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Lavenderboi
12-05-2007, 07:15 AM
<p><span style="font-size: large;color: #9900ff;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;">I'm at the point, that I need to make a decision concerning continuing to play on a PvP server. Like many players, I don't have a high level alt to provide me with fabled gear, master spells or a Warg. I'm basically a pauper trying to fit in with the filthy rich. Regardless of my skill, or lack thereof, I cannot seem to compensate for the VAST amount of mitigation and resists these players have. I'm sure there are players that can overcome this, but the overwhelming majority of the fully fabled players, that I look up on EQ2player, are most often the ones with the titles of Champion, Destroyer, Dreadnaught, etc. I've become fearful of engaging anyone with a title above slayer, for fear that I'm just giving them easy fame due to my incomparable MC gear, (which I harvested the rares for). Even a couple of gray con opponents, equipped in fabled gear, can own me completely. I love the thrill of pvp, but am getting frustrated by the growing fact that funds (dollars and plat), has become more of a necessity than skill. All this came about the other day when I got frustrated because I had to run for 1/2 hour, from a green con player in TS. I looked him up and based on his equipment, it would have been suicide to fight this "Destroyer". When I had immunity, I summoned my pet and told him exactly how many fabled items he was wearing. He /shrug and finally left me alone. I fully admit that PvE servers are MUCH more boring than PvP, but at least I wouldn't be constantly reminded of how ineffective I am, based mostly on my lack of funds. <u><b><i>Is there any light at the end of the tunnel or is this the new norm?</i></b></u> I've been playing EQ2 for many years and I expect to get flamed a bit for this thread. Flaming bothers me not, so take your best shot. Please pardon me for getting off my original topic, but it seem to me that there are generally 3 types of responders to threads. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly and I personally have been all three at some point.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sand;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #9900ff;"><b><i><u>The GOOD:</u></i></b> The kind, polite players, that try to be helpful and supportive, but for all their good intentions, they have few viable suggestions to impart. Regardless, the kindness is appreciated.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sand;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #9900ff;"><b><i><u>The BAD:</u></i></b> The bitter, unpleasant players, with low self esteem, who will try to make someone feel bad by saying things like "Move to a non-pvp server NOOB" or "Learn to play your class NOOB" or "Can I have your stuff when you leave NOOB" Sometimes, they say the things that truly need to be said, it's just that their delivery sucks.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sand;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #9900ff;"><b><i><u>The UGLY:</u></i></b> The players who are not kind nor mean but ARE informed, experienced and honest.... even if it hurts.</span></span></span></p>

Naglfar
12-05-2007, 07:32 AM
<p>Well I would say in T8 gear doesn't matter that much, and with RoK you can have a really good legendary gear with just quests or instance run.</p><p>So here's a free advice : unlock if you're locked, enjoy content, try to survive, group and have fun while leveling <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Zapo
12-05-2007, 07:47 AM
- Does "I summoned my pet" mean you play a summoner class (necro,conjurer) ? In that case there is no light for you at the end of the tunnel and if you are not too high in level I would suggest to reroll. See topic below for powerfull pvp classes.- Ignore titles. They don't mean anything. Don't care for your own title either. At least not that much that your title determines your actions.- Ignore the "Bad" guys. It is wasted time to think about them- don't run away for 30 minutes. If you can't escape fast it's more effective to fight him once and probably die. At least you can spend the next 28 minutes doing something else.- and of course gear matters. In any tier.

Wytie
12-05-2007, 11:28 AM
<p>To the OP,</p><p>Dude there is always someone who's is just flat out better geared than you, just like in life someone is always gona have a nicer car than you ect...  Does that mean your not gona drive because of it? No</p><p>If you dont want to fight them, then dont, but what if you could somehow take advantage of your environment too turn the odds back in your favor a bit.  I mean use the zone to your advantage if your higher level drag him threw a little bit of agro if he wants you that bad he'll have to follow you see my point.  Even in some cases you can use your class to help you with this with FD or stealth into agro so then the ball is in your court(some may find these tricks as lame but its no more lame than a twink owning a nontwink).</p><p>This game is alot deeper than one vs one even steven, useing all things around you is what separates the good pvp'r from the ok pvp'rs and the exceptional from the good...</p><p>Gear helps alot but those folks did what they had to to get it now out smart them to make them wish they had more, to me that's the real fun in pvp. not winning against even odds but winning when you shouldn't have had a chance....</p>

