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Laserfoot
10-12-2008, 11:05 AM
My .2 worth  ...been in this game for years...as i've created played multible toons here, i have noticed a monopoly being played with larger guilds on stat numbers active etc being placed on top of guild recruit list...won't name names, but the largest on particular server only has a fraction of active players of a fraction of that...that is very mis-leading...as most everyone knows, many toons try out and move around...some are jilted and fallouts occour within guilds...i think it would behoove SOE devs to impliment a course of action on this issue...i would suggest either name change option or just "lvl/class" ... why even have annon in game if one cannot feel free to move from guild to guild if they wish?  Seems like that if 1 peep makes a mistake somewhere along the line, that toon name is thrown to the wolves...pls remember, this is a community game, and i'm a paying customer...tyvm

Rahatmattata
10-12-2008, 11:09 AM
I don't follow what you're trying to say.Regardless.... /anon is here to stay and I don't think its right to be able to change your character name at will. This IS a community, and a relatively small one at that so think before you act.

Laserfoot
10-12-2008, 11:13 AM
i think you missed my point...this is a shrinking community no matter what happens...i'm jus trying to make things more feasable for the future if we are to exist here...misleading guild stats for recruitment is not the answer, whether you like to group or not...this is a community effort now...jus like the economy in shmbles...if ya know what i mean

erin
10-12-2008, 11:18 AM
<cite>Laserfoot wrote:</cite><blockquote>i think you missed my point...this is a shrinking community no matter what happens...i'm jus trying to make things more feasable for the future if we are to exist here...misleading guild stats for recruitment is not the answer, whether you like to group or not...this is a community effort now...jus like the economy in shmbles...if ya know what i mean</blockquote>I honestly have not the slightest clue what you mean.Can you try and restate what you are atttempting to communicate, because both your OP and this last post make no sense to me at all.All the words are in english but the sentences don't mean anything.

Laserfoot
10-12-2008, 11:21 AM
what i'm trying to say is that many newcomers to this game shoot right for the biggest guild and and SOE compliments them even though the stats are not true...got me?

Laserfoot
10-12-2008, 11:23 AM
inactive players past a month should be wiped off the board...jus like a cell phone account

erin
10-12-2008, 11:44 AM
<cite>Laserfoot wrote:</cite><blockquote>what i'm trying to say is that many newcomers to this game shoot right for the biggest guild and and SOE compliments them even though the stats are not true...got me?</blockquote>No.  Still don't get the problem.You are saying that because big guilds get more frequent and likely higher billing in the guild recruitment tool, new players choose those guilds?What does that have to do with stats?  How does SOE "compliment" them?I'm sorry, you are not getting your point across at all.

Spyderbite
10-12-2008, 12:28 PM
<cite>Laserfoot wrote:</cite><blockquote>inactive players past a month should be wiped off the board...jus like a cell phone account</blockquote>Working for a wireless company I can tell you that cell phone accounts are not wiped after a month. 60 days past due and you're line is disconnected. But, the account remains open indefinitely unless there's a balance due which is sent to collections after 120 days. Regardless, the account still remains open.Anyways.. I too am not understanding your point. Any intelligent new player is going to know better than to assume the "biggest" guild is always the best. In fact, most new players that I've interacted with are looking for a small to medium sized guild to get their feet wet with while they learn to play.Do you have a small guild and feel like you are losing potential recruits to larger guilds? Every guild started out small at one point. So, I guess I don't understand what you are insinuating. That these large guilds are cheating? Or being decpetive in some manner? How is wiping an inactive character after 30 days going to fix anything. I'd lose a couple of my alts if such a rule were in place.

Laserfoot
10-12-2008, 01:00 PM
suppose you're just entering the game, pick server, and look for biggest guild...this guild has 1350 posted members with 600 unique...u play with them for over 2 years and never seen more than 10-20 on at any givin time...what does that tell ya?  ...then you look at accounts dating back 3-4 years on stats... i go "hmmmm" , shall i waste my time with thier trickery to help a group of shysters get what they need?

