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Chakra74
06-05-2008, 02:14 PM
<p>Is there a site where I can view the average dps of each of the classes at 80th level?  </p><p>I recently joined a pick up group with my 80th conjuror, and one of the players had a parser.  To my amazement the berserker in the group was owning me in dps while also being the tank.  I haven't been parsed in a long time, since I used to raid a few expansions ago.  Back then I always got to see my name near the top especially during group encounters.  Since then I've been mostly grouping with friends and mentoring.</p><p>We were in Karnors Castle and I was doing anywhere from 800-1400 dps with my air pet.  On average it seems I was doing around 1000 dps though.  I have almost all legendary equipment and have all my spells at, at least adept 3.  I also have a crit rate of 33 percent and have capped +spell damage.  While I was averaging 1000 dps, the berserker in the group was averaging around 1600 dps and sometimes getting 2000.   Since he parses a lot this berserker, he went on to tell me that monks and bruisers usually average about 150 dps less then him along with guardians.  He then told me that I'm parsing about right for a conjuror and that casters generally do less than tanks.</p><p>I was wondering if the nice community here can verify this to me, since I haven't seen a chart yet that shows average dps at 80 for each class.  </p><p>When I made my conjuror a few years ago, they released a dps chart that showed their intention for casters to all be on the top 3 tiers with conjurors and necromancers being on tier 2 when using a dps pet, while at tier 3 when using a tank.  While watching this parser information come back, I noticed that the original chart I read is no where near accurate anymore.</p><p>Thank you ahead of time for any information you can provide or link.</p>

interstellarmatter
06-05-2008, 02:30 PM
<p>It's hard to do a chart because DPS is so situational and rises/falls with dev changes.</p><p>ATM, the Beserker can crank out some crazy DPS.  But who knows, that could change with the next LU.  We might see Templars topping parses by 2009.  I gave up worrying about my place on parses a long time ago.</p>

Jesdyr
06-05-2008, 02:59 PM
No chart .. DPS has a lot of variables that can change a characters DPS greatly. GearSpell levelsFight timetime between figthscasting orderMob/encountgroup makeup (buffs given to you and debuffs on mob)Try EQ2flames .. there tends to be really good guides in the class forums there. Many of the hardcore players do not post on these forums.

Windowlicker
06-05-2008, 03:54 PM
<cite>Chakra74 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I recently joined a pick up group with my 80th conjuror, and one of the players had a parser.  To my amazement the berserker in the group was owning me in dps while also being the tank. </p></blockquote>Easy, that's because they broke Mage DPS and refuse to fix it.  Now everyone can beat us.Welcome to RoK.

Yimway
06-05-2008, 04:02 PM
Honestly, if the berserker is topping you, you are doing something wrong.  its hard to give you a clear breakdown of dps ranking by class, but any breakdown is going to place any mage over any fighter.  Your class simply has more dps potential.That being said, It is more common in a PuG for my guard to top the list than not.  But thats more an aspersion of the quality of player I find in a pug.In a guild group, it will fall like this assassin>wizard>coercer>guard>dirge>templar.  For us in a group, assasin is doing 3.5ish, 3ish on wiz, 2.5-3k on coercer, 1800-2200 on guard, 1500 on dirge, and 800ish on templar.  And we're by no means end game geared.Lastly, be sure your pet was named the same as you so that your dps was totaled together by parser.  You should be able to push out 2.5k pretty easy, getting higher on fast fights is tough.

Squigglle
06-05-2008, 07:44 PM
predators, sorcerers, and summoners got the highest dps id say

re1master
06-06-2008, 12:21 AM
<cite>Squigglle wrote:</cite><blockquote>predators, sorcerers, and summoners got the highest dps id say</blockquote>and rogues.  Our guild's brigand does 5k+dps, with no mythical epic.

