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Steppa
01-12-2008, 02:10 AM
I couldn't call myself an EQ2 player by any stretch of the imagination.  When it first came out, I leveled a wizard up to 20ish, then came back after a couple of big updates and took a monk to 30 or so.Now, after hearing great things about what they've done with the game (I'm a huge fan of the new stuff), I've come back to try again and, so far, I'm hooked.I chose the pvp server simply because that's most of my MMO background.  I'm a hardcore Eve Online player and that game is pretty much ALL about the pvp.  That being said, there are also multiple and important reasons to fight other account holders in Eve.Why in EQ2?Unless I'm mistaken, and I may very well be, the only things you get out of pvp in EQ2 are xp and money.  No territory to fight over, no political side to the game universe, etc, etc.  Dark Age had a pretty good idea with pvp, although the game itself was passable at best.  Zones that were completely FFA pvp were small to large engagements can and did take place.  Can't remember the other fantasy MMO from a couple years ago, but they took it a step further and you could actually build entire towns and claim entire regions with castles, cities, etc, complete with NPC guards if none of your mates were around.So again, why pvp in EQ2?

keLston
01-12-2008, 02:33 AM
Because I want to.Why PvP in Eve? Just warp to a different planetary system to get your stuff done. Why even play Eve? It's like "playing" Microsoft Excel.

Spyderbite
01-12-2008, 03:32 AM
<cite>Steppa wrote:</cite><blockquote>Unless I'm mistaken, and I may very well be, the only things you get out of pvp in EQ2 are xp and money.  No territory to fight over, no political side to the game universe, etc, etc.</blockquote>Did you level up to 20-30 in your Inn Room? The entire point of PvP in EQ2 is Factions/Cities.I smell a troll...

BWLeeEllison
01-12-2008, 03:48 AM
<p><b><span style="font-size: small;color: #0099ff;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;">Why?  Well, why not?</span></b></p><p><b><span style="font-size: small;color: #0099ff;font-family: Comic Sans MS;">I played EQ1, and swore I would never give it up.  My RL friends moved to EQ2, and since they were about the only people I trusted enough to group with, I moved as well.  I fell in love with EQ2.  Best game ever.  Having played on Sullon Zek from the its Beta test and Day 1 live, until the day they merged all the Zeks into one, PvP was something I waited patiently for.  Why?</span></b></p><p><b><span style="font-size: small;color: #0099ff;font-family: Comic Sans MS;">I can't stand playing on a blue server.  You get on a blue server (especially in this game) and you inevitably run into the classic Carebear gank masters.  These are the guys who have spent all their time and money using and abusing everyone on the server to get all masters, the best raiding gear available, all the bells and whistles they can afford with what they can earn on their toon, and the rest probably bought from one of the bot plat sites.  They spam you with /duel and follow you around trying to get you to fight them.  Yes, you can turn off the duel invitation, but that doesn't help when the guy tries to maintain his reputation of having beat every person on the server by dueling every person he has never met before.  Sorry, that isn't hunting, that's shooting fish in a barrel.  That isn't PvP.</span></b></p><p><b><span style="font-size: small;color: #0099ff;font-family: Comic Sans MS;">World PvP.  Where you go from having just the content to deal with to having a large portion of the player base to deal with.  Where the unexpected can make the blood rush to your temples and you feel your face go flush when you are barely winning the fight and get an add by the name of Homieslice or whatever.  Where your adrenaline gland pulses green and shoots fire throughout your body because you just managed to take down a pair of yellow con players who were camping a mob you need for that next quest.  <span style="font-size: medium;">THAT</span><span style="font-size: small;"> is why mate <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  That is why.</span></span></b></p>

Spyderbite
01-12-2008, 04:01 AM
<cite>BWLeeEllison wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><b><span style="font-size: small;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;color: #0099ff;">Why?  Well, why not?</span></b></p></blockquote>Risk vs. Reward. Period.All the mobs and how to beat them are well documented.. when a new face comes along and you aren't prepared or they aren't? Its a whole new ball game. I can't imagine playing on a PvE server.. regardless if its EQ2 or any other game. I wouldn't want it any other way.

