What are you rangers pulling for instance dps at 80?

[RaunII]

<p>ok...still slowly leveling up my ranger and swashy, still cant decide what i like. my swashy is nearing level 80, and he is pulling 1700-2000 zone wide dps numbers for instances in ROK(2k is if he has dirge power).</p><p>so, my question is, what are you guys running for dps in average groups with semi decent gear(legendary)...now keep in mind i want your ZONE WIDE dps averages, not the "i hit 6k on one named fight in perfect circumstances"...im trying to figure out whats gonna pull more dps in average gear and in average circumstances, because my guild needs both swashys and rangers, i would like to figure out what i want to get raid geared up.</p><p>thanks for any replies that i may get  <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Ranja]

<cite>Ruen@Blackburrow wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>ok...still slowly leveling up my ranger and swashy, still cant decide what i like. my swashy is nearing level 80, and he is pulling 1700-2000 zone wide dps numbers for instances in ROK(2k is if he has dirge power).</p><p>so, my question is, what are you guys running for dps in average groups with semi decent gear(legendary)...now keep in mind i want your ZONE WIDE dps averages, not the "i hit 6k on one named fight in perfect circumstances"...im trying to figure out whats gonna pull more dps in average gear and in average circumstances, because my guild needs both swashys and rangers, i would like to figure out what i want to get raid geared up.</p><p>thanks for any replies that i may get  <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote>Well if you plan on raiding asking what they do in groups is not going to be the thing. In a raid, a swashie is more needed because of their debuffs and they can do almost equal if not equal DPS. Plus, a ranger is very dependent on their bow and with the arrow mecahnics this means that they best bows in the game are you t7 fabled uber bows - RSB and SDL. Keep in mind that a swashie will be way easier and quicker to gear up as well.I use the RSB and I am averaging on zw's in t1 raid zones anywhere between 3.5k - 4k depending on the particular zone. If you really want uber dps, mages rule in this expansion.

[EQ2Magroo]

I'm generally getting around the 1.5k mark as a ZW in instances. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />A lot depends on who's in the group, and if I get any buffs from the group or not. With some buffs I can get a few hundred DPS higher, but still a way off 2k.I have an average T7 bow, Recurved Heartstinger which has a max AA hit of about 2k (uncritted). My AA damage is overall about 45% of total DPS, so say about 650 DPS. With a decent T7 bow with 800+ damage, e.g. RSB, I'd expect to double that, so would be hitting about 2k zonewide I'd guess even in pick up group with little useful buffs.Overall, my DPS is pretty much what I was getting at level 70. That's not much of a suprise as my main weapon hasn't changed, and that T8 AD3s are no better really than my T7 M1s. Sure I have a much higher crit value now, but my bow severely limits my AA values anyway so crits won't suddenly make me uber.Having said all that, I'm always 1st or 2nd on the parse in groups so I don't mind. Of course, I'm working quite hard to get that, and I expect the wizzy that beats me is just spamming his nuke button <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[RaunII]

<p>while i will be raiding, i am not worried about the raid parse, i wont be able to hit the numbers others can pull, plus we are only raiding 3 nights a week. i want a well rounded character, which means, i want to be usefull and pull good dps in groups too. raid wide i know rangers can come close to the top of the parse, IF their bow and gear are good...niether will be a option for me probably, i have bad luck with gear drops and winning good stuff on my ranger.</p><p>I dont need to be the top of every single parse, or i would be working on a caster for this current expansion. i just want consistently high dps numbers.</p><p>my thought is this, my swashy can transfer hate, debuff, and mez. my ranger gives a group run speed buff (weee) so, the numbers on the ranger have got to be good for me to really decide to make him my main. if he isnt going to be close to the top of the parse in instances, there is no reason for him to be invited to a group really.</p><p>i guess i am just wondering if i get my ranger to 80 and a decent bow if he will be sought after for groups and raids.</p>

[BigChiefJJ]

<p>If you get a ranger to 80 you will need better than decent gear (gear that maximizes your ranged crits, attack speed and dps) and a decent bow will get you middle of the parse usually.  You will need a high end fabled bow in order to get near the same damage as a legendary equipped swashy.  The problem that I've seen with the RoK bows so far is that they are tradeoffs - either you loose stats, damage, or proc, and anything higher than lvl 70 suffers a penalty to max damage due to arrow mechanics. </p><p>With that said, I know a bunch of rangers that have had  much better success stories soloing through RoK than swashys since the mobs do hit so hard and rangers are able to keep the mobs at a distance most of the time.</p>

