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Mudpup
05-30-2008, 03:39 PM
<p>As a member of a very active but very, very small family guild, I find it a bit disheartening not to have access to some of the "better" mounts in the game just because of my guild's level (even though our little band of adventurers is very committed to Norrath, we're certainly aren't level 50 yet). I suppose we could tradeskill for a few decades to grind our guild up to 80, but it would be really nice to have some alternative way of earning the mounts, like through city faction, or class archetype faction, etc.  rather than JUST guild level.  It just seems odd to me that a person who's done very little in the way of earning rank towards guild level can join a very large guild and gain access to the mount (whether they have the SPs to purchase one is another issue), while someone who's done far more in terms of contributing status towards guild level but is in a smaller guild, can not.</p><p>Anyone else feel similarly?</p>

Sassinak
05-30-2008, 04:19 PM
I agree.  I belong to a high level guild, but this always bothered me.Since we can earn Personal Status Points, there should be some way that we can "personally" earn access to these status items.

Razlath
05-30-2008, 04:24 PM
<p>Could see them doing something like charging double the status for every 5 lvls your guild was too low (with non-guilded counting as guild lvl 0).  I like the idea that you have to advance your group to get certain things, and our guild is really small so that isn't coming from an uber sized guild.  But at the same time, I can see how people would like to be able to buy stuff purely off their own personal merit.  As long as the cost for not advancing your group was high enough, I don't see why peeps would complain.</p>

Spyderbite
05-30-2008, 04:32 PM
<cite>Sassinak wrote:</cite><blockquote>Since we can earn Personal Status Points, there should be some way that we can "personally" earn access to these status items.</blockquote>I disagree and this poor horse has already been beaten, resurrected, beaten again, rinse and repeat several times.All of the mounts are attainable in some fashion or another regardless if you are guilded or not. You just pay more plat rather than spending status points. And, a few of the mounts such as the carpets are available by completing quests.The discounted mounts were introduced to promote guild participation and acknowledge a guild's hard work. There's no reason to belittle the achievement to accommodate the smaller guilds and non-guilded folks. Getting to level 50 in a guild simply through tradeskill writs will not take a decade. It is in fact the quickest and most direct route. My guild went from level 65 to 80 in just a few of months as a result of a team effort consisting of many rush order writs from members of all level.I realize some people are allergic to the tradeskill instances. But, when it comes to your goals as a guild you have to put your distastes aside for a while and reconsider your priorities.

interstellarmatter
05-30-2008, 04:32 PM
Then what would be the point of having guild levels?

Selantyr
05-30-2008, 04:52 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><cite>Sassinak wrote:</cite><snip>All of the mounts are attainable in some fashion or another regardless if you are guilded or not. You just pay more plat rather than spending status points. <snip></p></blockquote>Is this true?  I was not aware that, for example, nightmares can be purchased by a non-guilded character, or by a character in a guild below level 40.  Has this been recently changed?

Asif
05-30-2008, 05:04 PM
<cite>Mudpup wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>As a member of a very active but very, very small family guild, I find it a bit disheartening not to have access to some of the "better" mounts in the game just because of my guild's level (even though our little band of adventurers is very committed to Norrath, we're certainly aren't level 50 yet). I suppose we could tradeskill for a few decades to grind our guild up to 80, but it would be really nice to have some alternative way of earning the mounts, like through city faction, or class archetype faction, etc.  rather than JUST guild level.  It just seems odd to me that a person who's done very little in the way of earning rank towards guild level can join a very large guild and gain access to the mount (whether they have the SPs to purchase one is another issue), while someone who's done far more in terms of contributing status towards guild level but is in a smaller guild, can not.</p><p>Anyone else feel similarly?</p></blockquote><p>I am sorry i dont agree, what about the guilds like ours who have to grind it out with both tradeskill and adventure writs and HQs we dont raid very much we are a causal guild but we have made 75.</p><p>You need to let your guild grow in size there are lots of awesome people out there who once they join a guild are great people and love to help their new guild mates.</p><p>When i joined this guild it was a very same guild ( 10 accounts top lvl 18&nbsp<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and we have expanded to the 6/7 largest guild in our server and we have a blast (Big guilds do have growing problems every now and then tho ).</p><p>Also we dont let people join our guild just for the free perks either.</p><p>Best of luck to you tho  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></p>