Laserfoot
10-12-2008, 01:06 PM
Bottom line should be that when an account leaves the guild...the guild should have all the status deducted, just as the character itself

Transen
10-12-2008, 01:06 PM
If I'm reading right, what was being said is:You join guild A...things don't work out and you disband under unfavorable circumstances (big arguement, name calling, ect).  This guild then spams your name in chat channel telling everyone not to let you into their guild for so and such reasons.  Person who disbanded is now blacklisted (sometimes for good reasons, sometimes out of spite).   You now have a toon with a blacklisted name and now you only have the option to delete and reroll that toon under a new name (and if you leveled that blacklisted toon very high, can be devastating) all over again to even be considered for a guild membership (presumably in a guild other than the one that slandered you in level chat)./Anon not really allowing you to be truely anonymous does not allow you to try out a guild without running the risk listed above...That being said, SOE does not and will not do that for the very reason that scammers would use those options you feel should be implemented to rob guilds of their accumulated wealth and in general is a CS nightmare.   This IS a community and unfortunately if you like that name and level so much, then you may have to occassionally defend your honor...that's just another part of how communities work.Then again, I could be way off... :P

Spyderbite
10-12-2008, 01:07 PM
<cite>Laserfoot wrote:</cite><blockquote>i go "hmmmm" , shall i waste my time with trickery to help a group of shysters get what they need?</blockquote>You have a chain attached to your wallet too don't ya? Why would you assume there was "trickery" going on? 600 x 7 = 4200.. if a guild member has all 7 of his characters in the same guild that's alot of characters. I'd be more concerned if people had their characters spread out amongst several guilds.

Rijacki
10-12-2008, 01:15 PM
<cite>Laserfoot wrote:</cite><blockquote>Bottom line should be that when an account leaves the guild...the guild should have all the status deducted, just as the character itself</blockquote>Gotta wonder what you did to get thrown out of the guild to have as much spite in this thread as you do.Your reputation WILL follow you because YOU made it. You can't make yourself anonymous to erase what ever you do.You could try a server move but even that might not help since you've come to the boards and broadcast it.

Laserfoot
10-12-2008, 01:16 PM
ever hear of a "mole"  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   hey if wall street can fool the whole world into destruction, why can't SOE?

erin
10-12-2008, 01:19 PM
<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Laserfoot wrote:</cite><blockquote>Bottom line should be that when an account leaves the guild...the guild should have all the status deducted, just as the character itself</blockquote>Gotta wonder what you did to get thrown out of the guild to have as much spite in this thread as you do.Your reputation WILL follow you because YOU made it. You can't make yourself anonymous to erase what ever you do.You could try a server move but even that might not help since you've come to the boards and broadcast it.</blockquote>Communication skills (or lack thereof) seem to me a likely cause.

Tylia
10-12-2008, 01:31 PM
<cite>Laserfoot wrote:</cite><blockquote>inactive players past a month should be wiped off the board...jus like a cell phone account</blockquote>NOT a good idea.  There are many reasons why people may have to be away from the game for a month or more, but they keep their account open by paying their fee every month, and to have their character wiped after a month would be very bad business on SOE's end.  There was a time at the end of last year where I was unable to log on for almost 2 months.  I never even saw ROK until well after it had been added.  I would have been not only devastated had my toon been wiped out, but extremely upset with SOE and would have stopped paying for the game altogether.I'm sure there are players who have been away for a very long time, but as long as they keep paying their bill every month, they have the right to have their characters remain just as they left them.  Just being "inactive" is no reason to punish someone.

Laserfoot
10-12-2008, 01:34 PM
I know i brought it on to myself but i want to thank you all for the bashing...nothing like a little constructive critisisim<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  ... have a nice day, and happy hunting <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

erin
10-12-2008, 01:36 PM
<cite>Laserfoot wrote:</cite><blockquote>I know i brought it on to myself but i want to thank you all for the bashing...nothing like a little constructive critisisim<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  ... have a nice day, and happy hunting <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>If you had been remotely this clear in any of your other postings this might have been a constructive thread.  Honest constructive criticism here - read what you wrote before you hit submit.

Spyderbite
10-12-2008, 01:38 PM
<cite>Laserfoot wrote:</cite><blockquote>ever hear of a "mole"  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   hey if wall street can fool the whole world into destruction, why can't SOE?</blockquote>Wow. SOE went from Wireless Company to Wall Street Mole in less than 6 posts. What's next.. terrorist group? Sheesh.. jaded much?

