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karnath
01-04-2008, 11:46 AM
<p>what is a twink?  </p><p>a twink is a char that has obtained gear that most people cant... </p><p>most people call others twinks just because they have gotten the best gear for there lvl .... ( but what  the best gear for one person is not the best for another). </p><p>is it not the basics of the game to get the best gear u can.? does it not improve your char to have decent gear? and is this not used on all servers pvp or pve?</p><p>i have a few chars that are well equiped. and its not hard to do.. esp at lower lvls where rares are aboundant and cheap... i have not done anything that anyone else cant do.. and those that think not having coin is what is stopping em..they are wrong.. i farmed most of my gear and made the adept 3's for myself.. or had a guildy make em.  almost all my gear is treasured... but thats my idea of my best gear. others would say go all MC and that is there idea of the best gear.. either way its all obtainable.. i worked hard to get where in at and a lot of other people have too.. juat because some people ( for example a lvl 35 wearing island gear that gets beat by a grey conn pvp'er and shouts twink!!!) fail to upgrade there gear, they complain everyone is twinked and its ruining the game.</p><p>why is it so hard to equip a character?  i had many characters on all the pvp servers and it didnt take me long to build a character and equip em well, and it's the same as being new except i had knowledge about the game, but i had no coin.</p><p>so why are well geared people ruining the game? i think it would be the ones that havent geared their characters that are ruining the game, as they are the ones that seem to complain the most.. and complain about something that anyone can do, but they lack the inititative to do.</p>

Mwahaha
01-04-2008, 11:59 AM
<p>A twink <i>as I know it</i> is a term that came from Everquest which means a player that has gear meant for higher levels, for example a level 20 shadowknight wearing a level 80 shield.  In EQ2 terms this would mean a level 20 shadowknight that has the full RoK set.</p><p>Twinking in EQ2 is nothing more than getting the best gear/spells/CAs for your level.</p>

Bloodfa
01-04-2008, 12:29 PM
Um, well, there are twinks in the game, mostly from higher tiered mains supporting them (purchasing full fabled gear & adorns, Master I's, etc.).  But twinks in-game now are manageable.  Four or five months ago, they were not.  Now, they will have to regear as they level, and griefing or stalking somebody at the low-end of the food chain is no longer worth it.  So the twinks have been somewhat neutralized or at least marginalized.  They're still going to be tougher than those that are ungeared, but the lopsided low-end twink scenario is not what it used to be.  After someone's in mid-T3, they ain't twinked, they're just well geared.  So I agree and disagree. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  If somebody gets to their mid-twenties on a toon without having figured something is amiss with their level 10 gear, and taken steps to rectify the situation, then it really <i>is</i> their own fault for not finding out why Player X is so much better at Action Y.  But then these are just my thoughts on the subject.

Expres
01-04-2008, 02:25 PM
To me the fact that there are "twinks" isn't the problem.  The problem IMO is that there is such a disparity between the two ends of the spectrum of gear that it borders on ridiculous.The PvE gear based mentality of this game will always be an issue I know, but to me that will always be what keeps this PvP rule set "broken" and only moderately fun.  That and the stupidity (sorry, I did try to think of a word that would work better) of the In Combat vs Out of Combat game mechanics.  This game is barely Player vs Player at all.  It is all about Player vs. IC/OOC Game Mechanics.EoF was the nail on the coffin with its introduction of incredibly ridiculous run speeds turning a game that was moderately about running into a full blown marathon.The entire PvP rule set needs a complete revamp.  I can't even count the number of people who have either gone back to PvE, to another game, or have stayed on the PvP servers but only PvE.So really, twinks are the least of the problems.