[EQ2Magroo]

<cite>Wodreaux@Nektulos wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>With that said, I know a bunch of rangers that have had  much better success stories soloing through RoK than swashys since the mobs do hit so hard and rangers are able to keep the mobs at a distance most of the time.</p></blockquote>Apart from the recently fixed General V'Deers, there's pretty much no solo/heroic mob I can't kill as a Ranger. Stun and snare are the key, and Raincaller help a lot up to about 75.There's no way I can face doing all that RoK solo content again on my Guardian though, I think I'm just going to leave her at level 70.

[lilmohi]

My wife plays a swashy and i a ranger. Her ZW dps in a single group with equivalent gear is roughly double mine. Plus she debuffs and agro transfers.  Bonus: She uses mana tap poisons and frequently stays deffensive.  Admitedly my aa's are speced for solo'ing so i know i could do better, but if you are looking for a well rounded dps class don't even look at rangers.

[HezakiaIsh]

<cite>lilmohi wrote:</cite><blockquote>My wife plays a swashy and i a ranger. Her ZW dps in a single group with equivalent gear is roughly double mine. Plus she debuffs and agro transfers.  Bonus: She uses mana tap poisons and frequently stays deffensive.  Admitedly my aa's are speced for solo'ing so i know i could do better, but if you are looking for a well rounded dps class don't even look at rangers.</blockquote>thats because MOST rangers have no clue how to actually play one. All you have to do is inspect them / ask how there AA's are set up and you will no why most people hate rangers.

[Ranja]

<cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>lilmohi wrote:</cite><blockquote>My wife plays a swashy and i a ranger. Her ZW dps in a single group with equivalent gear is roughly double mine. Plus she debuffs and agro transfers.  Bonus: She uses mana tap poisons and frequently stays deffensive.  Admitedly my aa's are speced for solo'ing so i know i could do better, but if you are looking for a well rounded dps class don't even look at rangers.</blockquote>thats because MOST rangers have no clue how to actually play one. All you have to do is inspect them / ask how there AA's are set up and you will no why most people hate rangers. </blockquote>This is completely true. I cannot count how many times I have inspected a ranger and seen his agility 3x what is strength is. Or they have spec befriend animal, sta and wisdom and dont know why they cant do any DPS. Or they melee the whole time in fights. The ranger is a hard class to play optimally. You admitted yourself you are not spec'd for DPS. Of course a swashie will beat you.

[HezakiaIsh]

<cite>Ranja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>lilmohi wrote:</cite><blockquote>My wife plays a swashy and i a ranger. Her ZW dps in a single group with equivalent gear is roughly double mine. Plus she debuffs and agro transfers.  Bonus: She uses mana tap poisons and frequently stays deffensive.  Admitedly my aa's are speced for solo'ing so i know i could do better, but if you are looking for a well rounded dps class don't even look at rangers.</blockquote>thats because MOST rangers have no clue how to actually play one. All you have to do is inspect them / ask how there AA's are set up and you will no why most people hate rangers. </blockquote>This is completely true. I cannot count how many times I have inspected a ranger and seen his agility 3x what is strength is. Or they have spec befriend animal, sta and wisdom and dont know why they cant do any DPS. Or they melee the whole time in fights. The ranger is a hard class to play optimally. You admitted yourself you are not spec'd for DPS. Of course a swashie will beat you.</blockquote>Can we please get this through every rangers head AGI IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT! And if you want to melle betray to [Removed for Content]/ roll a brig or swash. Rangers have a hard enough time as it is, we dont need even more faction hits with the EQ community.

