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wellehad0
12-07-2007, 09:56 AM
<p>well since most of th epeopel complaining where lvl 70-80 peopel who wanted to force everybody to play at there lvl can you guys tell us what it is like...  </p><p> first can you tell us how great it is now that we wont use 4 buttens for combat.. does that mean we will get like 8 buttens...</p><p>i also guess that there is no more gnaking everybody fights fair at this lvl only 1vs1 fights i hope or atleast no ganking... </p><p>please give us more info on this type of PVP and tell us what is also differnt form PVP from all the other tiers</p>

Rattfa
12-07-2007, 10:04 AM
Unfortunately you'll probably quit the game before you reach that far.

Roald
12-07-2007, 10:20 AM
So far most of the fights i've had in T7 are 1v1's.

MaCloud1032
12-07-2007, 10:23 AM
<p>After you hit lv 50 or so the classes tend to ballance them selfs out.  You also see what sony has in mind for the classes.  In low levels there realy is no diffrence between some classes suck as brig/swash, gaurd/zerk, dirge/troub.  Yes they are diffrent but not to the extent that you see in lvs 50 plus.  You will see many classes that you normaly dont see locked where they become better as they level  You will also make full use of your EoF AA lines where you will get put your points in the higher level areas.</p><p>Remember sony balances for end game levels 50+ where you might be able to tear a part a certian class now you might not be able to do it in higher levels.  Wardens come to mind.  Low tear you either kill them or you dont in T8 i truely coems down to playerskill for many fights.</p>

ckl
12-07-2007, 10:35 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Unfortunately I won't be able to grey gank you repeatedly because you'll probably quit the game before you reach that far.</blockquote>Fixed

Wytie
12-07-2007, 10:50 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>well since most of th epeopel complaining where lvl 70-80 peopel who wanted to force everybody to play at there lvl can you guys tell us what it is like...  </p><p> first can you tell us how great it is now that we wont use 4 buttens for combat.. does that mean we will get like 8 buttens...</p><p>i also guess that there is no more gnaking everybody fights fair at this lvl only 1vs1 fights i hope or atleast no ganking... </p><p>please give us more info on this type of PVP and tell us what is also differnt form PVP from all the other tiers</p></blockquote><p>Well the pvp is about exactly the same but the people are 10x smarter. There arent level ranges so its survival of the fittest.  Lots more people evac but no body hugs a freakn guard cause there arent any.</p><p>Solo pvp is safer and a bit more fair but thats my opinion, you still have gank groups but most are looking for a fight than a fame gank , tokens actually mean something. Bot arent very good runners and will fight you exp if tehy have numbers on you and is actually a challenge from time to time.</p>

Amphibia
12-07-2007, 11:02 AM
<cite>cklab wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Unfortunately I won't be able to grey gank you repeatedly because you'll probably quit the game before you reach that far.</blockquote>Fixed</blockquote>You have be at least green con to be worth something to the opposite faction in T8. Very few are gonna go out of their way just to kill a grey.

toenukl
12-07-2007, 12:12 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>well since most of th epeopel complaining where lvl 70-80 peopel who wanted to force everybody to play at there lvl can you guys tell us what it is like... </p><p><span style="color: #0000cc;">Not us forcing you as much as SOE forcing you. It's obvious they intend people to level up in their game, hence they keep adding levels </span><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> </p><p> first can you tell us how great it is now that we wont use 4 buttens for combat.. does that mean we will get like 8 buttens...</p><p><span style="color: #0000cc;">I have 9 full hotbars, 7 visible at all times. You have way more potions and clickies to use in higher tiers too.</span></p><p>i also guess that there is no more gnaking everybody fights fair at this lvl only 1vs1 fights i hope or atleast no ganking...</p><p><span style="color: #0000cc;">Nope, lots of ganking, but also more solo PvP to be found, as well as bots. Bots are nice for free tokens heh.</span> </p><p>please give us more info on this type of PVP and tell us what is also differnt form PVP from all the other tiers</p><p><span style="color: #0000cc;">The only real difference is more tactics, more skills, more abilities, more gear to choose from. The more things you can do, the more tactics you can come up with. In t2, theres not really too many tactics to come up with. You hit the same combo of buttons every fight. Also, tokens get you fabled gear, armor in t7 and jewelery in t8.</span></p></blockquote>

Rattfa
12-07-2007, 12:43 PM
<cite>cklab wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Unfortunately I won't be able to grey gank you repeatedly because you'll probably quit the game before you reach that far.</blockquote>Fixed</blockquote>The only place where I could gank greys freely would be in TT/BS/BM and I havent been there since RoK came out.Your logic is flawed. Grats on being [Removed for Content].

ckl
12-07-2007, 12:54 PM
<cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>cklab wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Unfortunately I won't be able to grey gank you repeatedly because you'll probably quit the game before you reach that far.</blockquote>Fixed</blockquote>You have be at least green con to be worth something to the opposite faction in T8. Very few are gonna go out of their way just to kill a grey. </blockquote>[Removed for Content]. Back in January-February with XP debt was still in, I did a lot of exploring of unlimited zones for AA once I hit level 10. Probably was killed 10 times at least until I got all the discovery dings I could safely get to, and at one point even had a level 70 camping the rez tent spamming emotes on me.

