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Natturabi
10-09-2008, 11:34 AM
<p>  This kind of touches on some other threads and concerns I've seen recently, but i didn't want to hijack somebody elses post.  Here is my problem.  In order to maximize my ability to do writs in Tenebrous Tangle, I have locked 10 of 12 toons at various times in their careers to continue doing certain writs, at 64th level to be exact.  I do my fill of writs, unlock experience and move on.</p><p>  Due to recent experience recalculations, 3 of 4 toons I had locked at 64th now display anywhere from 132 to 172 percent gained for next level.  This means that any experience they get, quest or discovery and I will ding 65th.  At this point I would have to abandon my meticulous planning and embark on new adventures much sooner than I had anticipated for those characters.</p><p>  Now I'm a reasonable person and I know that there are other writs, and other ways to get status.  But one character in particular I pretty much created and groomed for this purpose, and he is sitting at 132%.  I now live in terror that I will be going about my merry business and stumble across some discovery.  Like rediscovering the temple in North Qeynos.   I know I've been there before, but I have seen it reset and give out multiple discoveries for multiple characters.</p><p>  So what I am asking for is a way to flush experience down the toilet, maybe by the AA respec guy or something.  Maybe some reassurance that I could petition this in game and have a GM lower my experience.  I know that most people aren't going to have this problem or sympathize with me in any way but please, I'm losing sleep!</p>

Doodar
10-09-2008, 11:36 AM
If as you say you are losing sleep over this that is a bigger issue the the in game experience change imo. Again this is my opinion.

ZeroByte
10-09-2008, 11:36 AM
Are you for real?How about you delete your toon because I doubt SOE will flush your experience.

Brook
10-09-2008, 11:49 AM
<p>I do empathize with you and started raising hell about it as soon as I read about the change (in a nice way of coarse).</p><p>They wil be adding features to switch off exp gains but that does you no good as you are already over the level you wished to stay at. I would petition, and when they tell you no, re-petition and ask for it to be escalated. When they say "no" and give you a canned response about why they can't, <u><b>call</b></u> customer service... you would be surprised how fast things that "can't" be done are often fixed. </p><p>Though I must admit that customer service has been improving the past couple of years so a phone call might not be needed.</p>

Faenril
10-09-2008, 12:11 PM
The XP boost change should have all been made optionnal, since obviously some love it and some hate it. Why not make everyone happy and make a toggle "I want fast XP" in the first place ?

Natturabi
10-09-2008, 12:15 PM
<cite>[email protected] DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Are you for real?How about you delete your toon because I doubt SOE will flush your experience.</blockquote>  Yeah, I am for real.  I would definitely consider deleting a toon and recreating if it comes to that.  But not my 64th lvl wizard/80th jeweler that has many master level spells and even secured a LoN Token of Loyalty.  I don't think flushing experience is that outrageous of a request.  I mean I didnt ask for it in the first place.  If it is going to be easy to level to 70, fine.  But I dont think anyone seriously needs levels shoved down their throats.

skinandbones
10-09-2008, 02:28 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>  This kind of touches on some other threads and concerns I've seen recently, but i didn't want to hijack somebody elses post.  Here is my problem.  In order to maximize my ability to do writs in Tenebrous Tangle, I have locked 10 of 12 toons at various times in their careers to continue doing certain writs, at 64th level to be exact.  I do my fill of writs, unlock experience and move on.</p><p>  Due to recent experience recalculations, 3 of 4 toons I had locked at 64th now display anywhere from 132 to 172 percent gained for next level.  This means that any experience they get, quest or discovery and I will ding 65th.  At this point I would have to abandon my meticulous planning and embark on new adventures much sooner than I had anticipated for those characters.</p><p>  Now I'm a reasonable person and I know that there are other writs, and other ways to get status.  But one character in particular I pretty much created and groomed for this purpose, and he is sitting at 132%.  I now live in terror that I will be going about my merry business and stumble across some discovery.  Like rediscovering the temple in North Qeynos.   I know I've been there before, but I have seen it reset and give out multiple discoveries for multiple characters.</p><p>  So what I am asking for is a way to flush experience down the toilet, maybe by the AA respec guy or something.  Maybe some reassurance that I could petition this in game and have a GM lower my experience.  I know that most people aren't going to have this problem or sympathize with me in any way but please, I'm losing sleep!</p></blockquote><p>If your losing sleep over this its time for you to get outside to RL world then.  Take a break!</p><p>If I may ask what is so important about a certain writt your doing that you cant ding 65th?  What meticulous planning is so defining that your losing sleep over?  </p><p>64? 65? 66? So what go play the game and last get some sleep.</p>

