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Elstaf
05-27-2008, 06:10 PM
<p>I just recieved the July/Aug. edition of Beckett Massive Online Gamer and there is a full page add by SOE for this website. It says "We're still in the fight, is the fight still in you? Experience the Living Legacy events now! Its time for all past, present and future EQ and EQII players to celebrate their heritage. Free game play time, in game items, discounts and live events await! Join the adventure, become a legend, live the legacy." <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.eqlivinglegacy.com/" target="_blank">www.eqlivinglegacy.com</a>   With the game logos and a large logo which reads "Living Legacy, Fight with Legands" BUT... obviously there is nothing at that web address and nothing to be found via a goodle search... anyone know anything about this?</p><p>[Edited to make the title more clear to people looking to talk]</p>

Saroc_Luclin
05-27-2008, 11:57 PM
No idea what it is. I know on the EQLive site, Zatozia has said they're planning a big advertising push to encourage people to return and such, but I haven't heard any details or anything about it.

Articulas
05-28-2008, 05:39 PM
If they want people to return they need to simplify their UI and gameplay. EQ2, WoW and LOTRO, all spoiled me.

Xanaron
05-28-2008, 11:35 PM
Kind of curious myself.

Zabjade
05-29-2008, 01:41 AM
<span style="color: #00cc00;">Site won't load...</span>

Xanaron
05-29-2008, 04:22 PM
Ya think, try reading the whole post next time.

Vodr
05-29-2008, 05:16 PM
<p>Been watching this thread,  no site as of yet but I did do a whois on the domain and it is registered by SoE on the 14th of March.</p><p>Would be interesting to see what it is,  guessing that the magazine ship date wasn't what they expected and got caught with there pants down <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Zabjade
05-29-2008, 06:15 PM
<cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ya think, try reading the whole post next time.</blockquote><span style="color: #00cc00;">It was too late at night to read ;P</span>

Grimwell
05-29-2008, 06:17 PM
Just hold tight until next week folks. Some subscribers got the magazine earlier than anticipated, so it didn't match up with the anticipated 'go' date. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> No, I won't share details early. Yes, it's pretty cool stuff IMO.

Galithdor
05-30-2008, 03:29 AM
<cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just hold tight until next week folks. Some subscribers got the magazine earlier than anticipated, so it didn't match up with the anticipated 'go' date. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />No, I won't share details early. Yes, it's pretty cool stuff IMO.</blockquote>Grim just called it cool...it must suck...*le sigh*

Burnout
05-30-2008, 08:41 AM
i hope they don't skip european players on this & the events are only available on us servers....

Saroc_Luclin
05-30-2008, 10:10 AM
Well, there's a placeholder site up now. With a June 2nd date. Guess we have to wait till Sunday now. In similar news though, EQ had a patch yesterday, and our CS Rep added this line: "- Summer is coming. Keep watch on the EQPlayers website and the LaunchPad over the next couple of weeks for news about some exciting activities." and she's been hinting for weeks that big events are coming this summer.

irish
05-30-2008, 11:28 AM
Theres a Living Legacy loot pack in Lon collection manager too for a clockwork gnome shapechange not sure how the pack i going to be made available yet.

interstellarmatter
05-30-2008, 12:35 PM
<cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just hold tight until next week folks. Some subscribers got the magazine earlier than anticipated, so it didn't match up with the anticipated 'go' date. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />No, I won't share details early. Yes, it's pretty cool stuff IMO.</blockquote><p>*strangles Grimwell*</p><p>I must know now...can't wait...hate to wait...MUST KNOW!!!</p>

Grimwell
05-30-2008, 02:22 PM
<cite>Galithdor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just hold tight until next week folks. Some subscribers got the magazine earlier than anticipated, so it didn't match up with the anticipated 'go' date. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" width="15" height="15" />No, I won't share details early. Yes, it's pretty cool stuff IMO.</blockquote>Grim just called it cool...it must suck...*le sigh*</blockquote>Hmmm, do I suspend his account for the weekend, or swap the contents of his backpacks with the shiny new L1 Brigand I just rolled up? Or just summon him to a zone with no exit and turn off the ability to recall out. Or summon him 1,000 feet above a city and let him fall... repeatedly.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Kiara-
05-30-2008, 03:14 PM
<cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hmmm, do I suspend his account for the weekend, or swap the contents of his backpacks with the shiny new L1 Brigand I just rolled up? Or just summon him to a zone with no exit and turn off the ability to recall out. Or summon him 1,000 feet above a city and let him fall... repeatedly.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Proof positive that you're nicer than I am...</span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">I vote for all of the above.</span></p>

Wilin
05-30-2008, 03:15 PM
I like the exitless room and disabled Call.

Saroc_Luclin
05-30-2008, 03:28 PM
But the 10k foot fall is so classic. It's an old EQ practice after all.More hints coming in from the EQ side. A returnee posted about their EQ account:<cite>Kaziklu_Bey wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah this is odd, my EQ account has been closed since Dragons of Norrath came out, but if I go to the subscriptions page it shows ALL 14 expansions as "entitlement", plus "Temporal Chrysalis (<b><u>requires Seeds of Destruction</u></b>)" and "EQ Living Legacy Promo Items" as in game items.  Is Sony updating old accounts with all the expansions and free items?  Otherwise why would they list all the expansions (including the ones I already bought) on here as entitlements?</blockquote>(Note: Seeds of Destruction is the 'unofficial-not-yet-announced' name of the next EQLive expansion)to which Zatozia (CSR rep) responded:<span class="postbody"><cite>Zatozia wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>"Tweet Tweet," says the little birdie.  "Everything is as it should be with your account.  Tweet Tweet...  you'll find out more when the time comes... Tweet Tweet."</p></blockquote></span>

interstellarmatter
05-30-2008, 03:48 PM
<cite>Saroc_Luclin wrote:</cite><blockquote>But the 10k foot fall is so classic. It's an old EQ practice after all.More hints coming in from the EQ side. A returnee posted about their EQ account:<cite>Kaziklu_Bey wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah this is odd, my EQ account has been closed since Dragons of Norrath came out, but if I go to the subscriptions page it shows ALL 14 expansions as "entitlement", plus "Temporal Chrysalis (<b><u>requires Seeds of Destruction</u></b>)" and "EQ Living Legacy Promo Items" as in game items.  Is Sony updating old accounts with all the expansions and free items?  Otherwise why would they list all the expansions (including the ones I already bought) on here as entitlements?</blockquote>(Note: Seeds of Destruction is the 'unofficial-not-yet-announced' name of the next EQLive expansion)to which Zatozia (CSR rep) responded:<span class="postbody"><cite>Zatozia wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>"Tweet Tweet," says the little birdie.  "Everything is as it should be with your account.  Tweet Tweet...  you'll find out more when the time comes... Tweet Tweet."</p></blockquote></span></blockquote><p>Yep, mine too.  I had the EQ1 Plat edition.  I just checked my account..not active but you can see the subscriptions.  It shows all the expansions as active including the newest ones that I didn't have.</p>

PakMonyet
05-30-2008, 04:03 PM
ROFLMFAO......Grimwell, you made coffee come out my nose!

therodge
05-30-2008, 04:19 PM
<cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Galithdor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just hold tight until next week folks. Some subscribers got the magazine earlier than anticipated, so it didn't match up with the anticipated 'go' date. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15" />No, I won't share details early. Yes, it's pretty cool stuff IMO.</blockquote>Grim just called it cool...it must suck...*le sigh*</blockquote>Hmmm, do I suspend his account for the weekend, or swap the contents of his backpacks with the shiny new L1 Brigand I just rolled up? Or just summon him to a zone with no exit and turn off the ability to recall out. Or summon him 1,000 feet above a city and let him fall... repeatedly.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>meh you ain't got the guts!!</p>

Paddyo
05-30-2008, 05:43 PM
<p>I'll do ya'll one better....on my active EQ2 account, I show nothing, of course for the EQ portion of the account (which is inactive) I show all the goodies previously noted in this thread.</p><p>On my INACTIVE EQ2 account, I show EQ2 Living Legacy promo items and a Cloak of the Void (requires The Shadow Odyssey). (as well as rise of Kunark entitlement, which wasn't purchased on that account.) I have a 3rd account which I only activated for the free trial period and one additional month off a collectors edition I picked up last december (so it only has the base game enabled.)  It shows nothing but the base game and in game items I would normally be entitled to.</p><p>Verrrrrrry interesting.</p>

Loendar
05-30-2008, 06:02 PM
Also interesting - I have Station Access and have since EQ2 came out and I don't show anything on EQ1 or EQ2.I'm not sure whether I should feel violated or not. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Vodr
05-30-2008, 06:03 PM
<p>Same eq1 love on one of my accounts that had a inactive sub,  no eq1 love for main account with all access.  Appears to be some huge promotion to get desubbed accounts back to current and playing.</p><p>(patiently waits for the sound of noobs running amok)</p>

Wilin
05-30-2008, 06:22 PM
Just confirming, Living Legacy love on my main EQ1 account which was Platinum Edition, inactive and created in March 1999. Also, Living Legacy love on my secondary EQ1 account which I believe only had the base game but it was opened in May 2001. No love on either my primary active EQ2 account or my recently cancelled secondary EQ2 account which is still "PENDING".

Keys54
05-31-2008, 03:08 AM
Hmmm.. Same here with my active EQ2 account, no items added.  On my inactive Everquest I account however, all of those items, and entitlements are there.I might be going out on a limb, but I would assume the active ones don't have those items on their accounts yet so that /claim won't work early.  Just a guess though.

Galithdor
05-31-2008, 05:52 AM
<cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Galithdor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just hold tight until next week folks. Some subscribers got the magazine earlier than anticipated, so it didn't match up with the anticipated 'go' date. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15" />No, I won't share details early. Yes, it's pretty cool stuff IMO.</blockquote>Grim just called it cool...it must suck...*le sigh*</blockquote>Hmmm, do I suspend his account for the weekend, or swap the contents of his backpacks with the shiny new L1 Brigand I just rolled up? Or just summon him to a zone with no exit and turn off the ability to recall out. Or summon him 1,000 feet above a city and let him fall... repeatedly.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Dev abuse! Dev abuse! and my backpacks are lacking so...hmm but then id lose my epic starter <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Pitt Hammerfi
06-01-2008, 09:32 PM
<p>So whats this all about then ? June 2nd has come and gone</p><p>and if you look at the web adress its <a href="http://everquest2.station.sony.com/living_legacy.vm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://everquest2.station.sony.com/...iving_legacy.vm</a>   <----EQ2</p>

Paddyo
06-01-2008, 09:34 PM
<cite>Paddyo wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'll do ya'll one better....on my active EQ2 account, I show nothing, of course for the EQ portion of the account (which is inactive) I show all the goodies previously noted in this thread.</p><p>On my INACTIVE EQ2 account, I show EQ2 Living Legacy promo items and a Cloak of the Void (requires The Shadow Odyssey). (as well as rise of Kunark entitlement, which wasn't purchased on that account.) I have a 3rd account which I only activated for the free trial period and one additional month off a collectors edition I picked up last december (so it only has the base game enabled.)  It shows nothing but the base game and in game items I would normally be entitled to.</p><p>Verrrrrrry interesting.</p></blockquote><p>I always dreamed of the day i would quote myself....</p><p>Update:  Both accounts that had EQ1 components now have those formerly unsubscribed components as pending for 54 days.  The third account mentioned above now has all entitlements including Kunark and the promos for living legacy as well as the TSO cloak.  No pending subs on either inactive EQ2 portion though, at leats not yet.</p>

shadowscale
06-01-2008, 10:01 PM
<cite>Pitt Hammerfist wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>So whats this all about then ? June 2nd has come and gone</p><p>and if you look at the web adress its <a rel="nofollow" href="http://everquest2.station.sony.com/living_legacy.vm" target="_blank">http://everquest2.station.sony.com/...iving_legacy.vm</a>   <----EQ2</p></blockquote>its still June 1st where i am at least.and if this new stuff is to just get people to come back, then do the people who have stayed get nothing out of this?

Keys54
06-02-2008, 12:50 AM
<cite>Paddyo wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Paddyo wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'll do ya'll one better....on my active EQ2 account, I show nothing, of course for the EQ portion of the account (which is inactive) I show all the goodies previously noted in this thread.</p><p>On my INACTIVE EQ2 account, I show EQ2 Living Legacy promo items and a Cloak of the Void (requires The Shadow Odyssey). (as well as rise of Kunark entitlement, which wasn't purchased on that account.) I have a 3rd account which I only activated for the free trial period and one additional month off a collectors edition I picked up last december (so it only has the base game enabled.)  It shows nothing but the base game and in game items I would normally be entitled to.</p><p>Verrrrrrry interesting.</p></blockquote><p>I always dreamed of the day i would quote myself....</p><p>Update:  Both accounts that had EQ1 components now have those formerly unsubscribed components as pending for 54 days.  The third account mentioned above now has all entitlements including Kunark and the promos for living legacy as well as the TSO cloak.  No pending subs on either inactive EQ2 portion though, at leats not yet.</p></blockquote><p>Still don't have any of the items yet on my EQ2 account.  The account is active, though, so hopefully that won't make a difference.  The EQ1 account is now 54 days pending, so roughly a month and a half of free play.  Like I said, though, EQ2 has no added time or any of the claimable items.  Hopefully that will fix itself within the next few hours.</p>

Elstaf
06-02-2008, 01:31 AM
If those of us with up to date accounts do not get to take advantage of any of the items, events or whatever other enticements this campaign has to offer... will I have to cancel my accounts in order to reap any benefits? I have to honestly say, being excluded in any way for being a loyal subscriber would be a bitter pill for me to have to swallow. Guess I'll just have to wait and see...

Meinen
06-02-2008, 02:05 AM
<cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Pitt Hammerfist wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>So whats this all about then ? June 2nd has come and gone</p><p>and if you look at the web adress its <a rel="nofollow" href="http://everquest2.station.sony.com/living_legacy.vm" target="_blank">http://everquest2.station.sony.com/...iving_legacy.vm</a>   <----EQ2</p></blockquote>its still June 1st where i am at least.and if this new stuff is to just get people to come back, then do the people who have stayed get nothing out of this?</blockquote>Pitts in melbourne, so they are like 500 hrs ahead of pst time...so he is like in the middle of june already.

Pitt Hammerfi
06-02-2008, 03:51 AM
<cite>Keys5419 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Still don't have any of the items yet on my EQ2 account.  The account is active, though, so hopefully that won't make a difference.  The EQ1 account is now 54 days pending, so roughly a month and a half of free play.  Like I said, though, EQ2 has no added time or any of the claimable items.  Hopefully that will fix itself within the next few hours.</blockquote>Who said anything about claimed items for eq2 ?

Keys54
06-02-2008, 04:13 AM
<cite>Pitt Hammerfist wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Keys5419 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Still don't have any of the items yet on my EQ2 account.  The account is active, though, so hopefully that won't make a difference.  The EQ1 account is now 54 days pending, so roughly a month and a half of free play.  Like I said, though, EQ2 has no added time or any of the claimable items.  Hopefully that will fix itself within the next few hours.</blockquote>Who said anything about claimed items for eq2 ?</blockquote>Well, my friend's inactive eq2 account has items such as a cloak of void to claim.  My other friend has an active account and the items were there to claim yesterday.  He is waiting to claim them until the event.  Nevertheless, my active account does not have the items listed yet.  There are claimable items for eq1 and eq2.

rebyenliv
06-02-2008, 04:20 AM
Nothing Listed for me or my wifes account as of yet and we're both active.

interstellarmatter
06-02-2008, 11:36 AM
<p>My EQ1 accout has 54 days worth of playtime now which hasn't been active in a year.  So, this must be some sort of bring canceled accounts back into the game.</p>

Clowd
06-02-2008, 12:09 PM
Hey, my Everquest subscription is showing 54 days worth of playtime as well.  This looks interesting.Apparently the "Living Legacy" site launches today.  I'm curious now, very curious.

Jida
06-02-2008, 12:31 PM
Isn't it June 2nd?

Clowd
06-02-2008, 12:56 PM
06/02 - June Second, that's today, that is correct.  Thought the SoE offices are on the west coast, so for those of us on the east coast we'll have to wait until the afternoon for everything.

rell
06-02-2008, 01:05 PM
I too, have been credited with 54 days.

Trilarian-2
06-02-2008, 01:18 PM
Hmmm... so looking at my account I don't see any free time added on.  So that basically means if we are a loyal and paying customer we get nothing, but if we quit prior to June 2nd, we get 2 months free?  Sounds wonderful.

Paddyo
06-02-2008, 01:45 PM
<p>The living legacy promo items for both games are the typical claim potpourri of exp potions and such.  In EQ2, they are named "of the prodigal", get it?  so its a promo pack to get people to come back OR (I am going out on a limb here) starting a trial account.  I remembered a 4th account I had, that was EQ1 only, but I had at some point added the trial to that account, and even though I never once had a paid EQ2 subscription, the account now has playtime through August 1st, the promo items and all adventure packs and expansion enabled.</p><p>The TSO cloak that is listed as enabled on the account doesnt show up in the claim window, though, I'm gonna guess its going to be part of the announced frivolities and such an item as "you have this cool item but its only going to work if you subsribe and buy the expansion when it launches."</p><p>All of that, of course, is mere speculation at this point.</p><p>So, no, if you have a paid account you probably aren't going to get squat, other than the promised Live Events from the magazine ad, and the fact that server population dwindling away has been a huge complaint, and the devs have in fact decided to do something about the lack or game promotion and the population problem all in one fell swoop.</p>

Vodr
06-02-2008, 01:51 PM
Site is up,  Looks like a lot is planned over the next few months.  2 bonus xp weekends a month.  Guild halls slated for august and will be starting the prep in july.  Great planner and I think eq2 really needs to have a planner like this up and current all the time as then we could schedule gameplay hehe.

Grimwell
06-02-2008, 02:24 PM
Woot! Eh? Please be sure to tell any of your old friends who played at one point or another that they are back in and fully up to speed. Then mentor them or something! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Paddyo pretty much nailed the details. It's a very good thing. Expect to see more, but I wanted to sneak in and confirm that it's live now that I can.

TalisX1
06-02-2008, 02:43 PM
I just told a friend they should be able to log back in and play. But it didn't work. They checked their account and it still shows closed. They only quit 2-3 weeks ago, is that the problem?Silat of Nagafen

DragonMaster2385
06-02-2008, 02:44 PM
SOE has always been very hesitant about marketing its products.  But today, I go to mmorpg.com and lo and behold, three banners on every page about this living legacy thing!<a href="http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/2/view/forums/forum/446" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/...orums/forum/446</a>(top, side, and bottom)Gee wilickers Batman, //TF is going on?

kenm
06-02-2008, 02:54 PM
[Removed for Content] at this primarily being a really bad attempt to get people to come back.Here's a tip to SOE - Try actually fixing this crappy game instead of giving people free stuff.   The reason I didn't buy RoK isn't because I couldn't afford it -- it's because I didn't *want* it.  Anything non-raid is incredibly trivial and boring, raid content is minimal and for the most part incredibly dull with a few good encounters here and there.  Class balance is atrocious: Example, why be a berserker when a guardian is equal or better in about 99% of situations?  Client is horribly optimized and runs like crap on raids and in QH, disabling the UI shouldn't double my FPS!  And why does Age of Conan both look and run better for me?  Itemization is complete wreck, and diminishing returns are implimented terribly which certainly doesn't help that.The game wasn't fun for me to warrant logging in anymore.  Why, exactly, would I, or anyone, start playing again because you gave us RoK, a crappy bag, and some exp potions?  I suppose I can't speak for everyone, but that's certainly not a reason for me to start playing again.The crappy thing here is that I actually would *like* to play again.  I have nearly 300 days /played on my main and it really sucks to have that go to waste. *sigh*But, I can't say I'm really surprised at this lame attempt. SOE is, and will always be, completely focused on being a business instead of striving toward making the best game they can.  It's a shame, too.Oh well, at least AoC's fun.

kloakedMBH
06-02-2008, 02:57 PM
<p>4 active accounts and bored with lack of current content and people claiming promo items and time not going to curently active accounts? BRILLIANT! </p><p>ROFL why on earth would i ask someone to come back or even try this game when your idea of taking care of current members is based on IF we bring people into this game. WTG soe, just more proof you dont give a [Removed for Content] about your player base unless your wallet is a little lite. </p><p>Today you implemented free time to canceled accounts, i bet you lose more accounts than ya get back this go around. </p><p>Cya all in AoC.</p>

iceriven2
06-02-2008, 03:02 PM
Its BS that ppl who canceled there accounts get all the goodies and those that have been loyal get jack [Removed for Content].  thanks for letting us all know you care about your current subscribers!!!

azekah
06-02-2008, 03:06 PM
I don't see em, you should take a screen shot

Qupe
06-02-2008, 03:27 PM
<cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>Woot! Eh? Please be sure to tell any of your old friends who played at one point or another that they are back in and fully up to speed. Then mentor them or something! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /> Paddyo pretty much nailed the details. It's a very good thing. Expect to see more, but I wanted to sneak in and confirm that it's live now that I can. </blockquote>"woot" what?  Let me get this straight: Loyal and existing subscribers who chose to CONTINUE playing (and paying for) Everquest 2 get absolutely nothing via this promotion?  I understand the value of the promotion to recruit new players and get old ones to return, but come on.  "Here dudes, you HAVE THE CHANCE to earn some free game time,  but you don't really get anything cool like everyone who quit the game LOLZ"  --------- LIKE A FREE RoK EXPANSION!!!!!!!!!!

Birn
06-02-2008, 03:30 PM
It's Age Of Conan who have shaken up Everquest2 a bit - think SOE is a bit afraid of losing lots of subs to that game it is after all targeted towards a more mature audience (18+) and I belive EQ2 have an older player base than for example WoW.

Freliant
06-02-2008, 03:34 PM
EQ2 might see a lil drop from AoC, but they will get those players back. I played AoC and after you get used to the lil new game shine, you notice its very much sub par. You are held by the hand for all quests, there is very little to be "proud" off in game, and the PvP is lacking since its basically, x class has an advantage over y class, and y class has and advantage over z, while Z kicks x's behind. Wins are pre-determined. Anyways, AoC will have a good initial blossom and will die down to its normal levels a month or 2 down the line, giving EQ2 its playerbase back... as long as they fix up what they did with RoK... please please give us more heroic content levels 71-77.... that really killed this game.

