Quest arc

[Keikoku]

What I'd like to see is another quest arc along the lines of SoD and Claymore. I don't count the epic, as (at least for monks), it didn't take that long to get Fabled. I'm talking do a quest arc that will take months to complete. And obviously, make it very lore based. I want to read the quest dialog, and wonder where to go and what the heck the NPC was talking about. I want it to take weeks/months before someone puts up a walkthrough on the wikia.

[Coniaric]

<p>I'll say wait and see what new expansion will bring. That'll tell more about what the storyline will be. The Shadow Odyssey was rumored to be a lore-driven expansion. </p><p>Also, right now, the Live Events are a series of prelude leading up to the expansion release.</p>

[DragonMaster2385]

<p>I don't think that the expansionw ill have a quest arc like you are asking for; I think it will BE a quest arc.  The entire expansion is story driven.</p>

[ke'la]

<cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'll say wait and see what new expansion will bring. That'll tell more about what the storyline will be. <span style="color: #66ffff;">The Shadow Odyssey was rumored to be a lore-driven expansion.</span> </p><p>Also, right now, the Live Events are a series of prelude leading up to the expansion release.</p></blockquote>Actually the ONLY thing about the next expansion that is NOT a rumor is that it is going to be VERY lore-driven. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Keikoku]

<cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'll say wait and see what new expansion will bring. That'll tell more about what the storyline will be. <span style="color: #66ffff;">The Shadow Odyssey was rumored to be a lore-driven expansion.</span> </p><p>Also, right now, the Live Events are a series of prelude leading up to the expansion release.</p></blockquote>Actually the ONLY thing about the next expansion that is NOT a rumor is that it is going to be VERY lore-driven. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></blockquote> That part alone makes me a happy panda. I'm no expert on lore, but I love reading it, and love the quests that actually lead to something.

[Cusashorn]

Yes, but sadly, as always, the questline will eventually lead to Epic quests that require raids to complete. They'll never give the common Quester a chance to see the ending for themselves.

[ke'la]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yes, but sadly, as always, the questline will eventually lead to Epic quests that require raids to complete. They'll never give the common Quester a chance to see the ending for themselves.</blockquote>Which is really sad because most, not all(otherwise we would never find out how they end) but most raiders really don't care much about the lore, they care about beating the Major Bosses and Getting the loot, and for the Hardcore guilds I do believe it is in that order.::EDIT::While as the same time it seems that most, again not all but most. Of the people who are really into the lore side of the game are not all that interested in the Raiding aspect.

[Coniaric]

<cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'll say wait and see what new expansion will bring. That'll tell more about what the storyline will be. <span style="color: #66ffff;">The Shadow Odyssey was rumored to be a lore-driven expansion.</span> </p><p>Also, right now, the Live Events are a series of prelude leading up to the expansion release.</p></blockquote>Actually the ONLY thing about the next expansion that is NOT a rumor is that it is going to be VERY lore-driven. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Yes, that's true. This statement and one about not getting to see the ending to the questline due to the raid requirement.

[Meirril]

<cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yes, but sadly, as always, the questline will eventually lead to Epic quests that require raids to complete. They'll never give the common Quester a chance to see the ending for themselves.</blockquote>Which is really sad because most, not all(otherwise we would never find out how they end) but most raiders really don't care much about the lore, they care about beating the Major Bosses and Getting the loot, and for the Hardcore guilds I do believe it is in that order.::EDIT::While as the same time it seems that most, again not all but most. Of the people who are really into the lore side of the game are not all that interested in the Raiding aspect. </blockquote>Maybe because most of the players are not raiders? Just a guess, but I think less than half of the player base raids. "Hardcore" raiders probably make up less than 10%. So saying that a minority of the people interested in Lore are end-game raiders...seems statistically probable.

[TaleraRis]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yes, but sadly, as always, the questline will eventually lead to Epic quests that require raids to complete. They'll never give the common Quester a chance to see the ending for themselves.</blockquote>Never say never. All we can do is keep requesting it and pleading our case.

[TwistedFaith]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yes, but sadly, as always, the questline will eventually lead to Epic quests that require raids to complete. They'll never give the common Quester a chance to see the ending for themselves.</blockquote>OMG not this crap again.Fabled epic were put in for this exact reason, whats wrong with them. If you expect a mythical reward from a solo quest line then you need to wake up and just quit this game and ALL mmo's like this. Go play second life or something.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>TwistedFaith wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yes, but sadly, as always, the questline will eventually lead to Epic quests that require raids to complete. They'll never give the common Quester a chance to see the ending for themselves.</blockquote>OMG not this crap again.Fabled epic were put in for this exact reason, whats wrong with them. If you expect a mythical reward from a solo quest line then you need to wake up and just quit this game and ALL mmo's like this. Go play second life or something.</blockquote><p>2 words: Chelsith Stone.</p><p>NONE of us non-raiding questers would have ever found out about the future fate of Norrath if some RAIDER hadn't killed Trakanon in VP, and was kind enough to share the details of the quest info. Apparently, you think I'm talking about *THE* Epic quests, which I am not.</p>

