, and everyone else isn't adventuring at all.

Ilucide
10-17-2008, 02:23 AM
<cite>Howlingmoon wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm wondering if the dire bear pet grows by adv lvl or tradeskill lvl or both. I have 12 crafters, only one of which tis T8, another T5, and everyone else isn't adventuring at all.</blockquote>Adventure level.

Howlingmoon
10-17-2008, 02:28 AM
Thank you for the quick reply, Ilucide. Guess five of my 12 will eventually get the mount when they start running adv writs. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Lilj
10-17-2008, 05:05 AM
<cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ilucide wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't know anything about retail distribution. That question's sort of akin to asking the chef about how long the wait for a table is. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote><p>Seriously is that the answer?</p><p>I didn't expect a Dev, Designer or Producer to be able to answer my question. At best I was hoping for community relations response of "we don't know but we will get back to you".</p><p>I really love this game but sometimes I wonder, does anyone at SOE understand that customers are needed to pay the bills?</p><p>Ilucide, sadly I expected more, stupid me ............ </p></blockquote>I'm a complete Noob when it comes to international anything, but I will ask the question and you guys can quickly correct me..... Couldn't you just preorder a US copy of the game and have it mailed to you? Yea I know that will take forever and a day to get to yea but it would resolve the issue of not being able to get one period. Although I frankly don't know if there are any restrictions on US copys to other contries. If that isn't plausable are there other outlets for the retail chains that can do mail order for your specific country? I mean alot of companies are international which to me would seem they should be able to facilitate the request.</blockquote>That is an option, to order a retail copy from the US. Possible problems with such a solution:It is snail mail and getting through Customs can take literally weeks.Customs, you have to pay Customs too and other weird fees. These can become more than the game itself.Payment for the mail. Some companies take up to 50$ to mail 1 game to Europe.Some US companies won't even ship outside the states.We can end up paying 40$ for the game, 50$ for the shipment and 50$ for Customs. I don't know if you think it is a fair price, but 140$ for a game is a tad too much for me.Of course sometimes things are better, if the game slips past Customs, or if you are lucky and find a store that is cheap in shipment. But then we are talking luck, and I prefer to know what m game will cost me and not depend on luck (getting past Customs).But I'm not saying it is impossible to order it from a US company, but it can get rather difficult sometimes <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I hope this could shed some light on some of the problems we can experience and why some many of us outside the US like the DD download option, because it is in reality the only option for us.

Daysy
10-17-2008, 05:16 AM
Last year we could either get one from the local shop, assuming we had a local shop that could get stock from Sony, or we could download the digital version. Either way, we got the badger. Everyone paid the same, everyone got the same. Why has it been made so complicated, and unfair, this year?

Malandrin
10-17-2008, 05:36 AM
<p>So, as I understand it, being a spanish player I have 3 choices:</p><p>1) Buy a retail game from any international distributor, paying twice as much what an american player pays for the same game (because of customs, transport, etc). So I will get the dire bear paying x2 what american players pay.</p><p>2) Pray and hope that any spanish game store gets copies of EQ2 TSO. But even if this happens (EQ2 is not a very popular game on stores at all in Spain), I will have to wait many weeks after launch date to get that copy, as it happened with previous expansions. So I get the dire bear, but I won't be able to play TSO at the same time that american customers will.</p><p>3) Get the digital download, pay the same and play TSO at the same time than american players, but forget the dire bear.</p><p> Fair?</p>

Jhot
10-17-2008, 08:03 AM
Malandrin, desist on trying to find the game in spain. Probably there would be a couple of copies, but dont think it will be easy to find them.I preordered at Play.com. Dont know if ill have a mount or whatever, and at this point, i really do not care. Buying this game is a nightmare for spanish users...

IlikeDragons
10-17-2008, 08:37 AM
<p>When you guys pay for customs is that just from a  store or anythign say you get a freind in the states to buy one and its marked gift do you still pay customes? I mean shipping will be crazy expensive to get it a 1-2 days but you will at least get the mount and never have to worry about buying a mount on any toon you make =P.  besides not like the server will be down most of the first day and im sure with frequent crashes.</p><p>I did have a question about the mount. What is SOE's plans to make all other mounts in game not obsolete. I am planning on selling all my mounts, on toons that dont have crafter earing, and just book it with the free dirty carpet until they get of lvl to have a similar speed bear, then never think about mounts. The mounts with combat effects aren't realy worth it since they are very small effects and most combat is done in dungeons, besides solo questing.</p>

Arcueid
10-17-2008, 10:11 AM
So now after busting my chops for enough status and plat for that Guild 65 nightmare, hopefully you get some status back by selling it?

StormCinder
10-17-2008, 10:19 AM
<cite>Liljna wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ilucide wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't know anything about retail distribution. That question's sort of akin to asking the chef about how long the wait for a table is. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote><p>Seriously is that the answer?</p><p>I didn't expect a Dev, Designer or Producer to be able to answer my question. At best I was hoping for community relations response of "we don't know but we will get back to you".</p><p>I really love this game but sometimes I wonder, does anyone at SOE understand that customers are needed to pay the bills?</p><p>Ilucide, sadly I expected more, stupid me ............ </p></blockquote>I'm a complete Noob when it comes to international anything, but I will ask the question and you guys can quickly correct me..... Couldn't you just preorder a US copy of the game and have it mailed to you? Yea I know that will take forever and a day to get to yea but it would resolve the issue of not being able to get one period. Although I frankly don't know if there are any restrictions on US copys to other contries. If that isn't plausable are there other outlets for the retail chains that can do mail order for your specific country? I mean alot of companies are international which to me would seem they should be able to facilitate the request.</blockquote>That is an option, to order a retail copy from the US. Possible problems with such a solution:It is snail mail and getting through Customs can take literally weeks.Customs, you have to pay Customs too and other weird fees. These can become more than the game itself.Payment for the mail. Some companies take up to 50$ to mail 1 game to Europe.Some US companies won't even ship outside the states.We can end up paying 40$ for the game, 50$ for the shipment and 50$ for Customs. I don't know if you think it is a fair price, but 140$ for a game is a tad too much for me.Of course sometimes things are better, if the game slips past Customs, or if you are lucky and find a store that is cheap in shipment. But then we are talking luck, and I prefer to know what m game will cost me and not depend on luck (getting past Customs).But I'm not saying it is impossible to order it from a US company, but it can get rather difficult sometimes <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I hope this could shed some light on some of the problems we can experience and why some many of us outside the US like the DD download option, because it is in reality the only option for us.</blockquote>Bear in mind that the extra $100 you're paying is strictly for the mount.   You can get everything (except this one specific item) for $40 on the day of release.  <div></div><div>I can't think of ANY in-game item worth $100.</div><div></div><div>SC</div>

DragonMaster2385
10-17-2008, 10:21 AM
I really wasn't expecting it to be 52% since it was just a bonus item. That seems a little much imo since a lot of people spent a lot of plat and status buying a high level guild mount.

katalmach
10-17-2008, 10:46 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>I really wasn't expecting it to be 52% since it was just a bonus item. That seems a little much imo since a lot of people spent a lot of plat and status buying a high level guild mount. </blockquote>Well, if you've got a high level guild mount that you're happy with, you can save yourself the hassle of buying retail and just get the digital download instead. Thing is, if the Direbear was less than 52% run speed, it would be a useless item. All my characters have mounts with speeds of 48 - 52% runspeed, so why would I ever bother to summon the bear? It looks cool, but the look goes completely  wasted if the mount is too slow to be used. Besides, do you honestly think that your high level guild mount is going to remain the fastest mount in game forever? (My spirit steed, that I bought when T5 w as "end-game", certainly didn't remain the best and fastest mou nt out there, despite the fact that I "spent a lot of plat and status" buying it.). Anyway, I'd say the fact that they're giving away a 52% Direbear is a pretty good sign that Shadow Odyssey will introduce new mounts with faster runspeed than any mount currently in game.

DragonMaster2385
10-17-2008, 11:04 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>I really wasn't expecting it to be 52% since it was just a bonus item. That seems a little much imo since a lot of people spent a lot of plat and status buying a high level guild mount. </blockquote>Well, if you've got a high level guild mount that you're happy with, you can save yourself the hassle of buying retail and just get the digital download instead. Thing is, if the Direbear was less than 52% run speed, it would be a useless item. All my characters have mounts with speeds of 48 - 52% runspeed, so why would I ever bother to summon the bear? It looks cool, but the look goes completely  wasted if the mount is too slow to be used.Besides , do you honestly think that your high level guild mount is going to remain the fastest mount in game forever? (My spirit steed, that I bought when T5 w as "end-game", certainly didn't remain the best and fastest mou nt out there, despite the fact that I "spent a lot of plat and status" buying it.). Anyway, I'd say the fact that they're giving away a 52% Direbear is a pretty good sign that Shadow Odyssey will introduce new mounts with faster runspeed than any mount currently in game.</blockquote>No, but the best mounts in the game have ALWAYS been ones that were bought from guild level/status/plat, not quested for or given as a bonus item.  And I imagine that they will have new mounts in TSO, but I don't see it getting higher than 55%.  And it is one per character, not one per account, which makes it even better since most people don't spend that kind of plat for alts anyway.  And the DD preorders just get a house pet that doesn't do anything.  At least with the other expansions, the house pet had usefullness (expect DoF).

Kendricke
10-17-2008, 12:01 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>No, but the best mounts in the game have ALWAYS been ones that were bought from guild level/status/plat, not quested for or given as a bonus item.</blockquote>Aye, this has been the case. 

MrWolfie
10-17-2008, 12:30 PM
<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>No, but the best mounts in the game have ALWAYS been ones that were bought from guild level/status/plat, not quested for or given as a bonus item.</blockquote>Aye, this has been the case.  </blockquote>Not true. LON cards gave very desirable mounts, and the last time I checked the only requirement was how much you had to shell out before you got lucky. And, if I'm not entirely mistaken, at least on one occasion the fastest (or equal fastest) mounts in the game were LON loot cards - gaining one required no guild level, status, plat or effort.I'm afraid LON has set a precedent for giving away desirable loot in exchange for hard cash, and what's worse, it's not even a price set in stone. I know of players spending ridiculous amounts to get a certain loot card in SOE's LON lottery.

DragonMaster2385
10-17-2008, 12:45 PM
What LoN mount is that highly desired? Yeah, they have the stupid Unicorn, but it isn't faster than 52%. I don't think LoN has ever given the best mount in the game.

speedycerv
10-17-2008, 01:27 PM
does the mount have anything besides the run speed, like ca dmg or crit or anything fun like that?

Ilucide
10-17-2008, 01:46 PM
Nope.

DragonMaster2385
10-17-2008, 01:53 PM
<cite>Ilucide wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nope.</blockquote>Good; lets keep them that way please.  At least our uber expensive mounts will still have some advantage over the bonus gift.

Bozidar
10-17-2008, 02:09 PM
<p>So what's the speed on these things, and what's this i hear about it growing?</p><p>I got the pre-order on the web site w/o knowing i'd be missing out on the bear cub <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  totally sucks, imo.. i'm gonna see about cancelling that and getting the retail box.</p>

DragonMaster2385
10-17-2008, 02:22 PM
<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>So what's the speed on these things, and what's this i hear about it growing?</p><p>I got the pre-order on the web site w/o knowing i'd be missing out on the bear cub <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  totally sucks, imo.. i'm gonna see about cancelling that and getting the retail box.</p></blockquote>lol at lazyness.  It has been posted twice in this very same thread.  It's not like this thread is 30 pages long.

Bozidar
10-17-2008, 03:10 PM
ok so the digital download promos start on the 14th.. i get it.. and on the 16th we find out that we can get a free mount for all characters by getting the box set? <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  FTL!

kreepr
10-17-2008, 03:20 PM
<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>ok so the digital download promos start on the 14th.. i get it.. and on the 16th we find out that we can get a free mount for all characters by getting the box set? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  FTL!</blockquote><span style="color: #ff0000;">Where was it stated that you get one for each toon?? I thought it was one per account........</span>

Valentina
10-17-2008, 03:23 PM
<cite>kreepr13 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>ok so the digital download promos start on the 14th.. i get it.. and on the 16th we find out that we can get a free mount for all characters by getting the box set? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  FTL!</blockquote><span style="color: #ff0000;">Where was it stated that you get one for each toon?? I thought it was one per account........</span></blockquote>It was stated in this very thread. 

Valentina
10-17-2008, 03:24 PM
<cite>Ilucide wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's one per character.</blockquote>

DragonMaster2385
10-17-2008, 03:30 PM
You can cancel your preorder up until the expansion is released. If you want the box instead of the DD, just cancel it. Not a hard concept.

Bozidar
10-17-2008, 03:33 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>You can cancel your preorder up until the expansion is released. If you want the box instead of the DD, just cancel it. Not a hard concept.</blockquote><p>Do you find it neccisary to be a jerk while being helpful?  You can do one w/o the other.  That's twice you've replied to me in this manner on this page.  </p><p>If you resent being helpful, then just dont.  </p>

DragonMaster2385
10-17-2008, 03:36 PM
The first time, you didn't read the thread before asking the question. I would understand if we were on page 20 and it was posted on page 3, but is it really that hard to skim 6 pages? Not like you would even have to read everything, just look for key words. The second time, well, I don't have an excuse. I'm stuck at work, I'm sick, and it's Friday, so I am a little anxious. /sorry

kreepr
10-17-2008, 03:38 PM
<cite>xsikal wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kreepr13 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>ok so the digital download promos start on the 14th.. i get it.. and on the 16th we find out that we can get a free mount for all characters by getting the box set? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  FTL!</blockquote><span style="color: #ff0000;">Where was it stated that you get one for each toon?? I thought it was one per account........</span></blockquote>It was stated in this very thread.  </blockquote><span style="color: #ff0000;">WOW I am slow today I dont know how I missed that............. XP</span>

Bozidar
10-17-2008, 04:30 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>The first time, you didn't read the thread before asking the question. I would understand if we were on page 20 and it was posted on page 3, but is it really that hard to skim 6 pages? Not like you would even have to read everything, just look for key words.The second time, well, I don't have an excuse. I'm stuck at work, I'm sick, and it's Friday, so I am a little anxious. /sorry</blockquote><p>The first time i was doing a dev search to find out about this.  I clicked on the latest dev post in the thread and began to look around.  I missed it, sue me.</p><p>The second time.. well, i'd have gone and checked about canceling that order already but i'm at work too, i'm also recovering from being sick this week, and my firewall has virutally every sony site but this one blocked -- so i couldn't go to my account.</p>

Oh
10-17-2008, 04:45 PM
<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>ok so the digital download promos start on the 14th.. i get it.. and on the 16th we find out that we can get a free mount for all characters by getting the box set? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  FTL!</blockquote>Actually the preorder for the boxed versions have been going on for a lot longer then the digital download has been. I remember last week googling it to tell a guildy about it. NOW I didn't know the specifics of the bear mount at that point in time, but I knew of it's existance and the rewards for the box preorder just not of the digitial download rewards.