Articulas
06-02-2008, 03:36 PM
their trying to build their numbers. the best way to do that is to attract older customers back in. there isn't a problem with that.

wiire
06-02-2008, 03:50 PM
<p>Ditto to the fact that it just plain sucks that people who have QUIT or people who 'recruit' for this company get rewarded and the people who have been playing the enjoying the game actively with no cancellations.. get snubbed. I understand that they want more players but... I don't know..  I just want to play EQ2 not be a recruiter when you probably pay people to do that, or should with marketing and etc. Obviously if you play this game, your friends know it and you have talked about it with them. If they were going to play the game.. they would have already! I'm not going to shove this game down my friend's throats for special rewards.</p><p> And yes. No one is forcing us to do this, it is not essential to the game. But as a loyal player, I still feel snubbed that someone who has quit or someone who has recruiting skills is going to get rewards a regular loyal player cannot.</p>

Fatkiddown
06-02-2008, 03:55 PM
<cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>Woot! Eh? Please be sure to tell any of your old friends who played at one point or another that they are back in and fully up to speed. Then mentor them or something! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /> Paddyo pretty much nailed the details. It's a very good thing. Expect to see more, but I wanted to sneak in and confirm that it's live now that I can. </blockquote>Sucks because RL friend JUST purchased the download version of Kunark on saturday for $29.99 after coming from wow.   I told him to call CS maybe they will be nice and let him do the freebie thing.    Also trying to get 2 buddies of his that got EoF but only played for like 1months to come back.   

Grimwell
06-02-2008, 04:07 PM
A few friendly tidbits, that you can choose to ignore as PR spin, or just take it that I don't have time to waste on spinning.<ol><li>This has been in preparation for months, and has nothing to do with the launch of Age of Conan. I'm glad Conan is launching so well! We need more great games in this industry, and I'm a huge Conan geek. Love it.</li><li>Yes, this is focused on rewarding people who return to the game. That does not mean those that currently play the game are going to see nothing for them in the next two months. Not in the least. The schedule for the next few months is pretty packed with things that are for the existing players, as returning players are going to still be getting up to speed.</li><li>Why would anyone be angry that we are welcoming back their old friends? Really?? That makes no sense to me. We are offering up a welcome to a HUGE swath of folks, who will soon be on the servers with you, looking for groups, hoping to find a guild, and buying the stuff you sell on the broker. </li></ol>Unless you are going to tell me you don't like crowds, or helping people have a good time in PUG's so they can be shown some of the cool new stuff that you are already experts in, I don't get it. You know that guild mate that you really liked who took off a year or two ago? He/She's back in the game and this is your chance to say "It's so nice to have you around again! Let's get you to Kunark!" How can that be bad?Perhaps I'm just too much of a positive person, but I have been very excited thinking about all the players that can now jump back into EQII and adventure with me!

DragonMaster2385
06-02-2008, 04:08 PM
The referral program is a good marketing strategy for SOE.  The best way to get new players is word of mouth, so why not get a bonus for bringing friends to the game.  I agree though, that they should give SOMETHING to players that are loyal customers.  I'm not really mad about it since even the people that come back to the game will some cool things, after a couple of months, they will still be obsolete to players that have been around for a long time.  I would be upset if they got a full set of fabled gear or something extreme like that.  Good job SOE with your marketing push.  They are really building up this expansion. I agree with the poster that said we should have an events calendar like this all of the time; it gives us something to look forward to and say 'Yay, I can't wait until that is released'.

Grimwell
06-02-2008, 04:08 PM
<cite>Fatkiddown wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Sucks because RL friend JUST purchased the download version of Kunark on saturday for $29.99 after coming from wow.   I told him to call CS maybe they will be nice and let him do the freebie thing.    Also trying to get 2 buddies of his that got EoF but only played for like 1months to come back.   </blockquote>Ouch. Brings up a good point, if any of this does not seem to be going right for a friend (or for you on a second/third account that is now active again) CS is the best place to go. They are prepped and ready to help people with issues related to this promotion, and know the full score. I can't promise anything on this end, but I can tell you that they are ready and waiting for all the questions that something like this creates.

TalisX1
06-02-2008, 04:11 PM
Any answer on what the criteria is for the free play? As I said I have a friend, actually two, who were going to come back. But their accounts still show as inactive. They cancelled just before AoC came out and I thought they might have been inactive for two short a time to get the free come back offer. Is this the case?Silat of Nagafen

Grimwell
06-02-2008, 04:17 PM
I'm not sure what that criteria was (how long you have to be inactive). Have them get to CS and see what happens. I'll corner marketing and see if they had a pre-selected cutoff time for the welcome back invitations.

TalisX1
06-02-2008, 04:23 PM
Thank you for the update Grimwell.Silat of Nagafen

Powers
06-02-2008, 04:33 PM
Grim, it's not that people are angry about old friends coming back to play.  We're just frustrated at the list of cool things that returnees can get (like free access to Kunark, unique pets, a unique cloak) that those of us who've been subscribed since launch day have <i>no way to get</i>.We realize you need to offer incentives to lapsed players, but everyone wants <i>neat stuff</i>, not just those returning players.Powers  &8^]Edited to add: when I say "everyone wants <i>neat stuff</i>", I know there's a lot more neat stuff coming available to all.  But this <i>specific</i> neat stuff is stuff that we all want.  =)

Stanrule1
06-02-2008, 04:37 PM
My previous thread was locked but no answers to my questions =(<div></div><div>So basically, I re-subscribed to Everquest II yesterday after a four month hiatus. Then this morning I got the email about the 2 free months, free expansion, in-game items, and discount on the new expansion. I am not really concerned with the free two months, but since I do not have the Kunark expansion I would really like to get this. Is there anyway for me to take advantage of this offer and get the expansion? I feel like I am being punished for re-subscribing.</div><div></div><div>Is it possible for me to cancel my account, wait the month out and then re-activate it using the offer and get the free expansion?</div><div></div><div>Thanks in advance for any help!</div>

Grimwell
06-02-2008, 04:37 PM
I do understand that, and yeah who does not like new shinies? I sure do! Thing is, marketing really wanted to do something big this year -- and this is bigger than what we have done in a long while. I'm excited to see a program as big as this... and it's high time we marketed these games this big. They are great, and have great communities. Plus, the summer is not over... so perhaps before it's over you'll know more than the Day One news. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Off to lunch for me.

Grimwell
06-02-2008, 04:38 PM
<cite>Stanrule1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>My previous thread was locked but no answers to my questions =(<div></div><div>So basically, I re-subscribed to Everquest II yesterday after a four month hiatus. Then this morning I got the email about the 2 free months, free expansion, in-game items, and discount on the new expansion. I am not really concerned with the free two months, but since I do not have the Kunark expansion I would really like to get this. Is there anyway for me to take advantage of this offer and get the expansion? I feel like I am being punished for re-subscribing.</div><div></div><div>Is it possible for me to cancel my account, wait the month out and then re-activate it using the offer and get the free expansion?</div><div></div><div>Thanks in advance for any help!</div></blockquote>Contact CS. It's not something that I can answer (I'm not CS and don't know what they can do), and they aren't able to scan the forums for CS questions.

Saroc_Luclin
06-02-2008, 04:44 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>The referral program is a good marketing strategy for SOE.  The best way to get new players is word of mouth, so why not get a bonus for bringing friends to the game.  I agree though, that they should give SOMETHING to players that are loyal customers.  I'm not really mad about it since even the people that come back to the game will some cool things, after a couple of months, they will still be obsolete to players that have been around for a long time.  I would be upset if they got a full set of fabled gear or something extreme like that.  Good job SOE with your marketing push.  They are really building up this expansion. I agree with the poster that said we should have an events calendar like this all of the time; it gives us something to look forward to and say 'Yay, I can't wait until that is released'.</blockquote>But current players are getting something; or rather they have been getting something. They get to experience the game through the entire time they've been playing. They get to take part in the events that have occurred that returning players can't participate in. They also get timed event stuff that returning players don't get, at least not unless they are still playing (Frostfell, Erollossi Day, Hallowe'en Events, Brell's Day, expansion launch events, griffon tower building events, spire building, etc....). Existing players get the LoN drops that were dropping while they were playing (like the game or lump it, it's still a perk). And Existing players get Veteran Rewards that Returning players won't get for a while if they stay. (Especially since SOE usually sets it up so that Free time doesn't count towards Vet rewards)SOE is giving returning players a big slice to entice them back; but to say Existing player have gotten nothing is a lie. They aren't getting much currently, but they have been getting a lot through the duration.

TalisX1
06-02-2008, 04:44 PM
<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica;"><i><b>Which accounts are given free time?</b></i> All inactive subscribers in good standing and trail accounts as of April 31st, 2008, can play EverQuest and EverQuest II with the latest content at no charge during this promotion.  This is from the knowledge base. Guess I should have looked before I asked.<a href="http://help.station.sony.com/cgi-bin/soe.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=19232&p_created=1212097639&p_sid=AT6Aci5j&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=18720&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfc m93X2NudD0yOTMwLDI5MzAmcF9wcm9kcz0mcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B 2PSZwX2N2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlcnMuc2VhcmNoX 25sJnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li=&p_topview=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://help.station.sony.com/cgi-bi...amp;p_topview=1</a>Silat of Nagafen</span>

DragonMaster2385
06-02-2008, 04:45 PM
If they gave all of the current subscribers the same free fluff that they are giving the returning players, it really wouldn't be an incentive to return, would it?  I mean, that's like saying if they return, they will get access to Antonica.

Stanrule1
06-02-2008, 04:50 PM
Thanks for your help Grimwell. I shot CS an email. I feel really dumb for having subscribed the day before all this cool stuff happens. I did have fun last night though, it's good to be back in EQII and the changes really are fantastic!

StealthM0
06-02-2008, 04:55 PM
<cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>I do understand that, and yeah who does not like new shinies? I sure do! Thing is, marketing really wanted to do something big this year -- and this is bigger than what we have done in a long while. I'm excited to see a program as big as this... and it's high time we marketed these games this big. They are great, and have great communities. Plus, the summer is not over... so perhaps before it's over you'll know more than the Day One news. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /> Off to lunch for me. </blockquote>Please forward this to the marketing department on behalf of an alienated community. Bad idea. Nuff' said.As someone who recently came back, I take notice to this bribeback program (that is what it is after all). Some try to argue with things like you get vet rewards, they don't. Wrong, if they remember their original login info they get the same vet rewards you do, plus the new bribe items. I sat down and figured it out, you are getting $60. worth of game time and expansion. On top of this, you get up to 20 months of free game time for signing friends up, this offer isn't retroactive so forget all us old heads that got our friends to sign up before this offer. And nowhere does it mention this new 20 month offer applying to existing subscribers, so again the loyal vet gets the shaft. I came back too soon is all I can say. Paid $40. for rok 2 weeks back, 2 months of game cards were $30.......I paid $70.00 for what is now free, less then two weeks ago? That alone deserves a [Removed for Content] soe. But lets look deeper.....Apparently this game is generating such low numbers the marketing dept. has gone into crisis intervention, but with one critical mistake, it did so at the cost of the loyal subscriber/pre-existing subscriber. Not good to draw people back and alienate those that stayed. And I don't care who tries to argue otherwise, the fact is, we the customer have been fed crap and left in the dark yet again....Kind of hard to post about this here because of the oh thats anti-soe msg going out from the threads locked/deleted here. So the rest of what I would say here will be able to be found on eq2flames.com later tonight. Devs/employees feel free to give it a look, it's ALL the truth. SOE doesn't care about paying customers, they want to give it all away to the quitters that left because THEY DONT LIKE THE GAME or POSSIBLY THE COMPANY! Perhaps next offer should offer a dunk tank to take frustrations out on soe employees, hell I may even purchase a 2nd account just to see that.

shadowscale
06-02-2008, 04:57 PM
<cite>Saroc_Luclin wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>The referral program is a good marketing strategy for SOE.  The best way to get new players is word of mouth, so why not get a bonus for bringing friends to the game.  I agree though, that they should give SOMETHING to players that are loyal customers.  I'm not really mad about it since even the people that come back to the game will some cool things, after a couple of months, they will still be obsolete to players that have been around for a long time.  I would be upset if they got a full set of fabled gear or something extreme like that.  Good job SOE with your marketing push.  They are really building up this expansion. I agree with the poster that said we should have an events calendar like this all of the time; it gives us something to look forward to and say 'Yay, I can't wait until that is released'.</blockquote>But current players are getting something; or rather they have been getting something. They get to experience the game through the entire time they've been playing. They get to take part in the events that have occurred that returning players can't participate in. They also get timed event stuff that returning players don't get, at least not unless they are still playing (Frostfell, Erollossi Day, Hallowe'en Events, Brell's Day, expansion launch events, griffon tower building events, spire building, etc....). Existing players get the LoN drops that were dropping while they were playing (like the game or lump it, it's still a perk). And Existing players get Veteran Rewards that Returning players won't get for a while if they stay. (Especially since SOE usually sets it up so that Free time doesn't count towards Vet rewards)SOE is giving returning players a big slice to entice them back; but to say Existing player have gotten nothing is a lie. They aren't getting much currently, but they have been getting a lot through the duration.</blockquote>im just mad they gave the drake pet i have been wanting sence EoF came out to the new people. i want a pet drake. guess i just have to hope the the pet veshaan followers get is a drake when she returns.

StealthM0
06-02-2008, 04:58 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>If they gave all of the current subscribers the same free fluff that they are giving the returning players, it really wouldn't be an incentive to return, would it?  I mean, that's like saying if they return, they will get access to Antonica.</blockquote>Then along the lines of what you are saying why do we not get a special legacy event item since we were LOYAL? Oh thats right, they already got our money. And no, we should get a seperate item, better then anything you can get through legacy bribeback program. Because we've spent the money, whereas they haven't. We paid soe employees salaries, not them. So why should we not voice this serious community splitting issue? And erm, every time u buy a new expansion, you get the same free stuff everyone else gets. Radical change suddenly in soe policy? Are the numbers that low? Do you think this will get loyal customers to return to soe? Newsflash, they didn't leave because they liked the game. And anyone who has played this game since before eof/kos knows this game has been altered radically from what the original devs created, which is in fact the reason quite a bit of the community is gone. Now alienate those that are left, by bribing past customers back?I am not saying anything more here except this....If I went to my boss with an idea of an offer to get previous customers to rejoin us but at the cost of our loyal customers, I'd be fired on the spot for bad business sense. You don't put the paying customer out to pull in the quitter. I mean, not if you want to maintain a successful business model for very long.

Lunah
06-02-2008, 05:01 PM
<p>I have been with this game since launch, at times with two accounts. Recently tried AoC but decided to stay here as my hubby and friends went to a pvp server in AoC and pvp isnt my thing. But after seeing the living legacy thing I am about ready to cancel for good. After all this time I am to be punished and not get the ingame items or game time that people who gave up on eq2 are getting?? And yes before you ask I find it an insult that the loyal customers are being slighted with this. </p><p>I am all for trying to boost subscription numbers, we could use it. But punishing your loyal customers by leaving them out is insane. I rarely post and yes most times when people do the "i am quitting" posts I just roll my eyes, but this is beyond insulting to those of us who have stuck with eq2 as more and more MMO's have come out. Please rectify this by at least giving us loyal customers the same ingame items and an apology for so rudely being left out. </p><p>PS. And yes this is a repost as the mods decided this should be in one spot...though I fail to see how this is a NON gameplay discussion when ingame items are involved. </p>

hisawat
06-02-2008, 05:05 PM
How about this?Give us one or two extra character slot whose account is active in the end of June.  This would rewards  both loyal and inactive players.

DragonMaster2385
06-02-2008, 05:07 PM
<cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Please forward this to the marketing department on behalf of an alienated community. Bad idea. Nuff' said.As someone who recently came back, I take notice to this bribeback program (that is what it is after all). Some try to argue with things like you get vet rewards, they don't. Wrong, if they remember their original login info they get the same vet rewards you do, plus the new bribe items. </blockquote>You are wrong.  The vet reward program counts active account days, not current date - start date.  If they were inactive for 2 years, they are going to have to play another 2 years before they can get the vet rewards that we do.  Not to mention the fact that for every expansion pack that you pay for, you get 3 or 6 months (I can't remember) worth of active days added to your account, so you get your veteran rewards sooner.

hisawat
06-02-2008, 05:13 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Please forward this to the marketing department on behalf of an alienated community. Bad idea. Nuff' said.As someone who recently came back, I take notice to this bribeback program (that is what it is after all). Some try to argue with things like you get vet rewards, they don't. Wrong, if they remember their original login info they get the same vet rewards you do, plus the new bribe items. </blockquote>You are wrong.  The vet reward program counts active account days, not current date - start date.  If they were inactive for 2 years, they are going to have to play another 2 years before they can get the vet rewards that we do.  Not to mention the fact that for every expansion pack that you pay for, you get 3 or 6 months (I can't remember) worth of active days added to your account, so you get your veteran rewards sooner.</blockquote>In my experience, SOE gives us the vet reward, depending on how long ago the account was created, not how long the account has been active.  So <span class="postbody">people who made their accounts at launch and quit playing after a month also have 4 year vet items.  </span>

Cragger
06-02-2008, 05:16 PM
Bad move marketing. As a loyal paying member of EQ2 since its launch (even the months I didn't play) this is yet again another kick in the pants to loyal customers. Its not that your trying to get back customers, its not even that your using in game items to do so. Its that these items will now be completely exclusive to returnees that your customers that have stuck with you all the way will never have obtainable. And those using the veteran rewards argument are fooling themselves. Given enough time they will have access to veteran rewards yet no matter how much time veteran spend they will not have access to these new in game items as things currently are.In game items are a huge reason we play the game, its why LoN is successfull at the gambling den it is. But continual moves like this are down the same path SWG once took. And look where that ended up, so think about that everyone at SOE/SCE or whatever you call yourself these days.

Ildarus
06-02-2008, 05:16 PM
<cite>hisawat wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Please forward this to the marketing department on behalf of an alienated community. Bad idea. Nuff' said.As someone who recently came back, I take notice to this bribeback program (that is what it is after all). Some try to argue with things like you get vet rewards, they don't. Wrong, if they remember their original login info they get the same vet rewards you do, plus the new bribe items. </blockquote>You are wrong.  The vet reward program counts active account days, not current date - start date.  If they were inactive for 2 years, they are going to have to play another 2 years before they can get the vet rewards that we do.  Not to mention the fact that for every expansion pack that you pay for, you get 3 or 6 months (I can't remember) worth of active days added to your account, so you get your veteran rewards sooner.</blockquote>In my experience, SOE gives us the vet reward, depending on how long ago the account was created, not how long the account has been active.  So <span class="postbody">people who made their accounts at launch and quit playing after a month also have 4 year vet items.  </span></blockquote>Yep, Vet Reward is based on account creation date, not how many days the account has been active.

DragonMaster2385
06-02-2008, 05:17 PM
<cite>hisawat wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Please forward this to the marketing department on behalf of an alienated community. Bad idea. Nuff' said.As someone who recently came back, I take notice to this bribeback program (that is what it is after all). Some try to argue with things like you get vet rewards, they don't. Wrong, if they remember their original login info they get the same vet rewards you do, plus the new bribe items. </blockquote>You are wrong.  The vet reward program counts active account days, not current date - start date.  If they were inactive for 2 years, they are going to have to play another 2 years before they can get the vet rewards that we do.  Not to mention the fact that for every expansion pack that you pay for, you get 3 or 6 months (I can't remember) worth of active days added to your account, so you get your veteran rewards sooner.</blockquote>In my experience, SOE gives us the vet reward, depending on how long ago the account was created, not how long the account has been active.  So <span class="postbody">people who made their accounts at launch and quit playing after a month also have 4 year vet items.  </span></blockquote>No, I don't think that is the case.  Grimwell, you have an answer for us?

StealthM0
06-02-2008, 05:22 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Please forward this to the marketing department on behalf of an alienated community. Bad idea. Nuff' said.As someone who recently came back, I take notice to this bribeback program (that is what it is after all). Some try to argue with things like you get vet rewards, they don't. Wrong, if they remember their original login info they get the same vet rewards you do, plus the new bribe items. </blockquote>You are wrong.  The vet reward program counts active account days, not current date - start date.  If they were inactive for 2 years, they are going to have to play another 2 years before they can get the vet rewards that we do.  Not to mention the fact that for every expansion pack that you pay for, you get 3 or 6 months (I can't remember) worth of active days added to your account, so you get your veteran rewards sooner.</blockquote>Apparently you aren't in the know. Here is an eye opener for you and I can attest first hand, vet rewards are there for anyone once the original date has passed the vet date (90, 180, 365, 730, 1095). And here is what I am talking about. I was active from april05-oct05, feb06-jun06, apr08-present... Add the days up yourself, i ama  3yr vet according to the game ( have claimed 3 yr ve reward). So whomever has told you this isn't true is a liar. VEt rewards go from acct start date and have nothing to do with activity. If u have acct a from 2005 and not logged into since may05, and acct b that never stopped playing since 2005....both have 3 year vet rewards because both accounts were started 3 years ago. It does not count just active days, not on mine, or anyone else's I imagine.  Far as exp's go, yeah you get +90 for each one, which the legacy people will get as well. But the fact remains, add up my "active game time". It's not even close to 1095 days, even with the expansion boost. Fact is vet rewards are there for the returning players, as well as the bribeback offer items. I've said enough on this issue and the powers that be will either change/alter this failed pr nightmare, or we will go down this road and eventually find out if soe lost more customers with this bribeback program (loyal customers) or if their strategy actually proved fruitful. Im by no means a pessimist but then again it doesn't take a rocket scientist.And yes, worse case I can always stop playing again, wait for the next bribeback program and be on the opposite end of the spectrum, except.....you will never see this offer after this summer for a pc. Eq3 is already in the pipe, comments have been made eq is being dropped after this expansion sometime....eq3 for playstation3? aye. no more failed architecture guesses that dont happen, causing major compatibility issues cause the code you used wasn't for the architecture that the industry went with. I....need to stop. Look if u want the rest of this go to eq2flames when its back up, Ive tried to be civil here, but there I can voice my opinion without fear of abuse.

FluffyPuff
06-02-2008, 05:23 PM
I think this is a good thing, helps get people into the game.  I know holding my breath with that comment, be a lot of kids on board for the summer of "Free Babysitting" <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  (This would be our 4th summer with the game, we have kids so we know all too well)The only thing that I ask, is please show your currently paying customers some thank you too for remaining with the game.  The family plays the game, we have 6 accounts with SOE and refer friends / family all the time, it would be nice to present this offering to them as well.  Would be silly to have to cancel ones account to extend this offer to them as well.Please pass this on to Marketing so they can extend the offers to current paying customers as well.Thank You-Fluffypuff

DragonMaster2385
06-02-2008, 05:32 PM
wow, I thought that the vet program considered the activity.  Thanks for letting me know.  EQ3 is already being talked about?  I find that very hard to believe, considering the fact that John Smedley (sp) himself said that it was a terrible idea naming the game as a sequel.  They might make another game based on Norrath, but it will not be titled 'Everquest 3'.  And tbh, I don't see MMOs on consoles doing well at all, unless they do what FFXI did with PC players playing with console players.