Sunderban
01-04-2008, 02:45 PM
<cite>karnath wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>what is a twink?  </p><p>a twink is a char that has obtained gear that most people cant... </p><p>most people call others twinks just because they have gotten the best gear for there lvl .... ( but what  the best gear for one person is not the best for another). </p><p>is it not the basics of the game to get the best gear u can.? does it not improve your char to have decent gear? and is this not used on all servers pvp or pve?</p><p>i have a few chars that are well equiped. and its not hard to do.. esp at lower lvls where rares are aboundant and cheap... i have not done anything that anyone else cant do.. and those that think not having coin is what is stopping em..they are wrong.. i farmed most of my gear and made the adept 3's for myself.. or had a guildy make em.  almost all my gear is treasured... but thats my idea of my best gear. others would say go all MC and that is there idea of the best gear.. either way its all obtainable.. i worked hard to get where in at and a lot of other people have too.. juat because some people ( for example a lvl 35 wearing island gear that gets beat by a grey conn pvp'er and shouts twink!!!) fail to upgrade there gear, they complain everyone is twinked and its ruining the game.</p><p>why is it so hard to equip a character?  i had many characters on all the pvp servers and it didnt take me long to build a character and equip em well, and it's the same as being new except i had knowledge about the game, but i had no coin.</p><p>so why are well geared people ruining the game? i think it would be the ones that havent geared their characters that are ruining the game, as they are the ones that seem to complain the most.. and complain about something that anyone can do, but they lack the inititative to do.</p></blockquote><p>i hate to get all deep and complex on a game forum but people should read this twice and try to come to grips with it. a very wise statement if you think about it. </p><p>the majority of people are not willing to work hard in life and of course it is the same mentality that permeates  gaming. for some unknown reason many of us fail to realize or accept that the rewards in life are almost always the result of ALOT of hard work and many are simply not willing to put forth the effort but instead prefer to complain endlessly that we are some unfortunate victim of something instead. </p><p>and sadly in our ignorant selfishness we prefer to point the finger at the guy that acheived what we want but were to lazy to work for and label him a cheater/rich [Removed for Content] whatever.....you get the point.</p><p>/mind boggles</p>

Sightless
01-04-2008, 04:45 PM
I have three twinked out characters, and I'm not afraid to admit it. I find no one of challenge unless they too, are twinked like me.

Sightless
01-04-2008, 04:46 PM
<cite>Sunderban wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>karnath wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>what is a twink?  </p><p>a twink is a char that has obtained gear that most people cant... </p><p>most people call others twinks just because they have gotten the best gear for there lvl .... ( but what  the best gear for one person is not the best for another). </p><p>is it not the basics of the game to get the best gear u can.? does it not improve your char to have decent gear? and is this not used on all servers pvp or pve?</p><p>i have a few chars that are well equiped. and its not hard to do.. esp at lower lvls where rares are aboundant and cheap... i have not done anything that anyone else cant do.. and those that think not having coin is what is stopping em..they are wrong.. i farmed most of my gear and made the adept 3's for myself.. or had a guildy make em.  almost all my gear is treasured... but thats my idea of my best gear. others would say go all MC and that is there idea of the best gear.. either way its all obtainable.. i worked hard to get where in at and a lot of other people have too.. juat because some people ( for example a lvl 35 wearing island gear that gets beat by a grey conn pvp'er and shouts twink!!!) fail to upgrade there gear, they complain everyone is twinked and its ruining the game.</p><p>why is it so hard to equip a character?  i had many characters on all the pvp servers and it didnt take me long to build a character and equip em well, and it's the same as being new except i had knowledge about the game, but i had no coin.</p><p>so why are well geared people ruining the game? i think it would be the ones that havent geared their characters that are ruining the game, as they are the ones that seem to complain the most.. and complain about something that anyone can do, but they lack the inititative to do.</p></blockquote><p>i hate to get all deep and complex on a game forum but people should read this twice and try to come to grips with it. a very wise statement if you think about it. </p><p>the majority of people are not willing to work hard in life and of course it is the same mentality that permeates  gaming. for some unknown reason many of us fail to realize or accept that the rewards in life are almost always the result of ALOT of hard work and many are simply not willing to put forth the effort but instead prefer to complain endlessly that we are some unfortunate victim of something instead. </p><p>and sadly in our ignorant selfishness we prefer to point the finger at the guy that acheived what we want but were to lazy to work for and label him a cheater/rich [I cannot control my vocabulary] whatever.....you get the point.</p><p>/mind boggles</p></blockquote><p>lol.. You're kidding right?</p><p>I work, clean house, have four kids I have to take care of. But I have a level 75 Ranger who feeds my lower levels and I have three twinked out characters. It took me the sum of one, or two nights to twink them to the point they had very few equals. You guys are kidding yourselves when you say it's hard earned.</p>