Illine
06-06-2008, 05:44 AM
<cite>Chakra74 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I were in Karnors Castle and I was doing anywhere from 800-1400 dps with my air pet.  On average it seems I was doing around 1000 dps though.  I have almost all legendary equipment and have all my spells at, at least adept 3.  I also have a crit rate of 33 percent and have capped +spell damage.  While I was averaging 1000 dps, the berserker in the group was averaging around 1600 dps and sometimes getting 2000.   Since he parses a lot this berserker, he went on to tell me that monks and bruisers usually average about 150 dps less then him along with guardians.  He then told me that I'm parsing about right for a conjuror and that casters generally do less than tanks.</p><p>I was wondering if the nice community here can verify this to me, since I haven't seen a chart yet that shows average dps at 80 for each class.  </p><p>When I made my conjuror a few years ago, they released a dps chart that showed their intention for casters to all be on the top 3 tiers with conjurors and necromancers being on tier 2 when using a dps pet, while at tier 3 when using a tank.  While watching this parser information come back, I noticed that the original chart I read is no where near accurate anymore.</p></blockquote><p>first, it's green, so the fights are quite fast and no problem hitting.</p><p>What I know is that casters do need some time to increase their dps, first you debuff, then you start casting your spells, and while you cast them, the zerk continues hitting.</p><p>then was he is offensive or defensive stance? how was he buffed ? what was the group compo? I mean some buffs do increase a lot the figher dps, healers do help, mages also, assassin, dirge ...</p><p>so you have to take all those factors into consideration. Were YOU buffed? (fury, trouba, illu??)</p><p>in raid, conju will be placed in a mage dps group that will increase highly their base dps and the fight is much longer than in group, so doing less dps than a zerk on a heroic fight is not that awfull.</p><p>then try to compare YOUR solo dps and HIS, like in the training wall in kunzar, both in dps mod to really compare.</p>

Zeuhl
06-06-2008, 06:05 AM
 It's not uncommon for a tank, especially a zerk, to top the parse or be close to it in an instance where the mobs are dying really fast. It takes some time for a mage to really get kickin' with their dps whereas I can start off hitting hard. I wouldn't take it too personal and just remember that on orange mobs when he can't hit anything and in longer raid fights that you <i>should</i> slaughter his dps.

Arkinon
06-06-2008, 05:24 PM
Of course unless your a pally... they your DPS sucks reguardless.... My coji (now a necro) had the same issues. They nefred the summoners DPS a lot a while back and it has never recovered. Also the parse may be skewed depending on how far away you were. It will depend on the parse you are using.

Yimway
06-06-2008, 05:29 PM
<cite>Arkinon wrote:</cite><blockquote>Of course unless your a pally... they your DPS sucks reguardless.... My coji (now a necro) had the same issues. They nefred the summoners DPS a lot a while back and it has never recovered. Also the parse may be skewed depending on how far away you were. It will depend on the parse you are using.</blockquote>Maybe your pally sucks at dps.However, I group with pallies that do 3K + on raids and keep up with our beat my guardian dps while tanking.  More likely its a bad aa build and gear choices that gives you this outlook.But if your dps spec'd and 900str/int, you should be doing just fine for fighter dps on pally.

Laiina
06-07-2008, 12:21 PM
My Conjuror DPS sucks because I spend half the fight refreshing shards <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