DragonMaster2385
10-17-2008, 04:55 PM
<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>The first time, you didn't read the thread before asking the question. I would understand if we were on page 20 and it was posted on page 3, but is it really that hard to skim 6 pages? Not like you would even have to read everything, just look for key words.The second time, well, I don't have an excuse. I'm stuck at work, I'm sick, and it's Friday, so I am a little anxious. /sorry</blockquote><p>The first time i was doing a dev search to find out about this.  I clicked on the latest dev post in the thread and began to look around.  I missed it, sue me.</p><p>The second time.. well, i'd have gone and checked about canceling that order already but i'm at work too, i'm also recovering from being sick this week, and my firewall has virutally every sony site but this one blocked -- so i couldn't go to my account.</p></blockquote>that's so weird, my work as all sony sites blocked too, but I can still access the forums.  I can't get to eq2players.com, but the forums never give me problems.

Chanaluss
10-17-2008, 05:08 PM
im just not fond of the fact that, unless for thematic reasons, or you are too impatient to wait for a fast mount, if you get the retail copy you can have a free mount for every single character you ever have. in my eyes it should be one per acct, but im bitter like that.

DragonMaster2385
10-17-2008, 05:25 PM
<cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>im just not fond of the fact that, unless for thematic reasons, or you are too impatient to wait for a fast mount, if you get the retail copy you can have a free mount for every single character you ever have. in my eyes it should be one per acct, but im bitter like that.</blockquote>not just you, I agree completely.

Amise
10-17-2008, 05:46 PM
<cite>MonkeyBobNz wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Seeing as you are being so nice and helpful in this post, Ilucide,<b> </b>can you please tell me how I can get the mount when it is impossible for me to purchase the game "retail" in my country?</p><p>No retail chain stocks EQ2 in New Zealand.</p></blockquote><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.mightyape.co.nz/product/PC-Games/Everquest-II-The-Shadow-Odyssey/2634038/" target="_blank">This online NZ-based company</a> has been selling the boxed versions of EQ2 and its expansions since the game was released. You'll have to wait a few extra days, but if you want the boxed version you <i>can </i>get it. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Katsi
10-17-2008, 09:42 PM
When the bears were first announced, someone mentioned that they would slobber like the wargs do, but the picture does not seem to show that.  Can anyone confirm or deny?( My son and I are hoping that they are slobber free)~ Cerilynn

Spyderbite
10-17-2008, 10:16 PM
Fluff doesn't appeal to me.. so, I guess this whole subject seems unimportant tome. The mount and house pet are cute. But, is it really more impotant than the content coming out? In my opinion, nope. But, then again, there will always be the "Everyone I see, has it, I want itoo. Even if it slows me down. " <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Kendricke
10-17-2008, 10:20 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Fluff doesn't appeal to me.. so, I guess this whole subject seems unimportant tome. The mount and house pet are cute. But, is it really more impotant than the content coming out? In my opinion, nope. But, then again, there will always be the "Everyone I see, has it, I want itoo. Even if it slows me down. " <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote><p>So a free mount that scales up to 52% run speed which is permanantly accessible to every character you ever make on a particular account is simply "fluff"?  You don't consider mounts or runspeed to be gameplay related?  </p>

Spyderbite
10-17-2008, 10:26 PM
<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>So a free mount that <b>scales up to 52%</b> run speed which is permanantly accessible to every character you ever make on a particular account is simply "fluff"?  You don't consider mounts or runspeed to be gameplay related?  </blockquote>I read 42%... but, meh.. even with 52%.. there are currently options to get the same speed. So, it's fluff. Those who, by level 70-80, can't find mounts and/or buffs to pull off 52% probably need to re-evaluate their past decisions when it comes to spending coin or working their AA's.What speed are ou running at these days, Kendricke? Pre-TSO.

MrWolfie
10-18-2008, 07:39 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>What LoN mount is that highly desired? Yeah, they have the stupid Unicorn, but it isn't faster than 52%. I don't think LoN has ever given the best mount in the game.</blockquote><span style="color: #00ff00;">GAVE highly desired mounts.</span> Just re-read my post. When LON came out people were falling over themselves to get the carpets, then they wanted the summoning drums. Next, we have unicorns - and there are people who DESPERATELY want a unicorn (and it doesn't have to be <i>faster</i> than 52% to be desirable or, indeed, equal to the "best" in game)In any case, my post refutes the incorrect assumption that the BEST* mounts in the game are AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN solely earned with guild level, status and plat. That statement is FALSE.*not to mention that "best" is subjective. Personally, I can't stand rhinos...

Kendricke
10-18-2008, 11:48 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>So a free mount that <b>scales up to 52%</b> run speed which is permanantly accessible to every character you ever make on a particular account is simply "fluff"?  You don't consider mounts or runspeed to be gameplay related?  </blockquote>I read 42%... but, meh.. even with 52%.. there are currently options to get the same speed. So, it's fluff. Those who, by level 70-80, can't find mounts and/or buffs to pull off 52% probably need to re-evaluate their past decisions when it comes to spending coin or working their AA's.What speed are ou running at these days, Kendricke? Pre-TSO.</blockquote><p>First off, the question I asked (which you did not answer) was whether or not you consider 52% mounts to be "fluff" or not.  I consider illusions or house items to be fluff.  I consider mounts to be gameplay related because it has an actual effect on the amount of time I spend performing tasks in-game and it affects the ease at which I'm able to accomplish those tasks.  </p><p>You say "meh...even with 52%...there are currently options to get the same speed", but that wasn't the question I was asking, now was it?  I was asking whether or not mounts or runspeed were gameplay related as opposed to being simply fluff.  Your response was that there are currently ways to gain that sort of speed already.  Well, there are ways to increase my damage already without the new weapons or achievements which will be coming in the new expansion, but you don't hear anyone claiming that their DPS is merely "fluff", now do you?  </p><p>Even then, it's not about whether or not you can already find options to "get the same speed".  Those options right now generally involve mounts which require being in a level 80 guild to start with, having 40 platinum to spend (per character), and typically require at least 750,000 status as well (per character).  If I wanted each of my characters on my primary Station account to have a 52% mount, that means we're talking about 480pp at a minimum, plus the required status on top of that - and that's only because I already belong to a level 80 guild.  Even if the mount itself had zero effect on actual gameplay (which is not a premise I accept), the expenditures of 480pp and 7.6 million status are hardly effortless.</p><p>I currently have one 50% mount on one of my level 80 characters.  I make due with a 45% mount on another of my level 80 characters.  That's it right now.  After I pay $40 to pick up a retail copy of The Shadow Odyssey, I'll never need to worry about running a carpet quest, warg quest, or running writs to buy another mount again.  I simply level up my characters, and look: free mount!  </p><p>Dont' get me wrong.  I get your point that it's not game destroying not to have the mount, or any mount really.  However, to say that mounts are merely fluff is simply incorrect.</p>

Rijacki
10-18-2008, 12:14 PM
<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Fluff doesn't appeal to me.. so, I guess this whole subject seems unimportant tome. The mount and house pet are cute. But, is it really more impotant than the content coming out? In my opinion, nope. But, then again, there will always be the "Everyone I see, has it, I want itoo. Even if it slows me down. " <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote><p>So a free mount that scales up to 52% run speed which is permanantly accessible to every character you ever make on a particular account is simply "fluff"?  You don't consider mounts or runspeed to be gameplay related?  </p></blockquote>Unless every character on your account is level 80, they don't get a 52% runspeed (no other buff) mount. It's tied only to adventuring level, too, so it really . <cite>MrWolfie wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>*not to mention that "best" is subjective. Personally, I can't stand rhinos...</blockquote>Best is extremely subjective.  Even a mount that's 52% at level 80 and considerably slower than that for all other levels and 100% "free" to every character on an account isn't necessarily "the best".  Some people DO play for looks, some to the min/max, some even play just to have fun.For some, this will be "the best" until there's something available as a drop or quest that has the same concept but with stats.  Then those who bought the pre-order one (claiming it "the best&quot<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> will be hopping mad.  I actually like that the "free" pet scales up as you level up. If it was a 52% mount for all levels, it would be overpowered.I have 2 accounts (so does my boyfriend).  One will be flagged for the digital and I haven't decided on the other.  I really like the house item better than the bear but I can claim it on one character and put it in the house of another.  The bear IS nice, but I'm not sure it's THAT good or even something I'll overwhelmingly want.I, too, think it's mostly fluff and not even really attractive fluff at that.

Kendricke
10-18-2008, 01:21 PM
<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Fluff doesn't appeal to me.. so, I guess this whole subject seems unimportant tome. The mount and house pet are cute. But, is it really more impotant than the content coming out? In my opinion, nope. But, then again, there will always be the "Everyone I see, has it, I want itoo. Even if it slows me down. " <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote><p>So a free mount that scales up to 52% run speed which is permanantly accessible to every character you ever make on a particular account is simply "fluff"?  You don't consider mounts or runspeed to be gameplay related?  </p></blockquote>Unless every character on your account is level 80, they don't get a 52% runspeed (no other buff) mount. It's tied only to adventuring level, too, so it really . </blockquote><p>Yes, I'm aware of that.  Of course, with the recent changes to levelling speed as well as the upcoming bonuses for having a level 80 on your account already, I believe it's possible we just may see a few more level 80's sooner than later.  Of course, even then with the scaling, it's not as if I'm not saving platinum and status by using the free mounts instead of purchasing the lower tier guild mounts (and I save a lot more platinum by not buying the non-guild mounts).  I don't see myself running the carpet quests or warg quests (other than for the extra achievements, perhaps) so long as I've got a free mount which is scaling up with my characters, either.  </p><p>The bottom line so far as I'm concerned is that there will be demand for these mounts that exists beyond "fluff".  Truly, there already is demand for these mounts.  Whether or not you personally desire the mounts doesn't matter.  I know players who actually use weapons that aren't ideal for them because they prefer the look - that doesn't suddenly mean that weapons are "fluff".  </p><p>Fluff does not affect actual gameplay.  Runspeed and mount speed does affect gameplay.  This isn't exactly subjective here.</p>

Miss_Jackie
10-18-2008, 01:56 PM
<cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>For those interested in the mount speeds and what it is per level. Here is a quote from the preorder thread in the community section.</p><p><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>HAH!!  Found it.Mount info!<ul><li>Available as a summoned pet from 1-19, after that, becomes a mount. </li><li>Becomes a mount at level 20 - 20% run speed. </li><li>Increase in run speed at level 40 - 30% run speed and armored appearance. </li><li>Increase in run speed at level 60 - 45% run speed and increased armor appearance. </li><li>Increase in run speed at level 80 - 52% run speed and increased armor appearance.</li></ul><p>This item is 1 per character.</p></blockquote></blockquote>Meh, that sucks. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Oh
10-18-2008, 02:52 PM
<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Fluff does not affect actual gameplay.  Runspeed and mount speed does affect gameplay.  This isn't exactly subjective here.</p></blockquote>QFT

Spyderbite
10-18-2008, 04:11 PM
<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>First off, the question I asked (which you did not answer) was whether or not you consider 52% mounts to be "fluff" or not. </p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Yup. I sure do. I don't have a single character that runs at that speed. But, I haven't had a reason to run that fast either. And, there are other ways to achieve that speed for those who need it with ingame means. So, yes. It's fluff.</span></p> <p>Dont' get me wrong.  I get your point that it's not game destroying not to have the mount, or any mount really.  However, to say that mounts are merely fluff is simply incorrect.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;"> I don't agree. Especially when it comes to the PvE servers. How fast you run rarely effects game play. Its merely a convenience factor for those can't seem to get from point A to point B fast enough.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">I suppose "fluff" is a relative term. For me.. this is fluff. It'll sit in my bank box. If it were tradeable, I'd sell them all. I'm paying $40 x2 accounts for content. Anything extra is just gravy and not a necessity to me. Thus the reason, I suppose I never ate endless boxes of cereal as a kid just to get the prize I wanted in my Captain Crunch. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p></blockquote>

Spyderbite
10-18-2008, 04:14 PM
<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Fluff does not affect actual gameplay.  Runspeed and mount speed does affect gameplay.  This isn't exactly subjective here.</blockquote>Not objective? How does Runspeed and mount effect gameplay? It gets you from one place to another, faster. That's it. Only facets of gameplay it effects are envy, appearance and impatience.

hellfire
10-18-2008, 04:25 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Fluff does not affect actual gameplay.  Runspeed and mount speed does affect gameplay.  This isn't exactly subjective here.</blockquote>Not objective? How does Runspeed and mount effect gameplay? It gets you from one place to another, faster. That's it. Only facets of gameplay it effects are envy, appearance and impatience.</blockquote>Yeah unless  the mounts carry a modification like + crit or something  it does not effect gameplay at all.

Kendricke
10-18-2008, 04:32 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Fluff does not affect actual gameplay.  Runspeed and mount speed does affect gameplay.  This isn't exactly subjective here.</blockquote>Not objective? How does Runspeed and mount effect gameplay? It gets you from one place to another, faster. That's it. Only facets of gameplay it effects are envy, appearance and impatience.</blockquote>Yeah unless  the mounts carry a modification like + crit or something  it does not effect gameplay at all.</blockquote><p>I have yet to find an illusion that can give me more time during a gaming session, or which can allow me to more effectively train through a zone I have trouble travelling through, or which can help me advance through Veeshan's Peak after a wipe so that my raid force isn't waiting an extra minute or two on me, or which can help me to get to a group faster and safer.  Mounts help with all of those.  Any one of those is gameplay affecting.</p><p>It may not be as large an effect as +crit or not, but it is an effect to gameplay none-the-less.  There are entire achievement lines built around runspeed.  There are utility spells balanced around runspeed.  Mounts are simply another method by which we affect runspeed.  One may as well claim that sprint is a fluff ability, after all.  </p>

Grumpy_Warrior_01
10-18-2008, 04:41 PM
<p>Well, apparently some players interpret "gameplay" to mean "combat."  That's a pretty narrow view of a virtual world as rich as EQII, but to each his own.</p>

Kendricke
10-18-2008, 04:48 PM
<cite>Grumpy_Warrior_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Well, apparently some players interpret "gameplay" to mean "combat."  That's a pretty narrow view of a virtual world as rich as EQII, but to each his own.</p></blockquote><p>One may as well claim teleportation spells are simply fluff spells.  Apparently the 100pp Guild Strategist is only a fluff amenity, since the only thing he really does is cut down travel time between point A and point B.</p>