Mins
06-02-2008, 05:33 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>hisawat wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Please forward this to the marketing department on behalf of an alienated community. Bad idea. Nuff' said.As someone who recently came back, I take notice to this bribeback program (that is what it is after all). Some try to argue with things like you get vet rewards, they don't. Wrong, if they remember their original login info they get the same vet rewards you do, plus the new bribe items. </blockquote>You are wrong.  The vet reward program counts active account days, not current date - start date.  If they were inactive for 2 years, they are going to have to play another 2 years before they can get the vet rewards that we do.  Not to mention the fact that for every expansion pack that you pay for, you get 3 or 6 months (I can't remember) worth of active days added to your account, so you get your veteran rewards sooner.</blockquote>In my experience, SOE gives us the vet reward, depending on how long ago the account was created, not how long the account has been active.  So <span class="postbody">people who made their accounts at launch and quit playing after a month also have 4 year vet items.  </span></blockquote>No, I don't think that is the case.  Grimwell, you have an answer for us?</blockquote>try <a href="http://help.station.sony.com/cgi-bin/soe.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=17405" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a> Veteran <b>Rewards</b> are items you can claim to to your character based on Account Age.

DragonMaster2385
06-02-2008, 05:35 PM
thanks for the link.  Solution: make the vet rewards be based on activity, not creation date.  Problem solved.

Mins
06-02-2008, 05:40 PM
Found this one while i was looking for the vet info... Has a bit more info on the promotion also...[EQ/EQII] Living Legacy Promotion<a href="http://help.station.sony.com/cgi-bin/soe.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=19232" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://help.station.sony.com/cgi-bi...p?p_faqid=19232</a>

Miladi
06-02-2008, 05:41 PM
For those complaining that current users of the game don't get the living legacy items, do you have cable tv? Do you see your cable company offering cheap rates for a period of time to new subscribers only? Same thing here, they already have you as a customer, they don't need to bribe you, they need to bribe people that don't play, or no longer play, with perks for signing up.

Vidden
06-02-2008, 05:41 PM
You know, I kinda have to agree with alot of folks in this thread. I think its great that SOE is finally advertising the games, but I feel that its crap that its loyal PAYING customers dont get the goodies that the NON playing customers are going to get. Thanks for giving us the shaft once again SOE.

Zehl_Ice-Fire
06-02-2008, 05:42 PM
You are only a living legacy if you quit the game it seems. Or something.

interstellarmatter
06-02-2008, 05:44 PM
<p>Good lord, you guys are like little kids.</p><p>Me! Me! I want something.  Holding my breath!  Me! Me!</p>

Screengu
06-02-2008, 05:44 PM
It's hilarious how you lock posts and direct us to post gripes about this promotion in a thread where the first 4 pages are positive about the promotion. Can you sweep this any further under the rug?

Asif
06-02-2008, 05:46 PM
<p>Wow people sorry my wife and i have been here since day 1 that EQ2 went live and have not left for a day and i just dont see the worry about any of this ?</p><p>It will all even out in the end , i have more rewards already than i can use .</p><p>I wont worry about it Eq2 will look after us, this is not a post against anyone either who has posted just my views.</p><p>Have a good day.</p>

DragonMaster2385
06-02-2008, 05:47 PM
<cite>Miladian wrote:</cite><blockquote>For those complaining that current users of the game don't get the living legacy items, do you have cable tv? Do you see your cable company offering cheap rates for a period of time to new subscribers only? Same thing here, they already have you as a customer, they don't need to bribe you, they need to bribe people that don't play, or no longer play, with perks for signing up. </blockquote>Nice comparison.  However, most here will say that they don't care and they get irritated when they see those offers too.  The difference is that there is a community here and there isn't a Time Warner forum to complain on.  I'm afraid that the markets are too different to compare the suggested community response.  It is the same concept though, and from a marketing approach, they did a great job.  I think that they will end up hearing all of the complaints and say "for all of our loyal customers. . . . " and we will get something different.  I'm not mad at all.  At the end of the day, they may be a noob with a drake pet, but they are still a noob.  I have had way too much fun in EQ2 to complain about something so small.

Lasai
06-02-2008, 05:51 PM
<cite>Lunah wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have been with this game since launch, at times with two accounts. Recently tried AoC but decided to stay here as my hubby and friends went to a pvp server in AoC and pvp isnt my thing. But after seeing the living legacy thing I am about ready to cancel for good. After all this time I am to be punished and not get the ingame items or game time that people who gave up on eq2 are getting?? And yes before you ask I find it an insult that the loyal customers are being slighted with this. </p><p>I am all for trying to boost subscription numbers, we could use it. But punishing your loyal customers by leaving them out is insane. I rarely post and yes most times when people do the "i am quitting" posts I just roll my eyes, but this is beyond insulting to those of us who have stuck with eq2 as more and more MMO's have come out. Please rectify this by at least giving us loyal customers the same ingame items and an apology for so rudely being left out. </p><p>PS. And yes this is a repost as the mods decided this should be in one spot...though I fail to see how this is a NON gameplay discussion when ingame items are involved. </p></blockquote>Considering our SWG experiences Lunah, is this really a surprise?  /sigh.    Deja Vu

Rantazon
06-02-2008, 05:51 PM
I quite simply can't see the logic in this new Everquest 2 offering for inactive players. Some are saying it's smart, and worth the loss of some players for new ones. It at least doesn't seem like good business practice. If they didn't stick with the game in the first place, what would make SOE think they will stay with it again. They're risking many of their loyal customers for an impulse customer, or I guess, impulse guest since everything is free for the next 2 months.I think the problem should be rectified. I agree, it's good to open up your market and get old customers back into the game, but if your going to reward them, the reward should be passed on to the loyal ones as well.

Screengu
06-02-2008, 05:55 PM
<cite>Miladian wrote:</cite><blockquote>For those complaining that current users of the game don't get the living legacy items, do you have cable tv? Do you see your cable company offering cheap rates for a period of time to new subscribers only? Same thing here, they already have you as a customer, they don't need to bribe you, they need to bribe people that don't play, or no longer play, with perks for signing up. </blockquote>At least for comcast, existing subscribers can call in to get that promotional rate. I think you are allowed any promotion as long as you haven't used a promotion in the past 3 or 6 months as an existing customer.

DragonMaster2385
06-02-2008, 06:03 PM
<cite>Rantazon wrote:</cite><blockquote>I quite simply can't see the logic in this new Everquest 2 offering for inactive players. Some are saying it's smart, and worth the loss of some players for new ones. It at least doesn't seem like good business practice. <span style="color: #ff3300;">If they didn't stick with the game in the first place, what would make SOE think they will stay with it again</span>. They're risking many of their loyal customers for an impulse customer, or I guess, impulse guest since everything is free for the next 2 months.I think the problem should be rectified. I agree, it's good to open up your market and get old customers back into the game, but if your going to reward them, the reward should be passed on to the loyal ones as well.</blockquote>That made me lol.  You're telling me that the game hasn't changed since launch?  That the game isn't 300x better than it was 3 years ago?I think that they should give something back to the loyal customers to stop all of the whining, but I don't think it should be the exact same things.  Maybe when the TSO goes live, the loyal customers get another character slot or something.

Razlath
06-02-2008, 06:06 PM
<p>As long as there are no house items being given out that we can not get, I don't really mind what they do.  Gear is transitory, even the cape will end up just being a long or short cape with your guild sign on it.  </p><p>Unless of course the cloak is pure craziness and you can solo epics wearing nothing but your cloak.  Then I guess I would have a problem.  ;}</p>

Zykdous
06-02-2008, 06:08 PM
started a thread on this myself, but a moderator redirected me, so I'm going to go ahead and repost here.<span class="postbody">Now I'm not entirely sure on how this all works, so I'm asking here to make sure I have everything correct.Returning players (players with previously inactive accounts) get 2 free months play time, every expansion, and free itemswhilePlayers who have been paying all along get [I cannot control my vocabulary] on by SOE?Edit: I like how the thread they consolidated to is hidden in a section of the forums that it doesn't belong in and would never be thought to be looked for here (aka hidden)</span>

Razlath
06-02-2008, 06:11 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think that they should give something back to the loyal customers to stop all of the whining, but I don't think it should be the exact same things.  Maybe when the TSO goes live, the loyal customers get another character slot or something.</blockquote><p>What about all the people who are on the fence about quitting?  The ones who could use a little extra pizzaz introduced into their gampley experience?  The things listed would help people who are just feeling kind of burnt out as well.  There really is little reason NOT to give it to all accounts that are active, or made active within a time frame.</p><p>Using the same logic of well you got to play the game.  Well they still get items they didn't have on their expired accounts before.  The items are still theirs, it isn't like theirs is the only expired account so it wasn't unique anyway.  After all, do you really want a flag that says I quit this game, but came back because the company bribed me?  Eq2 has enough problems with elitism to mark people as being new / returnees.  Better just to promo everyone, drive the number of people who log in up across the board.  Even if it is a currently paid account that just hasn't logged in for a month or two and was considering cancelling.</p>

Saev
06-02-2008, 06:14 PM
<p>Are the veteran complainers really going to quit over not getting a drake pet and possibly a cloak (I figure that one will go to anyone preordering the next expansion)? Have a look at the rest of the perks and you will see nothing really useful to existing players. Are you complaining about free RoK? Well, that has already dropped in price and probably will do so again, and in any case it is likely to be included in the next expansion.</p><p>How about we cheer SOE's attempts to advertise and build up the player base, and stop acting like little kids?</p><p>Just a suggestion.</p>

krrr
06-02-2008, 06:17 PM
<cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote></blockquote> And anyone who has played this game since before eof/kos knows this game has been altered radically from what the original devs created, <b>which is in fact the reason quite a bit of the community is gone.</b> </blockquote>QFT.  

Razlath
06-02-2008, 06:21 PM
<cite>Saevan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Are the veteran complainers really going to quit over not getting a drake pet and possibly a cloak </p></blockquote>Where do you see a drake pet at?  I have been looking over the website and I don't see it saying you get a drake pet anywhere.

Razlath
06-02-2008, 06:25 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Saevan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Are the veteran complainers really going to quit over not getting a drake pet and possibly a cloak </p></blockquote>Where do you see a drake pet at?  I have been looking over the website and I don't see it saying you get a drake pet anywhere.</blockquote><p>Ok, answered my own question once I finally got the next page to load.  Why are the in game rewards different on two different pages of the website?  Which one is right?</p><p>this <a href="http://livinglegacy.station.sony.com/everquest2-fight-with-legends.vm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">link</a> lists drake pet</p><p>this <a href="http://livinglegacy.station.sony.com/everquest2-welcome-back.vm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">link </a>does not list drake pet</p>

Darkc
06-02-2008, 06:38 PM
More people to play with + what seems like a shift for much more lvl 80 content is reward enough for me.  Bitter or not, this is a great game.  Would just like more of it, as the existing 80 content is stale already. 

rebyenliv
06-02-2008, 06:48 PM
<p>What's funny is I just got my friend to come back a few weeks ago, got to inform him on the phone today if we had waited he wouldn't have had to buy ROK and would have had free play till August. I will be looking forward to hopefully some returning players.</p>

Sucuri
06-02-2008, 06:52 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>hisawat wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Please forward this to the marketing department on behalf of an alienated community. Bad idea. Nuff' said.As someone who recently came back, I take notice to this bribeback program (that is what it is after all). Some try to argue with things like you get vet rewards, they don't. Wrong, if they remember their original login info they get the same vet rewards you do, plus the new bribe items. </blockquote>You are wrong.  The vet reward program counts active account days, not current date - start date.  If they were inactive for 2 years, they are going to have to play another 2 years before they can get the vet rewards that we do.  Not to mention the fact that for every expansion pack that you pay for, you get 3 or 6 months (I can't remember) worth of active days added to your account, so you get your veteran rewards sooner.</blockquote>In my experience, SOE gives us the vet reward, depending on how long ago the account was created, not how long the account has been active.  So <span class="postbody">people who made their accounts at launch and quit playing after a month also have 4 year vet items.  </span></blockquote>No, I don't think that is the case.  Grimwell, you have an answer for us?</blockquote><p>Just tryed out my old old account.  Bought when the game launched.  Never even payed for a month ( it came with a free month ) then quit.  Looking at the /claim items now the account has all the vet rewards and the new promotion rewards. ( Don't flame me, I started over awile back with a new active account, just tested this out on my old one) So yea, people who do the same get everything and the new stuff.  What a deal to those who had to put up with bad content, bugs, glitches, and the such over the years...  SoE might of not had this reaction if they just gave the 2 free months imo, but items that people who have been playing with active accounts get nothing.  I hope Sony isn't suprized with the reaction...</p><p>lol</p>

Nayurayne
06-02-2008, 06:54 PM
<p>While I mostly think this thing this is a good idea I must say that I do feel rather left out. I've wanted a Fae Drake since I first saw them over a year ago. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> It seems unfair to give returning players everything and not reward the people who have actually stayed here and stuck it out. Hopefully they will make the pet and such available to all afterwords like the did with the Burynai for RoK. Heh....seems all us "loyal" players need to do is cancel our accounts 6 months before each expansion and we'll just keep getting everything for free. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Kluless
06-02-2008, 06:57 PM
Wonder if they would give me my banned accounts back to let me play <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />--------DontBanmeagain---------

Stanrule1
06-02-2008, 07:00 PM
Why do they move this topic into the Non-Gameplay Discussion? Most people don't read this forum...

Qupe
06-02-2008, 07:06 PM
<cite>Stanrule1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Most people don't read this forum...</blockquote>I'm thinking thats the point.

Orsham
06-02-2008, 07:15 PM
<cite>Qupe wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Stanrule1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Most people don't read this forum...</blockquote>I'm thinking thats the point.</blockquote>Yeah, that's a bit unnecessary really.<div></div><div>As a returnee, I have to say that better than the two free months for me is fact Sony are trying to get people into the game - one of the gripes I had previously - and it hopefully means a more thriving community.</div><div></div><div>The free two months are nice though <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

Paddyo
06-02-2008, 07:15 PM
<p>1. this thread has been in this forum since before anyone knew what the living legacy promo was.  So all the cries of foul on its placement are unfounded.</p><p>2. I have read post after post after post complaining about needing server mergers because of the population fallout.  I have read post after post of complaints about the fact SOE doesn't advertise EQ2 enough.  Here they are attempting to do something, whether you agree it will work or not, about both problems.  Some people will complain no matter what gets done.</p><p>3. Stealthmode, are you adding in 90 days for each gameplay expansion?  90 X4 is 360 days of playtime credit, which is a year by itself.  if you played 2 years and had all the expansions, you would be eligible for a 3 year reward. I'm not sure on your math personally, just thought that might be why you had the rewards you did.</p><p>4. The bag of the prodigal or what have you is not 16 slots as advertised, it is 12.  Should probably fix either the bag or the promos, Grimwell.</p><p>5. the promo materials also say you get a starter deck and booster pack.  The Everquest 1 promo materials say nothing about the booster pack, and I didn't get a booster pack on my inactive account, just a starter deck.  So again, either give out the boosters or change the promo, or clarify that its only applying to new accounts.</p><p>FINALLY:  I don't know how many of you have read what events and plans they have rolling from now until september, but anyone who complains that loyal subscribers get NOTHING are being foolish.  It sounds like there's alot more in store than just what has been specifically mentioned.</p><p>Anyone who wants to go back through my posts over the years, feel free before you come back and slam me as a fanboi.  I have been a tough critic most of the time. I just think this time, there's alot of [Removed for Content] and moaning about nothing.</p>

Vanisher123
06-02-2008, 07:16 PM
So if I cancel now and then start again in july will i get free stuff for coming back?

Amaran
06-02-2008, 07:39 PM
Now here is me feeling sheepish for not knowing about this and buying RoK and activating a new account yesterday (June 1st).Ah well. :X

Saroc_Luclin
06-02-2008, 07:50 PM
Amaranth: Call Sony CS. You probably won't get refunds on RoK, but they may give you the Living Legacy /claims or something. It wouldn't hurt to try in any case. (in fact Grimwell said as much a few pages back )

Stanrule1
06-02-2008, 08:08 PM
Hi Guys,<div></div><div>Wanted to follow up since SOE replied back to my email. They told me that I have Kunark installed and have been given all the same things that the living legacy promo offered. I am at work so I can't check into this later at night but I know I didn't buy Kunark so I think CS might have flagged my account up.</div><div></div><div>If so then I want to give a special thank you to the CS team for letting me take advantage of the offers that the returning players gave. Anybody who has had to deal with Blizzards CS team can appreciate how fast and friendly SOE's customer support was.</div><div></div><div>So yay, happy ending for me and I cant wait to go home and roll a new toon in Kunark.</div>

Elorah
06-02-2008, 08:13 PM
I dont mind so much the in game items...  However, we are talking about $60.00 here....  2 months free at 14.99 plus RoK free (new price of 29.99) all with a sub of 14.99.....  somehow that does seem kind of icky for us loyal subscribers...  Now if EVERYONE got 2 free months......

StormCinder
06-02-2008, 08:29 PM
<p>And we wonder why SOE is so 'stingy' with the freebies??  They offer a few freebies as a marketing tool, and suddenly everyone 'deserves' something.</p><p>HEY SOE!! Thanks for the free stuff, BUT WE WANT MORE!!  Please suspend your income from our game for 60 days!  KTHNXBAI!!</p><p>SC</p>

Amaran
06-02-2008, 08:54 PM
Thanks for the advice to contact CS.Unfortunately I dont think the CSR I spoke (via webchat) to was prepared to deal with my question, and apparently their billing and account system was down and he suggested I try again later.Honestly I am a bit disappointed but am hoping that calling (he said I could probably have my question answered via call) will sort this out. It isnt the end of the world if I cant get it but I was hoping to as it would cheer me up after some terrible luck trying to start my account.ie> I was playing my trial, and wanted to get RoK and reactivate. So husband and I go to town and spend about 2hrs trying to find the retail box to no avail, so finally we cave and buy digital download from SOE. Then after roughly 2hrs playtime just after I have managed to get my level 12 fae to antonica to see the festival event. My desktop computer fries. Yep, dead and in the shop. So I am using my laptop now and have been trying to download the data for EQII and the expansions since last night and still am not finished.Then I find out I was a few hours early activating my account and could have had a newbie package to get my level 12 butt in gear. Perhaps also worth noting I still had about 10 days left on my free trial as well. <img src="/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />So yeah, I am still hoping someone in CS will cut me some slack. :*( Feeling a little bummed now and going to have to call CS tomorrow as it is 2am here in Europe and I am feeling a bit too down now to try to speak to someone.

Blue_Rider
06-02-2008, 08:54 PM
 <cite>StormCinder wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>And we wonder why SOE is so 'stingy' with the freebies??  They offer a few freebies as a marketing tool, and suddenly everyone 'deserves' something.</p><p>HEY SOE!! Thanks for the free stuff, BUT WE WANT MORE!!  Please suspend your income from our game for 60 days!  KTHNXBAI!!</p><p>SC</p></blockquote>  Well actually yes, it is frustrating that companies always want to give freebies to people who are not their clients and that the dumb loyal client is paying for it.  EQ2 seriously needs help, but I do understand the frustration.  This is a very big major promotion,  and very very very generous.   Crap this isn't a 2 week free trial, its 2 free months that the paying customer must pay for,  sorry but for such a major promotion, they should realize the effect on existing clientèle and give the 2 months to everyone, and give activate ROK on all existing active accounts.  Yep, it will raise the cost of the promotion, but I think in the long term will be a money maker for them.

Powers
06-02-2008, 09:05 PM
<cite>Saroc_Luclin wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>But current players are getting something; or rather they have been getting something. They get to experience the game through the entire time they've been playing. They get to take part in the events that have occurred that returning players can't participate in. They also get timed event stuff that returning players don't get, at least not unless they are still playing (Frostfell, Erollossi Day, Hallowe'en Events, Brell's Day, expansion launch events, griffon tower building events, spire building, etc....). Existing players get the LoN drops that were dropping while they were playing (like the game or lump it, it's still a perk). And Existing players get Veteran Rewards that Returning players won't get for a while if they stay. (Especially since SOE usually sets it up so that Free time doesn't count towards Vet rewards)</blockquote>Normally, I'm one of the first to pipe up on this.  But free access to RoK, even if it's time-limited, is pretty huge.  And I don't think a beer hat (Brell's Day reward) compares very favorably to a fae drake pet.  =)  Maybe I'm wrong.Still, you're right -- but most of the veteran stuff is stuff anyone can get if they keep playing long enough; little of it is taken out of circulation.  I don't know if there's a great solution, and anyone who quits over not getting these rewards was going to quit sooner rather than later anyway, so I suppose this is just a tempest in a teapot.<cite>Elorah wrote:</cite><blockquote>I dont mind so much the in game items...  However, we are talking about $60.00 here....  2 months free at 14.99 plus RoK free (new price of 29.99) all with a sub of 14.99.....  somehow that does seem kind of icky for us loyal subscribers...  Now if EVERYONE got 2 free months......</blockquote>RoK isn't strictly "free" -- it's free for two months, and then they have to buy it like the rest of us.  Or wait for Expansion 5.Powers  &8^]

Myster
06-02-2008, 09:18 PM
<cite>Powers wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>RoK isn't strictly "free" -- it's free for two months, and then they have to buy it like the rest of us.  Or wait for Expansion 5.</blockquote>According to  <a href="http://livinglegacy.station.sony.com/everquest2-welcome-back.vm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here  </a>:Free <i>Rise of Kunark</i> All-In-One Pack – Access the latest content; keep a complimentary digital copy of this compilation version when you convert to a monthly subscriber.So as long as they go from the free trial and start paying, they get all current expansions free of charge.