BWLeeEllison
01-12-2008, 04:12 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>BWLeeEllison wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><b><span style="font-size: small;color: #0099ff;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;">Why?  Well, why not?</span></b></p></blockquote>Risk vs. Reward. Period.All the mobs and how to beat them are well documented.. when a new face comes along and you aren't prepared or they aren't? Its a whole new ball game. I can't imagine playing on a PvE server.. regardless if its EQ2 or any other game. I wouldn't want it any other way.</blockquote><b><span style="font-size: small;color: #0099ff;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;">Exactly right <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></b>

Steppa
01-12-2008, 06:15 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>EVE sucks. No matter what anyone says, a new player will never be able to catch up with a veteran player who has had months and years to train skills. (Skills in EVE take actual RL time to train, the higher you want to train a skill it can take up to a month in RL to train that skill.) Also, EVE is just endless space, it gets monotonous after a while. <div></div><div>If people like you don't like EQ2 PvP, fine, just don't whine about it on the forums. I'd rather people just shut up and go play EVE or WoW or something else if they don't like EQ2 rather then endlessly whine on the forums.</div></blockquote>I'm very thankful that some thoughtful and intelligent people posted with intelligent answers after you left your alphabetic feces here.  Without turning this into an Eve Online defense thread, let me address a couple of what appear to be your key points.  And let's be clear.  I wasn't "whining" about anything.  I put this post up as an honest question from a newb player.There is no endgame in Eve, true, so there is no way to "catch up" to someone that's been playing for four years.  In that sense, why should a newb be able to captain a capital ship like a carrier with only a couple of months in?  Not fair to the other guy.  At least there's a sense of accomplishment when you can finally strap into that first battleship.  Unlike quest-based MMO's, there is no wealth of documentation nor class guides (because there are no classes) to hold your hand through the paces.  And, fyi, the devs have radically changed the new player orientation so that they now start the game with roughly six months of RL training ready to be allocated any way they see fit.Eve space is most definitely finite and every single system is claimed by this player-owned alliance or that.  THAT'S were the point of pvp comes in that I was alluding to.  You fight to keep what's yours or take what's his.  As as to your suggesting that people should go play Eve or WoW, insinuating that those two groups of people would even enjoy one another's MMO, shows that you truly don't understand what you're talking about.I will cede the point about the Excel, but that's only if you're into mining and playing the trade good market.  There are entire subscription-based websites dedicated to pulling down daily market data for their customers for the 5000-ish star systems.  I have never understood why they would want to play a spreadsheet and call it fun, but the world needs a lot of accountants, I suppose.  The other 95% of Eve pilots get out there and duke it out with each other or npc's regularly.My question  here was simply...is there anything to gain or loose other than xp and money in EQ2 pvp?  That was answered by others more thoughtful than yourself.So, to follow up on the city/city thing, is it just a matter of attacking someone from an enemy city?  Or, again, is there territory or such to be gained/lost?

Roald
01-12-2008, 08:21 AM
You will also earn faction, status, tokens and in some cases fame. Fame gives you titles.

Echgar
01-12-2008, 01:40 PM
I'd like to remind everyone that these forums are provided for the discussion of EverQuest II topics.  If you wish to bash other games, other companies, or each other, please take it elsewhere.  Replies need to be constructive and courteous please.

Psych
01-12-2008, 03:46 PM
Personally for me on venekor the roleplay is a big motivator for PVPThwarting evil is just the duty of a citizen of kelethin.

Ichigoo
01-12-2008, 04:43 PM
<p>Because Honestly it'd be too boring running around grinding and questing.</p><p>Also that extreamly satisfying feeling of t-bagging some puke who jumps you while you were fighting a mob and still wiping the floor with him. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>