Roald
12-07-2007, 01:18 PM
<cite>cklab wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>cklab wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Unfortunately I won't be able to grey gank you repeatedly because you'll probably quit the game before you reach that far.</blockquote>Fixed</blockquote>You have be at least green con to be worth something to the opposite faction in T8. Very few are gonna go out of their way just to kill a grey. </blockquote>[I cannot control my vocabulary]. Back in January-February with XP debt was still in, I did a lot of exploring of unlimited zones for AA once I hit level 10. Probably was killed 10 times at least until I got all the discovery dings I could safely get to, and at one point even had a level 70 camping the rez tent spamming emotes on me.</blockquote>Prbably because you were quite clearly a level-locker. If you were not level 10 running around getting disco I doubt they would grief you.

Ashr
12-07-2007, 01:21 PM
<cite>cklab wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>cklab wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Unfortunately I won't be able to grey gank you repeatedly because you'll probably quit the game before you reach that far.</blockquote>Fixed</blockquote>You have be at least green con to be worth something to the opposite faction in T8. Very few are gonna go out of their way just to kill a grey. </blockquote>[I cannot control my vocabulary]. Back in January-February with XP debt was still in, I did a lot of exploring of unlimited zones for AA once I hit level 10. Probably was killed 10 times at least until I got all the discovery dings I could safely get to, and at one point even had a level 70 camping the rez tent spamming emotes on me.</blockquote>In t7, faction mattered.  It doesn't matter in t8 anymore.

ckl
12-07-2007, 01:21 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>cklab wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>cklab wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Unfortunately I won't be able to grey gank you repeatedly because you'll probably quit the game before you reach that far.</blockquote>Fixed</blockquote>You have be at least green con to be worth something to the opposite faction in T8. Very few are gonna go out of their way just to kill a grey. </blockquote>[I cannot control my vocabulary]. Back in January-February with XP debt was still in, I did a lot of exploring of unlimited zones for AA once I hit level 10. Probably was killed 10 times at least until I got all the discovery dings I could safely get to, and at one point even had a level 70 camping the rez tent spamming emotes on me.</blockquote>Prbably because you were quite clearly a level-locker. If you were not level 10 running around getting disco I doubt they would grief you.</blockquote>So griefing's acceptable, but only in certain situations? It was on my dirge, by the way, trying to get the speed buff AA line as soon as possible. Guess what, he's not level locked. [Removed for Content].

Tatate
12-07-2007, 06:16 PM
By T7-T8 you will have a couple, if not more, hotbars filled with CAs and spells. Like someone previously said, the classes start to balance themselves out after level 50. Some classes, of course, still remain dominant over others. With so many different abilities, you have to learn which are best to use against certain classes. A lot more skill is involved. The number one thing though is that PvP in those tiers are so much more fun.

Bloodfa
12-07-2007, 06:34 PM
<p>Hmmmm, two full hotbars just for melee CA's and debuffs.  Yeah, that's like 8 buttons to mash ... <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />  </p><p>And if I see somebody from another faction that's grey to me in the zone, I will be playing lawn darts with him.  Same courtesy<i> </i>I expect when I try to run one of <i>my</i> lowbies through for the achievement.</p>

ckl
12-07-2007, 06:42 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hmmmm, two full hotbars just for melee CA's and debuffs.  Yeah, that's like 8 buttons to mash ... <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />  </p><p>And if I see somebody from another faction that's grey to me in the zone, I will be playing lawn darts with him.  Same courtesy<i> </i>I expect when I try to run one of <i>my</i> lowbies through for the achievement.</p></blockquote>The hypocrisy shines through.