YulDi
06-02-2008, 10:09 PM
<p> I have played EQ from 99 to 2004 then to EQ2 from 2004 to 2007  leaving to play VG from that time until this march, when I returned to EQ2. I would think it only fair to get the free RoK pack like the reactivations. I have steadily been feeding SoE for 9 years and think if they can give it away to others, it would only be fair to give it to loyal customers as well. Besides that part, in game items etc do not bother me. Having to spend 40 bucks when others do not, does.</p><p><whining off></p>

observer
06-02-2008, 10:43 PM
<p>I'm baaack!</p><p>Good timing SOE!  After the AoC crash n burn fiasco going on, i was considering coming back or going back to LotRO.  Looks like EQ2 it is. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

Wingrider01
06-02-2008, 10:45 PM
<cite>hisawat wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Please forward this to the marketing department on behalf of an alienated community. Bad idea. Nuff' said.As someone who recently came back, I take notice to this bribeback program (that is what it is after all). Some try to argue with things like you get vet rewards, they don't. Wrong, if they remember their original login info they get the same vet rewards you do, plus the new bribe items. </blockquote>You are wrong.  The vet reward program counts active account days, not current date - start date.  If they were inactive for 2 years, they are going to have to play another 2 years before they can get the vet rewards that we do.  Not to mention the fact that for every expansion pack that you pay for, you get 3 or 6 months (I can't remember) worth of active days added to your account, so you get your veteran rewards sooner.</blockquote><p>In my experience, SOE gives us the vet reward, depending on how long ago the account was created, not how long the account has been active.  So <span class="postbody">people who made their accounts at launch and quit playing after a month also have 4 year vet items.  </span></p><p><span class="postbody"> </span></p></blockquote>Vet rewards have always been based on account PAID time, have multiple accounts that have been started at different times, not all of them have the 4 year reward, the most current still have 18 months to go on paid days.

Meinen
06-02-2008, 10:46 PM
<p>I played eq1 for a couple of years and now eq2 from launch, i have even bought booster backs for LoN (not  just one or 2, but at least a couple of boxes), own and paid for every expansion and mini expansion that has ever come out. Just like many people have that play this game. I think giving us something to keep us should be just as important as giving to people to come back. I find this to be poor marketing and it alienates the current customers you have ( except those fanbois that buy the stuff from the eq2 store and have shrines up of their in game diety). I wouldn't recommend anyone to come back because i am not gettin anything for it except a lousy month of game play. They get 2 months and some cool [Removed for Content] to show off.</p><p>Don't get me wrong, not all of this is poor idea, i love the schedule. I won't cancel cause my kid loves to play and honestly, i enjoy it somewhat still. But i feel severly under appreciated and hate how SoE takes advantage of their loyal fan base by thinking its ok to do this to them. </p><p>You can think that the veterans rewards and having been able to play the game (which they could and still can get if they would have continued to play) reward enough, but you are kidding yourself. The first time you see some nifty item some person got for coming back and knowing there is no way in hell you are ever gettin one...see if that doesn't just kick you in the balls.</p><p>Anyway, this whole thing just rubs me the wrong way, not to mention stupid guild halls not being available till september, but at least there is a timeline, just wonder how often the schedule for it is gonna keep getting pushed back. Also wondering, if you aren't working on the guild halls, what the hell are you working on?  cause loot is still itemized poorly and other several bugs? by putting up a schedule, you do realize that you will have to have some accountability for not producing what you actually say you will have done? I hope you haven't dug a hole for yourselves, this one may be to deep for you to climb out of.</p>

Wingrider01
06-02-2008, 10:50 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Saevan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Are the veteran complainers really going to quit over not getting a drake pet and possibly a cloak </p></blockquote>Where do you see a drake pet at?  I have been looking over the website and I don't see it saying you get a drake pet anywhere.</blockquote><p>Ok, answered my own question once I finally got the next page to load.  Why are the in game rewards different on two different pages of the website?  Which one is right?</p><p>this <a rel="nofollow" href="http://livinglegacy.station.sony.com/everquest2-fight-with-legends.vm" target="_blank">link</a> lists drake pet</p><p>this <a rel="nofollow" href="http://livinglegacy.station.sony.com/everquest2-welcome-back.vm" target="_blank">link </a>does not list drake pet</p></blockquote><p>The link that shows the drake pet also has the text:</p><p>Unique Bundle of In-Game Items - <b>Available for all new recruited players</b>. </p><ul><li>Available Upon Log In <ul><li>Outdoor Pet Drake - Receive a Lava Drake for your evil character and a Fae Drake for your good character </li><li>Pouch of the Prodigal - 12 slot bag </li><li>XP Potion Pack - Three-pack  of potions to jump-start your advancement </li></ul></li></ul>

Zarador
06-02-2008, 11:10 PM
Call me selfish if you wish but my family plunked down over $200 for our copies of RoK and get billed monthly.  So basically the cost of being a "Loyal Subscriber" is paying out hundreds of extra dollars when you take the expansion and subscription fees and add them up? Meanwhile the Exchange Servers were on have been messed up since LU45, yet no one offers a penny back for that fiasco.  Sure I love the game, have played since almost Beta Everquest Live but how about throwing some perks around home before you welcome back the strangers.  Us players on the Exchange Servers just got back a "No ETA" on the zoning fix, broker lag or failure to be able to login for some players 1/2 the time. I guess I have mixed feelings as I would love to see old players return and new players join, but two free months and in game perks plus a free expansion?  Hey, why not offer everyone who has played over 12 months the next expansion free?  Oh, that's right, those who have played since Beta are unlikely to pack their toys and leave, so they can go on paying for everything.  Well, I lived through a year of Vanguard, so somehow this don't really shock me much.

hisawat
06-02-2008, 11:12 PM
<cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>hisawat wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Please forward this to the marketing department on behalf of an alienated community. Bad idea. Nuff' said.As someone who recently came back, I take notice to this bribeback program (that is what it is after all). Some try to argue with things like you get vet rewards, they don't. Wrong, if they remember their original login info they get the same vet rewards you do, plus the new bribe items. </blockquote>You are wrong.  The vet reward program counts active account days, not current date - start date.  If they were inactive for 2 years, they are going to have to play another 2 years before they can get the vet rewards that we do.  Not to mention the fact that for every expansion pack that you pay for, you get 3 or 6 months (I can't remember) worth of active days added to your account, so you get your veteran rewards sooner.</blockquote><p>In my experience, SOE gives us the vet reward, depending on how long ago the account was created, not how long the account has been active.  So <span class="postbody">people who made their accounts at launch and quit playing after a month also have 4 year vet items.  </span></p><p><span class="postbody"> </span></p></blockquote>Vet rewards have always been based on account PAID time, have multiple accounts that have been started at different times, not all of them have the 4 year reward, the most current still have 18 months to go on paid days.</blockquote>Well, the game has been out for less than 4 years, so you need some expansions to go over 4 years.  Each expansion adds 90 extra days, so only players who own some expansions have the 4 year reward.  If your account was created at launch and you don't have the 4 year reward, you didn't buy some expansions then.  I don't think all in one pack gives additional account days for included previous expansions separately.

Blue_Rider
06-02-2008, 11:40 PM
<cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite>I<p><span class="postbody"> </span></p><blockquote>Vet rewards have always been based on account PAID time, have multiple accounts that have been started at different times, not all of them have the 4 year reward, the most current still have 18 months to go on paid days.</blockquote>   Nope in EQ2 it is the date you opened the account.  My re-activated account with the Living Legends program, was never subscribed beyond its free month and has the 4 year vet award on it.  But you get 90 days added to your play time per expansion bought, so if you have accounts that don't have all the expansions, they can be lower than 4 years, since it will only be 4 years on November 8th 2008 that the game was released.

Xrool
06-03-2008, 12:17 AM
<cite>Blue_Rider wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite>I<p><span class="postbody"> </span></p><blockquote>Vet rewards have always been based on account PAID time, have multiple accounts that have been started at different times, not all of them have the 4 year reward, the most current still have 18 months to go on paid days.</blockquote>   Nope in EQ2 it is the date you opened the account.  My re-activated account with the Living Legends program, was never subscribed beyond its free month and has the 4 year vet award on it.  But you get 90 days added to your play time per expansion bought, so if you have accounts that don't have all the expansions, they can be lower than 4 years, since it will only be 4 years on November 8th 2008 that the game was released.</blockquote>You are right and Wingrider01 is incorrect.  I have a second account that I only used for the first free month back in November 2004.  When I logged into that old account today it showed that I have <b>1662 days</b>...just like my main account that I have been paying for since day 1.  All the vet rewards are there as are the Living Legacy Promotional rewards.  I don't care one way or the other about the freebies, but I think the record should be set straight...account age depends solely on registration date and not paid time.

-Arctura-
06-03-2008, 12:27 AM
(( I'm just hoping the loyal subscribers who are currently enrolled and dont need to come back don't get short changed! Looks like most of the good stuff goes to Returning or New players =/We will get a fancy new cloak too right? Not just the newbs? o.O*drools for lewt*---<img src="http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g69/Arctura000/Skree-sig2008a.jpg" alt="" border="0" />

Bette
06-03-2008, 12:47 AM
<p>Well this must be an annual thing because the reason my husband and I came back last year was because we got postcards in the mail.</p><p>1.5 months free (i think)</p><p>all expansions and adventure packs except possibly the one just before Kunark (not sure on that)</p><p>and it came a few months before kunark came out</p><p>My personal opinion on the issue is 2 months is a good amount to let folks try out the game and see if they like the changes, or if coming from the trial if they want to continue the game.</p><p>Free Kunark is nothing, I doubt they sell all that many at this stage.  People who don't have Kunark will get it with the next expansion anyway so they are just getting it a little early.</p><p>Same with the presents, sure I'd like to have some new pretties to play with but I understand that they can count on my money but they cant count on the money of a non subscribed player.</p><p>People have been complaining that Sony doesnt advertise the game and thats why the population is falling, this is advertising at its finest.  Everybody likes free stuff, people are more likely to play a free game (gotcha) to check it out than a cost game.  Once they are addicted well ... thats for next year.</p>

Celline-Layonaire
06-03-2008, 01:05 AM
<cite>TalisX1 wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica;"><i><b>Which accounts are given free time?</b></i> All inactive subscribers in good standing and trail accounts as of April 31st, 2008, can play EverQuest and EverQuest II with the latest content at no charge during this promotion.  This is from the knowledge base. Guess I should have looked before I asked.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://help.station.sony.com/cgi-bin/soe.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=19232&p_created=1212097639&p_sid=AT6Aci5j&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=18720&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfc m93X2NudD0yOTMwLDI5MzAmcF9wcm9kcz0mcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B 2PSZwX2N2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlcnMuc2VhcmNoX 25sJnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li=&p_topview=1" target="_blank">http://help.station.sony.com/cgi-bi...li=&p_topview=1</a>Silat of Nagafen</span></blockquote><p>Yeah thx 4 teh info Talis~! Hmmm.. Anyway, if SOE's indeed intending to alienate the「Loyal, Currently active players」then they're crazy nuts. But Oh I highly highly doubt we'll see that kinda thing happen. So, I think faithful customers WILL get something *special* or something that matches(even excels) those rewards for returnee in value. (in the coming months)  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p><p>P.S : I can agree SOE should give 6 free weeks AND all exp, adv packs to loyal subscribers as well (aside from loyal subscriber-specific events). Otherwise, they'll lose more customers than they're gonna get by this 'call-back event'. Still... no offence to SOE though <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

Vidden
06-03-2008, 02:38 AM
<cite>Delight wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Well this must be an annual thing because the reason my husband and I came back last year was because we got postcards in the mail.</p><p>1.5 months free (i think)</p><p>all expansions and adventure packs except possibly the one just before Kunark (not sure on that)</p><p>and it came a few months before kunark came out</p><p>My personal opinion on the issue is 2 months is a good amount to let folks try out the game and see if they like the changes, or if coming from the trial if they want to continue the game.</p><p>Free Kunark is nothing, I doubt they sell all that many at this stage.  People who don't have Kunark will get it with the next expansion anyway so they are just getting it a little early.</p><p>Same with the presents, sure I'd like to have some new pretties to play with but I understand that they can count on my money but they cant count on the money of a non subscribed player.</p><p>People have been complaining that Sony doesnt advertise the game and thats why the population is falling, this is advertising at its finest.  <b><span style="font-size: large;">Everybody</span></b> likes free stuff, people are more likely to play a free game (gotcha) to check it out than a cost game.  Once they are addicted well ... thats for next year.</p></blockquote>I bolded and made the most important word stand out more. Everybody means paying and non-paying customers alike.

Emerix
06-03-2008, 04:40 AM
I really hope SOE reconsiders this. Really wanted a pet fae drake since i saw them the first time. would be really disappointing if they wouldnt give them to current subscribers aswell. Along with the other returners reward.

Brethak
06-03-2008, 05:18 AM
<p>My 2 cents..</p><p>I just bought the RoK pack. started a new account so i can get the free30days. I did this 6days ago... I wanted to put it on this account but didnt wanna shell out more money so I started fresh</p><p>I am still happy they did this because I can get the stuff I wanted on this account now free and cxl other account and subscribe back to this</p><p>out 40bucks but still a win for me I am happy to play my arasai brigand again</p><p>now to figure out how to RP a Sarnak</p>

Eifer
06-03-2008, 05:41 AM
So basically I would have been better cancelling my account to get some free play time?What about those that have paid subs for the last god knows how many years?  Where is my free playtime?Seriously this is the most [Removed for Content] poor disgusting attempt at clawing back customers from other games ever.Way to shaft your loyal player base...And seriously?  [Removed for Content] your fluff cloaks.

Thunderthyze
06-03-2008, 06:14 AM
<p><b><i>Contests & Promotional OffersOpportunity to participate in events to earn EQII merchandise, a free copy of the upcoming EverQuest II expansion pack, a beta invitation and in-game items.</i></b> </p><p>Willing to bet this won't be available to EU servers.....as per usual.</p>

Thunderthyze
06-03-2008, 06:22 AM
<p><a href="http://livinglegacy.station.sony.com/everquest2-calendar.vm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://livinglegacy.station.sony.co...st2-calendar.vm</a></p><p><b><i>Character Progression Contest</i></b></p><p><i>Once you login, the clock has started and the race has begun.  Each new player who progresses to level 20 within 14 calendar days from his or her initial login date will receive an in-game title sent from their alignment</i></p><p>Are you SERIOUS? Most people with opposable thumbs could get a character to 20 in a day without breaking sweat.....and that INCLUDES ordering the pizza for afterwards!</p><p>I assume you (SOE) will be increasing the number of available character slots for the established players so we can take part too?</p><p>Or is this another case of screw the existing players.....we've got them by the gonads anyway.....lets get more WoWers into EQ2?</p>

Thakar
06-03-2008, 06:35 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><b><i>Contests & Promotional OffersOpportunity to participate in events to earn EQII merchandise, a free copy of the upcoming EverQuest II expansion pack, a beta invitation and in-game items.</i></b> </p><p>Willing to bet this won't be available to EU servers.....as per usual.</p></blockquote>Well, that's hardly SOE's fault.  I'm not sure exactly why it is the way it is, but companies have to choose whether they want to have their contests in Europe/Asia/etc or USA... and, in this case, SOE is a US based company and (I think) has a primarily US based audience.EDIT: Look at pretty much all contests...they usually restrict the regions that are eligible.

Saroc_Luclin
06-03-2008, 07:38 AM
By the way, some of the "Returnee" items are available to everyone. You can play through the living Legacy LoN Scenario and get that portion of the returner pack. (NOt sure what the prizes are for EQII, but on EQ it is a Nimbus and a 5 pack of XP Potions)

Tainae
06-03-2008, 07:47 AM
<p>well, Ive been gone from the game since Nov 07. I reactivated my account almost 2 weeks ago.</p><p>My account now currently has the Living Legacy pack, RoK, all 3 adventure packs and my account is flagged for the Cloak for SOO expansion.</p><p>even if you activate early... you still get the goodies <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Eghaon
06-03-2008, 07:53 AM
<p>I canceled my account last week, since I won't be able to play most parts of the summer. It's active till the 10th, I think. My plan was to resub in August or September. Then I saw this living legacy stuf...</p><p>Those who left the game earlier, gets 2 months free play, and if they subscribe: RoK for free, PLUS a discount if they buy the next expansion on digital download?</p><p>Active subscribers gets NOTHING?</p><p>Well, I got 54 days EQ1 subscription, which I have absolutely no interest in, I never bought that game, and I never will. SOE didn't even tell me, I had to read about it at MMORPG.com, and then logged on to my account to check if it was true.</p><p>If I don't re-sub, will I later be offered the next expansion for free, and a couple months of free play? I'll test that theory - this living legacy crap annoys me enough to stay away. There are other MMORPG companies out there who knows what customer service is about, obviously SOE has no clue at all.</p>

Pogopuschel
06-03-2008, 07:54 AM
The thing is, if they make the timespan too short, potential new players will rush through to 20 and ignore the content that's supposed to lure and keep them here...

Leko
06-03-2008, 08:05 AM
<p>This really sucks for the SOE All Access players.  We give SOE 30.00 a month for access to all the SOE games which is a good deal.  </p><p>I spend a majority if my game time in EQ2 but will hop on to SWG, PS, and EQ from time to time but I certainly do not have the time to level characters on all games to the max level or experience each game to its fullest and I choose to not spend my extra cash on other life needs and not to buy the expansion for each SOE game.  I keep my all access account active so I can hop into this other games whenever I like.  SOE has now basically told all the SOE access account to shove it.  They are giving away items in EQ and EQ2 that would have helped a player like me play those games a bit more often which would help achieve the end goal of this promotion, bring more players back to EQ/EQ2 on a regular basis.  Why not give all the in game items to all players?  Or to the all access account?</p><p>This is a really troubling move by SOE and once again shows how the SOE customer service team does not consider the actions of SOE as a whole and how those actions will effect the community.  I know the CS team did not come up with this promotion but they need to be involved with the marketing team throughout the entire planning process.  That way marketing can have a better understanding of our the actions of the marketing team will effect the community as a whole and not just returning payers.  </p><p>I would love to see what metric the marketing team is going to use as a measurement tool for the success or failure of this promotion.  I have serious doubts that their metric will take in to account how this promotion will effect long term players or overall player satisfaction with the SOE gaming experience.</p><p>In today's tight economy it would be wise of SOE to make sure all players where happy with their games and that all players feel they are getting a great value for they money they spend on their game experience.</p>

Armawk
06-03-2008, 08:20 AM
Surely more people playing the game is all the free stuff existing players like us need? Also, someone else getting free stuff doesnt cost me anything.

Matt_NZ
06-03-2008, 08:30 AM
Heh, this thread reminds me of a simillar one that popped up around this time last year for SWG when they did the "Come back and save your house from being demolished" promotion.  If people re-subbed after doing the Vet trial then they'd get an exclusive painting.  That didn't go down too well and eventually resulted in the reward being given to everyone that had an active account at the time.  Overall though the promotion seemed to go down pretty well...nearly all 26 servers crashed from everyone trying to login at once to destroy the abandoned houses lol.

Saroc_Luclin
06-03-2008, 08:36 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>This really sucks for the SOE All Access players.  We give SOE 30.00 a month for access to all the SOE games which is a good deal.  </p><p>I spend a majority if my game time in EQ2 but will hop on to SWG, PS, and EQ from time to time but I certainly do not have the time to level characters on all games to the max level or experience each game to its fullest and I choose to not spend my extra cash on other life needs and not to buy the expansion for each SOE game.  I keep my all access account active so I can hop into this other games whenever I like.  SOE has now basically told all the SOE access account to shove it.  They are giving away items in EQ and EQ2 that would have helped a player like me play those games a bit more often which would help achieve the end goal of this promotion, bring more players back to EQ/EQ2 on a regular basis.  Why not give all the in game items to all players?  Or to the all access account?</p><p>This is a really troubling move by SOE and once again shows how the SOE customer service team does not consider the actions of SOE as a whole and how those actions will effect the community.  I know the CS team did not come up with this promotion but they need to be involved with the marketing team throughout the entire planning process.  That way marketing can have a better understanding of our the actions of the marketing team will effect the community as a whole and not just returning payers.  </p><p>I would love to see what metric the marketing team is going to use as a measurement tool for the success or failure of this promotion.  I have serious doubts that their metric will take in to account how this promotion will effect long term players or overall player satisfaction with the SOE gaming experience.</p><p>In today's tight economy it would be wise of SOE to make sure all players where happy with their games and that all players feel they are getting a great value for they money they spend on their game experience.</p></blockquote>From what I can tell, a lot of the free items are also dropping in game, at least on the EQ side of things. The catch-up armor is also dropping globally in game so you can get them that way.As for the XP potions, those are available to everyone (if you play EQ); you just need to run through the (fairly simple) LoN Scenario.The iffiest thing is the expansion access; I'm not sure how that is working. You may want to contact CS if you want access and don't have them and they MAY be willing to flag your account as a returnee or something.

Asamak
06-03-2008, 08:53 AM
I logged in to an inactive account and got the prodigal pack, potions for tradeskilling and adventuring, 3 makeover mirrors and a teleport item to Timorous Deep, but I did not see a pet drake. Typo in what you receive or programming error?

EnchanterB
06-03-2008, 09:10 AM
<cite>Asamak wrote:</cite><blockquote>I logged in to an inactive account and got the prodigal pack, potions for tradeskilling and adventuring, 3 makeover mirrors and a teleport item to Timorous Deep, but I did not see a pet drake. Typo in what you receive or programming error?</blockquote>The pet drake is for New and/or Recruited players, not returning ones.

Mentalep
06-03-2008, 09:47 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://livinglegacy.station.sony.com/everquest2-calendar.vm" target="_blank">http://livinglegacy.station.sony.co...st2-calendar.vm</a></p><p><b><i>Character Progression Contest</i></b></p><p><i>Once you login, the clock has started and the race has begun.  Each new player who progresses to level 20 within 14 calendar days from his or her initial login date will receive an in-game title sent from their alignment</i></p><p>Are you SERIOUS? Most people with opposable thumbs could get a character to 20 in a day without breaking sweat.....and that INCLUDES ordering the pizza for afterwards!</p><p>I assume you (SOE) will be increasing the number of available character slots for the established players so we can take part too?</p><p>Or is this another case of screw the existing players.....we've got them by the gonads anyway.....lets get more WoWers into EQ2?</p></blockquote>I'm not sure what WoW has to do with this, given that it takes longer to reach level 20 in WoW than it does in EQ2.

Lilj
06-03-2008, 10:19 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://livinglegacy.station.sony.com/everquest2-calendar.vm" target="_blank">http://livinglegacy.station.sony.co...st2-calendar.vm</a></p><p><b><i>Character Progression Contest</i></b></p><p><i>Once you login, the clock has started and the race has begun.  <b>Each new player </b>who progresses to level 20 within 14 calendar days from his or her initial login date will receive an in-game title sent from their alignment</i></p>....</blockquote>I read it so it would only count for a new player aka a new account. It doesn't say Each new character. So current players and old players coming back probably won't be able to participate. Only completely new accounts.But it's just how I read it, I could definitely be very wrong here.