Anesh
05-30-2008, 06:27 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>All of the mounts are attainable in some fashion or another regardless if you are guilded or not. You just pay more plat rather than spending status points.     </blockquote>No they aren't. For example the rhinos say you can't buy them, AT ALL, until you are guild level "x". In some fashion or another do you mean spending hundreds of dollars on LON booster packs for the rare chance you will unwrap a mount, or coughing up an exorbitant amount of dough to buy the mount card?

Wingrider01
05-30-2008, 11:26 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>All of the mounts are attainable in some fashion or another regardless if you are guilded or not. You just pay more plat rather than spending status points.     </blockquote>No they aren't. For example the rhinos say you can't buy them, AT ALL, until you are guild level "x". In some fashion or another do you mean spending hundreds of dollars on LON booster packs for the rare chance you will unwrap a mount, or coughing up an exorbitant amount of dough to buy the mount card? </blockquote>There is a rhino mount for sale for plat only with no status points needed - Rillis Faction Rhino, 18 plat, no status, no guild lvl required, but 40k+ positive faction with Rillis

Mariss
05-31-2008, 04:52 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>No they aren't. For example the rhinos say you can't buy them, AT ALL, until you are guild level "x". In some fashion or another do you mean spending hundreds of dollars on LON booster packs for the rare chance you will unwrap a mount, or coughing up an exorbitant amount of dough to buy the mount card? </blockquote>All mounts are available whether guilded or not.  Wargs you can complete a quest for in LP that will give you access to purchase warg mounts.  Rhinos you can purchase in RoK after completing a quest (and some faction).Your local city mount vendor in your home city isn't the only place to purchase mounts.

Zarador
05-31-2008, 11:35 AM
I read this, then read it again.  Boggles the mind.  Were only a small family member Guild at level 39.  I would in no way expect them to change this to allow us to gain things we have not yet earned.   I mean honestly, those are perks for "X" amount of effort.  How could I expect there be an alternate route to achieve what 200 people achieved all working together towards their goal.  They already set the bar on what must be achieved, how would it be fair to those working to achieve that to have someone catch up because of a shortcut? Rewards are Rewards!  Why is it so many people always look for some alternate route around getting something?  If I kill 1,000 snakes, instead of 10 Heroic ^^^ Cyclops, can I get that? Nope, clearly says you need 10 of them, not 1,000 of those.  It's not the same effort, the effort was supposed to be in line with the reward. Any fool with enough time could do that, takes a greater force and stronger ability to do the other.They added the Trade skill Writs long ago so you had an extra method to possibly achieve that goal.  Now if you choose to remain small (as we do) then you choose to wait longer on rewards that the larger guilds gain quickly.  How is it feasible that 8 active accounts (like our guild) could achieve the same rewards as 200 active accounts that are hard core raiding and grinding out writs?  It's not. Rewards were NOT made for everyone, they were designed to be received ONLY by those who complete the task or quest presented to them.

Windowlicker
05-31-2008, 11:40 AM
Seriously, what would be the point of leveling a guild if it wasn't for perks like mounts?I'm sorry, but we have a guild on Mistmoore populated with a single person.  He's leveled the guild to 67 all by himself.  So really the only thing I can suggest is to stop slacking and level your guild.