Bloodfa
12-05-2007, 01:44 PM
<p>If you're a summoner, expect to get beat on.  Hard.  You can gear up all you want, but you will be targeted as an easy kill for most of the time.  Try another class if you want better survivability, or, if you're unguilded, join one.  More information about your situation might help.  If you're level locked, as the above poster suggested, unlock and level out, but summoners face an uphill battle all the way.  That might explain why they're usually the ones calling for nerfs*.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I keed, I keeeeeed ...</p><p><span style="font-size: xx-small;">* not to imply you're calling for a nerf</span></p>

Spyderbite
12-05-2007, 02:13 PM
Titles mean absolutely nothing. You'll gain back the faction later on when you're dealing with more mature players which you're probably more evenly matched with. There will always be ganks who will roll over you no matter what. And, there will always be better equipped players as well. But, for personal prestige, you need not be concerned with losing to those. Let them do their thing, revive at a convenient place, and hope that your next encounter is more fair.You can turn the tables by grouping with others in your situation. Numbers do matter. And that one person who is fabled out is not going to have as much of an advantage against you if you have 3 or 4 friends beating on him at the same time. In fact.. its likely that the same person that rolled you earlier will run like a little girl at the site of a group of green cons targeting him/her because they don't want to lose their precious title. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Dreamo
12-05-2007, 04:24 PM
<p>I'll repeat what others said: if you are playing a summoner then this is the problem. The higher you level the weaker this class becomes. There is no balance in EQ2 pvp. Some classes have a tremendous advantage over other classes and summoners are at disadvantage currently. So just reroll some more viable class.</p><p>But I would say that T8 is the most democratic tier in this respect because it gives everyone the chance to get fully fabled (through the token system). There is always somebody who has suckier gear than yours or who sucks at pvp more than you do (well, in the very grim case there are always bots <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />).</p><p>Another thing is make sure you are playing your class correctly. Because pvp is not just numbers. It's skill as well. It very much depends on how well you time your crowd control effects. How well you are using the terrain. There are also a lot of those little things that can let you win even a better equiped opponent (vials, poisons, signets, belts, gear with stiffle or stun effects, miracles). A lot of these items are obtainable through questing. Make sure you understand their effects and know how to use them in pvp. The majority of people with high titles use some kind of tricks.</p>

Chaosfairie27
12-05-2007, 07:55 PM
I'm really not a huge pvp'er, but I love playing on a pvp server, just the thrill of it all.  What you are saying is not totally true.  I know quite a few people that are totally fabled out with master spells and they can't pvp for crap.  I've personally played this game for about 2 years now and maybe got a title for the first time about 3 weeks ago.  It does take time and skill and patience, not just nice gear and master spells.  Take your deaths, learn from your mistakes, learn from the enemies mistakes, and do it better the next time.

Zacarus
12-05-2007, 10:13 PM
OP,I have to push back a bit.You need to recalibrate your expectations.  You're crying that your m/c stuff isn't good enough.  Guess what?  You're right.  And guess what else?  Most tier 3 twinks have some m/c gear, it isn't too bad in tier 3.  But its usually fully adorned.  If your m/c gear isn't fully adorned, you need to haul your butt into the tradeskill instances, and grind for it.  And / or haul your butt to the zones and harvest.  Got alts?It takes homework to *win* in this pvp world.  That means right-clicking the champs and dreads and inspecting their stuff.  Then you write it down and find resources to learn how they got it.  Then you haul your butt back to the game and grind those quests.  You're in tier 3 now, you should have learned this stuff already.It just takes time.  If you want to win you have to invest your time.  I would bet most of those greys who are owning you have invested more time in this game than you -- they've earned your token.Not sure if this is a good, bad, or ugly post.  But since I'm a true-blooded Qeynosian (all good baby), I'm willing to help, just ping me in game.