Arcueid
10-12-2008, 01:42 PM
<p>SoE suppot's terroism!</p><p>C Wut I did there?</p><p>Well back on topic, in my EQ1 days the anon business used to bother me..then again the people who I've encountered are usually the ones who wished not to be bothered by fellow guildies or strangers alike. (Based upon my personal experince)</p><p>One time I asked a question in Guild Chat and then one member suddently goes /anon without saying "no"</p>

Laserfoot
10-12-2008, 01:59 PM
i'm sorry i can't speak your language or for you to understand what i meant. ..just goes to show ya that there is a communication gap in this game, er like the rest of the world huh?

Laserfoot
10-12-2008, 02:28 PM
Let's say a guild has to go to war against an ememy to score points and build up thier armor and stats for future tougher wars...of course 1 would want to be with the "BIG" guys (1600+ guild)...but when you show up, only a dozen of them are there...am i right or am i right on my complaint here?  I'm trying to put this at a 5th grade lvl for all to understand...garsh!

Arcueid
10-12-2008, 02:46 PM
<cite>Laserfoot wrote:</cite><blockquote>i'm sorry i can't speak your language or for you to understand what i meant. ..just goes to show ya that there is a communication gap in this game, er like the rest of the world huh?</blockquote><p><img src="http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/clone_69/ICWHUTUDID.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></p>

Felshades
10-12-2008, 02:51 PM
<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Laserfoot wrote:</cite><blockquote>Bottom line should be that when an account leaves the guild...the guild should have all the status deducted, just as the character itself</blockquote>Gotta wonder what you did to get thrown out of the guild to have as much spite in this thread as you do.Your reputation WILL follow you because YOU made it. You can't make yourself anonymous to erase what ever you do.You could try a server move but even that might not help since you've come to the boards and broadcast it.</blockquote>not always the case.my account was stolen.  apparently after i quit for a while, someone i knew jacked my account(stupid me with security questions easy to guess if you in fact knew me well enough) and played it for over a year.the name of my main has a stigma attatched to it now.i want it changed.i have no idea if soe will even do that, considering the past few days history of account retrieval or not.but i did not make this reputation for myself on this server.  so thats not always true rijacki.usually it is tho :/

Felshades
10-12-2008, 02:54 PM
<cite>Laserfoot wrote:</cite><blockquote>Let's say a guild has to go to war against an ememy to score points and build up thier armor and stats for future tougher wars...of course 1 would want to be with the "BIG" guys (1600+ guild)...but when you show up, only a dozen of them are there...am i right or am i right on my complaint here?  I'm trying to put this at a 5th grade lvl for all to understand...garsh!</blockquote>so let me get this straight.a semi inactive but extremely large(due to counting inactives) guild showed up on your recruitment list.you joined said guild and found out they were smaller than you thought they were, complained, got in a fight, kicked, and now you're disgruntled?how is it soe's fault that you thought one thing and joined before verifying that the guild is in fact, what you're looking for?do people not talk to guild recruiters anymore?

Ol
10-12-2008, 02:55 PM
First of all, very confusing to read! second of all, i think part of what hes saying is that he doesnt like having guild members in one of the biggest guilds have toons who are off for ridiculous amounts of time. but im not sure of the rest and what /anon has to do with it.

Felshades
10-12-2008, 03:01 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>First of all, very confusing to read! second of all, i think part of what hes saying is that he doesnt like having guild members in one of the biggest guilds have toons who are off for ridiculous amounts of time. but im not sure of the rest and what /anon has to do with it.</blockquote>im thinking he got in a blow up with a guild that he thought was a big, bustling, active guild, and wants /anon to truely be anonymous where he doesnt show up as online etc etc, and no one can find him because he got blacklisted for poor behaviour.but thats what it shows to me and i can be slightly off a tad.

Arcueid
10-12-2008, 03:13 PM
<p>Sounds like an issue that's needed to be discussed with the guild in question, if someone was gone for a long time...it would be up to the guild leader or their officers to decide if that person should go.</p><p>Going anon like that would only hurt guilds, why not just get along with the people in the guild?</p>