Valdaglerion
06-03-2008, 10:52 AM
<p>Ok, first off I am all for getting people back in the game but these 2 bullet points I find rather upsetting -</p><ul><li><div>Free Game Play TimeAll inactive subscribers (in good standing) and trial EQII accounts can play at no cost until July 31, 2008. </div></li><li><div>Free Rise of Kunark All-In-One PackAccess the latest content; keep a complimentary digital copy of this compliation version of the game when you convert to a monthly subscription plan for EQII. </div></li></ul><p>So, first off if youR account is inactive, IE you are not a paying customer you get to play free for 2 months ($30-$60).</p><p> Then, you get to play Rok for FREE (another $40) and keep it if you decide to subscribe again.</p><p>So, what do PAYING, LOYAL customers get???? NOTHING</p><p>We dont get to play the summer for FREE, how about giving us the upcoming expansion FREE if we keep our accounts active and in good standing, highly unlikely. Thanks SOE...nice to know how you feel about your good customers. Perhaps we should all cancel our acccounts and come back in a week or so eh??</p>

Espyderman
06-03-2008, 10:57 AM
<p>I agree its stupid and we have been slighted.</p>

Nyine
06-03-2008, 10:58 AM
<b>How about the exchange server people get something for free since all the zoning/bug issues we have been getting for Oh..I don't know..monthish or so? Nice./golf clap on</b>

Karlen
06-03-2008, 11:02 AM
I am not upset that SOE is making an effort to increase the number of active players.

Malchore
06-03-2008, 11:03 AM
<cite>[email protected] Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>So, what do PAYING, LOYAL customers get???? <strike>NOTHING</strike>   <span style="color: #9933ff;">Vetran Rewards.</span></p></blockquote><p>I think this also has to do with all the customers who left for Age of Connan, as well as the servers (thou not all servers) who's active playing population is low.</p><p>But whatever.  SOE brought this on themselves when they decided to implement the WoW model: solo solo solo to max level, then raid raid raid for gear.  (rinse/repeat each expansion.)</p>

Zarador
06-03-2008, 11:09 AM
Started thinking about this, the logic behind it an all.  Those who left were once paying customers, like us, that felt slighted.  So now we charge the regular customers while giving away the two free months and the expansion.  That's like $100 a pop to the All Access Subscribers.Is it a balancing act to see how you can make the regular customers feel slighted while you try and placate the return of the previously slighted customers?I have to be honest, I do feel slighted.  Our family has maintained between 5 and 7 accounts since almost Beta of Everquest Live.  We supported the $50 a month Stormhammer servers on Everquest Live from start to end.  We played Vanguard, lived with lost characters and bugs galore, stuck it out for almost a year hoping it would run better.Now I'm not saying we were forced into any of all that, just that we supported SoE and had faith in them.  So now you reward those who left with a huge savings, hoping they return? I guess I just feel that if you never compensated the players who stuck it out through the more difficult times, this all seems a bit extreme.  Heck, even now, the Bazaar Server where we reside has been bugged since LU45 with Login and Broker Issues with no offer of free time, some reward or even a ETA on the fix.Edit: I hardly consider the Veteran Rewards as equal compensation.  I really feel if their going to use that as an excuse, then make the rewards so coveted that everyone wants them and no one wants to loose them.  Maybe something to the effect of 5-10% Vitality Regeneration per veteran year.  Something that really makes you feel like the reward is special instead of the limited perks.  Just my opinion. 

Daysy
06-03-2008, 11:09 AM
They should call it a Levelling contest and not a Progression one, as it's not the same thing. Progression would include investigating the crafting, doing the first quests that lead you to discover different parts of the city, exploring places just to see what's there, etc. Getting to some place and killing loads of mobs to grind to 20 is a completely different kettle of fish.

Dynok
06-03-2008, 11:29 AM
<p>I just heard about all the Legacy stuff today and, like many others, I'm a little miffed.  Reading the advertising for LL makes me wonder what SOE was thinking. They are definitely going to tick off existing players.  When you look at each promotional item separately, none of them seem like a big deal. But when you consider the entire package- it's huge! Free game time, extra items, free expansions- all together it's a lot of stuff. Players that have kept their accounts current are not going to benefit from these things and that just doesn't seem fair. </p><p>Now, an end to the whining and some suggestions. SOE has done a great job with marketing this promotion. Bringing players into the game is a good thing for all of us! However, there has to be a balance to keep both existing players and new players happy. </p><p>Suggestion #1- All players who have active, paid accounts as of April 30 get the month of September free. This means that new customers will be paying for their subscriptions, so SOE will not have a complete income drought.</p><p>#2- A reward item for active accounts that is better than the returning player items.  A better cloak? A new pet? A better Norrath Adventure Pass (magical transportation to new areas of Norrath)?  Something that is ONLY available to those with active accounts- can not be gotten any other way (ie veteran reward).</p><p>#3- Discounts on new expansion- I paid for two copies of ROK last fall. I don't mind because I've been using them <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> However, SOE does need to give a tangible appreciation award to those who have been paying and playing all along! Returners will get $5 off- so maybe actives can get $10 off?</p><p>My mom always told me not to complain unless I had a way to fix it. I'd like to hear what others think- how can SOE make it right?</p><p>Thanks for listening!Mae-</p>

Zarador
06-03-2008, 11:36 AM
<cite>Dynok wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I just heard about all the Legacy stuff today and, like many others, I'm a little miffed.  Reading the advertising for LL makes me wonder what SOE was thinking. They are definitely going to tick off existing players.  When you look at each promotional item separately, none of them seem like a big deal. But when you consider the entire package- it's huge! Free game time, extra items, free expansions- all together it's a lot of stuff. Players that have kept their accounts current are not going to benefit from these things and that just doesn't seem fair. </p><p>Now, an end to the whining and some suggestions. SOE has done a great job with marketing this promotion. Bringing players into the game is a good thing for all of us! However, there has to be a balance to keep both existing players and new players happy. </p><p>Suggestion #1- All players who have active, paid accounts as of April 30 get the month of September free. This means that new customers will be paying for their subscriptions, so SOE will not have a complete income drought.</p><p>#2- A reward item for active accounts that is better than the returning player items.  A better cloak? A new pet? A better Norrath Adventure Pass (magical transportation to new areas of Norrath)?  Something that is ONLY available to those with active accounts- can not be gotten any other way (ie veteran reward).</p><p>#3- Discounts on new expansion- I paid for two copies of ROK last fall. I don't mind because I've been using them <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /> However, SOE does need to give a tangible appreciation award to those who have been paying and playing all along! Returners will get $5 off- so maybe actives can get $10 off?</p><p>My mom always told me not to complain unless I had a way to fix it. I'd like to hear what others think- how can SOE make it right?</p><p>Thanks for listening!Mae-</p></blockquote>I think what got me most on this deal is that they continue to save, even after they return.  Yeah, it's only $5.00, but they get $5.00 off the next expansion, plus a free upgrade to all current expansions plus two free months.  So basically, us people that remain with the game and have remained with the game get to pay for the summer AND still pay $5.00 more than they do on the next expansion?Honestly, what gives with that deal?  You don't get the free months or a free expansion for being loyal AND you get to pay $5.00 more for the next expansion.  Sorry, but I, like you, really do feel slighted.

Saev
06-03-2008, 11:43 AM
<cite>[email protected] Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ok, first off I am all for getting people back in the game but these 2 bullet points I find rather upsetting -</p><ul><li><div>Free Game Play TimeAll inactive subscribers (in good standing) and trial EQII accounts can play at no cost until July 31, 2008. </div></li><li><div>Free Rise of Kunark All-In-One PackAccess the latest content; keep a complimentary digital copy of this compliation version of the game when you convert to a monthly subscription plan for EQII. </div></li></ul><p>So, first off if youR account is inactive, IE you are not a paying customer you get to play free for 2 months ($30-$60).</p><p> Then, you get to play Rok for FREE (another $40) and keep it if you decide to subscribe again.</p><p>So, what do PAYING, LOYAL customers get???? NOTHING</p><p>We dont get to play the summer for FREE, how about giving us the upcoming expansion FREE if we keep our accounts active and in good standing, highly unlikely. Thanks SOE...nice to know how you feel about your good customers. Perhaps we should all cancel our acccounts and come back in a week or so eh??</p></blockquote><p>None of this is new, nor unique to SOE. Phone companies, cable companies, everyone wanting you to get their specific credit card, give discounts and free time to new clients. If they all gave the free stuff to existing clients as well, they would be out of business.</p><p>As for RoK, it's already been discounted and by the time the new players subscribe and get it free, it will probably be even less. A couple of months later the new expansion will come out and they will be buying it again just like the rest of us (I'm assuming future expansions will be all inclusive) and then they can join the crowd of 'loyal customers' in the complaints line.</p><p>I've played EQ and EQ2 since 1999, with some breaks, and I've enjoyed it. Surely that's worth something?</p><p>Play or don't play, but stop all the whining about how insulted you are. </p>

Zarador
06-03-2008, 11:51 AM
<cite>Saevan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ok, first off I am all for getting people back in the game but these 2 bullet points I find rather upsetting -</p><ul><li><div>Free Game Play TimeAll inactive subscribers (in good standing) and trial EQII accounts can play at no cost until July 31, 2008. </div></li><li><div>Free Rise of Kunark All-In-One PackAccess the latest content; keep a complimentary digital copy of this compliation version of the game when you convert to a monthly subscription plan for EQII. </div></li></ul><p>So, first off if youR account is inactive, IE you are not a paying customer you get to play free for 2 months ($30-$60).</p><p> Then, you get to play Rok for FREE (another $40) and keep it if you decide to subscribe again.</p><p>So, what do PAYING, LOYAL customers get???? NOTHING</p><p>We dont get to play the summer for FREE, how about giving us the upcoming expansion FREE if we keep our accounts active and in good standing, highly unlikely. Thanks SOE...nice to know how you feel about your good customers. Perhaps we should all cancel our acccounts and come back in a week or so eh??</p></blockquote><p>None of this is new, nor unique to SOE. Phone companies, cable companies, everyone wanting you to get their specific credit card, give discounts and free time to new clients. If they all gave the free stuff to existing clients as well, they would be out of business.</p><p>As for RoK, it's already been discounted and by the time the new players subscribe and get it free, it will probably be even less. A couple of months later the new expansion will come out and they will be buying it again just like the rest of us (I'm assuming future expansions will be all inclusive) and then they can join the crowd of 'loyal customers' in the complaints line.</p><p>I've played EQ and EQ2 since 1999, with some breaks, and I've enjoyed it. Surely that's worth something?</p><p>Play or don't play, but stop all the whining about how insulted you are. </p></blockquote>Because they will also save $5.00 on the new expansion that you wont save $5.00 on.  That's like giving the customer two months of unlimited calling, the newest phone for free, a charger, blue tooth devices and a discount on the new phone coming out in a few months that the regular customers are putting in orders for at full price.It's not the $5.00, it's saying that clearly you would leave if you, now as a regular customer that got all the freebies, had to pay the same as the existing customers for the new content. Edit: I would also add, with the type of companies you mentioned, you re-up annually in most cases.  At Re-up you get to cut deals and get promotional perks simply by telling them you will go to the competition and take their deal if they can't match or beat it.  So you get the perks, with no interruption of services.  Here, even to get the recruitment perks, you would have to quit to get the free time, even then, I'm not sure how that would work.  It clearly states that it comes at the "End" of the subscription.

interstellarmatter
06-03-2008, 11:53 AM
<cite>Dynok wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Suggestion #1- All players who have active, paid accounts as of April 30 get the month of September free. This means that new customers will be paying for their subscriptions, so SOE will not have a complete income drought.</p><p>#2- A reward item for active accounts that is better than the returning player items.  A better cloak? A new pet? A better Norrath Adventure Pass (magical transportation to new areas of Norrath)?  Something that is ONLY available to those with active accounts- can not be gotten any other way (ie veteran reward).</p><p>#3- Discounts on new expansion- I paid for two copies of ROK last fall. I don't mind because I've been using them <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /> However, SOE does need to give a tangible appreciation award to those who have been paying and playing all along! Returners will get $5 off- so maybe actives can get $10 off?</p></blockquote><p>1) It may not be an income draught but pretty close to it.  Giving players free time who wouldn't even be playing the game in the first place is one thing.  To take away income for an entire month from 90% of the players currently paying is not a viable option.  That's a huge hit to the bottom line..probably see a cold day in...well you know what I mean.</p><p>2) You do get rewards for being in the game.  Vet rewards are very nice.  Now that they are offering something to returning players..you want what??  Maybe you don't understand..you already get something.</p><p>3)  Nice idea but another thing that I don't see happening.  The current trend is the price of expansion going up not down.  Due to the increasing cost of developing new expansions..the whole inflation thing.</p><p>A more viable option to me maybe is giving us another character slot for the summer.  That would give vets a chance to start something new.   Many of us have been playing for over 3 years and would rather quit than delete one of our current characters.  That might be a nice summer gift.</p>

Zarador
06-03-2008, 12:01 PM
<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dynok wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Suggestion #1- All players who have active, paid accounts as of April 30 get the month of September free. This means that new customers will be paying for their subscriptions, so SOE will not have a complete income drought.</p><p>#2- A reward item for active accounts that is better than the returning player items.  A better cloak? A new pet? A better Norrath Adventure Pass (magical transportation to new areas of Norrath)?  Something that is ONLY available to those with active accounts- can not be gotten any other way (ie veteran reward).</p><p>#3- Discounts on new expansion- I paid for two copies of ROK last fall. I don't mind because I've been using them <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" width="15" height="15" /> However, SOE does need to give a tangible appreciation award to those who have been paying and playing all along! Returners will get $5 off- so maybe actives can get $10 off?</p></blockquote><p>1) It may not be an income draught but pretty close to it.  Giving players free time who wouldn't even be playing the game in the first place is one thing.  To take away income for an entire month from 90% of the players currently paying is not a viable option.  That's a huge hit to the bottom line..probably see a cold day in...well you know what I mean.</p><p>2) You do get rewards for being in the game.  Vet rewards are very nice.  Now that they are offering something to returning players..you want what??  Maybe you don't understand..you already get something.</p><p>3)  Nice idea but another thing that I don't see happening.  The current trend is the price of expansion going up not down.  Due to the increasing cost of developing new expansions..the whole inflation thing.</p><p><i><b>A more viable option to me maybe is giving us another character slot for the summer.  That would give vets a chance to start something new.   Many of us have been playing for over 3 years and would rather quit than delete one of our current characters.  That might be a nice summer gift.</b></i></p></blockquote>Right On!!!Since were playing an online game, thus in-game rewards have great value, it does not have to cost them anything but development time to reward the loyal player.  Judging by the thousands spent on LoN, just to get a reward to be used in the game, people put a value on a unique reward.Have some MAJOR rewards placed in the game that make people say "Oh my gosh, how do I get that" tied to loyalty.  Since they can connect your years of loyalty to your billed account, extend those rewards to include that time.  maybe 8 years of playing their games gives you some unique mount or weapon or something that distinguishes you.  Sorry, but very few people read or concern themselves with titles.  Now, have some glowing stick, that gets noticed.

Nolrog
06-03-2008, 12:26 PM
<p>This is the whinniest bunch of infants I've seen in a while.  I almost thought I was on the WoW forums.</p>

Kaash
06-03-2008, 12:35 PM
I have to admit, I'm in the "disappointed" crowd.In between my wife and I we have 3 accounts I activated 2 weeks ago ; held off buying RoK until I was sure we were going to stay.So my being bold enough to spend $45 to try it again without incentive nets me -$90.So I am somewhat miffed I will admit.  Its not much to ask that ALL accounts active during this promotion get access to all expansions.

Razlath
06-03-2008, 12:38 PM
<cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The link that shows the drake pet also has the text:</p><p>Unique Bundle of In-Game Items - <b>Available for all new recruited players</b>. </p><ul><li>Available Upon Log In <ul><li>Outdoor Pet Drake - Receive a Lava Drake for your evil character and a Fae Drake for your good character </li><li>Pouch of the Prodigal - 12 slot bag </li><li>XP Potion Pack - Three-pack  of potions to jump-start your advancement </li></ul></li></ul></blockquote><p>This I do have a problem with.  Like I said before, I could care less about gear, it is transitory.  I could care less about them getting RoK for free, or some free billing time.  As a station access member I am used to getting screwed over in the billing department due to not getting any options other than month to month.</p><p>Permanent character alterations should be available to everyone.  Free time is great for new players, I have never gotten it on any game SoE has released due to Station Access and could honestly care less.  Free expansion bundle to bring new / returning players up to speed is fine as well.  We wouldn't want them to be unable to make it to TD and then have even more trouble, or be unable to make some of the races.  Let them see the whole game.  I have no problem with those rewards, but the pet (and maybe cloak, though I could care less about that thanks to guild heraldry) should be made available to all active subs within a time period, returning, new, or loyal.</p><p>As to the constantly spouted foolishness that loyal customers get vet rewards, please read the thread.  Returning players get all the vet rewards from the time they CREATED the account.  So no, we actually don't get anything more than they did for sticking it out.  You signed up at release and quit?  Congrats, get the max vet rewards, as well as all the new stuff.</p><p>It hurts nothing to give the in-game rewards to all players as a customer appreciation promotion.  No, they can't give us RoK (we already have it for the most part), they can't give us free months (way too big of a pocket book hit), but they can certainly give us the flag on our character to let us claim the same in game items as others.  Namely any item which is a permanent mod to your character.</p><p>If SOE absolutely will not do this to make this right, then here is another suggestion.  Remove all claim amounts from our claims if the account was active *before* this promo went live.  Let us re-claim our baby dragons, our paintings, etc.  It is a half-hearted resolution, but at least it is something!</p>

Kizee
06-03-2008, 12:41 PM
It is nice they are trying to get customers back but screwing over the paying customers is a pretty bad choice.All the people that are saying that the paying customers get vet rewards.....guess what....the people that come back will get those to over time while the loyal people get screwed over with no way to get legacy rewards.

liveja
06-03-2008, 12:47 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Remove all claim amounts from our claims if the account was active *before* this promo went live.  Let us re-claim our baby dragons, our paintings, etc.  It is a half-hearted resolution, but at least it is something!</blockquote>I like that idea, & I don't see where it would hurt. I claimed all that stuff with my main but would love to see one of my alts get them, too.

branvil
06-03-2008, 12:52 PM
<p>I don't see this as whine fest at all, this is typical SOE crap..  You reward a bunch of people that quit your game because it sucked and call them legends for gods sake!! are you kidding me...   </p><p> While people like me have been paying every single month since Nov 04 and I get a fricken XP potion and a stupid house pet!?!?   How about giving me the $50 bucks I spent on RoK back instead of giving it away for free to the people who have not been paying your salaries for four years!!  </p>

StormCinder
06-03-2008, 01:00 PM
they are doing nothing different than any other company does ( phone,cable, etc). My only beef is with get rewards for people who aren't vets.

Andok
06-03-2008, 01:01 PM
Veterans don’t get new player incentives, and new players don’t get veterans rewards.  Sounds fine to me.Who cares either way as long as it brings new players to the game.

Kodiak72
06-03-2008, 01:02 PM
getting back old players and gaining new ones through this promotion should help get more people... on the other hand my credit card was charged on the 30th of May for its next month of subscruption.. so if i canceled it on that day and waited 3-4 days.. id get 2 months of play time for free (or is that 2 months free only for new accounts?).... lame.. and yea it does sorta hurt where people who LEFT the game get the goods.. but us people STILL PAYING dont get squat. cept a free month for every person. This promo has its ups and downs.. lets see how it goes and what SoE decides to give the current paying subscribers

jagermonsta
06-03-2008, 01:05 PM
I'm a Shadowknight. I deserve lots of free stuff for what I have to put up with! Come on.... free stuff!!! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Elquinjena
06-03-2008, 01:11 PM
<p>I have a few friends still playing EQ 1 and would love to use this time to send them invites to come play EQ2 but have yet to find out just how to do it.</p><p> yes I want the credit for recruiting them to EQ2</p><p>has anyone seen anything yet on this ??</p>

branvil
06-03-2008, 01:21 PM
<p>I'm all for getting new players as well as old players to return, hell BB is a ghost town and I'd love to see some more people running around..    I also don't have a problem with giving away free play time, which is the norm when trying to regain MMO players. </p><p>What I do have a problem with is giving away a relatively new expansion for free that I paid 50 bucks for a few months ago to some people who obviously held zero loyalty to your company in the first place while you give out the normal crap veterans rewards to the long time population.</p><p>As for the phone companies and the comparison to buying a phone..  You only get a free or dicounted phone when you sign up for a 1-2 year contract.  We all know that's where they make their money.  It's not like these people can't just get the free ROK expansion, sign back up and play it till they tire of it and leave again.  </p>

kenm
06-03-2008, 01:23 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>So, what do PAYING, LOYAL customers get???? <strike>NOTHING</strike>   <span style="color: #9933ff;">Vetran Rewards.</span></p></blockquote><p>I think this also has to do with all the customers who left for Age of Connan, as well as the servers (thou not all servers) who's active playing population is low.</p><p>But whatever.  SOE brought this on themselves when they decided to implement the WoW model: solo solo solo to max level, then raid raid raid for gear.  (rinse/repeat each expansion.)</p></blockquote>Actually, Veteran Rewards don't really count as a perk loyal subscribers get -- I quit last year and have access to the four year vet reward.The truth is, SOE doesn't even remotely care about loyal subscribers.  They believe that if you've been playing for over three years there's not a chance in hell you're going to quit, so you're not even a factor in their scheme to maximize their profit.  Ergo, the only way to increase their profits is to get new <strike>idiots</strike> subscribers.It's similar to what they did with EQOA -- They didn't want to pay for active GMs and developers, and with advertisements like <a rel="nofollow" href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=F-CHG_To7Ag" target="_blank">THIS</a> they certainly weren't getting any new subscriptions.  So then, what's the laziest and easiest way to raise your profit?  Raising the subscription fee, the idiots will keep paying for that anyway!It's just really sad they don't realize that if they actually cared about the game and attempted to make it the best MMORPG on the market the population would freaking skyrocket.  Optimize the client, fix the lag, fix up the crappy itemization, fix the horrid class balance, and constantly add a trickle of tested and well-polished content for every playstyle every few weeks.  Hire 10x the developers if you have to, when your population quadruples itself overnight the cost would just be a drop in the bucket.  Oh, but that would require EFFORT...  You can't do that, gotcha.

Talz
06-03-2008, 02:03 PM
Really?  I mean... really?  Do they really have to be badgered over this?  You aren't paying for other people to play.  I have fair criticisms of EQ2's marketing but I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and not think that a campaign was created whereas the target can't supplement the cost.I can't say that I'm surprised that the bizarre item obsessed camp has a problem with this.  I have said time and time again that those in that camp hurt this game more than they may realize.  I know a few that quit over the constant whining about the dumbest things.  I know more than a few that won't even use the forums.  I'm sure a lot of us know a few and that adds up very quickly.