[Cliff Browning]

<p>This discussion is one of the best I've found for maxing ranger dps.</p><p>The rangers I know are all complaining about the crappy dps they get.</p><p>For myself when I made the my ranger I figured that since agi was where he gets his power from and being a scout class that agi must be the stat I need to move up. So, sadly I'm one of those rangers that have huge amount of agi and am low in str, sta, and really low int and wis. And, as alot of ranger I was bemoaning my dps and scratching my head why a swashy or other scout types were doing double my dps and why even why some rangers were way ahead of me in dsp scores. So I started inspecting other rangers that were out dpsing me and looking up everything I could find. The only difference I could really find was that the other had more str than me. At least that's the one that stood out and caught my eye. </p><p>So my question is how do I get my dps up? What stats do I have to move up? Str, int, or wis. Seems to me str is the one.  </p><p>I do tank for my wife's warden a lot, so I need to be able to tank for her, but still I'd really like to be able to be an asset in a group or raid. Right now if I was picking someone for my group or raid I'd pick someone else. </p><p> Tiggger on blackburrow server</p>

[lilmohi]

<cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ranja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>lilmohi wrote:</cite><blockquote>My wife plays a swashy and i a ranger. Her ZW dps in a single group with equivalent gear is roughly double mine. Plus she debuffs and agro transfers.  Bonus: She uses mana tap poisons and frequently stays deffensive.  Admitedly my aa's are speced for solo'ing so i know i could do better, but if you are looking for a well rounded dps class don't even look at rangers.</blockquote>thats because MOST rangers have no clue how to actually play one. All you have to do is inspect them / ask how there AA's are set up and you will no why most people hate rangers. </blockquote>This is completely true. I cannot count how many times I have inspected a ranger and seen his agility 3x what is strength is. Or they have spec befriend animal, sta and wisdom and dont know why they cant do any DPS. Or they melee the whole time in fights. The ranger is a hard class to play optimally. You admitted yourself you are not spec'd for DPS. Of course a swashie will beat you.</blockquote>Can we please get this through every rangers head AGI IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT! And if you want to melle betray to [I cannot control my vocabulary]/ roll a brig or swash. Rangers have a hard enough time as it is, we dont need even more faction hits with the EQ community. </blockquote><p>I'm sorry to have insulted the high and mighty here, but not every ranger has to raid.  I and i'm sure many other rangers spend the vast majority of their time soloing so speccing out for max dps isn't ideal.  But it doesn't change the fact that swashies are much more well rounded than rangers are.  A solo specced swashie can join a group and probably nobody will notice the difference from a raid specced swashy (asssuming relatively equal gear).  However with rangers unless they are in the optimum gear/aa/poisons/positioning they quickly drop off while our rogue brethren will only see a marginal drop off.</p><p>And of course i know AGI isn't as important as STR, but unfortunately not all the developers have figured that out and especially at lower levels it can be really hard not to have a higher AGI.</p>

[HezakiaIsh]

<cite>lilmohi wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ranja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>lilmohi wrote:</cite><blockquote>My wife plays a swashy and i a ranger. Her ZW dps in a single group with equivalent gear is roughly double mine. Plus she debuffs and agro transfers.  Bonus: She uses mana tap poisons and frequently stays deffensive.  Admitedly my aa's are speced for solo'ing so i know i could do better, but if you are looking for a well rounded dps class don't even look at rangers.</blockquote>thats because MOST rangers have no clue how to actually play one. All you have to do is inspect them / ask how there AA's are set up and you will no why most people hate rangers. </blockquote>This is completely true. I cannot count how many times I have inspected a ranger and seen his agility 3x what is strength is. Or they have spec befriend animal, sta and wisdom and dont know why they cant do any DPS. Or they melee the whole time in fights. The ranger is a hard class to play optimally. You admitted yourself you are not spec'd for DPS. Of course a swashie will beat you.</blockquote>Can we please get this through every rangers head AGI IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT! And if you want to melle betray to [I cannot control my vocabulary]/ roll a brig or swash. Rangers have a hard enough time as it is, we dont need even more faction hits with the EQ community. </blockquote><p>I'm sorry to have insulted the high and mighty here, but not every ranger has to raid.  I and i'm sure many other rangers spend the vast majority of their time soloing so speccing out for max dps isn't ideal.  But it doesn't change the fact that swashies are much more well rounded than rangers are.  A solo specced swashie can join a group and probably nobody will notice the difference from a raid specced swashy (asssuming relatively equal gear).  However with rangers unless they are in the optimum gear/aa/poisons/positioning they quickly drop off while our rogue brethren will only see a marginal drop off.</p><p>And of course i know AGI isn't as important as STR, but unfortunately not all the developers have figured that out and especially at lower levels it can be really hard not to have a higher AGI.</p></blockquote>I never Said anything about rangers Having to raid, most who are solo specced dont and for a reason.  I am straight DPS through all my AA's.....i have no problems soloing what so ever. I kill Megalodon's punk [I cannot control my vocabulary] for fun every chance i get and he is cake. I really dont understand why you would need to be solo specced when rangers already OWN at soloing. If you have trouble soloing in ROK chances are you need to roll another toon, not bein a jerk its the truth ROK is cake to solo. 