Elorah
05-31-2008, 12:46 PM
I have tried to stay away, but I just couldnt.....My Guild has 5 Accounts.   Only 3 are active...  My 2 and another.  I have been grinding crafting writs and my friend has been tackling adventure.  Originally the guild was made for family and friends...  all of whom have moved on or canceled due to lack of money.  We do not invite outsiders in as my 12 year old son plays in it (when his account is active).  This is my way of protecting him a small bit....lol  We JUST got guild level 30.....I remember when the change occurred to guild status, I was very sad.  It used to be based on how many people were in the guild.  If you had fewer people in the guild, then more status would be given to the guild.  It made it easier for smaller guilds to gain levels.  The larger guilds became upset as they did the same amount work as the smaller guilds, but got less status....  then you had the guilds that would exploit this and kick everyone out but a few, gain the levels and then reinvite.... *rolls eyes*I can understand both sides of the equation....  I miss being able to donate more status when I grind writs...  My playstyle is not meant for raiding, so that is out.  Due to Real life, I solo and craft a lot....  This is my choice.  Am I sad that I can not gain certain items with a small guild?  Absolutely....  But it is my choice to stay in a small guild.  Do I wish that small HONEST guilds could get some assistance with this?  Absolutely.....  but I dont see that happening....

Arkinon
06-02-2008, 04:23 PM
First off YOU CANT buy the GOOD mounts unless you have guild status. There is 1 exception. The heavy armored warg that drops in fens.  The armored Wargs you need to be guild lvl 75. The above average armored rhinos 75 the  spirit steeds and nightmares at 60 & you need to have guild lvl for.  The nightmare wargs you need lvl 80 for The only ones you can buy or quest that are above average are the 45 Carpet quest in Maj'Dul, 55 Wargs in Loping plains, and the crappy rhino from RoK. NONE of these have the special enhancements that the guild status mounts have. The guild I just left has very few active members but managed to get to 60 in a couple of years. Its not impossible just takes more time.

phoenixshard
06-02-2008, 04:47 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>No they aren't. For example the rhinos say you can't buy them, AT ALL, until you are guild level "x". In some fashion or another do you mean spending hundreds of dollars on LON booster packs for the rare chance you will unwrap a mount, or coughing up an exorbitant amount of dough to buy the mount card? </blockquote>All mounts are available whether guilded or not.  Wargs you can complete a quest for in LP that will give you access to purchase warg mounts.  Rhinos you can purchase in RoK after completing a quest (and some faction).Your local city mount vendor in your home city isn't the only place to purchase mounts.</blockquote>Then please tell me where I can get the nightmare mount without being in a level 40 (I think is minimum guild level), I'd love to know where it is.

Jesdyr
06-02-2008, 05:40 PM
<cite>Arkinon wrote:</cite><blockquote>First off YOU CANT buy the GOOD mounts unless you have guild status. There is 1 exception. The heavy armored warg that drops in fens.  The armored Wargs you need to be guild lvl 75. The above average armored rhinos 75 the  spirit steeds and nightmares at 60 & you need to have guild lvl for.  The nightmare wargs you need lvl 80 for The only ones you can buy or quest that are above average are the 45 Carpet quest in Maj'Dul, 55 Wargs in Loping plains, and the crappy rhino from RoK. NONE of these have the special enhancements that the guild status mounts have. The guild I just left has very few active members but managed to get to 60 in a couple of years. Its not impossible just takes more time. </blockquote>This is 100% truth. I have almost solo leveled a guild to 51 (I would say I did about 3/4th of it). 50 is attainable by small guilds. Once you hit 51 there is a brick wall that does not go away. At this point it becomes painfully slow. On Unrest I know of another small guild that has had 1-2 people working on leveling it. They are 63 atm .. the main person who has been leveling this is currently the 4th highest on the contributed status leaderboard with 8,945,597 Guild SP. From Eq2 players the rest of the guild put in about 2mil SP. Think about that.. If you did all ~9mil with tradeskill writs .. it would be about 7500 writs .. at 6 min a writ that is 31.25 days of nonstop writs.