Krescendo
10-09-2008, 02:50 PM
<p>Some people treat EQ II like a ride on a commercial jet.  The lower levels are just a means to get to the top level, and they want it as quick and as painless as possible.</p><p>Others treat it like sailing, it is not about where you are going, but the trip itself.</p><p>At any rate, I understand both points of view and happen to share the original poster's. I feel your pain.</p><p>I suppose I am less tolerant of abusive individuals who think there way is the only way, but I am sure that is part of your gaming experience.</p>

Amytheyst
10-09-2008, 03:37 PM
Kinda reminds me of the folks hollering about outleveling the mob too soon in SS that drops the T6/T7 rares every respawn.

Thunndar316
10-09-2008, 04:07 PM
<p>They increase XP gain and people STILL find something to complain about.</p><p>Amazing <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> </p><p>Keep your xp locked and finish your writs.  </p>

woolf2k
10-09-2008, 05:21 PM
I empathize with you. Sometime ago I gave thought of doing something similar for similar purposes and just game it up cause it was too much work. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />yet you have taken that time to set your characters up and now a game change has affected that.... unfortunately, SOE can't cover every possibility how changes will  affect players and for the most part the xp bonus was positive. And you do accept changes like these every time you accept the contract that pops up when you run the game. but as SOE is a business and probably wants there customers to be happy. if I were you, I would persue this as someone else stated in this thread... petition/petition/customer service... I personaly don't see it as a unreasonable request that can be solved on a case by case basis.good luck to you...

Oh
10-09-2008, 05:27 PM
<p>sigh maybe my alt's are bugged, I don't know but I didn't get any of this "bonus recalculated xp". They both were the same level and they both leveled just like normal. Then again I was towards the early part of the level and not the later part of the level when this patch hit that might be why I didn't see it. /shrug</p><p>As to the person wanting to keep his char at the appropriate level to do those writs, good luck. >.< I don't know if you ding if you will still be able to get that writ or not, I know for me normally there is a small (very small) buffer that you can still do the writ.</p>

Cele
10-09-2008, 05:53 PM
<p>AH!!  A fellow sentry writ addict.....I did those on an alt until my eyes bled.  She has over 300K guild status points, and I would say 175K or more is from whacking sentries! </p><p>She hit 65 a couple weeks ago and is done.  I thought about locking her, but decided if I did another sentry writ my brain would implode.</p>

Frijoles
10-09-2008, 06:05 PM
I feel your pain, Guillermo. My 12 have always been locked because otherwise stuff seems to rush by too fast for them to do when it's level appropriate. I suggest locking your experience and keeping it locked. It may not help with the stuff you were doing at 64, but it'll help you stay in the next niche you're able to find. 

Valsehna
10-09-2008, 06:13 PM
<cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>sigh maybe my alt's are bugged, I don't know but I didn't get any of this "bonus recalculated xp". They both were the same level and they both leveled just like normal. Then again I was towards the early part of the level and not the later part of the level when this patch hit that might be why I didn't see it. /shrug</p><p>As to the person wanting to keep his char at the appropriate level to do those writs, good luck. >.< I don't know if you ding if you will still be able to get that writ or not, I know for me normally there is a small (very small) buffer that you can still do the writ.</p></blockquote><p>Color me dense, but I'm afraid I just don't understand either.</p><p>The experience required to level was reduced, but I don't know how that "made" you level?</p>

rosie01
10-09-2008, 07:39 PM
<p>Please excuse my noobness.  I am at a loss at to what the issue is other than you don't want to level.</p><p> How do you lock xp so you don't get any?</p>

Oh
10-09-2008, 07:49 PM
<cite>rosie01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Please excuse my noobness.  I am at a loss at to what the issue is other than you don't want to level.</p><p> How do you lock xp so you don't get any?</p></blockquote>Right click on your XP bar, and select disable combat XP. Just as it says it will do, that means you will still gain XP via quests, and via discoverys. Just not via combat.

Trellium
10-09-2008, 09:42 PM
I have always had my experience locked. Yet, when I logged in I got a level and a half of experience I didn't want. It greys out quests I had.They should have made it optional, instead of removing one whole level of gameplay. If your combat experience was locked, it shouldn't have been applied. They also need to make the vitality optional, or let us shut off experience entirely. Even with combat experience off, the leveling is way too fast.

