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Dibs
01-13-2008, 10:56 PM
<p>Im Done, thanks for having me SoE!!!</p><p>Ive played eq2 since the launch of DoF, and took a break just before launch of KoS due to repetative raiding then instance runs.</p><p>I came back for the pvp, which was awsome, i jumped straight on a FP dirge and kicked [Removed for Content]! Or more likely at the time got my [Removed for Content] kicked lol, fighting everthing and anything i bumped into, awsome fun at low levels! While i leveled up a warden to join my guildys at high level for quests/HQ's and such. Any high level pvp ended up in "who has more players wins", no skill, a small amout of gear quality involved, but mainly you either get whiped, or whipe someone in seconds, ive yet to see a close fight in any tier above tier 5.</p><p>After a few weeks i betrayed my character to Q side and joined 'Cannon Fodder' and quickly made some great friends, and had some of the best times in my gaming life, fighting off the evil hordes of guilds like Wargasm X, Rainbow and Univercity Of. Quite often having fights that ended in almost stail mate possitions due to both groups being out of power, good fights that were both close and fair.</p><p>My point is i regarded high level stuff as pve, and the low level stuff as pvp.. The pvp aspect has now been removed and i now find myself in the same situation as pre KoS, what do i have to look forward to? More pve... or maybe raid vrs group pvp? Or even from a pve aspect, more raiding/instance runs to gear up? Or should i take my low level characters through all the quests in every tier, avoiding (ANY PVP IS A DRAWBACK SO DONT TELL ME A LITTLE WONT MATTER) PVP all the way while i do the quests ive done before, so i can pvp in a tier i didnt enjoy the first time i tried it?</p><p>I know 'The Loud" people will cry out now saying level up and compete with us at high levels!!! However i really dont have the time, nor the patients to level a character to lvl 80 and max aa, only to find nobody "good" ever runs solo due to the lousy fame system... been there done that ;p.</p><p>EQ2 pvp, in my opinion, is now PVP for people who really like PVE, but dont like refering to themselfs as carebears.</p><p>I forsee many people saying /bye and other usefull comment, and too thoughs people i say, look around and see all the other good players who, like me played tier 7/8, and quit because tier 2/3/4 was better pvp. We must be talking thousands of players by now.</p><p>P.S Go ahead, tell me people got drednaught/general in tier 2 killing noobs over and over... ganking noobs on there recent list who really didnt want to pvp and just wanted to learn the game ;p.</p>

Psych
01-14-2008, 12:04 AM
the best PVP I've had is in gorowyn as a Q doing the quests there for the amazing gear rewards.By best I mean it seemed the most fun and balanced. I think it was because I was fighting other players using the same gear instead of twinks in mastercrafted and we were all there for quests not PVP so we were prolly all app1.We were all balanced...but also we were all low level...I'm glad they changed the exp reward for PVP thing, I like getting exp for PVP and I hated the twinks before too.But let it be clear that damage gets out of [Removed for Content] hand after tier 2.Especially on a couple classes that everyone can name and on a few moves everyone can name. No illusionist kills anyone in 5 seconds. Your seeing these wipe instantly pvp fights because your PVPing with 3 warlocks and a fury.Those classes are trash and any newb can win with them. No offense meant to the people playing them but honestly...you didnt take yourself seriously when you chose those cannons so there isnt a reason to defend them.Its the out of control damage that causes the instant speed PVP. The tiers arent the problem. Its the balance.Yes, until things are balanced only tanks are going to last more than 10 seconds in a PVP fight vs a wiz, lock, fury, etc.We all know the OP list. It matches the server population readouts exactly.Yes, damage needs scaled back and things need balanced. They need to fix the classes everyone can own with. When their are literally more than 4x the druids for every cleric, shaman, enchanter or bard you KNOW your screwing things up.Its easy. Ignore whining. Pick up nerf bat. Start swinging and dont stop until every PVP fight in all tiers lasts atleast 30 seconds.Oh and fix 1 shots. a 20 SK crits a 16 mage with HT for hundreds more life than he could ever have even with the best gear under fabled. It isnt fun to try to quest in a zone just to have some ez mode title hugger 1 shot me every 15 minutes.If things like this dont get fixed more people will leave. They dont want to level lock and they arent mad about the level locking. They are mad because without locking they have to fight 5 second fights at levels over 30.