Braceface
06-03-2008, 02:04 PM
Just wanted to say thank you for trying to bring back players to Ever Quest II, but after being loyal to EQII for a while, I as well as a lot of the people I've grouped with for a while are all miffed, that you can reward those who come back, without any kind of reward for those who have been loyal... A festival? okay looking at the schedule if your a night student, or work at night you SOL... Right now a few extra bucks in our pockets is what we need... its great we only have to pay $15 a month for entertainment, me and my girl friend both play, its a fun time, but it feels as if those who are loyal members arn't getting much appreciation... its great for those who are coming back, but not so great for us who havn't left to try AoC, now we were on the edge, and said no... but now AoC doesn't seem to be something we shouldn't try.

Amaran
06-03-2008, 02:13 PM
I have to say that it has been really nice seeing tons of new and returning people on AB today. So it does seem to be working as intended.I do understand that paying customers are upset, and I do think they should get something too (however it does sound like something is coming?). But overall I think this has been a bit of a shot in the arm for the population base, I hope that it helps.

DerykRenaln
06-03-2008, 02:31 PM
<p>I too feel a tiny "tad bit" slighted by this promotion. I've been with the game since launch, and have the titles / rewards for being a vet. But to get people to return is a nice gesture and I'm in favor of this promotion. However SOE, you also need to keep in mind that you need to keep your EXISTING customers happy as well! Give them items that are not available to returning customers as a "special" loyalty reward. How about a $5 discount for one month on a Station Access account or even a regular account? How about a special in-game house item that is REALLY very unique and cool! Not just some trinket, but perhaps a VERY nice painting. No more pets please! lol AND definitely loyal customers should be given the cloak for the next expansion FREE of charge. /claim on Day 1 that it's released and you get the cloak. No pre-order required! I would hope they're /claim items as well. No quests, no requirements to be in an in-game event. All should be fairly rewarded! Just a few ideas here.</p><p><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p><p>I AM playing AoC and REALLY I am enjoying the game despite the bugs and optimizations that yet need to be done. It's a very intuitive game that is easy to play and ideally suited for the hardcore AND casual gamer! FunCom has done a great job in this regard to balanced play for the two styles of gamer.</p><p>I'm at a crossroads here whether I REMAIN a SOE customer. I'm contemplating leaving SOE and I've been with SOE since RoK came out for EQ1. That's a VERY long time indeed! I'm a Station Access member since that was made available as well. I also have a 2nd account for EQ2 that I used to play...but no longer. I was disappointed to find out that 5 of my toons are not available for play due to it's a regular account activation. So I won't use it. My lowest level - least-played toons are the ones available to play. *sigh*</p><p>I really like EQ2...it has been my favorite MMO for MANY years and has survived WoW, Vanguard, etc... and I DO want to believe and stay with it..however... all I'm trying to say here SOE is "don't cut off your nose to spite your face." Keep your loyal customers happy AND loyal by thanking them in a special way.</p>

Mentalep
06-03-2008, 02:33 PM
I'm a returning player who just renewed on May 2nd - two days after the April 31st cutoff.  Had I waited just one more short month to renew, I could have taken advantage of this awesome promotional deal.  Judging from the thirteen pages of posts in this thread, I should be pretty upset about that, right?Er... no.  No, I'm not upset.  I'm excited.  This is a HUGE and unprecedented promotion for EQ2 in a year that is going to give The Shadow Odyssey some stiff competition at retail - Age of Conan is already out, and Warhammer Online and Wrath of the Lich King will (probably) be out by the end of the year.  Returning playersare getting  a remarkable way to come back and see what's changed, and there will be some sort of recruitment campaign for new players starting July 1st that can potentially get any of us some free play time (especially if those new players get such generous perks as the returning players are, making it even easier to convince our friends and coworkers to try the game - and thus earn that free time).I can understand a bit of envy over this promotion.  It's a really NICE promotion.  But come on now... the anger on display here is like complaining that all the expansions and adventure packs are now compiled together in one $30 box, instead of being sold separately at full price.  Any old noob off the street can waltz right in and access all the same content the veterans get for a fraction of the pri ce they've paid.  Doesn't that make you furious? This promotion is a big deal.  Why can't we get behind it instead of complaining about what we aren't getting?

LordPazuzu
06-03-2008, 02:40 PM
<cite>Kizee wrote:</cite><blockquote>It is nice they are trying to get customers back but screwing over the paying customers is a pretty bad choice.All the people that are saying that the paying customers get vet rewards.....guess what....the people that come back will get those to over time while the loyal people get screwed over with no way to get legacy rewards.</blockquote><p>I fail to see how we're screwed over.  That would imply that they are taking something from us or nerfing us in some way.  They aren't.  They aren't doing anything to us except luring in more players for our community and a higher profit margin for SOE, which also benefits us since they can then justify spending more on game developement for EQ2.</p><p>So new and returning players are getting some comp time, free software, and some useless fluff items that have no gameplay impact on the rest of us whatsoever.  Big whoopty-freekin-doo.  It still doesn't negatively impact the rest of us in the slightest.  We aren't being screwed, we're just not getting our [Removed for Content] kissed.  Big difference.  Sounds to me like everyone just wants SOE to bow down and kiss their [Removed for Content] a bit out of petty jealousy.</p><p>So let's be honest with ourselves.  Instead of getting self righteous about it and lamenting about how SOE is screwing us and insulting us, let's just say, "I'd like SOE to kiss my [I cannot control my vocabulary] a little bit too."</p>

Meinen
06-03-2008, 02:46 PM
<cite>Talzar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Really?  I mean... really?  Do they really have to be badgered over this?  You aren't paying for other people to play.  I have fair criticisms of EQ2's marketing but I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and not think that a campaign was created whereas the target can't supplement the cost.I can't say that I'm surprised that the bizarre item obsessed camp has a problem with this.  I have said time and time again that those in that camp hurt this game more than they may realize.  I know a few that quit over the constant whining about the dumbest things.  I know more than a few that won't even use the forums.  I'm sure a lot of us know a few and that adds up very quickly.</blockquote><p>how does it hurt their bottom line to give everyone thats been loyal for all these yrs in game items that cost nothing to hand out, especially since they have already done the coding for them so the returning players can have them? </p><p>its not even so much the items themselves, its the lack of appreciation that SOE shows to its loyal player base. I can understand if they can't give everyone free play time, that would hurt the bottom line. But, since they can't, won't or just to lazy to even consider fixing ingame issues such as lag, itemization and a myriad of other issues, they should be willing to kick down something on par or better than what the returning players are getting. Its nice to be recognized for staying loyal. Some companies like Comcast, Verizon and others have done certain promotions that reward their current customers as well and try to generate business. </p><p>Now the funny part, some people that are trying to return to the game are having problems logging in even tho they have free play time, how disheartening and pathetic is that? here they are trying to get people to come back (when a lot left because of ingame issues that haven't been fixed) and they can't even make it easy for them to do so?</p><p>I know i may sound like i don't like this game, but the truth is, its enjoyable. This has been my home away from home for a long time and having tried out AoC, its still a good game, just not as great as it should be. As someone else mentioned, if they fixed the issue with lag and some other minor things, people would come back. They wouldn't even need to give away free stuff. But its like a parent thats never been there for their kid so they are trying to buy back their love, everyone knows that doesn't always work.</p>

Zarador
06-03-2008, 02:54 PM
Unless I'm reading the site wrong, they ALSO get $5 off the next expansion.  So basically:<ul><li>They get to claim items that those who made a choice not to quit won't get.</li><li>They get RoK for free, which they charged the "Loyal Players" $39.95 for.</li><li>They get 2 months of free play time.  Remember, these are returning players, ones who normally get no free time because they most likely used the free time (30 days) they got with the retail box already and possibly a 30 day free trial.</li><li>They get their veteran rewards updated to current from their account start date.</li></ul>Pretty nice deal if you ask me.  I can't blame anyone for taking advantage of it and if it brings in new players, I guess that's great.  To bad being loyal simply means..you got to pay and play, nothing more than that.  Oh, and we get to pay an extra $5.00 for that new expansion that comes out.

Kiara-
06-03-2008, 02:55 PM
<p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=419622" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Yeah... they never do anything for the existing players.</span></a></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Darn them.</span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">This is awesome.  I'm very excited about the scope and sheer breadth of this promotion.  This is the kind of marketing push of which so many have been dreaming for so long.  </span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Way to go guys!!</span></p>

Meinen
06-03-2008, 02:59 PM
<cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=419622" target="_blank"><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Yeah... they never do anything for the existing players.</span></a></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Darn them.</span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">This is awesome.  I'm very excited about the scope and sheer breadth of this promotion.  This is the kind of marketing push of which so many have been dreaming for so long.  </span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Way to go guys!!</span></p></blockquote>Thats a step in the right direction for sure and notice it comes after everyone complaining? I am glad they have done something to improve performance, but my question is: why'd it take so long to do even if it is just a small performance improvement? Not trying to be ungrateful cause i am excited that they did this.

Zarador
06-03-2008, 03:00 PM
<cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=419622" target="_blank"><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Yeah... they never do anything for the existing players.</span></a></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Darn them.</span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">This is awesome.  I'm very excited about the scope and sheer breadth of this promotion.  This is the kind of marketing push of which so many have been dreaming for so long.  </span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Way to go guys!!</span></p></blockquote>Got me there, I have to say it was really awesome how us Exchange Server Players can now log into the game and actually be able to zone or use the broker.  Inovations like that are what puts them leaps and bounds ahead of the competition.  Imagine cutting the zone lag down from 5-10 minutes to almost nothing.  Sarcasm aside, I'm glad their finally trying to promote the game, but seriously, throw a bone to the players that never left as well.  As far as marketing pushes, I'm in the Tri-State Area (near NYC); a concept might even be to have the stores carry the product.  We visited Best Buy, Walmart, Circuit City, Target and three gaming chains.  Managed to get 3 retail copies before doing a DD of the other 4 we needed between friends and family.

Vidden
06-03-2008, 03:05 PM
<cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=419622" target="_blank"><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Yeah... they never do anything for the existing players.</span></a></p></blockquote><p>Dont be a smart @ss. Alot of people are very upset about this "promotion", including myself. </p><p> People saying that us loyal paying customers get vet rewards arent looking at the whole picture. New and returning accounts get access to these as well. The only way that this arguement would work is if SOE removed vet rewards from all of the new and returning accounts. That way us loyal paying customers were able to get something that the non-loyal quitters wont be able to get.</p><p>I'm all for this idea.</p>

Andok
06-03-2008, 03:10 PM
To everyone pitching a fit over not getting a free 12-slot backpack (or whatever), here is a very nice reward in this promotion for you:Recruitment Rewards: Earn up to twenty (20) months of free game play added at the end of your current subscription by recruiting friends who become EverQuest II subscribers.

Kiara-
06-03-2008, 03:11 PM
<p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">The point was, people are complaining that SOE doesn't do anything to actually improve the game.  They're saying that SOE ignores issues like lag and whatnot.</span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">It amazes me to see these blanket statements made with absolutely no factual knowledge behind it.  I linked tangible evidence that they're TRYING to fix these problems.</span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">In the meantime, they're trying to correct another major issue that players have been griping about ad nauseum for how long now?  Marketing.  Lack of population.  </span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">They spent months cooking up a ginormous winback/marketing campaign and all that anyone can do is complain cause someone else is going to get a spiffy in game item.</span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Think about it.  They're giving you what you said you wanted.  And now you don't want it anymore cause it isn't good enough and someone is getting a shinie toy that you can't have.</span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Personally, I'm completely stoked at how much effort was put into this.  I'd love to see more people enjoy this game.  There isn't really anything on the market to compare.  SOE is learning from their mistakes and from the failures and successes of others and trying to improve the game for all of us.  I think I'd rather have that then yet another status item in my home.</span></p>

interstellarmatter
06-03-2008, 03:14 PM
<p>What would you like from SOE?  A hug?  Hold hands and sing with you?</p><p>Come on, we're all adults here.  We know that companies offer marketing deals to bring in new customers.  The only thing that they owe you is to continue to provide you with a game that you enjoy.  If they failed at that, you'd be one of the people that they are making the offer towards.</p><p>Do you freak out when your internet provider offers reduce rates for 6 months to new customers?</p>

Zarador
06-03-2008, 03:15 PM
I think I can sum up how all three sides of this feel:Sony: We want you to come back, therefore were going to treat you like you never left and get you going again.Returning Players:  Well, so long as I get everything I would have had if I stayed, plus some incentives, it's worth a no risk try.Current Players:  We want new players, want to see the game grow, but feel like were being treated as if we were never here.So if you mention you feel slighted or angered, your someone wishing to see less players in the game and selfish.  Even if you plunked down a ton of coin over the years on expansions and subscriptions, you should be mature enough to sympathize even though those veteran benefits could exceed your three year account even if their subscription has been canceled for the past four years.  You should be glad their not only getting a few free months of play time and a free expansion, their also getting a discount you won't get on the next expansion. Yep, a $5.00 discount for returning and later buying the expansion that we will be paying full price for. Explain that one to me please? As a loyal customer since Everquest Live almost Beta, I get to pay $5.00 more as a reward?

TheSummoned
06-03-2008, 03:17 PM
All I'ma do with the 60 day sub is troll these forums! Muahahahaha!!!

Kiara-
06-03-2008, 03:19 PM
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">Do you react this way to any other service for which you pay that offers incentives to new customers or returning customers?</span>

Zarador
06-03-2008, 03:30 PM
<cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Do you react this way to any other service for which you pay that offers incentives to new customers or returning customers?</span></blockquote>It depends on the offer:<ul><li>If their going to be credited with veteran type rewards for something designed to reward you for years of a good standing account, yes I think I might object.</li><li>If their going to get a future discount on something not even released yet, while getting the current version free, yes I would object.  Since people mentioned phone services, it's like getting the free phone, airtime and discounts, then getting a discount on a phone being pushed WHEN IT"S LATER RELEASED to long standing customers above and beyond all they already received. </li><li>If the service offered special features only available to those who quit, not existing customers, my opinion might be swayed as well.</li></ul>Obviously, after all the years of playing SoE games, I'm not leaving.  I assume by this move they know most "loyal customers" will stay as well.  It still would have been nice if they setup some system that would cost them little but show that they appreciated the $200+ they get a month from my friends and family.  Maybe if they approached the issue as "Were giving you people that return the same great things our existing customers enjoy" and not so much extra.  You know, perhaps to the effect of every account in good standing will be credited 3 months to their veteran time for every year paid as a bonus, then add some new rewards? Honestly, if your sitting next to a worker who just returned after a few years of working with another company, how would you truly feel if they got more of a bonus because they been there longer than you, simply because they were hired back?  Say what you wish, but I believe most people would be a bit annoyed.  Basically, someone played for three years, is not eligible for the 4 year reward (like an account I started 3 years ago), but bringing back an account that has been dead since Launch qualifies you? Edit: I wanted to add that it is a flaw in human nature that many of us (self included) have.  If we can't have it, then not having it makes it even better.  In other words, since I can't claim the "stupid item" it makes it exclusive to those who can, so I want it.   I admit it, it's selfish. (At least I'm honest).  Obviously, if you make the item part of a campaign to lure players back, they felt it had merit as well. See the point?  You can't place a value on "Pixels" with promotional items (LoN comes to mind) and then devalue the worth of "Pixels" when you think it supports the cause.Edit II:The Majority of service companies out there when approached with the competitions deal or their own special deal at Re-Up time will match the deal to keep the customer. Try doing that with a month to month game subscription.  Tell them you want all that's being offered in this deal or you will leave.  We already know the answer so it's not a fair comparison.

Andok
06-03-2008, 03:30 PM
<cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Do you react this way to any other service for which you pay that offers incentives to new customers or returning customers?</span></blockquote>After I purchased my house, interest rates dropped several times, but the bank didn't lower the interest rate on <i>my </i>loan.... so I quit paying my mortgage!   <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

kenm
06-03-2008, 03:39 PM
<cite>TheSummoned wrote:</cite><blockquote>All I'ma do with the 60 day sub is troll these forums! Muahahahaha!!!</blockquote>Right on!Anyway, seriously anybody defending SOE here is the kind of pathetic sap SOE knows will stay no matter what kind of crap they go through.  I'd bet if SOE decided to make EQ2 free for life for all new accounts, but current subscribers had to pay $30 a month, Kiara would be right here cheering on SOE and defending them to the death.This game is a broken pile of crap.  SOE doesn't care about even attempting to improve it, and they believe that their current subscribers are complete idiots.  Grats on proving them right and not giving them any reason whatsoever to attempt to make the game suck less.Here's the *intelligent* way to look at the promotion:Wow, I'm getting rewarded for NOT paying SOE.  Two months play time?  Golly, if I actually enjoyed this game I would play for two months, which is easily enough time to get to 80 and clear all the raid zones, then get burnt out and not want to play anymore.   So, then I just let my free subscription expire and next year maybe they'll reward me again so I can repeat it with the next expansion!

1000Words
06-03-2008, 03:42 PM
Didn't something like this already happen like way back in December, except it wasn't really a "program", they were just re-activating old accounts and giving them free expansions and access for a month or two?

Thakar
06-03-2008, 03:46 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Remove all claim amounts from our claims if the account was active *before* this promo went live.  Let us re-claim our baby dragons, our paintings, etc.  It is a half-hearted resolution, but at least it is something!</blockquote>I like this idea!  I'd love to get a dragon, title, etc on my alt.

toxzi
06-03-2008, 03:52 PM
awww seriously. I shouldnt have reactivated my account before this stuff.. would have loved the all in one expansions.. and im sure the other dirt poor folks would have too.

bryldan
06-03-2008, 03:53 PM
Personally i think this is really screwed up move by soe. Its good they trying to get new players but to completely screw over existing customers in the process is bad business.Returning players should only have gotten a month free and thats it.But hey those ppl who left and come back for 2 months to just quit again is really helping huh. Well its helping push me out the door thats for sure considering the fact that i feel really slighted in this whole process.Edit: and who knows if i quit now maybe this time next year i will get the new expansion and 2 free months and a bunch of items for coming back then......

Wzed
06-03-2008, 04:01 PM
Up front, I love this promo, good job SOE. Even though I am not directly getting anything out of this, I am getting more people to play with, and that is a good thing. I already talked to a couple people here at work that have tried this game before, and they are going to come back and try again for the two months. If they stay...great..if not, at least SOE tried to win them over. And thats all they want to do.By the way, WoW is going to be crazy in 2+ months when the expansion comes out, so if SOE is going to win over any of the burned out WoW players, now would be the timeto do it before they activate their dorment WoW accounts.Again, two thumbs up SOE on the promo and timing.Also, I am also activating a dorment account to try 2-boxing. If it works, they may have 2 monthly paying accounts from me. Another win for SOE, another win for me, another win for the game.my 2cp

Vidden
06-03-2008, 04:02 PM
<cite>bryldan wrote:</cite><blockquote>Personally i think this is really screwed up move by soe. Its good they trying to get new players but to completely screw over existing customers in the process is bad business.Returning players should only have gotten a month free and thats it.But hey those ppl who left and come back for 2 months to just quit again is really helping huh. Well its helping push me out the door thats for sure considering the fact that i feel really slighted in this whole process.Edit: and who knows if i quit now maybe this time next year i will get the new expansion and 2 free months and a bunch of items for coming back then......</blockquote><p>I am right there with you. This "screw our current customer" plan sucks and they are going to end up losing alot of customers over this. I cancelled my account this morning. Maybe some time in the near future SOE will come begging me to come back offering free time and items that the rest of the paying people who choose to stay with the game wont get.</p>

Liral
06-03-2008, 04:12 PM
<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Good lord, you guys are like little kids.</p><p>Me! Me! I want something.  Holding my breath!  Me! Me!</p></blockquote>It's quite the pathetic sight isn't it?

Zaldor
06-03-2008, 04:16 PM
I'm just happy to find out the SOE <i><b><u>HAS</u></b></i> a marketing department.Maybe now I will no longer get questions like, "How is Everquest 2 doing nowadays?  You never hear, read or see anything about it."Was it the last expansion that a picture of the "marketing department" was posted and it was some guy with a laptop sitting on a couch?  He looked like the kind of guy you would buy "used" electronics from.BTW - you people comparing what SOE is doing to what cable companies and phone companies do as a business plan.  If I was SOE, I would be offended to be lumped in with the likes of such "businesses."

Katanari
06-03-2008, 04:25 PM
<p>Here is my take on this whole thing. I think SoE is doing what they have to do in order to keep the communities up and running, and I think it's a great thing! I think it's about time SoE promotes it's products. The ingame items they are getting dones't concern me at all, it's all fluff if you ask me.</p><p>What I am concerned about is the fact they are getting all the expansions for free. I can think of a few people in my guild that don't have RoK yet, mainly because they cannot afford to buy the expansion or some other issue. But they are at least an active account and been loyal customers of SoE. Yet people who left the game are getting all the expansions for free, and these loyal customers are getting "the shaft" so to speak. I myself was hoping to get the expansions for EQ1 and start playing it again, but because I have station access my EQ1 account is still active even though it's been a year since I have logged into EQ1.</p><p>Basically I think there is a balance SoE can do to give incentive to new players but also give benefit and thanks to the current EQ communities. I think the best way is to at least give all expansions to the currently members as well as the new members coming back to the game. But that's just my 2cp <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

liveja
06-03-2008, 04:26 PM
<cite>Zaldor wrote:</cite><blockquote>BTW - you people comparing what SOE is doing to what cable companies and phone companies do as a business plan. If I was SOE, I would be offended to be lumped in with the likes of such "businesses."</blockquote><p>The other day, I read that Verizon Wireless ranked #1 on a customer service poll. Something tells me SOE would love to be lumped in with that <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>In any event, while I think this promotion could have been handled better, it doesn't adversely affect me, so I'm not about to get fired up over it.</p>

DragonMaster2385
06-03-2008, 04:29 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>bryldan wrote:</cite><blockquote>Personally i think this is really screwed up move by soe. Its good they trying to get new players but to completely screw over existing customers in the process is bad business.Returning players should only have gotten a month free and thats it.But hey those ppl who left and come back for 2 months to just quit again is really helping huh. Well its helping push me out the door thats for sure considering the fact that i feel really slighted in this whole process.Edit: and who knows if i quit now maybe this time next year i will get the new expansion and 2 free months and a bunch of items for coming back then......</blockquote><p>I am right there with you. This "screw our current customer" plan sucks and they are going to end up losing alot of customers over this. I cancelled my account this morning. Maybe some time in the near future SOE will come begging me to come back offering free time and items that the rest of the paying people who choose to stay with the game wont get.</p></blockquote> <p >Wow.<span>  </span>Good riddens.<span>  </span>People like you make this world like it is; everyone trying to be so politically correct and forcing companies/people to walk on eggshells trying not to make a single person mad.<span>  </span>I bet you were an ex-Wow player with that kind of immature mentality.<span>  </span></p> <p >It's a promotion, get over it.<span>  </span>If they hadn't done the living legacy promotion, you STILL would have had to pay for the next 2 months and you STILL wouldn't have a drake pet, so what is the big fuss about?<span>  </span>SOE is actually trying to compete with the other big dogs out there and the new MMOs coming out and all you guys do is complain that you aren't getting a new x or an updated y.<span>  </span>If you have been playing for so long, then you really win because you have spent the last 3 years having a blast and these guys have been missing out.</p> <p >The only people that have a remotely reasonable reason to be disappointed are if they signed up 2 days before the promotion started.<span>  </span>If that was the case, they can contact CS and, chances are, they will get flagged for the free stuff.<span>  </span> </p> <p >This is standard marking practice guys.<span>  </span>They shouldn't have to treat their players like little children and give them free crap every time they throw a temper tantrum.</p>

Meinen
06-03-2008, 04:34 PM
<cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Do you react this way to any other service for which you pay that offers incentives to new customers or returning customers?</span></blockquote>lots of companies offer promotions both to existing and new customers...maybe not at the same time, but i have seen comcast do special promotions.  Cell phone companies offer a free phone upgrade everytime your account is renewable and new customers get free phones. lots of companies do different things, so this arguement holds no water.