Natturabi
10-09-2008, 09:47 PM
<cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>sigh maybe my alt's are bugged, I don't know but I didn't get any of this "bonus recalculated xp". They both were the same level and they both leveled just like normal. Then again I was towards the early part of the level and not the later part of the level when this patch hit that might be why I didn't see it. /shrug</p><p>As to the person wanting to keep his char at the appropriate level to do those writs, good luck. >.< I don't know if you ding if you will still be able to get that writ or not, I know for me normally there is a small (very small) buffer that you can still do the writ.</p></blockquote><p>Color me dense, but I'm afraid I just don't understand either.</p><p>The experience required to level was reduced, but I don't know how that "made" you level?</p></blockquote><p>  As far as I can tell the bonus experience was based on how much was accumulated in the level the character was currently in.  My one lowbie was a 29th level necro who had just leveled and recalled to Neriak.  He is still exactly 29th and got no bonus exp.  My 64th level assassin was locked at about 95% and is now 172% to 65th level.</p><p>  So Ohiv, if you had 2 characters who just leveled, they probably got no bonus.  And I don't understand why we were forced to level just because the leveling was made easier.</p><p>  To the people curious about what I was doing and why I want to stay 64th level..there are 4 writs you can get from the four factions in Qeynos at 60-64 range that all call for scaleborn sentries in the Tenebrous Tangle.  So you get them, kill 20 sentries and get alot of status.  At 65th level they are no longer available.  I have alot of characters, 10 out of 12 are 64+.  So I am running out of opportunities to do them, and this makes me sad.</p>

Kiara
10-09-2008, 09:49 PM
It's already been stated that the dev team is looking into ways to give more options to adjust your exp gain.They also said that it wouldn't make it into this update.<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=429922" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Experience changes feedback thread</a>

Trellium
10-09-2008, 10:07 PM
<cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's already been stated that the dev team is looking into ways to give more options to adjust your exp gain.They also said that it wouldn't make it into this update.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=429922" target="_blank">Experience changes feedback thread</a></blockquote>Then the whole experience change should have been held back until it was fully implemented.

skinandbones
10-10-2008, 09:06 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>sigh maybe my alt's are bugged, I don't know but I didn't get any of this "bonus recalculated xp". They both were the same level and they both leveled just like normal. Then again I was towards the early part of the level and not the later part of the level when this patch hit that might be why I didn't see it. /shrug</p><p>As to the person wanting to keep his char at the appropriate level to do those writs, good luck. >.< I don't know if you ding if you will still be able to get that writ or not, I know for me normally there is a small (very small) buffer that you can still do the writ.</p></blockquote><p>Color me dense, but I'm afraid I just don't understand either.</p><p>The experience required to level was reduced, but I don't know how that "made" you level?</p></blockquote><p>  As far as I can tell the bonus experience was based on how much was accumulated in the level the character was currently in.  My one lowbie was a 29th level necro who had just leveled and recalled to Neriak.  He is still exactly 29th and got no bonus exp.  My 64th level assassin was locked at about 95% and is now 172% to 65th level.</p><p>  So Ohiv, if you had 2 characters who just leveled, they probably got no bonus.  And I don't understand why we were forced to level just because the leveling was made easier.</p><p>  To the people curious about what I was doing and why I want to stay 64th level..there are 4 writs you can get from the four factions in Qeynos at 60-64 range that all call for scaleborn sentries in the Tenebrous Tangle.  So you get them, kill 20 sentries and get alot of status.  At 65th level they are no longer available.  I have alot of characters, 10 out of 12 are 64+.  So I am running out of opportunities to do them, and this makes me sad.</p></blockquote>So in other words you want to continue to exploit (maybe a strong word) a writ to reap the rewards.  Level lock continue the same writ 20 million times for guild status.  Hrmmm sounds pretty odd to me. 

Brook
10-10-2008, 09:51 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>sigh maybe my alt's are bugged, I don't know but I didn't get any of this "bonus recalculated xp". They both were the same level and they both leveled just like normal. Then again I was towards the early part of the level and not the later part of the level when this patch hit that might be why I didn't see it. /shrug</p><p>As to the person wanting to keep his char at the appropriate level to do those writs, good luck. >.< I don't know if you ding if you will still be able to get that writ or not, I know for me normally there is a small (very small) buffer that you can still do the writ.</p></blockquote><p>Color me dense, but I'm afraid I just don't understand either.</p><p>The experience required to level was reduced, but I don't know how that "made" you level?</p></blockquote><p>  As far as I can tell the bonus experience was based on how much was accumulated in the level the character was currently in.  My one lowbie was a 29th level necro who had just leveled and recalled to Neriak.  He is still exactly 29th and got no bonus exp.  My 64th level assassin was locked at about 95% and is now 172% to 65th level.</p><p>  So Ohiv, if you had 2 characters who just leveled, they probably got no bonus.  And I don't understand why we were forced to level just because the leveling was made easier.</p><p>  To the people curious about what I was doing and why I want to stay 64th level..there are 4 writs you can get from the four factions in Qeynos at 60-64 range that all call for scaleborn sentries in the Tenebrous Tangle.  So you get them, kill 20 sentries and get alot of status.  At 65th level they are no longer available.  I have alot of characters, 10 out of 12 are 64+.  So I am running out of opportunities to do them, and this makes me sad.</p></blockquote>So in other words you want to continue to exploit (maybe a strong word) a writ to reap the rewards.  Level lock continue the same writ 20 million times for guild status.  Hrmmm sounds pretty odd to me. </blockquote>What I find odd is that as long as your account has been active it seems as your just hearing about this (trick).