Bloodfa
01-04-2008, 05:26 PM
<p>Actually, as a homemaker, you are putting in quite a lot of work.  Hard work.  I've got one child, I can't imagine four.  Chances are, you put the effort in and you'll have children that make you proud.  Take a neglectful, lazy parent from the same neighborhood with a troubled child.  They look at your children and call them spoiled, railing that it's not fair that their kids are going to have to compete with your kids for jobs in the future, that's essentially the same situation being described.  You put the effort in on your main, so that your twinks can reap the benefits.  See the similarities?  And yes, I know, it's a game, not real life. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  </p><p>Just pointing out that before it was very unbalanced.  Now, it's less so.  A new player to the server won't run into Zerocool the Griefer every time he steps outside, because Zerocool isn't in any rush to level his twinked gear past the "highschool playground" into the "college park".  The newbie will have to either figure it out on his own or, if they're smart, seek some assistance, but it's a whole new world out there, relatively speaking.</p>

Sightless
01-04-2008, 06:06 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Actually, as a homemaker, you are putting in quite a lot of work.  Hard work.  I've got one child, I can't imagine four.  Chances are, you put the effort in and you'll have children that make you proud.  Take a neglectful, lazy parent from the same neighborhood with a troubled child.  They look at your children and call them spoiled, railing that it's not fair that their kids are going to have to compete with your kids for jobs in the future, that's essentially the same situation being described.  You put the effort in on your main, so that your twinks can reap the benefits.  See the similarities?  And yes, I know, it's a game, not real life. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />  </p><p>Just pointing out that before it was very unbalanced.  Now, it's less so.  A new player to the server won't run into Zerocool the Griefer every time he steps outside, because Zerocool isn't in any rush to level his twinked gear past the "highschool playground" into the "college park".  The newbie will have to either figure it out on his own or, if they're smart, seek some assistance, but it's a whole new world out there, relatively speaking.</p></blockquote><p>It's not bad now, not like it was. Mainly because those twinks who were in the god mode will not player their characters for fear they'll level. But it WAS bad. Some level 12-17 were pushing 300+ to 1 kill vs death ratios. At which point do you say; "This is boring killing new players", and move on?</p>

Bloodfa
01-04-2008, 06:18 PM
I've never understood that.  18 year olds in grammar school need to have a sit-down with somebody.

FinalOrder
01-04-2008, 07:49 PM
<p>Alot of the old school naming terms have evolved into mere insults with the ever changing mmo's over the past years. Twinking was once defined as a player equipping a low level toon with gear that they would not get by themselves or with others at similar levels through a higher level toon that the player has.</p><p>In EQ1, a player could gather gear by killing monsters or whatever on his higher level toon (example, level 70 necromancer), then give that equipment to his low level toon (example, level 4 monk). The monk now wears equipment that far exceeds his level, thus the equipment makes the monk much, much stronger than he would with equipment that was designed for his level. This was twinking, and occured because there were no caps or restrictions put in place (actually, later in the game, a restriction WAS put in place that slightly reduced the effectiveness of higher level equipment worn by lower level toons). </p><p>In EQ2, there are level restrictions for equipment. A low level character cannot equip a level 70 required item. In EQ2, in order to become powerful, you can only obtain the best QUALITY gear for your level RANGE. Once you obtain great gear and increase your spell and combart art levels, you are now a well geared player. That is the correct term... well geared. But most people just call them twinks because a number of reason. Mabye its easier to identify a well geared player by a simple term. Mabye they are complaining because they didnt put the time in. Mabye they are complaining because they dont have that gear / never will get the gear. Many reasons.</p><p>To the poster that said they have 4 kids and still equipped multiple alts with good gear in a few days, you didnt twink them out. You just geared them out. Did you use a higher level character to do it? Sure that may have helped, might have access to more cash through a multiple of ways, but the fact remains that your low level toons have gear within their level range that can be obtained by those same toons with effort of harvesting, crafting, grouping, raiding. Oh, and being a well geared player at the higher levels obviously takes a long time, not just 2 or 3 days, so being well geared in T1 may take a few days, but in T4, T6, ect ect, it takes a lot longer to gear your character.</p>