Vidden
06-03-2008, 04:40 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>bryldan wrote:</cite><blockquote>Personally i think this is really screwed up move by soe. Its good they trying to get new players but to completely screw over existing customers in the process is bad business.Returning players should only have gotten a month free and thats it.But hey those ppl who left and come back for 2 months to just quit again is really helping huh. Well its helping push me out the door thats for sure considering the fact that i feel really slighted in this whole process.Edit: and who knows if i quit now maybe this time next year i will get the new expansion and 2 free months and a bunch of items for coming back then......</blockquote><p>I am right there with you. This "screw our current customer" plan sucks and they are going to end up losing alot of customers over this. I cancelled my account this morning. Maybe some time in the near future SOE will come begging me to come back offering free time and items that the rest of the paying people who choose to stay with the game wont get.</p></blockquote><p>Wow.<span>  </span>Good riddens.<span>  </span>People like you make this world like it is; everyone trying to be so politically correct and forcing companies/people to walk on eggshells trying not to make a single person mad.<span>  </span>I bet you were an ex-Wow player with that kind of immature mentality.<span>  </span></p><p>It's a promotion, get over it.<span>  </span>If they hadn't done the living legacy promotion, you STILL would have had to pay for the next 2 months and you STILL wouldn't have a drake pet, so what is the big fuss about?<span>  </span>SOE is actually trying to compete with the other big dogs out there and the new MMOs coming out and all you guys do is complain that you aren't getting a new x or an updated y.<span>  </span>If you have been playing for so long, then you really win because you have spent the last 3 years having a blast and these guys have been missing out.</p><p>The only people that have a remotely reasonable reason to be disappointed are if they signed up 2 days before the promotion started.<span>  </span>If that was the case, they can contact CS and, chances are, they will get flagged for the free stuff.<span>  </span> </p><p>This is standard marking practice guys.<span>  </span>They shouldn't have to treat their players like little children and give them free crap every time they throw a temper tantrum.</p></blockquote><p>Actually no I am not an ex-wow player. I have been very loyal to SOE for 9 years now. I played EQ1 up till the current expansion, played EQOA for about 2 years, played EQ2 since beta, SWG for about 6 months, VG for about 2 months. SOE has made a TON of money off of me and my 3 accounts. Instead of rewarding me with some free play time and some goodies for being a great customer, they go and give that stuff to either...</p><p>1. Trial accounts.... people who tried the game, but for some reason or another, didnt decide to buy the game. Obviously they dont want to play because the account never made it past trial account..... </p><p>or</p><p>2. Inactive accounts.... People who left the game. You people seem to be missing this important point. I will say it again for you. People who LEFT the game. These people for one reason or another quit playing. Yes I understand some of them had to quit due to money reasons in RL, and for them I am happy. But I would say atleast 85% of the inactive accounts, if not more then that, are that way because they didnt enjoy the game anymore and left. They LEFT the game.</p><p>Wheres the love for those of us who have been here and remained here? Oh I guess we get "the joy of playing all this time". Those of you who actually support that idea are idiots.</p>

Vidden
06-03-2008, 04:41 PM
Oh and to add to my last post. I may not be an ex-wow player, but theres a good chance I might become a current one...

Kiara-
06-03-2008, 04:44 PM
<cite>Meinen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Do you react this way to any other service for which you pay that offers incentives to new customers or returning customers?</span></blockquote>lots of companies offer promotions both to existing and new customers...maybe not at the same time, but i have seen comcast do special promotions.  Cell phone companies offer a free phone upgrade everytime your account is renewable and new customers get free phones. lots of companies do different things, so this arguement holds no water.</blockquote><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Only if you assume that they aren't giving you anything.  Like the free game time if you bring friends in.  That's a fairly significant offer, right there.  I also wouldn't assume that you won't be getting any other nifty goodies in the future.  So, actually, yes.  My argument holds as much water as does yours and the other people complaining because SOE is marketing the product.</span>

Apocroph
06-03-2008, 04:46 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh and to add to my last post. I may not be an ex-wow player, but theres a good chance I might become a current one...</blockquote>If you're wanting better customer service, WoW is not the game for you, champ.

DragonMaster2385
06-03-2008, 04:47 PM
I'm sure you'll fit right in.  EQ2 lost a lot of players after launch because it wasn't ready to be released.  The people that they will be most successful with is the people that played at launch and left because they didn't like the state of the game.  Now, since the game has changed 300% since released, they might be more likely to stay since the game is very well polished and a completely different game than it was before.  I'm sure SOE loves that you have been a devoted customer, but they have given you tons of free content throughout the years and all you can do is complain that you aren't getting those stupid fluff objects.  That makes me lol.

Luier
06-03-2008, 04:48 PM
<p>haveing to wait another 18 hours for the download to finish is not!</p><p>I just reloaded the game from the EoF all in 1 pack (has like 4 expansions) now the uploader says it will take another 17 hours to download!!!</p><p>edit: Wait a minute!  I get the latest expansion for free too?????  wow, this is awesome! No wonder the download is so long, am I understanding this right?  I get two free months, a bundle of goodies when I log on, and the latest expansion (RoK all in 1 pack) FREE!?!?!?!???</p>

Miroh
06-03-2008, 04:48 PM
  Move this to where ever it best fits, but General Gameplay seemed fitting.    Alright, so I see the recent news of Living Legacy...<hr /><a rel="nofollow" href="http://livinglegacy.station.sony.com/everquest2.vm" target="_blank">Living Legacy</a> <h3>          </h3> <h3> Rewards Await Your Return! Experience the Living Legacy Events Now!</h3> <p>Living Legacy is a celebration in honor of the millions of past, present and future <i>EverQuest<sup>®</sup>II</i> players.  Norrath will be home to an eventful summer dedicated to the heritage and progression of the <i>EverQuest II</i> world.  Numerous rewards await the legends that return to the fight and live the <i>EverQuest II </i>legacy.</p> <p>Come back for <b>FREE</b> or join now and enjoy the celebration!  </p> <ul><li><h1>Free Game Play Time</h1> All inactive subscribers (in good standing) and trial <i>EQII</i> accounts can play at no cost until July 31, 2008.  </li><li><h1>Free <i>Rise of Kunark</i> All-In-One Pack</h1> Access the latest content; keep a complimentary digital copy of this compilation version of the game when you convert to a monthly subscription plan for <i>EQII</i>.</li></ul><span style="font-size: small;"></span><hr /><span style="font-size: small;"> <span style="font-size: x-small;">  Am I reading this correctly or am I missing something??  What I see for myself, with an active subscription is this...  Next Payment: <b>$14.99</b> plus applicable taxes ( Scheduled For 6/16/08 )  This just doesn't seem right in my opinion.  Now if I have the wrong assumption or am misinformed then I retract my statement.  If not, I will reply with something a bit more suitable for the events at hand.</span></span>

Meinen
06-03-2008, 04:52 PM
<cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meinen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Do you react this way to any other service for which you pay that offers incentives to new customers or returning customers?</span></blockquote>lots of companies offer promotions both to existing and new customers...maybe not at the same time, but i have seen comcast do special promotions.  Cell phone companies offer a free phone upgrade everytime your account is renewable and new customers get free phones. lots of companies do different things, so this arguement holds no water.</blockquote><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Only if you assume that they aren't giving you anything.  Like the free game time if you bring friends in.  That's a fairly significant offer, right there.  I also wouldn't assume that you won't be getting any other nifty goodies in the future.  So, actually, yes.  My argument holds as much water as does yours and the other people complaining because SOE is marketing the product.</span></blockquote><p>I can see your point there and well argued. Still just rubs me all wrong...kinda like when someone keeps rubbing the same spot and it gets really annoying.</p><p>Lots of good MMO's out there, for me, there aren't any good fantasy MMO's and thats my preferred genre. So i wouldn't quit over this, but i have a hard time swallowing the pill and will not just accept it cause SoE is finally doing some marketing.</p>

Andok
06-03-2008, 04:54 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>bryldan wrote:</cite><blockquote>Personally i think this is really screwed up move by soe. Its good they trying to get new players but to completely screw over existing customers in the process is bad business.Returning players should only have gotten a month free and thats it.But hey those ppl who left and come back for 2 months to just quit again is really helping huh. Well its helping push me out the door thats for sure considering the fact that i feel really slighted in this whole process.Edit: and who knows if i quit now maybe this time next year i will get the new expansion and 2 free months and a bunch of items for coming back then......</blockquote><p>I am right there with you. This "screw our current customer" plan sucks and they are going to end up losing alot of customers over this. I cancelled my account this morning. Maybe some time in the near future SOE will come begging me to come back offering free time and items that the rest of the paying people who choose to stay with the game wont get.</p></blockquote><p>Wow.<span>  </span>Good riddens.<span>  </span>People like you make this world like it is; everyone trying to be so politically correct and forcing companies/people to walk on eggshells trying not to make a single person mad.<span>  </span>I bet you were an ex-Wow player with that kind of immature mentality.<span>  </span></p><p>It's a promotion, get over it.<span>  </span>If they hadn't done the living legacy promotion, you STILL would have had to pay for the next 2 months and you STILL wouldn't have a drake pet, so what is the big fuss about?<span>  </span>SOE is actually trying to compete with the other big dogs out there and the new MMOs coming out and all you guys do is complain that you aren't getting a new x or an updated y.<span>  </span>If you have been playing for so long, then you really win because you have spent the last 3 years having a blast and these guys have been missing out.</p><p>The only people that have a remotely reasonable reason to be disappointed are if they signed up 2 days before the promotion started.<span>  </span>If that was the case, they can contact CS and, chances are, they will get flagged for the free stuff.<span>  </span> </p><p>This is standard marking practice guys.<span>  </span>They shouldn't have to treat their players like little children and give them free crap every time they throw a temper tantrum.</p></blockquote><p>Actually no I am not an ex-wow player. I have been very loyal to SOE for 9 years now. I played EQ1 up till the current expansion, played EQOA for about 2 years, played EQ2 since beta, SWG for about 6 months, VG for about 2 months. SOE has made a TON of money off of me and my 3 accounts. Instead of rewarding me with some free play time and some goodies for being a great customer, they go and give that stuff to either...</p><p>1. Trial accounts.... people who tried the game, but for some reason or another, didnt decide to buy the game. Obviously they dont want to play because the account never made it past trial account..... </p><p>or</p><p>2. Inactive accounts.... People who left the game. You people seem to be missing this important point. I will say it again for you. People who LEFT the game. These people for one reason or another quit playing. Yes I understand some of them had to quit due to money reasons in RL, and for them I am happy. But I would say atleast 85% of the inactive accounts, if not more then that, are that way because they didnt enjoy the game anymore and left. They LEFT the game.</p><p>Wheres the love for those of us who have been here and remained here? Oh I guess we get "the joy of playing all this time". Those of you who actually support that idea are idiots.</p></blockquote>Hmmm... I still don't care.  Then again, I don't measure my enjoyment of a game based on what my neighbor is getting.  They could be passing out Wargs and bags of platinum and I still wouldn’t care, so I’m certainly not going to throw a fit over a couple of baubles and some free game time.

bryldan
06-03-2008, 04:54 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm sure you'll fit right in.  EQ2 lost a lot of players after launch because it wasn't ready to be released.  The people that they will be most successful with is the people that played at launch and left because they didn't like the state of the game.  Now, since the game has changed 300% since released, they might be more likely to stay since the game is very well polished and a completely different game than it was before.  I'm sure SOE loves that you have been a devoted customer, but they have given you tons of free content throughout the years and all you can do is complain that you aren't getting those stupid fluff objects.  That makes me lol.</blockquote>Tell me what they have given me for free? 15$ a month and 40$ a year is what i pay(o and cannot forget the few mini xpacs also). I could easily play another game for that and to top it off they offer more and they do not slap ya in the face like a red-headed step-child. So ya i am paying for them to patch this bug ridden game and to keep me occupied but ill be danged to pay them to treat me like dirt.So tell me what free content have they given us???? Have they given me any free expansion? NOPE have they given me two free months??? NOPE  have they racked up a long list of things to give me for being loyal. I guess you could say yes with the vet rewards but guess what if i quit for 10 years and log back on i will still have them!!!!!

Vidden
06-03-2008, 04:55 PM
Why not give everyone that logs into the game, current and non current players, the fluff items then, if thats just what they are, then those of you that are to high and mighty to want those just dont claim them? That way it allows those of us who do want them the chance to get our hands on them. And its not just about the ingame items, its the free play time and free expansions as well.

Wzed
06-03-2008, 04:59 PM
I wonder how many will try to two-box now?Very popular in EQ1.

interstellarmatter
06-03-2008, 05:01 PM
<p>Join the party</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=418996" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=418996</a></p>

SynyaRed
06-03-2008, 05:01 PM
<cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Stanrule1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>My previous thread was locked but no answers to my questions =( <div></div><div>So basically, I re-subscribed to Everquest II yesterday after a four month hiatus. Then this morning I got the email about the 2 free months, free expansion, in-game items, and discount on the new expansion. I am not really concerned with the free two months, but since I do not have the Kunark expansion I would really like to get this. Is there anyway for me to take advantage of this offer and get the expansion? I feel like I am being punished for re-subscribing.</div><div></div><div>Is it possible for me to cancel my account, wait the month out and then re-activate it using the offer and get the free expansion?</div><div></div><div>Thanks in advance for any help!</div></blockquote>Contact CS. It's not something that I can answer (I'm not CS and don't know what they can do), and they aren't able to scan the forums for CS questions.</blockquote><p>I am in a similar boat. I purchased from the online store ROK and reactivated my account on May 22. The FAQ clearly states that anything inactive on April 30th is eligible.</p><p>The CS agent just gave me the EUA agreement.   I understand the whole point of this was to attract customers, I can see this one backfiring big time if they don't respond to people that bought it within a few days of this promotion. </p><p>I was given an escalation contact by the chat TSR, and hopefully it pans out..  If not, then its a learning experience and I find another company to give 3 re-occurring monthly subscriptions on..   </p>

DragonMaster2385
06-03-2008, 05:02 PM
<cite>bryldan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm sure you'll fit right in.  EQ2 lost a lot of players after launch because it wasn't ready to be released.  The people that they will be most successful with is the people that played at launch and left because they didn't like the state of the game.  Now, since the game has changed 300% since released, they might be more likely to stay since the game is very well polished and a completely different game than it was before.  I'm sure SOE loves that you have been a devoted customer, but they have given you tons of free content throughout the years and all you can do is complain that you aren't getting those stupid fluff objects.  That makes me lol.</blockquote>Tell me what they have given me for free? 15$ a month and 40$ a year is what i pay(o and cannot forget the few mini xpacs also). I could easily play another game for that and to top it off they offer more and they do not slap ya in the face like a red-headed step-child. So ya i am paying for them to patch this bug ridden game and to keep me occupied but ill be danged to pay them to treat me like dirt.So tell me what free content have they given us???? Have they given me any free expansion? NOPE have they given me two free months??? NOPE  have they racked up a long list of things to give me for being loyal. I guess you could say yes with the vet rewards but guess what if i quit for 10 years and log back on i will still have them!!!!!</blockquote>The free content I am talking about is all of the live events that have taken place, the new zones, quests, starting city, etc that have been added without you having to pay more for them.  Sure, the new players also have access to this, but you act as if SOE doesn't give anything back to the community.

Josgar
06-03-2008, 05:03 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>bryldan wrote:</cite><blockquote>Personally i think this is really screwed up move by soe. Its good they trying to get new players but to completely screw over existing customers in the process is bad business.Returning players should only have gotten a month free and thats it.But hey those ppl who left and come back for 2 months to just quit again is really helping huh. Well its helping push me out the door thats for sure considering the fact that i feel really slighted in this whole process.Edit: and who knows if i quit now maybe this time next year i will get the new expansion and 2 free months and a bunch of items for coming back then......</blockquote><p>I am right there with you. This "screw our current customer" plan sucks and they are going to end up losing alot of customers over this. I cancelled my account this morning. Maybe some time in the near future SOE will come begging me to come back offering free time and items that the rest of the paying people who choose to stay with the game wont get.</p></blockquote><p>Wow.<span>  </span>Good riddens.<span>  </span>People like you make this world like it is; everyone trying to be so politically correct and forcing companies/people to walk on eggshells trying not to make a single person mad.<span>  </span>I bet you were an ex-Wow player with that kind of immature mentality.<span>  </span></p><p>It's a promotion, get over it.<span>  </span>If they hadn't done the living legacy promotion, you STILL would have had to pay for the next 2 months and you STILL wouldn't have a drake pet, so what is the big fuss about?<span>  </span>SOE is actually trying to compete with the other big dogs out there and the new MMOs coming out and all you guys do is complain that you aren't getting a new x or an updated y.<span>  </span>If you have been playing for so long, then you really win because you have spent the last 3 years having a blast and these guys have been missing out.</p><p>The only people that have a remotely reasonable reason to be disappointed are if they signed up 2 days before the promotion started.<span>  </span>If that was the case, they can contact CS and, chances are, they will get flagged for the free stuff.<span>  </span> </p><p>This is standard marking practice guys.<span>  </span>They shouldn't have to treat their players like little children and give them free crap every time they throw a temper tantrum.</p></blockquote><p>Actually no I am not an ex-wow player. I have been very loyal to SOE for 9 years now. I played EQ1 up till the current expansion, played EQOA for about 2 years, played EQ2 since beta, SWG for about 6 months, VG for about 2 months. SOE has made a TON of money off of me and my 3 accounts. Instead of rewarding me with some free play time and some goodies for being a great customer, they go and give that stuff to either...</p><p>1. Trial accounts.... people who tried the game, but for some reason or another, didnt decide to buy the game. Obviously they dont want to play because the account never made it past trial account..... </p><p>or</p><p>2. Inactive accounts.... People who left the game. You people seem to be missing this important point. I will say it again for you. People who LEFT the game. These people for one reason or another quit playing. Yes I understand some of them had to quit due to money reasons in RL, and for them I am happy. But I would say atleast 85% of the inactive accounts, if not more then that, are that way because they didnt enjoy the game anymore and left. They LEFT the game.</p><p>Wheres the love for those of us who have been here and remained here? Oh I guess we get "the joy of playing all this time". Those of you who actually support that idea are idiots.</p></blockquote>The whole point of this entire marketing blitz is to get people who have left the game to try it again and see the changes. Sure, the trial people might have not continued with the trial for a reason, but that reason could range from the trial being too short (I have seen it time and time again) to it not being that person's playstyle, which again could be based on limitations of the trial. Inactive accounts could have laid dorment since 04 when this game was a lot different. It could have been boring to those people. Yes they LEFT the game. They left it to die for all we know, but the point of this is to win them back.  I don't enjoy being called an idiot. A lot of companies do this same exact thing. I have been very loyal to SOE for 9 years now. Got EQ1 in 1999.  Had 2 eq1 accounts and 2 eq2 accounts. I had station access with SWG, EQ2, VGSOH, etc since about 05. I play EQ2 and even bought Lords of Everquest. I have all of the expansions. They deffinately have made money from me. But, you know what we have. We have experience. We have the joys of playing these games. Those people that are new coming in do not have that. They just have their option to test the game out.This is no different than the all in one bundles that have been coming out. They are to entice people to join the game without having to plop out 200 dollars all at the same exact time. They will be receiving the Kunark bundle for free now, and then will be buying Expansion 5 (I am assuming they will bundle it too) later which would have gotten them everything in the first place. It is a loss-leader situation.Now don´t go out and start calling them $OE or anything like that. We as players have benefits in the long run. With ¨millions (quoting the website)¨ being given the opportunity to come back and experience this summer of updates, there will most likely be more players. When the new expansion roles around, there may be an opportunity for more grouping situations.(FYI by calling people stupid for not agreeing with you, you are ultimately reducing the strength of your argument.)Come back for FREE or join now and enjoy the celebration!    <span style="color: #ff0000;"> *      Free Game Play Time      All inactive subscribers (in good standing) and trial EQII accounts can play at no cost until July 31, 2008.     *      Free Rise of Kunark All-In-One Pack<span style="color: #ffff00;"> Soe ends up losing a bunch of money on this part of the deal.</span>      Access the latest content; keep a complimentary digital copy of this compilation version of the game when you convert to a monthly subscription plan for EQII.</span>    *      New Recruitment Trial Program      Future EQII legends that are invited will receive various rewards for their participation.    *     <span style="color: #3399ff;"> Recruitment Rewards <span style="color: #ffff33;">I am assuming anyone can participate in that.</span>      Earn up to twenty (20) months of free game play added at the end of your current subscription by recruiting friends who become EverQuest II subscribers.</span>    *      <span style="color: #33cc00;">Discount Coupons</span> <span style="color: #ffff00;">SOE losing more money</span><span style="color: #00cc33;">      Receive $5.00 (or local currency equivalent) off the purchase of the next EQII expansion (scheduled for release Fall 200<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> if you convert to a monthly subscription and purchase the expansion through the Station Store by Dec. 21, 2008.    *</span>      <span style="color: #cc00ff;">Unique Bundle of In-Game Items <span style="color: #ffff00;">Trivial Items, A cloak and a bag  i think.</span>      Redeem items upon initial log in and additional items with your purchase of the upcoming new expansion.</span>    *     <span style="color: #66ccff;"> Player Events <span style="color: #ffff00;">I assume that we all participate in these too...</span>      Robust game updates offering new zones, live-events, access to new themed content from the upcoming expansion pack and in-game activities.    *      Legends of Norrath™      Free game client, starter pack pack and access to competitive prize tournaments.    *      Contests & Promotional Offers      Opportunity to participate in events to earn EQII merchandise, a free copy of the upcoming EverQuest II expansion pack, a beta invitation and in-game items. Click here for more details.<span style="color: #000000;">Pro´s: More players, lots of events, contests, chances to recruit people.Con´s: Old people feel like they get the short end of the stick; however, it is similar to buying an all in one pack in the future and getting this stuff free earlier.Overall: I applaud the SOE marketing team. Most companies only do these marketing blitzes for about a week. Hopefully it encourages many new people to start playing.</span></span>

Zarador
06-03-2008, 05:05 PM
You know what, someone brought up a VERY VALID POINT.  If your a PAYING customer and you have not purchased RoK your out of luck, are you not?  So, before we start the whole good of the game and charity speech, how about we just throw that in as part of the package for ALL users?  heck, I just laid out $40 last month for our son's account since he decided to return to the game.  I thought it was bad enough that they lowered it by $10 a week later, if we waited, we would have had that and so much more for FREE!So please, all the fan people out there, do explain why any current user without RoK still has to buy it when it's being given away as a promo with 2 months for free and more?