CrazyMoogle
10-10-2008, 12:37 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite> To the people curious about what I was doing and why I want to stay 64th level..there are 4 writs you can get from the four factions in Qeynos at 60-64 range that all call for scaleborn sentries in the Tenebrous Tangle.  So you get them, kill 20 sentries and get alot of status.  </blockquote>I'm curious if any of the "real MMO gamers" will flame you for wanting to get status the "easy, instant-gratification way" rather than doing writs 1 at a time.

ArivenGemini
10-10-2008, 12:43 PM
<cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>sigh maybe my alt's are bugged, I don't know but I didn't get any of this "bonus recalculated xp". They both were the same level and they both leveled just like normal. Then again I was towards the early part of the level and not the later part of the level when this patch hit that might be why I didn't see it. /shrug</p><p>As to the person wanting to keep his char at the appropriate level to do those writs, good luck. >.< I don't know if you ding if you will still be able to get that writ or not, I know for me normally there is a small (very small) buffer that you can still do the writ.</p></blockquote><p>Color me dense, but I'm afraid I just don't understand either.</p><p>The experience required to level was reduced, but I don't know how that "made" you level?</p></blockquote>If it was (for example)  at 100 points you get to level 20,  200 points and you are level 21, 400 points and you are level 22... then if they adjust those points to say 80, 180, and 300...   and you had say 190 points in your xp pool, then you would qualify for level 21 in the new setup.It isnt automagic, because it looks like they check for leveling only when you receive XP... so you have to go out and get some xp to force the check.I had 3 alts get a ding, and a couple that didnt on my main account.

Natturabi
10-10-2008, 12:44 PM
<blockquote>So in other words you want to continue to exploit (maybe a strong word) a writ to reap the rewards.  Level lock continue the same writ 20 million times for guild status.  Hrmmm sounds pretty odd to me. </blockquote><p>  Didn't see any point in quoting all the quotes multiple times, so I edited it down.  If this is an exploit (yeah, pretty strong word) and they want me to be 65th level so I stop exploiting, so be it.  Some people would argue that doing tradeskill writs is a more efficient way to get guild status than my method.   I guess those people are exploiting the system as well.</p><p>  In all seriousness tho, to me the problem is going to be achievement points in the long run.  The level cap stays at 80 and the AA are raised to 200.  You can only stomach so many grey quests for AA and who will there be left to mentor if everyone is thrusted into the 70s at a rapid pace.</p><p>  I propose a method to transfer gained experience to AA.  This way people could stay at a relative level and do all the things at an appropriate level.  There would definitely have to be a cap, wouldn't want to see a 20th level guy with 200 AA.</p><p>  Thats not to say that something hasn't been developed or is on the drawing board for the next expansion along these lines, but I think it is needed.  Dang have to go to work.  Later on yall</p>

ArivenGemini
10-10-2008, 12:44 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite> To the people curious about what I was doing and why I want to stay 64th level..there are 4 writs you can get from the four factions in Qeynos at 60-64 range that all call for scaleborn sentries in the Tenebrous Tangle.  So you get them, kill 20 sentries and get alot of status.  </blockquote>I'm curious if any of the "real MMO gamers" will flame you for wanting to get status the "easy, instant-gratification way" rather than doing writs 1 at a time.</blockquote>risk to reward rule of thumb puts those writs into the not so good category to me... honestly I think they should be changed... either to different mobs,  or give every tier of writs the same capacity. good enough for ya?  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