Rijacki
10-18-2008, 07:06 PM
<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>So a free mount that <b>scales up to 52%</b> run speed which is permanantly accessible to every character you ever make on a particular account is simply "fluff"?  You don't consider mounts or runspeed to be gameplay related?  </blockquote>I read 42%... but, meh.. even with 52%.. there are currently options to get the same speed.<b> <span style="color: #ff0000;">So, it's fluff. </span></b>Those who, by level 70-80, can't find mounts and/or buffs to pull off 52% probably need to re-evaluate their past decisions when it comes to spending coin or working their AA's.What speed are ou running at these days, Kendricke? Pre-TSO.</blockquote><p>First off, <span style="color: #ff0000;">the question I asked (which you did not answer)</span> was whether or not you consider 52% mounts to be "fluff" or not.  I consider illusions or house items to be fluff.  I consider mounts to be gameplay related because it has an actual effect on the amount of time I spend performing tasks in-game and it affects the ease at which I'm able to accomplish those tasks. </p></blockquote>Kendricke, he DID answer you in the post where you claimed he did not.  No, he did not agree with your opinion, but he did answer you with his opinion.I replied to this thread with my opinion.  It also does not agree with your opinion but that doesn't mean it's not what I think or even what others think.52% Runspeed only at level 80 without any additional benefits IS fluff.  It doesn't matter that there will be people leveling fast to 80, there are others who won't be.  No character is started at 80 and, aside from the current means, players have requested other means to slow the break-neck leveling speed.  Heck, other than my raid main, I'm in no hurry to level any of my other characters.  My raid main is on the account I went to Fan Faire with and I am NOT going to purchase the retail box for that account, not just because Fan Faire attendees are getting the digital download free.  If I wasn't getting it for free, I would be purchasing the digital download on that account.52% Runspeed at level 80 might be at or close to the max mount now (not 100% sure, haven't looked at mounts lately), but it might not be the maximum mount with items added with the expansion. Loot or bought mounts might also carry buffs.52% Runspeed from a mount in MOST raid zones is only useful until you die the first time.  Sure, Veeshan's Peak is one exceptionally huge zone where you can cast a mount.  However, the difference between 52% and 50% (what I have on my own now with my earring and racial bonus) is negligible.  The difference between 57% and 50% is still negligible. Heck even if everything stacked, 62% and 50% is still not so incredibly huge that it's going to make more than 1s of difference.  Since I zone quickly, I'd still get to Druushk before the the last of everyone gets there.Heck, even the difference between 45% (carpet from the quest) and 52% isn't all that much. I forget the runspeed on the quest Wargs, but they're either that same difference or less.52% Runspeed only at level 80 without any additional benefits IS fluff. + Runspeed of a marginal amount between it and other easily obtainable + Runspeed items is A LOT different than the instant travel of the Rally Flags.  52% Runspeed vs 45% Runspeed (free carpet) is not going to make a difference of 10 minutes or 30 minutes, it will only make a difference of a few seconds.  Comparing those two is like comparing a single kumquat to a 9" apple pie.Yes, this is my OPINION but I'm not going to lace every sentence with "in my opinion" because that would not only look horrid it would also assume anyone reading the post was a daft idiot who can't seperate opinion from fact. I read your posts as in your opinion, because that is all they are OPINION.

Kendricke
10-18-2008, 10:04 PM
<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>So a free mount that <b>scales up to 52%</b> run speed which is permanantly accessible to every character you ever make on a particular account is simply "fluff"?  You don't consider mounts or runspeed to be gameplay related?  </blockquote>I read 42%... but, meh.. even with 52%.. there are currently options to get the same speed.<b> <span style="color: #ff0000;">So, it's fluff. </span></b>Those who, by level 70-80, can't find mounts and/or buffs to pull off 52% probably need to re-evaluate their past decisions when it comes to spending coin or working their AA's.What speed are ou running at these days, Kendricke? Pre-TSO.</blockquote><p>First off, <span style="color: #ff0000;">the question I asked (which you did not answer)</span> was whether or not you consider 52% mounts to be "fluff" or not.  I consider illusions or house items to be fluff.  I consider mounts to be gameplay related because it has an actual effect on the amount of time I spend performing tasks in-game and it affects the ease at which I'm able to accomplish those tasks. </p></blockquote>Kendricke, he DID answer you in the post where you claimed he did not.  No, he did not agree with your opinion, but he did answer you with his opinion.I replied to this thread with my opinion.  It also does not agree with your opinion but that doesn't mean it's not what I think or even what others think.52% Runspeed only at level 80 without any additional benefits IS fluff.  It doesn't matter that there will be people leveling fast to 80, there are others who won't be.  No character is started at 80 and, aside from the current means, players have requested other means to slow the break-neck leveling speed.  Heck, other than my raid main, I'm in no hurry to level any of my other characters.  My raid main is on the account I went to Fan Faire with and I am NOT going to purchase the retail box for that account, not just because Fan Faire attendees are getting the digital download free.  If I wasn't getting it for free, I would be purchasing the digital download on that account.52% Runspeed at level 80 might be at or close to the max mount now (not 100% sure, haven't looked at mounts lately), but it might not be the maximum mount with items added with the expansion. Loot or bought mounts might also carry buffs.52% Runspeed from a mount in MOST raid zones is only useful until you die the first time.  Sure, Veeshan's Peak is one exceptionally huge zone where you can cast a mount.  However, the difference between 52% and 50% (what I have on my own now with my earring and racial bonus) is negligible.  The difference between 57% and 50% is still negligible. Heck even if everything stacked, 62% and 50% is still not so incredibly huge that it's going to make more than 1s of difference.  Since I zone quickly, I'd still get to Druushk before the the last of everyone gets there.Heck, even the difference between 45% (carpet from the quest) and 52% isn't all that much. I forget the runspeed on the quest Wargs, but they're either that same difference or less.52% Runspeed only at level 80 without any additional benefits IS fluff. + Runspeed of a marginal amount between it and other easily obtainable + Runspeed items is A LOT different than the instant travel of the Rally Flags.  52% Runspeed vs 45% Runspeed (free carpet) is not going to make a difference of 10 minutes or 30 minutes, it will only make a difference of a few seconds.  Comparing those two is like comparing a single kumquat to a 9" apple pie.Yes, this is my OPINION but I'm not going to lace every sentence with "in my opinion" because that would not only look horrid it would also assume anyone reading the post was a daft idiot who can't seperate opinion from fact. I read your posts as in your opinion, because that is all they are OPINION.</blockquote><p>The point here is that mounts affect gameplay.  If I were to remove any amenities from our guild hall that affect travel time and then banned the use of mounts, bard songs, druid portals, jarsath hammers, wizard ports, or anything else that affected movement speed on raids, I can guarantee you that there would be complaints - and lots of them. Yet, when I tell everyone to hide diety pets or to remove illusions on raids, hardly anyone raises a peep.  I don't get it - if illusions and movement buffs were both truly "fluff", why would they be treated differently?</p><p>Whether or not the mount is a bear or a dog or a giant purple monkey is the "fluff" element because the gameplay mechanics aren't affected by the appearance of a mount.  Whether or not the mount affects movement speed is the gameplay effecting element because game mechanics are affected. </p>

Odys
10-19-2008, 02:47 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Fluff does not affect actual gameplay.  Runspeed and mount speed does affect gameplay.  This isn't exactly subjective here.</blockquote>Not objective? How does Runspeed and mount effect gameplay? It gets you from one place to another, faster. That's it. Only facets of gameplay it effects are envy, appearance and impatience.</blockquote>It does with 70% running speed you can travel faster and bypass annoying monsters in a safer way.For sure it rarely impacts the outcome of a fight but the game is ot only about that.

Rijacki
10-19-2008, 01:18 PM
<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>The point here is that mounts affect gameplay.  If I were to remove any amenities from our guild hall that affect travel time and then banned the use of mounts, bard songs, druid portals, jarsath hammers, wizard ports, or anything else that affected movement speed on raids, I can guarantee you that there would be complaints - and lots of them. Yet, when I tell everyone to hide diety pets or to remove illusions on raids, hardly anyone raises a peep.  I don't get it - if illusions and movement buffs were both truly "fluff", why would they be treated differently?</p><p>Whether or not the mount is a bear or a dog or a giant purple monkey is the "fluff" element because the gameplay mechanics aren't affected by the appearance of a mount.  Whether or not the mount affects movement speed is the gameplay effecting element because game mechanics are affected. </p></blockquote>If you deem movement speed of any kind to not be fluff because they affect some aspects of gameplay, then none of it is fluff.- Illusions effect game play. They change the appearance of the character which can affect the gameplay of that player or of other players around him, even without being on a roleplay server or in a roleplay guild. Size changes from illusions definately effect mechanics.  They can allow you to see in a different camera angle and/or get over/under obsticles. They can also make it harder to target a character (which is why they're limited on PvP servers).- House items (and houses) effect game play.  They may not impact some player's game play, but others do have changing their house around as part of their game play.  The rent free house from a LoN card affects mechanics since any coin or status that would have gone to pay for the house or rent can go to gear, spells, and supplies.- Appearance items also effect game play.  They give the character a different "look" than the gear he's wearing at the time.  That could lull one into believing a character is better (or worse) equipped than he is which would lead to adjusting how one deals with mechanics based on that perception.  - XP potions of any kind definately effect game play.  They increase leveling speed which can also negatively impact mechanics since the skills only increase with use and they'd be used less with faster leveling.- and so on....Just because someone requests more movement options or would complain if you have to not have movement options, doesn't mean a "free" mount isn't fluff.  You make a point about hiding diety pets and illusions on raids, on those raids were mounts are allowed by the zone but mounts are requests off because they impede view, the only complaint is about the loss of the BUFF certain mounts give, not the loss of the movement rate. There's no complaint about hiding pets since the buff remains when the pet is hidden (there was lots of complaint before that).  There are complaints about hiding illusions and... there are some who are illusioned on every single raid (the only time I can remember you asking for illusions to be hidden was -specific- illusions because they made it harder to identify the targets.. something that does effect mechanics).The dire bear from the retail box has no buffs.  All it can do is get you across the land quicker (instant travel isn't even a comparison).  There are a lot of thing in game, some even "free"er which can do that faster (buffs from certain classes, in particular - again, not counting ANY instant travel since that isn't a valid comparison). The bear, even at max, doesn't have a breath-taking speed difference from several other easily obtainable items some of which also provide buffs and thus are more useful outside of only traveling across land.Kendricke, I'm really not sure why you're so insistant on the dire bear being declared not fluff.  Do you want it's runspeed buff to be reduced? Are you trying to get the Fan Faire attendees the retail box goodies instead of, or in addition to, the digital download ones? Or are you just trying to say that your opinion is the only possible valid one?

hellfire
10-19-2008, 01:46 PM
<p>well imo if mount speed effect game play then there is no fluff items in game.......i mean come on even illusions arent fluff either since some one might see one and stop cause looks cool.So cool illusions is slowing down gameplay!</p><p>Oooo yeah funiture to cant forget that....funiture  counts against gameplay because well the more things in a  house will cause you to load in more slowly soooo  yep that effects game play.</p><p> There is no fluff items.</p>

Kendricke
10-19-2008, 01:59 PM
<p>I'm going to jump on my 52% "fluff" mount and start running across Skyfire.  You start walking in the same direction without any movement speed buffs at all.  Neither of us will fight at all.  I'm sure we'll both survive long enough to get to Veeshan's entrance, right?  Seriously, even if we did fight, I'd still probably make the door several minutes before you do.  </p><p>Now, if time doesn't matter in MMO's like Everquest II, why do we hear so many arguments about which classes solo "faster" or which classes "take forever"?  If time doesn't matter, why should we even have those discussions - obviously it's only a fluff matter, this silly concept of time.  It's not like time matters in MMO's, right?  If it takes you twice as long to get somewhere as I do, that doesn't matter right...because we'll both get there.  It's not like runspeed can help you avoid combat or outrun multiple encounters, right?  </p><p>This idea that "gameplay" equates only to combat is just silly.  Runspeed affects gameplay.  There's a reason a rather large runspeed bonus was placed on the Earring of the Solstice, and it's not because it was intended as a "fluff" reward.  There's a reason harvesters complain that high level characters on mounts are able to harvest more than they can.  There's a reason bards asked about achievements for runspeed at FanFaire - and it wasn't because it was merely "fluff".  There's a reason runspeed totems sell so well, and it's likely not the wolf illusion.  </p><p>We can turn off hoods, cloaks, and illusions.  Anyone care to show me the "/hide_runspeed" command?  Appearance is fluff.  Anything that affects gameplay mechanics (not just combat or tradeskill mechanics) is not fluff.  </p><p>Even then, it's a semantical argument at that.  Fluff...non-fluff...does it matter so much?  The fact is that a free mount is a free mount.  It affects gameplay.  If that's "fluffy", then so be it...but it does affect gameplay.  Feel free to tell me how a cloak graphic affects gameplay and I'll turn off cloaks to prove it doesn't.  Tell me mounts don't affect gameplay, and we're back to me riding and you walking across Skyfire.  </p>

Lethe5683
10-19-2008, 04:38 PM
<p>Fluff is something that doesn't effect game mechanics, not gameplay.  So yes fluff is basically graphics such as textures.  Models aren't necissarly fluff since larger models can effect game mechanics by not fitting somewhere a smaller model could.</p><p> And saying something is fluff because there is something better than it is just plain stupid.  So does that mean that the fabled epic weapon is fluff? Since it's possible to get a better version of the same thing.</p>

Felshades
10-19-2008, 06:27 PM
normally i like kendricke but i think he needs to take a chill pill.i dont know why hes so dang upset myself.ive had a 50% runspeed mount for ages, 52% isnt much an improvement.  i'll have it because it looks neat.  thats it.most druids i know run faster thanmy horse.whoop.dee.doo.

DMIstar
10-19-2008, 06:33 PM
<p>Majority of the people have a better mount from whats being given, its mainly fluff 52% mount speed is nothing that is hard to get at the lvl its being given to. </p><p>any experienced Player is going to have better at this time.  You have a ton of options.. </p><p>* vender purchaseing</p><p>* Raid Mobs</p><p>* LoN cards </p><p>* Now Rare Solo Dropped in some areas </p><p>all of which are better then whats being given, and am quite sure this model bear will be reused over and over for better mounts with actual stats .. Like all the other models. </p>

Lethe5683
10-19-2008, 06:43 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Majority of the people have a better mount from whats being given, its mainly fluff 52% mount speed is nothing that is hard to get at the lvl its being given to. </p><p>any experienced Player is going to have better at this time.  You have a ton of options.. </p><p>* vender purchaseing</p><p>* Raid Mobs</p><p>* LoN cards </p><p>* Now Rare Solo Dropped in some areas </p><p>all of which are better then whats being given, and am quite sure this model bear will be reused over and over for better mounts with actual stats .. Like all the other models. </p></blockquote>That still doesn't make it fluff.  Just because it's not the best doesn't mean it's fluff.

DMIstar
10-19-2008, 06:49 PM
Its still fluff, I dont go by the definition of Fluff meaning not effecting game play, cause there are fluff things that do. 

Rijacki
10-19-2008, 06:55 PM
Why exactly does it matter if it is deemed "fluff" or not?  Who cares if my opinion is that it's fluff I'm not going to go out of my way to purchase for my accounts?Who cares if someone else deems it important enough to go out of their way to get the retail box on all characters, even those getting the digitial download version because of attending Fan Faire?Who cares if some people like the house item better than the dire bear and think it is the better in-game item?Who cares if someone doesn't care about either of the in-game items and just wants the expansion instead?Fluff or not, WHO CARES???Why is it so important to press the opinion that it's not fluff?  To those who think it's not fluff, it's not.  To those who think it is fluff, well, it IS fluff.  No more and no less.Unless the agenda to get it declared "not fluff" is to have the run speed on it reduced or to get it as added to the digital download or have the digital download have an option between the in-game items or to have the Fan Faire granted expansion have both items, is there any point to forcing one opinion as the only possible opinion?Small point of reference, I've never claimed it has been anything less than my OPINION that it's fluff. I have given my reasoning why it's fluff but nothing more.