-Arctura-
01-14-2008, 01:23 AM
(( people have been saying this kind of stuff for years ("everyone will quit, Thousands of players will quit!&quot<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />... but EQ2 still lives and still goes strong, acquiring new players every day to replace those that lose faith.see?<img src="http://gallery.photo.net/photo/1956368-lg.jpg" alt="" border="0" />   <img src="http://services.tucows.com/developers/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/the-end-is-near.jpg" alt="" border="0" /> <img src="http://www.maddogblog.com/images/weekly-world-news.jpg" alt="" border="0" />  <img src="http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/3420242.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=D278A15CF533E62CB1358A4BE789646AA55A1E4F32AD3138" alt="" border="0" /> <img src="http://www.endtimespost.org/_borders/pic%204%20horses%20of%20the%20apocolypse.jpg" alt="" border="0" />Not trying to cork up a civilized 'im leaving the game' post, but just clarifying to those who might 'get afraid that eq2 is dying'.... its been said since launch, and well... yeah <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Path
01-14-2008, 01:34 AM
lol Arctura >.< so true, and adding the posters is a nice touch

Spyderbite
01-14-2008, 01:39 AM
<img src="http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/DJSpyderBite/Humor/okkitten.jpg" alt="" border="0" />or....<img src="http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/DJSpyderBite/Humor/numbers2.jpg" alt="" border="0" />Either way.. good luck in your next gaming venture.. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Sightless
01-14-2008, 11:04 AM
<p>When there are kill vs death ratios of 300-1 in T2, there needs to be a change. People saying they want a challenge, yet have kill vs death ratios like this are not being honest.</p><p>I wanted to stay at 59 forever on my Warlock, but can't. So instead I'm pushing to level 80. /shrug</p>

Swede
01-14-2008, 11:35 AM
<p>What i find most boring is that if i like one zone...for ex. EL, i love that zone, hiding among trees, waiting for the right prey to show up...and a fast kill then hide again....</p><p>Now im climbing to 80 and can never pvp in EL again cause there will never show up any one around that lvl<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>One more thing that i find boring is, i like to play different chars and wants to make them as good as possible but cant do that either now since i get to much xp from killing. Add to this always try to have best gear i can get, will cost me alot and i cant afford it. Max aa is not a chance either cause then i cant pvp if i want max aa...</p><p>This is how i feel about it.</p>

Skywarrior
01-14-2008, 12:11 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>EQ2 pvp, in my opinion, is now PVP for people who really like PVE, but dont like refering to themselfs as carebears.</p></blockquote><p>I'm fairly sure that this has pretty much been the case since PvP was introduced.  EQ2 is a PvE game so the vast majority of players who even consider it are going to be interested in PvE first.  There are always exceptions, of course, but in this case the exceptions are the ones most likely to be sorely disappointed.  PvP is a tacked on feature of the game, not the focus.  Never has been, likely will never be.  </p><p>And for the record, noone really likes being referred to as carebears.  Why is it that as soon as someone looks a little different or disagrees with another's opinion on a topic that they get labeled with some derogatory tag?  Are gamers (PvP players in this case) so intolerant or insecure that they cannot handle a bit of opposition without contempt?</p><p>In any case, yeah, EQ2 is not a PvP game.  As Flaye pointed out recently on these forums, "If I want PvP, I'll play a REAL PvP game, on REAL PvP servers, & do it for FREE."</p>

Tae
01-14-2008, 10:15 PM
<cite>Sightless wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>When there are kill vs death ratios of 300-1 in T2, there needs to be a change. People saying they want a challenge, yet have kill vs death ratios like this are not being honest.</p></blockquote>When the best kill versus death ratios are coming from level 8 characters, when there's people with killstreaks of 1500 at level 40 and other insane stuff, you really can't say the only "skilled PvP" is at low tiers. I've had tons of fights in T7 and T8 where it's come down to who has the most power, or who's healers are the best. It's not the game's fault that you're fighting people who are either MUCH better than you are or who are MUCH worse. Most classes don't even get half of their abilities until they're at least level 60.