yzyh
06-07-2008, 06:31 PM
<cite>Chakra74 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Is there a site where I can view the average dps of each of the classes at 80th level?  </p><p>I recently joined a pick up group with my 80th conjuror, and one of the players had a parser.  To my amazement the berserker in the group was owning me in dps while also being the tank.  I haven't been parsed in a long time, since I used to raid a few expansions ago.  Back then I always got to see my name near the top especially during group encounters.  Since then I've been mostly grouping with friends and mentoring.</p><p>We were in Karnors Castle and I was doing anywhere from 800-1400 dps with my air pet.  On average it seems I was doing around 1000 dps though.  I have almost all legendary equipment and have all my spells at, at least adept 3.  I also have a crit rate of 33 percent and have capped +spell damage.  While I was averaging 1000 dps, the berserker in the group was averaging around 1600 dps and sometimes getting 2000.   Since he parses a lot this berserker, he went on to tell me that monks and bruisers usually average about 150 dps less then him along with guardians.  He then told me that I'm parsing about right for a conjuror and that casters generally do less than tanks.</p><p>I was wondering if the nice community here can verify this to me, since I haven't seen a chart yet that shows average dps at 80 for each class.  </p><p>When I made my conjuror a few years ago, they released a dps chart that showed their intention for casters to all be on the top 3 tiers with conjurors and necromancers being on tier 2 when using a dps pet, while at tier 3 when using a tank.  While watching this parser information come back, I noticed that the original chart I read is no where near accurate anymore.</p><p>Thank you ahead of time for any information you can provide or link.</p></blockquote><p>1) When a melee own a parser he usualy miss a lot of the range attacker dmg. (when I play with my brother we both run the same aprser but I usualy see him doing 40%less dmg then what he do</p><p>2) Count total dmg rather then DPS. If a dude is doing nothign the whole fight but then sue his 2 best dmg skill in 4sec. His DPS will apear to be huge while he did almost no damage.</p><p>3) Zerker will out dmg a lot of class on the AoE content</p><p>4) Tank often end with the best DPS of the group simply bcuz everyone buff him.</p><p>5) Zerker are a bit OP as group tank while they are near useless to a raid.</p><p>6) what was the zerker gear compared toy your ? and was he in a DPS spell while you where in a solo spec ?</p><p>7) what was your groupmate ? You had a dirge buffing melee DPS or a troub buffing caster DPS ?</p>

Kellin
06-08-2008, 03:41 PM
8.  Did your pet have the same name as you?Parsers count damage done by each name in the group.  If your pet has a different name, its damage will be posted separately from yours, effectively splitting your damage between two people.

Soulforged_Unre
06-08-2008, 03:50 PM
<cite>yzyh wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>2) Count total dmg rather then DPS. If a dude is doing nothign the whole fight but then sue his 2 best dmg skill in 4sec. His DPS will apear to be huge while he did almost no damage.<p>4) Tank often end with the best DPS of the group simply bcuz everyone buff him.</p></blockquote>2): If you have Advanced Combat tracker, use ExtDPS instead of DPS or total damage. ExtDPS is the: Damage divided by the encounters duration, not by the individual combatants fight duration, which fixes that problem.4): If a single group is giving dps buffs to the tank over DPS classes present then they deserver to be booted. All defensive buffs go to the tank, all dps helping buffs go to the dps classes.

Soulforged_Unre
06-08-2008, 04:00 PM
<cite>Chakra74 wrote:</cite><blockquote>We were in Karnors Castle and I was doing anywhere from 800-1400 dps with my air pet.  On average it seems I was doing around 1000 dps though.  I have almost all legendary equipment and have all my spells at, at least adept 3.  I also have a crit rate of 33 percent and have capped +spell damage.  While I was averaging 1000 dps, the berserker in the group was averaging around 1600 dps and sometimes getting 2000.   Since he parses a lot this berserker, he went on to tell me that monks and bruisers usually average about 150 dps less then him along with guardians.  He then told me that I'm parsing about right for a conjuror and that casters generally do less than tanks.</blockquote>You ran into a berserker with a complex. Brawlers that know how to play their class will beat berserkers on anything except multi-target encounters. And well played guardians will, again not on multi-target encounters, match a well played berserker.His comment about casters generally doing less dps than tanks is completely laughable. He's built himself a nice little bubble of rhetoric to get him through the days. Caster's played properly will almost always outdo tanks, there is really no competition. You (conjuror) and berserker's are both aoe classes, and you should be outdoing him by at least half a thousand dps, likely more.Judging from what you said of your gear and spell levels, you should have been over 2.5k.