convict
10-10-2008, 12:58 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>  This kind of touches on some other threads and concerns I've seen recently, but i didn't want to hijack somebody elses post.  Here is my problem.  In order to maximize my ability to do writs in Tenebrous Tangle, I have locked 10 of 12 toons at various times in their careers to continue doing certain writs, at 64th level to be exact.  I do my fill of writs, unlock experience and move on.</p><p>  Due to recent experience recalculations, 3 of 4 toons I had locked at 64th now display anywhere from 132 to 172 percent gained for next level.  This means that any experience they get, quest or discovery and I will ding 65th.  At this point I would have to abandon my meticulous planning and embark on new adventures much sooner than I had anticipated for those characters.</p><p>  Now I'm a reasonable person and I know that there are other writs, and other ways to get status.  But one character in particular I pretty much created and groomed for this purpose, and he is sitting at 132%.  I now live in terror that I will be going about my merry business and stumble across some discovery.  Like rediscovering the temple in North Qeynos.   I know I've been there before, but I have seen it reset and give out multiple discoveries for multiple characters.</p><p>  So what I am asking for is a way to flush experience down the toilet, maybe by the AA respec guy or something.  Maybe some reassurance that I could petition this in game and have a GM lower my experience.  I know that most people aren't going to have this problem or sympathize with me in any way but please, I'm losing sleep!</p></blockquote><p>If your losing sleep over this its time for you to get outside to RL world then.  Take a break!</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><i><b>If I may ask what is so important about a certain writt your doing that you cant ding 65th?  What meticulous planning is so defining that your losing sleep over?  </b></i></span></p><p>64? 65? 66? So what go play the game and last get some sleep.</p></blockquote>This person made this thread because they are doing writs for sentries. They can get all their writs to kill only sentries, thus making it easier to gain status. Finish 1 writ, you actually finish them all. At those levels your looking at kill 15 sentries I believe it's 9800 x 3 writs or so status, and another writ of kill 20 sentries is aout 11k status.

CrazyMoogle
10-10-2008, 01:03 PM
<cite>ArivenGemini wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite> To the people curious about what I was doing and why I want to stay 64th level..there are 4 writs you can get from the four factions in Qeynos at 60-64 range that all call for scaleborn sentries in the Tenebrous Tangle.  So you get them, kill 20 sentries and get alot of status.  </blockquote>I'm curious if any of the "real MMO gamers" will flame you for wanting to get status the "easy, instant-gratification way" rather than doing writs 1 at a time.</blockquote>risk to reward rule of thumb puts those writs into the not so good category to me... honestly I think they should be changed... either to different mobs,  or give every tier of writs the same capacity. good enough for ya?  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>No, you need to accuse the OP of "demanding instant-gratification", claim he is getting "maximum status in an instant", bemoan him for "dumbing down the experience of the game", and then demand he "go play Halo since it matches him better."You will learn, young padewan <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

skinandbones
10-10-2008, 02:29 PM
<cite>Brook wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ohiv wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>sigh maybe my alt's are bugged, I don't know but I didn't get any of this "bonus recalculated xp". They both were the same level and they both leveled just like normal. Then again I was towards the early part of the level and not the later part of the level when this patch hit that might be why I didn't see it. /shrug</p><p>As to the person wanting to keep his char at the appropriate level to do those writs, good luck. >.< I don't know if you ding if you will still be able to get that writ or not, I know for me normally there is a small (very small) buffer that you can still do the writ.</p></blockquote><p>Color me dense, but I'm afraid I just don't understand either.</p><p>The experience required to level was reduced, but I don't know how that "made" you level?</p></blockquote><p>  As far as I can tell the bonus experience was based on how much was accumulated in the level the character was currently in.  My one lowbie was a 29th level necro who had just leveled and recalled to Neriak.  He is still exactly 29th and got no bonus exp.  My 64th level assassin was locked at about 95% and is now 172% to 65th level.</p><p>  So Ohiv, if you had 2 characters who just leveled, they probably got no bonus.  And I don't understand why we were forced to level just because the leveling was made easier.</p><p>  To the people curious about what I was doing and why I want to stay 64th level..there are 4 writs you can get from the four factions in Qeynos at 60-64 range that all call for scaleborn sentries in the Tenebrous Tangle.  So you get them, kill 20 sentries and get alot of status.  At 65th level they are no longer available.  I have alot of characters, 10 out of 12 are 64+.  So I am running out of opportunities to do them, and this makes me sad.</p></blockquote>So in other words you want to continue to exploit (maybe a strong word) a writ to reap the rewards.  Level lock continue the same writ 20 million times for guild status.  Hrmmm sounds pretty odd to me. </blockquote>What I find odd is that as long as your account has been active it seems as your just hearing about this (trick).</blockquote>Simple because I never have and never will do writts.  I find them boring and unreleated to the game.

Azekah1
10-10-2008, 02:43 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Simple because I never have and never will do writs.  I find them boring and unreleated to the game.</blockquote>lol