Chanaluss
10-19-2008, 07:46 PM
regardless of its fluff status, i dont like the fact that it completely negates the need for all plat-bought fluff with the exception of thematics or impatience. im considering buying the expansion just for the mounts, even tho i dont have to cause i got it from fan faire. thats how huge this is (in my opinion). and i dont think thats right

Felshades
10-19-2008, 07:50 PM
EXACTLY RIJACKI.fluff look, not fluff speed imo.im keeping it because i think it looks neat.i dont know why people are getting bent out of shape.

Ba
10-19-2008, 07:58 PM
<p>I have to agree with Kendricke on this one. A scaling mount I can use for every toon I ever create on my account means I never ever have to worry about guild level, status points or PP cost for the lifetime of that account. I am guaranteed a 52% run-speed mount for every one of my L80's forever. Run speed is very very important to my enjoyment of this game (I simply do not enjoy characters that dont run around at least +40%)</p><p>This to ME is a huge benefit. I will definately be buying the retail box. Dang you SoE <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Strade
10-19-2008, 10:05 PM
<p>Runspeed DO affect game mechanics. You said it yourself, there are AA's that affect runspeed. I think some people go a little bit to far to prove themself right.</p>

Oh
10-19-2008, 10:11 PM
<p>The more I think about this, the more it keeps going back to the very basic premis what is fluff? for example is a mount fluff? is the Veterns display case fluff? Is free housing fluff? How about class hat's appearance is that fluff? Then comes the inverse question well what isn't fluff? What can we be sure of that will never be copied, redone, given for a retail sale to LoN, box purchace, Live event rewards? As it is now IT appears/feels like almost anything/everything in eq2 can be sold via LoN/given as a box item and then just labeled as "fluff" so that folks don't feel that it is ruining anything.</p><p>One of the arguments about this mount was well what is really the speed difference between 52% (which is the bear at level 80) versus 50% run speed you have now. Well aside from the obvious of you didn't have to do diddly in-game to get it just pay some REAL life dollars there really isn't any difference. Unfortunatly I am seeing more and more of this trend to turn something that should be achievable via ingame into hey just give us(SoE) some $$'s and blamo you have <insert item>.</p><p>I think that really the question of what is or isn't fluff has changed in SoE's eyes, and that is why this sort of conversations are starting to creep up.</p><p>Anyways enjoy this thread, I just wanted to put my 2 coppers in.</p>

MonkeyBob
10-19-2008, 10:40 PM
<cite>greenmantle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>MonkeyBobNz wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Seeing as you are being so nice and helpful in this post, Ilucide,<b> </b>can you please tell me how I can get the mount when it is impossible for me to purchase the game "retail" in my country?</p><p>No retail chain stocks EQ2 in New Zealand.</p></blockquote>EB Games does <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote><p>I was surprised to read this, so went to find out for myself.</p><p>At lunchtime I walked down the street to the EBGames in Cashel mall. I was greeted with a stand with about 30 boxes of the WoW expansion.</p><p>I asked the nice lady behind the counter if they were getting the Everquest 2 expansion. She looked at me blankly. After a few questions she looked in her system. She typed in "Everquest" in the search screen. No results.</p><p>So, to be clear, NO, EBGames in NZ does NOT stock Everquest 2.</p>

Arcueid
10-19-2008, 10:43 PM
<p>As for my previous post back on page 2 or 3, keeping my level 65 guild mount for the melee buffs.</p><p>Anyone still confirm that you get status back if you resold the items to vendor?</p>

MonkeyBob
10-19-2008, 10:44 PM
<cite>Amise wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>MonkeyBobNz wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Seeing as you are being so nice and helpful in this post, Ilucide,<b> </b>can you please tell me how I can get the mount when it is impossible for me to purchase the game "retail" in my country?</p><p>No retail chain stocks EQ2 in New Zealand.</p></blockquote><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.mightyape.co.nz/product/PC-Games/Everquest-II-The-Shadow-Odyssey/2634038/" target="_blank">This online NZ-based company</a> has been selling the boxed versions of EQ2 and its expansions since the game was released. You'll have to wait a few extra days, but if you want the boxed version you <i>can </i>get it. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote><p>Why dont you take a closer look at that link you provided.</p><p>Release date 21 Nov 2008.</p><p>So, I concede. I can get from a NZ company, but not on release date. Last time I ordered the RoK expansion from them, it was almost a week after launch that I received it. "Supplier Issues" was the official response.</p><p>So, you'll have excuse me if I dont trust them.</p><p>I thought (may be mistaken) that about 3 months ago Kiara mentioned that there would be "no difference" between the versions this year. </p>

Luag
10-20-2008, 02:25 AM
there will be bears everywhere

MrWolfie
10-20-2008, 08:03 AM
<cite>Luag wrote:</cite><blockquote>there will be bears everywhere</blockquote>I doubt it.The expansion will have faster.All my 80 tradeskillers already run faster.All my 80 adventurers run faster.My 77 Warden runs faster.My 58 Dirge runs faster.My 57 Templar (retired)/ 75 Armorsmith will enjoy use of the bear, unless he gets to 80 before release.However, I do have some lowbies on Test and a US server. I'll enjoy using the pet till 19 (which is about 4 hours playtime!) and might use them as mounts beyond that.For new players they're neat. For long term players they're no big deal.

Vanderlay
10-20-2008, 09:01 AM
I find it hard to believe that a bear will be running at 52% at level 80.  Most horses in the game don't run that fast now.  Correct me here if I'm wrong (and I know realism doesn't equate to ingame items), but I could've sworn that a horse would be much faster than a bear any day of the week.

graewulf
10-20-2008, 09:23 AM
<cite>Vanderlay wrote:</cite><blockquote>I find it hard to believe that a bear will be running at 52% at level 80.  Most horses in the game don't run that fast now.  Correct me here if I'm wrong (and I know realism doesn't equate to ingame items), but I could've sworn that a horse would be much faster than a bear any day of the week.</blockquote><p>I wish realism played a factor, but you gotta accept that it doesn't. Realistically, 99.999999999999999999999999999999% of horses outrun 100% of people.</p>

DragonMaster2385
10-20-2008, 10:13 AM
While I agree that you can get faster or just as fast without this mount, it still trivializes the speed of SP/plat mounts. Personally, I think it should have capped out at 45%. However, there aren't any other stats on it, so you will still see the majority of people using others. I think the only people that will be sticking with the free mount will be alts that don't want to spend the plat and people that are not in a high level guild. But, I don't consider run speed fluff just because there are better alternatives. I don't even see how people can argue the fact that runspeed = fluff. You can spend AAs on upgrades to ONLY run speed; there are no other things in the game that can be argued as fluff that have AAs designated soley to them. ie: there are no AAs for just titles (some come with titles) and there are none with just illusions (some come with illusions). But many classes have AAs that only give run speed upgrades. The dividing factor of 'fluff' imo.

Karlen
10-20-2008, 10:25 AM
>>>But many classes have AAs that only give run speed upgrades.<<<<p>Very good point. How many people have AA choices that give them run speed upgrades and have chosen not to take them?  (My mystic certainly did).</p>

LadyGalasya
10-20-2008, 01:01 PM
<p>I know it has been brought up at least once, but anyone remember last year bout this time? People were PO'd that the box got one gift the Digital Download got a potentially very useful house item......ends up we all got both...any chance of SoE doing the smart thing and avoiding the hassle altogether but just starting out with everyone getting everything?</p>

DragonMaster2385
10-20-2008, 01:11 PM
We might end up getting both, but I see it being next year when the next expansion comes out and TSO is included in it. I didn't get the house plant from EoF until I got Kunark and it was included since EoF was bundled in there. Then again, we may all get it due to a bug (a la the fan fair item)

Frijoles
10-20-2008, 02:12 PM
<cite>LadyGalasya wrote:</cite><blockquote>I know it has been brought up at least once, but anyone remember last year bout this time? People were PO'd that the box got one gift the Digital Download got a potentially very useful house item......ends up we all got both...any chance of SoE doing the smart thing and avoiding the hassle altogether but just starting out with everyone getting everything?</blockquote><p>I've been waiting for someone to mention this - because I remember last year's preorder too, and you are correct: digital downloader preorders got all the goodies last year (mine was one of them).</p><p>Recently my daughter actually phoned SOE Customer Support and asked about the digital download preorder and the Dire Bear mount. She told the CSR that in addition to herself, her boyfriend, her brother, her dad, her aunt and her uncle are EQII subscribers, and all wanted to know.</p><p>The answer? <i>"Digital download pre-orders will recieve both the void brute house item and the Dire Bear mount."</i></p><p>(And she asked him to repeat it, just to be sure.)</p><p>Just like last year.</p><p><img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

Kendricke
10-20-2008, 02:50 PM
<cite>Drash wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>LadyGalasya wrote:</cite><blockquote>I know it has been brought up at least once, but anyone remember last year bout this time? People were PO'd that the box got one gift the Digital Download got a potentially very useful house item......ends up we all got both...any chance of SoE doing the smart thing and avoiding the hassle altogether but just starting out with everyone getting everything?</blockquote><p>I've been waiting for someone to mention this - because I remember last year's preorder too, and you are correct: digital downloader preorders got all the goodies last year (mine was one of them).</p><p>Recently my daughter actually phoned SOE Customer Support and asked about the digital download preorder and the Dire Bear mount. She told the CSR that in addition to herself, her boyfriend, her brother, her dad, her aunt and her uncle are EQII subscribers, and all wanted to know.</p><p>The answer? <i>"Digital download pre-orders will recieve both the void brute house item and the Dire Bear mount."</i></p><p>(And she asked him to repeat it, just to be sure.)</p><p>Just like last year.</p><p><img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote><p>I just called customer service myself at 858.537.0898. I explained to the CSR that I had several international and rural members in my guild who can only order the digital download version of the Shadow Odyssey expansion so they want to know if they'll be able to get the dire bear mount with that.  Not only did the CSR confirm that they WILL actually receive the dire bear with the digital download version of the expansion, but he went on to state that there will ONLY be a digital download version of the expansion available.</p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

DragonMaster2385
10-20-2008, 02:56 PM
lol, maybe all of the kicking and screaming from the community urged them to give it to everyone. They probably won't announce it though since it will help with retail sales.

Kendricke
10-20-2008, 02:58 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>lol, maybe all of the kicking and screaming from the community urged them to give it to everyone. They probably won't announce it though since it will help with retail sales.</blockquote><p>Well, either our Customer Service Reps aren't providing accurate information...or our Community Manager is not.  They can't BOTH be right.</p>

MonkeyBob
10-20-2008, 03:02 PM
Good grief. Now i'm really confused - can a red-name please confirm the above 2 statements? Will the DD download really get the mount?

Bloodfa
10-20-2008, 03:22 PM
I'm with Beaker.  I'd prefer not to have to cough up any more plat for a mount that has <i>less</i> runspeed than a freebie, despite being in a level 80 guild.  My alts are draining me of enough coin, if I can stop the bleeding, it sure wouldn't hurt. 

Tasburath
10-20-2008, 03:27 PM
<p>I just got off of the phone with SOE.  I dialed 858-537-0898.</p><p>They were very clear and I had the agent doublecheck to be sure.</p><p>ONLY the retail pre-orders will have the Dire Bear Mounts.  The digital pre-order will NOT have the mounts.</p><p>(Edited because I apparently do not know how to use a space bar)</p>

StormCinder
10-20-2008, 04:40 PM
<cite>Tasburath wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I just got off of the phone with SOE.  I dialed 858-537-0898.</p><p>They were very clear and I had the agent doublecheck to be sure.</p><p>ONLY the retail pre-orders will have the Dire Bear Mounts.  The digital pre-order will NOT have the mounts.</p><p>(Edited because I apparently do not know how to use a space bar)</p></blockquote><p>LOL.  Well....that clears THAT up!</p><p>SC</p>

feldon30
10-20-2008, 05:57 PM
Good old CSR roulette. Call 10 times and you get a few idiots and a few smart people and somewhere in between.

TheSpin
10-20-2008, 10:49 PM
<cite>Vanderlay wrote:</cite><blockquote>I find it hard to believe that a bear will be running at 52% at level 80.  Most horses in the game don't run that fast now.  Correct me here if I'm wrong (and I know realism doesn't equate to ingame items), but I could've sworn that a horse would be much faster than a bear any day of the week.</blockquote>To satisfy my own curiosity I took 2 minutes and checked.  Fast horses hit 40-45 mph, while grizzly bears top out around 30 mph.   I also think it's interesting to mention that bears are a lot slower than that when they run downhill, you might actually be able to outrun a bear on a downhill slope.  (just like alligators are fast in the water, surprisingly fast on land, but pretty slow making the transition from one to the other).

Ilucide
10-20-2008, 11:44 PM
It is as stated earlier:<ul><li>Retail box gets the bear.</li><li>Digital download gets the caged void beast.</li></ul>Neither gets both. We know you guys want to see copies of our game on the shelves, and so do we. That's why the retail item is there - to encourage retailers to stock our game. It's one of those things that has become more necessary with PC games as the market turns towards digital downloads. Retailers need folks to have a reason to visit the brick and mortar stores. I hope folks understand. It's certainly very difficult to please everyone, and it's a really difficult tightrope to walk, but we do the best we can. =)

Curs3
10-20-2008, 11:50 PM
thanks for the clarification there.  Going to pre-order the retail tomorrow, i like have it in my hands.

InsertNeko
10-21-2008, 12:54 AM
<cite>Ilucide wrote:</cite><blockquote>It is as stated earlier:<ul><li>Retail box gets the bear.</li><li>Digital download gets the caged void beast.</li></ul>Neither gets both. </blockquote>So the bear isn't transferrable like the baby dragons were back in the old days? I can't buy both a digital and a retail, and end up with both items? I prefer digital downloads, but I don't want the stupid caged thing, i want the bear. You make more money, and I keep paying you and we both win sort of ... kind of. I guess ...