[EQ2Magroo]

<cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I never Said anything about rangers Having to raid, most who are solo specced dont and for a reason.  I am straight DPS through all my AA's.....i have no problems soloing what so ever. I kill Megalodon's punk [I cannot control my vocabulary] for fun every chance i get and he is cake. I really dont understand why you would need to be solo specced when rangers already OWN at soloing. If you have trouble soloing in ROK chances are you need to roll another toon, not bein a jerk its the truth ROK is cake to solo.  </blockquote>Not sure I would have quite put it like that, but yeah, you're right.As far as a level 80 Ranger goes, there's only really one spec that's worth doing and that's max DPS. You can solo perfectly fine with this spec, so why bother trying to spec a max-STA in an attempt to live longer ?If you can stun it and kill it before it gets to you, you only need 1 HP.

[Giland]

Where are folks putting their extra 20 points in the predator tree?

[EQ2Magroo]

<cite>Giland@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where are folks putting their extra 20 points in the predator tree? </blockquote>My AA spec is as follows:STR 4/4/6/8/1AGI 4/4/7/8/1INT 4/4/4/8Caustic Poison (5), Fettering Posion (5), Ancillary Poison (5)Snare (5), Roped Shot (5), Killing Instinct (5), Dance of Trees (3), Focus Fire (5), Honed Reflexes (5)Searing Shot (5), Selection (5), Triple Burst (5), Shower of Arrows (5)Conservation, Extension & Double Arrow end-line skillsStill have a few more AAs to get, and will probably put those into Dance of Trees and Lunge skills.

[Ranja]

<cite>Adeyia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Giland@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where are folks putting their extra 20 points in the predator tree? </blockquote>My AA spec is as follows:STR 4/4/6/8/1AGI 4/4/7/8/1INT 4/4/4/8Caustic Poison (5), Fettering Posion (5), Ancillary Poison (5)Snare (5), Roped Shot (5), Killing Instinct (5), Dance of Trees (3), Focus Fire (5), Honed Reflexes (5)Searing Shot (5), Selection (5), Triple Burst (5), Shower of Arrows (5)Conservation, Extension & Double Arrow end-line skillsStill have a few more AAs to get, and will probably put those into Dance of Trees and Lunge skills.</blockquote>You might want to head over to eq2flames.com and read the thread regarding perfectionist vs. intoxication. After alot of research and testing, Intox was given the nod over perfectionist. I went:STR 4/4/4/8/AGI 4/8/4/8/1INT 8/4/4/8/1

[fltengineer]

<cite>Ranja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Adeyia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Giland@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where are folks putting their extra 20 points in the predator tree? </blockquote>My AA spec is as follows:STR 4/4/6/8/1AGI 4/4/7/8/1INT 4/4/4/8Caustic Poison (5), Fettering Posion (5), Ancillary Poison (5)Snare (5), Roped Shot (5), Killing Instinct (5), Dance of Trees (3), Focus Fire (5), Honed Reflexes (5)Searing Shot (5), Selection (5), Triple Burst (5), Shower of Arrows (5)Conservation, Extension & Double Arrow end-line skillsStill have a few more AAs to get, and will probably put those into Dance of Trees and Lunge skills.</blockquote>You might want to head over to eq2flames.com and read the thread regarding perfectionist vs. intoxication. After alot of research and testing, Intox was given the nod over perfectionist. I went:STR 4/4/4/8/AGI 4/8/4/8/1INT 8/4/4/8/1</blockquote>So you put 71 points into the Pred tree?  

