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Bawang
12-17-2007, 06:32 PM
<p>I've done the level locking thing.  Many times.  In the end the idea of being limited to 1 or 2 zones where you could be PvP lost its allure for me.  So I gave up level locking and leveled up 2 toons to 70.  I was on one of best raiding guilds Freeport side which got me some fabled gear and we would PvP regularly @ level 70.</p><p>Then I stopped playing on PvP and went back to my Antonia Bayle toons.  Why did I stop PvP? The main reason was that there were simply not enough level 70 toons.  The vast majority of players on the server were on lower tiers and I felt this took away from my gaming experience.  One effect this has is you can count with the fingers of one hand how many good raiding guilds you can find (and you'd have some fingers left I'm sure).  </p><p>I guess what I'm trying to say is the game as it was setup didn't suit players like me who like both PvP and raiding.  That's why I find the recent changes intriguing and wonder whether, with players being forced to level  up as they PvP, this might change for the better and make me (and other players who feel like me) want to come back to PvP, or even better, start new toons with a fresh influx in population.</p><p>It's quite possible the harcore lockers will actually carry out their threat to quit PvP (let the dirges sing soulful laments of their parting).  What I'm suggesting is maybe SOE is counting on that but calculated their loss would be offset by net gain of players who join PvP because they like the changes.</p>

Zacarus
12-17-2007, 08:36 PM
Well I for one am glad your EQ2 PvP experience has been bettered.  That means a lot to me.

Radigazt
12-18-2007, 01:43 AM
<p>Honestly I was one of the original level-lockers on Nagafen, and I'm not too upset about the change really.  I locked to be able to find PvP and there simply was a lot more of it in T3 than anywhere else.  I like the idea of not having to grind a toon up to 80 just to PvP, because many of us simply do not have that amount of time to invest in preparing to PvP, and would much rather spend our precious time PvP'ing.  </p><p>But, I do think that the gank squads (of which I am guilty) have discouraged noobs from ever really adjusting to PvP servers, so our lifeline of new blood was being squeezed very thin.  As people move on from one game to another or just plain get bored, we need new blood to replace them.  While I dislike the idea of having to grind all those levels jut to PvP (I don't really enjoy the PvE side of the game nearly as much as the PvP side), I recognize the need for fostering new players.  </p><p>Additionally, level-locking snowballed PvP.  Because there was more PvP at the lower tiers more people just locked and PvP'd there.  This caused even more people to be in the lower tiers and eventually there simply wasn't much PvP to be found between about levels 30 and 60.  Either people locked or they went all the way, so we had two flavors of PvP, twinks locked at the lower tiers and raiders locked at 70.  Both groups horribly outgeared their opponents and most of them with high titles ran from fair fights, so it became gank the grinders, either do that in the lower tiers or the higher tiers, but it was the same thing.  </p><p>Now I anticipate 2 things will happen:  1) gank groups will fall apart as some people level faster than others, and 2) PvP will migrate to level 80 predominantly.  </p><p>1) Some people will join pickup groups to PvP and those kills will level them faster.  Scouts will solo when nobody else is on and level faster.  Tanks and Mages will probably fall behind level-wise and be forced to unlock or become the lowbie.  </p><p>2) People who have twinked toons will see themselves leveling up involuntarily, which will initially spread PvP throughout all the tiers.  Eventually so many people will be at level 80 PvP'ing that it'll be hard to find PvP in the other tiers and everyone else will want to level up to 80 just to PvP.  Some hardcore PvP'ers will be frustrated and give up, but I think most will migrate to 80.  Because the gank swads have fallen apart and those players are playing their higher level toons, the lower level PvP will be more even and more new players will decide to stay on and learn how to PvP ... and grow thicker skin about dying.  </p><p>I don't know that the changes will attract a different type of player, no.  But I do expect new players to stay on PvP servers more often than in the past, and I expect the lion's share of the PvP community to migrate to level 80 meaning less gankers in T2 and T3 and a lot more competition at level 80.  </p>

Spyderbite
12-18-2007, 01:57 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Honestly I was one of the original level-lockers on Nagafen, and I'm not too upset about the change really.  I locked to be able to find PvP and there simply was a lot more of it in T3 than anywhere else.  I like the idea of not having to grind a toon up to 80 just to PvP, because many of us simply do not have that amount of time to invest in preparing to PvP, and would much rather spend our precious time PvP'ing. </p></blockquote>I'm only quoting the first paragraph for space saving reasons but, I couldn't have said it better. Your thoughts on PvP going forward is exactly what I forsaw with this change going forward as well.Well written!