Marcula
12-07-2007, 06:56 PM
<p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Puissant you sound like some seriously angry Half Elf.......hang in there Swashy, you can and will be just OK. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Or you can start another thread........that would be fun!</span></p>

Bloodfa
12-07-2007, 06:57 PM
<cite>cklab wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hmmmm, two full hotbars just for melee CA's and debuffs.  Yeah, that's like 8 buttons to mash ... <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />  </p><p>And if I see somebody from another faction that's grey to me in the zone, I will be playing lawn darts with him.  Same courtesy<i> </i>I expect when I try to run one of <i>my</i> lowbies through for the achievement.</p></blockquote>The hypocrisy shines through.</blockquote>Explain the hypocrisy.  I kill the other side.  They kill my side.  We all kill the Exiles.  If that's too much for you, Windows has a nice game of Solitary you could try.

ckl
12-07-2007, 07:00 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>cklab wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hmmmm, two full hotbars just for melee CA's and debuffs.  Yeah, that's like 8 buttons to mash ... <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />  </p><p>And if I see somebody from another faction that's grey to me in the zone, I will be playing lawn darts with him.  Same courtesy<i> </i>I expect when I try to run one of <i>my</i> lowbies through for the achievement.</p></blockquote>The hypocrisy shines through.</blockquote>Explain the hypocrisy.  I kill the other side.  They kill my side.  We all kill the Exiles.  If that's too much for you, Windows has a nice game of Solitary you could try.</blockquote><p>Oh, so by that justification, the twinks who grief newbies are doing their side a service, not only by killing players of the opposite faction but discouraging them from playing the server alltogether. Wouldn't less enemies be better?</p><p>This is exactly the reason I hate that most games have set factions, chosen by the developers. </p>

wellehad0
12-07-2007, 07:34 PM
<p>again most of th epost where flat out lies.. or atleast many post on this gorums must have been lies because you guys are down playing what really goes on in t7-t8 by reading the pvp forums and also the class forums there are many many post about gankers in t7-t8 that sit there and will camp you for tokens.... i have seen many groups of peopel in that lvl range running around and ganking solo players in less then 3 seconds.. also once you hit end game nothing else really maters you are done only thing is to do is hit your CA buttens over and over and that will get old fast due to you know that after PVP gets old its GAME OVER.... again peopel flat out lie about how many new players to the game yet the population is dying... so by waht some of you are saying is 50 new players are more important then a 1,000 old players who have been with you for years....</p><p>PVP in any MMO was never made in thinking everybody should be on the same lvl gear and toon wise.. the whole reason i played this game was it was the first MMO that did not force you to grind for months and months.. atleast WOW had battle grounds where you could go in there and fight and stay at that lvl till you are ready to moove on... now we dont even have that.. so what now if you jsut did PVP in t2 that would mean after 100kills your already in t3 with NO AA... there will be no point in PVP gear now that you cant even stay at one lvl and use it.. </p><p>why dont they just do everybody a favor and give people who cant handle PVP server a free transfer to another pvp server with carebear rules</p><p>uf they ever did that i bet you would find out how dead the carebear pvp server would be..</p>

pseudocide
12-07-2007, 08:04 PM
<p>this thread is a joke, all of the level lockers are mad because they will be on the low end of the totem pole.</p><p>get over it, just stay locked and you probably wont reach level 60 until another expansion comes out (win for you!)</p>

wellehad0
12-07-2007, 08:12 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>this thread is a joke, all of the level lockers are mad because they will be on the low end of the totem pole.</p><p>get over it, just stay locked and you probably wont reach level 60 until another expansion comes out (win for you!)</p></blockquote><p>i like what you jsut said ALL OF THE LVL LOCKERS.. hmmm we are everywhere in every tier and we out number non lvl lockers 10-1 noobs are almos tnowhere to be found on the PVP servers anymore.. yes there are toons that are noobs but that is only till they hit lvl 12.. heck even a toon that has a sugar dady intill lvl 12 your still hiting at a t1 pace.. so yes i think the lvl should be raised to 14 for PVP.. i have seen a few gankers who stayed at lvl 14 jsut to grief lvl 10's but its such a small number that it is not worth ticking off  the other 90% of the players in the game.. </p><p>simple solutions are rasie PVP lvl to 14 and raise zone lvls</p>

HerbertWalker
12-07-2007, 08:15 PM
<p>Why would a permanent T4-T5 level locker with maxxed out AA Masters/Fabled be mad about the coming change exactly?</p>

deepruntramp
12-07-2007, 08:16 PM
<cite>cklab wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Unfortunately I won't be able to grey gank you repeatedly because you'll probably quit the game before you reach that far.</blockquote>Fixed</blockquote>You sound really, really scared to level up into big boy PvP.