HerbertWalker
01-14-2008, 11:40 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's not the game's fault that you're fighting people who are either MUCH better than you are or who are MUCH worse.Most classes don't even get half of their abilities until they're at least level 60.</blockquote>The game promoted such behavior for a very long time, so yes, I blame it over the mammal competing within it.

Armawk
01-15-2008, 02:19 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite> <blockquote><p>My point is i regarded high level stuff as pve, and the low level stuff as pvp.. </p></blockquote>But that is clearly not the intention of the game, nor what  most players would want or expect, so if you would only stay if thats what you got then you are in too small a minority and the game isnt ever going to be intentionally tailored to you.

Sightless
01-15-2008, 03:55 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sightless wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>When there are kill vs death ratios of 300-1 in T2, there needs to be a change. People saying they want a challenge, yet have kill vs death ratios like this are not being honest.</p></blockquote>When the best kill versus death ratios are coming from level 8 characters, when there's people with killstreaks of 1500 at level 40 and other insane stuff, you really can't say the only "skilled PvP" is at low tiers.I've had tons of fights in T7 and T8 where it's come down to who has the most power, or who's healers are the best. It's not the game's fault that you're fighting people who are either MUCH better than you are or who are MUCH worse.Most classes don't even get half of their abilities until they're at least level 60.</blockquote>I never mentioned anything about skilled PvP. Nor did I say that I couldn't compete. /chuckles

skidmark
01-15-2008, 01:24 PM
We all know they aren't going to change it. My thing is, you get way too much xp per PvP kill in Tier 2. This game is so [email protected] easy to level up in I actually have started to hate my dings. Decrease xp rewards from PvP and give an option to either disable quest xp, or at least halve it.

Dibs
01-16-2008, 11:13 AM
<p><cite></cite></p><p><cite>Trust me i didnt create this thred assuming SOE would realise there mistake and change the game back <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></cite></p><p><cite>-Arctura- wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>(( people have been saying this kind of stuff for years ("everyone will quit, Thousands of players will quit!"<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />... but EQ2 still lives and still goes strong, acquiring new players every day to replace those that lose faith.see?<img src="http://gallery.photo.net/photo/1956368-lg.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="476" height="545" />   <img src="http://services.tucows.com/developers/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/the-end-is-near.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="264" height="400" /> <img src="http://www.maddogblog.com/images/weekly-world-news.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="183" height="232" />  <img src="http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/3420242.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=D278A15CF533E62CB1358A4BE789646AA55A1E4F32AD3138" border="0" alt="" width="28" height="30" /> <img src="http://www.endtimespost.org/_borders/pic%204%20horses%20of%20the%20apocolypse.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="500" height="334" />Not trying to cork up a civilized 'im leaving the game' post, but just clarifying to those who might 'get afraid that eq2 is dying'.... its been said since launch, and well... yeah <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>Please don't take any offence to this as i appreciate everyone being civil in this thred so far!</p><p>But i have to say i find peoples overconfidence in EQ2 laughable for 3 reasons....</p><p>1) No matter what your opinion on level locking, good or bad, its a fact that thousands of players have already left the game, and this is after the game has already resorted to server merges within PVP.</p><p>2) Have you ever tried to purchace EQ2, recently, In a box from a store? Its close to impossible, you'll be confronted by thousands of wow posters and expansion packs but no EQ2.</p><p>3) All these new players who will be rushing in to replace players like me, i hope your going to tell them about EQ2 because there's no advertising at all in any form... SoE wont even buy a 10 second TV add, they could pop in in the add break just after Mr T has spent 10 mins convincing us all that WOW is great lol.</p><p>The fact of the matter is, if SOE had huge numbers of new players coming in, invested anywhere near the money in advertising WOW has, and 'IF' removing level locking had been the revolutionary fix to new players leaving a few players claimed it would be, I would accept it was a good thing. I dont see all these new players tho! i keep looking out for em but there nowhere to be seen!</p><p>I understand your point Arctura, people (you think people like me ;p) do tend to exagerate and say the game will die!! Which isnt going to happen. But if a change was mentioned, that would cheer up 75% of the population, but make 25% quit, i still (with no new players coming in) see that as a bad thing.... If something iritates me i dont want it changing if someone will quit because of it.</p><p>And to look at things from both angles there are still people (i think people like you ;p) in the EQ1 forums saying its all going great, everythings on the up and new players are joining every day.... yawn. I guess it comes down to what kind of population you expect from a game.</p><p>PS I posted this in respoce to Arctura, im not trying to turn this into a level locking thred, nore a slag off soe thred, though i needed to point out some of there flaws to get my point across. </p>