Sightless
01-04-2008, 07:57 PM
<cite>FinalOrder wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Alot of the old school naming terms have evolved into mere insults with the ever changing mmo's over the past years. Twinking was once defined as a player equipping a low level toon with gear that they would not get by themselves or with others at similar levels through a higher level toon that the player has.</p><p>In EQ1, a player could gather gear by killing monsters or whatever on his higher level toon (example, level 70 necromancer), then give that equipment to his low level toon (example, level 4 monk). The monk now wears equipment that far exceeds his level, thus the equipment makes the monk much, much stronger than he would with equipment that was designed for his level. This was twinking, and occured because there were no caps or restrictions put in place (actually, later in the game, a restriction WAS put in place that slightly reduced the effectiveness of higher level equipment worn by lower level toons). </p><p>In EQ2, there are level restrictions for equipment. A low level character cannot equip a level 70 required item. In EQ2, in order to become powerful, you can only obtain the best QUALITY gear for your level RANGE. Once you obtain great gear and increase your spell and combart art levels, you are now a well geared player. That is the correct term... well geared. But most people just call them twinks because a number of reason. Mabye its easier to identify a well geared player by a simple term. Mabye they are complaining because they didnt put the time in. Mabye they are complaining because they dont have that gear / never will get the gear. Many reasons.</p><p>To the poster that said they have 4 kids and still equipped multiple alts with good gear in a few days, you didnt twink them out. You just geared them out. Did you use a higher level character to do it? Sure that may have helped, might have access to more cash through a multiple of ways, but the fact remains that your low level toons have gear within their level range that can be obtained by those same toons with effort of harvesting, crafting, grouping, raiding. Oh, and being a well geared player at the higher levels obviously takes a long time, not just 2 or 3 days, so being well geared in T1 may take a few days, but in T4, T6, ect ect, it takes a lot longer to gear your character.</p></blockquote><p>It took one day to gear my level 60 Warlock. I also have six Master I spells in the bank for him from levels 62-67.. And may buy the rest just because I can.</p><p>Twink in EQ2 refers to people who can use a massive amount of money to gear their characters in very little time, usually a day, sometimes more. A non-twink would have to spend weeks, even months to acquire the same level of gear. There is a difference, and it is HUGE! There are different levels of twinks to. I could take your level 17ish character, mentor down, and take you around killing epic mobs that drop fabled gear that most dream about, and killing that mob is much, much easier on a mentored character than it is on a character of that level.</p><p>No, my twinked characters are not geared up, they're twinked out. Lets be real here.</p><p>P.S. It's going to take me 4 days to harvest my Warlocks rares for his spells and level 62 armor with my level 75 Ranger. A person who is leveling up could take a month to harvest those same rares because the game gives you a much better chance at rares the higher your level is, in regards to the tier you're leveling, not only that the mobs are all grey to my 75 Ranger.</p>

Shangu
01-04-2008, 10:04 PM
<p>the whiner exaggerations are funny....300 to 1 kvd.  you guys really think it's horrible for, as you all seem to hatefully put it, a "twink" to level?  what is so special about lvling?  is it the cryptonite of the twink?  there truely are no twinks...anyone could have the same gear etc as anyone else.  but you know what?  having the same gear is over rated....great amunition for the whiner but ever since server launch it was never vital to have the absolute best gear and all master CA's.  but you whiners need to try to make it look like there is such a disparity between the classes that the poor noob cannot possibly compete.. BS.  another thread has a 52 sk quitting.....good riddance....lvl 52 and still has no clue.  too lazy....yes it's the fault of the fabled twink.</p><p> play the game already.</p>

Spyderbite
01-04-2008, 10:13 PM
<cite>Expresso wrote:</cite><blockquote>I can't even count the number of people who have either gone back to PvE, to another game, or have stayed on the PvP servers but only PvE.</blockquote>I can. It was about 9. Stop dramatizing the situation.If you are that unhappy with the EQ2 PvP system (which yes.. does need some work) then you obviously haven't tried the others out there. And, if you have, and they are so much better. Then you'd be #10.