wellehad0
12-07-2007, 08:21 PM
<cite>deepruntramp wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>cklab wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Unfortunately I won't be able to grey gank you repeatedly because you'll probably quit the game before you reach that far.</blockquote>Fixed</blockquote>You sound really, really scared to level up into big boy PvP.</blockquote>realy big boy pvp is that what t7-t8 is.. last time i checked there was a huge balance issue with t7.. what some of you guys are wanting is a huge flood of peopel to rush to t7-t8 so that you have more targets to kill in 2 seconds flat... atleast in t2-t3 with the right gear any class can take any other class.. in t7-t8 cloth toons get the shaft and rangers and scouts own the day and all the gear in the world wont save you

HerbertWalker
12-07-2007, 08:23 PM
<p>Don't worry, there will be no huge rush into T8.</p><p>There is a seriously twinked out bunch in T4-T5 that knows the game, and this is where players who are not cut out for PvP will be culled.</p>

Marcula
12-07-2007, 08:41 PM
<p><span style="color: #00ccff;font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Honestly, imo the PvP in RoK is absolutely the best I have ever experienced! Its one of those things you kind of have to experience to know what I am talking about and the zones are very well done and free flowing also.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;font-family: Arial;">The best way to experience PvP (as it was meant) is to get your butt away from the docks and choke points, and get out into the world of Norath where the PvP is actually exciting and fun. Seriously....try it!</span></p>

Bloodfa
12-07-2007, 08:44 PM
<cite>cklab wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>cklab wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hmmmm, two full hotbars just for melee CA's and debuffs.  Yeah, that's like 8 buttons to mash ... <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />  </p><p>And if I see somebody from another faction that's grey to me in the zone, I will be playing lawn darts with him.  Same courtesy<i> </i>I expect when I try to run one of <i>my</i> lowbies through for the achievement.</p></blockquote>The hypocrisy shines through.</blockquote>Explain the hypocrisy.  I kill the other side.  They kill my side.  We all kill the Exiles.  If that's too much for you, Windows has a nice game of Solitary you could try.</blockquote><p>Oh, so by that justification, the twinks who grief newbies are doing their side a service, not only by killing players of the opposite faction but discouraging them from playing the server alltogether. Wouldn't less enemies be better?</p><p>This is exactly the reason I hate that most games have set factions, chosen by the developers. </p></blockquote>I'm not sure if you're trying to be obtuse or argumentative.  Either way, at my tier, I'm <i>not</i> griefing new players.  Nor am I killing some guy who just got his first toon to level 15.  If I run into a level 47 toon at the KP docks, he's trying to run and get a couple achievement dings.  He's fair game, knowing it's a free-for-all zone; a level 14 or 15 in Island gear shouldn't be.  Either way, since you'll be leaving the game anyway, (fair fight > lockers) I don't see why you're continuing the discussion. 

HerbertWalker
12-07-2007, 08:57 PM
<p>Though the PvP in T7 is different from T2, my lvl 70 guardian was griefed out of T7 over one year ago due to exactly the same effect that a level 15 noobie often gets griefed out of the game.    That was my experience in T7 pvp.</p>

Bloodfa
12-07-2007, 10:53 PM
Don't judge T8 on the same scale as T7.  The size of the zones, the lack of places to perch that others can't reach, no cliff-jumping into eternity, the ease of acquiring better gear with soloable quests, and NPC's that won't grey out from the top-levelled enemies ... it's like PvPing in Loping Plains.  But on a more even plane.  I didn't PvP much in KoS because it sucked.  Boring.  Raid waiting for raid.  Yawn.  Kylong Plains ... Fens ... the Jungle ... it's a whole different world up there.  People actually working together.  It's what PvP was meant to be.

silentpsycho
12-08-2007, 01:59 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>well since most of th epeopel complaining where lvl 70-80 peopel who wanted to force everybody to play at there lvl can you guys tell us what it is like...  </p><p> first can you tell us how great it is now that we wont use 4 buttens for combat.. does that mean we will get like 8 buttens...</p><p>i also guess that there is no more gnaking everybody fights fair at this lvl only 1vs1 fights i hope or atleast no ganking... </p><p>please give us more info on this type of PVP and tell us what is also differnt form PVP from all the other tiers</p></blockquote>T8 pvp is exactly like T2 pvp, except the class structure of the haves and have-nots are much more rigidly enforced... you can't buy your way into the type of gear you need to compete in T8 pvp no matter how much plat you have to spend.  There is no alternative; you have to put the time sink in to grind instance after instance and raid raid raid, for months (perhaps years) before you can be the one delivering the sub-second death to the greens trying deperately to complete a quest in KP or Fens (the new DLW).   And those who get to 80 first will be sitting there in their T8 raid gear or instance Legendary stuff, ready to knock the hell out of you as you try to catch up.  Other than that, its exactly the same - in fact, most of the same people are there, it seems.