Sunderban
12-18-2007, 01:59 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Honestly I was one of the original level-lockers on Nagafen, and I'm not too upset about the change really.  I locked to be able to find PvP and there simply was a lot more of it in T3 than anywhere else.  I like the idea of not having to grind a toon up to 80 just to PvP, because many of us simply do not have that amount of time to invest in preparing to PvP, and would much rather spend our precious time PvP'ing.  </p><p>But, I do think that the gank squads (of which I am guilty) have discouraged noobs from ever really adjusting to PvP servers, so our lifeline of new blood was being squeezed very thin.  As people move on from one game to another or just plain get bored, we need new blood to replace them.  While I dislike the idea of having to grind all those levels jut to PvP (I don't really enjoy the PvE side of the game nearly as much as the PvP side), I recognize the need for fostering new players.  </p><p>Additionally, level-locking snowballed PvP.  Because there was more PvP at the lower tiers more people just locked and PvP'd there.  This caused even more people to be in the lower tiers and eventually there simply wasn't much PvP to be found between about levels 30 and 60.  Either people locked or they went all the way, so we had two flavors of PvP, twinks locked at the lower tiers and raiders locked at 70.  Both groups horribly outgeared their opponents and most of them with high titles ran from fair fights, so it became gank the grinders, either do that in the lower tiers or the higher tiers, but it was the same thing.  </p><p>Now I anticipate 2 things will happen:  1) gank groups will fall apart as some people level faster than others, and 2) PvP will migrate to level 80 predominantly.  </p><p>1) Some people will join pickup groups to PvP and those kills will level them faster.  Scouts will solo when nobody else is on and level faster.  Tanks and Mages will probably fall behind level-wise and be forced to unlock or become the lowbie.  </p><p>2) People who have twinked toons will see themselves leveling up involuntarily, which will initially spread PvP throughout all the tiers.  Eventually so many people will be at level 80 PvP'ing that it'll be hard to find PvP in the other tiers and everyone else will want to level up to 80 just to PvP.  Some hardcore PvP'ers will be frustrated and give up, but I think most will migrate to 80.  Because the gank swads have fallen apart and those players are playing their higher level toons, the lower level PvP will be more even and more new players will decide to stay on and learn how to PvP ... and grow thicker skin about dying.  </p><p>I don't know that the changes will attract a different type of player, no.  But I do expect new players to stay on PvP servers more often than in the past, and I expect the lion's share of the PvP community to migrate to level 80 meaning less gankers in T2 and T3 and a lot more competition at level 80.  </p></blockquote><p>i have to agree and say really well said. im new to this game and nagafen server. i admit i'm just coming to grips with everything im reading about these new changes but theres nothing more annoying or frustrating, thaan twinked out players that you know you have no chance in hell beating as a new, underequiped, inexperienced player. </p><p>if i know there are rules that somewhat level the playing field i know my experience as a new player will be fun because theres a chance i might actually win a fight every now and then. theres nothing more i think they could do to entice me as a new player to stay and stick around as i learn the ropes. the more i read the more  i think it was a good decision.</p><p>i have to say i'm kind of excited to hear the change and now all i want to do is go out and pvp.</p>

Spyderbite
12-18-2007, 02:01 AM
<cite>Sunderban wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>i have to say i'm kind of excited to hear the change and now all i want to do is go out and pvp.</p></blockquote>Slow down there, turbo.. take a break every now and then, and spend some time inviting all your friends to come over to the "dark side" and join you on the PvP servers. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Sunderban
12-18-2007, 02:06 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sunderban wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>i have to say i'm kind of excited to hear the change and now all i want to do is go out and pvp.</p></blockquote>Slow down there, turbo.. take a break every now and then, and spend some time inviting all your friends to come over to the "dark side" and join you on the PvP servers. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></blockquote>no time for that...too many dirty <strike>rebels </strike> err......sorry wrong game....quenosians to kill <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" /> 

Bawang
12-18-2007, 12:16 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well I for one am glad your EQ2 PvP experience has been bettered.  That means a lot to me.</blockquote>Ah, your warmth and caring is touching.  It's players like you who help erase the cliche of the PvPer as a cold hearted killer.