Kyle
12-07-2007, 05:07 AM
Lavenderboi,I came to this server from PvE and WoW PvP before that to be shocked at how much itemization really matters. Feeling frustraited with level lockers I tried to rush to 70 as soon as possible. Big mistake. I had no aa, crap gear, mostly adept 1 CA/spells - it was a nightmare.I would recommend taking it slow. If you want to really enjoy the game form your own groups and visit every place for your range possible. I love mentoring people and going back to places like Splitpaw, Bloodlines, etc. I'm not going to lie the pvp is a real nightmare the first time around. After you hit 70 and max your tradeskill class and manage to get a healthy income your next toon will be much more enjoyable and effective in t2-t5 pvp. The pvp servers have some real hardcore and veteran players who are nothing but vicious when it comes to kills.Like you mentioned I also saw myself avoiding anyone with Slayer or higher. To be honest, despite what some earlier people say I would be cautious about picking fights until you become more geared (to the teeth with adorns, masters, etc) with these people as chances are they are decked out. This applies most to any T2 pvp, less so the higher level you go until T8.In the end this server is by far more enjoyable than the standard pve servers. There is a lot more to offer and has better replay value. Stick with it and you'll really be having fun in the end. Just never let this game become a job - always keep it fun!Best of luck,Kyle

Tybr
12-07-2007, 06:03 AM
<p>Hmmm...I can understand your frustration. So I will throw your way what perspective I've got and perhaps some of it will fit. </p><p>It's all about perspective. </p><p>If you care about dying then every death is going to get under your skin and your going to have few options, and those options are buying plat or level locking to the point of silliness. Worst thing about those two options are, is it's an endless ratrace...there will always be better players with more skills, time, money and gear. It is what it is.</p><p>(Yea you could farm gear endlessly for coin but it's soooo boring!) </p><p>Or you can do what I do, </p><p>Find a few friends to run with and go kick the living [Removed for Content] out of those [Removed for Content]!</p>

Kneemin
12-07-2007, 12:41 PM
I'm gonna come at this saying that rather than lvling up past everyone thats probably one of the worst things you can do to yourself honestly.I suggest you do one of the following:A: Lock up (if your still relatively low lvl) and quest your @ss through the lvls.  It really doesn't take as long as most ppl think I can get a char to 20 in a few hours of questing in some of the newb zones and now there are sooo many lowbie quests the low stuff can take you up and a couple lvls into to T3.  -This method will bring you up into the late game (albeit alot slower than grinding) but it will also bring you into the late game prepared with enuf AA to contend in a few fights.ORB: Lock up yet again,  quest get a ton of AA and perma-lock at around 16/24/29/35 and pharm your poor [I cannot control my vocabulary] off so u can afford some gear and  THEN lvl up so you can contend in pvp while you lvl.  Again rumors have it this takes an unseen amount of time blah blah but no, locking up at 16-21ish (if your a freep) you can pharm lots and lots of T2 masters in ruins thru either the low T2 named or the high T2 named (easier, less ppl to fight over the mobs with).-This method will allow you to save up money and purchase gear/masters/adept 3s as you lvl up and keep you in contending pvp once your done with your pharming and have enuf gear to keep yourself in good standing (there are more places as you start to lvl to start pharming again if you run low on cash too FYI.ORYou can lock up and pvp (sounds like this > MIGHT < not be a viable option soon and hopefully that won't happen)  At first your gonna get rolled n' such but as you get used to pvp you will find that theres alot more to the "titled" pvp than just your gear and master spells.  I  know most of you flamers say its just a 2-button - gear game but really theres more skill than you think put into choosing the right kind of gear and which kind of AAs to take n' whatnot.-This method will allow you to start playing the pvp side early and you will also learn your class most effectively with this method because you will have less stuff to use and it makes getting used to fighting pvp alot easier when your deciding from 3-4 atks instead of 10.now, if you happen to be on evil side (naggy) (if your not i will kill you and im pretty sure one of my alts is able to ^.^) anyway....Looky me up - Kneemin Gallant of Nagafen - most feared T4 wizz alive!no seriously ok just like... hook up to T2 chat or something and ask if knee is online... if i am.. or if even one of my guildies is im sure you will get a response and i can help you out if need be.P.S.  If you do happen to be evil and wanna look me up <u>no</u> its <u>not inconvenient</u> to me.. I do it all the time to new pvp players its like a side-hobby of mine.EDIT: forgot something sorry-I saw a few ppl say something about grouping up so you can kill said fabled out doods..... this method works in some cases yes, but most it does not- do not be deceived.  90% of these titled bums will have their friend(s) around the corner and those who do not, are very capable of taking a full group by themselves.  I've done it before, i've seen it happen before it happens don't be deceived, but yes travelling en masse is a good idea.