Sunderban
01-05-2008, 01:48 AM
<cite>Sightless wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sunderban wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>karnath wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>what is a twink?  </p><p>a twink is a char that has obtained gear that most people cant... </p><p>most people call others twinks just because they have gotten the best gear for there lvl .... ( but what  the best gear for one person is not the best for another). </p><p>is it not the basics of the game to get the best gear u can.? does it not improve your char to have decent gear? and is this not used on all servers pvp or pve?</p><p>i have a few chars that are well equiped. and its not hard to do.. esp at lower lvls where rares are aboundant and cheap... i have not done anything that anyone else cant do.. and those that think not having coin is what is stopping em..they are wrong.. i farmed most of my gear and made the adept 3's for myself.. or had a guildy make em.  almost all my gear is treasured... but thats my idea of my best gear. others would say go all MC and that is there idea of the best gear.. either way its all obtainable.. i worked hard to get where in at and a lot of other people have too.. juat because some people ( for example a lvl 35 wearing island gear that gets beat by a grey conn pvp'er and shouts twink!!!) fail to upgrade there gear, they complain everyone is twinked and its ruining the game.</p><p>why is it so hard to equip a character?  i had many characters on all the pvp servers and it didnt take me long to build a character and equip em well, and it's the same as being new except i had knowledge about the game, but i had no coin.</p><p>so why are well geared people ruining the game? i think it would be the ones that havent geared their characters that are ruining the game, as they are the ones that seem to complain the most.. and complain about something that anyone can do, but they lack the inititative to do.</p></blockquote><p>i hate to get all deep and complex on a game forum but people should read this twice and try to come to grips with it. a very wise statement if you think about it. </p><p>the majority of people are not willing to work hard in life and of course it is the same mentality that permeates  gaming. for some unknown reason many of us fail to realize or accept that the rewards in life are almost always the result of ALOT of hard work and many are simply not willing to put forth the effort but instead prefer to complain endlessly that we are some unfortunate victim of something instead. </p><p>and sadly in our ignorant selfishness we prefer to point the finger at the guy that acheived what we want but were to lazy to work for and label him a cheater/rich [I cannot control my vocabulary] whatever.....you get the point.</p><p>/mind boggles</p></blockquote><p>lol.. You're kidding right?</p><p>I work, clean house, have four kids I have to take care of. But I have a level 75 Ranger who feeds my lower levels and I have three twinked out characters. It took me the sum of one, or two nights to twink them to the point they had very few equals. You guys are kidding yourselves when you say it's hard earned.</p></blockquote><p>you think for the new player with no clue...no friends already playing or a lvl 75 whatever mailing plat to his newbie alt its easy?  i'm no saying its extrordinarilly hard to do, dont misinterpret what i said only that it requires effort and energy many are not willing to put forth to be at the top of the food chain. rather they tend to complain and point fingers instead.</p><p>iv'e pvp'd with some amazing players in other games and every single one of them would rock anybody's world simply because they spend alot of energy becoming and staying that good. </p>

Expres
01-05-2008, 03:24 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Expresso wrote:</cite><blockquote>I can't even count the number of people who have either gone back to PvE, to another game, or have stayed on the PvP servers but only PvE.</blockquote>I can. It was about 9. Stop dramatizing the situation.If you are that unhappy with the EQ2 PvP system (which yes.. does need some work) then you obviously haven't tried the others out there. And, if you have, and they are so much better. Then you'd be #10.</blockquote>I'm surprised.  Usually you toss out your "Quality over quantity" speech.No I haven't tried others.  EQ2 was my first MMORPG and my first PvP.  But I'm not comparing it to others.  I'm comparing it to itself.  In as many ways as it has been intentionally improved by the Devs (No Zoning in Combat, No OOC HEaling), it has been shown a huge lack of attention (9k hitting charmed pets, everyone and their grandmother with a 900000% speed buff).Currently playing on PvE with lots of people who used to also be on PvP.  I'm not one of the people who left PvP because they took away twinking or evaccing in combat.  I'm one of those that left because of the ever increasing ridiculousness of the game play; worthless fame system, worthless faction system, too much disparity between OOC and IC abilities, more incentive to run than to fight, extreme over abundance of "high powered" (used to avoid saying overpowered) classes, no solution for end game raiding other than going exile, etc...I'm far from #10.