[TwistedFaith]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TwistedFaith wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yes, but sadly, as always, the questline will eventually lead to Epic quests that require raids to complete. They'll never give the common Quester a chance to see the ending for themselves.</blockquote>OMG not this crap again.Fabled epic were put in for this exact reason, whats wrong with them. If you expect a mythical reward from a solo quest line then you need to wake up and just quit this game and ALL mmo's like this. Go play second life or something.</blockquote><p>2 words: Chelsith Stone.</p><p>NONE of us non-raiding questers would have ever found out about the future fate of Norrath if some RAIDER hadn't killed Trakanon in VP, and was kind enough to share the details of the quest info. Apparently, you think I'm talking about *THE* Epic quests, which I am not.</p></blockquote>Then whats the problem. The raider completed the quest and finished the story, questing and combat go hand in hand if you cannot deal with this then like I said go play second life or something. If the quest line eventually turns into a epic tale then yes you should expect to have to do something epic to finish it.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>TwistedFaith wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TwistedFaith wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yes, but sadly, as always, the questline will eventually lead to Epic quests that require raids to complete. They'll never give the common Quester a chance to see the ending for themselves.</blockquote>OMG not this crap again.Fabled epic were put in for this exact reason, whats wrong with them. If you expect a mythical reward from a solo quest line then you need to wake up and just quit this game and ALL mmo's like this. Go play second life or something.</blockquote><p>2 words: Chelsith Stone.</p><p>NONE of us non-raiding questers would have ever found out about the future fate of Norrath if some RAIDER hadn't killed Trakanon in VP, and was kind enough to share the details of the quest info. Apparently, you think I'm talking about *THE* Epic quests, which I am not.</p></blockquote>Then whats the problem. The raider completed the quest and finished the story, questing and combat go hand in hand if you cannot deal with this then like I said go play second life or something. If the quest line eventually turns into a epic tale then yes you should expect to have to do something epic to finish it.</blockquote><p>The way I read it, you quickly thought I was talking about the fabled and mythical epic weapons, which I am not. Those have nothing to do with this at all.</p><p>Many of us questers don't care about the rewards. We'll do it for the sake of doing it. Many questers care about the story of the game, and that in itself would be a reward to see for ourselves. I don't care about mythical weapons, but I don't feel I should be forced to find and spend the hours and hours with some uber guild just to finish the story.</p>

[Keikoku]

If this were a heroes tale, those of us who want the story but don't raid are sort of the sidekicks.  We're the ones who get injured halfway through and tell the true hero(raiders) to go on without us.  I hate feeling like the sidekick.  But due to my work hours and time zone, I'm only able to raid on weekends.  SOE should at least give us casual players at least some sort of feeling that we've impacted the story and history of Norrath.  Cusa's right.  I don't care about the reward.  Just let me and my PuG take out an instanced named once in a while, and be told that it has an effect on something somewhere.  Hell, make all the instances HIGHLY lore based(which I think it might since this expansion is lore heavy?).  Make it if I succeed in one instance, another instance is slightly harder/easier based upon what we've done.  Not too difficult to do that.  Even EQ1 gave debuffs when working on Demi plane access.  Do something like that.  But make it for a good reason, not "just because".

[DragonMaster2385]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TwistedFaith wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yes, but sadly, as always, the questline will eventually lead to Epic quests that require raids to complete. They'll never give the common Quester a chance to see the ending for themselves.</blockquote>OMG not this crap again.Fabled epic were put in for this exact reason, whats wrong with them. If you expect a mythical reward from a solo quest line then you need to wake up and just quit this game and ALL mmo's like this. Go play second life or something.</blockquote><p>2 words: Chelsith Stone.</p></blockquote>Those two words hit home with me.  I was super irritated (for lack of a better approved word) when some hardcore raider posted the conversation with Mayong about the Chelsith Stone.  My guild will probably get to VP some day, but it may not be before TSO comes out, which at that point defeats the purpose of the conversation since I will have already started that part of the journey.  I am not asking for any raid worthy quest rewards or anything like that, but I think there should be a heroic or even solo quest line that results in the same conversation and getting the Chelsith Stone.  The above poster hit the nail on the head with the hero/sidekick analogy.  Shutting out the vast majority from the arcing storyline for the next expansion is not a wise decision.  I can only hope that a live event before the release will bring me face to face with Mayong (or even one of his followers).