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caliburns
12-17-2007, 08:48 AM
<p>OK, iv'e been a wizard for awhile now, i'm quite good at pvp with him, but i want to know, class wise are warlocks better for high end pvp?</p><p>I hear all the time how much better warlocks become at pvp, more defence, better sustained damage and more pvp tricks.</p><p>My wizard is level 50, i'm thinking of betraying to become a warlock, but i need another point of view, from people that know both classes.</p><p>please i need help, are warlocks better?</p>

Wytie
12-17-2007, 11:01 AM
<cite>caliburns wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>OK, iv'e been a wizard for awhile now, i'm quite good at pvp with him, but i want to know, class wise are warlocks better for high end pvp?</p><p>I hear all the time how much better warlocks become at pvp, more defence, better sustained damage and more pvp tricks.</p><p>My wizard is level 50, i'm thinking of betraying to become a warlock, but i need another point of view, from people that know both classes.</p><p>please i need help, are warlocks better?</p></blockquote><p>Group pvp Warlocks better, solo pvp Wizzys better thats about it.</p><p>Just for reference if my wizzy went one vs one against a totaly even warlock wizzy wins hands down due to wizzys own on single target dps and we have lots of stuns ect.</p><p>hope that helps <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

Raidyen
12-17-2007, 01:09 PM
<cite>Wytie wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>caliburns wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>OK, iv'e been a wizard for awhile now, i'm quite good at pvp with him, but i want to know, class wise are warlocks better for high end pvp?</p><p>I hear all the time how much better warlocks become at pvp, more defence, better sustained damage and more pvp tricks.</p><p>My wizard is level 50, i'm thinking of betraying to become a warlock, but i need another point of view, from people that know both classes.</p><p>please i need help, are warlocks better?</p></blockquote><p>Group pvp Warlocks better, solo pvp Wizzys better thats about it.</p><p>Just for reference if my wizzy went one vs one against a totaly even warlock wizzy wins hands down due to wizzys own on single target dps and we have lots of stuns ect.</p><p>hope that helps <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote><p>I disagree that a Wizard wins hands down vs a Warlock 1 vs 1.  The warlock pops a stun immune potion and focus casting, a wizard is toast.  There is some things a wizard can do to counter that, but it takes some thinking and a little luck.</p><p>Other then that, these 2 classes are probably the most even classes in the game.  at level 54, my warlock friend and i are constantly battling on the parser.  It's virtually even every fight.  He wins some i win some, all depends on the situation.  We both have excellent defensive abilities for staying power in a fight, and we both have ways to get away if need be.</p>

Wytie
12-17-2007, 01:51 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wytie wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>caliburns wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>OK, iv'e been a wizard for awhile now, i'm quite good at pvp with him, but i want to know, class wise are warlocks better for high end pvp?</p><p>I hear all the time how much better warlocks become at pvp, more defence, better sustained damage and more pvp tricks.</p><p>My wizard is level 50, i'm thinking of betraying to become a warlock, but i need another point of view, from people that know both classes.</p><p>please i need help, are warlocks better?</p></blockquote><p>Group pvp Warlocks better, solo pvp Wizzys better thats about it.</p><p>Just for reference if my wizzy went one vs one against a totaly even warlock wizzy wins hands down due to wizzys own on single target dps and we have lots of stuns ect.</p><p>hope that helps <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote><p>I disagree that a Wizard wins hands down vs a Warlock 1 vs 1.  The warlock pops a stun immune potion and focus casting, a wizard is toast.  There is some things a wizard can do to counter that, but it takes some thinking and a little luck.</p><p>Other then that, these 2 classes are probably the most even classes in the game.  at level 54, my warlock friend and i are constantly battling on the parser.  It's virtually even every fight.  He wins some i win some, all depends on the situation.  We both have excellent defensive abilities for staying power in a fight, and we both have ways to get away if need be.</p></blockquote><p>you can pop those imunitys all you want along with focus casting but one spell will you own you everytime "Storming Tempest" its dot knockback, ice nova/ice bolt also has a knockback, fission/fussion has a knock back see the pattern here imunity to stun wont help too much with these. </p><p>Now thats not to say i havent been ownd by a warlock before casue i have, key resist can own any mage but like I said before if all things are equal wizzy wins one vs one as he should our single target dps is much better, everyone knows that,    but a good timed mana shield when your null mail procs gives you a slight edge but that must be timed well to get off</p>

tequiero
12-17-2007, 02:19 PM
i have to agree with pail on this one Wizz > Warlock on a 1 v 1 hands down, but in group pvp warlock > wiz.