Chiyoiche
10-21-2008, 01:22 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ilucide wrote:</cite><blockquote>It is as stated earlier:<ul><li>Retail box gets the bear.</li><li>Digital download gets the caged void beast.</li></ul>Neither gets both. </blockquote>So the bear isn't transferrable like the baby dragons were back in the old days? I can't buy both a digital and a retail, and end up with both items? I prefer digital downloads, but I don't want the stupid caged thing, i want the bear. You make more money, and I keep paying you and we both win sort of ... kind of. I guess ... </blockquote>No...you cannot transfer mounts...as all mounts are No-Trade...order retail from gamestop online or somewere pre-order and have it rushed to your house...if you want the bear, and cannot get to the actual store

Boyar
10-21-2008, 02:35 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>So the bear isn't transferrable like the baby dragons were back in the old days? I can't buy both a digital and a retail, and end up with both items? I prefer digital downloads, but I don't want the stupid caged thing, i want the bear. You make more money, and I keep paying you and we both win sort of ... kind of. I guess ... </blockquote>If you buy both, just activate the retail to get bears for all your characters; then, if you can't also apply the DD code to the same account, you can activate it as a new account with 30 days free, make a character, claim the pet and put it in your main homeowner's home.

jolissa3
10-21-2008, 03:15 AM
<cite>Ilucide wrote:</cite><blockquote>It is as stated earlier:<ul><li>Retail box gets the bear.</li><li>Digital download gets the caged void beast.</li></ul>Neither gets both. We know you guys want to see copies of our game on the shelves, and so do we. That's why the retail item is there - to encourage retailers to stock our game. It's one of those things that has become more necessary with PC games as the market turns towards digital downloads. Retailers need folks to have a reason to visit the brick and mortar stores. I hope folks understand. It's certainly very difficult to please everyone, and it's a really difficult tightrope to walk, but we do the best we can. =)</blockquote><p>Yes, I totally understand the need to support Retail and I will happily go into any retail store to buy my 3 copies.</p><p>But what do we do in Australia where the distributer that has the rights to the game is not bringing any in? We can't even get a local retailer to place a special order for us. The game does not don't exist in Retail in Australia.</p><p>Kiara was going to get back to us with an update. Is your reponse in this thread that update or is she still looking into it? </p>

Lauraliane
10-21-2008, 04:31 AM
onlinecdkey.com or something, is selling the box version online. What they do is basically open the box and mail you the cd key inside, if you want they also send the box, but really who cares.

schrammy
10-21-2008, 05:04 AM
<cite>Lauraliane wrote:</cite><blockquote>onlinecdkey.com or something, is selling the box version online. What they do is basically open the box and mail you the cd key inside, if you want they also send the box, but really who cares.</blockquote>Very nice ida, but they're out of stock already <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Bratface
10-21-2008, 09:43 AM
<cite>Ilucide wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's one per character.</blockquote><span style="font-size: small;font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">So I clicked on the pop up for the <a href="http://everquest2.station.sony.com/buyNow.vm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">preorder  </a>but at the bottom is says:<b>"one (1) in-game item per account; items are not transferrable.</b></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><b>"</b>So confusing, I just don't know who or what to believe...Oh and hello? Waiting until Nov 3 to send out the coupons is rather silly imo, we could all be preordering this stuff by now instead of having to wait for the coupon to come in the mail.<b></b></span></span>

Doodar
10-21-2008, 11:02 AM
Go completely Digital Download and save the money from makeing the boxes for brick and mortar stores and do some PR Commercials!

Vanderlay
10-21-2008, 11:19 AM
<cite>TheSpin wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vanderlay wrote:</cite><blockquote>I find it hard to believe that a bear will be running at 52% at level 80.  Most horses in the game don't run that fast now.  Correct me here if I'm wrong (and I know realism doesn't equate to ingame items), but I could've sworn that a horse would be much faster than a bear any day of the week.</blockquote>To satisfy my own curiosity I took 2 minutes and checked.  Fast horses hit 40-45 mph, while grizzly bears top out around 30 mph.   I also think it's interesting to mention that bears are a lot slower than that when they run downhill, you might actually be able to outrun a bear on a downhill slope.  (just like alligators are fast in the water, surprisingly fast on land, but pretty slow making the transition from one to the other).</blockquote>Actually bears can run faster uphill than they can on flat surfaces or going downhill.  And don't bother climbing a tree or you might be free meat!

Tasburath
10-21-2008, 11:23 AM
<p>Now I need to decide if I want the mount or to be able to play the expansion when it comes out.  That sucks.</p><p>I'm away at a conference the week of the 18th, so if I pre-order I won't see the expansion until I get back.  Going to have plenty of play time in the evenings too.  They should have put the house item in the box and the mount on the digital download.</p><p>I find it annoying that I'm going to pay the same price as someone else and not reap the same benefit because I don't go into a physical store to pick up the game.</p>

Vanderlay
10-21-2008, 11:50 AM
<cite>Tasburath wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Now I need to decide if I want the mount or to be able to play the expansion when it comes out.  That sucks.</p><p>I'm away at a conference the week of the 18th, so if I pre-order I won't see the expansion until I get back.  Going to have plenty of play time in the evenings too.  They should have put the house item in the box and the mount on the digital download.</p><p>I find it annoying that I'm going to pay the same price as someone else and not reap the same benefit because I don't go into a physical store to pick up the game.</p></blockquote><p>Yea it seems like a hassle but this is the way of marketing.  I can't tell you the last time I saw EQ2 sitting on a shelf in a gamestore.  You walk into your local Gamestop or EB and see WoW all over the place.  Hell, they even have Todd McFarlane figurines on the shelf from WoW.  This should be a great way for SOE to market EQ2 to people who haven't played it yet or ever heard of it.</p>

InsertNeko
10-21-2008, 08:29 PM
<cite>Vanderlay wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Yea it seems like a hassle but this is the way of marketing.  I can't tell you the last time I saw EQ2 sitting on a shelf in a gamestore.  You walk into your local Gamestop or EB and see WoW all over the place.  Hell, they even have Todd McFarlane figurines on the shelf from WoW.  This should be a great way for SOE to market EQ2 to people who haven't played it yet or ever heard of it.</p></blockquote>Pretty much dead on. I can find 500 wow boxes anywhere, but only microcenter still has the original baby dragon boxes anymore these days and no one carries kunark boxes at all. Sony only has itself to blame for [Removed for Content] poor marketing. And we get the short end of the deal on it. I've been playing 3+ years, and now I have to buy from a store to get the bear. Customer loyalty from soe is pretty lol, imo.

greenmantle
10-21-2008, 11:46 PM
<cite>MonkeyBobNz wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>greenmantle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>MonkeyBobNz wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Seeing as you are being so nice and helpful in this post, Ilucide,<b> </b>can you please tell me how I can get the mount when it is impossible for me to purchase the game "retail" in my country?</p><p>No retail chain stocks EQ2 in New Zealand.</p></blockquote>EB Games does <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote><p>I was surprised to read this, so went to find out for myself.</p><p>At lunchtime I walked down the street to the EBGames in Cashel mall. I was greeted with a stand with about 30 boxes of the WoW expansion.</p><p>I asked the nice lady behind the counter if they were getting the Everquest 2 expansion. She looked at me blankly. After a few questions she looked in her system. She typed in "Everquest" in the search screen. No results.</p><p>So, to be clear, NO, EBGames in NZ does NOT stock Everquest 2.</p></blockquote><p>She may be right that they are not getting the expansion but weird that she says they dont stock it EBGames own site says they do and that they have a copy at Eastgate mall and at Cashel mall. Perhaps she cant spell everquest? </p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ebgames.co.nz/stockFind.cfm" target="_blank">http://www.ebgames.co.nz/stockFind.cfm</a>   is where i got that info. </p><p>I know the feeling of seeing 300 wow boxes and one beaten up copy of everquests stuck behind my little pony for pc. </p><p>Sorry it sounds like you wasted your lunch though.</p><p>Sadly the online site linked about page 6 for NZ now says this product is no longer available. </p>

Frijoles
10-22-2008, 12:08 AM
<cite>Ilucide wrote:</cite><blockquote>It is as stated earlier:<ul><li>Retail box gets the bear.</li><li>Digital download gets the caged void beast.</li></ul>Neither gets both.</blockquote><p>This being the case, will it be possible to get both (on the same account, that is) by purchasing both separately?</p><p>I hope so.</p><p>I don't mind saying that I'm pretty pyst off about the fact that paying customers were (once again) given bad information by those clown shoes you have answering the phones in San Diego.  </p>

Efour EQ2
10-22-2008, 06:42 AM
Buy both for the win!!!  and then SOE can say THE MOST POPULAR EXPANSION YET IN THE AMAZING EVERQUEST 2 SERIES! in 3 months time..Am i really considering wasting 15 quid for a virtual pet that is actually NO better than the lvl 80 guild ones i have!?!!?

Xilaz
10-22-2008, 08:48 AM
I just went to my local Gamestop and the clerk was surprised the EQ2 was still around. I didn't care, I was able to pre-order the game which is what I wanted to do. I'm not hard up enough for two silly house items to go spend more money on a digital pre-order too.

InsertNeko
10-22-2008, 11:30 AM
Cancelled digital preorder <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Going to get the local retail one I guess. Oh soe, you never cease to make expansions entertaining .

Zarador
10-22-2008, 04:59 PM
<p>The heart of the issue remains that you can walk into almost any retail store that carries even a small amount of software and see pre-order boxes on the shelves of upcoming expansions next to all the versions of Guild Wars, WoW, Warhammer, A.O.C. and LoTR, yet can't even find a current version of Everquest I or II on the shelves.</p> <p>Visit 5 major chains and you will perhaps be able to find 3 copies of the next expansion the week of release.  Our local Best Buy has the DoF expansion on the shelves which the software sales clerk there informed me was the latest expansion. </p> <p>Either find a way to stock some of the shelves in these stores or just make the reward selectable when you purchase whatever version is available.  Obviously the idea that the reward will compell the stores to stock the item so people will purchase it is not working as intended.  It's reached a point now, as others have mentioned, where the retail version is obtainable mainly by pre-ordering a copy that you can't be sure will arrive on release day.  Compare this to other games where the stores stay open past midnight with a line waiting to buy the release/expansion at 12:01 a.m.</p>

Bloodfa
10-22-2008, 05:07 PM
<p>Pre-order Option A and a Pre-order Option B would be nice.  An increase in advertising would be nice, but this one doesn't usually work.  Maybe I can grab a copy at GameStop, maybe not.  All I can do is hope that CoD5 ships early just in case.   Always have a Plan B. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

Zarador
10-22-2008, 05:13 PM
<p>"Forced" shlef space in major stores:</p> <p>Sony could always contact the stores and use reasoning....</p> <ol> <li>You make quite a bit off our other Sony products, so perhaps remove 10 of the 100 copies of WoW and put 10 copies of our product on the shelves.</li> <li>If they purchase our product, think of the extra money you will make in computer upgrades so it will run.</li> </ol>

MonkeyBob
10-22-2008, 05:20 PM
<p><cite>greenmantle wrote:</cite></p> <blockquote><cite>MonkeyBobNz wrote:</cite> <blockquote><cite>greenmantle wrote:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MonkeyBobNz wrote:</cite> <blockquote> <p>Seeing as you are being so nice and helpful in this post, Ilucide,<strong> </strong>can you please tell me how I can get the mount when it is impossible for me to purchase the game "retail" in my country?</p> <p>No retail chain stocks EQ2 in New Zealand.</p> </blockquote> EB Games does <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote> <p>I was surprised to read this, so went to find out for myself.</p> <p>At lunchtime I walked down the street to the EBGames in Cashel mall. I was greeted with a stand with about 30 boxes of the WoW expansion.</p> <p>I asked the nice lady behind the counter if they were getting the Everquest 2 expansion. She looked at me blankly. After a few questions she looked in her system. She typed in "Everquest" in the search screen. No results.</p> <p>So, to be clear, NO, EBGames in NZ does NOT stock Everquest 2.</p> </blockquote> <p>She may be right that they are not getting the expansion but weird that she says they dont stock it EBGames own site says they do and that they have a copy at Eastgate mall and at Cashel mall. Perhaps she cant spell everquest?</p> <p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ebgames.co.nz/stockFind.cfm" target="_blank">http://www.ebgames.co.nz/stockFind.cfm</a>   is where i got that info.</p> <p>I know the feeling of seeing 300 wow boxes and one beaten up copy of everquests stuck behind my little pony for pc.</p> <p>Sorry it sounds like you wasted your lunch though.</p> <p>Sadly the online site linked about page 6 for NZ now says this product is no longer available.</p> </blockquote> <p>lol when I go to the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ebgames.co.nz/stockFind.cfm" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: #810081;">http://www.ebgames.co.nz/stockFind.cfm</span></span></a> url I get blocked by our work filter - ill check when i get home</p> <p style="color: red;"> </p> <p style="color: red;">This site has been detected as containing <strong>offensive</strong> material.</p> <p>The web site was restricted by the rule 'Master Rule ListBlock - Adult & Nudity'.</p> <p>yeah, and it sucks that the mightyape link now says its no longer available. So, my last bastion of hope has been quashed... now im forced to get the DD version and there is no way of getting the mount.</p> <p>SOE: this is plain craziness. Please just give your customers what (i perceive) they want: an option to have one or the other from any distribution medium.</p>

TheSpin
10-22-2008, 05:36 PM
<p>Here is the thing... The better preorder option was purposely added to the retail preorder because if more people buy the game from stores, the more likely the stores are to stock their shelves with the game.   It is about as close to advertising as EQ2 has gotten.</p>

MonkeyBob
10-22-2008, 05:44 PM
Sure, and I understand that. But if you happen (god forbid) to live in a part of the world that is not the USA, then you are effectively screwed. Just in this thread (and others on these boards) we have people from the UK, Australia and New Zealand all stating that they cannot get a retail copy of the game. Whats the point in forcing your customers to get the retail version if is not available in a large portion of the world?