[EQ2Magroo]

<cite>Adeyia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>My AA spec is as follows:STR 4/4/6/8/1AGI 4/4/7/8/1INT 4/4/4/8Caustic Poison (5), Fettering Posion (5), Ancillary Poison (5)Snare (5), Roped Shot (5), Killing Instinct (5), Dance of Trees (3), Focus Fire (5), Honed Reflexes (5)Searing Shot (5), Selection (5), Triple Burst (5), Shower of Arrows (5)Conservation, Extension & Double Arrow end-line skillsStill have a few more AAs to get, and will probably put those into Dance of Trees and Lunge skills.</blockquote>Actually, after saying there's no difference between a solo and DPS spec, I've just realised that actually my spec is very solo friendly <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />I have increased my in-combat run speed in the AGI line so I can kite easier, and have also put a bunch of AA into increasing my Parry skill to stop me taking as many hits.I did play around with taking the final INT line skill, but I hardly ever melee in raids and I always forgot to keep the skill up when I did have it. My play style seems to benefit more from the faster recharge on Shower of Arrows and Sniper Shot, although your mileage may vary.

[HezakiaIsh]

<cite>Adeyia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Adeyia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>My AA spec is as follows:STR 4/4/6/8/1AGI 4/4/7/8/1INT 4/4/4/8Caustic Poison (5), Fettering Posion (5), Ancillary Poison (5)Snare (5), Roped Shot (5), Killing Instinct (5), Dance of Trees (3), Focus Fire (5), Honed Reflexes (5)Searing Shot (5), Selection (5), Triple Burst (5), Shower of Arrows (5)Conservation, Extension & Double Arrow end-line skillsStill have a few more AAs to get, and will probably put those into Dance of Trees and Lunge skills.</blockquote>Actually, after saying there's no difference between a solo and DPS spec, I've just realised that actually my spec is very solo friendly <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />I have increased my in-combat run speed in the AGI line so I can kite easier, and have also put a bunch of AA into increasing my Parry skill to stop me taking as many hits.I did play around with taking the final INT line skill, but I hardly ever melee in raids and I always forgot to keep the skill up when I did have it. My play style seems to benefit more from the faster recharge on Shower of Arrows and Sniper Shot, although your mileage may vary.</blockquote>theres no diffrence between solo and dps spec rangers?? Umm since when? and what game are you playing.

[Ranja]

<cite>fltengineer wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ranja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Adeyia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Giland@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where are folks putting their extra 20 points in the predator tree? </blockquote>My AA spec is as follows:STR 4/4/6/8/1AGI 4/4/7/8/1INT 4/4/4/8Caustic Poison (5), Fettering Posion (5), Ancillary Poison (5)Snare (5), Roped Shot (5), Killing Instinct (5), Dance of Trees (3), Focus Fire (5), Honed Reflexes (5)Searing Shot (5), Selection (5), Triple Burst (5), Shower of Arrows (5)Conservation, Extension & Double Arrow end-line skillsStill have a few more AAs to get, and will probably put those into Dance of Trees and Lunge skills.</blockquote>You might want to head over to eq2flames.com and read the thread regarding perfectionist vs. intoxication. After alot of research and testing, Intox was given the nod over perfectionist. I went:STR 4/4/4/8/AGI 4/8/4/8/1INT <b>7</b>/4/4/8/1</blockquote>So you put 71 points into the Pred tree?   </blockquote>so my math is off. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I corrected it for you.

[BigChiefJJ]

<cite>Adeyia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Adeyia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><b>I did play around with taking the final INT line skill, but I hardly ever melee in raids and I always forgot to keep the skill up when I did have it. </b>My play style seems to benefit more from the faster recharge on Shower of Arrows and Sniper Shot, although your mileage may vary.</blockquote><p>Intox now procs from your ranged attacks as well as melee attacks - this was changed about the time RoK came out.  I don't think it was ever mentioned in notes - but I noticed doing CoA runs that intox would go off on my first attack regardless of if it was ranged or melee.</p>

[EQ2Magroo]

<cite>Hezakia@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>theres no diffrence between solo and dps spec rangers?? Umm since when? and what game are you playing. </blockquote>Well that was sort of my point. Why [Removed for Content] yourself with a non DPS spec for solo play, when you can just use the DPS spec and burn the mob down before it even gets to you ?Maybe at lower levels it's worth having a solo spec, but for RoK it's just a case of root/stun/burn mob down & rinse/repeat.