Dreamo
12-17-2007, 04:13 PM
<p>Well, I am not sure if a wizard can beat a warlock in 1v1 or vice versa. But I know that in pvp versus other classes warlocks are way way better. Here is why they are better than wizards:</p><p>1. Focused casting - 12 seconds immunity to interrupts. It gives you immunity to interrupts which come as procs from autoattacks (though you can still be interrupted from a knockback or a CA with interrupt no... but no passive interrupts from autoattacks). Wizards do not have this skill. Thus they can be easily screwed by scouts hitting on them.</p><p>2. Teleport. Which teleports warlocks target to a random location within 15 meters and clears target. Wizards have no way to push back their attackers except for rooting and trying to escape.</p><p>3. Root with fear proc. So after warlocks root expires there is a chance that your target will be feared. A very handy thing in pvp.</p><p>4. Very powerful dots. Thus it is very hard to run away from warlock with a dot which ticks for 500. You will die eventually anyways unless it's healed. On the opposite wizards' damage is direct for the most part. So people have more chances to run away from you.</p><p>In general warlocks are way more fearful opponents in pvp compared to wizards hands down.</p>

Bawang
12-17-2007, 05:41 PM
<p>When I was rolling my PvP sorcerer, I thought long and hard about whether he should be a wizzy or a warlock.  One spell decided it for me.  Evac.  There's nothing I hate more than to see a band of gankers approaching and feeling trapped.  </p><p>On a PvE server I'd go with warlock, but on PvP evac is just too convenient to pass up for me.</p>

Bauer
12-17-2007, 06:10 PM
[A quick forenote to say: Really impressed by this thread! Concise, informative answers with no trolling or insults thrown. Healthy discussion within our community the way it was meant to be. Kickass <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />]I'll agree with the fact that Wiz vs Lock should end with a dead Lock; Focus casting means far less when the Wiz mezzes after it's popped or merely runs out of range with the foresight to positioning prior to the fight. Furthermore, dazing a wizzy isn't going to do much compared with a stifle. Of course it'll all come down to the individuals on question.. but on paper.. you get me.However, 1v1 other classes the playing field is more even.. Focus casting is a beast if you can stop people fleeing from it and nullmail is a far better asset that frostmail when talking about manashield (as i think was mentioned). As far as null caress and surging tempest, I would say surging tempest wins personally. much longer effect and damage to boot, especially in these days where sorcerers don't get 1 shotted <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />In the end, your wizzie does have great potential, and there's nothing more satisfying than manaburning an epic =P So don't be afraid to stick with it!

Fluffypaws
12-26-2007, 04:01 PM
IMO u can't beat a good old fashioned wiz vs warlock fight, it's fair game often the wizzie wins but that still doesn't make it a close fight from time to time, it all depends on who resists what and who has to cast there manashield when, power don't really matter since the fights dont last too long lol

Sightless
12-26-2007, 04:33 PM
I've never lost to a Wizard 1 on 1, but that's because they always manadump on me and have no power to finish the fight. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> And my fast casting daze is much more powerful than their stifle. I can cure their stifle, they can't cure my daze.

Mr1Point5
12-26-2007, 05:47 PM
<p>As far as I can remember, the only caster my wizzy has ever lost to (1vs1) was a warden. I just wanted to see if I could beat a healer lol. He outlasted me, but not by much. Wizards own!</p>

Beagest
12-27-2007, 06:39 AM
<p>hi all =] some great discussion going on, i like </p><p> here is my  - lock vs wiz -  pvp experience. it all comes down to who gets the jump. if i get the jump, i'll open with focused casting and burn them so they are forced to pop manashield, then ill root and run it off, then turn and own. if wiz gets the jump on me i should lose. their single target dps owns ourse. pots are handy and it usually comes down to skill and luck.</p><p>thats my experience, bye bye guys <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

HerbertWalker
12-27-2007, 10:17 AM
<p>one word</p><p>Evac</p>

Amphibia
12-27-2007, 10:30 AM
<cite>caliburns wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>OK, iv'e been a wizard for awhile now, i'm quite good at pvp with him, but i want to know, class wise are warlocks better for high end pvp?</p><p>I hear all the time how much better warlocks become at pvp, more defence, better sustained damage and more pvp tricks.</p><p>My wizard is level 50, i'm thinking of betraying to become a warlock, but i need another point of view, from people that know both classes.</p><p>please i need help, are warlocks better?</p></blockquote>If you wanna run alone, stick with the wizard. Warlocks aren't shabby either, but wizards have better single target DPS and evac. For group PvP, warlocks are clearly more powerful. You will get a teleport, which is extremely useful to prevent people from getting away etc, but it's the warlocks AoE damage is what truly make them shine. No other class can destroy a group of other players like a warlock. People will love to group with you and your opponents will hate you. But both classes are very good, so good luck with whatever you end up with. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Necodem
12-27-2007, 11:14 AM
<cite>Sightless wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've never lost to a Wizard 1 on 1, but that's because they always manadump on me and have no power to finish the fight. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> And my fast casting daze is much more powerful than their stifle. I can cure their stifle, they can't cure my daze.</blockquote><p>Why should a wizzie cure a daze? lol ( daze = no autoattack )</p><p>A wiz using manaburn is a noob as in pve and pvp.</p><p>Wizard are great soloer, can easly kite and interupt target, but not as easy to play as a scout.</p><p>But Warlock are extremely powerfull, nullmail > frostmail, proc chance increase combined with all stoneskins proc items, huge ae dps, etc...</p>

Wytie
12-27-2007, 11:41 AM
<p>All in all it really comes down to who crits first or who gets resisted on there biggest hitters. Thats pretty much it.</p><p> Wanta here whats really fun? When my wizzy duo's with a warlock, bad things happen. Its possiably the most fun ever, nothing really stands a chance. Healers scream from the locks AOE while the wizzy spikes each one down, one at a time. </p><p>ahhh just thinking about it puts a smile on my face   <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>