Rockatansky
10-23-2008, 10:12 AM
<p>I've managed to find 3 online retailers for the UK which means having to wait a few days after the DD release before being able to play.</p> <p><a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/EverQuest-II-Shadow-Odyssey-DVD/dp/B001I3RVZU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1224766903&sr=8-1">http://www.amazon.co.uk/EverQuest-I...24766903&sr=8-1</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/7523809/EverQuest-II-The-Shadow-Odyssey/Product.html">http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/752...ey/Product.html</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.zavvi.co.uk/everquest-games-Everquest-II-The-Shadow-Odyssey/886805/qc.r10.1/p.jsf">http://www.zavvi.co.uk/everquest-ga.../qc.r10.1/p.jsf</a></p> <p>But as for getting the limited edition with pewter figure, you'll have to get that from the US for about $60+</p>

Garden
10-23-2008, 10:41 AM
<p>For UK online retailers <a href="http://hmv.com/hmvweb/simpleSearch.do?searchUID=8569853307933856451&pGroupID=-1&adultFlag=false&primaryID=-1&simpleSearchString=Everquest+II%3A+The+Shadow+Odys sey&btnSubmitSearch.x=22&btnSubmitSearch.y=7">HMV</a> also have it.</p> <p>I emailed them about it because the product page mentions a limited edition with the pewter figurine and their response was:</p> <p style="padding-left: 30px;">"Please note that this item is limited stock and the figurine will be available for pre-ordered customers of this product. There is only one version of this product Ever Quest Ii: The Shadow Odyssey."</p> <p>As with online retailers though, it's highly unlikely to arrive for release day (though the generic postage option is free). There is an option to pay for express delivery but it was going to cost me about £20 extra to get 3 copies via that.</p>

Valdaglerion
10-23-2008, 04:10 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p> <blockquote><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite> <blockquote><cite></cite>Fluff does not affect actual gameplay.  Runspeed and mount speed does affect gameplay.  This isn't exactly subjective here.</blockquote> Not objective? How does Runspeed and mount effect gameplay? It gets you from one place to another, faster. That's it. Only facets of gameplay it effects are envy, appearance and impatience.</blockquote> <p>Training in outdoor zones with auto attack off....</p> <p>That is gameplay affecting when you can run mobs off faster than they can catch you to hit you.</p>

Kendricke
10-23-2008, 04:28 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] Bazaar wrote:</cite></p> <blockquote> <p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p> <blockquote><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite> <blockquote><cite></cite>Fluff does not affect actual gameplay.  Runspeed and mount speed does affect gameplay.  This isn't exactly subjective here.</blockquote> Not objective? How does Runspeed and mount effect gameplay? It gets you from one place to another, faster. That's it. Only facets of gameplay it effects are envy, appearance and impatience.</blockquote> <p>Training in outdoor zones with auto attack off....</p> <p>That is gameplay affecting when you can run mobs off faster than they can catch you to hit you.</p> </blockquote> <p>I spent some time in the trick or treating game this morning wondering how much easier anyone on a 52% mount would have it over someone who was walking.  How much candy can any of us collect in 10 minutes at walk speed, I wonder.  Sure the reward itself is fluff, but it got me around to remembering other quests which also included timers.  For example, do you think a lot of people would find the Heritage Quest "The Journey is Half the Fun..." easier with or without a mount?</p>

Arcueid
10-23-2008, 06:02 PM
<p>Imagine doing the Shiny Brass Halbard HQ without SoW or a mount!</p> <p>Could always find a nice Warden to buff the group before getting the water though.</p>

Rijacki
10-23-2008, 06:24 PM
<p><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite></p> <blockquote>I spent some time in the trick or treating game this morning wondering how much easier anyone on a 52% mount would have it over someone who was walking.  How much candy can any of us collect in 10 minutes at walk speed, I wonder.  Sure the reward itself is fluff, but it got me around to remembering other quests which also included timers.  For example, do you think a lot of people would find the Heritage Quest "The Journey is Half the Fun..." easier with or without a mount?</blockquote> <p>In previous years, all runspeed buffs are removed for the "race" Live Event games.  If so, having a mount of 35% or 52% would be the same as no mount.</p> <p>As for "The Journey is Half the Fun...", most players who intend to do that would be finished with it long before level 80 when the mount is 52%. In fact, while it would still be green the mount would be considerably less runspeed %. But, for that HQ, it was doable when the runspeeds were considerably slower and the fastest mounts available were no more than 45%. Then and now, it's considerably easier with a BARD because the bard can both give a runspeed buff and evac. I guess, though, for some the journey is not any part of the fun.</p>

Kendricke
10-24-2008, 09:22 PM
<p><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I spent some time in the trick or treating game this morning wondering how much easier anyone on a 52% mount would have it over someone who was walking.  How much candy can any of us collect in 10 minutes at walk speed, I wonder.  Sure the reward itself is fluff, but it got me around to remembering other quests which also included timers.  For example, do you think a lot of people would find the Heritage Quest "The Journey is Half the Fun..." easier with or without a mount?</blockquote><p>In previous years, all runspeed buffs are removed for the "race" Live Event games.  If so, having a mount of 35% or 52% would be the same as no mount.</p><p>As for "The Journey is Half the Fun...", most players who intend to do that would be finished with it long before level 80 when the mount is 52%. In fact, while it would still be green the mount would be considerably less runspeed %. But, for that HQ, it was doable when the runspeeds were considerably slower and the fastest mounts available were no more than 45%. Then and now, it's considerably easier with a BARD because the bard can both give a runspeed buff and evac. I guess, though, for some the journey is not any part of the fun.</p></blockquote><p>Whether or not it is possible without runspeed increases isn't really the point.  It's POSSIBLE to take down Slamhammer with a 5,000 DPS group...but I'd presume most players would prefer a 12,000 DPS group, right?</p><p> Whether it's 52 or 40 or just 20%, an increase to runspeed is an increase to runspeed.  Concentrating on the percentages doesn't change my basic point, which is that some content is most certainly easier with mounts than without.  Even the act of bypassing content is most certainly easier with a mount than without.  I'd even argue that some content is almost impossible to bypass without runspeed bonuses. </p>

InsertNeko
10-25-2008, 06:46 AM
the funny thing about "shelf space" is that I ordered from Amazon. So yea ... shelf space <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Oh
10-25-2008, 07:17 AM
<p>I guess since everyone wants to consider runspeed "fluff" then why not have the carpets that you buy for dirty money only be 32% and not 52% or 80% or heck why not 200% I mean it's just fluff.. What's really the difference?</p>

Karlen
10-25-2008, 08:07 AM
<p><span > >>I can't tell you the last time I saw EQ2 sitting on a shelf in a gamestore.<<</span></p><p>It hasn't been too bad in Canada. Over the past year, most of the game stores that I have wandered into (Ottawa, Montreal, Toronto, Halifax) have had copies of the Kunark expansion on the shelves.  Not a lot of them, but they have been there.</p><p>That's if they have any PC games at all, which is a different issue.</p>

hellfire
10-26-2008, 05:19 AM
<p><cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I guess since everyone wants to consider runspeed "fluff" then why not have the carpets that you buy for dirty money only be 32% and not 52% or 80% or heck why not 200% I mean it's just fluff.. What's really the difference?</p></blockquote><p>/shrug i agree   200 pct be cool....but still just fluff imo regardless.</p>

Levatino
10-27-2008, 05:14 AM
<p><span >What I find strange. I am an Eq2 player but next to that also a reseller myself. I have my own gamestore in Winterswijk the Netherlands. Since I have knowlegde of this beautiful game i can search for Eq2 in my providers databases and am shocked to see none of my providers have the game for sale. (edit: one distribitor had 1 copy of KoS, so "nothing" was a bit excessive, my apologies)Sure I am glad as a reseller that SOE is ecouraging retail sales but then also make it possible that I as a reseller I can get the game not only for myself but also for my customers.. So advertise more and also let distribitors know that this wonderful game exist!to add, I have posters of Wrath of the Lich King in my shop cause Blizzard is advertising..</span></p>

Galldora
10-27-2008, 11:33 AM
<p>I've preordered my two copies, yet I'm not sure I'll really want to ride on these bears.  The question  I have -- do Direbears bob up and down like wargs?  I hate riding on wargs, they make me queasy. </p>

tigressb
10-27-2008, 01:26 PM
<p>I'd asked this on the post in the community forums, but it completely got lost in the shuffle - is it known yet if the pets will automatically scale up to the level of the character claiming it?  I have a couple of mid-20s toons that are using the carpet from the SS questline that is better atm than the dire bear pet for that level, not to mention a level 75 halfling bruiser that would look awesome on the dire bear...just wondering what level of "work" will be involved to make it a fun and useful mount!</p><p>~Yrsa Ticklewing</p>

Kiara
10-27-2008, 05:38 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'd asked this on the post in the community forums, but it completely got lost in the shuffle - is it known yet if the pets will automatically scale up to the level of the character claiming it?  I have a couple of mid-20s toons that are using the carpet from the SS questline that is better atm than the dire bear pet for that level, not to mention a level 75 halfling bruiser that would look awesome on the dire bear...just wondering what level of "work" will be involved to make it a fun and useful mount!</p><p>~Yrsa Ticklewing</p></blockquote><p>Back on <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=15&topic_id=432749#4822894">page three</a> or so of this thread.</p>

Nekroghoul
10-28-2008, 04:48 PM
<p>Is the house item NO-TRADE and/or LORE?</p>

SystemOn
10-28-2008, 06:50 PM
<p>This question was asked and answered in the other thread.</p><p>Please stop cross posting.</p><p>-- Kiara</p>

Wingrider01
10-28-2008, 06:56 PM
<p><cite>SystemOn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>removed - kiara</p></blockquote><p><em>If they send you a key to enter it is retail, if you order direct from SOE, SOE will authorize your account for the subscription, no key needed, this is a digital download. Read this locked thread, lawst post, it appears that D2D is a digital download and not a retail box - <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=434089">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=434089</a></em></p><p><em>If you purchase the retail, do not install the disks, just enter the cd-key to your account and let the patcher bring down the noew files, if you install the disks, you have to patch everything to current level.</em></p>

SystemOn
10-28-2008, 07:04 PM
<p><cite>SystemOn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This question was asked and answered in the other thread.</p><p>Please stop cross posting.</p><p>-- Kiara</p></blockquote><p>Something is wrong with search i can't find it?</p>

MonkeyBob
10-28-2008, 07:22 PM
Oh noes! We have gone from being able to talk about the non-availability of the expansion in many, many countries to... well... blatant censorship.

Kiara
10-28-2008, 07:27 PM
<p><cite>MonkeyBobNz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Oh noes! We have gone from being able to talk about the non-availability of the expansion in many, many countries to... well... blatant censorship.</blockquote><p>No, no we haven't.</p><p>We're simply enforcing the rule about posting the same exact post across multiple threads...</p><p>Continue to discuss the non availibility all you like, but please don't start the censorship nonsense when all I'm doing is enforcing the rules.</p>

Kiara
10-28-2008, 07:28 PM
<p><cite>SystemOn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>SystemOn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This question was asked and answered in the other thread.</p><p>Please stop cross posting.</p><p>-- Kiara</p></blockquote><p>Something is wrong with search i can't find it?</p></blockquote><p>Thus the danger of posting your question in too many places.</p><p>Asked and answered <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=165&topic_id=432601#4836839">here</a>, and not just by myself.</p>

MonkeyBob
10-28-2008, 07:31 PM
<p>OK, then, SystemOn - try looking at this thread mate. I have no idea what you asked, or where it was answered, but you can try this thread: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=432601" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=432601</a></p><p>Edit: Do'h! Kiara beat me to it.</p>

SystemOn
10-28-2008, 08:23 PM
<p>Thanks you two.I tried to find my post using search but couldn't and is why i re-posted it, sry about that. Thanks again.MonkeyBobNz"or where it was answered"I don't know where it was either, like it was being deleted becasue there was thought that Direct 2 Drive was the same as a retail key, thus get a mount without getting a box copy. But that doesn't seem to be the case.</p>

Lilj
11-13-2008, 03:35 PM
<p>New change to the bear mount. Rijacki started a thread about it, but it got closed, so I am reposting some of her stuff.</p><p>These are the new stats:</p><p><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span ><p>But, according to Allakhazam, <a href="http://www.allakhazam.com/story.html?story=15914" target="_blank">posted</a> 12 November:</p><p>"At level 80 the mount has 65% run speed, which stacks with the Selo's lines and the Troubador AA runspeed lines.  We saw six versions of the Warbear with the expected variations in armor appearance.  We were plesantly suprised to discover two different sets of benefits on the mounts.</p><p>"While they all have the same name, note the two different sets of stats at level 80:</p> <ul><li>Increases Melee Weapon Range of caster by 1.0</li><li>Increases Max Health of caster by 250</li></ul> <ul><li>Increases Reuse Speed of caster by 3.0</li><li>Increases Max Power of caster by 250"</li></ul><p>Definately not fluff.</p><p>Too bad they look so ugly (in my opinion).</p><p>Too bad the retail box is nearly impossible to find for most players since most retail stores just don't stock anything Everquest II and are baffled by anyone asking for it.</p></span></p></blockquote><p>and closed thread can be seen here <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=435644" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=435644</a></p><p>if anyone needs to see it.</p><p>I wonder if people still think it is 'fluff'?</p>

Soulforged
11-13-2008, 03:42 PM
<p>This was posted in the other thread that is now closed, and in which thread Kiara directed us to continue the discussion here.</p><p><cite>Nymeesha wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span><p><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Too bad the retail box is nearly impossible to find for most players</strong></span> since most retail stores just don't stock anything Everquest II and are baffled by anyone asking for it.</p></blockquote><p><a class="linkification-ext" title="Linkification: http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=72968" href="http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=72968">http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/Pro...roduct_id=72968</a></p><p><a class="linkification-ext" title="Linkification: http://www.amazon.com/Everquest-Shadow-Odyssey-Pewter-Bear-Pc/dp/B001EPZD6Q/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1226598246&sr=8-1" href="http://www.amazon.com/Everquest-Shadow-Odyssey-Pewter-Bear-Pc/dp/B001EPZD6Q/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1226598246&sr=8-1">http://www.amazon.com/Everquest-Sha...26598246&sr=8-1</a></p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9061105&st=everquest+2&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1218014502985" target="_blank">http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...d=1218014502985</a></p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=shadow+odyssey&cid=10120807583886239297#ps-sellers" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/products/cata...9297#ps-sellers</a></p><p>Seems the Play-Asia.com site in the last link delivers to almost anywhere in the world.  So I see no reason "most players" can't get the mount.  However, I do understand that that it will cost more then here in the US.  That is unfortunate.  I do agree that SOE needs to make the game more available in stores.  But with the WoW expansion out today, I'm sure that TSO isn't even on their PC gaming radar.  Sadly.  <img src="../images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p><p>I can see why the SOE only put the mount in the retail copy.  That way people will actually want/have to go to a store and pick it up.  Hopefully then, the goofy store workers and owners will finally get a clue and understand that there IS another game besides WoW.  If enough people do this then "maybe" we can get some shelf space year-round.  Meh, I've always been an optimist. <img src="../images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></span></p></blockquote><p>So, <strong>Your first website:</strong> 15.99$ shipping to Canada. No thanks, that's absurd.<strong>Your second website</strong>: I got this message when testing whether I could buy it in Canada:</p><p>"<strong><span style="color: #990000;">*** We're sorry. This item can't be shipped to your selected destination. You may either change the shipping address or delete the item from your order by changing its quantity to 0 and clicking the update button below. ( <a href="https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/browse/-/468634/pop-up/ref=ord_cisa_isr" target="AmazonHelp">See geographical restrictions.</a>) ***"</span></strong>Edit: and No, I cannot get the item from Amazon.ca<strong>Your third website</strong>: That's the best buy US website. I looked on the Best Buy canada website, and there wasn't any record of TSO at all. The only thing for EQ2 was KoS expac, and I can't order the item from the U.S. website.<strong>Your fourth website: </strong>Play-asia: Cost of the item is 54$, fully 14 dollars more than retail in U.S., and a minimum of 4$ extra in shipping, an extra 20$ if I want it in a reasonable amount of time. That's unreasonable and absurd as well.go-gamer: I can't fill out a Canadian shipping address.Buy.com: I can't fill out a Canadian shipping address.Priceground.com: I can't fill out a Canadian Shipping address.Superduperclub: I can't fill out a Canadian Shipping addresMTNstore: 14.13$ extra for shipping, unreasonable and absurd. (Even more absurd for non-canadians who are spending over 61$ on shipping)</p><p><cite>Asif wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><span>Good lord we go thru this every time there is  new expansion people COMPLAINING about i dont get this because he got it.</span></blockquote><p>I am not complaining because I don't get an item that someone else did. I am complaining that someone else got an opportunity and choice that I didn't just because of geographical location, and the short-sightedness of company management not caring about their international customer getting the same choices as US gamers.</p>