Besual
06-03-2008, 05:53 AM
<cite>Arkinon wrote:</cite><blockquote>First off YOU CANT buy the GOOD mounts unless you have guild status. There is 1 exception. The heavy armored warg that drops in fens.  The armored Wargs you need to be guild lvl 75. The above average armored rhinos 75 the  spirit steeds and nightmares at 60 & you need to have guild lvl for.  The nightmare wargs you need lvl 80 for The only ones you can buy or quest that are above average are the 45 Carpet quest in Maj'Dul, 55 Wargs in Loping plains, and the crappy rhino from RoK. NONE of these have the special enhancements that the guild status mounts have. The guild I just left has very few active members but managed to get to 60 in a couple of years. Its not impossible just takes more time. </blockquote>The heavy armored warg drops in more zones then Fens. I have seen it dropping twice from nameds in Sebilis. I could be wrong but isn't the ghost warg a LoN loot card?

Valdaglerion
06-03-2008, 11:03 AM
<p>I agree and always have.</p><p>Mounts should be available to every player in the game based on their personal contributions and status, nothing more.</p><p>Guild rewards need to be changed and provide things more along the lines of discounts from city vendors, perhaps a small discount on the broker fee, discounts in housing cost, perhaps a small % added to the price vendors will buy things for. These are the collective STATUS things which would normally be afforded a higher ranking association of people. This would of course extend to mounts as a discount would be offered in their purchase. Additionally, mounts of an exotic nature would be offered only to level x guilds but not mounts that supercede all others in runspeed or combat stats. Merely a show of status.</p><p>And personally, all guild rewards that require a guild level should become unusable at any point you are not associated with a guild of that level. No more buying your way in for 2 minutes to buy a mount and then leaving.</p>

Jesdyr
06-03-2008, 11:16 AM
<cite>Besual wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I could be wrong but isn't the ghost warg a LoN loot card?</blockquote>Yes .. there are 2 ghost wargs from LoN

Zarador
06-03-2008, 11:29 AM
<cite>[email protected] Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I agree and always have.</p><p>Mounts should be available to every player in the game based on their personal contributions and status, nothing more.</p><p>Guild rewards need to be changed and provide things more along the lines of discounts from city vendors, perhaps a small discount on the broker fee, discounts in housing cost, perhaps a small % added to the price vendors will buy things for. These are the collective STATUS things which would normally be afforded a higher ranking association of people. This would of course extend to mounts as a discount would be offered in their purchase. Additionally, mounts of an exotic nature would be offered only to level x guilds but not mounts that supercede all others in runspeed or combat stats. Merely a show of status.</p><p>And personally, all guild rewards that require a guild level should become unusable at any point you are not associated with a guild of that level. No more buying your way in for 2 minutes to buy a mount and then leaving.</p></blockquote>Respectfully, how is it that people can accept that if they don't craft, they wont be a crafter, if they don't raid, they won't get raid gear?   Our Guild is family and friends only, were still only level 39 and have a long way to go.  We accept that the limitations that we put on ourselves limit what we can do and receive as rewards.Why can't I have the run speed of another race without being that race or having some extraordinary means of achieving that run speed?  Why is it I can't get LoN rewards that are used in the game when I play Everquest II, but don't engage in LoN?  The answer is simple, I did not make that choice.What these posts often suggest is make the rewards something that have little interest to me, so I won't feel slighted when I don't receive them.  That's not how rewards and incentives work my friend. As far as the revocation of rewards after one leaves a Guild, the answer is also simple.  If you go on a raid with people and are awarded some fabled item, you get to use it, even if you never raid with them again.  You already earned that perk, it's yours to keep.   If a Guild who earned the right to purchase that level of reward allows a stranger in to use that ability they earned, that's their choice.  If a member who had enough points to spend uses those points in that guild, they get the rewards.

Arkinon
06-03-2008, 01:50 PM
There a 2 spirit steads that require guild status... which is what I was refering to. The ghostly wargs are rare LoN cards and I havent even seen one on mistmoore. It doesnt mean they dont exsist i just havent seen it.

Sir Longsword
06-03-2008, 03:02 PM
<cite>phoenixshard wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite>Then please tell me where I can get the nightmare mount without being in a level 40 (I think is minimum guild level), I'd love to know where it is.</blockquote>You cannot get a nightmare unless you are in a lvl 40 guild and you have about 20p and 400k personal sp's.  Oh, and your evil.  Just trying to answer your question.