Bloodfa
01-16-2008, 12:25 PM
Just want to point out, whenever I log onto my lowbie SK in Gorrowyn, I have to choose between instance 1 or 2.  With how fast players level up, even factoring in old players rolling new alts, I don't believe any of the starting zones were like that for more than 3 weeks after a new T1-T2 zone, or new race, was brought in.  There's new blood coming into the servers.  Not a flood, but it's there.

-Arctura-
01-16-2008, 05:08 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><cite></cite></p><p><cite>Trust me i didnt create this thred assuming SOE would realise there mistake and change the game back <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></cite></p><p><cite>-Arctura- wrote:</cite></p>Please don't take any offence to this as i appreciate everyone being civil in this thred so far!<p>But i have to say i find peoples overconfidence in EQ2 laughable for 3 reasons....</p><p>1) No matter what your opinion on level locking, good or bad, its a fact that thousands of players have already left the game, and this is after the game has already resorted to server merges within PVP.</p><p>2) Have you ever tried to purchace EQ2, recently, In a box from a store? Its close to impossible, you'll be confronted by thousands of wow posters and expansion packs but no EQ2.</p><p>3) All these new players who will be rushing in to replace players like me, i hope your going to tell them about EQ2 because there's no advertising at all in any form... SoE wont even buy a 10 second TV add, they could pop in in the add break just after Mr T has spent 10 mins convincing us all that WOW is great lol.</p><p>The fact of the matter is, if SOE had huge numbers of new players coming in, invested anywhere near the money in advertising WOW has, and 'IF' removing level locking had been the revolutionary fix to new players leaving a few players claimed it would be, I would accept it was a good thing. I dont see all these new players tho! i keep looking out for em but there nowhere to be seen!</p><p>I understand your point Arctura, people (you think people like me ;p) do tend to exagerate and say the game will die!! Which isnt going to happen. But if a change was mentioned, that would cheer up 75% of the population, but make 25% quit, i still (with no new players coming in) see that as a bad thing.... If something iritates me i dont want it changing if someone will quit because of it.</p><p>And to look at things from both angles there are still people (i think people like you ;p) in the EQ1 forums saying its all going great, everythings on the up and new players are joining every day.... yawn. I guess it comes down to what kind of population you expect from a game.</p><p>PS I posted this in respoce to Arctura, im not trying to turn this into a level locking thred, nore a slag off soe thred, though i needed to point out some of there flaws to get my point across. </p></blockquote>(( i will agree with one thing, that EQ2 needs more ads, and yes its much more common to see WoW stuff, and have to wade through that filth at the local stores...*sighs*