Thunndar316
11-13-2008, 03:56 PM
<p>Digital Download Only Problems?</p><p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/Everquest-2-The-Shadow-Odyssey-W-fig-limited_W0QQitemZ120333554117QQihZ002QQcategoryZ80 335QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZ p1638Q2em118Q2el1247" target="_blank">EBAY FTW</a></p>

Thunndar316
11-13-2008, 04:01 PM
<p>Servers will be down until forever on launch day anyway.  What's the rush?  Pre order online and get your mount.</p>

Curs3
11-13-2008, 04:03 PM
<p>im going to be one mad customer if this thing is over 50% run speed.  no reason to do that to people.  you dont get all your money back from selling your mounts you know.  in swg with the preorder of jump to light speed you got the flash speeder which looked cool, but wasnt as fast as others.  Noone got mad over that because it didnt disimbalanced the game.</p>

Rijacki
11-13-2008, 04:17 PM
<p>Ironically, I started a new thread because posting on this one would have been considered necro-posting (sure the previous activity was only 2 weeks old, but it was on page 3 or 4).</p><p><strong>52% runspeed without any other buffs</strong> (with other runspeed items already in game around that same speed with or without buffs, even if they don't stack with any other runspeed buffs, currently) <strong>is fluff.</strong></p><p><strong>65% runspeed -with- buffs</strong> (as the highest currently known runspeed mount -and- buffs -and- stacks with runspeed buffs) <strong>is not fluff.</strong></p><p>The fact it's not available equally to all players (you can't even order the retail box from the SOE Station store *rolls her eyes*) is a customer service / marketting [Removed for Content].</p><p>Yes, I realise they gave the Fan Faire attendees the less desirable version of the expansion in order to "encourage" them to purchase the "full" (i.e. retail box) version of the game, too.</p><p>In my opinion, the best item of -any- category should not come from a real money payment, retail box for an expansion, LoN card, or other micropayment system.  But yeah, I know, they're trying to "convert" us all to a micropayment + subscription model of gameplay since it's their financial plan for the future.</p>

Fernia
11-13-2008, 04:20 PM
<p>Just saw this on the news page of the BBC website : <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7725328.stm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7725328.stm</a></p><p>Then you go into a game store and people scratch their heads when you mention EQ2...no wonder WC has so many subs.</p>

Kirstie
11-13-2008, 04:22 PM
<p>Hi All,</p><p>It seems there was a bit of a miscommunication somewhere.</p><p>The 65% run speed dire bear with the other stats is available in-game and is not the one that you get from the retail box.</p><p>The retail box dire bear is still the one that grows with you and caps out at 52% run speed.</p><p>- Kirstie</p>

Kiara
11-13-2008, 04:24 PM
<p>A few weeks does not constitue necro posting.</p><p>** Beaten to it by Kirstie.</p>

Curs3
11-13-2008, 04:29 PM
<p>you going to increase the expensive 32-40 plat mounts to balance this out or going to leave it hanging?</p>

Rijacki
11-13-2008, 04:30 PM
<p><cite>Kirstie wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hi All,</p><p>It seems there was a bit of a miscommunication somewhere.</p><p>The 65% run speed dire bear with the other stats is available in-game and is not the one that you get from the retail box.</p><p>The retail box dire bear is still the one that grows with you and caps out at 52% run speed.</p><p>- Kirstie</p></blockquote><p>Thank you for the correction.  I am glad to see the in-game obtained item is the one that will be better. </p><p>(Too bad it's still ugly, but that's a personal preference. I hope there will be other mounts, ones that look decent, with those same or similar stats.)</p>

Kendricke
11-13-2008, 04:53 PM
<p><cite>Kirstie wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hi All,</p><p>It seems there was a bit of a miscommunication somewhere.</p><p>The 65% run speed dire bear with the other stats is available in-game and is not the one that you get from the retail box.</p><p>The retail box dire bear is still the one that grows with you and caps out at 52% run speed.</p><p>- Kirstie</p></blockquote><p>Ok, so the issue was with the Allakhazam's article then?  I'll make sure to spread the word within my guild. </p>

graewulf
11-13-2008, 05:15 PM
<p><cite>Kirstie wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hi All,</p><p>It seems there was a bit of a miscommunication somewhere.</p><p>The 65% run speed dire bear with the other stats is available in-game and is not the one that you get from the retail box.</p><p>The retail box dire bear is still the one that grows with you and caps out at 52% run speed.</p><p>- Kirstie</p></blockquote><p>I hope it's available to all players who play EVERQUEST 2...not Legends of Norrath. (It disgusts me to even type that foul name...)</p>

Frijoles
11-13-2008, 05:19 PM
<p><cite>Kirstie wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hi All,</p><p>It seems there was a bit of a miscommunication somewhere.</p><p><strong>The 65% run speed dire bear with the other stats is available in-game</strong> and is not the one that you get from the retail box.</p><p>The retail box dire bear is still the one that grows with you and caps out at 52% run speed.</p><p>- Kirstie</p></blockquote><p>How will the 'in-game' version of the dire bear mount be obtainable? (Via quest reward or status merchant purchase or by some other means?)</p>

Kizee
11-13-2008, 05:21 PM
<p><cite>Curs3 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>you going to increase the expensive 32-40 plat mounts to balance this out or going to leave it hanging?</p></blockquote><p>It would be nice if they did increase all the guild level 80 mounts to something faster.</p><p>This is something people get for free and it's better than the highend mounts that people ground writs and payed alot of plat for.</p>

Kiara
11-13-2008, 05:22 PM
<p>Guys, all the info is in <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=435615" target="_blank">this thread</a>.</p>

Curs3
11-13-2008, 05:24 PM
<p><cite>Kizee wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Curs3 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>you going to increase the expensive 32-40 plat mounts to balance this out or going to leave it hanging?</p></blockquote><p>It would be nice if they did increase all the guild level 80 mounts to something faster.</p><p>This is something people get for free and it's better than the highend mounts that people ground writs and payed alot of plat for.</p></blockquote><p>exactly</p>

woolf2k
11-13-2008, 05:29 PM
<p>you dont' get the complete client with the box either, only the installer. Everything still gets downloaded.</p><p>if you did then there would be like 25 CD's since the game is lime 15gigs.</p><p>or 5 DVD's (single sided DVDs only hold like 2G)</p>

Yimway
11-13-2008, 05:33 PM
<p>Ever get the feeling if there were multiple threads praising the expansion, they wouldn't all get rolled into one thread?</p>

feldon30
11-13-2008, 05:34 PM
EverQuest II ships on 2 DVDs. It did in EoF, Kunark, and I'm sure the same for TSO. But you are right in one regard. If it's like last year, then the "The Shadow Odyssey" DVDs will contain Kunark and probably everything up to LU46 or 47. They won't contain any TSO files. So get ready for 1-2 hours of downloads.

Thunndar316
11-13-2008, 05:39 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>you dont' get the complete client with the box either, only the installer. Everything still gets downloaded.</p><p>if you did then there would be like 25 CD's since the game is lime 15gigs.</p><p>or 5 DVD's (single sided DVDs only hold like 2G)</p></blockquote><p>Actually a dual layer DVD holds 9 Gigs.  A standard DVD-R holds over 4.7 Gigs</p>

Thunndar316
11-13-2008, 05:46 PM
<p><cite>Drash wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kirstie wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hi All,</p><p>It seems there was a bit of a miscommunication somewhere.</p><p><strong>The 65% run speed dire bear with the other stats is available in-game</strong> and is not the one that you get from the retail box.</p><p>The retail box dire bear is still the one that grows with you and caps out at 52% run speed.</p><p>- Kirstie</p></blockquote><p>How will the 'in-game' version of the dire bear mount be obtainable? (Via quest reward or status merchant purchase or by some other means?)</p></blockquote><p>LoN loot card <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /></p>

Curs3
11-13-2008, 05:50 PM
<p>what will happen to 32-40 plat mounts.</p>

kreepr
11-13-2008, 05:59 PM
<p><cite>Curs3 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>what will happen to 32-40 plat mounts.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Nothing, they will stay the same just like when every other mount came out before.I swear is that all people can do is complain??? </span></p>

Kizee
11-13-2008, 06:03 PM
<p><cite>kreepr13 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Curs3 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>what will happen to 32-40 plat mounts.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Nothing, they will stay the same just like when every other mount came out before.I swear is that all people can do is complain??? </span></p></blockquote><p>Because SoE keeps screwing over the longtime customers. It's not rocket science why we complain.</p><p>It doesn't make sence that you need to put in ALOT of work to get a guild to 80 and pay a ton of plat to get something that joe noob will get just from buying game.</p>

Bloodfa
11-13-2008, 06:03 PM
<p><cite>Curs3 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>what will happen to 32-40 plat mounts.</p></blockquote><p>Re-sell to the vendor for a loss. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Meriwyn
11-13-2008, 06:12 PM
<p>Ok just wondering could we PLEASE have some mounts that don't look like the wargs or dire bears with awesome stats. I really dislike the appearance of them but would like to have a mount with good stats. Maybe the same stats with the horse, glowie horse, unicorn, or ghost horse graphics.</p>

feldon30
11-13-2008, 06:20 PM
Between the D.I.R.T.Y. carpet, tradeskill mounts, and 65% runspeed Bear (attainable with Void Shards at level 80), all the other mounts in the game are ridiculously overpriced and overleveled for their purpose. Frankly, the D.I.R.T.Y. carpet is completely overpowered at its current state. It should scale up like the Dire Bear.

Curs3
11-13-2008, 06:25 PM
<p>they arent over priced, i like the fact that theres not alot it increases the value.  but the fact is that you can get something similar without paying out the</p><p>is just ridiculous to do that to people.</p><p>i guess you are right they will become overpriced.</p>

jolissa3
11-13-2008, 06:31 PM
<p><cite>graewulf wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kirstie wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hi All,</p><p>It seems there was a bit of a miscommunication somewhere.</p><p>The 65% run speed dire bear with the other stats is available in-game and is not the one that you get from the retail box.</p><p>The retail box dire bear is still the one that grows with you and caps out at 52% run speed.</p><p>- Kirstie</p></blockquote><p>I hope it's available to all players who play EVERQUEST 2...not Legends of Norrath. (It disgusts me to even type that foul name...)</p></blockquote><p>SOE would never never ever do that to their loyal customers!!!!!</p><p>....................... but they will use the very cool blue and red ghost versions for Legends of Norrath. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p>

feldon30
11-13-2008, 06:32 PM
<p>I can deal with 15-30p for a mount, if it had a runspeed of 65-70%. Paying that for 50% is absurd.</p><p>Hell, I RUN at 66%.</p>

Xanrn
11-13-2008, 06:39 PM
<p>Yes the Guild Level 80 expensive as hell Guild Mounts need higher run speed. Atleast 60%.</p><p>And they need a better sell back price.</p><p>And the what follows is a short list of mounts I would like.</p><p>Raptor.</p><p>Polar Bear</p><p>Wurm</p><p>Giant Monitor Lizard</p>

Full_Metal_Mage
11-13-2008, 08:14 PM
<p><cite>Meriwyn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ok just wondering could we PLEASE have some mounts that don't look like the wargs or dire bears with awesome stats. I really dislike the appearance of them but would like to have a mount with good stats. Maybe the same stats with the horse, glowie horse, unicorn, or ghost horse graphics.</p></blockquote><p>Vulrich, FTW!  <a href="http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/eq2/images/b/b4/A_giant_vulrich.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/e...ant_vulrich.jpg</a></p>

Kizee
11-13-2008, 09:06 PM
<p>Id actually like to see the cat mount they have had for 2 expansions ago made availiable to players.</p>

Armawk
11-13-2008, 10:23 PM
<p><cite>Drash wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How will the 'in-game' version of the dire bear mount be obtainable? (Via quest reward or status merchant purchase or by some other means?)</p></blockquote><p>TSO void shard rewards from doing content.</p><p>which makes sense.</p>

Zarador
11-13-2008, 11:22 PM
<p><cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Drash wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How will the 'in-game' version of the dire bear mount be obtainable? (Via quest reward or status merchant purchase or by some other means?)</p></blockquote><p>TSO void shard rewards from doing content.</p><p>which makes sense.</p></blockquote><p>But that involves instances which some players can't do. </p><p>It would be simple to have a quest that scales, much like the carpet quest with the D.I.R.T.Y. world event since the item scales up with you.</p><p>I actually enjoyed the Unicorn Mount Quest in Vanguard as you achieved a decent mount while doing a very involved and interesting quest that took you all over the appropriate zones for your level.</p><p><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>Also, since this is going to be an item that grows with you, yet locked into the retail box of the game what happens next expansion?  Are they going to explain to the new players "sorry, either purchase two expansions or pass this one by". (This is a point I have not observed as being addressed thus far).</strong></span></p>

Spyderbite
11-13-2008, 11:46 PM
<p><cite>Zarador wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>Also, since this is going to be an item that grows with you, yet locked into the retail box of the game what happens next expansion?  Are they going to explain to the new players "sorry, either purchase two expansions or pass this one by". (This is a point I have not observed as being addressed thus far).</strong></span></p></blockquote><p>Why should it be. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.</p><p>"We're sorry that you weren't able to take advantage of our pre-order offer while you were busy in another game, but this was extended to new and existing players who took advantage of it during a limited time offer."</p><p>I don't see the issue with the exception of our overseas friends who are unable to purchase pre-orders except through people like me who have been buying copies for them.</p><p>This sounds like another entitlement thread in my opinion.</p><p><em>Edited for grammar.</em></p>

Zarador
11-13-2008, 11:54 PM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Zarador wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>Also, since this is going to be an item that grows with you, yet locked into the retail box of the game what happens next expansion?  Are they going to explain to the new players "sorry, either purchase two expansions or pass this one by". (This is a point I have not observed as being addressed thus far).</strong></span></p></blockquote><p>Why should it be. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.</p><p>"We're sorry that you weren't able to take advantage of our pre-order offer while you were busy in another game, but this was extended to new and existing players who took advantage of it during a limited time offer."</p><p>I don't see the issue with the exception of our overseas friends who are unable to purchase pre-orders except through people like me who have been buying copies for them.</p><p>This sounds like another entitlement thread in my opinion.</p><p><em>Edited for grammar.</em></p></blockquote><p>Because...as we learned with Living Legacy...your entittled to have anything you want if your willing to return to a game you stopped supporting.</p><p>But all sarcasim aside, I think it's a nice item for the game that could make for a nice quest incentive since mounts are so coveted.  I'm seriously saying that it would make better content than it does as a perk if that makes reasonable sense.</p><p>They could also make it a huge questline if you did not have the retail box, same with the DD reward.  The incentive would still be there.  Buy the box and get the mount without the quest or buy the DD and get the Void without the quest. Then the option would still be there as well as the incentive.</p><p>I think retail box and DD rewards should be relegated to "fluff" and substaintial rewards like this one made to be content.</p><p>Edit: As an example, our fastest mounts that our family has is 48%.  Were a level 44 Guild and we don't raid so this, for our level 80 characters will be an upgrade.  If new friends join us in the next expansion after TSO they will be limited to the slower mounts.  If were looking for incentives for new players, this is a huge one!.  One of the first things a player attempts to get in Vanguard (that other game) is a Unicorn Mount or Warg (I think anyway).  Almost everyone did the Holiday Reigndeer quest in Vanguard as well.  Clearly players love mounts and since were pushing to make players happy and join the game, this could be a very nice content perk.</p>