M0rticia
10-12-2008, 03:53 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Laserfoot wrote:</cite><blockquote>inactive players past a month should be wiped off the board...jus like a cell phone account</blockquote>NOT a good idea.  There are many reasons why people may have to be away from the game for a month or more, but they keep their account open by paying their fee every month, and to have their character wiped after a month would be very bad business on SOE's end.  There was a time at the end of last year where I was unable to log on for almost 2 months.  I never even saw ROK until well after it had been added.  I would have been not only devastated had my toon been wiped out, but extremely upset with SOE and would have stopped paying for the game altogether.I'm sure there are players who have been away for a very long time, but as long as they keep paying their bill every month, they have the right to have their characters remain just as they left them.  Just being "inactive" is no reason to punish someone.</blockquote>I agree that this is not a good idea. My boyfriend and I took a 7 month break from the game last year because we were burnt out on eq2 and had RL things going on. We knew we were coming back eventually so we kept paying our monthly fees. Why should our accounts be wiped when we were paying our fees and just didn't have the time or desire to log in for a few months?

qsnoopyjr
10-12-2008, 04:10 PM
<p>I think hes trying to say, how Anon does not work when you get kicked out of a guild or something because people flame you. I dont see how it would work anyways, if I was to use Anon, it would just to be to hide my guild name. </p><p>Another thing he is trying to say is theres too many inactive people in a guild so say a guild has like 100 people but 95 people are inactive so its really smaller than other guilds and he doesnt like that, I kind of dont like that either, on EQ1, some guilds have 400 members, only 70 of them played within a week. But its up to the GL if he wants them to stay or go, not up to SONY.</p><p>Another thing I think hes talking about guild faction. How some guilds have very high level, but they havent done anything for a long time or something. I dont know how it works, I'm not sure if its like GW Guild status where it drops such and such amount everyday, like 5%, does that happen in EQ2 or when your lvl 70 guild status rating you stay lvl 70 guild status rating? </p>

Kordran
10-12-2008, 04:53 PM
<p>The crux of the issue seems to be that the OP created some drama when he left said guild and earned a reputation on their server that he doesn't want to live with. To him, I would say: that's your problem, not the guild's, not SOE's.</p><p>I joined guild a while ago that seemed to be what I was looking for, only to be largely populated by what I could only describe as mentally challeged teenagers with Tourette syndrome, a few of them being guild officers. Did I rant in guild chat or just disband? No. I talked to the guild leader and  told him that personal committments meant that I didn't feel I could contribute fully to the guild, and would disband myself, and thanked him for the invitation.</p><p>I knew that whatever I said, positive or negative, wouldn't substantially change the "character" of the guild (particularly with me a new member), so why go negative? That white lie meant I didn't burn any bridges with anyone, in the guild or the server in general, I was able to exit stage left gracefully, and no one got their feelings hurt. A win-win.</p><p>When you're talking about any group of people, politics invariably come into play ... which is basically figuring out how to get what you want, while making everyone else feel okay about it. A skill the OP would be well advised to learn.</p>

Thunderthyze
10-13-2008, 04:37 AM
I thought the OP was referring to the fact that so many people run around with anon flags up these days that you can never find who's online leading to a feeling of less sociability on servers.......but maybe thats not what he was on about?

Oh
10-13-2008, 07:28 AM
<cite>Felshades wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Laserfoot wrote:</cite><blockquote>Bottom line should be that when an account leaves the guild...the guild should have all the status deducted, just as the character itself</blockquote>Gotta wonder what you did to get thrown out of the guild to have as much spite in this thread as you do.Your reputation WILL follow you because YOU made it. You can't make yourself anonymous to erase what ever you do.You could try a server move but even that might not help since you've come to the boards and broadcast it.</blockquote>not always the case.my account was stolen.  apparently after i quit for a while, someone i knew jacked my account(stupid me with security questions easy to guess if you in fact knew me well enough) and played it for over a year.the name of my main has a stigma attatched to it now.i want it changed.i have no idea if soe will even do that, considering the past few days history of account retrieval or not.but i did not make this reputation for myself on this server.  so thats not always true rijacki.usually it is tho :/</blockquote><p>Well Not that I would normally recomend this, but there is a simple way to "correct" any sort of stigma that your character might have. The solution thou will cost you. It will cost you to transfer to another server and ensure that there is a character with your name so that you have to do a rename. Then if you so desire transfer back to your original server. Never said it was cheap, just said there is a way...</p><p>As to me, I normally try and make my sort of security questions around topics that I just don't discuss with others because it is none of their flipping business. This unfortunatly is hindsight for you thou. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I do wish you the best of luck getting things sorted out.</p>

Arcueid
10-13-2008, 10:33 AM
<p>As for deleting characters after x years of being inactive, this has already been discussed under the "I want that unique name but that player has never logged on in years!" topic.</p>