Miroh
06-03-2008, 05:08 PM
  If I am understanding it correctly, it would probably make me play Age of Conan even more than what I do now and soon after Cancel my eq2 account.  But thats just me, I can't speak for anyone else that has stayed Active with EQ2.  Edit:  That thread is mixed with all the topics dealing with the Living Legacy, figured I would make one going straight for one thing... 

shadowscale
06-03-2008, 05:09 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="color: #00cc33;">*</span>      <span style="color: #cc00ff;">Unique Bundle of In-Game Items <span style="color: #ffff00;">Trivial Items, A cloak and a bag  i think.</span>      Redeem items upon initial log in and additional items with your purchase of the upcoming new expansion.</span>    <span style="color: #66ccff;"></span></blockquote>and a fay drake pet for good people and lava drake for evil that can be used out of the house. and i happen to like collecting cloaks.

interstellarmatter
06-03-2008, 05:11 PM
<cite>bryldan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm sure you'll fit right in.  EQ2 lost a lot of players after launch because it wasn't ready to be released.  The people that they will be most successful with is the people that played at launch and left because they didn't like the state of the game.  Now, since the game has changed 300% since released, they might be more likely to stay since the game is very well polished and a completely different game than it was before.  I'm sure SOE loves that you have been a devoted customer, but they have given you tons of free content throughout the years and all you can do is complain that you aren't getting those stupid fluff objects.  That makes me lol.</blockquote>Tell me what they have given me for free? 15$ a month and 40$ a year is what i pay(o and cannot forget the few mini xpacs also). I could easily play another game for that and to top it off they offer more and they do not slap ya in the face like a red-headed step-child. So ya i am paying for them to patch this bug ridden game and to keep me occupied but ill be danged to pay them to treat me like dirt.So tell me what free content have they given us???? Have they given me any free expansion? NOPE have they given me two free months??? NOPE  have they racked up a long list of things to give me for being loyal. I guess you could say yes with the vet rewards but guess what if i quit for 10 years and log back on i will still have them!!!!!</blockquote>Dude, you really need to put this into perspective a little bit.  You're taking this way too personally.

Tel
06-03-2008, 05:12 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh and to add to my last post. I may not be an ex-wow player, but theres a good chance I might become a current one...  </blockquote><span style="color: #0066cc;">Enjoy the cesspool of players that WoW considers a "community", as well as the entire game being turned into an "E-Sport" around a flawed and boring Arena combat system.</span>

Razlath
06-03-2008, 05:12 PM
<p>Once again, the problem is NOT the free time for me.</p><p>The problem is permanent In-game items being handed out to new people when those same in-game items could easily be handed out to everyone.  These items do not cost anything for SoE to hand out.  There is absolutely no reason they could not have given them to everyone.</p><p>To all those crying you didn't have it before, or you aren't hurt by them not giving it to you, turn that argument on its head.  The new accounts / return accounts didn't have them before either, and it wouldn't hurt them at all if everyone got them.</p><p>To those crying all companies do promotions.  Of course they do.  Usually those promotions are limited to discounts on existing services all can enjoy.  This is only part of what SoE has done, the other part is to provide something new to the new / returning players that a loyal player can NEVER obtain.  This is like your satellite company giving all new subscribers the newest firmware for their DVR, but you have to use the old firmware because you aren't a new customer.  It wouldn't cost them anything to download that firmware to your reciever, and the same is true of SoE.  The problem isn't that they are giving peeps free playtime, or free RoK.  I say give it to em, get them back in the door!  The point is in the in game items that there is absolutely no valid reason not to give to everyone.</p><p>It would cost them nothing to hand out the permanent character items to all active accounts.  It would also go a long way towards fostering community spirit as opposed to this stupid divisive stance they have taken.  Now you see someone running around with a pet drake and you know they are a new account.  There will even be those who will refuse to answer questions with "Why don't you ask your drake?"  Come on we all know there will be some who do this (it may be extreme, but it WILL happen).  I am the only person in my circle of RL friends who plays EQ2 (beyond my wife at least), but a lot of my friends play MMOs.  The constant comment I hear is EQ2 community is full of elitist hardcore peeps.  They won't help anyone and are always rude.  Of course it isn't true (as I usually try to explain), and most of us go well out of our way to help people.  But when people get answers like the above they are going to tell all their friends how true the rhetoric is.  All of which could have been avoided by giving what is essentially a free to SoE item to all of their customers new and old.  Even if this only happens once every 100 cases, it was easily avoidable!  Choosing to do something that is easily avoidable and will cost you even one sub is stupid.</p><p>I am not saying SoE never does anything for us, and frankly I could care less if you had given every new or returning account a free suit of TD gear.  Temporary items are unimportant as is time / expansions.  Permanent game items that could only ever be obtained by quitting or choosing not to play the game are what I have a problem with.  </p><p>How did you get that cool cloak?  Oh I quit the game, called SoE names, did my best to ruin the game on the way out the door, and made loyal customers pay for the changes I wanted.  Now I am back, thanks so much for keeping SoE paid so they could make a game I wanted to play.  So sorry that many features you liked were changed to suit me who wasn't even playing anymore.  </p><p>How did you get that cool drake?  Oh well I didn't contribute to the community for 4 years, and didn't give SoE a dime for 4 years either.  What?  SoE didn't give you one?  Hmmm, maybe I don't want to be part of this game after all.  I mean what happens in a couple years when I am a vet?  Am I gonna get left out in the cold too?</p>

Vidden
06-03-2008, 05:12 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>bryldan wrote:</cite><blockquote>Personally i think this is really screwed up move by soe. Its good they trying to get new players but to completely screw over existing customers in the process is bad business.Returning players should only have gotten a month free and thats it.But hey those ppl who left and come back for 2 months to just quit again is really helping huh. Well its helping push me out the door thats for sure considering the fact that i feel really slighted in this whole process.Edit: and who knows if i quit now maybe this time next year i will get the new expansion and 2 free months and a bunch of items for coming back then......</blockquote><p>I am right there with you. This "screw our current customer" plan sucks and they are going to end up losing alot of customers over this. I cancelled my account this morning. Maybe some time in the near future SOE will come begging me to come back offering free time and items that the rest of the paying people who choose to stay with the game wont get.</p></blockquote><p>Wow.<span>  </span>Good riddens.<span>  </span>People like you make this world like it is; everyone trying to be so politically correct and forcing companies/people to walk on eggshells trying not to make a single person mad.<span>  </span>I bet you were an ex-Wow player with that kind of immature mentality.<span>  </span></p><p>It's a promotion, get over it.<span>  </span>If they hadn't done the living legacy promotion, you STILL would have had to pay for the next 2 months and you STILL wouldn't have a drake pet, so what is the big fuss about?<span>  </span>SOE is actually trying to compete with the other big dogs out there and the new MMOs coming out and all you guys do is complain that you aren't getting a new x or an updated y.<span>  </span>If you have been playing for so long, then you really win because you have spent the last 3 years having a blast and these guys have been missing out.</p><p>The only people that have a remotely reasonable reason to be disappointed are if they signed up 2 days before the promotion started.<span>  </span>If that was the case, they can contact CS and, chances are, they will get flagged for the free stuff.<span>  </span> </p><p>This is standard marking practice guys.<span>  </span>They shouldn't have to treat their players like little children and give them free crap every time they throw a temper tantrum.</p></blockquote><p>Actually no I am not an ex-wow player. I have been very loyal to SOE for 9 years now. I played EQ1 up till the current expansion, played EQOA for about 2 years, played EQ2 since beta, SWG for about 6 months, VG for about 2 months. SOE has made a TON of money off of me and my 3 accounts. Instead of rewarding me with some free play time and some goodies for being a great customer, they go and give that stuff to either...</p><p>1. Trial accounts.... people who tried the game, but for some reason or another, didnt decide to buy the game. Obviously they dont want to play because the account never made it past trial account..... </p><p>or</p><p>2. Inactive accounts.... People who left the game. You people seem to be missing this important point. I will say it again for you. People who LEFT the game. These people for one reason or another quit playing. Yes I understand some of them had to quit due to money reasons in RL, and for them I am happy. But I would say atleast 85% of the inactive accounts, if not more then that, are that way because they didnt enjoy the game anymore and left. They LEFT the game.</p><p>Wheres the love for those of us who have been here and remained here? Oh I guess we get "the joy of playing all this time". Those of you who actually support that idea are idiots.</p></blockquote>The whole point of this entire marketing blitz is to get people who have left the game to try it again and see the changes. Sure, the trial people might have not continued with the trial for a reason, but that reason could range from the trial being too short (I have seen it time and time again) to it not being that person's playstyle, which again could be based on limitations of the trial. Inactive accounts could have laid dorment since 04 when this game was a lot different. It could have been boring to those people. Yes they LEFT the game. They left it to die for all we know, but the point of this is to win them back.  I don't enjoy being called an idiot. A lot of companies do this same exact thing. I have been very loyal to SOE for 9 years now. Got EQ1 in 1999.  Had 2 eq1 accounts and 2 eq2 accounts. I had station access with SWG, EQ2, VGSOH, etc since about 05. I play EQ2 and even bought Lords of Everquest. I have all of the expansions. They deffinately have made money from me. But, you know what we have. We have experience. We have the joys of playing these games. Those people that are new coming in do not have that. They just have their option to test the game out.This is no different than the all in one bundles that have been coming out. They are to entice people to join the game without having to plop out 200 dollars all at the same exact time. They will be receiving the Kunark bundle for free now, and then will be buying Expansion 5 (I am assuming they will bundle it too) later which would have gotten them everything in the first place. It is a loss-leader situation.Now don´t go out and start calling them $OE or anything like that. We as players have benefits in the long run. With ¨millions (quoting the website)¨ being given the opportunity to come back and experience this summer of updates, there will most likely be more players. When the new expansion roles around, there may be an opportunity for more grouping situations.(FYI by calling people stupid for not agreeing with you, you are ultimately reducing the strength of your argument.)Come back for FREE or join now and enjoy the celebration!    <span style="color: #ff0000;"> *      Free Game Play Time      All inactive subscribers (in good standing) and trial EQII accounts can play at no cost until July 31, 2008.     *      Free Rise of Kunark All-In-One Pack<span style="font-size: medium;color: #ffff00;"><b> Soe ends up losing a bunch of money on this part of the deal.</b></span>      Access the latest content; keep a complimentary digital copy of this compilation version of the game when you convert to a monthly subscription plan for EQII.</span>    *      New Recruitment Trial Program      Future EQII legends that are invited will receive various rewards for their participation.    *     <span style="color: #3399ff;"> Recruitment Rewards <span style="color: #ffff33;">I am assuming anyone can participate in that.</span>      Earn up to twenty (20) months of free game play added at the end of your current subscription by recruiting friends who become EverQuest II subscribers.</span>    *      <span style="color: #33cc00;">Discount Coupons</span><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> <span style="color: #ffff00;">SOE losing more money</span></span></b><span style="color: #00cc33;">      Receive $5.00 (or local currency equivalent) off the purchase of the next EQII expansion (scheduled for release Fall 200<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /> if you convert to a monthly subscription and purchase the expansion through the Station Store by Dec. 21, 2008.    *</span>      <span style="color: #cc00ff;">Unique Bundle of In-Game Items <span style="color: #ffff00;">Trivial Items, A cloak and a bag  i think.</span>      Redeem items upon initial log in and additional items with your purchase of the upcoming new expansion.</span>    *     <span style="color: #66ccff;"> Player Events <span style="color: #ffff00;">I assume that we all participate in these too...</span>      Robust game updates offering new zones, live-events, access to new themed content from the upcoming expansion pack and in-game activities.    *      Legends of Norrath™      Free game client, starter pack pack and access to competitive prize tournaments.    *      Contests & Promotional Offers      Opportunity to participate in events to earn EQII merchandise, a free copy of the upcoming EverQuest II expansion pack, a beta invitation and in-game items. Click here for more details.<span style="color: #000000;">Pro´s: More players, lots of events, contests, chances to recruit people.Con´s: Old people feel like they get the short end of the stick; however, it is similar to buying an all in one pack in the future and getting this stuff free earlier.Overall: I applaud the SOE marketing team. Most companies only do these marketing blitzes for about a week. Hopefully it encourages many new people to start playing.</span></span></blockquote>SOE is NOT losing any money. Period. They just arent making money. These things would have never put money in thier pockets, because they are giving them to players who dont play anymore. Nice try though. SOE WILL lose money because of this promotion because people who have been paying for the game, the services like EQ2 players, and PAYING for expansions wont be anymore because we got tired of being shafted and left.

Grumble69
06-03-2008, 05:12 PM
Where did you see the 2 free months?  Is it a returning player thing?

interstellarmatter
06-03-2008, 05:14 PM
<cite>Zarador wrote:</cite><blockquote>So please, all the fan people out there, do explain why any current user without RoK still has to buy it when it's being given away as a promo with 2 months for free and more?</blockquote>Do you want me to start by explaining to you why life is fair?  Maybe we can start with the birds and the bees first...

bryldan
06-03-2008, 05:16 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>bryldan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm sure you'll fit right in.  EQ2 lost a lot of players after launch because it wasn't ready to be released.  The people that they will be most successful with is the people that played at launch and left because they didn't like the state of the game.  Now, since the game has changed 300% since released, they might be more likely to stay since the game is very well polished and a completely different game than it was before.  I'm sure SOE loves that you have been a devoted customer, but they have given you tons of free content throughout the years and all you can do is complain that you aren't getting those stupid fluff objects.  That makes me lol.</blockquote>Tell me what they have given me for free? 15$ a month and 40$ a year is what i pay(o and cannot forget the few mini xpacs also). I could easily play another game for that and to top it off they offer more and they do not slap ya in the face like a red-headed step-child. So ya i am paying for them to patch this bug ridden game and to keep me occupied but ill be danged to pay them to treat me like dirt.So tell me what free content have they given us???? Have they given me any free expansion? NOPE have they given me two free months??? NOPE  have they racked up a long list of things to give me for being loyal. I guess you could say yes with the vet rewards but guess what if i quit for 10 years and log back on i will still have them!!!!!</blockquote>The free content I am talking about is all of the live events that have taken place, the new zones, quests, starting city, etc that have been added without you having to pay more for them.  Sure, the new players also have access to this, but you act as if SOE doesn't give anything back to the community.</blockquote>The [Removed for Content] am i paying 15$ a month for?? That is what that is paying for. I could easily go play diablo for 1 store bought game of 10$ and play when I liked with no new content being added but every once in a very great while. The fact remains the 15$ a month is what is paying for all that so TRY AGAIN

branvil
06-03-2008, 05:19 PM
<p>All this promo tells me as a long time customer is to not buy the next expansion and wait six months and they will have the lag fixed and I can get it for free. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

Tel
06-03-2008, 05:21 PM
<cite>bryldan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>bryldan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm sure you'll fit right in.  EQ2 lost a lot of players after launch because it wasn't ready to be released.  The people that they will be most successful with is the people that played at launch and left because they didn't like the state of the game.  Now, since the game has changed 300% since released, they might be more likely to stay since the game is very well polished and a completely different game than it was before.  I'm sure SOE loves that you have been a devoted customer, but they have given you tons of free content throughout the years and all you can do is complain that you aren't getting those stupid fluff objects.  That makes me lol.</blockquote>Tell me what they have given me for free? 15$ a month and 40$ a year is what i pay(o and cannot forget the few mini xpacs also). I could easily play another game for that and to top it off they offer more and they do not slap ya in the face like a red-headed step-child. So ya i am paying for them to patch this bug ridden game and to keep me occupied but ill be danged to pay them to treat me like dirt.So tell me what free content have they given us???? Have they given me any free expansion? NOPE have they given me two free months??? NOPE  have they racked up a long list of things to give me for being loyal. I guess you could say yes with the vet rewards but guess what if i quit for 10 years and log back on i will still have them!!!!!</blockquote>The free content I am talking about is all of the live events that have taken place, the new zones, quests, starting city, etc that have been added without you having to pay more for them.  Sure, the new players also have access to this, but you act as if SOE doesn't give anything back to the community.</blockquote>The [I cannot control my vocabulary] am i paying 15$ a month for?? That is what that is paying for. I could easily go play diablo for 1 store bought game of 10$ and play when I liked with no new content being added but every once in a very great while. The fact remains the 15$ a month is what is paying for all that so TRY AGAIN</blockquote><span style="color: #0066cc;">Actually, the monthly fee is for hardware upkeep, maintenance, salaries, etc.  I'd be willing to wager that very little of subscription fees go into R&D, in the video game industry (most of the time) R&D money is a loss where companies hope to recoup it with box sales of what ever they were researching and developing.</span>

bryldan
06-03-2008, 05:21 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>All this promo tells me as a long time customer is to not buy the next expansion and wait six months and they will have the lag fixed and I can get it for free. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote>exactly!!!

Vidden
06-03-2008, 05:25 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>All this promo tells me as a long time customer is to not buy the next expansion and wait six months and they will have the lag fixed and I can get it for free. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote>Dont forget to cancel your account so they will bribe you to come back, while screwing everyone who stayed and payed for the expansion.

Miroh
06-03-2008, 05:25 PM
<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=419649" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=419649</a>

Tel
06-03-2008, 05:26 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>All this promo tells me as a long time customer is to not buy the next expansion and wait six months and they will have the lag fixed and I can get it for free. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote><span style="color: #0066cc;">Maybe I'm a little different here, but I, personally, look forward to <i><b>PAYING</b></i> for the next expansion, because that money helps SOE keep the game that I (and you) <i>choose</i> to pay for up and running.If we all took the "cheap skate" way of not getting an expansion before it was free, why would they even consider giving us a new expansion?  At that point the game is "dead", why not just work on EQ3 instead?</span>

Spyderbite
06-03-2008, 05:28 PM
<cite>Luier wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>No wonder the download is so long</p></blockquote>A fresh install on a newly OS has never taken me longer than 2.5 hours. I'm still not sure how I managed to get the best internet connection in the world for just the price of basic cable. Go figure.

branvil
06-03-2008, 05:31 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>All this promo tells me as a long time customer is to not buy the next expansion and wait six months and they will have the lag fixed and I can get it for free. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote><span style="color: #0066cc;">Maybe I'm a little different here, but I, personally, look forward to <i><b>PAYING</b></i> for the next expansion, because that money helps SOE keep the game that I (and you) <i>choose</i> to pay for up and running.If we all took the "cheap skate" way of not getting an expansion before it was free, why would they even consider giving us a new expansion?  At that point the game is "dead", why not just work on EQ3 instead?</span></blockquote>I don't know about you Graknor as your creation date shows 2007 but I've bought every expansion pack seperately not the EOF all in one package so I guess I feel entitled to taking the "cheap skate" way out on the next one<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Razlath
06-03-2008, 05:32 PM
<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zarador wrote:</cite><blockquote>So please, all the fan people out there, do explain why any current user without RoK still has to buy it when it's being given away as a promo with 2 months for free and more?</blockquote>Do you want me to start by explaining to you why life is fair?  Maybe we can start with the birds and the bees first...</blockquote><p>Just because life isn't fair in general doesn't mean you have to go out of your way to make things continue to be unfair.  If this argument were used in general the world would be a much crappier place with more racism, hate, and bigotry than we have today.</p><p>When the solution is so simple, and doesn't cost the implementer anything, why hide behind a life isn't fair argument?  Bigger changes have been made that cost people a lot more in an effort to make the world a better place.  Why not take the same steps when they are free to make our game community a better place?  Lets get these people back in the game with absolutely no resentment.</p><p>Heck you really want to help the new player and make them feel like part of the game?  Find some way to give an incentive that actually encourages the current community to play with them.  No, I don't know what that would be, but something like a new server like the old Stromm server (flagged as newbie friendly) comes to mind.  Everyone starting off even, forming guilds together, grouping, cracking content for the first time on an even footing instead of with 4 lvl 80s mentored to lvl 20 pulling whole zones at once.  If that isn't feasible or realistic, make something that applies to new characters created within the next two months from existing accounts, or some kind of bonus tied to mentoring people.  Just a few ideas off the top of my head that would go a lot farther towards making new players feel welcome than giving them something current players can't ever obtain and breeding resentment.  And I have news, if I signed up now, and found out that SoE handed out new things to new players and not to old players I would immediately look for a different game (once my 2 free months were up).</p>

bryldan
06-03-2008, 05:36 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>All this promo tells me as a long time customer is to not buy the next expansion and wait six months and they will have the lag fixed and I can get it for free. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote><span style="color: #0066cc;">Maybe I'm a little different here, but I, personally, look forward to <i><b>PAYING</b></i> for the next expansion, because that money helps SOE keep the game that I (and you) <i>choose</i> to pay for up and running.If we all took the "cheap skate" way of not getting an expansion before it was free, why would they even consider giving us a new expansion?  At that point the game is "dead", why not just work on EQ3 instead?</span></blockquote>I don't know about you Graknor as your creation date shows 2007 but I've bought every expansion pack seperately not the EOF all in one package so I guess I feel entitled to taking the "cheap skate" way out on the next one<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>ya no kidding......