Spyderbite
11-14-2008, 12:32 AM
<p><cite>Zarador wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>But all sarcasim aside, I think it's a nice item for the game that could make for a nice quest incentive since mounts are so coveted.  I'm seriously saying that it would make better content than it does as a perk if that makes reasonable sense.</p></blockquote><p>I agree with you.</p><p>However.. at this point.. the pre-order expansions are already shrink wrapped and ready to ship with less than week to go before expansion.</p><p>The really good versions require acquiring tokens in game doing quests both adventure and tradeskill. The pre-order stats on these are still to be seen in game on beta.</p>

Zarador
11-14-2008, 12:49 AM
<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Zarador wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>But all sarcasim aside, I think it's a nice item for the game that could make for a nice quest incentive since mounts are so coveted.  I'm seriously saying that it would make better content than it does as a perk if that makes reasonable sense.</p></blockquote><p>I agree with you.</p><p>However.. at this point.. the pre-order expansions are already shrink wrapped and ready to ship with less than week to go before expansion.</p><p>The really good versions require acquiring tokens in game doing quests both adventure and tradeskill. The pre-order stats on these are still to be seen in game on beta.</p></blockquote><p>The <strong>ONLY</strong> problem I see with that is the mechanics of the reward.  It's a mount that starts as a pet, then grows with you (but you knew that anyway...). The "good versions" as you pointed out are questable...but at what level? 50?</p><p>This makes it an attractive item for a new player to the game.  With that in mind, imagine being a new player on the island and starting a quest for this item.</p><p>(Example) It could start as a pet that requires some training that will send you to various zones for components that the trainer needs.  Then at some point like the Sokokar, you get one (in this case the rewarded one).</p><p>You figure that a new player is quickly going to grow out of their armor that they were rewarded, but a pet that becomes a mount that lasts you throught the game?  That's an awesome quest reward! </p><p>Make it as hard as a signiture/heritage quest even.</p><p>Edit: I wanted to add that the incentive would still be there.  I think the Void Beast and the Mount should be questable. Think of the Haden's Earing Quest.  Now if you could get that item as a reward for DD/Retail many people would still look at it as a nice reward as not everyone likes long quests (I do, but I'm weird that way).  Leave the little fluffy rewards like the pewter figurine as the "extra's".</p>

Spyderbite
11-14-2008, 01:31 AM
<p><cite>Zarador wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>(Example) It could start as a pet that requires some training that will send you to various zones for components that the trainer needs.  Then at some point like the Sokokar, you get one (in this case the rewarded one).</p></blockquote><p>That works for me. But, I'd like to see it maybe six months down the road. Those that join between post pre-order and then have enough on their hands to keep them busy. We don't want to breed the "That looks cool! Why can't I have one?!" crowd. We want to give them inscentive to work towards it. Otherwise, we'd all be running around in raid/pvp gear.</p>

Frijoles
11-14-2008, 03:43 AM
<p><cite>Zarador wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Drash wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How will the 'in-game' version of the dire bear mount be obtainable? (Via quest reward or status merchant purchase or by some other means?)</p></blockquote><p>TSO void shard rewards from doing content.</p><p>which makes sense.</p></blockquote><p>But that involves instances which some players can't do. </p><p>It would be simple to have a quest that scales, much like the carpet quest with the D.I.R.T.Y. world event since the item scales up with you.</p><p>I actually enjoyed the Unicorn Mount Quest in Vanguard as you achieved a decent mount while doing a very involved and interesting quest that took you all over the appropriate zones for your level.</p><p><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>Also, since this is going to be an item that grows with you, yet locked into the retail box of the game what happens next expansion?  Are they going to explain to the new players "sorry, either purchase two expansions or pass this one by". (This is a point I have not observed as being addressed thus far).</strong></span></p></blockquote><p>I pre-ordered both the box and the digital download versions of TSO because I wanted to get both the dire bear mount and the void beast house item for my single account. It's a decision I agonized over because I live on a fixed income with a tight household budget ($40 is a chunk, yo) but in the end, I decided to cut back on some other spending for the month and just go for it.</p><p>I'm also glad to learn that there's an in-game version of dire bear - and that it's faster and has other beneficial effects besides. If I like my /claimable dire bear I may decide to earn some void shards and 'trade up' to the uber one later on.</p><p><img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Transen
11-14-2008, 08:26 AM
<p><cite>Ilucide wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>It is as stated earlier:<ul><li>Retail box gets the bear.</li><li>Digital download gets the caged void beast.</li></ul>Neither gets both. We know you guys want to see copies of our game on the shelves, and so do we. That's why the retail item is there - to encourage retailers to stock our game. It's one of those things that has become more necessary with PC games as the market turns towards digital downloads. Retailers need folks to have a reason to visit the brick and mortar stores. I hope folks understand. It's certainly very difficult to please everyone, and it's a really difficult tightrope to walk, but we do the best we can. =)</blockquote><p>I'm a bit torn by this.  I pre-ordered the retail version and it's probably what I'll stick with as it has the most benefit for my characters but I'm also into working on my various homes when I get burned out on adventuring.</p><p>...I guess I'm just not getting the reasoning as to why it was decided to have the DD version have a pre-order reward that the retail pre-order doesn't.</p><p>Oh well, all you DD pre-orders can eat my bears' dust <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" /></p><p><span style="font-size: xx-small; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">PS:  Before someone says anything about buying both retail and dd, it's not financially an option for me this month (or next month for that matter)...I also had to choose between this expansion and the one for EQ1.</span></p>

Kizee
11-14-2008, 09:02 AM
<p>Everybody keeps saying pre order box....</p><p>I thought a red name confirmed that it has nothing to do with pre order. All the retail boxes have the mounts.</p>

Lilj
11-14-2008, 09:44 AM
<p><cite>Kizee wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Everybody keeps saying pre order box....</p><p>I thought a red name confirmed that it has nothing to do with pre order. All the retail boxes have the mounts.</p></blockquote><p>Yep, you are right.</p><p>I think it was Kirstie that mentioned it earlier. The bear mount is for retail and has nothing to do with pre-order. So if one can dig up a retail box in for example March next year, they can still get a bear mount.</p>

kreepr
11-14-2008, 10:13 AM
<p><cite>Kizee wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>kreepr13 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Curs3 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>what will happen to 32-40 plat mounts.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Nothing, they will stay the same just like when every other mount came out before.I swear is that all people can do is complain??? </span></p></blockquote><p>Because SoE keeps screwing over the longtime customers. It's not rocket science why we complain.</p><p>It doesn't make sence that you need to put in ALOT of work to get a guild to 80 and pay a ton of plat to get something that joe noob will get just from buying game.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">SOE keeps screwing the longtime player over....... LOL No one DESERVES anything really come on now you pay for this game every month because you enjoy playing it. If you feel so screwed over then just find another game or quit. I can think of a ton of businesses that cater to new people and do nothing for long time patrons. That's business..........i still say you people whine to much gimme gimme gimme..........</span></p>

Kizee
11-14-2008, 11:07 AM
<p><cite>kreepr13 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kizee wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>kreepr13 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Curs3 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>what will happen to 32-40 plat mounts.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Nothing, they will stay the same just like when every other mount came out before.I swear is that all people can do is complain??? </span></p></blockquote><p>Because SoE keeps screwing over the longtime customers. It's not rocket science why we complain.</p><p>It doesn't make sence that you need to put in ALOT of work to get a guild to 80 and pay a ton of plat to get something that joe noob will get just from buying game.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">SOE keeps screwing the longtime player over....... LOL No one DESERVES anything really come on now you pay for this game every month because you enjoy playing it. If you feel so screwed over then just find another game or quit. I can think of a ton of businesses that cater to new people and do nothing for long time patrons. That's business..........i still say you people whine to much gimme gimme gimme..........</span></p></blockquote><p>So says the new player. Play as long as some of us and then you can comment. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p>As for quitting.... I am seriously thinking about it from what I have read about this lame duck andventure pack....err expansion.</p>

Loolee
11-14-2008, 11:41 AM
<p><cite>kreepr13 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kizee wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>kreepr13 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Curs3 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>what will happen to 32-40 plat mounts.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Nothing, they will stay the same just like when every other mount came out before.I swear is that all people can do is complain??? </span></p></blockquote><p>Because SoE keeps screwing over the longtime customers. It's not rocket science why we complain.</p><p>It doesn't make sence that you need to put in ALOT of work to get a guild to 80 and pay a ton of plat to get something that joe noob will get just from buying game.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">SOE keeps screwing the longtime player over....... LOL No one DESERVES anything really come on now you pay for this game every month because you enjoy playing it. If you feel so screwed over then just find another game or quit. I can think of a ton of businesses that cater to new people and do nothing for long time patrons. That's business..........i still say you people whine to much gimme gimme gimme..........</span></p></blockquote><p>How exactly is this screwing you over?  Aren't those mounts returnable to the merchant?  Haven't you had them for however many months and gotten good use from them?  At one point you thought they were worth the price.  What exactly has changed?  Oh?  A new mount?  Nifty!!  I bought a '99 Beetle, does it mean Volkswagen is screwing me over because they come out with a new model the next year?</p>

kreepr
11-14-2008, 11:45 AM
<p><cite>Kizee wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>kreepr13 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kizee wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>kreepr13 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Curs3 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>what will happen to 32-40 plat mounts.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Nothing, they will stay the same just like when every other mount came out before.I swear is that all people can do is complain??? </span></p></blockquote><p>Because SoE keeps screwing over the longtime customers. It's not rocket science why we complain.</p><p>It doesn't make sence that you need to put in ALOT of work to get a guild to 80 and pay a ton of plat to get something that joe noob will get just from buying game.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">SOE keeps screwing the longtime player over....... LOL No one DESERVES anything really come on now you pay for this game every month because you enjoy playing it. If you feel so screwed over then just find another game or quit. I can think of a ton of businesses that cater to new people and do nothing for long time patrons. That's business..........i still say you people whine to much gimme gimme gimme..........</span></p></blockquote><p>So says the new player. Play as long as some of us and then you can comment. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p>As for quitting.... I am seriously thinking about it from what I have read about this lame duck andventure pack....err expansion.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">LOL New player.....Going on 3 years and you wanna call me a new player ......... /bowstothealmightylongtimeplayerYou prove my point with that. All you guys are doing is crying, get over it or quit.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></span></p>

Zarador
11-14-2008, 12:25 PM
<p>I certainly can't understand the logic that turning a paid for mount, all be it at a loose, to a merchant because you got a free horse in anyway hoses anyone over:</p><ol><li>It's a used mount, not new, your getting back a portion of the funds, that seems fair.</li><li>Your getting back status (I think the status is a full return) that can be used on more items that are in the game now including Guild Hall Upkeep.</li><li>Most things we purchase give nothing back short of Diety Points, some small change or possibly transmuting.</li><li>If your willing to trade in the old item, for the new item, then you must be deeming it as an upgrade, so that's the small in-game investment you have to make for the mount.</li></ol>

Frigid2000
11-14-2008, 12:41 PM
<p>As always, it goes to show that people will cry about anything. Frankly, I hope some of these long-time forum trollers WILL quit so I can actually find some decent info amongst their spam.</p>

Frijoles
11-14-2008, 04:54 PM
<p><cite>Kizee wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><strong>Everybody</strong> keeps saying pre order box....</blockquote><p>Not me.</p><p>I did pre-order the retail box version though, at Amazon.com.</p><p><img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Wingrider01
11-14-2008, 07:17 PM
<p><cite>Kizee wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>kreepr13 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kizee wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>kreepr13 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Curs3 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>what will happen to 32-40 plat mounts.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Nothing, they will stay the same just like when every other mount came out before.I swear is that all people can do is complain??? </span></p></blockquote><p>Because SoE keeps screwing over the longtime customers. It's not rocket science why we complain.</p><p>It doesn't make sence that you need to put in ALOT of work to get a guild to 80 and pay a ton of plat to get something that joe noob will get just from buying game.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">SOE keeps screwing the longtime player over....... LOL No one DESERVES anything really come on now you pay for this game every month because you enjoy playing it. If you feel so screwed over then just find another game or quit. I can think of a ton of businesses that cater to new people and do nothing for long time patrons. That's business..........i still say you people whine to much gimme gimme gimme..........</span></p></blockquote><p>So says the new player. Play as long as some of us and then you can comment. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p>As for quitting.... I am seriously thinking about it from what I have read about this lame duck andventure pack....err expansion.</p></blockquote><p>Long time player, since release and I agree with him.</p>

Asif
11-14-2008, 08:16 PM
<p><cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kizee wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>kreepr13 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kizee wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>kreepr13 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Curs3 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>what will happen to 32-40 plat mounts.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Nothing, they will stay the same just like when every other mount came out before.I swear is that all people can do is complain??? </span></p></blockquote><p>Because SoE keeps screwing over the longtime customers. It's not rocket science why we complain.</p><p>It doesn't make sence that you need to put in ALOT of work to get a guild to 80 and pay a ton of plat to get something that joe noob will get just from buying game.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">SOE keeps screwing the longtime player over....... LOL No one DESERVES anything really come on now you pay for this game every month because you enjoy playing it. If you feel so screwed over then just find another game or quit. I can think of a ton of businesses that cater to new people and do nothing for long time patrons. That's business..........i still say you people whine to much gimme gimme gimme..........</span></p></blockquote><p>So says the new player. Play as long as some of us and then you can comment. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p>As for quitting.... I am seriously thinking about it from what I have read about this lame duck andventure pack....err expansion.</p></blockquote><p>Long time player, since release and I agree with him.</p></blockquote><p>Hmm i have to agree also .</p><p>From reading the boards lately i find there is so much anger with people i believe you guys need to do what i did take 3 months away from the game and come back with a differant view of the game .</p><p>I am AGAIN having a blast with EQ2 a little time away was good for me, and  i am looking forward to the expansion but thats what worked for me.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Oh
11-14-2008, 08:28 PM
<p><cite>Asif wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Hmm i have to agree also .<p>From reading the boards lately i find there is so much anger with people i believe you guys need to do what i did take 3 months away from the game and come back with a differant view of the game .</p><p>I am AGAIN having a blast with EQ2 a little time away was good for me, and  i am looking forward to the expansion but thats what worked for me.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>ALOT of folks are burt out on this game, but either they don't realise it or in denial. Basically when a game stops being fun it's time to stop playing that game and do something/anything different.</p>